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The idea of a project like this is appealing until you focus in on the arc-fault issue with nuisance tripping and neutrals crossed over from one circuit to another in the same j-box! I’m not excited about inheriting wiring issues within a home because some HO or DIY’er was messing around in the switchbox and spliced all the neutrals together from a couple of circuits! You better factor in a troubleshooting possibility in your per device price due to AF requirements!
Coach thx u sir ur you don't take 20 min 30 min explaining you get to the point most fools take 30 min and still. Don't even explain them selfs I'm a jw and just Wana get good at estimating my jobs thank u from phx az
Where do you live, here in my state. If you replace a old device with a new one. You do not have to bring the breaker up to code , unless you remove the actual outlet from the wall. Otherwise, you can replace the old old device with a updated code compliant new device. Obviously, replacing devices in bath, laundry, kitchen , basement, garage areas may require gfcis. But you don’t need to bring the breaker up to code in my state , unless you REMOVE the outlet itself from the wall. Outlet and device mean two totally different things in article 100. Also there are rules and exceptions that can be applied when installing /replacing a device such as a two prong receptacle that has no equipment ground. You can totally put a gfci there and label it “no ground “ and it totally be code compliant.
If you encounter metal boxes, why not spend a little more and upgrade with self bonding receptacles? They also usually feature back fed (not back stabbed) compression connections that are easier to install than a hook connection.
Another commentator asked what to do when wires are too short. The new WAGO inline connector is a good solution because it takes up much less space than a wire nut. Though not necessary, I also like to tape the levers to keep them from accidently opening.
I just finished quoting a customer about this but customer was wanting to provide parts.. it was a also a situation where he thought you could swap a two prong with a three prong with no problem, 90% of his branch circuits are two wire and noticed there’s some three prongs already installed.. I recommended GFCI protection and as well as AFCI in his breaker panels.. I assumed my quote was high but watching this vid gave me a better idea that I was more than fair.
Thanks coach 🙏
Hiya! Just found your channel. I'm also an electrician just Watchung other electricians videos. You're giving me good ideas for my own channel. Your content IMO is captive for sure. Good luck!
Good luck getting all those arc faults to hold.Theyre a pain in a new house like the GFI was the first several years and when all neutrals are tied together in multi gang switch boxes etc which is more common than some of the comments would lead one to believe it can be a major time consumer.Also you can figure in trips back for the ones working when left.
Bro, I'm learning with your channel better than if I fo to the school, thanks
Where I’m from you don’t need to bring the circuit up to arc fault code when you replace a receptacle. We can even change panels without bringing it up to code. Our ahj says you only need to change to arc fault if you move or extend the circuit more than 6 feet when completing your work.
Bro ,your channel is awesome keep up the good work I really appreciate you
Thank you for your support!! Let's get to it!!
Thanks!
Always great videos from you
If it’s replacing devices you don’t really need to replace breakers. Even if they ask to replace an panel I don’t think you need arc fault breakers only if you a 💯 % sure there is no mix wires other than that you will have a hell of a trip breaker every other day
Best advice as usual, thank you!
You are very welcome!! Thank you!!
might have to drop all lights and fans to bond metal boxes.
What about if the AFCI breaker do not hold??
In my opinion houses built before 70’s the neutral is spliced throught the intire house...
Great question!!! I have installed thousands of AFCI and GFCI breakers and have almost no trouble, the neutral can be spliced with no trouble, it cannot be spliced with other circuits neutrals though, which is what you were probably referring too!
I have seen less than hand full times when older homes had neutrals from 2 different circuit together. Great comment!!
If it's a shared neutral i believe you can use a 2 pole afci/GFCI breaker and it shouldn't trip as long as both neutrals get pigtailed into the breaker
It's kind of how I got screwed over for the last month and a half I did one house for about $2,400 for 57 breakers gfi's afis and circuit breakers and that was without parts and that was on a person that was renovating a new house that he had personally bought for himself but that was a fairly decent house it was built in the 80s and they go to the walls and everything and took out the lights put in new LED pot lights problem is now I went over to another one of the houses that he just sold for 1.2 million this house is almost 100 years old if not older has had every single person on the planet that thought they knew anything about electricity do something every outlet is a steel box unbonded with aluminum dry broken wires that had been wire nutted with copper 14 gauge and even 16 gauge not to mention some of the mixes between 10 gauge aluminum that then jumped up to 4 gauge copper which then why another down to 8 gauge copper before it went into the breaker then instead of putting two separate breakers they put a dual and made the neutral a second leg a panel that has no grounding cable and then neutral is a 6 gauge black wire non-marked that goes somewhere I don't know where no bonding cable strap outside and they want me to re-pull and replace all of the wire in the house and redesign everything with new LED lights in the ceilings that I have to drill through two and a half inches of concrete steel backed drywall and I kind of got screwed over the deal because it kept getting larger and larger and I only quoted five grand at first until they added on more and more things and now it's a month and a half it's the job from hell
Sounds like a rough one, thank you for sharing!
I rather not touch the panel and stay strictly to the point. Change switches and receptacles.
What are your thoughts on Leviton’s new snap lock receptacles and switches?
My old 1974 house had a small panel. If I had to put GFCI/AFCI on all the receptacles (back then lights and receptacles were on the same circuit) then I would need a much larger box, such as 200A box. The old 1974 box breakers were not available any more. I ended up putting a pony box to feed a couple new circuits, hot tub, and steam shower. I also changed out the receptacles and switches to Decora to sell the house.
Did you say you always suggest a panel change if it's Federal Pacific? I always thought those were just annoying, but you're saying it's a safety issue to the point you should suggest changing every time?
Do a little research on it let me know what you think
They are known for breakers that will not trip when they are suppose to and are therefore a fire hazard. apparently this is only in the US though
Hey coach where are you from. Thanks for your vids
Tennessee brother
I am sorry but how do you change a GFCI for 40, when they cost almost 30? Is that pure labor? Or labor and materials?
Lol yeah those are old prices!!
Holy crap did I underpay myself last month, no wonder they didn’t bat an eye
No worries brother, I still do it from time to time come I'll walk away from an estimate and be like did I just say I can do it for that price lol
One more question how much should I price for a real life example señor adding 6 cut in boxes up high for a tv so all just get power from a recept near me prly underneath and 2 install a fan so just add the fan box I have my SL n a switch just remove a light add a fan you know it's Hot as Fook here in Az coach I would appreciate it
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In my area if there is no ground wire then u have to use a gfci. what do you mean by bonding the box, wouldn't u have to bring a wire to the panel? do you just mean connecting a bond wire from the rec t the box?
Just a general term meaning if there is an equipment round to bond the box, and thank you for sharing about your GFCI requirements, goes to show you that every area is different!
I never understood why the code will allow you to change a two prong device for like kind but when changing a 3 prong AFCI is required. (where applicable)
Great question, you still have to bring it up to arc fault, you just don't have to make it three prong or TR if you do a like-for-like.
If you change a two prong outlet to three it has to be a GFI
I’m new to the electrical field, so what do you do when you open up a device box and the wires are super short? You can’t cut out bad splices or you won’t have enough wire to put a new splice.
Great question! I've changed out a few receptacles, and rarely do I run into the situation that the wires are not long enough to make jumpers if it's desperate.
If I understand what you’re saying, you could cut the bad splice, use an end stripper, and use Wago’s (REAL ones, like 221’s) to reconnect and pigtail out of the box with an appropriate length.
You don't have to change the breaker if I just change 1 or 2 devices?
If you change the receptacle in area that is required to be AFCI protected or GFCI protected it's required to be even if it's only one device
@@ElectricalCodeCoach wow. Ok thanks for answering my question
So if I find a problem with a receptacle while troubleshooting and end up having to change it I have to upgrade the whole circuit. I didn't know that.
@@ElectricalCodeCoach do you have a code reference for this? Or is it your jurisdiction?
I’ve never added afci to a legacy circuit after replacing a receptacle. Is that just in ur jurisdiction rhats required?
That must be just in his area. Here in Central Florida. If you add to the circuit or add a new circuit then it is required to have Arch fault protection. Never heard of that requirement he is talking about.
A direct replacement is not an upgrade or expansion.
Its found if 406.4(D)(4) ide check it out
Its found if 406.4(D)(4) ide check it out