"But another team broke into their garage overnight ..." "Uh?!" "...and fixed it up." "wat?!" ... what a bizarre story. Imagine that sort of thing happening in the hyper-professional environment of current top-level racing. Good summary. Feels to me like at least some of them would have had the talent to make a solid F1 career, but too often they started too late, too sporadically, and with too little support (which of course is also true for many other drivers esp. in those eras). ... I'll deduct points for buying into the Juju hype though ;) tbh the whole "on merit" thing always rings a bit hollow to me, especially with drivers like Latifi, Stroll, (formerly) Mazepin on the grid, and even with drivers that are acknowledged to be (broadly) be good like Tsunoda, Albon, Schumacher etc. all coming with sponsorship and connections because this is just a necessity in modern F1. And if we talk about ie. Flörsch or Chadwick and their mediocre results; and people implying that they "just" get drives because they are women; well, on surface that seems like there's something to it, but then look at where male drivers that drove against them and either got as mediocre or even worse results ended up, like Devlin DeFrancesco (IndyCar), Pietro Fittipaldi (F1 test driver) or Alessio Deledda (DTM). So, kinda "eh" to me. Though obviously, yes, absolutely, get the best drivers on any grid ... just, motorsport doesn't work like that nowadays, didn't ever, and probably won't ever.
Seriously though, that throwaway line deserves an entire movie.. I have been a diehard motorsports fan since 1987 and have never even heard this story hinted at and I want so much more information.
This comment section is wild. Also Jacques Laffite literally cost himself a chance at pole because of his own prejudice, him and Piquet were a strange kind of driver. And Fangio, a legend in all aspects of life.
I wish this had more views. I am pondering a project on a few women in motorsport my self and it is just a shame that history is forgotten! I keep seeing the usual W series discussion and how we need a woman in F1 to help open doors. ( which we do, but they need to get their on merit..) The frustrating part is they do not talk about the women who did it! the women who raced in some of the hardest cars of all time and showed their skill.. It is crazy how people forget that there were womens classes in motorsport back in the 20's and 30's and women competing against women and men alike back then like Hellé Nice. I feel like if they celebrated some of these womens achievements instead of forgetting them, then it may help some young girls discover their love for the sport which we love so much.
Plenty of female drivers out there just look at this year's le mans the iron dames were in 3rd before their brake had to be changed out dropping them to 4th in the GT cars not bad. It's not from a lack of talent but more of a pool to choose from im sure if you 10x the amount the best will make it further
The fact should be you pick the best person with talent to do the job regardless of that persons sex , but sadly the simple truth is there has not been a female driver with the talent or speed to get into F1, im critical of the W series because it gives a false sense of a womans ability , for women to succeed and get into F1 they need to be racing against male drivers and beating them , winning junior series , when that happens F1 will take notice of them , but having a women only series is basically reinforcing the stereotypical attitude that women cannot compete and win against men, its really a retrograde step and series , there wont be a female only F1 championship,so women will have to compete against men and beat them or there will never be a female F1 driver in a team with a chance to win races or a championship.
Mouton, Calderon, Ickx, Patrick would argue about the talent comment. If F1 wasn't as awfully male then Chadwick should've got there by now. Hell one could argue that the fact F1 (and F2 and F3) are so patriarchal is why they had to move the women to their own series, because nobody was giving them a chance in equal machinery. This way their talent is inarguable and maybe someone in F2 will give them a shot to, as you say, fight agaisnt the men. At least they're getting to race, rather than being stuck funding themselves in some back of beyond series seen by 12 people and a dog.
@@VonBlade dude, teams are investing shit ton of money and drivers have to deliver the expected results. Motor racing is not like usual sports. Hundreds even thousands of hours of research and development is involved in this sport, after doing all that hardwork do you think teams will take these female drivers just to show females can do better? Do you think they can deliver a consistent performance through out a month?(yeah, it's sounds sexist but have to realise the cold hard truth that in this extreme competent sport, keeping consistent peek physical performance is absolute necessary.)
@@aadithnarayanan3880 lmao you think women can't drive fast on their periods? you know women all over the world do all kinds of jobs during their periods all year round, right?
@@aadithnarayanan3880 I'd love to but I'm not a woman and don't get periods. use your brain, dumbass. do you think the statistics for car accidents male vs female would be the way they are if women suddenly became incompetent once a month?
Hopefully we'll see some more women in top level motorsport pretty soon, it's about time (although obviously it takes ages for long lasting institutional sexism to disappear). W-Series does seem like it might be a step forwards for me, however if Jamie Chadwick doesn't get an F3 or F2 opportunity next year (if she wants one) after winning the champs I think it's use as a series beyond a marketing stunt would be undermined slightly. However I personally think initiatives in lower level motorsport are the most important thing for advancing diversity in motorsport. There's a good chance that there wouldn't be as many women as men in F1 even if sexism etc didn't exist - but there'd definitely be more than there have been so far. Like many facets of society, institutional, historic discrimination clearly plays at least some role. That's why I'm in favour of promoting women's motorsport and I don't think it's "sexist to men" or whatever bs some people believe to only let women into a certain series or specifically fund karting initiatives for girls. I think it works the same way with the racial divide in motorsport and Hamilton's push for more POC representation. There might be fewer non white people in the population of most of the countries where F1 drivers come from compared to white people, but that doesn't mean the non-white representation would be this low without other factors at play (racism). Again, that's why I agree with funding projects to promote people of colour specifically in young motorsport - to adress historic privileges held by lighter skinned drivers
If Jamie Chadwick ain't getting a seat in F1....... I don't foresee any female being in F1 for a long long time. Money is always a factor though, perhaps someone rich can buy her way in. Juju Noda might have an outside shot as well, long shot though.
I don't understand this obsession nowadays of having forced diversity in all aspects of life. How did we go from "prohibiting" women in some places to force them into? That's some overcorrection alright! I have great admiration for the women you presented in this video, they got to F1 by their own merit, some of them in a time where it would have been more difficult. But let's be honest here, the reason there are no women in F1 nowadays is basically because women's interest in motorsport is very limited compared to men. And if you mix lack of interest with less physical prowess, you have the perfect explanation as to why there are no females. Simple as that. You even said it in your video, the ones that have been given some opportunities were mediocre at best, and we all know any male with those results wouldn't even be looked at twice. Teams salivate at the idea of having a female racer considering how many sponsors and good publicity it would bring. If they haven't, it's because they're not stupid and they actually want to be competitive. We are talking that this guys are the 20 best racers in the world in a super competitive environment. There are thousands, if not millions of men that would love to be in their position. Therefore as a male, even with talent and skills, you're pretty much out of the competition. So if out of 10000000 boys 20 make it out, out of 100000 women what do you think?
I have no desire to see women entering ANY area of motorsport by positive discrimination. It's bad enough having blokes in motor racing ho shouldn't be there let alone endangering lives by placing women in positions where they are so far out of their depth. If they're good enough they;ll get there, no different to men. Sabine Schmidt is an exception and was an exceptional driver regardless. STOP trying to force people into situations in which they don't belong, and I mean ANYONE.
They’re not forcing, they’re encouraging, it’s already proven that women can go toe to toe with men in motorsports, it’s just patriarchal ideals that prevents more women from entering it, so it’s not “if they’re good they’ll get there” if the encouragement isn’t even there
@@nahmeyghebreab9222 Lol you responded to advocating meritocracy in the sport with a personal attack. If anyone is angry here its you buddy but nice projection.
That's the kind of "male dominated" shit they're going on about... Why not "she's a great driver" rather than "she's nice looking"...? Get a life you f*ing loser.
"But another team broke into their garage overnight ..." "Uh?!" "...and fixed it up." "wat?!"
... what a bizarre story. Imagine that sort of thing happening in the hyper-professional environment of current top-level racing.
Good summary. Feels to me like at least some of them would have had the talent to make a solid F1 career, but too often they started too late, too sporadically, and with too little support (which of course is also true for many other drivers esp. in those eras).
... I'll deduct points for buying into the Juju hype though ;)
tbh the whole "on merit" thing always rings a bit hollow to me, especially with drivers like Latifi, Stroll, (formerly) Mazepin on the grid, and even with drivers that are acknowledged to be (broadly) be good like Tsunoda, Albon, Schumacher etc. all coming with sponsorship and connections because this is just a necessity in modern F1. And if we talk about ie. Flörsch or Chadwick and their mediocre results; and people implying that they "just" get drives because they are women; well, on surface that seems like there's something to it, but then look at where male drivers that drove against them and either got as mediocre or even worse results ended up, like Devlin DeFrancesco (IndyCar), Pietro Fittipaldi (F1 test driver) or Alessio Deledda (DTM). So, kinda "eh" to me.
Though obviously, yes, absolutely, get the best drivers on any grid ... just, motorsport doesn't work like that nowadays, didn't ever, and probably won't ever.
Seriously though, that throwaway line deserves an entire movie.. I have been a diehard motorsports fan since 1987 and have never even heard this story hinted at and I want so much more information.
Maria Teresa Filippis won a 12 Endurance event at Pescara, of all places? That alone is amazing.
Wow that was rasist
@@filipecoutinho5706 faaarcup man
No she but her team mates.
You deserve more likes and subscribers for this quality!
This comment section is wild.
Also Jacques Laffite literally cost himself a chance at pole because of his own prejudice, him and Piquet were a strange kind of driver.
And Fangio, a legend in all aspects of life.
I wish this had more views. I am pondering a project on a few women in motorsport my self and it is just a shame that history is forgotten! I keep seeing the usual W series discussion and how we need a woman in F1 to help open doors. ( which we do, but they need to get their on merit..) The frustrating part is they do not talk about the women who did it! the women who raced in some of the hardest cars of all time and showed their skill..
It is crazy how people forget that there were womens classes in motorsport back in the 20's and 30's and women competing against women and men alike back then like Hellé Nice.
I feel like if they celebrated some of these womens achievements instead of forgetting them, then it may help some young girls discover their love for the sport which we love so much.
Imagine F1 cars at Oulton Park now
Y E S
Plenty of female drivers out there just look at this year's le mans the iron dames were in 3rd before their brake had to be changed out dropping them to 4th in the GT cars not bad. It's not from a lack of talent but more of a pool to choose from im sure if you 10x the amount the best will make it further
Underrated
Who's here one year later and ironically because of the international women's day... Excellent job as always Peter!
The fact should be you pick the best person with talent to do the job regardless of that persons sex , but sadly the simple truth is there has not been a female driver with the talent or speed to get into F1, im critical of the W series because it gives a false sense of a womans ability , for women to succeed and get into F1 they need to be racing against male drivers and beating them , winning junior series , when that happens F1 will take notice of them , but having a women only series is basically reinforcing the stereotypical attitude that women cannot compete and win against men, its really a retrograde step and series , there wont be a female only F1 championship,so women will have to compete against men and beat them or there will never be a female F1 driver in a team with a chance to win races or a championship.
Mouton, Calderon, Ickx, Patrick would argue about the talent comment. If F1 wasn't as awfully male then Chadwick should've got there by now.
Hell one could argue that the fact F1 (and F2 and F3) are so patriarchal is why they had to move the women to their own series, because nobody was giving them a chance in equal machinery. This way their talent is inarguable and maybe someone in F2 will give them a shot to, as you say, fight agaisnt the men. At least they're getting to race, rather than being stuck funding themselves in some back of beyond series seen by 12 people and a dog.
@@VonBlade dude, teams are investing shit ton of money and drivers have to deliver the expected results. Motor racing is not like usual sports. Hundreds even thousands of hours of research and development is involved in this sport, after doing all that hardwork do you think teams will take these female drivers just to show females can do better? Do you think they can deliver a consistent performance through out a month?(yeah, it's sounds sexist but have to realise the cold hard truth that in this extreme competent sport, keeping consistent peek physical performance is absolute necessary.)
@@aadithnarayanan3880 lmao you think women can't drive fast on their periods? you know women all over the world do all kinds of jobs during their periods all year round, right?
@@isthatrubble then prove me wrong
@@aadithnarayanan3880 I'd love to but I'm not a woman and don't get periods. use your brain, dumbass. do you think the statistics for car accidents male vs female would be the way they are if women suddenly became incompetent once a month?
Hopefully we'll see some more women in top level motorsport pretty soon, it's about time (although obviously it takes ages for long lasting institutional sexism to disappear).
W-Series does seem like it might be a step forwards for me, however if Jamie Chadwick doesn't get an F3 or F2 opportunity next year (if she wants one) after winning the champs I think it's use as a series beyond a marketing stunt would be undermined slightly.
However I personally think initiatives in lower level motorsport are the most important thing for advancing diversity in motorsport.
There's a good chance that there wouldn't be as many women as men in F1 even if sexism etc didn't exist - but there'd definitely be more than there have been so far. Like many facets of society, institutional, historic discrimination clearly plays at least some role. That's why I'm in favour of promoting women's motorsport and I don't think it's "sexist to men" or whatever bs some people believe to only let women into a certain series or specifically fund karting initiatives for girls.
I think it works the same way with the racial divide in motorsport and Hamilton's push for more POC representation. There might be fewer non white people in the population of most of the countries where F1 drivers come from compared to white people, but that doesn't mean the non-white representation would be this low without other factors at play (racism). Again, that's why I agree with funding projects to promote people of colour specifically in young motorsport - to adress historic privileges held by lighter skinned drivers
If they were good enough they'd get in. Plenty of women in the US side in IndyCar over the years. Great excuse though - "it's all the men's fault"...
Money would be better spent on a driver programme instead of a racing series
If Jamie Chadwick ain't getting a seat in F1....... I don't foresee any female being in F1 for a long long time. Money is always a factor though, perhaps someone rich can buy her way in. Juju Noda might have an outside shot as well, long shot though.
But she wont
Why would JC get an F1 seat...? Totally unproven.
She's in the F2-version of IndyCar this year so we'll see if she's got anything.
@@PA-lf8sd How is she unproven? She's won just about everything she's entered.
@@tonykartracer8032this hasnt aged well
I see more female drivers in drifting competitions than it is on F1, albeit there's Kyojo Cup, an all-female open-wheel motorsport that I heard of.
In my opinion Wilson would have been more successful than Lombardi was, had Wilson driven a car as competitive as the March 751
I don't understand this obsession nowadays of having forced diversity in all aspects of life. How did we go from "prohibiting" women in some places to force them into? That's some overcorrection alright!
I have great admiration for the women you presented in this video, they got to F1 by their own merit, some of them in a time where it would have been more difficult. But let's be honest here, the reason there are no women in F1 nowadays is basically because women's interest in motorsport is very limited compared to men. And if you mix lack of interest with less physical prowess, you have the perfect explanation as to why there are no females. Simple as that. You even said it in your video, the ones that have been given some opportunities were mediocre at best, and we all know any male with those results wouldn't even be looked at twice.
Teams salivate at the idea of having a female racer considering how many sponsors and good publicity it would bring. If they haven't, it's because they're not stupid and they actually want to be competitive.
We are talking that this guys are the 20 best racers in the world in a super competitive environment. There are thousands, if not millions of men that would love to be in their position. Therefore as a male, even with talent and skills, you're pretty much out of the competition. So if out of 10000000 boys 20 make it out, out of 100000 women what do you think?
I didn't know Lella Lombardi was LGBTQ! That's really neat to learn
Why?
@@bosto23 It just is. I didn't know and it's neat to find out
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I have no desire to see women entering ANY area of motorsport by positive discrimination. It's bad enough having blokes in motor racing ho shouldn't be there let alone endangering lives by placing women in positions where they are so far out of their depth. If they're good enough they;ll get there, no different to men. Sabine Schmidt is an exception and was an exceptional driver regardless.
STOP trying to force people into situations in which they don't belong, and I mean ANYONE.
They’re not forcing, they’re encouraging, it’s already proven that women can go toe to toe with men in motorsports, it’s just patriarchal ideals that prevents more women from entering it, so it’s not “if they’re good they’ll get there” if the encouragement isn’t even there
im guessing ur crush rejected you and now you want to let out your anger on the internet
@@nahmeyghebreab9222 nice rebuttal.
@@nahmeyghebreab9222 Lol you responded to advocating meritocracy in the sport with a personal attack. If anyone is angry here its you buddy but nice projection.
@レナ I hired you cuz you are black. Sounds discriminate doesnt it?
xDD sure
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I have a crush on Jamie and I’m 40…she’s amazing!
That's the kind of "male dominated" shit they're going on about...
Why not "she's a great driver" rather than "she's nice looking"...?
Get a life you f*ing loser.
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