Great video this and Part 1. I've watched how to rip and Kales Brock and they are helpful but in all honest I've learned more in these last two videos on turn than all of theirs. Something about (and no disrespect) an everyday surfer explaining this and not a surf coach that just makes more sense to me. Would love to see a part 3 if you decided to make one!
Really like the videos!!!! Whenever I overthink my bottom turn, like I try to do too deep of a bottom turn I don’t have enough speed or I lose all my speed. I think I need to lockdown my shallow bottom turns first before trying to go to deep. Going to try these exercises and see how it goes 🤙🏽
Another great explanation and having seen Kale Brock, your videos do a good job complementing and filling in nuggets. When talking about the canvas of the wave, we see the wave from the beach. Time permitting, if you ever get the chance to shoot from a first person POV, that'd be great to share with us how you're reading the wave. Of course nothing beats more time in the water but I'm curious to see what you're doing based on what the wave is giving you. Thx!
i'll give that a go. The only issue is that I don't always look with my head, rather sometimes with my eyes. so seeing certain things might now show up on the POV. I'll try it though.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks Thomye. Just an idea if it is doable at all. I haven't seen anyone yet do 1st person POV and explain what would be good to do and the timing of such. Regardless, learning a lot from your channel already.
I was looking up reviews on the twice baked and found your content to be a goldmine! Super appreciate the way you structurally break down concepts. I’m torn as to what size to go. 5”8 155lbs Asian with scrawny legs too 😂 Beg/intermediate level and surf norcal beach breaks. I currently have a 6”2 lost rnf retro. What was mentioned in your other videos regarding choosing different size boards from already owned was extremely insightful. Would you say that a 5”8 twice baked be a good choice? Thank you so much brother, looking forward to your future content
@@lexdang2551 at 5'8, you and I are the same height but you weigh 10lbs more than I do. Having said that, my 5'3" is plenty for me. So, if I could make a suggestion, I would drop down to a 5'5. The 5'7 Twice Baked is too close to your RNF. It is almost the same width and only 3.5 Liters smaller but in a much shorter package which means all the float will be under your chest and front foot. It might feel tighter than your RNF Retro at times because you lose 7" of distribution. When I sit on my brother 5'5 Baked Potato, the water is just at my thighs. Besides, You have the RNF when you need more board. One last question, do you feel the RNF is too small or too big?
@@ThomyeSurfs Gosh, super solid analysis. The 6”2 RNF feels big in the sense which paddling is concerned, a bit unpleasant to manage in the water. I super appreciate your time!
Great video like so many. In regards to what you said about progressing more rapidly by spending a month surfing every day…planning on getting in 2 straight months of every day next year. Curious if there’s any advice you have from your time doing that. Did you have a plan on what you were specifically working on? Going after specific breaks? Or just lots of repetition?
leading into it, watch as much surfing as you can. especially of those that you want to surf like. Also, make sure you don't have a board that is too small. no point in spending 2 month straight in the water missing waves. Bottom turns. bottom line is, if you can do a good backside bottom turn, that means you can do a good cutback and a good top turn. If you can do a good frontside bottom turn, that means you can do a good backside cutback and backside top turn. there are only 2 real turns, heel and toe side. laybacks and stuff is further down the learning tree. Just remember, more waves the better. speed speed speed. the better you are at getting speed, the easier maneuvers become.
I've been paying more attention to how i turn on my surfskate vs your instructional videos (for surfboards), and it feels a bit different. In your first video you talked about loading up your back foot for your backside turn (to pivot off of) - and straighten the front. It feels like i'm gonna do a wheeley on the surfskate turning this way by loading my back foot. I feel like on a skateboard i'm turning with the front trucks, and not the back, does this sound right? I want to be careful not to develop bad surfing habits by trying to turn how i would my surfskate, acknowledging that it is good for a lot of other stuff.
so, when you are carving back and forth, you will straighten out your front leg more. On longer cutback type turn, especially on a surfskate, you will bend your front knee a bit but remember that your back leg will be bent more. surfskate arcs are too short to get a true apps to apples. It's more like apples and pears. similar, but not exact.
This guys Kale has great videos. this video helps see what I mean in the last response. cutback turns requires you to be lower but watch his heel side turn. ruclips.net/video/v7VH6X793ho/видео.html
Sorry, one last point, actually three. 1) Make sure you back foot on the skate isn't all the way back on the kick, I usually skate with my foot at the base of the kick. 2) Remember that on skateboard, you stance will be typically about 6" narrower than on a surfboard and since the strokes are shorter, it will feel slightly different. If you feel like you are going to wheelie, that might not be a terrible thing. On a surfboard, you want to be super heavy back foot during a turn. 3) at the start of that turn, you back shoulder is trying to dross over that front knee. Your arms out front will also weight your balance forward. if you can, send me video of your skating. tyeguin@gmail.com or upload it to google photos and share it with my email. If you have a youtube account you should have a google photo account already.
let me know if these links work: photos.app.goo.gl/rGbfK53Q7A14bJS67 photos.app.goo.gl/2FDYYbfWAVoVKCZe8 One thing I didn't say in the video is that I think surf skates are great for exercising the same muscles and getting a general reel for the movement and weight distribution, the part that does throw it off is that ground is flat and waves usually have a face. The biggest differences i see in the skate and surf is speed generation. the pumping on the skate is nothing like pumping down the line of a wave. In fact, I think a normal non surf skate is better for learning speed generation.
@@mirco_martin i have not seen any videos out there. more accurately, I have not searched for them. right off the bat, floaters are functional maneuvers. the purpose of them is to get over a small closeout section. sometimes they are used for end maneuvers but unless you are competing, I don't see the point of an end maneuver floater, it seems high on risk and injury for little reward. Anyways, without too much explanation, you need a lot of lateral speed, initially unweight to get your board up on the lip. Basically, you are riding the top of a small barre, A barrel that you might not be able to get into. Initially as you are learning, keep your body weight toward shore . The only bad thing is it makes for a shorter floater but it is safer in the beginning. Then, as you come down from the floater, you want to sort of jump your board over the wave bounce. The impact of the lip coming down makes the wave bounce up and this is where all the risk is. it could sprain your ankle even break it depending on the size of the wave. Anyways, i'll try and do a video soon but it is difficult to talk through a floater. One video I just thought about is from skipper surf review. He did one on foam climbs but when I watched it, they were more like floaters to me. Floaters can be done on white water and on top of barrels. try watching that.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks! A lot! Yes its for the foam or finish the wave, i mean little waves. The weight first is on the back leg ? And then when i on the top the weight pass to the front leg?
@@mirco_martin when you have lateral speed, weight isn't important at the start. It does move slightly to the back because you are taking your board from a low or mid point of the wave to the top. any time you really move the board, you are pretty much doing so by applying weight to the back, Once on top, balanced weight, maybe slightly more to the front so that you don't wheelie out on top of the wave. really hard to pinpoint exact distribution. but if i had to put a number to it, 60/40 front as you are on top.
I call it a super groveler. it's the firewire Twice Baked. height to width to volume, it is perfect for small waves yet still capable of turns. but only small waves.
Great video this and Part 1. I've watched how to rip and Kales Brock and they are helpful but in all honest I've learned more in these last two videos on turn than all of theirs. Something about (and no disrespect) an everyday surfer explaining this and not a surf coach that just makes more sense to me. Would love to see a part 3 if you decided to make one!
He surfs better than most of the surf coaches Ive seen.....!
I agree 100% with this comment!🙂🤙🏼
Dude this content rips! Thank you
Thanks 🙏
This is great! The carver skateboard is definitely a must to have in the quiver 😁
I have three different types, wish I that that Smoothstar so I can do a comparison.
Thanks mate. Both turn vids helped heaps during my sesh today
So well explained thanks! Super helpful hearing your thought process as you draw lines in your surf.
Fanning's surfing finally made sense to me. Being a goofyfooter, all these years watching him with his left foot forward did not help. haha
Fantastic! 🙏🤙🏼
Really like the videos!!!! Whenever I overthink my bottom turn, like I try to do too deep of a bottom turn I don’t have enough speed or I lose all my speed. I think I need to lockdown my shallow bottom turns first before trying to go to deep. Going to try these exercises and see how it goes 🤙🏽
Let me know for sure. I have to get a couple of more videos out about fine tuning the 3 parts I've already put out.
What you can't imagine you will never do.
Great video Thomye! I enjoy all your content. Trying to move more into turns from just single fin trimming and slide-and-glide. Super helpful info. 🤙🏽
Learn the Surf Bottom Turn with this short surf tutorial video! ruclips.net/video/0fUN1aNqyfU/видео.html
Excellent vid! Thanks for the tips!
Thank you
Thanks, legend!
Another great explanation and having seen Kale Brock, your videos do a good job complementing and filling in nuggets. When talking about the canvas of the wave, we see the wave from the beach. Time permitting, if you ever get the chance to shoot from a first person POV, that'd be great to share with us how you're reading the wave. Of course nothing beats more time in the water but I'm curious to see what you're doing based on what the wave is giving you. Thx!
i'll give that a go. The only issue is that I don't always look with my head, rather sometimes with my eyes. so seeing certain things might now show up on the POV. I'll try it though.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks Thomye. Just an idea if it is doable at all. I haven't seen anyone yet do 1st person POV and explain what would be good to do and the timing of such. Regardless, learning a lot from your channel already.
I was looking up reviews on the twice baked and found your content to be a goldmine! Super appreciate the way you structurally break down concepts. I’m torn as to what size to go. 5”8 155lbs Asian with scrawny legs too 😂 Beg/intermediate level and surf norcal beach breaks. I currently have a 6”2 lost rnf retro. What was mentioned in your other videos regarding choosing different size boards from already owned was extremely insightful. Would you say that a 5”8 twice baked be a good choice? Thank you so much brother, looking forward to your future content
What's the liters on the RNF?
Tommy!!! it’s 42 liters.
@@lexdang2551 at 5'8, you and I are the same height but you weigh 10lbs more than I do. Having said that, my 5'3" is plenty for me. So, if I could make a suggestion, I would drop down to a 5'5. The 5'7 Twice Baked is too close to your RNF. It is almost the same width and only 3.5 Liters smaller but in a much shorter package which means all the float will be under your chest and front foot. It might feel tighter than your RNF Retro at times because you lose 7" of distribution.
When I sit on my brother 5'5 Baked Potato, the water is just at my thighs. Besides, You have the RNF when you need more board.
One last question, do you feel the RNF is too small or too big?
@@ThomyeSurfs Gosh, super solid analysis. The 6”2 RNF feels big in the sense which paddling is concerned, a bit unpleasant to manage in the water. I super appreciate your time!
🤙🙌
Great video like so many. In regards to what you said about progressing more rapidly by spending a month surfing every day…planning on getting in 2 straight months of every day next year. Curious if there’s any advice you have from your time doing that. Did you have a plan on what you were specifically working on? Going after specific breaks? Or just lots of repetition?
leading into it, watch as much surfing as you can. especially of those that you want to surf like. Also, make sure you don't have a board that is too small. no point in spending 2 month straight in the water missing waves. Bottom turns. bottom line is, if you can do a good backside bottom turn, that means you can do a good cutback and a good top turn. If you can do a good frontside bottom turn, that means you can do a good backside cutback and backside top turn. there are only 2 real turns, heel and toe side. laybacks and stuff is further down the learning tree. Just remember, more waves the better.
speed speed speed. the better you are at getting speed, the easier maneuvers become.
watch my speed generation video. learn to tic tac, super helpful.
The secret is how and where to apply pressure on your fins.....body will follow...not the other way around
I've been paying more attention to how i turn on my surfskate vs your instructional videos (for surfboards), and it feels a bit different. In your first video you talked about loading up your back foot for your backside turn (to pivot off of) - and straighten the front. It feels like i'm gonna do a wheeley on the surfskate turning this way by loading my back foot. I feel like on a skateboard i'm turning with the front trucks, and not the back, does this sound right? I want to be careful not to develop bad surfing habits by trying to turn how i would my surfskate, acknowledging that it is good for a lot of other stuff.
so, when you are carving back and forth, you will straighten out your front leg more. On longer cutback type turn, especially on a surfskate, you will bend your front knee a bit but remember that your back leg will be bent more. surfskate arcs are too short to get a true apps to apples. It's more like apples and pears. similar, but not exact.
This guys Kale has great videos. this video helps see what I mean in the last response. cutback turns requires you to be lower but watch his heel side turn. ruclips.net/video/v7VH6X793ho/видео.html
Sorry, one last point, actually three. 1) Make sure you back foot on the skate isn't all the way back on the kick, I usually skate with my foot at the base of the kick. 2) Remember that on skateboard, you stance will be typically about 6" narrower than on a surfboard and since the strokes are shorter, it will feel slightly different. If you feel like you are going to wheelie, that might not be a terrible thing. On a surfboard, you want to be super heavy back foot during a turn. 3) at the start of that turn, you back shoulder is trying to dross over that front knee. Your arms out front will also weight your balance forward.
if you can, send me video of your skating. tyeguin@gmail.com or upload it to google photos and share it with my email. If you have a youtube account you should have a google photo account already.
@@ThomyeSurfs yup -he was my motivation to get a surfskate :)
let me know if these links work:
photos.app.goo.gl/rGbfK53Q7A14bJS67
photos.app.goo.gl/2FDYYbfWAVoVKCZe8
One thing I didn't say in the video is that I think surf skates are great for exercising the same muscles and getting a general reel for the movement and weight distribution, the part that does throw it off is that ground is flat and waves usually have a face.
The biggest differences i see in the skate and surf is speed generation. the pumping on the skate is nothing like pumping down the line of a wave. In fact, I think a normal non surf skate is better for learning speed generation.
bro! please i would like a video about floater! or some advice about it.
that might be an easy one. let me see what I can do. i don't do them too often so i'll have to think about how to teach it.
@@ThomyeSurfs yes or maybe you can say me how can i do, or recommend me a good video-tutorial.
@@mirco_martin i have not seen any videos out there. more accurately, I have not searched for them. right off the bat, floaters are functional maneuvers. the purpose of them is to get over a small closeout section. sometimes they are used for end maneuvers but unless you are competing, I don't see the point of an end maneuver floater, it seems high on risk and injury for little reward.
Anyways, without too much explanation, you need a lot of lateral speed, initially unweight to get your board up on the lip. Basically, you are riding the top of a small barre, A barrel that you might not be able to get into. Initially as you are learning, keep your body weight toward shore . The only bad thing is it makes for a shorter floater but it is safer in the beginning. Then, as you come down from the floater, you want to sort of jump your board over the wave bounce. The impact of the lip coming down makes the wave bounce up and this is where all the risk is. it could sprain your ankle even break it depending on the size of the wave.
Anyways, i'll try and do a video soon but it is difficult to talk through a floater.
One video I just thought about is from skipper surf review. He did one on foam climbs but when I watched it, they were more like floaters to me. Floaters can be done on white water and on top of barrels. try watching that.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks! A lot! Yes its for the foam or finish the wave, i mean little waves. The weight first is on the back leg ? And then when i on the top the weight pass to the front leg?
@@mirco_martin when you have lateral speed, weight isn't important at the start. It does move slightly to the back because you are taking your board from a low or mid point of the wave to the top. any time you really move the board, you are pretty much doing so by applying weight to the back, Once on top, balanced weight, maybe slightly more to the front so that you don't wheelie out on top of the wave. really hard to pinpoint exact distribution. but if i had to put a number to it, 60/40 front as you are on top.
What type of board do you use to be able to surf such small waves? Is it a groveler?
I call it a super groveler. it's the firewire Twice Baked. height to width to volume, it is perfect for small waves yet still capable of turns. but only small waves.