As a victim of SA abuse at the hands of my bio dad who shared me and my little sister w/ MANY friends for years- I stand by and support these two men♥️♥️♥️
Wow I’m so sorry that happened to you, i pray that God removes all of those horrible memories from your mind. No child should ever go through this but unfortunately satan is very real and his biggest offense toward God is harming children who God loves so very much. My heart goes out to you
Sorry if i met your dad I would smash him in the face... I'm so sorry that the very ppl that should protect you and take a Bullet to save you wd do this x😊
I had a coworker many years ago, she told me that her step father sexually abused her from the time she was a little girl. And that her mother knew about it and did nothing to help her. I was sick to my stomach when she told me that. Those type of parents are the Real Monsters!
Me too always believed them b/c it’s a pretty embarrassing thing to admit/claim. You can wait for money but not for the abuse to stop. I can’t wait to see them freed!
“People can’t imagine a father doing this with his son.” Indeed. I’d even add that people also can’t imagine what it’s like to be raised in a home that enabled such a thing. This wasn’t just a sexual abuse case, it was a mental abuse case carried by a father that literally everyone that came into contact with was terrified of. The mother enabled it. From experience, not only does the SA mess with your mind, the fact that the Mom allowed it might be the hardest part to get over. It shifts your understanding of reality, love, and trust.
My son is adopted.. I got him at 11 yrs old.. his dad raped him on the regular and his birth mom knew it was happening.. fast forward, he is 30 yrs old now and a productive happy human being. I acknowledged what happened to him, we talked it through for years but I never let him feel sorry for himself, I wasn't going to watch him become one big pity party.. the dad got 25 yrs, but only after SA 3 other members of the same family and the state took the parental rights away from him...
Ummmm! That menudo guy stayed silent for 30 year’s! He probably needed money , now ! He got paid for this , obviously! Those Mendez brothers partying and spending thousands of dollars in the days after they murdered their parents! Why !? Did the kill their mom !? For the inheritance, duh
It seems like it is not easy to get any fairly Trial today how come. Is it not given more fear if not knowing if it’s the right behind bar or if a murder is out there? Evidence not enough or?!
I know a man in his 50s who has been single and alone all of his life, because of the sexual abuse he suffered from his own father. He is so mentally tortured that he can not move on.
Completely awful. I've had partners who finally confessed to me about their trauma. It was so impossible to have a healthy relationship with them after years of trying because of their trauma. They were so emotionally fraught and volatile and I couldn't deal after a good long try. I do sincerely hope they are doing better and not alone :(. I HATE what their abuser did to their sweet soul.
This is the saddest failure in justice for these victims. They told their story and no one believed them. Now someone somewhat famous comes forward and it’s deemed worthy? Disgusting.
A lot of people believed them at the time, and a lot of people still do. The first trial resulted in a mistrial because the jurors could not agree to convict or to acquit. During the second trial, the judge limited the evidence that the defense could admit, which allowed the state to minimize the allegations of abuse, and they were ultimately successfully convicted. Many people were shocked by this, as their testimonies of abuse were captivating and moving.
Actually that's a bit unfair to say, because their cousin had the letter and unfortunately he passed away in 2003. So his stuff was sort was put away and that's they didn't have the letters before
@@珊小妮33 I watched Menendez+Menudo documentary. No mention that their cousin passed away 2003. Still, He held on to the letter then for 15 years? While the brothers remain in prison. It's flabbergasting that the cousin and Roy from Menudo, the other rape victim, did not come forward sooner. It's been 33 years ! The brothers need justice.
I watched a documentary about the horrific abuse they went through and there were actual witnesses in the house when one of the boys was screaming while being brutally raped by his dad. I don't know where all those witnesses were when the trial was going on. I pray they overturn their sentence, they've been literally tortured long enough.
Their cousin testified in their favor. But this case is deep and complex. It’s crazy to find out all the details of what happened and who was involved. Thank goodness Roy is finally ready to speak up.
To those who are pointing out that the brothers were of legal age to move out of the home: any type of abuse includes a type of mind control where the abuser convinces the victim they would never survive without them. If these brothers were abused from a young age to their legal adulthood, it absolutely makes sense to me why they’d still be in the home with great reluctance to leave. It’s the same concept of saying, “why don’t they just leave?” regarding an abused spouse. I am all for a second trial, or release based on time served.
Anyone in their right mind knows that if you murder someone for whatever reason besides self defense, you're found guilty in a court of law, it's life in prison. You don't get off for time served or the circumstances of abuse. It's like putting guns and knives in the hands of victims and its ok if you brutally murder them? It's not ok. You contact authorities, your family members, adult friends, clergy, your Dr, your neighbor, anyone who would listen. The back story to the brothers behavior prior to the murders is telling. They should serve out their sentences for what they were found guilty in the court of law for, the same as anyone else who chose to weapon up and blow away an abuser. Regardless of "the times", it's immoral and illegal to take someone else's life if not defending your own.
I remember this case when i was a kid. The media circus, the natrative they were pushing, making fun of these 2 "spoiled kids." I rewatched about this case a couple years ago and i was surprised to find myself believing the brothers
I was saying the same thing. I was young when this all happened, and from the media, that told us about it. I never got this impression that it was this bad, as an adult. This is disgusting, and they should’ve never went to jail. This father did the unspeakable to his children, and their mom.. just sat back and did nothing. I know all too well how that feels. Although, I didn’t suffer this bad, it was still bad for me. And I just hope they can get out.
I agree. They were punished by the media and courts on top of their horrific abuse growing up. I remember the media making this seem it was about the money.
I joined Jose Menendez's company, LIVE Home Video, several months after he was murdered. Everyone spoke about how impressive yet intimidating he was, my boss herself telling me how much she hated him and had immediately suspected the boys were involved in the murders as she believed they were abused children. I remember her saying that she was sorry how Jose Menedez died but was nevertheless very happy that he was gone.
Politicians. They are voted into those robes. Give them a robe….everyone thought they were Gods, back then. They’re nothing more than lawyers who brown nosed enough to be voted.
I remember this case and i remember thinking something is definitely very wrong here and the two brothers seemed genuinely abused. So sad this happened to them... their lives were pretty much stolen away from them twice. Their parents stole the first half of their lives and the justice system stole the second half.
I agree. A year ago I'd read about the new evidence in this case. Before that, I just went with the official narrative that the brothers m urdered for money. I had not heard otherwise. I completely believe the boys were molested and abused. I think they should be released and receive the inheritance from their monster father and enabler mother, too. They should have only served a maximum of 12 years. They've had their entire life stolen from them. If I lived closer I would go visit them in prison. So sad.
I always asked myself why no one of the "Menudos" members never said something about it. Roy lives in Brazil today and he said something about it many, many years ago. He said that other members of Menudos were also abused by him.
@dgabster7953 they may be jealous of the boys get everything. And also I think their relatives not live in usa . Dad said one time his father sent him to usa by bus not giving any money.
It always seemed that the court and lawyers were more upset about how those boys spent their daddys money than wanting to hear about what their daddy actually did to them.
I remember this case when I was about 15 yo. I remember seeing them testify and watched the tears form in their eyes, describing such a shameful account of their lives, that they were not responsible for, but that their own disturbed father was. I love that they have found joy, in the midst of decades of incarceration. I truly hope the case is retried and justice prevails 😓🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@lolalovesme2987 I don’t think it was one sided. I couldn’t make up my mind. It seems he did it the 2nd time but he had already been railroad by law enforcement the 1st time, why wouldn’t they do it again.
Documentaries are opinion pieces crafted to make you feel one way or the other. They are not 100% truthful. It’s one side. They are murderers and belong in prison.
@@mweber5459 , That's exactly my thoughts. Absolutely no reason for those grown adults to keep living with "abusive" parents, especially if it was bad enough to brutally murder them. Move the heck out, report it to the police, file a civil lawsuit. Not to mention every story has 2 sides and dead people can't defend themselves against unsubstantiated allegations.
No , it’s horrible what these kids did to their parents!! They were so happy after the murders, the brothers spent a lot of money and were partying !! Why !? Kill mom !?
STILL.... THEY COMMITTED MURDER, THEY MURDERED THEIR MOTHER TOO SO,,, NO ONE SHOULD GET AWAY WITH MURDER. PERIOD THEY HAD OTHER CHOICES THAT THEY COULD HAVE MADE.. THEY NEED TO STAY IN JAIL.
@@unoimright5153how easy to just stand with the abusive elders. And be convinced that their victims should have pretend to grieve the atrocious parents when they had been craving for freedom and safety from the very beginning of their lives. At least, these two young brothers saved other kids from their psychopathic father. You could have been one of these kids. And this man could have ending murdering his family as well. You POV is quite narrow minded : what would have happened if these degenerate parents were still alive, knowing how dangerous the father was ?
@@Souxie123The Mendez Bros, story has changed many times , but you believe them !? Lmfao ! Narrow minded and gullible ! The jury didn’t buy it but but but you just know that these two convicted murderer’s are telling the truth !! You haven’t even seen the evidence against these brothers, you haven’t watched the trials but but but you just know that the Mendez Bros wouldn’t lie ! These Bros. spent 700,000 in the months after they murdered their parents! Because, they were so sad and traumatized! Get out of here, FACTS OVER FEELINGS
@@studiosinger It also does not even make sense, because if the dad is abusing you, what reason is there for killing the mom? Oh they say she must have known, but in what world does her knowing mean they get a pass for murdering her? It is clear why they killed the mom, because if the dad dies she gets all the money, but if she dies too, then they get the money. They killed for money, and nothing else. People are just dumb to believe they were abused. Also, if he had been telling his cousin about the abuse, then how come the cousin never said anything about it? Then they mysteriously find an old letter, that I think we all know is not an old letter. Ink has changed in the past 30 years, and I bet if they test the ink it has chemicals init that did not exist in ink 30 years ago. No doubt in my mind if they win a new trial, the thing that will ruin their case is the ink in that letter. Yes the state will test the ink if they have to try the case again, and then their case falls apart.
@@studiosinger Do you remember how old they were when the murders happened, the kids. I was wondering why they didn't move out. I don't know the whole story I was young when this happened.
Las victimas siempre fueron esos pobres muchachos reaccionaron asi artos de vivir tantas barbaridades por parte de esos padres cochinos monstruos ojala se aga justicia y para Roy tambien esos violadores tienen que pagar
I'm ashamed to say I believed the media back then but now...I can see that not only did they free themselves from the abuse but they are actually heroic for standing up in court to talk about the abuse at a time when Nobody would of such things in their families. Times are different now and people are speaking truth to power and believing victims more, society failed them by not believing them. There father was a powerful man and nobody would have second guessed him sadly. I hope they are freed because they deserve it😭
@@ashleydaniel3215 your reaction wasn’t something to be ashamed of. Especially back then it was almost unheard of that boys suffered in this way. I think you being honest is a good thing.
Bs, I was abused for 18 years, I didn't murder anyone. My sister was abused for 15 years until I had my own place and moved her in to get her away, she hasn't murdered anyone. Murder is not the answer.
The fact all the evidence and witnesses that proved the abuse happened was not admitted on the second trial was a total breach of the brothers rights to a fair trial. Shame on that judge and prosecutor. Free them!
Agreed! It's time for the masses to understand the psychological and emotional trauma that is caused by such egregious and long-term sexual abuse of children, particularly by a family member.
@@schoomzer Yes, it literally fractures somone's soul. They killed them in self defense, being threatened with sexual assault is just as criminal as being threatened with death. People askobg if the father "threatened to kill them" as if that was the only action that warranted a life threatening measures need to wake up.
They probably were so embarrassed to say what they were going through. Sad that they decided to do such a horrible thing to their parents, but even more horrible that a person that’s expected to protect them would hurt them as well as other’s in such a horrible manner.
We have this idea in our society that parents just naturally love their kids but then smth like this happens and it's not too uncommon, and people's bubbles get burst.
As a rule children live in fear of their molester’s. And as far as the boy band member goes, he probably was afraid of ruining his reputation. Not that he would be blamed but victim’s become ashamed.
Also had the boys reported it and not killed their parents and if the parents were charged with rape etc the amount of time they would have received would be less than 10 years!! These men have been in there for 30 years because of murder. It’s sad that rape charges don’t get more time in prison.
I don't think they killed him out of anger. They killed him because they were terrified of him! They killed him in self defense. This letter proves it!!
@@yourkeysre being locked up in a closet sounds awful but not quite the same as being raped by your father hundreds of times while your mother allowed it...rape fractures people's souls to a different degree.
If it’s in self defense that’s different. But legally you can’t kill someone without serving jail time. But I do feel like these guys probably served enough time.
@@dianazhora7357 Exactly and you know what, they were spoiled brats too and of course they liked the money. But Lyle would have had a bright future ahead of him, probably in politics and as a business owner. No doubt about that. He had zero motive involving money. The only motive left was this. I feel that they basically put Kitty out of her misery. Since they were their parents and they had no choice but to love them instinctively, they will regret their choice every day. Especially Erik, since their mother hated him less. And who would have believed them back then? Besides that it would have been economic suicide to ruin their fathers career, the shame was too big. It would be the same if Barron Trump would go to the police saying he was raped by Donald Trump. People would think it must be a weird anger issues of a spoiled brat.
When you see what they are trying to normalize in our society today, it makes me wonder if they knew they were innocent the whole time. They wanted to make what happened to them normal and make defending themselves the crime. Is that not what's happening today in society? They've been perpetuating and indoctrinating society in a very deceptive way for eons! Just more proof of it right here. 3 decades later and we clearly see that Jeffery Epstein, Royalty, politicians, heads of state and celebrities have gotten away with the same disgusting, vile, horrific crimes! Their attorney is full of 💩 if he believes things would have gone better for them in a court of law today! Seems to me they needed a better lawyer!!
This is absolutely one of the saddest case I've ever heard. If a stranger had committed just a fraction of what their father did to them...both men would have been not just acquitted but probably never even been prosecuted. Why is it ok to defend yourself from a stranger but not from a family member!!! Those boys were tortured from their father from the time they were children thru young adulthood...and then sentenced to a lifetime of imprisonment! Set these men free!!
Absolutely. And they were misread. Ok so they spent money after the murders. They were young, immature and finally liberated from abusers. They were dealing with ptsd and not making great decisions. They high-fived each other in court, again, it boiled down to being relieved that hell was over with and they were able to tell their story.
Always believe children first! Some desperate women will do anything to keep a man, including sacrificing their children. It’s disgusting but takes a lot of courage for a child to speak out. Kids NEED support!
no they didn't i'm sorry way more kids go through worse sexual abuse and don't kill their parents and go on the worlds biggest shopping spree like nothings wrong
The letter was not admitted in the first trial which makes a case for a new trial. They can authenticate the age of the ink and handwriting. There is also a band member of Menudo who stepped forward and let it be known he was raped by their father.
@@dinolemma She never protected them. What they did was wrong; I don’t condone it, but they have been in prison for 30 years. They are not a danger to society.
This is so tragic. The family member that withheld the lettet all these years is so ignorant. How could they not present that as soon as they discovered it? Hopefully, the brothers will receive some sort of reasonable restitution. Complete failure of the justice system.
@Joan Arc It is beyond soul-crushing to think that after years of being abused and being pushed to unimaginable lengths to save yourself, the _victims_ of the abuse would end up incarcerated. I hope something can be done for them even though justice will never truly be served at this point. Considering many of the high-profile cases in the 90s and early 00s, it is fascinating to see how much influence the court of public opinion had in a pre-social media world.
I hope their parents who committed these horrible abuses are burning in hell!!!! How could any mother allow anyone to abuse, especially sexual abusing her boys, 😠
People have made child sexual abuse (normal) acceptable in our society. Mental health issues widespread in our culture are a result of this horror. May Jesus Christ have Mercy on each of us.
I saw and heard a social associate of Jose Menendez say that it was known what he was doing to his sons, but that the "Country Club set" felt that this was a private, family matter and that none of them should get involved. No one condones murder, but there are mitigating factors here which cannot be denied. This "father" was abusing his sons and his wife retreated into a bottle and ENABLED it.
i was very young when i remember this in the news. I watched the whole 2 trials and i fell im my heart it wasnt about the money. Thats what everyone was saying when i was young. People need to see all not what they see in headlines and not seeing the whole picture
As someone who has been in denial previous to my recovery of my own pain of being abused, i know i would've had a hard time believing their story. Nowadays, having healed myself, i know horrible things happen to people. I needed to acknokledge my own pain before i could see other people's.😢
Let's be morbidly realistic. Them boys saved a lot of other young boys from being abused by their dad. He would have never stopped his pedo ways, even if they left.
The letter doesn't prove anything if the murder was premeditated. A murderer can just write a letter to someone else saying anything. That someone is beating them, molesting them, etc.
So, are they implying that sexual abuse excuses cold-bloodily gunning down two unarmed people in their home, watching TV? And why would a man's claim of sexual abuse be immediately believed, when women's claims are not?
Kitty was one in many "moms" who hide their husband's SA of their children, which in itself makes them part take of the act as well. Criminals are not just murderers
I was skeptical myself but after watching the documentary of the former members of the Menudo boy band describe in detail what happened to them by their manger and the father of the Menedez brothers I totally believe they served their time and should be freed. One of the Menudo members even killed himself at 41yrs old because the trauma was too much for him so think about that for a minute. Ricky Martin even grew up to be 🌈. The writing is all over the wall people.
@@stephaniegilcher457721 year old grown ass man and 18 year old adult brother could've reported it, and ABSOLUTELY could've walked away. This was premeditated and especially cruel to their mother. They weren't 13 or 14 year old boys. They lied about their alibis, and went on so many soending sprees after the premeditated murders. No matter how awful their parents were, they have every opportunity to leave when they were adults. I believe they were SA, but they did commit 1st degree murder, lying in wait......keep them there
@@stephaniecrow7387 everyone can’t walk away, what you lack is an ability to walk in their shoes. Their horrific actions show the depth of their abuse and fear, and the fact that their mother was most likely in denial of what was happening to them. We’d all be better off employing a bit more compassion.
I don't think you can say this, you haven't walked in their shoes. Erik tried to leave and hid father forced him back from college. These people were controlled their whole lifes by their abusive parents. Until you live it, you just can't judge.
May GOD help these men who did what they did to protect themselves. Nobody was their to protect them not even their mother…OMG. Many families hide 🫣 and protect abusive family members for whatever twisted sense of loyalty. SHAME ON THEM . 🤦🏻♀️🙅🏻♀️🙏🏽😢
My best friend was sexually abused by her stepfather when she was a teenager and her mom knew. Her mom did nothing about it so she went and live with her dad. Her father never believed her either. In her dad's home she suffered mental abuse by her stepmother. The only ones that believed her where us, her two best friends. We could not help her although we tried, she was depressed and suicidal. (I know that now, we didn't notice then because she was always the life of the party always making other people laugh) She eventually married a guy who was abusive too and at some point had to run away with her infant son. Eventually she killed herself leaving two young boys. It descusses me that people like that exist and the sooner they leave the better. They are all still here while she's gone. These boys have suffered enough if indeed there is proof of abuse give them a chance.🙏
So sorry your poor dear friend and her now motherless children. I hope you are her voice for her for justice and her other friends and tell the police. Just heart breaking ! While you couldnt help her then you certainly can now xxx
I think the Menendez Brothers should have been charged with Manslaughter, not what they got served with. The judge cheated the Menendez brothers. They were in complete fear of their lives.
When I was four years old, a ten year old neighbor boy sexually assaulted me. My mother told me not to do it anymore. The boy continued to assault me for the next three years. I didn't say anything because I didn't want my mother's disapproval. 1954 - 1957.
They killed two people that were watching television. They were grown, and could have gotten away from their father, or reported their father. They have spent many years in prison,...but deserved years. Probably not a threat to the public, so yes, maybe it's time to set them free.
These poor traumatized boys. I believed them then and still do now. Traumatized and still being punished by society sitting in prison for being innocent victims. As an abuse victim myself, I think a lot of abusive parents need to count their lucky stars that they didn't meet the same fate
This was so incredibly sad. A very very long time to lose, yet thank God for those rare opportunities where we can correct our mistakes. Even still, many do not take male sexual abuse & rape as seriously as it should be
I can't believe that parents would treat their children as the Menendez, mother and father would treat their children in the manner in which treated, if the parents really and truly loves their children. I believe Lyle and Eric told the truth about the abuse they endured.
They are right where they belong. Eric is such a liar, conniver and his parents are the victims but they’re not here to defend themselves because this two spoiled young men shot them to pieces and they are 6 feet under in the back of a cemetery in N.J. They had the best legal defense and were found guilty. Now are we going to let them out ? Do you want them for your neighbor? I work in maximum security prisons as a psychiatric nurse and never met a guilty prisoner. They all have excuses for what they did……..
I don’t believe under the circumstances, that they deserve life in prison. They’ve been in prison their entire adult life, this is a different time in terms of addressing abuse and we’re much more educated and compassionate in dealing with such issues.
I seem to be the sole commenter that doesn’t buy into it. The letter could have been staged. Those two losers were out spending their parents money right after the deaths. They blew their mother’s face off. The lying brothers with their spoiled smirks. Giggling in the courtroom. Leslie having them wear little boy cardigans. The only victims, to me, are Kitty and Jose.
There are some other commenters who have your point of view. I do also. I will never forget that these two brothers found out that their parents were excluding them from their will. Their disbelief and anger made them kill their parents. Period. But a really good defense attorney will always bring out the baloney sandwiches. And the fools love eating them.
Both Erik and Lyle were badly abused by BOTH their Mom and Dad. In my opinion I do believe both Erik and Lyle should be set free from prison. They both will forever have to live with their choice to murder their parents and I never agreed with the sentence they both received. They have been through enough. People who did NOT survive what they did will probably never understand what it is like to be horrifically abused and how it changes, affects and the constant terror you are in, yet I do because I to survived horrific abuse by my parents. Sadly so often children let alone adults are not believed if they do speak up. Being a survivor of abuse it is natural to want the person or people who abused you to stop them so they can no longer abuse. And sadly sometimes the survivor murders their abuser. The trauma is so deep and horrific. I support their release and I believe if given their freedom they both would do many great things to help other’s. Anybody that judges them or anybody that has suffered, survived abuse and believes the victims should not be freed ask yourself what you would do if somebody raped you or somebody you loved and inflicted such horrific abuse on you or a loved one. Regardless both have to live with so much life long trauma.
I wonder if people are going to start saying why the Menudo band member never came out when the sexual abuse happened to him? Just like they tell women why they dont say anything years later.
Jose had power in the music industry. There's no way they'd let his sons off the hook and open a can of worms in the music industry. The worst was the media, whom played this as a game constantly showing the eldest smirking and playing it as cockiness. Their attorney didn't help as those were the days of LA Law and she dressed and played into being made a TV persona and not a proper lawyer. This was all a shambles and the case needs to be reopen.
These "kids" are older than their father was at the time of the murder 😢 also we didn't speak of such things at that time, much of this kind of thing was still stuck in the heads of these victims/survivors. This kind of thing doesn't come out until years decades later & sometimes never at all😭
The mother abused the older boy as well. Watch his testimony. Multiple relatives have also testified that she used to increase the volume of the TV while the monster, they call their father, abused them.
What do YOU think? ⚖👇
MORE HERE: www.courttv.com/title/menendez-brothers-attorney-talks-about-new-evidence-in-case/?
Test the ink 👌 is a must to get to the truth!!!
Set them free if that is an original letter and why it didn't make it to trial.
@@Jesusiscominglive777how do you test ink I've never heard of that?
I'm not sure exactly how they do it but they have done it see the age of the ink 😉
Set them free!
I remember the prosecutor saying that “men/boys can’t be raped”. Could you imagine someone saying that now?
It was a silly statement even then.
probably he is or was an abuser himsef
Exactly. It was crazy.
Did he not understand human anatomy?😮
@@budleypets it was a she
As a victim of SA abuse at the hands of my bio dad who shared me and my little sister w/ MANY friends for years- I stand by and support these two men♥️♥️♥️
I’m sorry for all that you and your sister went through no child should ever have to endure that ! 🥲
Wow I’m so sorry that happened to you, i pray that God removes all of those horrible memories from your mind. No child should ever go through this but unfortunately satan is very real and his biggest offense toward God is harming children who God loves so very much. My heart goes out to you
I’m so sorry, I can’t imagine what you went through. I’ll keep you in my prayers.
Sorry if i met your dad I would smash him in the face... I'm so sorry that the very ppl that should protect you and take a Bullet to save you wd do this x😊
@ LittleGirlLost
Sorry this happened to you. That is just so wrong. Praying for you that God would heal your broken heart.
I had a coworker many years ago, she told me that her step father sexually abused her from the time she was a little girl. And that her mother knew about it and did nothing to help her. I was sick to my stomach when she told me that. Those type of parents are the Real Monsters!
any mother that brings a stranger to her child can expect that. step father is nobody, no blood relations
I totally believe that they were relentlessly abused. That kind of anger does not come overnight.
100%
Me too always believed them b/c it’s a pretty embarrassing thing to admit/claim. You can wait for money but not for the abuse to stop. I can’t wait to see them freed!
I always thought that myself. What makes a person so angry at their parents, if they were loving parents.
@@xmanc5687 common sense, for sure.
Follow the money,,,
“People can’t imagine a father doing this with his son.”
Indeed. I’d even add that people also can’t imagine what it’s like to be raised in a home that enabled such a thing. This wasn’t just a sexual abuse case, it was a mental abuse case carried by a father that literally everyone that came into contact with was terrified of. The mother enabled it.
From experience, not only does the SA mess with your mind, the fact that the Mom allowed it might be the hardest part to get over. It shifts your understanding of reality, love, and trust.
The mother brought one of the sons into her bed and sex abused him, too.
Poor kids, growing up in these perverse households. 😔
SPOT ON!
👍👍👍. I’ve ALWAYS thought they deserved a new trial.
I always believed them!!! Their home was Hell!!! Both parents were Monsters!
My son is adopted.. I got him at 11 yrs old.. his dad raped him on the regular and his birth mom knew it was happening.. fast forward, he is 30 yrs old now and a productive happy human being. I acknowledged what happened to him, we talked it through for years but I never let him feel sorry for himself, I wasn't going to watch him become one big pity party.. the dad got 25 yrs, but only after SA 3 other members of the same family and the state took the parental rights away from him...
When they separated the brothers and put them in different jails really broke my heart. I hope they get out soon.
@fitlosophyqu33n me too. I cried a lot seen they got separated. At least they both should stay in same jail n let them to see each other
They saved so many kids because their father would never have stopped.
Thank you. Because it's true. People whom haven't experienced being SA and raped repeatedly wouldn't understand the fear/hate/distortion.
Exactly.
True!
Ummmm! That menudo guy stayed silent for 30 year’s! He probably needed money , now ! He got paid for this , obviously! Those Mendez brothers partying and spending thousands of dollars in the days after they murdered their parents! Why !? Did the kill their mom !? For the inheritance, duh
IF ITS TRUE
I hope Lyle and Erik get out of prison. I don't think they had a fair trial. Those parents were monsters. They served enough time.
I didn’t heard about this case yet?!
What an awful case it sounds astonishing! For how long in prison?!
It seems like it is not easy to get any fairly Trial today how come.
Is it not given more fear if not knowing if it’s the right behind bar or if a murder is out there?
Evidence not enough or?!
@@LadyCrimson2530 years.
Agreed
I know a man in his 50s who has been single and alone all of his life, because of the sexual abuse he suffered from his own father. He is so mentally tortured that he can not move on.
That is so sad 😭 what a despicable monster ugh
We all know a man like this. They are everywhere. Sexual assault of children was the norm and it was also the norm not to talk about it.
Completely awful. I've had partners who finally confessed to me about their trauma. It was so impossible to have a healthy relationship with them after years of trying because of their trauma. They were so emotionally fraught and volatile and I couldn't deal after a good long try. I do sincerely hope they are doing better and not alone :(. I HATE what their abuser did to their sweet soul.
The physical and psychological abuse these men suffered is something that anyone who hasn't lived it can't judge.
Agree!
Ya left out the sexual abuse
Exactly!!
Bs, I was abused for 18 years and I didn't murder anyone or abuse anyone.
Seems to me…..they wrote the letter as like an alibi!
They had it all planned!
This is the saddest failure in justice for these victims. They told their story and no one believed them. Now someone somewhat famous comes forward and it’s deemed worthy? Disgusting.
If they did it during rape...it's self defense. If you are eating ice cream on your couch it's just murdering your parents
Thirty (30) years too late!
A lot of people believed them at the time, and a lot of people still do. The first trial resulted in a mistrial because the jurors could not agree to convict or to acquit.
During the second trial, the judge limited the evidence that the defense could admit, which allowed the state to minimize the allegations of abuse, and they were ultimately successfully convicted.
Many people were shocked by this, as their testimonies of abuse were captivating and moving.
Agree!
THEY WERE OLD ENOUGH, TO LEAVE HOME. REMEMBER HONOR YOUR FATHER/MOTHER. SHALL NOT.KILL."
MILLIONS OF CHILDREN RUN FROM ABUSIVE PARENTS."
The real monster was the person who had that letter all these years and never showed anyone while the brothers rotted in jail.
Thats bc they still killed their parents.. now that 30 years have been fulfilled they should be let free
Actually that's a bit unfair to say, because their cousin had the letter and unfortunately he passed away in 2003. So his stuff was sort was put away and that's they didn't have the letters before
So sad 😭
@@珊小妮33 I watched Menendez+Menudo documentary. No mention that their cousin passed away 2003. Still, He held on to the letter then for 15 years? While the brothers remain in prison. It's flabbergasting that the cousin and Roy from Menudo, the other rape victim, did not come forward sooner. It's been 33 years ! The brothers need justice.
I watched a documentary about the horrific abuse they went through and there were actual witnesses in the house when one of the boys was screaming while being brutally raped by his dad. I don't know where all those witnesses were when the trial was going on. I pray they overturn their sentence, they've been literally tortured long enough.
Their cousin testified in their favor. But this case is deep and complex. It’s crazy to find out all the details of what happened and who was involved. Thank goodness Roy is finally ready to speak up.
@@claudiacastaneda6871they were old enough to go to the police, get a rape kit done in themselves, and not commit gruesome murder.
@@javayna2353 Wow, you are very naive.
@@javayna2353 Guessing you were never sexually abused by a family member..
People in power can even control those near or around them such as these witnesses. No one wants to go against a powerful person!
I feel so sorry that these two young men had to go through this, and people who knew didn't speak up absolutely shocking
This case needs more coverage and the brothers deserve a new trial ASAP.
@@pinkaholic09 I think the Netflix show will pick it up.
To those who are pointing out that the brothers were of legal age to move out of the home: any type of abuse includes a type of mind control where the abuser convinces the victim they would never survive without them. If these brothers were abused from a young age to their legal adulthood, it absolutely makes sense to me why they’d still be in the home with great reluctance to leave. It’s the same concept of saying, “why don’t they just leave?” regarding an abused spouse. I am all for a second trial, or release based on time served.
💯 and similar to an abused spouse. Statistically, they stay because they’re afraid of retribution!
Anyone in their right mind knows that if you murder someone for whatever reason besides self defense, you're found guilty in a court of law, it's life in prison.
You don't get off for time served or the circumstances of abuse.
It's like putting guns and knives in the hands of victims and its ok if you brutally murder them? It's not ok.
You contact authorities, your family members, adult friends, clergy, your Dr, your neighbor, anyone who would listen.
The back story to the brothers behavior prior to the murders is telling.
They should serve out their sentences for what they were found guilty in the court of law for, the same as anyone else who chose to weapon up and blow away an abuser.
Regardless of "the times", it's immoral and illegal to take someone else's life if not defending your own.
I believe Lyle was, in fact, out of the house but still relying on his parents' financial support.
@@Lisa-hc3uq You've clearly never been in an abusive household or been abused.
I say time served. Let them out. And I hope there's still some inheritance left.
I remember this case when i was a kid. The media circus, the natrative they were pushing, making fun of these 2 "spoiled kids."
I rewatched about this case a couple years ago and i was surprised to find myself believing the brothers
Same here. Those poor boys were abused. And spent enough time behind bars.
I was saying the same thing. I was young when this all happened, and from the media, that told us about it. I never got this impression that it was this bad, as an adult. This is disgusting, and they should’ve never went to jail. This father did the unspeakable to his children, and their mom.. just sat back and did nothing. I know all too well how that feels. Although, I didn’t suffer this bad, it was still bad for me. And I just hope they can get out.
Same.
I agree. They were punished by the media and courts on top of their horrific abuse growing up. I remember the media making this seem it was about the money.
Yep, same. I think it’s time to let them go.
I joined Jose Menendez's company, LIVE Home Video, several months after he was murdered. Everyone spoke about how impressive yet intimidating he was, my boss herself telling me how much she hated him and had immediately suspected the boys were involved in the murders as she believed they were abused children. I remember her saying that she was sorry how Jose Menedez died but was nevertheless very happy that he was gone.
Over 30 years in jail caused by a judge's shananagins. These lawyers in robes are a piece of work,
Well after O.J. everyone couldn’t believe a murderer of 2 people can just gets free, so others were paid for it.
💯!!!!
Politicians. They are voted into those robes. Give them a robe….everyone thought they were Gods, back then. They’re nothing more than lawyers who brown nosed enough to be voted.
All good and dandy but what did Kitty Menéndez have to do with anything their self defense just falls apart!
@@ezragonzalez8936 She enabled the abuse and even seemed protect this monster of a dad/pedo so yeah she had to go too.
They should have been able to put their evidence before the jury in their second trial. I think that's unfair.
It is completely unfair, and has happened/still happens countless times in a trial.
I remember this case and i remember thinking something is definitely very wrong here and the two brothers seemed genuinely abused. So sad this happened to them... their lives were pretty much stolen away from them twice. Their parents stole the first half of their lives and the justice system stole the second half.
I agree. A year ago I'd read about the new evidence in this case. Before that, I just went with the official narrative that the brothers m urdered for money. I had not heard otherwise. I completely believe the boys were molested and abused. I think they should be released and receive the inheritance from their monster father and enabler mother, too. They should have only served a maximum of 12 years. They've had their entire life stolen from them. If I lived closer I would go visit them in prison. So sad.
I always asked myself why no one of the "Menudos" members never said something about it. Roy lives in Brazil today and he said something about it many, many years ago. He said that other members of Menudos were also abused by him.
They did! Some spoke up on the tv show, Cristina, from Univision. They made them look like greedy liars 😢
they did but pedo ring control social media....but we have to keep supporting them talking about it
No one cares if it wasn't Ricky Martin.. Plus you can't rape one of the Menudos, they are all gay
@dgabster7953 they may be jealous of the boys get everything. And also I think their relatives not live in usa . Dad said one time his father sent him to usa by bus not giving any money.
It always seemed that the court and lawyers were more upset about how those boys spent their daddys money than wanting to hear about what their daddy actually did to them.
Daddy was also raping other young men/boys, so his death saved many others from the same abuse.
Yup
I remember this case when I was about 15 yo. I remember seeing them testify and watched the tears form in their eyes, describing such a shameful account of their lives, that they were not responsible for, but that their own disturbed father was. I love that they have found joy, in the midst of decades of incarceration. I truly hope the case is retried and justice prevails 😓🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
The documentary needs to be watched by everyone. It’s sickening what was done to all these kids.
Yes was awful. I cried.
@@lolalovesme2987 I don’t think it was one sided. I couldn’t make up my mind. It seems he did it the 2nd time but he had already been railroad by law enforcement the 1st time, why wouldn’t they do it again.
Where can I see it?
@@lysatekilah8924 peacock.
Melendez + Menudo
Documentaries are opinion pieces crafted to make you feel one way or the other. They are not 100% truthful. It’s one side. They are murderers and belong in prison.
They should be released. This case was the example of the time back then that made ALL children feel powerless to horrific treatment.
they shot and killed their parents and you want them set free in society? You are as crazy as they are.
@@royharper2003 The defence is working lol
@@royharper2003 They kill a Child sexual abuser... you should thank them ...
They were adults when they committed this crime. 🙄
@@mweber5459 , That's exactly my thoughts. Absolutely no reason for those grown adults to keep living with "abusive" parents, especially if it was bad enough to brutally murder them. Move the heck out, report it to the police, file a civil lawsuit. Not to mention every story has 2 sides and dead people can't defend themselves against unsubstantiated allegations.
The hair loss was obviously stress telated, alopecia but nobody looked at that.
IT IS HORRIFIC WHAT THESE MEN WENT THROUGH.
Truth!
No , it’s horrible what these kids did to their parents!! They were so happy after the murders, the brothers spent a lot of money and were partying !! Why !? Kill mom !?
STILL.... THEY COMMITTED MURDER, THEY MURDERED THEIR MOTHER TOO SO,,, NO ONE SHOULD GET AWAY WITH MURDER. PERIOD THEY HAD OTHER CHOICES THAT THEY COULD HAVE MADE.. THEY NEED TO STAY IN JAIL.
@@unoimright5153how easy to just stand with the abusive elders. And be convinced that their victims should have pretend to grieve the atrocious parents when they had been craving for freedom and safety from the very beginning of their lives.
At least, these two young brothers saved other kids from their psychopathic father. You could have been one of these kids.
And this man could have ending murdering his family as well.
You POV is quite narrow minded : what would have happened if these degenerate parents were still alive, knowing how dangerous the father was ?
@@Souxie123The Mendez Bros, story has changed many times , but you believe them !? Lmfao ! Narrow minded and gullible ! The jury didn’t buy it but but but you just know that these two convicted murderer’s are telling the truth !! You haven’t even seen the evidence against these brothers, you haven’t watched the trials but but but you just know that the Mendez Bros wouldn’t lie ! These Bros. spent 700,000 in the months after they murdered their parents! Because, they were so sad and traumatized! Get out of here, FACTS OVER FEELINGS
If you've never saw the old documentaries on this, their parents did sick sick things to them. It was stomach turning.
No they did no't. They killed for money, and I would bet my last dollar they were never abused. They are evil killers.
How horrific. 💔😢
Well they could have handled it the right way. They became murderers in the process. No excuse to kill of their parents.
@@studiosinger It also does not even make sense, because if the dad is abusing you, what reason is there for killing the mom? Oh they say she must have known, but in what world does her knowing mean they get a pass for murdering her? It is clear why they killed the mom, because if the dad dies she gets all the money, but if she dies too, then they get the money. They killed for money, and nothing else. People are just dumb to believe they were abused. Also, if he had been telling his cousin about the abuse, then how come the cousin never said anything about it? Then they mysteriously find an old letter, that I think we all know is not an old letter. Ink has changed in the past 30 years, and I bet if they test the ink it has chemicals init that did not exist in ink 30 years ago. No doubt in my mind if they win a new trial, the thing that will ruin their case is the ink in that letter. Yes the state will test the ink if they have to try the case again, and then their case falls apart.
@@studiosinger Do you remember how old they were when the murders happened, the kids. I was wondering why they didn't move out. I don't know the whole story I was young when this happened.
Las victimas siempre fueron esos pobres muchachos reaccionaron asi artos de vivir tantas barbaridades por parte de esos padres cochinos monstruos ojala se aga justicia y para Roy tambien esos violadores tienen que pagar
I always believed them. I hope this ends with them being released. It’s time for justice for Lyle and Erik.
I'm ashamed to say I believed the media back then but now...I can see that not only did they free themselves from the abuse but they are actually heroic for standing up in court to talk about the abuse at a time when Nobody would of such things in their families.
Times are different now and people are speaking truth to power and believing victims more, society failed them by not believing them. There father was a powerful man and nobody would have second guessed him sadly. I hope they are freed because they deserve it😭
@@ashleydaniel3215 your reaction wasn’t something to be ashamed of. Especially back then it was almost unheard of that boys suffered in this way. I think you being honest is a good thing.
In my comment above I said the same thing. I believed them way back then too.
I always believed them as well. I hope they are freed soon 💙
Bs, I was abused for 18 years, I didn't murder anyone. My sister was abused for 15 years until I had my own place and moved her in to get her away, she hasn't murdered anyone.
Murder is not the answer.
The fact all the evidence and witnesses that proved the abuse happened was not admitted on the second trial was a total breach of the brothers rights to a fair trial.
Shame on that judge and prosecutor.
Free them!
100%
It was admitted at there first trial !!! That letter is a fraud !!!
Agreed! It's time for the masses to understand the psychological and emotional trauma that is caused by such egregious and long-term sexual abuse of children, particularly by a family member.
The Judge took their defense away from them.
@@schoomzer Yes, it literally fractures somone's soul. They killed them in self defense, being threatened with sexual assault is just as criminal as being threatened with death. People askobg if the father "threatened to kill them" as if that was the only action that warranted a life threatening measures need to wake up.
They probably were so embarrassed to say what they were going through. Sad that they decided to do such a horrible thing to their parents, but even more horrible that a person that’s expected to protect them would hurt them as well as other’s in such a horrible manner.
We have this idea in our society that parents just naturally love their kids but then smth like this happens and it's not too uncommon, and people's bubbles get burst.
As a rule children live in fear of their molester’s. And as far as the boy band member goes, he probably was afraid of ruining his reputation. Not that he would be blamed but victim’s become ashamed.
Also had the boys reported it and not killed their parents and if the parents were charged with rape etc the amount of time they would have received would be less than 10 years!! These men have been in there for 30 years because of murder. It’s sad that rape charges don’t get more time in prison.
I don't think they killed him out of anger. They killed him because they were terrified of him! They killed him in self defense. This letter proves it!!
Lol
I was terrified of my mother, who lock me in closet at 5yrs old and destroyed my life but yet I didn't kill her. At 15, I ran away from home.
They had other resources and planned the homicides. The dead parents are unarmed. Where's the self-defense?
They actually said they felt safer at jail than in their house!...Imagine the hell those kids went through...
@@yourkeysre being locked up in a closet sounds awful but not quite the same as being raped by your father hundreds of times while your mother allowed it...rape fractures people's souls to a different degree.
Does this mean that every abuse victim can legally kill their abuser?
It should be this way . SA at that smh
If it’s in self defense that’s different. But legally you can’t kill someone without serving jail time. But I do feel like these guys probably served enough time.
I never doubted their testimonies. I never understood how they could be put in jail for longer than 5 years.
I just saw their testimonies recently and have to agree with you. They are more than believable.
@@dianazhora7357 Exactly and you know what, they were spoiled brats too and of course they liked the money. But Lyle would have had a bright future ahead of him, probably in politics and as a business owner. No doubt about that. He had zero motive involving money. The only motive left was this. I feel that they basically put Kitty out of her misery.
Since they were their parents and they had no choice but to love them instinctively, they will regret their choice every day.
Especially Erik, since their mother hated him less.
And who would have believed them back then?
Besides that it would have been economic suicide to ruin their fathers career, the shame was too big. It would be the same if Barron Trump would go to the police saying he was raped by Donald Trump.
People would think it must be a weird anger issues of a spoiled brat.
When you see what they are trying to normalize in our society today, it makes me wonder if they knew they were innocent the whole time. They wanted to make what happened to them normal and make defending themselves the crime. Is that not what's happening today in society? They've been perpetuating and indoctrinating society in a very deceptive way for eons! Just more proof of it right here. 3 decades later and we clearly see that Jeffery Epstein, Royalty, politicians, heads of state and celebrities have gotten away with the same disgusting, vile, horrific crimes! Their attorney is full of 💩 if he believes things would have gone better for them in a court of law today! Seems to me they needed a better lawyer!!
This is absolutely one of the saddest case I've ever heard. If a stranger had committed just a fraction of what their father did to them...both men would have been not just acquitted but probably never even been prosecuted. Why is it ok to defend yourself from a stranger but not from a family member!!!
Those boys were tortured from their father from the time they were children thru young adulthood...and then sentenced to a lifetime of imprisonment! Set these men free!!
Just set them free. They were tortured from the time they were babies. They are not a danger to society. Let them live real life with their wives now
In the first trial, if these bros were not abused. Then they were Oscar quality actors on the stand WHOA
Absolutely. And they were misread. Ok so they spent money after the murders. They were young, immature and finally liberated from abusers. They were dealing with ptsd and not making great decisions.
They high-fived each other in court, again, it boiled down to being relieved that hell was over with and they were able to tell their story.
There's no faking that emotion. It was absolutely gut wrenching to watch and to see the Prosecution belittle their truth.
Always believe children first! Some desperate women will do anything to keep a man, including sacrificing their children. It’s disgusting but takes a lot of courage for a child to speak out. Kids NEED support!
I agree 💯
Absolutely
They were 18 and 21 ,they were not children!!!!!!
No imagino lo que estos niños pudieran haber pasado 😢
Let those poor guy's out of prison!! Its awful what they went through and, the mom is just as guilty as the dad was!! She knew everything!! 😡
These boys were never protected by society and the police.
They had to take the law into their own hands
They served their time set them free
no they didn't i'm sorry way more kids go through worse sexual abuse and don't kill their parents and go on the worlds biggest shopping spree like nothings wrong
Their testimony was riveting during the 1st trial. So awful. With the letter, they would be out of prison.
The letter was not admitted in the first trial which makes a case for a new trial. They can authenticate the age of the ink and handwriting. There is also a band member of Menudo who stepped forward and let it be known he was raped by their father.
@@dianazhora7357 I made a mistake. I meant if that letter was in the 1st trial. I hope they get out. This is a miscarriage of justice.
I believed them on the stand about the abuse and their fear. I think they’ve done enough time. Let them go.
Seriously. People get fixated on the brutal murder of the mother but she was complicit in the abuse.
@@dinolemma She never protected them. What they did was wrong; I don’t condone it, but they have been in prison for 30 years. They are not a danger to society.
RCA records executive. Everyone knows what they’re doing to young men nowadays. It’s a great deal of trauma. Time to clean it up
This is so tragic. The family member that withheld the lettet all these years is so ignorant. How could they not present that as soon as they discovered it? Hopefully, the brothers will receive some sort of reasonable restitution. Complete failure of the justice system.
@Joan Arc It is beyond soul-crushing to think that after years of being abused and being pushed to unimaginable lengths to save yourself, the _victims_ of the abuse would end up incarcerated. I hope something can be done for them even though justice will never truly be served at this point.
Considering many of the high-profile cases in the 90s and early 00s, it is fascinating to see how much influence the court of public opinion had in a pre-social media world.
@Joan Arc Luckily they have each other for support.
I hope their parents who committed these horrible abuses are burning in hell!!!! How could any mother allow anyone to abuse, especially sexual abusing her boys, 😠
I hope these brothers can get out with this new evidence. They’ve been there a very long time.
They didn't make it up there father was greedy and sick
Too long 😢
NO CHILD HAS A RIGHT TO MURDER THEIR PARENTS
NO PARENT HAS A RIGHT TO RAPE THEIR CHILD.
UNLESS THE PARENT RAPES THE CHILD! DO BETTER YOU PATHETIC PUKE!
Tell that to child abusers I see what little empathy you have
If the sons would have exposed their father he would had took them out the will Had an uncle when he was mad 😡 he took u out the will
I’ve always believed these guys! I pray someone truly fights for them & gets this case over turned,they’ve done enough time! Praying for them both🙏🙏❤
Amen !
People have made child sexual abuse (normal) acceptable in our society. Mental health issues widespread in our culture are a result of this horror. May Jesus Christ have Mercy on each of us.
Unfortunately it has always existed but not talked about like now, doesn’t mean that it’s “accepted” by society, it’s illegal & should be punished
I saw and heard a social associate of Jose Menendez say that it was known what he was doing to his sons, but that the "Country Club set" felt that this was a private, family matter and that none of them should get involved.
No one condones murder, but there are mitigating factors here which cannot be denied. This "father" was abusing his sons and his wife retreated into a bottle and ENABLED it.
Agreed, it was horrific what the father did and the mother allowed it,they have done enough time they deserve to be released
Agreed! 👍
@@natashaferguson5425 They've paid their debt to society and once they are out, they can get spiritual counseling to be fully repentant.
@@factualbreakdown3072you want them to repent for killing a guy who repeatedly raped them? Ok then.
@Factual Breakdown THEY don't need to repent for a damn thing! they need to simply get out and live what's left of their lives...asap!
I truly hope these men get to see the outside. Growing up with a psychopath is a punishment in itself.
They need to put in jail also the Manager of Menudo Edgardo Diaz..
Honestly, I believed them.
I did too.
💯. Thought it was a miscarriage of Justice at the time. Wish them the best.
@@GeneralLeia I agree. I think if it were to go to trial today, the outcome would be very different.
i was very young when i remember this in the news.
I watched the whole 2 trials and i fell im my heart it wasnt about the money. Thats what everyone was saying when i was young. People need to see all not what they see in headlines and not seeing the whole picture
Wow! Never thought of this happening, but damn, a kid from Menudo too! 😮 This verdict needs to be overturned.
More than one kid from Menudo suffered sexual abuse, but they still remained silent
As someone who has been in denial previous to my recovery of my own pain of being abused, i know i would've had a hard time believing their story. Nowadays, having healed myself, i know horrible things happen to people. I needed to acknokledge my own pain before i could see other people's.😢
What about the killing of their mother??? Horrible that a father would do that, but they were both old enough to leave.
She knew
Those two sons were driven by abuse to kill their evil parents . Set them free .
Let's be morbidly realistic. Them boys saved a lot of other young boys from being abused by their dad. He would have never stopped his pedo ways, even if they left.
The letter doesn't prove anything if the murder was premeditated. A murderer can just write a letter to someone else saying anything. That someone is beating them, molesting them, etc.
That’s the first thing I thought of... weren’t they trying to write a script...?
Yeah they waiting all these years hoping someone would turn the letter in.
So, are they implying that sexual abuse excuses cold-bloodily gunning down two unarmed people in their home, watching TV? And why would a man's claim of sexual abuse be immediately believed, when women's claims are not?
Kitty was one in many "moms" who hide their husband's SA of their children, which in itself makes them part take of the act as well. Criminals are not just murderers
I've signed many petitions to set them free. They were living in HELL with their father. They should be out!!! They need a new trial!😢
Or just let them out. They spent over 3 decades in prison which can be time served.
The problem is lawyers use bogus accusations so often, no one knows when to believe and not to believe.
I was skeptical myself but after watching the documentary of the former members of the Menudo boy band describe in detail what happened to them by their manger and the father of the Menedez brothers I totally believe they served their time and should be freed. One of the Menudo members even killed himself at 41yrs old because the trauma was too much for him so think about that for a minute. Ricky Martin even grew up to be 🌈. The writing is all over the wall people.
He was one of those elite pedo fucks their father
The only problem is, they killed their mother too.
Yes, a Mother who sat back and let the abuse go on for years, and years, and did absolutely nothing! She was as guilty as he was.
She was an alcoholc? Right
THESE GUYS WERE OLD ENOUGH TO LEAVE HOME. They killed their parents, so now they are unable to defend themselves.
Did you go through what they had to go through? Be quiet
@@stephaniegilcher457721 year old grown ass man and 18 year old adult brother could've reported it, and ABSOLUTELY could've walked away. This was premeditated and especially cruel to their mother. They weren't 13 or 14 year old boys. They lied about their alibis, and went on so many soending sprees after the premeditated murders. No matter how awful their parents were, they have every opportunity to leave when they were adults. I believe they were SA, but they did commit 1st degree murder, lying in wait......keep them there
@@stephaniecrow7387 everyone can’t walk away, what you lack is an ability to walk in their shoes. Their horrific actions show the depth of their abuse and fear, and the fact that their mother was most likely in denial of what was happening to them. We’d all be better off employing a bit more compassion.
I don't think you can say this, you haven't walked in their shoes. Erik tried to leave and hid father forced him back from college. These people were controlled their whole lifes by their abusive parents. Until you live it, you just can't judge.
May GOD help these men who did what they did to protect themselves. Nobody was their to protect them not even their mother…OMG. Many families hide 🫣 and protect abusive family members for whatever twisted sense of loyalty. SHAME ON THEM . 🤦🏻♀️🙅🏻♀️🙏🏽😢
Its amazing what outsiders believe they KNOW.
My best friend was sexually abused by her stepfather when she was a teenager and her mom knew. Her mom did nothing about it so she went and live with her dad.
Her father never believed her either.
In her dad's home she suffered mental abuse by her stepmother.
The only ones that believed her where us, her two best friends.
We could not help her although we tried, she was depressed and suicidal.
(I know that now, we didn't notice then because she was always the life of the party always making other people laugh) She eventually married a guy who was abusive too and at some point had to run away with her infant son.
Eventually she killed herself leaving two young boys.
It descusses me that people like that exist and the sooner they leave the better. They are all still here while she's gone.
These boys have suffered enough if indeed there is proof of abuse give them a chance.🙏
So sorry your poor dear friend and her now motherless children. I hope you are her voice for her for justice and her other friends and tell the police. Just heart breaking ! While you couldnt help her then you certainly can now xxx
I think the Menendez Brothers should have been charged with Manslaughter, not what they got served with. The judge cheated the Menendez brothers. They were in complete fear of their lives.
When I was four years old, a ten year old neighbor boy sexually assaulted me. My mother told me not to do it anymore. The boy continued to assault me for the next three years. I didn't say anything because I didn't want my mother's disapproval. 1954 - 1957.
They killed two people that were watching television. They were grown, and could have gotten away from their father, or reported their father.
They have spent many years in prison,...but deserved years.
Probably not a threat to the public, so yes, maybe it's time to set them free.
The victims were the boys not the parents.
@@angelwings7930 Yes, but the "boys" had other options. How old were they...18 or more... I believe so.
@@sherriec5258Their father had more power than they did.
These boys had suffer enough and y’all put them in jail for life…wow just wow no moral at all, let these boys go, they have did TOO MUCH TIME
These poor traumatized boys. I believed them then and still do now. Traumatized and still being punished by society sitting in prison for being innocent victims. As an abuse victim myself, I think a lot of abusive parents need to count their lucky stars that they didn't meet the same fate
Prayers for the Mendez boys.
Men
This was so incredibly sad. A very very long time to lose, yet thank God for those rare opportunities where we can correct our mistakes. Even still, many do not take male sexual abuse & rape as seriously as it should be
What mistake are you talking about or are you talking out your ass ain't no mistake these bastards deserved to die for what they did.
I can't believe that parents would treat their children as the Menendez, mother and father would treat their children in the manner in which treated, if the parents really and truly loves their children. I believe Lyle and Eric told the truth about the abuse they endured.
I knew them boys were always telling the truth. The parents got what they deserved. End of story. Now let them poor men out ...
They are right where they belong. Eric is such a liar, conniver and his parents are the victims but they’re not here to defend themselves because this two spoiled young men shot them to pieces and they are 6 feet under in the back of a cemetery in N.J. They had the best legal defense and were found guilty. Now are we going to let them out ? Do you want them for your neighbor? I work in maximum security prisons as a psychiatric nurse and never met a guilty prisoner. They all have excuses for what they did……..
Killed mother. Murder is still murder.
The mother knew about it and didn't do anything
send the trial judge to prison for contempt of court
I don’t believe under the circumstances, that they deserve life in prison. They’ve been in prison their entire adult life, this is a different time in terms of addressing abuse and we’re much more educated and compassionate in dealing with such issues.
what circumstances? they killed their parents for the money and the entire story about abuse was fabricated by their attorney
If it's true, why did this dude not come up earlier
YES !
It just proves how media can convince people especially young ones to believe in things THEY want you to believe.
This was a year ago so what happened with this new evidence??? NOTHING ! 😢
I seem to be the sole commenter that doesn’t buy into it. The letter could have been staged. Those two losers were out spending their parents money right after the deaths. They blew their mother’s face off. The lying brothers with their spoiled smirks. Giggling in the courtroom. Leslie having them wear little boy cardigans. The only victims, to me, are Kitty and Jose.
Just doesn't make sense for this letter to "appear" after all these years. None of what they are saying would have proven abuse 40 years ago or now
Kohalover. Yes at least you see what a scam of sex sbuse they tried to get away with. Amazed so many bought their abuse excuse. Mostly women.
@Joyce Ketelhut. Exactly. Hope none of these commentators that believe this bs story serve as a juror in a murder trial.
There are some other commenters who have your point of view. I do also. I will never forget that these two brothers found out that their parents were excluding them from their will. Their disbelief and anger made them kill their parents. Period. But a really good defense attorney will always bring out the baloney sandwiches. And the fools love eating them.
Yes. These men are never getting out
They are just got caught is all. It's such a stupid excuse they made up
Both Erik and Lyle were badly abused by BOTH their Mom and Dad. In my opinion I do believe both Erik and Lyle should be set free from prison. They both will forever have to live with their choice to murder their parents and I never agreed with the sentence they both received. They have been through enough. People who did NOT survive what they did will probably never understand what it is like to be horrifically abused and how it changes, affects and the constant terror you are in, yet I do because I to survived horrific abuse by my parents. Sadly so often children let alone adults are not believed if they do speak up. Being a survivor of abuse it is natural to want the person or people who abused you to stop them so they can no longer abuse. And sadly sometimes the survivor murders their abuser. The trauma is so deep and horrific. I support their release and I believe if given their freedom they both would do many great things to help other’s. Anybody that judges them or anybody that has suffered, survived abuse and believes the victims should not be freed ask yourself what you would do if somebody raped you or somebody you loved and inflicted such horrific abuse on you or a loved one. Regardless both have to live with so much life long trauma.
I wonder if people are going to start saying why the Menudo band member never came out when the sexual abuse happened to him? Just like they tell women why they dont say anything years later.
Jose had power in the music industry. There's no way they'd let his sons off the hook and open a can of worms in the music industry. The worst was the media, whom played this as a game constantly showing the eldest smirking and playing it as cockiness. Their attorney didn't help as those were the days of LA Law and she dressed and played into being made a TV persona and not a proper lawyer. This was all a shambles and the case needs to be reopen.
They absolutely deserve new trial, and btw Leslie Abramson worked her heart out do defend them, I admire work she did on this case.
Leslie did a great job for them but guess public and jury were not ready for this
@@joantaylor7738 sadly…
Now that we know the truth about Hollywood it's possible
They deserve a life of freedom!! They ARE victims!
let them come live with you
Didn’t the mom abuse them too and let this happen? Let these poor men out! ❤
That letter was in the first trial and they didn't allow it in the second trial
These "kids" are older than their father was at the time of the murder 😢 also we didn't speak of such things at that time, much of this kind of thing was still stuck in the heads of these victims/survivors. This kind of thing doesn't come out until years decades later & sometimes never at all😭
Yep!
Then why kill their mother as well?Except that they would not have inherited the money and estate?
Because their mother didn't do anything and just let it all happen
@@norailarslan264 That's not justifiable homicide. The media is misleading people. They're staying in prison.
The mother abused the older boy as well. Watch his testimony. Multiple relatives have also testified that she used to increase the volume of the TV while the monster, they call their father, abused them.