For those asking about the video, back then it was common to 'wipe' videotaped TV shows because they were not seen as valuable. Erasing soap episodes was a common practice up until the late 70s. Thousands of episodes were lost. The audio probably comes from a fan who used an audio recorder to preserve the sound. Many people did this in the days before VCRs.
"LOL there was no TV dear. Only radio soap operas." I don't know what planet you're from, but on Earth in 1968 when Joan filled in for her daughter on "The Secret Storm", television had been around for decades.
Came to see Joan acting as a stand-in but I understand it’s really old and am glad to hear it and read other comments! Glad I’m not the only one looking for it!!! Amazon is pushing Christina’s Mommy Dearest
I remember when this happened in 1968. JOAN CRAWFORD's appearance was hyped up for a few days ahead of time in daily announcements after ALL of the CBS Soaps ended their Episodes, including THE EDGE OF NIGHT that my Grandmother and I watched. I watched the Show to see her. I only remember her appearing in one Episode and it was a really weird one. You couldn't understand her as she mumbled, and rambled on. It was pretty obvious that something was wrong, but, being a young kid, I didn't realize that she was drunk. I just couldn't understand WHAT she was doing. She wandered around the Set, and I remember Actor JEFFREY LYNN (as "Charlie Clemmens") looking completely aghast at the whole fiasco. He tried to keep her on track during their Scenes, and recited his Lines as best as he could. He had to refer to JOAN as a "young woman" and she looked just as old as he did. I will never forget it, but, I wish that I could see that Episode again.
Me too🤣🤣🤣🤣 it was the most stupidest live show I've ever seen her mother playing a twenty-two-year-old the ratings went through the roof because she's Joan Crawford because she's playing a 22 year old kid went out a repo characteristics you look like an old bag
@@MayISpeak Of course Christina didn't lie. Anyone who has experienced the horror of narcissistic abuse recognised the truth of every word in Christina's courageous book.
@@glamdolly30 Christina Crawford claims in "Mommie Dearest" that she was strangled by Joan Crawford in the summer of 1953. Here is how she describes this incident in her book: "The choking pain of her fingers around my throat met the thudding ache of the blow to the back of my head. She banged my head on the floor, tightening her grip around my throat....I gasped for air and felt myself sinking into unconsciousness as I tried desperately to fight back....If something or someone didn’t help me very soon I was going to die. I tried with the last bit of my strength to struggle free of those choking fingers and managed to wedge one of my knees between her body and mine and push upward on her ribs with my hands which loosened her grip slightly. It at least allowed a trickle of air down my throat and kept me from losing consciousness." This type of physical attack would, no doubt, leave bruises to the neck and throat. However, according to Christina, she had no bruises to the neck or throat, and the bruises she claims to have received to the face were greatly diminished within "a few days." This is what Christina Crawford said regarding her "injuries" after this alleged strangulation: "I had one black eye and a cut on my upper lip that was swollen and covered with dried blood. My whole face was sort of puffy and I had a perfect handprint bruised across one cheek....A few days later I was on my way back to the Chadwick’s house...I still had vestiges of the black eye but the rest of my face had returned pretty much to normal." This claim is medically impossible. Busies to the face take at least a minimum of 1 to 2 weeks to fade. Perhaps this was a quick rationale by Christina in her book to account for no one seeing these "injuries" after she returned to Chadwicks. By 1988. Christina Crawford claimed in her book "Survivor" that the stroke she suffered in late 1981 was the result of this "strangulation." Christina claimed the strangulation caused an embolism (a blood clot) that blocked the flow of blood to her brain, and this embolism had lied dormant for over 28 years (1953 - 1981) without causing issue before it dislodged and flowed to her brain. This claim, in and of itself, is medically improbably, if not impossible. However, the impossibility is further enhanced when considering that Christina did not even have bruising to her throat from this alleged strangulation. In "Survivor" Christina writes: "In the hospital the doctors questioned me as thoroughly as they could about possible causes of my stroke. They were interested in what might have been a source of original damage to the left carotid artery in my neck since I had no history of high blood pressure or high cholesterol. They asked me about a car accident or a neck injury. I had experienced none. The only incident I could think of was a violent argument my mother and I had when I was thirteen years old. She had been drinking at the time and flew into a rage. I recalled this incident in the book Mommie Dearest, not knowing at the time I wrote about it that I would later have a stroke" This outrageous allegation is further debunked by a 1978 sworn deposition, whereby Christina DENIES knowledge of this incident. Along with a 1980/81 interview with the secretary (Billie Greene) who was an eye witness the evening Christina claimed this strangulation took place. Greene refuted the claim that Joan strangled or choked Christina. **ChristinaCrawfordLied**
Mommie Dearest filling in for her sick daughter Christina...... playing a twenty-something year old in her early 60's? Simply 100 percent guaranteed hilarious!! Poor Tina......Thanks for posting!
It is amazing how admiring a person's talent can blind you to their bull as a person. Joan Crawford was a talented actress but that certainly doesn't mean that it is Impossible for her to have been a horrible mother to Christina. MOST horrible parents PRETEND to be good ones to the public...and she was a what??? An ACTRESS...which means she could what??? ACT. Duh...You got whole camp of people out here talking about "Joan Crawford couldn't have been abusive, she was too good an actress to be." When you say that out loud does it make any sense?
@@purrangels9585 Joan Crawford's excuse for taking her daughter's role and embarrassing her so publicly was that she 'saved her job'. Utter BS! The producers would simply have got an actress who WAS 20-something to stand in, or would have re-written the scripts til she came back. Claiming she was helping her daughter - when she was in reality sabotaging her - is typical narcissistic abuse and gas-lighting, and Joan Crawford was a master of that!
Poor Joan, that she did this to save her daughter's job. It was a loving gesture that was a bad idea and the producer should have known better. But, Joan was a screen legend, Tina her daughter, and no one expected Joan to look 28. They expected to see a legend playing a role to save her daughter's job. Poor Joan. Christina is an a-hole.
Videotape did not exist in the 1950s, just film. And TV studios had zero interest in keeping old shows, because they had no resale value. Movies could be replayed in theaters, but not TV shows. They used the film, and then trashed it .
DALEYLIFE: Joan would have been in her early 60s at this time...."OLD WOMAN"...Be careful....You won't like to be called that when you're in your early 60s.
Joan did The Secret Storm in the mid to late '60s. It was recorded on videotape. Dark Shadows was done the same way. However, rarely did shows keep the original masters, as videotape was expensive and they would just record over it again and again reusing the tape. One would think, that someone would have made backups of the Joan Crawford episodes though! Maybe they're out there in a vault somewhere!!
There’s an archive photo of Joan Crawford and then director Gloria Monty of the Secret Storm. The expression on Monty’s face sums up her experience working with Crawford on these episodes.
Wow I just Googled the image you're talking about - poor Gloria Monty the director looks utterly exhausted standing next to Crawford during rehearsals for the soap. And Joan looks every one of her 64 years! She had some brass balls to not only take her daughter's role without consulting her, but to play a 20-something when she was a damn pensioner! Hilarious - but poor Christina, what an horrific embarrassment.
@@glamdolly30 Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show - “I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill. Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina. As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak. One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.” She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.” I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice. All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.” Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979) **Interview courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh To say Christina did a disservice to her mother was an understatement. Was Gloria there when Christina was growing up? No. Was ChristinaCrawfordLied there while Christina was groing up? No.
I was nineteen then, and I watched Joan on The Secret Storm. She was in her sixties, and she was playing a woman in her twenties. It was ludicrous, to say the least. Especially the scene that she played with the young man who was supposed to be her husband on the show. I remember that she had a line where she said to him, "Let's neck!" Also, you could tell from her slurred speech that she had a few drinks. It was a relief when Christina returned.
It's actually rather amazing that audiences back in the day, were fully capable of suspending disbelief and going along with a conceit, or that the producers respected audiences enough to just come out and say what the situation was and moved on.
I doubt many viewers were possessed of an imagination powerful enough to 'suspend disbelief' in this case, and accept 60-something boozed-addled Joan Crawford as a fresh-faced 20-something! Closer to the truth is the TV soap couldn't resist the publicity boost of having a big name like Crawford guest star - and they were too terrified of the old bat to turn her down!
As a kid I used to watch The Secret Storm and remember announcer Ken Roberts's voice and intro and the wave visuals. This 1968 intro of the show has the title floating around before finally zooming in against a cloudy/black sky with telephone wires or it could be up against the statue of liberty with the title floating around and finally zooming in.
This , more than anything else is proof that there was something not right with Joan Crawford . And also gives some validity to Christina's claims . At least some of them
I only remember Ken's beautiful voice as he introduced a CBS serial. It was perfect -- "this is Love..... of life". His voice was used at least during the "flowers in front of the window" theme. It stirs my heart even when I look at it today -- just beautiful!
Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show “I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill. Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina. As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak. One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.” She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.” I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice. All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.” -Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979) **Interview courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
I was 7 years old and I remember my mother watching this soap. I can recall she thought it was a poor performance and commenting about how sad it was that Joan Crawford looked foolish playing the part of a young woman at her age.
I have seen video of Joan Crawford's appearance on The Secret Storm, absurdly playing a character 40 years younger than she was. I don't remember exactly when I saw it or how long the clip was, but I know I saw it. Maybe it has been lost since then, but it definitely did survive for at least a decade or so. Although I was 20 years old in 1968, I was NOT interested in TV soap operas or aging movie stars, so I did not watch it live.
Funny, I would swear I saw it too in the 1980s (and no, not the recreation from "Mommie Dearest', but the real thing. Then again I smoked a lot in those days, so ...
Gloria Monty was my client in Chicago. she was a little slip of a woman who was very nice and a very warm human being! I asked her about working with ala Crawford! She had a great deal to say how difficult she was and how sad that her alcoholism was really destroying her. Gloria said that Crawford was nearly drunk off her butt during the taping and of course the end result was less than stellar!
Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show (1979 interview) “I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill. Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina. As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak. One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.” She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.” I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice. All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.” -Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979) **Interview courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
Some tidbits: -October 18 1968: Joan begins rehearsing for her appearance on "The Secret Storm". Even though Joan asked for no prior publicity regarding her appearance on the show, it's publicly announced Joan will substitute for Christina on on the show. -October 19 (#1): Joan cancels appearing at a Pepsi plant opening ceremony in Greenville, South Carolina on this day based on having a "serious cold." Webmaster's note: On this weekend, Joan began rehearsals for "The Secret Storm," therefore, it is possible Joan did not attend the ceremony for this reason, however, Joan was reportedly ill with the flu during the previous week. -October 19 (#2): "The Secret Storm" director, Gloria Monty, visits in the evening with Joan at her Fifth Avenue apartment. Monty assists Joan with rehearsing scenes on the show for the scheduled October 20th taping. Monty would later say that Joan did a wonderful job during the rehearsals in her apartment. -October 20: Joan tapes her appearances for four episodes of the CBS soap opera "The Secret Storm." Director Gloria Monty believed Joan was drunk during the taping, citing that Joan was continuously drinking vodka throughout the day, slurring her speech and missing her cues. However, it should also be noted that Joan was recovering from the flu, which caused her to cancel several public appearance during the prior week. Joan's recent illness, along with any medication she was proscribed, could have contributed to her inebriation during the show's taping. -October 25, 28, 29, 30: Joan's appearance in the daytime soap opera The Secret Storm is aired on CBS. **Credit for this research goes to the Joan Crawford: The Concluding Chapter Of Crawford site**
I actually saw this as it happened. There was no way Joan Crawford could play a role of a so much younger woman. She was absolutely grotesque and embarrassing.
That is probably why it is hard to find a actual tape, they were probably embarassed by the fact that they actually agreed to let her play a 29 year old woman. Like....lapse in judgement there.
60 was very over the hill back then. And 28 was a mature young adult. In 2019, at least in America, a 60 year old woman is a middle-aged adult, some look young, some look like they’re close to a nursing home. A 28 year old woman today almost looks like a kid.
In the movie "Mommie Dearest", Joan was depicted as half-drunk and stumbling through her lines on the show. From the sound of the audio, she did a rather good job, though she probably did not show up nearly as well in the video. It is very difficult, even with make up, to have a sixty-something portray a twenty-something.
I believe Joan Crawford may have been somewhat the way she was in the movie. Celebrities are not really the way you see them on the screen. How many times have we seen them behaving badly behind the camera. Living here in California, I personally know several stars who my friends have met and they were quite rude & horrible at times. I expect Hollywood back in those days was far more false than today.
it was explained to me like this : Joan Crawford was like Beyonce back then...imagine a director turning BEYONCE down ...they were afraid of her wrath using all the support she still had even at 68(i personally never liked her movies lol)
I believe 'The Secret Storm's' executive producer at the time was the legendary Gloria Monty who years later saved a soon-to-be canceled 'General Hospital'
There's a post about Joan on her IMDB page. Both Helen Hayes and June Allyson have said that what was written by her daughter in Mommy Dearest, was accurate. Helen Hayes wouldn't let her son stay there because Joan would tie her son to his bed at night. Her image was created as a loving mother when in fact she was abusive.
Joan fooled everybody when the cameras were on and her and Christina had the matching outfits. When the cameras stopped, Christina had not seen Joan for days on end.
Joan's son's doctor told her to use the sleep harness to keep him from sleep walking...that was common practice back then as was a harness with a leash when out shopping
Oh how I wish we could see the video - a sixty-something Joan Crawford playing a twenty something character, hilarious! You couldn't make it up. The producers were obviously far too terrified of Joan to decline her offer! If there were any doubt Christina was telling the truth about Joan Crawford in 'Mommie Dearest' this incident of madness blows it out the water. The woman was a horribly deluded egomaniac. Poor Christina, and her poor brother Christopher whose life was ruined by that evil witch. He once famously said "I don't believe my mother ever cared for me". Joan had a lot of anger against men, having been sexually exploited by them from a child. It appears she took much of this out on Christopher. She would strap him into his bed at night, supposedly to stop him sleepwalking but there's a suspicion it was actually to stop him masturbating. Kirk Douglas once saw Christopher strapped down in his elaborate harness when he called to take Joan on a dinner date, and was shocked. A shame he didn't report her to social services! Not surprisingly after such abuse he had serious psychiatric issues and was unable to work for many years. Christina has been a wonderful sister, and shred the proceeds of 'Mommie Dearest' with him. Joan of course disinherited both Joan and Christopher - what a great mother! I will never understand how she was allowed to adopt four children as a single mother - that she was never able to maintain a happy marriage was a clue to her instability!
It has since come to light from the director that they asked Joan to fill in not the other way around. They likely wanted the pubicity that Joan's fame would bring them. We know now also that Christina is a lier.
That's pretty tacky that she stood in for her own daughter who was like 40 years older than her. Even more tacky that she was drinking on the set and took Christina's role for granted.
Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show (1979 interview) “I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill. Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina. As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak. One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.” She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.” I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice. All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.” -Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979) **Interview courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
SHE SAVED HER DAUGHTER'S JOB DUMBASS. Her daughter was scheduled to be replaced by a new actress, so Joan volunteered to fill the role for free, if the producers kept her daughter in the cast. Just 4 shows and the her daughter came back, rather than being fired...... Instead of hating on Joan you should be praising her for saving her daughter's career (she stayed on the show many more years) .
There are only two explanations why Joan Crawford took Christina's role for four episodes: (1) Joan wants to help Christina keep her job because she knows that by disinheriting her, Christina is going to need all the extra money she can get. (2) Joan couldn't care less about Christina, a person she planned on disinheriting - so she takes Christina's role because Joan adores being in the spotlight. Since Christina only stayed on in that role for the term of her contract - a little over one year (not "many more" as you say) - the second explanation is more likely than the first.
I don't hear Joan Crawford voice at all in this clip? And why is there no video of Joan Crawford in that Secret Storm episode she did anywhere to be found? There has to be one!? Find it! Post it! 😑
I have actually corresponded with Jada Rowland, an original cast member of 'The Secret Storm,' in 1954, when she was just a child, and she tells me that this was NOT one of the shows that transitioned from radio to TV. I am a featured contributor to the newly published book 'Survival of Soap Operas: Transformations for a New Media Era,' University of Mississippi Press, Dec. 2010, coming out in paperback in March 2012.
I have no doubt that what Christina Crawford said about Joan is true. On one of the daytime talk shows many years ago a group of actresses who were Joan Crawford's contemporaries (including Lana Turner) were asked about Christina's allegations and they said they all know that Joan was super abusive to her, but nobody did anything about child abuse in those days (and really not much until recent years, either--)
Did you ever suspect (as I have) that Lana Actually killed Johnny Stompanato, bu arranged to have her adolescent daighter take the blame because she would get off very lightly and Lana's career would be desypyed?@@lynntownsend4457
There's no sane reason for this to have happened . A 60 year old woman with a grasp on reality and who did not have an overinflated ego would not pressure producers to let her fill the role her 20 year old " doh ter " was playing . I guarantee most of the women watching at home had a wtf moment
From what I heard, Joan possibly did it so another young actress wouldn't fill in and potentially take her daughters role because she knew she was going to disinherit her. That's partiallu noble, right?
@@freddie7145 Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show “I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill. Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina. As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak. One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.” She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.” I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice. All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.” -Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979) **Interview courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@freddie7145 -October 18 1968: Joan begins rehearsing for her appearance on "The Secret Storm". Even though Joan asked for no prior publicity regarding her appearance on the show, it's publicly announced Joan will substitute for Christina on on the show. -October 19 (#1): Joan cancels appearing at a Pepsi plant opening ceremony in Greenville, South Carolina on this day based on having a "serious cold." Webmaster's note: On this weekend, Joan began rehearsals for "The Secret Storm," therefore, it is possible Joan did not attend the ceremony for this reason, however, Joan was reportedly ill with the flu during the previous week. -October 19 (#2): "The Secret Storm" director, Gloria Monty, visits in the evening with Joan at her Fifth Avenue apartment. Monty assists Joan with rehearsing scenes on the show for the scheduled October 20th taping. Monty would later say that Joan did a wonderful job during the rehearsals in her apartment. -October 20: Joan tapes her appearances for four episodes of the CBS soap opera "The Secret Storm." Director Gloria Monty believed Joan was drunk during the taping, citing that Joan was continuously drinking vodka throughout the day, slurring her speech and missing her cues. However, it should also be noted that Joan was recovering from the flu, which caused her to cancel several public appearance during the prior week. Joan's recent illness, along with any medication she was proscribed, could have contributed to her inebriation during the show's taping. -October 25, 28, 29, 30: Joan's appearance in the daytime soap opera The Secret Storm is aired on CBS. **Credit for this research goes to the Joan Crawford: The Concluding Chapter Of Crawford site**
@@Garsons-oq4lh Thank you for the info. Do you honestly believe it was the Flu and medication for Joan's inebriation? Let's be real here. Hope to hear back from you.
THIS RIGHT HERE is why i TOTALLY BELIEVE Christina. Her twin sisters were the golden children whilst she and christopher were the scapegoats looks up narcissism . Joan fits nicely in that category. IDC what abuse you suffer yourself you dont get abuse others....smdh wasnt the character supposed to be a TWENTY FIVE yr old woman too? Like MAAM you really thought this was the move smdh.....
The Logic of Christina Crawford Believers: -I believe Christina Crawford! I was abused as a child, and despite that abuse occurring in a totally 'different' household, by totally 'different' people and in a totally 'different' decade, my story PROVES Joan Crawford abused her children! -Joan Crawford's other children(Cathy and Cindy)'s stories DO NOT count! It doesn't matter that they were raised by the 'same' mother, in the 'same' household, and during the 'same' era! I know the truth because I was abused. LEARN THE TIMELINE: -Christina Crawford was born in June 1939. -Joan Crawford’s third husband, Phillip Terry DENIED ever seeing abuse. -Joan Crawford’s twin daughters were born in January 1947. The twins DENIED ever seeing abuse. -Christina Crawford was sent to boarding school in February 1950. -During all if this, Joan Crawford’s secretary, Betty Barker, was constantly in the Crawford home. Barker DENIED ever seeing abuse. **Credit to ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh logic of joan believers : i cant fathom anyone treating a kid like this so im gonna do back flips to defend her. Despite evidence from various other stars that back christina and her brother who it was confirmed by several other stars of the time to been strapped down at night. Look dont believe her all you want but a quick google search will tell you different. Come on she filled in for christina on a soap my GRANDPA remembered it as do others his age. Stop licking joans boots she assaulted marilyn monroe hun.
@@Garsons-oq4lh or how about she was considering so unfit no normal adoption agency would allow her to adopt kids...hence her going on the black market to get them...🤷🏿♀️
I listened to this carefully and all I heard were references to "Joan," the character Christina portrayed, not the actual character. Was Joan Crawford actually in this episode?
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Not at all. Videotape did not exist in the 1950s, just film. And TV studios had zero interest in keeping old shows, because they had no resale value. Movies could be replayed in theaters, but not TV shows. They used the film, and then trashed it .
well....this was 68. They already had Video. But yes, I am sure they trashed it, because this show was obviously a cheap show and not very popular to a wide audience. In contrast to I Love Lucy... those were kept.
The Mommie Dearest movie implied that Joan took the role for Christina as an act of kindness and she was a nervous wreck having to act on a soap opera instead of a movie and drank in between takes to calm herself. And she stayed amicable with Christina up to her death, but still left her out of the inheritance.
deana diedrich The networks typically threw away or recycled the film, as reruns of soap operas were atypical. It's surprising the audio even exists at all.
LOL there was no TV dear. Only radio soap operas. You know.".As the World Turns, All My Children, Stella Dallas etc. TV didn't come out in it's streaky blk/wh, until 1949. I was married 1 year, when we got our first set. So long ago.
@@wyomingadventures Christina Crawford claims in "Mommie Dearest" that she was strangled by Joan Crawford in the summer of 1953. Here is how she describes this incident in her book: "The choking pain of her fingers around my throat met the thudding ache of the blow to the back of my head. She banged my head on the floor, tightening her grip around my throat....I gasped for air and felt myself sinking into unconsciousness as I tried desperately to fight back....If something or someone didn’t help me very soon I was going to die. I tried with the last bit of my strength to struggle free of those choking fingers and managed to wedge one of my knees between her body and mine and push upward on her ribs with my hands which loosened her grip slightly. It at least allowed a trickle of air down my throat and kept me from losing consciousness." This type of physical attack would, no doubt, leave bruises to the neck and throat. However, according to Christina, she had no bruises to the neck or throat, and the bruises she claims to have received to the face were greatly diminished within "a few days." This is what Christina Crawford said regarding her "injuries" after this alleged strangulation: "I had one black eye and a cut on my upper lip that was swollen and covered with dried blood. My whole face was sort of puffy and I had a perfect handprint bruised across one cheek....A few days later I was on my way back to the Chadwick’s house...I still had vestiges of the black eye but the rest of my face had returned pretty much to normal." This claim is medically impossible. Busies to the face take at least a minimum of 1 to 2 weeks to fade. Perhaps this was a quick rationale by Christina in her book to account for no one seeing these "injuries" after she returned to Chadwicks. By 1988. Christina Crawford claimed in her book "Survivor" that the stroke she suffered in late 1981 was the result of this "strangulation." Christina claimed the strangulation caused an embolism (a blood clot) that blocked the flow of blood to her brain, and this embolism had lied dormant for over 28 years (1953 - 1981) without causing issue before it dislodged and flowed to her brain. This claim, in and of itself, is medically improbably, if not impossible. However, the impossibility is further enhanced when considering that Christina did not even have bruising to her throat from this alleged strangulation. In "Survivor" Christina writes: "In the hospital the doctors questioned me as thoroughly as they could about possible causes of my stroke. They were interested in what might have been a source of original damage to the left carotid artery in my neck since I had no history of high blood pressure or high cholesterol. They asked me about a car accident or a neck injury. I had experienced none. The only incident I could think of was a violent argument my mother and I had when I was thirteen years old. She had been drinking at the time and flew into a rage. I recalled this incident in the book Mommie Dearest, not knowing at the time I wrote about it that I would later have a stroke" This outrageous allegation is further debunked by a 1978 sworn deposition, whereby Christina DENIES knowledge of this incident. Along with a 1980/81 interview with the secretary (Billie Greene) who was an eye witness the evening Christina claimed this strangulation took place. Greene refuted the claim that Joan strangled or choked Christina. **ChristinaCrawfordLied**
Billie Greene -Former secretary to Joan Crawford-unpublished interview 1980/81 “I believe I am quoted [in Christina’s book regarding the LIE that is the strangling incident] to have said something like, “Stop, you’ll kill her.” There was a point where they were having an argument. What precipitated it was possibly one of many misunderstandings. Or where Christina had lied to Joan, and the hostility was getting greater. Joan came towards her and gave her a good swat, and hit her towards the neck area. I remember at one point taking Joan’s arm when it was in midair and saying, “I want you to stop. You’re going to hurt her.” This was not for Christina’s sake. This was for Joan’s sake. No one wants to see anyone out of control. I can tell you that I’d never seen any discipline towards Christina or towards the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night. Possibly there was rage. I can’t conceive of the distortion, unless Christina had a deep-seated plan, a vendetta that was present even when she was 14. Christina lied often for absolutely no reason. [The book] was a pack of lies that made your hair stand on end. I have utter contempt for Christina." "When Christina was at Chadwicks, she would tell some lies. Like the lengths Joan would go through to see that she had everything to get back to school. Shoes, dresses, etc. I don’t know what Christina would do with them between Brentwood and school, but she would arrive with a couple of beat up, old dresses and the call would come from Chadwicks. “Couldn’t you send this girl one decent thing to wear?” I got Christina in my office one day and said, “Christina, what did you do? All those things we picked out and packed and got ready for you that you chose?” She said, “I gave them to my friends,” and I said, “What does this do? Make you a hero with your friends?” and she said, “No, I just wanted to.” I said, “Don’t you know what you do to your mother when you make her look cruel and evil and selfish?” and she said, “No, it’s just something I like to do. I like to give my clothes away.” On more than one occasion I found Christina to be an opportunist, dishonest and distorting everything, every single actions of her mother.” **Courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh I totally agree with you. I've learned much more about Joan since I wrote that comment and I need to delete it. After you read this it's gone. I've become a Joan fan now.
Not only did Joan C pretend to play a 28 year old, but she was drunk! In Cristina’s very own words. “As the scene progresses, my heart sank into the pit of my stomach. She wasn’t just nervous. Mother had been drinking when this scene was taped. She was not sober when she did this work.” 😞 -CC I cannot believe her very own “mother” would tried to outshine Tina and put embarrassment towards her daughters acting career. 🤦🏽♀️
And that was what Christina saw on the TV. Which was after the show had edited together the scenes Joan had taped. While Joan did fine in rehearsal, she drank before taping and, as a result, not all of what Joan taped could be used.
Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show “I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill. Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina. As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak. One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.” She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.” I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice. All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.” -Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979)
Joan made a major mistake when her career was changing, she should have done what Donna Reed and Loretta Young did, go on TV, had a "Joan Crawford Hour", different story each week, , it would have been a big hit.
Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show “I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill. Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina. As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak. One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.” She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.” I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice. All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.” -Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979) **Interview courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
The Secret Storm was written originally for television by Roy Winsor who also created Search for Tomorrow and Love of Life. It ran on CBS television 1954-1974.
@@sxnico Yes, But I remember Christina on a talk show back when the book came out and she said Joan was very strong. So maybe Rita Moreno meant it that way. She had the body of a line backer.
this is a hoot---did Joan fill in so Christina wasn't fired? why would the latter be fired for being sick? I think it was pure publicity for Joan--as usual---and doing it off kid's career--shame!!
No, Christina was Sick and Joan told The Producers that she wanted her Mother to do it but she was lying. She also got upset when Christina played a Nun on The Medical Drama Marcus Welby saying that Joan wanted to do that show.
+laminage I read that from Christina, and I never understood it. Joan and Robert Young (Marcus Welby) were good friends from way back. If Young wanted Joan to appear on his show, all he had to do was ask her, and they would have written a guest shot for her.
@@laminage I thought Tv was beneath her. She prob watched MW MD and was a fan. If she wanted a gig she should have got her agent cracking and get her a part. The old bag was jealous of a younger CC who was enjoying some lime light. Joan was fading fast and wanted to pull Christina down with her.
Very good for you,however its called comments,not selective comments,your the film clips are free on youtube,oh,thats right,this is audio and not real file footage,which would have been amazing to see,anyone that looks at the thumb nail,isnt going to know its just audio,unless it's labeled right. I was actually shocked it was audio...
My Mother and I watched the actual show. It was pretty bizarre.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
For those asking about the video, back then it was common to 'wipe' videotaped TV shows because they were not seen as valuable. Erasing soap episodes was a common practice up until the late 70s. Thousands of episodes were lost.
The audio probably comes from a fan who used an audio recorder to preserve the sound. Many people did this in the days before VCRs.
+Barndancer61 It's amazing quality for being recorded so many years ago.
(1) Videotape did not exist in 1954, just film. (2) The sound quality is the same as radio shows from the same decade
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The Secret Storm was videotaped in 1968, not filmed.
Wow! You just reminded me about how I used to record the audio of TV shows back then!
Yes. That’s what makes the survival of Dark Shadows all the more amazing. Only one episode is missing out of 1,225.
"LOL there was no TV dear. Only radio soap operas."
I don't know what planet you're from, but on Earth in 1968 when Joan filled in for her daughter on "The Secret Storm", television had been around for decades.
Un-fucking-believable they even considered this! Would love to see the full visual recording. But thanks for posting this. It's a real find!
Had forgotten how "old fashioned" soap opera intros sounded when my mom watched stuff like this in 1968: I was 8 then...
Came to see Joan acting as a stand-in but I understand it’s really old and am glad to hear it and read other comments! Glad I’m not the only one looking for it!!! Amazon is pushing Christina’s Mommy Dearest
I wish that I could see the actual video. :(
I remember when this happened in 1968. JOAN CRAWFORD's appearance was hyped up for a few days ahead of time in daily announcements after ALL of the CBS Soaps ended their Episodes, including THE EDGE OF NIGHT that my Grandmother and I watched. I watched the Show to see her. I only remember her appearing in one Episode and it was a really weird one. You couldn't understand her as she mumbled, and rambled on. It was pretty obvious that something was wrong, but, being a young kid, I didn't realize that she was drunk. I just couldn't understand WHAT she was doing. She wandered around the Set, and I remember Actor JEFFREY LYNN (as "Charlie Clemmens") looking completely aghast at the whole fiasco. He tried to keep her on track during their Scenes, and recited his Lines as best as he could. He had to refer to JOAN as a "young woman" and she looked just as old as he did. I will never forget it, but, I wish that I could see that Episode again.
Me too🤣🤣🤣🤣 it was the most stupidest live show I've ever seen her mother playing a twenty-two-year-old the ratings went through the roof because she's Joan Crawford because she's playing a 22 year old kid went out a repo characteristics you look like an old bag
@Oh Happy Day
Unfortunately, as Joan aged, she lost her confidence and drank her 100-proof vodka for “false courage”.
@@MayISpeak she lied about many things but not that part, Joan took the role and it was a surprise as Joan never valued television shows
@@MayISpeak Of course Christina didn't lie. Anyone who has experienced the horror of narcissistic abuse recognised the truth of every word in Christina's courageous book.
@@glamdolly30 Christina Crawford claims in "Mommie Dearest" that she was strangled by Joan Crawford in the summer of 1953.
Here is how she describes this incident in her book:
"The choking pain of her fingers around my throat met the thudding ache of the blow to the back of my head. She banged my head on the floor, tightening her grip around my throat....I gasped for air and felt myself sinking into unconsciousness as I tried desperately to fight back....If something or someone didn’t help me very soon I was going to die. I tried with the last bit of my strength to struggle free of those choking fingers and managed to wedge one of my knees between her body and mine and push upward on her ribs with my hands which loosened her grip slightly. It at least allowed a trickle of air down my throat and kept me from losing consciousness."
This type of physical attack would, no doubt, leave bruises to the neck and throat. However, according to Christina, she had no bruises to the neck or throat, and the bruises she claims to have received to the face were greatly diminished within "a few days."
This is what Christina Crawford said regarding her "injuries" after this alleged strangulation:
"I had one black eye and a cut on my upper lip that was swollen and covered with dried blood. My whole face was sort of puffy and I had a perfect handprint bruised across one cheek....A few days later I was on my way back to the Chadwick’s house...I still had vestiges of the black eye but the rest of my face had returned pretty much to normal."
This claim is medically impossible. Busies to the face take at least a minimum of 1 to 2 weeks to fade. Perhaps this was a quick rationale by Christina in her book to account for no one seeing these "injuries" after she returned to Chadwicks.
By 1988. Christina Crawford claimed in her book "Survivor" that the stroke she suffered in late 1981 was the result of this "strangulation." Christina claimed the strangulation caused an embolism (a blood clot) that blocked the flow of blood to her brain, and this embolism had lied dormant for over 28 years (1953 - 1981) without causing issue before it dislodged and flowed to her brain.
This claim, in and of itself, is medically improbably, if not impossible. However, the impossibility is further enhanced when considering that Christina did not even have bruising to her throat from this alleged strangulation.
In "Survivor" Christina writes:
"In the hospital the doctors questioned me as thoroughly as they could about possible causes of my stroke. They were interested in what might have been a source of original damage to the left carotid artery in my neck since I had no history of high blood pressure or high cholesterol. They asked me about a car accident or a neck injury. I had experienced none. The only incident I could think of was a violent argument my mother and I had when I was thirteen years old. She had been drinking at the time and flew into a rage. I recalled this incident in the book Mommie Dearest, not knowing at the time I wrote about it that I would later have a stroke"
This outrageous allegation is further debunked by a 1978 sworn deposition, whereby Christina DENIES knowledge of this incident. Along with a 1980/81 interview with the secretary (Billie Greene) who was an eye witness the evening Christina claimed this strangulation took place. Greene refuted the claim that Joan strangled or choked Christina.
**ChristinaCrawfordLied**
Mommie Dearest filling in for her sick daughter Christina...... playing a twenty-something year old in her early 60's? Simply 100 percent guaranteed hilarious!! Poor Tina......Thanks for posting!
She did it to save her job
It is amazing how admiring a person's talent can blind you to their bull as a person. Joan Crawford was a talented actress but that certainly doesn't mean that it is Impossible for her to have been a horrible mother to Christina. MOST horrible parents PRETEND to be good ones to the public...and she was a what??? An ACTRESS...which means she could what??? ACT. Duh...You got whole camp of people out here talking about "Joan Crawford couldn't have been abusive, she was too good an actress to be." When you say that out loud does it make any sense?
Barbara please
@@purrangels9585 Joan Crawford's excuse for taking her daughter's role and embarrassing her so publicly was that she 'saved her job'. Utter BS!
The producers would simply have got an actress who WAS 20-something to stand in, or would have re-written the scripts til she came back.
Claiming she was helping her daughter - when she was in reality sabotaging her - is typical narcissistic abuse and gas-lighting, and Joan Crawford was a master of that!
Poor Joan, that she did this to save her daughter's job. It was a loving gesture that was a bad idea and the producer should have known better. But, Joan was a screen legend, Tina her daughter, and no one expected Joan to look 28. They expected to see a legend playing a role to save her daughter's job. Poor Joan. Christina is an a-hole.
I'm so bummed we don't have video of an old woman playing a twentysomething. Had no idea this actually happened!
They probably purposely destroyed them...
Videotape did not exist in the 1950s, just film. And TV studios had zero interest in keeping old shows, because they had no resale value. Movies could be replayed in theaters, but not TV shows. They used the film, and then trashed it
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DALEYLIFE: Joan would have been in her early 60s at this time...."OLD WOMAN"...Be careful....You won't like to be called that when you're in your early 60s.
Joan did The Secret Storm in the mid to late '60s. It was recorded on videotape. Dark Shadows was done the same way. However, rarely did shows keep the original masters, as videotape was expensive and they would just record over it again and again reusing the tape. One would think, that someone would have made backups of the Joan Crawford episodes though! Maybe they're out there in a vault somewhere!!
anyone interested in what joan actually looked like during this time...ya can search...joan crawford on the lucy show...
There’s an archive photo of Joan Crawford and then director Gloria Monty of the Secret Storm. The expression on Monty’s face sums up her experience working with Crawford on these episodes.
Wow I just Googled the image you're talking about - poor Gloria Monty the director looks utterly exhausted standing next to Crawford during rehearsals for the soap. And Joan looks every one of her 64 years!
She had some brass balls to not only take her daughter's role without consulting her, but to play a 20-something when she was a damn pensioner! Hilarious - but poor Christina, what an horrific embarrassment.
@@glamdolly30 Joan was 62 per 1906 the year she gave when going to Stephens College. She didn't give 1904 or 1905 or 1908.
@@glamdolly30 Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show
- “I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill.
Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina.
As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak.
One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.”
She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.”
I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice.
All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.”
Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979)
**Interview courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh and of course her motives for doing so were completely pure and unselfish. Right , and OJ was innocent.
@@Garsons-oq4lh To say Christina did a disservice to her mother was an understatement. Was Gloria there when Christina was growing up? No. Was ChristinaCrawfordLied there while Christina was groing up? No.
I was nineteen then, and I watched Joan on The Secret Storm. She was in her sixties, and she was playing a woman in her twenties. It was ludicrous, to say the least. Especially the scene that she played with the young man who was supposed to be her husband on the show. I remember that she had a line where she said to him, "Let's neck!" Also, you could tell from her slurred speech that she had a few drinks. It was a relief when Christina returned.
Back when organ music was used. Too funny.
Live organ music!
Ironic that Christina was playing a character named Joan! As much as she hated her mother, that had to be a constant reminder to her of her mother!!
Joan Crawford’s voice is no where in this clip!!
You have to find part 2
It's actually rather amazing that audiences back in the day, were fully capable of suspending disbelief and going along with a conceit, or that the producers respected audiences enough to just come out and say what the situation was and moved on.
Nelson Smith That's exactly true. Audiences today want their concept of "realism" which completely contradicts itself.
We ARE talking about soap operas. Not much realism there to begin with.
Exactly like liberals of today. 🤣
I doubt many viewers were possessed of an imagination powerful enough to 'suspend disbelief' in this case, and accept 60-something boozed-addled Joan Crawford as a fresh-faced 20-something!
Closer to the truth is the TV soap couldn't resist the publicity boost of having a big name like Crawford guest star - and they were too terrified of the old bat to turn her down!
WOW -- Next best thing to having the video! Thanks, Shane!
As a kid I used to watch The Secret Storm and remember announcer Ken Roberts's voice and intro and the wave visuals. This 1968 intro of the show has the title floating around before finally zooming in against a cloudy/black sky with telephone wires or it could be up against the statue of liberty with the title floating around and finally zooming in.
It is so obvious that soaps, even in 1968 could have worked well on radio.
This , more than anything else is proof that there was something not right with Joan Crawford .
And also gives some validity to Christina's claims . At least some of them
She was a severe alcoholic and bipolar. No shame there....both diseases
Wow!! Incredible find! Thank you!
What a treat! Thank you! :-)
I only remember Ken's beautiful voice as he introduced a CBS serial. It was perfect -- "this is Love..... of life". His voice was used at least during the "flowers in front of the window" theme. It stirs my heart even when I look at it today -- just beautiful!
Ken Roberts was one of the finest TV announcers.
The announcer was Ken Howard, who was also the long time announcer for fellow CBS soap Love of Life which aired from Sept. 1951 to 2/1/1980.
Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show
“I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill.
Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina.
As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak.
One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.”
She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.”
I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice.
All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.”
-Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979)
**Interview courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
I was 7 years old and I remember my mother watching this soap. I can recall she thought it was a poor performance and commenting about how sad it was that Joan Crawford looked foolish playing the part of a young woman at her age.
What a tragedy that there’s no video. This must have been unreal!!!
They should recreate the episode with actors playing the parts.
I have seen video of Joan Crawford's appearance on The Secret Storm, absurdly playing a character 40 years younger than she was. I don't remember exactly when I saw it or how long the clip was, but I know I saw it. Maybe it has been lost since then, but it definitely did survive for at least a decade or so. Although I was 20 years old in 1968, I was NOT interested in TV soap operas or aging movie stars, so I did not watch it live.
Funny, I would swear I saw it too in the 1980s (and no, not the recreation from "Mommie Dearest', but the real thing. Then again I smoked a lot in those days, so ...
I remember this vaguely. And I remember Dream Whip...that stuff never whipped up like it was supposed to.
My mother had wonderful success with Dream Whip by first getting the (Sunbeam) glass mixing bowl and metal beaters very cold in the freezer.
Omg, priceless. Wish there was visual, too
What a find!
Gloria Monty was my client in Chicago. she was a little slip of a woman who was very nice and a very warm human being! I asked her about working with ala Crawford! She had a great deal to say how difficult she was and how sad that her alcoholism was really destroying her. Gloria said that Crawford was nearly drunk off her butt during the taping and of course the end result was less than stellar!
Was TSS broadcast live (at this time) and then shown via tape to the west coast?
No, I believe it was taped, but only a week or two in advance of the broadcast date.
Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show (1979 interview)
“I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill.
Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina.
As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak.
One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.”
She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.”
I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice.
All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.”
-Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979)
**Interview courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
Some tidbits:
-October 18 1968: Joan begins rehearsing for her appearance on "The Secret Storm". Even though Joan asked for no prior publicity regarding her appearance on the show, it's publicly announced Joan will substitute for Christina on on the show.
-October 19 (#1): Joan cancels appearing at a Pepsi plant opening ceremony in Greenville, South Carolina on this day based on having a "serious cold."
Webmaster's note: On this weekend, Joan began rehearsals for "The Secret Storm," therefore, it is possible Joan did not attend the ceremony for this reason, however, Joan was reportedly ill with the flu during the previous week.
-October 19 (#2): "The Secret Storm" director, Gloria Monty, visits in the evening with Joan at her Fifth Avenue apartment. Monty assists Joan with rehearsing scenes on the show for the scheduled October 20th taping. Monty would later say that Joan did a wonderful job during the rehearsals in her apartment.
-October 20: Joan tapes her appearances for four episodes of the CBS soap opera "The Secret Storm." Director Gloria Monty believed Joan was drunk during the taping, citing that Joan was continuously drinking vodka throughout the day, slurring her speech and missing her cues. However, it should also be noted that Joan was recovering from the flu, which caused her to cancel several public appearance during the prior week. Joan's recent illness, along with any medication she was proscribed, could have contributed to her inebriation during the show's taping.
-October 25, 28, 29, 30: Joan's appearance in the daytime soap opera The Secret Storm is aired on CBS.
**Credit for this research goes to the Joan Crawford: The Concluding Chapter Of Crawford site**
I actually saw this as it happened. There was no way Joan Crawford could play a role of a so much younger woman. She was absolutely grotesque and embarrassing.
That is probably why it is hard to find a actual tape, they were probably embarassed by the fact that they actually agreed to let her play a 29 year old woman. Like....lapse in judgement there.
I'm surprised the idea didn't sound over the top in their head, I mean a 64-year-old playing a 29 year old? Really?
60 was very over the hill back then. And 28 was a mature young adult. In 2019, at least in America, a 60 year old woman is a middle-aged adult, some look young, some look like they’re close to a nursing home. A 28 year old woman today almost looks like a kid.
@@jondstewart Very true. Remember the Supremes in the sixties. They were about 21 and looked in their thirties with all the make-up and fancy gowns.
I can't imagine a 60+ woman playing a 28 year old! She was too old and possibly drunk when she did this.
Joan took the part bc she didn't want the producers to replace christina. She played it for free
No, she was paid but she gave her salary to her hairdresser.
Wonderful! Where on Earth did you find this? Do the visual elements no longer exist? Thanks for posting this!
In the movie "Mommie Dearest", Joan was depicted as half-drunk and stumbling through her lines on the show. From the sound of the audio, she did a rather good job, though she probably did not show up nearly as well in the video. It is very difficult, even with make up, to have a sixty-something portray a twenty-something.
The producer said, "If we had hired a new actor, the fans would object. Using Joan Crawford was the best solution."
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electrictroy2010 Well, she was also a big draw. The idea of an Oscar winning movie star filling in for her daughter generated a lot of hype.
There's other actresses in the scene. Joan is the deep voiced one and doesn't have many words.
I agree.
@@bellaboop1 The ratings soared when Joan was filling in...
I believe Joan Crawford may have been somewhat the way she was in the movie. Celebrities are not really the way you see them on the screen. How many times have we seen them behaving badly behind the camera. Living here in California, I personally know several stars who my friends have met and they were quite rude & horrible at times. I expect Hollywood back in those days was far more false than today.
After hearing that this woman was playing a 24 year girl, when in fact she was sixty something tells me she wasn’t ok, nor the people that hired her.
it was explained to me like this : Joan Crawford was like Beyonce back then...imagine a director turning BEYONCE down ...they were afraid of her wrath using all the support she still had even at 68(i personally never liked her movies lol)
They spent 10 minutes talking about Joan Kane, I think today's audience would be bored.
I believe 'The Secret Storm's' executive producer at the time was the legendary Gloria Monty who years later saved a soon-to-be canceled 'General Hospital'
if the video is gone-how did they get the audio?
It sounds like someone recorded it at home from their tv set.
@@randyariddle By placing an audiotape recorder in front of the tv set, and pressing Record. Lo-fi, but durable.
There's a post about Joan on her IMDB page. Both Helen Hayes and June Allyson have said that what was written by her daughter in Mommy Dearest, was accurate. Helen Hayes wouldn't let her son stay there because Joan would tie her son to his bed at night. Her image was created as a loving mother when in fact she was abusive.
Joan fooled everybody when the cameras were on and her and Christina had the matching outfits. When the cameras stopped, Christina had not seen Joan for days on end.
Joan's son's doctor told her to use the sleep harness to keep him from sleep walking...that was common practice back then as was a harness with a leash when out shopping
Nice to hear this--Joan the Bone
Oh how I wish we could see the video - a sixty-something Joan Crawford playing a twenty something character, hilarious! You couldn't make it up. The producers were obviously far too terrified of Joan to decline her offer!
If there were any doubt Christina was telling the truth about Joan Crawford in 'Mommie Dearest' this incident of madness blows it out the water. The woman was a horribly deluded egomaniac.
Poor Christina, and her poor brother Christopher whose life was ruined by that evil witch. He once famously said "I don't believe my mother ever cared for me". Joan had a lot of anger against men, having been sexually exploited by them from a child. It appears she took much of this out on Christopher. She would strap him into his bed at night, supposedly to stop him sleepwalking but there's a suspicion it was actually to stop him masturbating. Kirk Douglas once saw Christopher strapped down in his elaborate harness when he called to take Joan on a dinner date, and was shocked. A shame he didn't report her to social services!
Not surprisingly after such abuse he had serious psychiatric issues and was unable to work for many years. Christina has been a wonderful sister, and shred the proceeds of 'Mommie Dearest' with him. Joan of course disinherited both Joan and Christopher - what a great mother! I will never understand how she was allowed to adopt four children as a single mother - that she was never able to maintain a happy marriage was a clue to her instability!
Glamdolly30, Well spoken.
as the preview to Mommy Dearest says. Joan Crawford starring in the biggest role of her life which was her life
I agree with you.
The master was erased to be reused.
It has since come to light from the director that they asked Joan to fill in not the other way around. They likely wanted the pubicity that Joan's fame would bring them. We know now also that Christina is a lier.
This is great...but want the video too!!
That's pretty tacky that she stood in for her own daughter who was like 40 years older than her. Even more tacky that she was drinking on the set and took Christina's role for granted.
Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show (1979 interview)
“I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill.
Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina.
As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak.
One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.”
She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.”
I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice.
All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.”
-Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979)
**Interview courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
SHE SAVED HER DAUGHTER'S JOB DUMBASS. Her daughter was scheduled to be replaced by a new actress, so Joan volunteered to fill the role for free, if the producers kept her daughter in the cast. Just 4 shows and the her daughter came back, rather than being fired...... Instead of hating on Joan you should be praising her for saving her daughter's career (she stayed on the show many more years)
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There are only two explanations why Joan Crawford took Christina's role for four episodes:
(1) Joan wants to help Christina keep her job because she knows that by disinheriting her, Christina is going to need all the extra money she can get.
(2) Joan couldn't care less about Christina, a person she planned on disinheriting - so she takes Christina's role because Joan adores being in the spotlight.
Since Christina only stayed on in that role for the term of her contract - a little over one year (not "many more" as you say) - the second explanation is more likely than the first.
electrictroy2010 Oh please
Agree, but she likely may not have wanted another actress to fill in and possibly take over her role.
I don't hear Joan Crawford voice at all in this clip? And why is there no video of Joan Crawford in that Secret Storm episode she did anywhere to be found? There has to be one!? Find it! Post it! 😑
The soap operas videorecorded episodes, showed them, then recorded later episodes over those videotapes. So it has probably been gone for years.
Bruce Merrill, I am very sure I have a few episodes. What will you do for me?
I have actually corresponded with Jada Rowland, an original cast member of 'The Secret Storm,' in 1954, when she was just a child, and she tells me that this was NOT one of the shows that transitioned from radio to TV.
I am a featured contributor to the newly published book 'Survival of Soap Operas: Transformations for a New Media Era,' University of Mississippi Press, Dec. 2010, coming out in paperback in March 2012.
I have no doubt that what Christina Crawford said about Joan is true. On one of the daytime talk shows many years ago a group of actresses who were Joan Crawford's contemporaries (including Lana Turner) were asked about Christina's allegations and they said they all know that Joan was super abusive to her, but nobody did anything about child abuse in those days (and really not much until recent years, either--)
They should talk....not perfect mothers especially Lana Turner
Did you ever suspect (as I have) that Lana Actually killed Johnny Stompanato, bu arranged to have her adolescent daighter take the blame because she would get off very lightly and Lana's career would be desypyed?@@lynntownsend4457
There's no sane reason for this to have happened . A 60 year old woman with a grasp on reality and who did not have an overinflated ego would not pressure producers to let her fill the role her 20 year old " doh ter " was playing .
I guarantee most of the women watching at home had a wtf moment
From what I heard, Joan possibly did it so another young actress wouldn't fill in and potentially take her daughters role because she knew she was going to disinherit her.
That's partiallu noble, right?
Linda Easley, We know Joan was not sane. But don't tell that to her obsessed fans because they refuse to believe it.
@@freddie7145 Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show
“I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill.
Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina.
As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak.
One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.”
She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.”
I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice.
All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.”
-Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979)
**Interview courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@freddie7145
-October 18 1968: Joan begins rehearsing for her appearance on "The Secret Storm". Even though Joan asked for no prior publicity regarding her appearance on the show, it's publicly announced Joan will substitute for Christina on on the show.
-October 19 (#1): Joan cancels appearing at a Pepsi plant opening ceremony in Greenville, South Carolina on this day based on having a "serious cold."
Webmaster's note: On this weekend, Joan began rehearsals for "The Secret Storm," therefore, it is possible Joan did not attend the ceremony for this reason, however, Joan was reportedly ill with the flu during the previous week.
-October 19 (#2): "The Secret Storm" director, Gloria Monty, visits in the evening with Joan at her Fifth Avenue apartment. Monty assists Joan with rehearsing scenes on the show for the scheduled October 20th taping. Monty would later say that Joan did a wonderful job during the rehearsals in her apartment.
-October 20: Joan tapes her appearances for four episodes of the CBS soap opera "The Secret Storm." Director Gloria Monty believed Joan was drunk during the taping, citing that Joan was continuously drinking vodka throughout the day, slurring her speech and missing her cues. However, it should also be noted that Joan was recovering from the flu, which caused her to cancel several public appearance during the prior week. Joan's recent illness, along with any medication she was proscribed, could have contributed to her inebriation during the show's taping.
-October 25, 28, 29, 30: Joan's appearance in the daytime soap opera The Secret Storm is aired on CBS.
**Credit for this research goes to the Joan Crawford: The Concluding Chapter Of Crawford site**
@@Garsons-oq4lh Thank you for the info. Do you honestly believe it was the Flu and medication for Joan's inebriation? Let's be real here. Hope to hear back from you.
Anybody remember 1968, The Secret Storm, Love Of Life, Ken Roberts(announcer)Dream Whip, Joan Crawford, Christina Crawford, etc?
The Edge of Night, As The World Turns, Guiding Light,
Dream Whip is still found on the store shelves. As a kid I loved eating the powder directly out of the envelope.
How horrible this must’ve been for Christina.
THIS RIGHT HERE is why i TOTALLY BELIEVE Christina. Her twin sisters were the golden children whilst she and christopher were the scapegoats looks up narcissism . Joan fits nicely in that category. IDC what abuse you suffer yourself you dont get abuse others....smdh wasnt the character supposed to be a TWENTY FIVE yr old woman too? Like MAAM you really thought this was the move smdh.....
The Logic of Christina Crawford Believers:
-I believe Christina Crawford!
I was abused as a child, and despite that abuse occurring in a totally 'different' household, by totally 'different' people and in a totally 'different' decade, my story PROVES Joan Crawford abused her children!
-Joan Crawford's other children(Cathy and Cindy)'s stories DO NOT count! It doesn't matter that they were raised by the 'same' mother, in the 'same' household, and during the 'same' era! I know the truth because I was abused.
LEARN THE TIMELINE:
-Christina Crawford was born in June 1939.
-Joan Crawford’s third husband, Phillip Terry DENIED ever seeing abuse.
-Joan Crawford’s twin daughters were born in January 1947. The twins DENIED ever seeing abuse.
-Christina Crawford was sent to boarding school in February 1950.
-During all if this, Joan Crawford’s secretary, Betty Barker, was constantly in the Crawford home. Barker DENIED ever seeing abuse.
**Credit to ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh logic of joan believers : i cant fathom anyone treating a kid like this so im gonna do back flips to defend her. Despite evidence from various other stars that back christina and her brother who it was confirmed by several other stars of the time to been strapped down at night. Look dont believe her all you want but a quick google search will tell you different. Come on she filled in for christina on a soap my GRANDPA remembered it as do others his age. Stop licking joans boots she assaulted marilyn monroe hun.
Joan was bipolar
@@Garsons-oq4lh or how about she was considering so unfit no normal adoption agency would allow her to adopt kids...hence her going on the black market to get them...🤷🏿♀️
@artemiscarrington It was a TV series. Evidently, only a audio clip survives from the Joan Crawford Era of The Secret Storm.
Myrna Loy and Joan's twin daughters would wildly disagree with insomniajones statement.
THANX!
Tell them to hold the cue cards UP!
I listened to this carefully and all I heard were references to "Joan," the character Christina portrayed, not the actual character. Was Joan Crawford actually in this episode?
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE your channel!!! I'm a huge Joan Crawford fan, and finding all the wonderful rarities you've posted is simply amazing. Thank you so much for sharing. You've made a lot of other Joan fans happy!!
That's Ken Roberts who also announced another CBS soap "Love Of Life"
There were Cougar characters on the soaps in 1068 according to the opening dialogue! LOL
All My Children was never on the radio, it debuted on the ABC network, January 5, 1970. I think you meant Guiding Light.
Strange that they didn't keep the tapes with Joan Crawford over 60 playing her daughter under 30...
Not at all. Videotape did not exist in the 1950s, just film. And TV studios had zero interest in keeping old shows, because they had no resale value. Movies could be replayed in theaters, but not TV shows. They used the film, and then trashed it
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well....this was 68. They already had Video. But yes, I am sure they trashed it, because this show was obviously a cheap show and not very popular to a wide audience. In contrast to I Love Lucy... those were kept.
You are comparing Daytime to Primetime. Most Daytime Soaps didn't start saving their episodes until around 1979.
interesting, thanks for this information :)
I think theses episodes were conveniently "lost" because Joan was so drunk. I'd love to know if there are in fact copies floating around somewhere!!
As strange as this all was I'll bet their ratings went through the roof!
The Mommie Dearest movie implied that Joan took the role for Christina as an act of kindness and she was a nervous wreck having to act on a soap opera instead of a movie and drank in between takes to calm herself. And she stayed amicable with Christina up to her death, but still left her out of the inheritance.
I wonder and hear me out....I wonder if she did it not for kindness , BUT ego and "clout" as the young folks say.
@@sirenthomas4595 Of course she did. She hated Christina, so she was going to show Christina she could play a young woman.
Wow!
June Allison backed Christina up in her own autobiography
No she didn't. What is the quote?
Any video exist of this?
children within a family can have a different experience than their siblings. and also they can be humiliated by the truth and seek to cover it up.
Where is the vid? Does it still exist?
The video was probably taped over with another episode. The soap operas often did that.
This was filmed in the late 1960s . So where is the video?????????
deana diedrich The networks typically threw away or recycled the film, as reruns of soap operas were atypical. It's surprising the audio even exists at all.
You mean Ken Roberts, not Ken Howard(who was an actor on the CBS-TV show "The White Shadow")
I see the photo of Joan Crawford, however i did not hear her in this audio at all!
Thank you very much. I love these things. I will Google it now! Thanks again.
LOL there was no TV dear. Only radio soap operas. You know.".As the World Turns, All My Children, Stella Dallas etc. TV didn't come out in it's streaky blk/wh, until 1949. I was married 1 year, when we got our first set. So long ago.
Who is the announcer?? That voice is so familiar!
The announcer was Ken Roberts who also was the announcer on Love of Life.
I think there's 3 sides to a story I sure Joan was hard to live with but maybe Chistina wasn't the nicest person either we will never know 🤔💞
you mean a CHILD ....if she wasnt the nicest person then that would mean it was JOAN's fault bc she was raising her.
@@wyomingadventures Christina Crawford claims in "Mommie Dearest" that she was strangled by Joan Crawford in the summer of 1953.
Here is how she describes this incident in her book:
"The choking pain of her fingers around my throat met the thudding ache of the blow to the back of my head. She banged my head on the floor, tightening her grip around my throat....I gasped for air and felt myself sinking into unconsciousness as I tried desperately to fight back....If something or someone didn’t help me very soon I was going to die. I tried with the last bit of my strength to struggle free of those choking fingers and managed to wedge one of my knees between her body and mine and push upward on her ribs with my hands which loosened her grip slightly. It at least allowed a trickle of air down my throat and kept me from losing consciousness."
This type of physical attack would, no doubt, leave bruises to the neck and throat. However, according to Christina, she had no bruises to the neck or throat, and the bruises she claims to have received to the face were greatly diminished within "a few days."
This is what Christina Crawford said regarding her "injuries" after this alleged strangulation:
"I had one black eye and a cut on my upper lip that was swollen and covered with dried blood. My whole face was sort of puffy and I had a perfect handprint bruised across one cheek....A few days later I was on my way back to the Chadwick’s house...I still had vestiges of the black eye but the rest of my face had returned pretty much to normal."
This claim is medically impossible. Busies to the face take at least a minimum of 1 to 2 weeks to fade. Perhaps this was a quick rationale by Christina in her book to account for no one seeing these "injuries" after she returned to Chadwicks.
By 1988. Christina Crawford claimed in her book "Survivor" that the stroke she suffered in late 1981 was the result of this "strangulation." Christina claimed the strangulation caused an embolism (a blood clot) that blocked the flow of blood to her brain, and this embolism had lied dormant for over 28 years (1953 - 1981) without causing issue before it dislodged and flowed to her brain.
This claim, in and of itself, is medically improbably, if not impossible. However, the impossibility is further enhanced when considering that Christina did not even have bruising to her throat from this alleged strangulation.
In "Survivor" Christina writes:
"In the hospital the doctors questioned me as thoroughly as they could about possible causes of my stroke. They were interested in what might have been a source of original damage to the left carotid artery in my neck since I had no history of high blood pressure or high cholesterol. They asked me about a car accident or a neck injury. I had experienced none. The only incident I could think of was a violent argument my mother and I had when I was thirteen years old. She had been drinking at the time and flew into a rage. I recalled this incident in the book Mommie Dearest, not knowing at the time I wrote about it that I would later have a stroke"
This outrageous allegation is further debunked by a 1978 sworn deposition, whereby Christina DENIES knowledge of this incident. Along with a 1980/81 interview with the secretary (Billie Greene) who was an eye witness the evening Christina claimed this strangulation took place. Greene refuted the claim that Joan strangled or choked Christina.
**ChristinaCrawfordLied**
Billie Greene -Former secretary to Joan Crawford-unpublished interview 1980/81
“I believe I am quoted [in Christina’s book regarding the LIE that is the strangling incident] to have said something like, “Stop, you’ll kill her.” There was a point where they were having an argument. What precipitated it was possibly one of many misunderstandings. Or where Christina had lied to Joan, and the hostility was getting greater. Joan came towards her and gave her a good swat, and hit her towards the neck area. I remember at one point taking Joan’s arm when it was in midair and saying, “I want you to stop. You’re going to hurt her.” This was not for Christina’s sake. This was for Joan’s sake. No one wants to see anyone out of control. I can tell you that I’d never seen any discipline towards Christina or towards the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night. Possibly there was rage. I can’t conceive of the distortion, unless Christina had a deep-seated plan, a vendetta that was present even when she was 14. Christina lied often for absolutely no reason. [The book] was a pack of lies that made your hair stand on end. I have utter contempt for Christina."
"When Christina was at Chadwicks, she would tell some lies. Like the lengths Joan would go through to see that she had everything to get back to school. Shoes, dresses, etc. I don’t know what Christina would do with them between Brentwood and school, but she would arrive with a couple of beat up, old dresses and the call would come from Chadwicks. “Couldn’t you send this girl one decent thing to wear?” I got Christina in my office one day and said, “Christina, what did you do? All those things we picked out and packed and got ready for you that you chose?” She said, “I gave them to my friends,” and I said, “What does this do? Make you a hero with your friends?” and she said, “No, I just wanted to.” I said, “Don’t you know what you do to your mother when you make her look cruel and evil and selfish?” and she said, “No, it’s just something I like to do. I like to give my clothes away.” On more than one occasion I found Christina to be an opportunist, dishonest and distorting everything, every single actions of her mother.”
**Courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh I totally agree with you. I've learned much more about Joan since I wrote that comment and I need to delete it. After you read this it's gone. I've become a Joan fan now.
I never did hear Joan's voice....
Look for part 2.
Too bad they don't have the video of a sloshed Joan trying to act like a 25 year old
Derek Anthony, I do Derek.
Not only did Joan C pretend to play a 28 year old, but she was drunk! In Cristina’s very own words.
“As the scene progresses, my heart sank into the pit of my stomach. She wasn’t just nervous. Mother had been drinking when this scene was taped. She was not sober when she did this work.” 😞 -CC
I cannot believe her very own “mother” would tried to outshine Tina and put embarrassment towards her daughters acting career. 🤦🏽♀️
And that was what Christina saw on the TV. Which was after the show had edited together the scenes Joan had taped. While Joan did fine in rehearsal, she drank before taping and, as a result, not all of what Joan taped could be used.
Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show
“I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill.
Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina.
As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak.
One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.”
She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.”
I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice.
All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.”
-Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979)
Crawford was drunk on her ass on this soap
She was an alcoholic by her own admission
Joan made a major mistake when her career was changing, she should have done what Donna Reed and Loretta Young did, go on TV, had a "Joan Crawford Hour", different story each week, , it would have been a big hit.
Joan Crawford did a half dozen pilots for TV shows in the 60s and not a single one was picked up.
Why did executives allow Joan to do this? Seems kind of exploitive.
Gloria Monty - Director/Producer "The Secret Storm" Television Show
“I can tell you that Joan Crawford was wonderful in a crisis when her daughter took suddenly seriously ill. Joan called me to go to Christina’s apartment. She called the doctor to go there, and from her own bedside, because she was ill with the flu, called the ambulance to take Christina to the hospital. She also sent her secretary, Betty Barker, to see that everything went smoothly for Christina. As soon as Joan was declared un-contagious, she planted herself in her daughter’s hospital room and saw to it that Christina was well cared for. She also spoke with all of us on the show about keeping Christina’s job open. Joan was afraid her daughter would lose her running part by being absent. She kept asking us, “Can I do anything to help her keep it? What can I do?” It was difficult for me to make Joan understand this was not like the studio days when, if you were ill, the production had to shut down. She didn’t understand that we could write out Christina’s character for a while, although the story, at the moment, was at a peak.
One time when Joan asked, “What can I do?” I said, “Play the part for us.” She said, “OK, I’ll do Christina’s part until she comes back.” And that’s how she came to do the role on “The Secret Storm.” I’ll tell you that I saw Joan Crawford do everything she knew how to do to save a girl’s life and job. Christina tells none of that in “Mommie Dearest.” I think by omission she did her mother a disservice.
All I can say is that I saw a concerned mother when her daughter was unhappy in her marriage to Harvey Medlinsky and wanted a divorce. I know Joan helped her through that morally and financially.”
-Detroit Free Press (December 13th, 1979)
**Interview courtesy of ChristinaCrawfordLied**
The Secret Storm was written originally for television by Roy Winsor who also created Search for Tomorrow and Love of Life. It ran on CBS television 1954-1974.
where is the video that goes with this?
Someone at CBS probably erased it.
It was a common practice to delete shows or sell them off dirt cheap till the 70’s
So in which part of this is Joan speaking??????
Thanks for uploading - Big fan of Joan here.
Organ Music: The Television Series
I can't tell which is Joan...what time does she come in?
It's in the second part.Right here➡️ruclips.net/video/MG-DkuB1V28/видео.html
@@Bebra-wz3wp oh thank you for linking me up! I was getting so confused haha 💖
@@LeeAnthonyxxo Happy to help🥰
Classic 60s soap opera intro with a miserable sounding organ. Wish I could see the footage 😩
JOAN DOESN'T COME ON TILL PART 2.
Where did you read that? I love it! I must read more about it.
Even Rita Moreno says that when Joan handed her her Oscar she was drunk and had the body of a line backer.
She’s a liar. Joan was so petite.
@@sxnico Yes, But I remember Christina on a talk show back when the book came out and she said Joan was very strong. So maybe Rita Moreno meant it that way. She had the body of a line backer.
Moreno said that and Joan was in very good shape through exercise, but that doesn't make her Mommie Dearest... Joan was bipolar
It also cost nothing for my opinion,the comments are just that,open for comments. Its youtude,not audio tube!
Joan should have raised toy poodles--not children. She would have been happier.
Actually she owne them in the late 50s - she love them. I agree with you though.
@@alexisdiva9 They would always remain loyal to her.
She should have really spent her life honing her craft too....the kind of actor that can be cast at ANY AGE ...
Anybody remember Ken Roberts voice and his message about Joan Crawford?
this is a hoot---did Joan fill in so Christina wasn't fired? why would the latter be fired for being sick? I think it was pure publicity for Joan--as usual---and doing it off kid's career--shame!!
No, Christina was Sick and Joan told The Producers that she wanted her Mother to do it but she was lying. She also got upset when Christina played a Nun on The Medical Drama Marcus Welby saying that Joan wanted to do that show.
+laminage I read that from Christina, and I never understood it. Joan and Robert Young (Marcus Welby) were good friends from way back. If Young wanted Joan to appear on his show, all he had to do was ask her, and they would have written a guest shot for her.
@@laminage I thought Tv was beneath her. She prob watched MW MD and was a fan. If she wanted a gig she should have got her agent cracking and get her a part. The old bag was jealous of a younger CC who was enjoying some lime light. Joan was fading fast and wanted to pull Christina down with her.
@@glowinggold9488 Thats right.
Very good for you,however its called comments,not selective comments,your the film clips are free on youtube,oh,thats right,this is audio and not real file footage,which would have been amazing to see,anyone that looks at the thumb nail,isnt going to know its just audio,unless it's labeled right. I was actually shocked it was audio...
Where is Joan's voice???
You're very welcome.