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This show took me by surprise...the 2 guys playing the brothers were phenomenal no matter what emotion they were portraying and Javier Bardem is an Icon and so scary in this 😅 I kept thinking the one older brother was Sebastian Stan!
I think the show did a good job at showing how everything was transpiring at THAT time… the show seemed split on showing them as victims vs monsters just how back then everyone was split on believing them as victims and monsters.
Everyone back then knew they were monsters. It’s only recently that some people (mostly Zoomers who weren’t around) think they might be victims. Casey Anthony and Yolanda Saldivar also have documentaries trying to trick Zoomers into thinking they were innocent
@@jonwinder1861 ? No. With a title like “monsters” it’s basically up to the viewer to decipher if the parents are the monsters, or if the kids are the monsters. We actually don’t know which is which
@@freelikeyve ? Yes. Because at the end of the day there are victims and there are monsters in this story. It's up to the viewer to decipher who the victims and monsters are in this story between the parents and the sons.
Dude... From top to bottom, the acting was insanely good. Even the closing attorney and juror lady and her replacement.... Even those "side" parts were phenomenal. I was very impressed with this series as a piece of historical art, or whatever you want to call it. Such a good series.
I just watched a whole psychologist analyze the testimonies of sexual abuse from both brothers and he concluded that the way they told the stories and carried themselves through it was consistent with people who really were abused and had signs of PTSD. I believe the brothers went crazy with the money because they were trying to forget what they did and cope with the money spending. I believe they truly went through what they said they did, but I do not think how they handled it was oKay. Maybe they do have mental illness but I wouldn’t be surprised due to the trauma they could have been going through during childhood. Trauma stunts growth
@@Aliyah1290 Erik claimed that when he was a child he put cinnamon in his fathers coffee so that his ejaculate wouldn't taste as bad. He also claimed that he began to put lemon juice on his own food in an attempt to remove his sense of taste.
Well said. As a childhood sexual abuse survivor myself, I’ve watched their testimonies and it definitely is in the way they carry themselves and recall the events that makes me believe them. Thank you for pointing that out.
Javier Bardem probably gives one of his top 5 performances in Ep 6 when he monologues about his childhood.Utterly disturbing and heartbreaking at the same time
35 mins. One shot. Also when Erik was in the stand, was great acting. Cuz the whole point was for him to look like he's acting. So hes an actor, playing a character that is supposed to look like he's acting. That's not easy.
The abuse is not remotely contested. There are a bunch of family members that saw the abuse as well as boys outside of the family that were also abused by the dad. It is only contested by people who know nothing about the case.
The sexual abuse was not allowed to be admitted in the second trial and when asked many jurors admitted afterward, had that been presented, it would have changed their verdict.
@@zoe6353 dozens did not say the sexually abused they said the father was abusive and aggressive. But lets say they did abuse them. Are u still sayin what they did is excusable and like they were not old enough to know they should have went to the cops and not premeditated murder?
Javier Barden was great with the Cuban accent too. He’s from Spain and his original Spanish accent is pretty thick but he did it great! And his whole acting too of course. He was so scary.
As I was watching episode 5 with Erik / Cooper Koch telling his abuse story, I was thinking this guy deserves an Emmy just for this, then at the end as the camera does a closeup on his face as he looks at his lawyer with a look, of wondering if she believes his story. Also, Javier Bardem as Jose their father, I mean I have thought he was phenomenal since seeing him play the Villain in No Country for Old Men. I go back and forth believing their story, then when Lyle is giving his story to over the prison phone, I was thinking she's going to write a book, and this makes him look like a psychopath. Also him asking people to make up a story about his dad assaulting them as well. Great the way they told the story from several POVs, the brothers, the witnesses, the spectators, the parents via family and counseling sessions.
I don’t understand why Netflix had to make Erik gay? When he explicitly said he wasn’t. Just because someone is molested doesn’t mean they turn gay like damn.
No but he did end up having a s3xual relationship with a boy which is mentioned a few times through out the series. Implying that's why eric wanted them gone because his parents found out about the boy
@@ur_dad_was_here_xo no, I'm talking about real life, you didn't read my comment. If a person says they aren't gay you can't change their sexuality. It's also a double standard if you think about it.
That’s true, however it’s an extremely common thing for victims of same sex child molestation to have conflicted feelings on their orientation. Often times, it almost feels like they were never given the option to choose what they liked, but grew to tolerate it or see it as their preference. It’s an absolute strip of power that affects you mentally and I know from experience.
@@iyaniole6010 its a stigma that every person that gets molested turns gay. It’s disrespectful to gay people, and SA survivors. You can be gay without being sexually assaulted, that doesn’t determine your sexuality. It’s also quite disrespectful to change a living person’s sexuality when you’re tryna tell their story, especially such an important one. Erik himself pointed out how offensive it is to imply that sexual abuse turns someone gay. He clarified that he himself is not gay, and such assumptions about abuse victims are harmful and misleadingHeres also what the brothers had to say about it: "The prosecutor brought that up because I was sexually molested and he felt in his own thinking that if I was sodomised by my father that I must have enjoyed it and therefore I must be gay.” He continued: “And people that are gay out there must be sexually molested or they wouldn’t be. It was upsetting to hear, but I am not gay. But a lot of gay people write and feel connected to me.” Lyle then added: "A problem at the trial was the gender bias, that because they were dealing with males and an incest family ... there was this perception that maybe it was something that he wanted, something that he allowed to happen." Another said: "I don’t understand how in the show Eric is portrayed as essentially a gay man while in all the interviews with him he clearly states that he’s not. I know the creator Ryan Murphy is gay and maybe he preferred that narrative? But shouldn’t it stay close to reality? Confusing."
The genious part of the series is how it starts like a rich spoiled dudes cray cray light story and makes a phenomenal turn in the episode 5 (that I consider Oscar and Emmy award worthy for both actors, director, dialogue) and moves on to become PHENOMENAL INCREDIBLE SERIES.I m currently going all in the rabbit hole trying to figure out what the hell happened like….really 😮❤
@@3a5859 what happened is they were abused and then decided to kill their parents. Both are awful. Being abused doesn’t give you the right to spend weeks planning a double murder and then go through with it. Especially as grown ups. They were not kids. They grown men when they decided to kill their parents
Was that in one take? I swear the entire episode was one take. If not entire, the vast majority...I just kept watching wondering when they were going to change camera angle, and they never did. And the fact that the dude literally cried on command in the middle of that scene was amazing.
@@Wise_CrossBowthey started this whole thing by lying!!! If it was true instead of trying to make it like a mafia hit and fake crying “somebody killed our parents” they would have came out with the truth on the night of the crime and told the cops what went down. They didn’t do that and tried to cover evidence.
From what I got out of what he was trying to do was show 3 solid angles that were or might be the most obvious. Because towards the middle, I was a little confused, but then I noticed it was 3 different ways to tell their story, the parents & the public, if that makes sense.
Agree the last few episodes it just felt confused. Like he doesn’t want to be on the boys’ side he doesn’t want to be on the media’s side he doesn’t want to be on the parents’ side as to not upset anyone on the other sides. I couldn’t tell if he believed the boys or not
@tomlee982 they made it up to avoid death penalty? They bring it up after allll this time, not to their therapist. Their defense lawyer has a habit of using the defense to get her clients off, the spending spree etc like come onnn they were spoiled and wanted MONEY it's simple
@Faltzerbeast90 I was asking why that guy thinks they was abused, I'm not stupid, they are literally on the phone saying they was lying, I think people just either are thick or just fancy them.
I felt like the actor who played Lyle looks so much like a young Matthew Lawrence that I thought it was him and then realised it can't be as he is way older now.
Explain. Cause Dahmer was gay, Erik is a down low kid. Now if next season with Ed Gein shows him being gay then you have something here… But these first two stories involve homosexual activities rather wanted or not… I think you just don’t like gays amigo…
@@Sneakerhead2013 the real erik never said he was gay.. that’s why Ryan Murphy over exaggerating those things was out of sorts. Also including incest behavior with the brothers was strictly for dramatic effect
I was confused after watching the series as it seemed to portray that Lyle came up with the idea of the sexual abuse story and got Erik to play along at trial, but if you watch the real trial their testimonies both seem very raw and genuine.
This was just to show you that they brought you to one side to feel sorry for them and in the end people have been deceived with their lies and it is in fact that they lied and all the phone calls made in prison is what made them guilty which is true as well, so whether how nice they were or not the facts are still facts dramatizing their story. THEY LIED. Yes, it’s just you feeling sorry so you shouldn’t
@@barbarabreunis7788yea and they made Erik seem like he was secretly gay…. Talking about him being in love and having sex with one of his friends… and the gay scene in jail.
This season was a bit lighter and less eerie, really loved how they portrayed both sides of the kids and parents. It really made me feel conflicted. I feel like they definitely deserved some time in prison but idk if they derserved this long of a sentence.
The show is heavily fictionalized. Some of the events are completely untrue - like the reason why Jill Lansing left the case. She left because she had a young daughter who she was missing out on. She used to bring the daughter to her sessions with Lyle and the little girl adored Lyle. Lyle used to call her "Jilly". She also stayed on for a while long to prepare the new lawyers that were coming in, she didn't just bolt like that.
@@xxwhispersxx2856You are pretending like there was not an almost 4 year GAP between the trials when Jill was free to “spend time with her family” AND pretending like Jill and Leslie were willing to work for free. There was no more money by the second trial. Leslie threatened to quit if the judge did not let her get paid 250k with tax payer dollars and eventually accepted the 150K of tax payer money instead. Jill continued to work and the court dockets reflect she worked other cases during the second trial so that was a lie about her wanting time to spend with her family. Lyle demolished his entire defense with his lying and attempts to get witnesses to lie under oath for him. Juries do not evaluate proven liars well
I've always felt so much sympathy for the abuse they suffered; I think it was their actions afterwards that sealed their fate, not the killing of their abusive parents.
Duh!!! I mean they started this whole thing with a lie and fake crying… “somebody killed our parents!!!!” When you start off lying don’t be shocked when people don’t believe you! Had they told the truth the moment the police got there what happen that night things would have been different. They couldn’t do that because the truth was they did what they did for money and to get under Jose strict thumb. However they tried to cover up their crimes by making it look like it was a mifia hit because their dad was powerful man in the music industry. When that didn’t work they went to the abuse excuse.
lol some people here mad because Murphy didn't go for easy answers... They literally portrayed all the awful abuse towards the boys and Kitty. If anything, Murphy showed that Jose was a scary psycho who changed according to circumstances, when the change fit his agenda. He only started to be 'better' when he decided that he had to make it in politics himself, because 'the boys were disappointment' but the 'change' was superficial, exactly as sociopaths act, it's literally in the show. On the other hand, Murphy also asks interesting questions that blind cheerleaders of the brothers don't want to answer, but we need to ask this, as even if your side is sure you are 10000% right, it's not that simple. The only truth we know for sure in this case is that we really don't know what happened there, inside this house for all these years, yes, there was abuse and control by Jose part, and it is shown brutally on the show, but the fact is, there were also lies and sociopathic behaviors of the boys, and literally other part of their family also said it. This family is to this day divided between believing them vs not believing them, and THAT'S a FACT. If you wanted Murphy to just brainlessly repeat one side of the story, you actually don't understand what makes great TV, and what actually is close to real life - life is always complex, truth is complex in cases like this, and this is what Murphy portrays brilliantly. He asks questions and doesn't give you easy answers, and for me, that was the most accurate portrayal of this whole awful case. Also, two things can exist together. They were abused, and Murphy& co literally showed this, but they were also very, very disturbed young men because they were products of their sick and toxic environment, and Murphy also showed this absolutely brilliantly! For me, it is finally balanced, analytic on a deep level, traumatic, and an excellent show about this case! And Javier Bardem as Jose is absolutely terrifying! He is an abusive sadist in this, so idk what are you talking about!
i agreee, its a great show. the fans are making a big deal about Lyle being portrayed as "evil" but i didnt see that at all...I mean he is a disturbed person obviously, killied his parents? but murphy also shows the abused they suffered, how controling the father was etc.
I AGREE 100 percent and that is why the TWO juries at the first trial could not agree to let them off on a manslaughter charge instead of first degree AFTER 16 DAYS of deliberations. Nobody KNOWS what went on in that house besides the people who LIVED there and the FACT is the live in maids testified under oath they never saw or heard any signs of abuse, Lyle testified he never knew about Jose and Erik and vice versa, and both brothers testified the mom likely did not know. It is impossible all that abuse went on and nobody knew anything but it certainly is possible for people to LIE like the brothers who are proven liars that lied and fake cried to police numerous times, family, friends, and news reporters
I did think the series as a whole didn't justify the 9-episode length. That being said, I actually appreciated the series (without any warning) was willing to go back and forth in showing members of the Menendez family as both victims and monsters. To this day, the case is pretty divisive and the show does a good job reflecting that. It's not taking sides.
What the?!…. You covering this series on Netflix was not on my bingo card. What a fun surprise. Now I’ll check this out! Thanks Paul & the gang. Have a great weekend! ☮️
Ep 5 of this miniseries is some of the most fascinating and awesome television I've ever seen. The whole episode is like - or is? - one long take. Incredible. (would love if others know more about this)
I totally agree and felt exactly the same after watching it... Just WOW!!! 50+ minutes in 1 long take without any camera movement, just focussed on Eric recounting the abuse he suffered... His lawyer is in the scene opposite him, but you only see her back for 50 minutes! And yet it's super intense, impossible to look away... All down to a perfext script and some truly amazing acting by Cooper Koch.... I was blown away by it... Literally saying WOW at least 3 times when the episode was finished...
What many people don’t understand is that when children are systematically abused like this, they don’t turn into logical sensible people. So yes, Baba Wawa, you are correct…their behavior was definitely odd and unhealthy. They were messed up people. Of course they were. So many people passing judgement, who have no clue what that kind of abuse does to you. It’s discouraging that people aren’t able to make any attempt to understand what it might be like to grow up in that kind of horror show. Had they not been raped and controlled for years, they never would’ve killed anyone.
Exactly! They didn't have normal experiences, ofc you can NEVER be a completely normal person after that kind of trauma and abuse - but they tried their best and now they seem to have become better people. Many victims who are abused have escape fantasies, and since this happened in America, where you just too easily can buy a gun, and it was the 80's where people couldn't seek mental help in the same way.
I cannot believe how so many people write here that Murphy didn't portray the abuse angle enough, and that he showed the parents in a good light. What?! Nonsense! We obviously watched a different show! This show is absolutely brilliant, just as Dahmer's show was, and the portrayal of Jose Menendez is downright terrifying! Javier Bardem is an absolutely amazing actor, that role was brilliantly written and acted!! Jose is portrayed as a terrifying sadist & abuser, and together with Kitty's collaboration, the whole situation in this house is shown to be hell on Earth! So idk what people here watched, and what are they talking about! It was an absolutely brilliant portrayal, complex, and analytic on a deep level, of an awful, toxic family, the breakdown of the marriage, and the complete breakdown of dreams. All the actors were fantastic, but Bardem seriously needs to get a Golden Globe, Emmy & other nominations, he was scary af in this role!
Now I just watched the Menendez + Menudo documentary on Peacock. .. OMG. Their Dad was an entertainment exec and with all the abuse stories, MeToo, etc. coming out lately. . . possibly tied to their case
Agreed, I watched it also and I always Knew there was more to the story. And I'm 50, Menudo was my generation and I thought it was weird that the boys were Replaced so often. But we know now Pedos have age preferences.
it was a brilliant show that portrayed complex reality that we will NEVER know for sure, no matter what some childish, blind Menendez cheerleaders say! It painted all the perspectives possible - the public perception at first at the beginning of the show which was a brilliant choice, the boys' perspective, the lawyers' experiences, etc. And it absolutely showed brutal abuse in that house. I mean Javier Bardem in this role terrified me more than in the role of Anton Chigurh in No Country for the Old Man! He deserves all the awards for this role, he was just a pure, scary, unpredictable psychopath in this!! All the people who have doubts - I recommend you watch it for Bardem's acting alone, although it has many brutal, disturbing scenes!
Just an opinion here...Mabe they had so much rage from all the trauma they went through if it's true and just lost it as they didn't know how else to stop or deal with shame plus ignorance of resources and scared cuz their dad was powerful etc...still not right what they did but I know if the abuse was true their dad would have denied it and put them through hell or killed them etc if they did leave or go to cops
Gotta hand it to Ryan Murphy, he did an excellent job with this and so did the two actors playing Lyle and Erik- I mean they were incredible. But boy was this an emotional ride. I come from the camp of fully believing the boys did it. I wasn’t alive during the first trial. And so it wasn’t until I did my research and the “confession” from the former menudo singer, that I started to think maybe they were really victims of something horrible in that house. But then learning there is a tape with Lyle admitting to making it all up, for me, sadly that’s what you can’t come back from. The only thing that gives me a pause is the menudo confession, but it’s hard when you also know Lyle confessed to making it up, bragged about fooling the jury, and Erik writing a screenplay about killing his parents for money. I know a lot of people want to believe they were abused, but evil people CAN and DO lie about things we’d think just cross the line all the time…especially if their back is against the wall. I think Ryan got it right. They did that in cold blood.
Despite the abuse, they did kill their parents in cold blood. Premaditaded murder. Life without parole is what you get in the us@. A woman who suffers from domestic violence and kills her husband is going to get that same sentence! If they get released then all cases like this one has to be reviewed! C'mon!
I thought they did it back then for the money and after watching the series, I still think the did it for the money. Who spends $750K on random chit and investments on the heels of their parents murders?
i absolutely hated the show, they misplaced everything on purpose, they were trying to condom them, putting the dad in that positive light when we know from other people's testimonies the dad was a nightmare, he was never even good to his wife let alone the kids. i hated it. the show just couldn't make up its mind about which side to tell, on the one hand, they accept some of the sexual abuse even saying Jose himself was abused then they make the entire show word for word how Ozeil and Creg say it happened, not once was the brother's account of stuff portrayed
I think the show left me conflicted because it didn't take a stance, which was intentional, leaving viewers polarised just like the case does to this day. To say the boys side was never shown is a bit of a stretch since episode 5 was an intimate episode where Erik without interruption (cutting to other scenes) got to tell in detail what happened to him. We are also shown the Princeton expulsion from two POV's leaving it up to the viewer to decide for themselves. It is not the job of the show to choose a side, because it seems there is no clear "this is what happened".
The show gave different perspectives. Many things can be true at once, 1. The abuse, 2. The murder was premeditated and driven by money. Erik seemed to be fantasising about killing his parents for a while, him writing a screenplay, they probably wanted to get away from their controlling father but were so used to the lifestyle that they figured the only way to keep the lifestyle and get away from their father was to kill both their parents.
i don’t believe they were sane. abuse occurred. i think that if someone is in a sane state of mind you have the potential to be manipulated (especially by legal authorities) into defending yourself, getting a better deal. they obviously used their lies throughout the entirety of the case. why not blame the other sibling? no one will ever know the truth except them but those two were without a doubt trauma bonded by something…. extremely disturbing and i can’t wrap my head around any of it.
I can’t stand what Ryan Murphy did with this story. He twisted the real events into something they weren’t, sexualizing the relationship between the brothers and forcing a romantic angle that just wasn’t there. It’s not just weird; it’s downright disturbing. It feels like he turned a true story into a fictional drama just to create shock value and make money. By portraying the brothers as cold, aggressive narcissists with no remorse, he completely missed the reality of who they were. It’s clear he was more interested in creating a sensationalized narrative than respecting the actual events.
the way he tried to, not only force a romantic relationship between the two brothers, but also force the idea that erik is gay? baffled me. he has said numerous times he is not gay and it would make me feel terrible for people to be spreading that lie about me. (not bc im homophobic but because it's a lie)
I’m so glad you covered this. I almost missed it, I’ve been watching your channel for years and for some reason just saw that I’m not subscribed. Don’t know if RUclips had a glitch or what, but I resubscribed!
I was in middle school when this happened. No social media but the whole nation heard about it. It was all over the news and on front page of newspapers. Most people didn't believe their story
Wow, that story about the young boy from Menudo being raped by Jose is news to me. I was glued to the first trial. It was so sensational--I watched it for entertainment. Seeing this series makes me want to delve into the whole thing--like the book that was based on Lyle being recorded--when I saw the actors describing their horrific abuse, I found them to be so believable--EMMYS! I watched the clips of the two from back then and Terry Moran's description--the vein on Erik's head--how believable it was--it makes me think that Jose and Kitty are who the monsters are named for--it's fascinating.
I don’t see none though. They tried to manipulate the witnesses and came up with the victim card. They enjoyed killing their parents and these spoiled lunatics should never be released
It’s still has no relevance! If you are a twenty yr old and an 18 yr old …. And you have been abused .. by your parents .. you don’t hang around .. saying your afraid ! That BS! You leave … you don’t brutally murder … they were after the money…. And hoped the abuseexcuse would get them off …
@@jennifermcgrath8524 Well sexual abuse at that level for years will totally break a person, especially if the person abusing is your own father who is supposed to be your mentor… They had everything before the murder.
@@jennifermcgrath8524THANK YOU!! Idk why everyone feels so bad for these MEN like they were some young kids. They were 18 yrs old. People get abused unfortunately all the time, but they don’t kill their parents. They could’ve just left. They were troublesome from the start.
Also, Kitty studied communications in college but ended up teaching for a while until becoming a stay at home mother. I haven't seen any evidence that she worked in the field of journalism. It is documented that she aspired to be an actress.
That interview seems a bit weird. They had admitted they did it, and their defence was/is-though contested-that their parents had seriously damaged them (like, seriously)... why then, would she think they would be in so much grief? I mean, they did say they felt bad, but why would you, from a third party perspective, assume they would be grieving for their abusers? If what they allege had happened to them had happened to her, would she feel grief, that they were dead, or relief? I would suggest most people would feel a sense of relief, and probably spend lots of money.
They didn't dispute the word 'grief'. They could have said, "No, Barbara, it wasn't grief." They didn't. Probably because they hadn't discussed beforehand how to respond if she asked an unexpected question that didn't fit their narrative.
4:00 caught them lying here. Even when it was already clear, that they killed their parents, Lyle still tried to play the "first version" of the story, where the shopping spree was some sort of a "grief mechanism". That could be the case if they didn't kill their parents. But they did. They were also not that traumatised until they got caught. All of this "abuse" thing started right after Leslie Abramson, who was famously known for claiming the same story stepped in. Nope, I don't trust them. She trained them well though.
A man who was a singer and 13 years old came forward after he got older and he made the 13 year old do what they claimed in their testimony, he came forward a year ago. How can he have the same story. RCA is a big record label back then
Honestly it was always said in the discussions and promotions of this show that it was going to be an overdramatization of the story. I even saw where they wanted viewers to second guess who the real monsters are. So I was not surprised that they made both the brothers and parents appear as the villians and victims at time during the series. People are mad but there is a TON of dialogue taken directly from the trial, the taped sessions, and Lyle's phone calls. It's tons of videos of the original stuff on YT.
the ensemble of outstanding actors portraying the menendez family all deserve trophies, honors, accolades, the works for their riveting perfomances. overall, the 9-part series depicted several varying perspectives: the defense side, state prosecutors and court of public opinion. what shocked me is how a mistrial was declared for first round due to the judge's bias. same judge rejected their child abuse testimonies and none of it was permitted in second trial... and, THAT alone is a shocking travesty of justice! There's a habeas to reconsider life with no parole sentence, plus more new corroborative evidence has surfaced.This cultural phenom of a disturbing case is still not over yet.
I think money was definitely involved, but this was much deeper. To kill your parents with that level of vile! Saying it was because they wanted to make it look like a mafia hit, possible but not likely. There's a million other ways they could have accomplished their goal. This was driven out of anger and hatred that an unthinkable level. You don't do that just for money! However, there's no excuse for what they did!
Except the fact that he's totally crazy about a movie where they kill their parents for money and later writing a screenplay about just that, yeah... Sounds legit :D They had plenty of time to think about it and many times to go ahead with it or not... They chose shotguns because that's what they could buy without a problem... You are thinking too much of them. They wanted to murder their parents and thought about it long and hard and just grabbed whatever would do the job... They are cold blooded killers and they are lying sociopaths who are exactly where they belong. The only facts are that they are convicted first degree murderers. Erik said many times that they were " the perfect murders". You don't just do perfect murders, you plan them... And given how sloppy they were with it, they are not the brightest of the bunch. They had a good defense that was entirely created at character assassinations of people who were dead by their hands... That would mean that with no proof and just my testimony. I could kill you, claim I was abused by you and my testimony alone with no other proof would be enough to set me free? Nah... They planned, killed and lied about murdering 2 people. Regardless of what they did, that's life without parole...
This is a nice overview of the Netflix show but your title is misleading. You’re not comparing it to real life, you’re just summarizing what happened on the Netflix show.
I agree. that scene in the kitchen was campy and over the top. But as silly as it was on the Netflix show, try to consider this: In real life, the defense actually put this incident in their official timeline of events! That's right, the smoking gun that set off this whole chain reaction leading to double murder began with the mother ripping off Lyle's toupee. That's one of the silliest, most ridiculous and contrived explanations to come up with in a murder trial. That's something you would see on an episode of Melrose Place or in a John Hugh's film. But yeah, they tried to pass this off as official record with a straight face.🤣 Considering that the defendants were putting their victims on trial in the first place, this was quite a new level of audacity.
Funny enough, so many things happened in this show that I constantly found myself questioning what was true and what wasn't. I do remember several news stories over the decades covering this, as well as broadcast television versions of this biography, but this is the first time where I could not trust any characters to give me straight answers. Due to that I wound up really enjoying it
The series is a drama for entertainment, not a documentary. But there is a documentary coming to Netflix very soon featuring the brothers that might be a better insight.
I will always be disgusted by how this case was handled. Lyle's prosecutor, Pam Bozanich, argued that "men could not be raped, because they lack the necessary equipment to be raped”. Yep, that’s an actual quote this idiot presented to the jury 😒😒😒 Parents are suppose to protect their children at all costs, kitty and Jose just cared about image and didn’t care about their kids at all. The ACTUAL trial depicts an accurate account of the events. Unlike Ryan Murphy’s and Netflix’s shitty attempt at a biopic. It was self defense, and i will ALWAYS stand by that. If they didn’t kill their parents, Jose would have 100 percent had both of them killed and made it look like an accident because that’s just how powerful, rich and narcissistic he was.
100% self defense. I was talking about the case with my brother and we both agreed that we would do the same to protect each other in a situation like theirs. Thank God we have good parents.
Your comment is 100 percent unintelligent and biased. The brothers had to PROVE imminent fear of BOTH parents for an imperfect self-defense theory and there is NO evidence or even testimony from the brothers depicting imminent fear of their mother yet plenty of evidence proves the opposite. In terms of the prosecutor’s opinions 40 plus years ago do you expect her to have a magical reader that told her how people think present day. Back then society at large thought the only way for a man to be R was by a group or if he was gay and liked being a bottom because no man would allow another solo man to R him since a man does not have a box ie a man has to use something that is NOT biologically designed for that which would cause tremendous pain and in most cases not be physically possible as the man or boy gets older in age unless his mind was a gay man and liked it or learned to like it. Furthermore, there would be corroboration of third party witnesses attesting to hearing or seeing the R like the live in maids and Erik’s testimony would have been much different about this. Erik said he only said no ONCE. Does that mean all the other times was consensual? How was Erik able to take it Lyle never heard anything and both brothers said their mother likely did not know when her bedroom was across the hall in ALL three houses (NJ, Calabasas, and BH)? That simply is NOT possible. The brothers were telling lies mixed in with some truths and a liar can never win over an entire jury because everyone does NOT let their emotions override irrefutable facts, timelines, lack of corroboration, the defendant’s actions not matching their words, and common sense
@@x3danimatosSelf-defense AGAINST WHAT? Two parents chillin, watching tv, and eating in a CLOSED door den? The parents needed self-defense against the MONSTERS that barged in that room firing rounds at them!
@@S.Blonde the parents were monsters as well. Their killers were created by them. The way they abused those boys, I can see how this was their only option... so monsters raised by monsters.
@@x3danimatos Murder is NEVER the “only option” and certainly NOT a legal option. These were both brothers with numerous prior felonies of burglary, identity theft, etc. The parents had no criminal history, clean records, and in their OWN home in a CLOSEd door den watching tv. A closed door meant leave them alone. “The way they abused those boys” is a phrase only someone with the ability to victimize grown men as boys would say who purposefully IGNORED what the brothers actually testified in order to conjure a fictitious story and all common sense. They said what they said. They were grown men. If Lyle said his abuse stopped at 11 then that is what he said. If Erik said his abuse was only from Jose as an adult and his mother had not abused him as a teen or as an adult then he said what he said.
Part of the problem is the boys could have just left. They were no longer kids. The other problem I think was true back then is when they mentioned in the first trial that boys could not be abused. The juror also said the e men on the jury didn't like their lawyer. She was not timid person. i think it was because of her that they didn't get found guilty the first time. I think she did a good job defending them. The riots in 1992, and OJ I think really did have an effect on the outcome. The DA's office needed a win. Also, the public as they said in the series were over them. It had been some years, and they were old news.
@@manuelayala926 But aside from aunts and cousins, they don't have any one to talk with. It like going to Boarding School and you have no friends or anyone to call brother in school.
I have so many questions.. I've watched the new series on Netflix... I feel like jose won't S..assualt both of them.. because he was also se.. assaulted by his mother.. I mean why would he do this to his children. I feel like they were just spoiled brats who were just greedy..jose might be a strict parent which definitely wants perfect children.. which made both of them mad at some point of time .. Talking about mother that's not much of a valid reason to kill her with so much brutality..
So I think they were just furious about getting out from the will . And shaped their testimony as se. Assaulted by the jose.. ofcourse lawyer would've told them to do that
@@incoming-bud7155Not only have more victims come forward claiming Jose also SA them, they did tell random people thru the years. The throat injury Erik had that the show showed could’ve happened by a popsicle when older actually happened when he was a child and is the type of injury they now train Drs to look out for as a sign of CSA. Kitty absolutely knew what was going on, she would turn the tv volume all the way up when it was happening & did tell other children not to enter the room when Jose was in there with his son. There’s witnesses (not just family members) to corroborate all of this, it’s just that the 2nd trial judge ruled no claims of SA could be said until the penalty phase, basically after they were found guilty.
I think this is my favorite Ryan Murphy show. Usually his shows lose its momentum. But this managed, for once, to stay great. Loved Dahmer. But I hope these brothers get out.
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Sexual abuse that even of minors is unforgivable and resisting that is self defense.
This show took me by surprise...the 2 guys playing the brothers were phenomenal no matter what emotion they were portraying and Javier Bardem is an Icon and so scary in this 😅 I kept thinking the one older brother was Sebastian Stan!
Episode 5! One shot of full monologue and emotional acting is just.... that's emmy winning shiz!
Perfectly said
I thought the same 😂 was a phenomenal show
The older brother also looks like Drew van Acker
@@catsadilla324bruhh I said this is all 1 shot 😮
I think the show did a good job at showing how everything was transpiring at THAT time… the show seemed split on showing them as victims vs monsters just how back then everyone was split on believing them as victims and monsters.
It should have been called Victims and Monsters
Everyone back then knew they were monsters. It’s only recently that some people (mostly Zoomers who weren’t around) think they might be victims. Casey Anthony and Yolanda Saldivar also have documentaries trying to trick Zoomers into thinking they were innocent
@@jonwinder1861 ? No. With a title like “monsters” it’s basically up to the viewer to decipher if the parents are the monsters, or if the kids are the monsters. We actually don’t know which is which
@@freelikeyve ? Yes. Because at the end of the day there are victims and there are monsters in this story. It's up to the viewer to decipher who the victims and monsters are in this story between the parents and the sons.
@@jonwinder1861 after your explanation it appears we are basically saying the same thing, I think
The acting in this series is phenomenal.
The acting yes the accuracy of the story no
Every single actor was top tier
the man who played erik was AMAZING he needs an award
Dude... From top to bottom, the acting was insanely good. Even the closing attorney and juror lady and her replacement.... Even those "side" parts were phenomenal. I was very impressed with this series as a piece of historical art, or whatever you want to call it. Such a good series.
Sooooo good
I just watched a whole psychologist analyze the testimonies of sexual abuse from both brothers and he concluded that the way they told the stories and carried themselves through it was consistent with people who really were abused and had signs of PTSD. I believe the brothers went crazy with the money because they were trying to forget what they did and cope with the money spending. I believe they truly went through what they said they did, but I do not think how they handled it was oKay. Maybe they do have mental illness but I wouldn’t be surprised due to the trauma they could have been going through during childhood. Trauma stunts growth
For sure. The cinnamon sealed it for me. Little details like that can only come from the mind of a child.
But they were adults when they killed their parents. Why did they not just run away? Why did they lie to 911 and all the lies about mafia hit?
@@ChibiViolinI think i may have missed a part in this series, can you explain the cinnamon situation to me please?
@@Aliyah1290 Erik claimed that when he was a child he put cinnamon in his fathers coffee so that his ejaculate wouldn't taste as bad. He also claimed that he began to put lemon juice on his own food in an attempt to remove his sense of taste.
Well said. As a childhood sexual abuse survivor myself, I’ve watched their testimonies and it definitely is in the way they carry themselves and recall the events that makes me believe them. Thank you for pointing that out.
Javier Bardem probably gives one of his top 5 performances in Ep 6 when he monologues about his childhood.Utterly disturbing and heartbreaking at the same time
35 mins. One shot.
Also when Erik was in the stand, was great acting. Cuz the whole point was for him to look like he's acting. So hes an actor, playing a character that is supposed to look like he's acting. That's not easy.
@@davidm2031 there can be hidden edits in there too
Episode 5
I know it was AMAZING. This is so well made it sucks that it’s so insanely inaccurate
@@millana100 what about it ?
The abuse is not remotely contested. There are a bunch of family members that saw the abuse as well as boys outside of the family that were also abused by the dad. It is only contested by people who know nothing about the case.
Explains a lot
Yes, but it has to be proved in court. Unfortunately, the judge in the second case , did not allow this to be entered into the case
All made up by the defense. There are jail phone calls by Lyle where he asked numerous family members to lie and say the dad abused them
And that gives them the right to kill their parents?
Why did he tell the woman he had phone call conversations with that he was acting the crying
The sexual abuse was not allowed to be admitted in the second trial and when asked many jurors admitted afterward, had that been presented, it would have changed their verdict.
Appaling
@@blueblack3591 The only thing appalling is the murder of two people who spoiled their kids.
why should it have been? there was no physical abuse of secual abuse just murders testimony
@monumental_tv when even dozens of their extended family support the two boys, that tells me all i need to know about these "parents".
@@zoe6353 dozens did not say the sexually abused they said the father was abusive and aggressive. But lets say they did abuse them. Are u still sayin what they did is excusable and like they were not old enough to know they should have went to the cops and not premeditated murder?
80% of the news in the 90s was this, OJ, Tanya Harding and Bobbit.
Dhamer too no? ion remember his timeline atm
Oh and the Olympics
Bobbit yes that was a huge story
Yeah, you can add Jeffrey Dahmer, JonBenet Ramsey and Pamela Smart.
David corresh
2 actors were fantastic.
they absolutely crushed it. 👌
They did an amazing job!
Javier as the dad was also great. And the therapist.
Agree they act soooo good!
Javier Barden was great with the Cuban accent too. He’s from Spain and his original Spanish accent is pretty thick but he did it great! And his whole acting too of course. He was so scary.
As I was watching episode 5 with Erik / Cooper Koch telling his abuse story, I was thinking this guy deserves an Emmy just for this, then at the end as the camera does a closeup on his face as he looks at his lawyer with a look, of wondering if she believes his story. Also, Javier Bardem as Jose their father, I mean I have thought he was phenomenal since seeing him play the Villain in No Country for Old Men. I go back and forth believing their story, then when Lyle is giving his story to over the prison phone, I was thinking she's going to write a book, and this makes him look like a psychopath. Also him asking people to make up a story about his dad assaulting them as well. Great the way they told the story from several POVs, the brothers, the witnesses, the spectators, the parents via family and counseling sessions.
Just finished this series and already predict Emmys for Javier and Cooper
I don’t understand why Netflix had to make Erik gay? When he explicitly said he wasn’t. Just because someone is molested doesn’t mean they turn gay like damn.
No but he did end up having a s3xual relationship with a boy which is mentioned a few times through out the series. Implying that's why eric wanted them gone because his parents found out about the boy
@@ur_dad_was_here_xo no, I'm talking about real life, you didn't read my comment. If a person says they aren't gay you can't change their sexuality. It's also a double standard if you think about it.
@@ur_dad_was_here_xo and he wanted them gone because they sexualy abused him and his brother, like hello?
That’s true, however it’s an extremely common thing for victims of same sex child molestation to have conflicted feelings on their orientation. Often times, it almost feels like they were never given the option to choose what they liked, but grew to tolerate it or see it as their preference. It’s an absolute strip of power that affects you mentally and I know from experience.
@@iyaniole6010 its a stigma that every person that gets molested turns gay. It’s disrespectful to gay people, and SA survivors. You can be gay without being sexually assaulted, that doesn’t determine your sexuality. It’s also quite disrespectful to change a living person’s sexuality when you’re tryna tell their story, especially such an important one. Erik himself pointed out how offensive it is to imply that sexual abuse turns someone gay. He clarified that he himself is not gay, and such assumptions about abuse victims are harmful and misleadingHeres also what the brothers had to say about it: "The prosecutor brought that up because I was sexually molested and he felt in his own thinking that if I was sodomised by my father that I must have enjoyed it and therefore I must be gay.”
He continued: “And people that are gay out there must be sexually molested or they wouldn’t be. It was upsetting to hear, but I am not gay. But a lot of gay people write and feel connected to me.” Lyle then added: "A problem at the trial was the gender bias, that because they were dealing with males and an incest family ... there was this perception that maybe it was something that he wanted, something that he allowed to happen."
Another said: "I don’t understand how in the show Eric is portrayed as essentially a gay man while in all the interviews with him he clearly states that he’s not. I know the creator Ryan Murphy is gay and maybe he preferred that narrative? But shouldn’t it stay close to reality? Confusing."
I JUST CRIED REAL TEARS ON THE LAST EPISODE AT THE END WHEN THEY SEPARATE THEM, THAT WAS SO EMOTIONAL.
😢same
Serves them right 😂
I just finished it, and I feel so sad and depressed for everybody.
Whether we agree to the ending or not, it is still sad all around.
Same. I couldn’t believe I was crying.
The genious part of the series is how it starts like a rich spoiled dudes cray cray light story and makes a phenomenal turn in the episode 5 (that I consider Oscar and Emmy award worthy for both actors, director, dialogue) and moves on to become PHENOMENAL INCREDIBLE SERIES.I m currently going all in the rabbit hole trying to figure out what the hell happened like….really 😮❤
Yasss, Episode 5 was such a heartbreaking masterpiece 💔 Give Cooper Koch an award 🌟
You could see it coming tho. The multiple “I love you” and kissing during episode 1 & 2. I suspect it was something coming
@@3a5859 what happened is they were abused and then decided to kill their parents. Both are awful. Being abused doesn’t give you the right to spend weeks planning a double murder and then go through with it. Especially as grown ups. They were not kids. They grown men when they decided to kill their parents
@@mssuperkawaiisaying yass on a video about !nicest and murder is wild…
Was that in one take? I swear the entire episode was one take. If not entire, the vast majority...I just kept watching wondering when they were going to change camera angle, and they never did. And the fact that the dude literally cried on command in the middle of that scene was amazing.
I grew up in LA when all this went down. Both can be true, they can be greedy teenagers and be afraid for their lives. I believe Lyle and Erik.
I don’t.
@@eshjanethat is sad smh 🤦🏻♂️
@@Wise_CrossBow It was the Mafia okay. Fool me once. 😂
ok ok lol@@q-_-p.d-_-b
@@Wise_CrossBowthey started this whole thing by lying!!! If it was true instead of trying to make it like a mafia hit and fake crying “somebody killed our parents” they would have came out with the truth on the night of the crime and told the cops what went down. They didn’t do that and tried to cover evidence.
From what I got out of what he was trying to do was show 3 solid angles that were or might be the most obvious. Because towards the middle, I was a little confused, but then I noticed it was 3 different ways to tell their story, the parents & the public, if that makes sense.
this! it is a brilliant show that portrays the reality from the all angels possible, the only way fair, period!
yep. that's correct. i still dont know which story to believe. there's probably some truth in each version...
Agree the last few episodes it just felt confused. Like he doesn’t want to be on the boys’ side he doesn’t want to be on the media’s side he doesn’t want to be on the parents’ side as to not upset anyone on the other sides. I couldn’t tell if he believed the boys or not
I believe the brothers were horribly, unspeakably abused.
Yes....
Gullible
Why?
@tomlee982 they made it up to avoid death penalty? They bring it up after allll this time, not to their therapist. Their defense lawyer has a habit of using the defense to get her clients off, the spending spree etc like come onnn they were spoiled and wanted MONEY it's simple
@Faltzerbeast90 I was asking why that guy thinks they was abused, I'm not stupid, they are literally on the phone saying they was lying, I think people just either are thick or just fancy them.
The 2 guys that played the brothers look like a young Christian Bale and James Franco. They did such a good job.
Like a young Tom Hanks
I felt like the actor who played Lyle looks so much like a young Matthew Lawrence that I thought it was him and then realised it can't be as he is way older now.
@@Gibtrickz Yes!! I thought this the whole way through watching too! I wanted to Google him but waited until the end so I didn’t spoil the series.
@@Gibtrickzagreed. Young Lawrence Brother for Nicholas. And a young Mads Mikelson for Cooper.
I thought James Franco too !!!
From everything I’ve seen from Ryan Murphy adding fictional homosexual undertones to factual stories seems to be a common theme
Explain. Cause Dahmer was gay, Erik is a down low kid.
Now if next season with Ed Gein shows him being gay then you have something here…
But these first two stories involve homosexual activities rather wanted or not…
I think you just don’t like gays amigo…
@@Sneakerhead2013 the real erik never said he was gay.. that’s why Ryan Murphy over exaggerating those things was out of sorts. Also including incest behavior with the brothers was strictly for dramatic effect
@@ebortzyeah it was so gross .
I was confused after watching the series as it seemed to portray that Lyle came up with the idea of the sexual abuse story and got Erik to play along at trial, but if you watch the real trial their testimonies both seem very raw and genuine.
Yeah, the netflix show was terrible.
It was only entertainment, but NOT the true story. Lyle was portrayed as a psychopathic lunatic. So unfair.
This was just to show you that they brought you to one side to feel sorry for them and in the end people have been deceived with their lies and it is in fact that they lied and all the phone calls made in prison is what made them guilty which is true as well, so whether how nice they were or not the facts are still facts dramatizing their story. THEY LIED. Yes, it’s just you feeling sorry so you shouldn’t
@@barbarabreunis7788yea and they made Erik seem like he was secretly gay…. Talking about him being in love and having sex with one of his friends… and the gay scene in jail.
Why do you think they was abused?
@@JeffG03Eric could have been interested in men , he was after all touch by a male.
This season was a bit lighter and less eerie, really loved how they portrayed both sides of the kids and parents. It really made me feel conflicted. I feel like they definitely deserved some time in prison but idk if they derserved this long of a sentence.
The show is heavily fictionalized. Some of the events are completely untrue - like the reason why Jill Lansing left the case. She left because she had a young daughter who she was missing out on. She used to bring the daughter to her sessions with Lyle and the little girl adored Lyle. Lyle used to call her "Jilly". She also stayed on for a while long to prepare the new lawyers that were coming in, she didn't just bolt like that.
Kids ??? They were both adults at the time
@@xxwhispersxx2856You are pretending like there was not an almost 4 year GAP between the trials when Jill was free to “spend time with her family” AND pretending like Jill and Leslie were willing to work for free. There was no more money by the second trial. Leslie threatened to quit if the judge did not let her get paid 250k with tax payer dollars and eventually accepted the 150K of tax payer money instead. Jill continued to work and the court dockets reflect she worked other cases during the second trial so that was a lie about her wanting time to spend with her family. Lyle demolished his entire defense with his lying and attempts to get witnesses to lie under oath for him. Juries do not evaluate proven liars well
@@999nnr Erik was 18 at the time, legally an adult in only certain situations. They were the KIDS of their abusive parents.
@@LisaCatLady great more coddling
I've always felt so much sympathy for the abuse they suffered; I think it was their actions afterwards that sealed their fate, not the killing of their abusive parents.
Well said
Why do you think they got abused.
Duh!!! I mean they started this whole thing with a lie and fake crying… “somebody killed our parents!!!!”
When you start off lying don’t be shocked when people don’t believe you!
Had they told the truth the moment the police got there what happen that night things would have been different. They couldn’t do that because the truth was they did what they did for money and to get under Jose strict thumb. However they tried to cover up their crimes by making it look like it was a mifia hit because their dad was powerful man in the music industry. When that didn’t work they went to the abuse excuse.
The 6th Episode, The Hurtman...is one of the best made and acted episode in recent TV history.
Facts
Factss
The single shot slowly zooming in was so like.. moving .. like all of the attention was on eriks words and that’s what drove the episode.
They cast them brothers really well
is it just me but I feel like the actor who played Erik sounded exactly the same as the real Erik? the tone and the way he speaks is exactly the same!
Yes really good casting for him
The final song when they're separated, is haunting...
lol some people here mad because Murphy didn't go for easy answers... They literally portrayed all the awful abuse towards the boys and Kitty. If anything, Murphy showed that Jose was a scary psycho who changed according to circumstances, when the change fit his agenda. He only started to be 'better' when he decided that he had to make it in politics himself, because 'the boys were disappointment' but the 'change' was superficial, exactly as sociopaths act, it's literally in the show. On the other hand, Murphy also asks interesting questions that blind cheerleaders of the brothers don't want to answer, but we need to ask this, as even if your side is sure you are 10000% right, it's not that simple.
The only truth we know for sure in this case is that we really don't know what happened there, inside this house for all these years, yes, there was abuse and control by Jose part, and it is shown brutally on the show, but the fact is, there were also lies and sociopathic behaviors of the boys, and literally other part of their family also said it.
This family is to this day divided between believing them vs not believing them, and THAT'S a FACT. If you wanted Murphy to just brainlessly repeat one side of the story, you actually don't understand what makes great TV, and what actually is close to real life - life is always complex, truth is complex in cases like this, and this is what Murphy portrays brilliantly. He asks questions and doesn't give you easy answers, and for me, that was the most accurate portrayal of this whole awful case.
Also, two things can exist together. They were abused, and Murphy& co literally showed this, but they were also very, very disturbed young men because they were products of their sick and toxic environment, and Murphy also showed this absolutely brilliantly! For me, it is finally balanced, analytic on a deep level, traumatic, and an excellent show about this case! And Javier Bardem as Jose is absolutely terrifying! He is an abusive sadist in this, so idk what are you talking about!
i agreee, its a great show. the fans are making a big deal about Lyle being portrayed as "evil" but i didnt see that at all...I mean he is a disturbed person obviously, killied his parents? but murphy also shows the abused they suffered, how controling the father was etc.
I AGREE 100 percent and that is why the TWO juries at the first trial could not agree to let them off on a manslaughter charge instead of first degree AFTER 16 DAYS of deliberations. Nobody KNOWS what went on in that house besides the people who LIVED there and the FACT is the live in maids testified under oath they never saw or heard any signs of abuse, Lyle testified he never knew about Jose and Erik and vice versa, and both brothers testified the mom likely did not know. It is impossible all that abuse went on and nobody knew anything but it certainly is possible for people to LIE like the brothers who are proven liars that lied and fake cried to police numerous times, family, friends, and news reporters
Dividing opinions are simply the best thing when it comes to TV shows
Was the part of making it look like they had an incestuous relationship good too?
@@chatolo1yeah where did that come from?
Oh man the last episode when they separated the brothers almost really had me going especially with the song they played😢😮
It's....a....tragedy for me to see, the dream is overrrrr.....lol ...
I did think the series as a whole didn't justify the 9-episode length. That being said, I actually appreciated the series (without any warning) was willing to go back and forth in showing members of the Menendez family as both victims and monsters. To this day, the case is pretty divisive and the show does a good job reflecting that. It's not taking sides.
What the?!…. You covering this series on Netflix was not on my bingo card. What a fun surprise. Now I’ll check this out! Thanks Paul & the gang. Have a great weekend! ☮️
Keep in mind that the show is heavily fictionalized. There are some events that are downright untrue - like the reasons why the lawyer left the case.
@@xxwhispersxx2856 cool, thanks for the heads up
lol...what? He's covered tons of shows like this and tons of Netflix shows
all actors are soooo good!
It will make you take sides.
Javier Bardem is smth else in this show... I couldn't sleep after watching this show
Why you couldn’t sleep?
lmaooo
@@dennispineda2293 joke question?
Ep 5 of this miniseries is some of the most fascinating and awesome television I've ever seen. The whole episode is like - or is? - one long take. Incredible. (would love if others know more about this)
I totally agree and felt exactly the same after watching it... Just WOW!!! 50+ minutes in 1 long take without any camera movement, just focussed on Eric recounting the abuse he suffered... His lawyer is in the scene opposite him, but you only see her back for 50 minutes! And yet it's super intense, impossible to look away... All down to a perfext script and some truly amazing acting by Cooper Koch.... I was blown away by it... Literally saying WOW at least 3 times when the episode was finished...
@@petervolkaerts9515it’s 35 minutes
agree with u
wow i didnt even realize the whole episode was just that!
Exactly that was a little different… I’ve never seen that before in a movie or show….. it was a masterpiece
What many people don’t understand is that when children are systematically abused like this, they don’t turn into logical sensible people. So yes, Baba Wawa, you are correct…their behavior was definitely odd and unhealthy. They were messed up people. Of course they were. So many people passing judgement, who have no clue what that kind of abuse does to you.
It’s discouraging that people aren’t able to make any attempt to understand what it might be like to grow up in that kind of horror show.
Had they not been raped and controlled for years, they never would’ve killed anyone.
Exactly… right on. They deserve sympathy
Exactly! They didn't have normal experiences, ofc you can NEVER be a completely normal person after that kind of trauma and abuse - but they tried their best and now they seem to have become better people.
Many victims who are abused have escape fantasies, and since this happened in America, where you just too easily can buy a gun, and it was the 80's where people couldn't seek mental help in the same way.
Barbara Walter’s doesn’t age well on the majority of her interviews but maybe that’s just my opinion 🤷🏻♀️
It's just your opinion. In fact, I don't even think she gave much thought to these killers after granting them their interview.
I agree. She’s condescending and biased. I don’t care for her. She’s not really likable.
I agree with you!
@@sassieroverShe’s dead!
Barbara Walters was ALWAYS horrid!
I cannot believe how so many people write here that Murphy didn't portray the abuse angle enough, and that he showed the parents in a good light. What?! Nonsense! We obviously watched a different show! This show is absolutely brilliant, just as Dahmer's show was, and the portrayal of Jose Menendez is downright terrifying! Javier Bardem is an absolutely amazing actor, that role was brilliantly written and acted!! Jose is portrayed as a terrifying sadist & abuser, and together with Kitty's collaboration, the whole situation in this house is shown to be hell on Earth! So idk what people here watched, and what are they talking about! It was an absolutely brilliant portrayal, complex, and analytic on a deep level, of an awful, toxic family, the breakdown of the marriage, and the complete breakdown of dreams. All the actors were fantastic, but Bardem seriously needs to get a Golden Globe, Emmy & other nominations, he was scary af in this role!
well accourding to one them the show was inaccurate as well as the way they were protrayed
@@idefkatpyea he got that habit
@@idefkatp because it’s a dramatised series not a documentary. People need to understand that.
Ryan Murphy always get good actors! Look at American horror stories.
Some great acting on this series
I JUST CRIED REAL TEARS ON THE LAST EPISODE AT THE END WHEN THEY SEPARATE THEM, THAT WAS SO EMOTIONAL.
Now I just watched the Menendez + Menudo documentary on Peacock. .. OMG. Their Dad was an entertainment exec and with all the abuse stories, MeToo, etc. coming out lately. . . possibly tied to their case
Agreed, I watched it also and I always Knew there was more to the story. And I'm 50, Menudo was my generation and I thought it was weird that the boys were Replaced so often. But we know now Pedos have age preferences.
it was a brilliant show that portrayed complex reality that we will NEVER know for sure, no matter what some childish, blind Menendez cheerleaders say! It painted all the perspectives possible - the public perception at first at the beginning of the show which was a brilliant choice, the boys' perspective, the lawyers' experiences, etc. And it absolutely showed brutal abuse in that house. I mean Javier Bardem in this role terrified me more than in the role of Anton Chigurh in No Country for the Old Man! He deserves all the awards for this role, he was just a pure, scary, unpredictable psychopath in this!! All the people who have doubts - I recommend you watch it for Bardem's acting alone, although it has many brutal, disturbing scenes!
I’m watching the series right now and I’m enjoying it just like the first season. Can’t wait for season 3 about Ed Gein
Charlie Hunnam will be portraying Ed Gein, it's confirmed. Interesting casting.
@Jordashian93 that's weird I heard they were doing John Wayne Gacy next.... either would be great though
I was thinking this was going to be the prequel on the OJ trial coverage. That would have been a great spin off
I thought the MV songs and inclusion was intentional. Not a stretch, good catch.
I thought the music was phenomenal......
MV song was actually played by the brothers at their parents' funeral. I researched it because I thought it was too odd to be true. Fact.
this show had some of the best acting performances I've ever seen
It’s my opinion that by they aren’t being released because of the fact that they planned and afterwards covered the killings they committed.
Me too ,I think whether they're believed about the abuse or not, there were other mitigating factors like money
Well if you're being abused I'm pretty sure anyone fucked up enough will plan a murder
@@shedabelle8485 Gypsy Rose planned her mother’s murder. Should she be back in prison?
@@mandolyn no their wasnt lmfao the show inaccuate
@idefkatp lol I'm not going by the show. I remember when it happened, and there absolutely were
Just an opinion here...Mabe they had so much rage from all the trauma they went through if it's true and just lost it as they didn't know how else to stop or deal with shame plus ignorance of resources and scared cuz their dad was powerful etc...still not right what they did but I know if the abuse was true their dad would have denied it and put them through hell or killed them etc if they did leave or go to cops
Last time I came this early she left me 😔
Nice 😂😂😂
🤭
help💀💀
Barbera has no clue, she sickens me with her comment “You lost me” endure years of abuse and see how you feel.
Kinda wish Barbara Walters was still her to interview she went off and said what I was thinking everytime they talked.
Gotta hand it to Ryan Murphy, he did an excellent job with this and so did the two actors playing Lyle and Erik- I mean they were incredible.
But boy was this an emotional ride. I come from the camp of fully believing the boys did it. I wasn’t alive during the first trial. And so it wasn’t until I did my research and the “confession” from the former menudo singer, that I started to think maybe they were really victims of something horrible in that house. But then learning there is a tape with Lyle admitting to making it all up, for me, sadly that’s what you can’t come back from. The only thing that gives me a pause is the menudo confession, but it’s hard when you also know Lyle confessed to making it up, bragged about fooling the jury, and Erik writing a screenplay about killing his parents for money. I know a lot of people want to believe they were abused, but evil people CAN and DO lie about things we’d think just cross the line all the time…especially if their back is against the wall.
I think Ryan got it right. They did that in cold blood.
wtf is wrong with you
This is incorrect information - Lyle never confessed to making up the abuse allegation.
@@aylinnoelleits not a documentary. They made up some stuff for entertainment.
Despite the abuse, they did kill their parents in cold blood. Premaditaded murder. Life without parole is what you get in the us@. A woman who suffers from domestic violence and kills her husband is going to get that same sentence! If they get released then all cases like this one has to be reviewed! C'mon!
I thought they did it back then for the money and after watching the series, I still think the did it for the money. Who spends $750K on random chit and investments on the heels of their parents murders?
''girl im gonna miss you''
is the song they listened to before they killed their parents
That memorial with the milli vanilli song was hilarious. Also when the mom snatched his wig. 🤣
It’s funny that they played that song at their parents funeral? lol oook
@@1MelaninMonro3 yes, it’s absolutely funny. And on top of that, the scene was made intentionally comical to emphasise what a bizarre choice it was.
Lyle said years back that Milli Vanilli was his favorite group
and? Milli Vanilli was very popular back in the day. They sold lots of albums and records.
Im actually glad u told me this lol
@@radrobd123 you obviously didn't watch this video to the end
@@dizners I did. why?
No it was Jose’s favourite group.
I would like to say the actors did a great job!
i absolutely hated the show, they misplaced everything on purpose, they were trying to condom them, putting the dad in that positive light when we know from other people's testimonies the dad was a nightmare, he was never even good to his wife let alone the kids. i hated it. the show just couldn't make up its mind about which side to tell, on the one hand, they accept some of the sexual abuse even saying Jose himself was abused then they make the entire show word for word how Ozeil and Creg say it happened, not once was the brother's account of stuff portrayed
Right? And they for some reason turned Lyle into some comic book villian level of ‘bad’
Wtf was that?
"condom" them?
@@alexfroelich3404fr like some cartoon ass shit😭
@@alexfroelich3404 damn, sounds like you kids are in the minority
I think the show left me conflicted because it didn't take a stance, which was intentional, leaving viewers polarised just like the case does to this day. To say the boys side was never shown is a bit of a stretch since episode 5 was an intimate episode where Erik without interruption (cutting to other scenes) got to tell in detail what happened to him. We are also shown the Princeton expulsion from two POV's leaving it up to the viewer to decide for themselves. It is not the job of the show to choose a side, because it seems there is no clear "this is what happened".
Heads up, the thumbnail has Netflix over the real life Menendez brother.
26 seconds too late. It's the only reason I clicked on the video. 😉
@DonMachado me too. Their credibility is shot. Someone needs to be fired.
lol kill me, I made it at 5 in the morning
@@heavyspoilers It's all good, just thought I'd let you know lol
read this quickly and shot the person
Barbara walters a ruthless lol
Can't wait to see it! Watched the trial cases last week.
The show gave different perspectives. Many things can be true at once, 1. The abuse, 2. The murder was premeditated and driven by money. Erik seemed to be fantasising about killing his parents for a while, him writing a screenplay, they probably wanted to get away from their controlling father but were so used to the lifestyle that they figured the only way to keep the lifestyle and get away from their father was to kill both their parents.
i don’t believe they were sane. abuse occurred. i think that if someone is in a sane state of mind you have the potential to be manipulated (especially by legal authorities) into defending yourself, getting a better deal. they obviously used their lies throughout the entirety of the case. why not blame the other sibling? no one will ever know the truth except them but those two were without a doubt trauma bonded by something…. extremely disturbing and i can’t wrap my head around any of it.
Nice. Thanks for covering this.
I can’t stand what Ryan Murphy did with this story. He twisted the real events into something they weren’t, sexualizing the relationship between the brothers and forcing a romantic angle that just wasn’t there. It’s not just weird; it’s downright disturbing. It feels like he turned a true story into a fictional drama just to create shock value and make money. By portraying the brothers as cold, aggressive narcissists with no remorse, he completely missed the reality of who they were. It’s clear he was more interested in creating a sensationalized narrative than respecting the actual events.
the way he tried to, not only force a romantic relationship between the two brothers, but also force the idea that erik is gay? baffled me. he has said numerous times he is not gay and it would make me feel terrible for people to be spreading that lie about me. (not bc im homophobic but because it's a lie)
I’m so glad you covered this. I almost missed it, I’ve been watching your channel for years and for some reason just saw that I’m not subscribed. Don’t know if RUclips had a glitch or what, but I resubscribed!
The actor, Cooper Koch, who played Erik doesn't really look like him in real-life. He looked more like the young James Franco.
More like Tom hanks or Freddie prince jr
@@nellyville69 Penn Badgley, the dude from Gossip Girls and The Stepfather remake.
Sidenote: i looked away from my screen for a moment and when Erik was speaking I was impressed with how similar Cooper Koch sounded 😮
I remember this story being on unsolved mysteries 😬😮
I was in middle school when this happened. No social media but the whole nation heard about it. It was all over the news and on front page of newspapers. Most people didn't believe their story
@@ladyhotep5189there wasn't a lot of sympathy for victims of sexual assault back then. Most people do believe their story now
@@ladyhotep5189 yes it was so shocking like wow how could people do stuff like this
That's nice it was on unsolved mystery we don't know what happened in the house
Wow, that story about the young boy from Menudo being raped by Jose is news to me. I was glued to the first trial. It was so sensational--I watched it for entertainment. Seeing this series makes me want to delve into the whole thing--like the book that was based on Lyle being recorded--when I saw the actors describing their horrific abuse, I found them to be so believable--EMMYS! I watched the clips of the two from back then and Terry Moran's description--the vein on Erik's head--how believable it was--it makes me think that Jose and Kitty are who the monsters are named for--it's fascinating.
I think there is ample evidence of parental abuse.
I don’t see none though. They tried to manipulate the witnesses and came up with the victim card. They enjoyed killing their parents and these spoiled lunatics should never be released
It’s still has no relevance! If you are a twenty yr old and an 18 yr old …. And you have been abused .. by your parents .. you don’t hang around .. saying your afraid ! That BS! You leave … you don’t brutally murder … they were after the money…. And hoped the abuseexcuse would get them off …
@@jennifermcgrath8524 its so easy, kill someone and claim that the person you killed abused you.
Some peoples mind are so fcked up
@@jennifermcgrath8524 Well sexual abuse at that level for years will totally break a person, especially if the person abusing is your own father who is supposed to be your mentor…
They had everything before the murder.
@@jennifermcgrath8524THANK YOU!! Idk why everyone feels so bad for these MEN like they were some young kids. They were 18 yrs old. People get abused unfortunately all the time, but they don’t kill their parents. They could’ve just left. They were troublesome from the start.
Also, Kitty studied communications in college but ended up teaching for a while until becoming a stay at home mother. I haven't seen any evidence that she worked in the field of journalism. It is documented that she aspired to be an actress.
Yo at 4:50 his brother is looking at him like you told what!!!! 😂😂😂😂
That interview seems a bit weird. They had admitted they did it, and their defence was/is-though contested-that their parents had seriously damaged them (like, seriously)... why then, would she think they would be in so much grief? I mean, they did say they felt bad, but why would you, from a third party perspective, assume they would be grieving for their abusers? If what they allege had happened to them had happened to her, would she feel grief, that they were dead, or relief? I would suggest most people would feel a sense of relief, and probably spend lots of money.
They didn't dispute the word 'grief'. They could have said, "No, Barbara, it wasn't grief."
They didn't. Probably because they hadn't discussed beforehand how to respond if she asked an unexpected question that didn't fit their narrative.
This video also shows what a great job the two actors on Netflix did when it comes to portraying the real Menendez brothers, wow!
Also in episode 2, does anyone know if they cut out a scene or storyline?? I remember one of the brothers called a friend and it randomly got cut off.
Bardem not getting an Emmy for this is like De Niro being overlooked for an Oscar for Raging Bull.
4:00 caught them lying here. Even when it was already clear, that they killed their parents, Lyle still tried to play the "first version" of the story, where the shopping spree was some sort of a "grief mechanism". That could be the case if they didn't kill their parents. But they did. They were also not that traumatised until they got caught. All of this "abuse" thing started right after Leslie Abramson, who was famously known for claiming the same story stepped in. Nope, I don't trust them. She trained them well though.
What about the one of the menudo boys saying the dad sexually abused one of them
A man who was a singer and 13 years old came forward after he got older and he made the 13 year old do what they claimed in their testimony, he came forward a year ago. How can he have the same story. RCA is a big record label back then
He was abused by Jose
@@judithwilliams3147 ,it was the father, look it up
Honestly it was always said in the discussions and promotions of this show that it was going to be an overdramatization of the story. I even saw where they wanted viewers to second guess who the real monsters are. So I was not surprised that they made both the brothers and parents appear as the villians and victims at time during the series. People are mad but there is a TON of dialogue taken directly from the trial, the taped sessions, and Lyle's phone calls. It's tons of videos of the original stuff on YT.
I thought it was awesome. It's not meant be a documentary.
@judithwilliams3147 EXACTLY!!!!! And besides the brothers have a documentary coming out on Netflix in 2 weeks...
@@ChannySC02 do they. I will watch. Thanks.
Imagine being the Menendez's brothers watching Gypsy Rose being released out of prison when they'll never get that chance... unbelievable... 🤯
Their parents’ murder does not meet the legal Paul of self-defense. And by Paul I mean aka Definition.
The acting in this show was excellent! Javier Bardem killed it with a top tier performance
Lyle is such an ass in the series and in real life he doesn't seem like it so it is really annoying also his brother said that lyle is misrepresented
Great coverage. I'll definitely watch it now.
Cooper Koch breakout role.
“We’re just normal men” I didn’t think I would ever see that clip on your channel. Makes me crack up everytime. Cheers
they are
the ensemble of outstanding actors portraying the menendez family all deserve trophies, honors, accolades, the works for their riveting perfomances.
overall, the 9-part series depicted several varying perspectives: the defense side, state prosecutors and court of public opinion. what shocked me is how a mistrial was declared for first round due to the judge's bias. same judge rejected their child abuse testimonies and none of it was permitted in second trial... and, THAT alone is a shocking travesty of justice! There's a habeas to reconsider life with no parole sentence, plus more new corroborative evidence has surfaced.This cultural phenom of a disturbing case is still not over yet.
I think money was definitely involved, but this was much deeper. To kill your parents with that level of vile! Saying it was because they wanted to make it look like a mafia hit, possible but not likely. There's a million other ways they could have accomplished their goal. This was driven out of anger and hatred that an unthinkable level. You don't do that just for money! However, there's no excuse for what they did!
It was way more personal than money for sure.
Except the fact that he's totally crazy about a movie where they kill their parents for money and later writing a screenplay about just that, yeah... Sounds legit :D
They had plenty of time to think about it and many times to go ahead with it or not... They chose shotguns because that's what they could buy without a problem... You are thinking too much of them. They wanted to murder their parents and thought about it long and hard and just grabbed whatever would do the job... They are cold blooded killers and they are lying sociopaths who are exactly where they belong. The only facts are that they are convicted first degree murderers.
Erik said many times that they were " the perfect murders". You don't just do perfect murders, you plan them... And given how sloppy they were with it, they are not the brightest of the bunch. They had a good defense that was entirely created at character assassinations of people who were dead by their hands...
That would mean that with no proof and just my testimony. I could kill you, claim I was abused by you and my testimony alone with no other proof would be enough to set me free? Nah... They planned, killed and lied about murdering 2 people. Regardless of what they did, that's life without parole...
This is a nice overview of the Netflix show but your title is misleading. You’re not comparing it to real life, you’re just summarizing what happened on the Netflix show.
The wig scenes 😂😂😂😂😂
Chill😭😭
I agree. that scene in the kitchen was campy and over the top. But as silly as it was on the Netflix show, try to consider this: In real life, the defense actually put this incident in their official timeline of events! That's right, the smoking gun that set off this whole chain reaction leading to double murder began with the mother ripping off Lyle's toupee. That's one of the silliest, most ridiculous and contrived explanations to come up with in a murder trial. That's something you would see on an episode of Melrose Place or in a John Hugh's film. But yeah, they tried to pass this off as official record with a straight face.🤣 Considering that the defendants were putting their victims on trial in the first place, this was quite a new level of audacity.
totally missed the bit on the boat when he made it sound like it erik was the lead murder
Barbara Walters was trying to be edgey and was an azz in this interview.
This was her typical interview style, really ,some are so cringe inducing
@@mandolyn 😂🤣Yes, cringe inducing is a good description!
@@realhousewifeoftransylvania1.0they are lying murderers
She thought she ate
Funny enough, so many things happened in this show that I constantly found myself questioning what was true and what wasn't. I do remember several news stories over the decades covering this, as well as broadcast television versions of this biography, but this is the first time where I could not trust any characters to give me straight answers. Due to that I wound up really enjoying it
The series is a drama for entertainment, not a documentary. But there is a documentary coming to Netflix very soon featuring the brothers that might be a better insight.
I will always be disgusted by how this case was handled.
Lyle's prosecutor, Pam Bozanich, argued that "men could not be raped, because they lack the necessary equipment to be raped”. Yep, that’s an actual quote this idiot presented to the jury 😒😒😒
Parents are suppose to protect their children at all costs, kitty and Jose
just cared about image and didn’t care about their kids at all. The ACTUAL trial depicts an accurate account of the events. Unlike Ryan Murphy’s and Netflix’s shitty attempt at a biopic. It was self defense, and i will ALWAYS stand by that. If they didn’t kill their parents, Jose would have 100 percent had both of them killed and made it look like an accident because that’s just how powerful, rich and narcissistic he was.
100% self defense. I was talking about the case with my brother and we both agreed that we would do the same to protect each other in a situation like theirs. Thank God we have good parents.
Your comment is 100 percent unintelligent and biased. The brothers had to PROVE imminent fear of BOTH parents for an imperfect self-defense theory and there is NO evidence or even testimony from the brothers depicting imminent fear of their mother yet plenty of evidence proves the opposite. In terms of the prosecutor’s opinions 40 plus years ago do you expect her to have a magical reader that told her how people think present day. Back then society at large thought the only way for a man to be R was by a group or if he was gay and liked being a bottom because no man would allow another solo man to R him since a man does not have a box ie a man has to use something that is NOT biologically designed for that which would cause tremendous pain and in most cases not be physically possible as the man or boy gets older in age unless his mind was a gay man and liked it or learned to like it. Furthermore, there would be corroboration of third party witnesses attesting to hearing or seeing the R like the live in maids and Erik’s testimony would have been much different about this. Erik said he only said no ONCE. Does that mean all the other times was consensual? How was Erik able to take it Lyle never heard anything and both brothers said their mother likely did not know when her bedroom was across the hall in ALL three houses (NJ, Calabasas, and BH)? That simply is NOT possible. The brothers were telling lies mixed in with some truths and a liar can never win over an entire jury because everyone does NOT let their emotions override irrefutable facts, timelines, lack of corroboration, the defendant’s actions not matching their words, and common sense
@@x3danimatosSelf-defense AGAINST WHAT? Two parents chillin, watching tv, and eating in a CLOSED door den? The parents needed self-defense against the MONSTERS that barged in that room firing rounds at them!
@@S.Blonde the parents were monsters as well. Their killers were created by them. The way they abused those boys, I can see how this was their only option... so monsters raised by monsters.
@@x3danimatos Murder is NEVER the “only option” and certainly NOT a legal option. These were both brothers with numerous prior felonies of burglary, identity theft, etc. The parents had no criminal history, clean records, and in their OWN home in a CLOSEd door den watching tv. A closed door meant leave them alone. “The way they abused those boys” is a phrase only someone with the ability to victimize grown men as boys would say who purposefully IGNORED what the brothers actually testified in order to conjure a fictitious story and all common sense. They said what they said. They were grown men. If Lyle said his abuse stopped at 11 then that is what he said. If Erik said his abuse was only from Jose as an adult and his mother had not abused him as a teen or as an adult then he said what he said.
Part of the problem is the boys could have just left. They were no longer kids. The other problem I think was true back then is when they mentioned in the first trial that boys could not be abused. The juror also said the e men on the jury didn't like their lawyer. She was not timid person. i think it was because of her that they didn't get found guilty the first time. I think she did a good job defending them. The riots in 1992, and OJ I think really did have an effect on the outcome. The DA's office needed a win. Also, the public as they said in the series were over them. It had been some years, and they were old news.
I never could understand why they separate the brothers. Its not right!
Because jail is a punishment not an after party.
@@manuelayala926exactly
Bc they killed their parents. It's called dealing with the consequences
@@manuelayala926 But aside from aunts and cousins, they don't have any one to talk with. It like going to Boarding School and you have no friends or anyone to call brother in school.
@@ridefree9160 But isn't it enough that they face live prison ment. Isn't enough of a punishment?
Two actors were fantastic
Javier Bardem will have you at the edge of your sit for an hour straight, if not more.
This is on my watch list for this weekend, heard great things
You are going to love the drama and the details of everything in the show it is fantastic.
I hope they get out! truly believe them
They are Killers doesn't deserve to get out
I have so many questions.. I've watched the new series on Netflix... I feel like jose won't S..assualt both of them.. because he was also se.. assaulted by his mother.. I mean why would he do this to his children. I feel like they were just spoiled brats who were just greedy..jose might be a strict parent which definitely wants perfect children.. which made both of them mad at some point of time .. Talking about mother that's not much of a valid reason to kill her with so much brutality..
So I think they were just furious about getting out from the will . And shaped their testimony as se. Assaulted by the jose.. ofcourse lawyer would've told them to do that
If we talk about relatives testimony.. that can be bought easily.. they had so much money..
@@incoming-bud7155Not only have more victims come forward claiming Jose also SA them, they did tell random people thru the years. The throat injury Erik had that the show showed could’ve happened by a popsicle when older actually happened when he was a child and is the type of injury they now train Drs to look out for as a sign of CSA. Kitty absolutely knew what was going on, she would turn the tv volume all the way up when it was happening & did tell other children not to enter the room when Jose was in there with his son. There’s witnesses (not just family members) to corroborate all of this, it’s just that the 2nd trial judge ruled no claims of SA could be said until the penalty phase, basically after they were found guilty.
I enjoyed listening to your breakdown on this
Best actors!
I think this is my favorite Ryan Murphy show. Usually his shows lose its momentum. But this managed, for once, to stay great. Loved Dahmer. But I hope these brothers get out.