The Grief chapter was such a waste! why did Cordelia spend that time mourning for James and Mathew (which both the reader and characters) know are alive? Missed opportunity. Where was Cecily? Where was Gabriel? Where were the parents? Charles had more a reaction in being told Christopher was dead than his friends.. sad lol
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The way Matthew,the MOST emotional and dramatic guy in this books,the one who have been torturing himself and morning the dead of a baby who wasn’t even born for the past 3 years,had the most bland and stoic reaction to the dead of his Best Friend? Cassandra need to know her own characters cause tf was that😂😂😂 And James the so much called “lider” who look up for everybody,was literally thinking about how hot was his wife with his best friend body beside him like,he has a stronger reaction to Belial possessing a kid he doesn’t know than the dead of his cousin like 😭
I think Christophers death could have been written so much better. I love him so much too, but nobody mourned him basically, so as I reader I had no time to mourn him because there was never a moment to. The emotional crumbs we got about the aftermath were good but not enough :(
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Exactly the lack of like attention to it, the fact that there was no funeral, we never saw his parents reaction to it or anyone’s really I truly thought we had to be bringing him back that there *had* to be more there was a whole grief chapter and I still felt like no one even noticed kit was gone besides that no one could finish his fire messages it took me me so long to realise oh okay we really aren’t bringing him back what
I actually feel the opposite. Yes, we could have had his parents reaction but honestky I was so shocked and so pissed and sad for his death that reading that, --along with Anna reaction and beautiful's POV of Cordelia talking about grief-- would have devastated me. I literrally cried my eyes out in the scene where he appeared before Grace so, for me she mention his deth as much as she should
A Jesse and Lucie wedding would’ve been a serve for sure but what I’m REALLY pissed about is we never got a scene where James and Cordelia give each other the final marriage runes to truly seal their union 😭
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There was a lack of emotions in this book, I think we should have seen all the parents grief. Like it's crazy to me that we didn't see the parents and the family grief, they are not only friends, they are also family. Tatiana killed her brothers children! Twice! And it was all wiped under the rug. Missed opportunity to make the reader feel something in a book with a mediocre plot with banale villains.
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For real too cause if don’t have a good villain and a good plot,at least use your characters well so we can have a decent story,but she couldn’t even do that😭
I wished we would had seen Gabriel and Cecily’s reaction to Kit’s death. We barely saw anyone reacting to it other than Anna and Thomas and it just felt incomplete. I guess the future Lightwoods will come from baby Alexander, then, for it to make sense that Alec has the same dark hair and blue eyes as Will, Cecily and Anna. Also… Belial’s talking bird demon 😂😂
There is never a moment in which we are actually worried that Cordelia will end with Matthew rather than James. We never for a moment doubt that Thomas and Alastair would not end up together, or Ariadne and Anna. The only interesting pair is the one in which we know less about, Grace and Christopher. But alas.
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The scene where Will used a phone and I think it was the inquisitor on the other line yelling in his ear was the funniest thing to me. “IDENTIFY YOURSELF” I was literally crying.
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How underwhelming was the villain in this book? Belial is so weak. The whole Lilith-paladin plotline is so boring and could be cut out of the book. Tatiana could have been a great villain because she's mad, but she was underwealming and cartoonish too. Bring back toxic Valentine destroying his family for a purpose. Bring back psychotic Sebastian. Sebastian has so much more ambition than Belial. I can't understand why these Princes of Hell are so stupid. Why is Belial a model grandfather to James compared to how Valentine was a father to his children. Bring toxic villains back.
Omg completely agree! Belial became a joke. Like a Disney villain, if that. And Lilith was terrifying in TMI but was basically just some lady in this book 😂 Like she could’ve done so much more!
Thissss!! Tatiana was a Better villain than belial because she was human and driven to evil because she snapped from grief. That alone had more depth than some supposedly all powerful prince of hell who wants to be the monarch of England? Like?? Dumbest stakes I think I’ve read in ANY of her books. Lilith served no purpose in this books. All of her best villains are HUMAN. Don’t get me started on changing belial completely? And taking James and Lucies powers with him. But Tessa still has her powers. MAKES NO SENSE.
The fact that SO MANY sentences were just “Cordelia ran”. It started to bother me towards the end cz then every time it would happen again I’d just be like “of course she did.”
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@@affunoor4955 I’m glad it wasn’t just me who it bothered 🤣🤣🤣 and Cassie had said before its release that the last word is “ran” so when it kept coming up I was like “okay great, the book will end with Cordelia running” 🤣🤣
fr!! One problem I've always had with the way Cordelia's character was written is the fact that she sexualized almost half the time in the book, she was less sexualized in Chain of Gold, and I feel like we understood her character more as well. We can't forget to mention she is one of the main POC and WOC characters in this book; sexual objectification is real for POC/WOC characters. We see and read it all the time. I came into this book thinking, "I better have a badass Cordelia," and that we did not have. The Lilith storyline could've been so much MORE. I wanted her to feel empowered, like how she was in book one. Instead, we had her being angsty, confused and running. And then she kills Tatiana, and we get no discussion about it.
No but honestly, Grace’s arc? I loved it sooo much! Also the fact that she invented the fire message? A queen. Also, I am a Jesse Blackthorn Stan, I said it
Am i the only one who thought that Jesse getting so angry with Grace to be so out of character? Also Jesse/Grace should have had much more conflcting feelings towards Tatiana about hate/love, much like Clary,Jace, Sebastian have them over Jocelyn and Valentine.
I think we all have to admit that this book was mid at best. It felt like a feel good story about nonsense. There were no consequences for anything. There was nothing harsh, nothing emotional, no stakes. Everybody just turns into a goody-goody by the end. What a waste of a perfect cast of characters. Chain of Gold was perfection. Chain of Iron was okay. Chain of Thorns was mediocre on a good day.
I completely agree with you. It was so slow at times and we were told it would be a totally different book. Anyways, I hope the Wicked Powers is going to be her best work yet in the series otherwise…
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I was expecting Cordelia to have this epic battle in the book and the WHOLE book she did not have a single good battle just stood there watching everyone fight. Of course she doesn't wanna summon Lilith but there could've been a bigger battle at the end with belial
Cassie said at her GA tour stop she wanted to write a book/novella like Magnus’s for one of the TLH characters because their story didn’t feel finished and we would understand after we read it so I believe it is Matthew since he really is the only one who didn’t have his storyline end like the others did. Where this book is concerned overall I really wanted to love it but it just felt so detached to me and completely different from the first 2 in this series. Then there was the pacing problem, and so many unnecessary scenes and not any of the scenes that would’ve brought the feelings and what this book needed. I don’t know it just made me feel so sad finishing it because it just fell flat for me.
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This book was a letdown for me. 😭 I mean, yes, i enjoyed it but the pace felt so ridiculously slow and it made me so frustrated. And so many things weren't shown, just told to us which felt weird with how long the book was.
i wish we saw more of them grieving christopher, and we didn’t see his parents reactions at all?? i really think there should be like two companion novels centred around the remaining last hours cast, we definitely need more. i need to know what happens to them after, like we literally knew everything about will’s life at the end of clockwork princess but nothing for them??😭
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Since by the end everyone is perfectly happy, perfectly good, perfectly content.... it makes the book unnecessary, because nothing of consequence happened? Except Christopher, but they didn't seem to care that much...
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Honestly, Cordelia and James' unconditional love feels forced. There, I said it. Sorry people. Jesse and Lucie, I can see it. Alastair and Thomas, I can see it. Anna and Ari, I can kinda see it? It's okay, but could have been better if it was less repetitive, but i can see it.
Exactly I just have not been invested in their relationship I didn’t care about there cute moments or happy ending I was 100x more invested in Grace and Kit than I was James and Cordelia and Grace and Kit never so much as held hands and so much of the emotional weight of this book is reliant on you being invested in their love
@@jessicahaley666 The whole thing with her and Lucie was ridiculous the entire time I just wanted Cordelia to Shut up, like she made everything about her in this book
Oh wow I thought I was the only one and couldn’t quite figure out why. I was just thinking to myself, why is it that I didn’t feel anything for James and Cordelia. Like we all knew there was no chance for Matthew but I honestly was like I couldn’t care less who she ends up with, I felt nothing for either one. But I was super invested in Jesse and lucie.
It might be a bit of an unpopular opinion but in this book I kind of shipped Matthew and Cordelia. The lack of communication between James and Cordelia did not help, and it just felt like Matthew treats her better overall. Not that I disliked James and Cordelia's relationship, and I knew it was end game.
@Daphne Krisp It may be due to the fact that we get to see Matthew and Cordelia doing things and making memories together? Like they go to shopping together,they go to restaurant,museums and actually got time to know each other and enjoy their company, but Cordelia and James didn’t have any of that,they don’t literally one scene of them just enjoying time together like? How are they even in love and why😭
My issue with the miscommunication in Chain of Thorns is that it was so reminiscent of the miscommunication in The Infernal Devices, with one key exception. Will HAD to keep things about his feeling from Tessa to keep her literally alive, or at least in his reality he had to. James had no reason except his pride to keep the bracelet a secret, and it was SO FRUSTRATING!!!!! The Esme Hightower stuff was so funny, and I also wish we knew more about the future of these characters!
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As frustrating as James not telling Cordelia or anyone about the bracelet at first was, I eventually really started to feel for him as it became clear he was harboring a lot of shame and guilt that were clearly trauma responses from being essentially controlled and manipulated without his knowledge or consent for so long, and it kind of made sense in a way that he would just want to bury that and move on out of fear that the people in his life would think it defined him somehow
How is it posible that you,with a 5 minute or least comment described James trauma with Grace literally abusing him all his life and forcing himself in him better than a 800 page BOOK? Like? The fact that CC didn’t even address the importance of consent with Grace and James situación? Didn’t Grace forced him to kiss him in book 2 and he was literally almost throwing up? Didn’t she also forced Matthew to kiss her? Like why don’t we get a consent lesson,she’s obsessed with lessons but let the most crucial ones left out …
Watching the parents leave is so much harder now that they're characters we know and love and trust. When you're reading TMI and Robert and Marys are just gone all the time, you're like, yeah makes sense they're kinda absent parents (at least at first) and it's a YA novel so obviously the 16 year olds need space to do their thing. And when you don't know the parents, you can't really know for sure that they'd help. But in TLH, it's like... that's Will and Tessa's children! They are babies! Stop hiding things from your parents, we KNOW they could help you!
- I really loved all of Cordelia and Alistair's sibling moments!! Lmao every time Alistair asks Cordelia if he needs to beat up James or Matthew. Alistair's whole mood and commentary about the whole Cordelia, James, and Matthew situation had me cracking up 😂 - Thomas revealing he's been learning Persian 🥰 and when he's coming out to his family, I love him saying that he's going to spend the rest of his life with Alistair Carstairs. They are so freaking adorable!! - I really wished we could've gotten more time with Christopher!! He was such a sweet, pure character and even though we knew the family tree wasn't accurate I was still holding onto the idea of him and Grace eventually getting married. I definitely wish there was a scene with Gabriel and Cecily learning Christopher died and to see all the other adults grieve him. Like we saw Sophie and Gideon grieve Barbara and we never even knew her. - I'm happy we got to meet baby Zachary and got to learn how great Alistair is with the baby! Also, since we know that Alistair isn't going to have kids and Cordelia's kids will of course be Herondales that means Emma comes from Zachary's line. - I liked the epilogue, but at the same time it didn't really feel like an epilogue. It felt different from all of Cassie Clare's other finale epilogues. I would've liked having like 2-3 more chapters to give everyone more of a clear ending. - Btw Tessa can still shapeshift! I think it was mentioned somewhere that she didn't do it for a while after she shifted into Ithuriel in Clockwork Princess because it caused her pain, but she did eventually start doing it again. In one of the stories of Ghosts of the Shadow Market, Tessa shifted into Rosemary (Kit's mom), but ended up having complications with it because she was pregnant with Mina and didn't know it.
I think the tree was originally real when Cassie wrote Clockwork Princess. My theory is that she made it "fake" in this series, cause if it was real it would've been the biggest spoiler for TLH.
Seeing the connection between Chain of Thorns and Secrets of Blackthorn Hall was so interesting to me. I have a feeling James’s gun will be instrumental in The Wicked Powers. (IYKYK) Christopher deserved so much better, and I will forever be angry that his death was a part of the she devil’s redemption. 🥺
There were too many POV's in this book. Especially since it's a book about keeping secrets, and then the consequences of keeping secrets. Apart from the fact that there were no consequences, lol, as a reader i was so bored, because we knew everything so there was never nothing except mild frustration from the miscommunication. So there is no suspense, no stakes. We knew everything would resolve perfectly because we are in everyone's head.
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I honestly agree, since it is the shadowhunter book it took me months to finish it. There were in my opinion too many descriptions of places but above all, too many POV. Like when you were hooked in one story you change to know how the others are doing and kind of slow me a bit
She mentioned at her last book signing in LA that she regrets the family tree she made previously and wishes she would have waited. So it sounds like she is not done with these characters. Which I hope she never is 😁 I could read about these characters for a long time!
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I don't understand why Cassie felt the need to make everyone a model citizen by the end. Charles comes out, Alastair becomes a mary-sue, Grace personality is nowhere to be seen. They are all best of friends? Why? Is this elementary school when the teacher forced everyone to be friends? Felt forced and banale.
Every time I remember the scene of the Merry Thieves sleeping together in Matthew´s apartment and James decriptions of them sprawled one on top of the other like a "liltter of puppies" I cry.... Because that litter is ever going to be complete again 😭 Cassie broke my heart
i totally agree this didn't feel like a wrap up of a series. we had no time to sit with the characters post battle and there was NO time to mourn christopher. i will never get over how good graces redemption arc was tho like im now inlove with her. i need a novella of TID and TLH living happy little lives and having fun time. i also NEED a family tree omlll i need it
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this is the first book of hers in a while that disappointed me-although it was still a fun read!! excited to watch this and hear all ur thoughts as well even if theyre different from mine
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Watching your booktalks is always a must after a Shadowhunter book, it's so nice to hear someone discuss it, since none of my irls have read it yet 🥰 I really loved this one, even though to me this trilogy can't compare to her other ones. I felt like the ending was a bit... not too much of an ending, tbh, and hearing you say how she might not be done with the characters makes a lot of sense. I just hope I'm not hyping myself over nothing 😅 But in all honesty, I think I just need more Will in my life 😭
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I couldn't cry I was so mad, his death made no narrative sence and had no impact. He just died so that nobody could say "oh no important character died, how unrealistic." His death was just such a none event... it's just bad writing and I expected more. It just decreases the quality of the book and the story so much.
I was a little underwhelmed with Chain of Thorns I still loved it but I was kinda left feeling confused like not a lot of things were perfectly wrapped up
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Yes!!!! Watching this video was so validating! Also your comment about maybe we could see Alexander's POV - Cassie has crafted a whole new generation with Sona's baby, Charlotte's twins, Alexander, and I'm guessing Anna and Ari will adopt asap so that's 5 right there?! And maybe TLH cast will start having kiddos?? Shadowhunters is such a generational story that I could actually potentially see this happening 🤞Also CoT just did not feel like a satisfying conclusion so this theory is now keeping me going
Am I the only one who really wanted the epilogue to be a flash forward in the future where we see the TLH cast with their kids??? Like to see James and Cordelia with kids, and Lucie and Jesse married with kids and Thomas and Alistair possibly adopting. Just seeing a glimpse of them all grown up with kids. I feel Cassie kinda left it open to interpretation, but I just feel like there's still a lot of story to tell with this cast of characters and I very eagerly want to see more of them and how there stories played out beyond this finale. We definitely NEED a legit and updated family tree because there's so many gaps in between, and I feel there was so much potential to do more besides just wrapping up a few months after.
Yes! It would have also been nice for her to connect the epilogue to secrets of blackthorn hall a bit more. To see if lucie and Jessie lived in it and were the ones who renovated it and updated it to the 1960s
How did Charlotte and Henry raise such a douchey child (Charles) like honestly. Percy Weasley vibes lol. I honestly kept waiting for Cordelia to heal Christopher with Cortana -__-
On Cassie's tour someone asked her if this would be the last book where we would read about these characters and she said that she had in mind a collection of short stories for one of the characters. She didn't want to specify who but, maybe Mathew? 👁️
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Although I loved Chain of Thorns I was expecting a Clockwork Princess epilogue and this epilogue felt so pointless and open. It doesn’t feel done and Cassie has shared the original ending on tumblr and it was sadder but it felt so much more concluding
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Tessa still has her powers! She used them in Magnus' books and when they were looking for kit. At one point a potion messed with it and broke her out of the change I believe and another time she got stuck in a change and they later found out she was pregnant (I dont remember if that was why she got stuck) but I'm thinking maybe she gets to keep her powers cuz she's the direct decendant and is technically a warlock. James and Lucie bore no other magical traits the way she did (immortality and such) they were just normal shadowhunters with demon blood that gave them each a power. So it makes sense they'd lose them when he died
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My family tree theory is that James and Cordelia lead us to Jace (obviously), Lucie and Jesse give us the Blackthorns, and then all the three young kids give us the other lines, so Zachary Carstairs leads us to Emma, then Alexander Lightwood leads us to Alec and Izzy, which follows since Alec’s full name is Alexander and then we know Alec and Izzy have to be descended from Cecily since Alec has Will and Cecily’s eyes (the only random thing here is that Alec and Izzy’s middle names are Sophie and Gideon but… I will take genetics over the middle name choice lol). I think the Fairchild family tree is the most unclear bc it could be Matthew or, I think it would be cool if one of the twins was a girl and her kids got the last name Fairchild, just like Clary chooses to be a Fairchild and Charlotte’s kids are Fairchilds too.
Also, did anyone else expect her to tie in some things that happened with this book to the next triology with Kit and Ty? She had mentioned before that things from this story tie in directly with the next series, so I kept waiting for something big to happen.
I think the tie in is that there is a new Belial. We know that the next trilogy will be about whatever the princes of hell are planning, and the new belial promised to leave the blackthorns and herondales alone. Ty and Kit are both from those families so it may affect Belial’s plans with his brothers if those plans involve either of those families.
She said that we were gonna find out Kit Herondale name is Kit because it was somehow related to Chris and that never happened, she said we will find out what Anna was doing in COI, and a lot more, she had a vision of it first, being dark and etc, and then she didn't stick to it and made it a happy ending, so a lot off things just got lost in the change, now she said she might write a novela, and honestly is just annoying. This was not the book she had been talking about for years so yeah, it makes sense thing didn't add up
Thank you for pointing out the many, many flaws and plotholes in this book 😅 I was so frustrated with everything. And Cassie DID US DIRTY with that family tree and killing Christopher off like that.
After finally finishing that door stopper of a book, I finally have some thoughts. I was so blindsided by Christopher as a family tree truther as well and I legitimately until the last page was waiting for him to come back somehow. They were at the park and James said something about seeing Christopher near the water in his dreams waiting and I was like this is it, he’s coming right now, and I cannot tell you the heartbreak I felt when it just ended without him. I thought that was why I wasn’t the biggest fan of then end but it also felt a little anticlimactic. Overall, I think this book had absolutely fantastic character moments and all of the character scenes I loved even as far as Tatiana then obviously with all the younger characters and the parents and Magnus and stuff but the plot wasn’t my favorite. The watcher bit was really cool but the end just getting solved so quickly and belial really wanting to be crowned felt a little too contrived for me. Somehow, even after 800 pages, I felt like the book was too rushed. Maybe it was just so many characters to follow but I felt like I just needed more and everything had to happen so fast. It kept the book very interesting, I just felt like there was no time to sit with anything. Overall, though, I loved it, solid 3.5/5 stars ok the shadowhunter scale! Thank you so much for your book talk, you had me cracking up the entire time and I always love to hear your thoughts!
Kit's death made absolutely no sense to me aside from the heartbreak- the family lineage! Because we knew Anna wasn't going to continue it, Kit's just dead, Thomas and Alister probs won't. So I was very confused until I remembered baby lightwood that almost died. I'm assuming the same with how Cordelias new baby brother will be Emma's relative. The babies ended up sorting out the family tree.
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45:19 thanks for mentionijg the percy jackson vibes, they threw me off soooo much. Don‘t get me wrong, rick riordan is great and I loved his books, but the flying horse thing talking with a london accent took me so out of the high-stakes scenario and it felt very childish, which again, is completely fine in books with that vibe but for me didn‘t fit here
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I feel like Cassie is saving the Clace wedding for the very last shadowhunter book (the last wicked power book, i guess) would be fitting to end the story like that and would explain why she is making clary weirdly avoiding the wedding
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@@polandbananasBOOKS The way they treated Alastair like garbage for repeating a rumor and no one even said well is not THAT deep but they all were ok with Grace assaulting James,forcing him to kiss her and manipulating him for so LONG? And oh yes how precious of kit wanting to prevent hate? He was very much happy to follow his friends in the Alastair hate trend,but he couldn’t keep the same energy with Grace😂
@@Moonlightss320because the backstory is Alastair bullied them all for YEARS, and that was the final straw. Matthew took that rumor to heart and poisoned his own mother as a result. Of course no one forced Matthew to do what he did, but words do have a domino effect on people. I didn’t see that everyone was ok with what Grace did. Kit was the only one defending her, and even after he died she was kept at a reluctant distance from the rest of the group.
I almost cried every time James thought of Grace because he was SA for years. He couldn't tell Cordelia which is clear when she tells him she knows and he physically flinches and resides deeper into himself. 😭
I’ve never read a bad shadowhunters book, but I will say this might be my least favorite. The first half was so. Slow. I think we all knew James would have to confess to Cordelia at some point, and so dragging that out through 400 pages was aggravating. I also feel like there was less action in this book than in other ones. I had more fun with the second half, other than with Christopher 😒😭, and I’m glad the couples are altogether, but there are some things I would’ve loved to change
Spoilers from Ghost of the Shadow Market. Tessa does not lose her ability to change. She ends up having issues with it in one of the stories, because she gets stabbed while pregnant with Mina. So yeah, I don't understand why she did not lose her abilities when Belial died.
This is extremely controversial, but I think, and remember this is controversial, that this series could’ve been a novella. There I said it. Don’t get me wrong I love the cast of characters so much they have my whole head but seriously it could’ve been a novella.
I was waiting so bad for this video, and i enjoyed SO MUCH. I felt empty when i finished the book, it was like, there is so MUCH Cassie didnt tell us, and the Christopher death... it affect me so bad, but,... i didnt feel that from them! that was frustrating, the only one how was really affected was Grace and i HATED that even her didnt have a really happy ending, god after all she suffer? i cant believe i'm defending her
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About the family trees: I've been thinking about this for years and it's driving me crazy. I think we have to consider that the "modern day" Lightwoods/Carstairs/Fairchilds aren't actually descendants of the TLH characters, but their little siblings (Alex, Zachary Arash and potentially the Fairchild twins). Hear me out. I'm convinced the modern Lightwoods are descended from Cecily because a)Izzy has her necklace and more importantly b) I'm pretty sure Magnus says in TMI that Alec has Will's (and Cecily's) blue Herondale eyes and black hair, which would make them biological descendants, not just by adoption. So that gene can't come from Anna Lightwood (IVF wasn't a thing and having biological kids would involve a major character change that i don't see happening for her). We used to think it was Christopher's line, but clearly not (sob). And i think it's mentioned in TMI that Alec is named after an ancestor, so baby Alex seems the most likely option for me. By this theory, Anna must at some point have passed the necklace to her brother's daughter or granddaughter, else it wouldn't have ended up in Izzy's line. Then there's the Carstairs': When Emma gets Cortana, it has been a Carstairs family heirloom for generations. Since Cordelia is now a Herondale, Emma can't be descendent from her (which is a shame because they're very alike). That also means that Cordelia didn't pass Cortana to her own children but back into the Carstairs family. If Cortana just stays within the name and not necessarily the bloodline, she could pass it on to any adopted kid Alastair and Thomas may have and Emma could decend from them (if their last name is Carstairs and not Lightwood). If it's both name and bloodline, though, it would have to be Zachary Arash's children who are Emma's ancestors. With the Fairchilds, i guess we have to wait and see. Sorry if someone else has already said this. Also, it's been a long time since i read tmi so i might not remember correctly 🙈 And obviously it's Cassie so you never know...
I really agree with everyone’s comments but one thing I wish Cassie would’ve wrote was the second wedding runes being exchanged…and maybe instead of kit dying..if she really wanted to kill someone else maybe like ari I liked her but kit was one of the merry thieves( I feel like grace and him were robbed of a chance to work together and their future) and I think we could see growth from Anna and her grieving process for ari…also this plot and villain seemed kinda predictable and weak when compared to other Cassie finales
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cassie said that she’s going to be writing a novella for one of the last hours characters and whilst it’s mostly likely going to be Matthew, i think she could make one for james/cordelia, thomas/alastair and anna/ari. like they’re all on holiday or doing something big😭
@Daphne Krisp yeah no definitely it’s going to be a novella like simon’s, magnus’ and jem’s, i’m just saying it would be nice to have a companion novel set after his novella and we see what they were all up to and properly tie up the TPH cast since the ending was so open-ended
SHITSHOW of a book. Sweeping Kit’s death under the rug like it never happened, his friends not even mourning him, Cordelia grieving James and Matthew when they were ALIVE. The MISCOMMUNICATION between ALL CHARACTERS was ridiculous. Not having a funeral for Kit or showing any of the reactions from his parents or any of the Merry Thieves but from mainly just Anna and Grace. The finale being the most mid battle scene to exist and to be like three pages long. Plots left wide open. It truly feels like Cassie just didn’t care anymore and doesn’t know her characters like she used to. And that genuinely scares me for what she could end up doing for twp. But all in all- Kit deserved so much better especially when he was treated like an idiot for all three books just to end up practically saving them. It’s a shame, really. What could’ve been an epic finale to a great series ended up being a the opposite and most hated.
The only thing that could’ve saved this book for me would’ve been if James died, he is just sooooo boooooring and the romance was so dead. Just like, this was all so long and predictable, same tropes but done without passion, so I wanted to be surprised in the end with “and then James died! Or Cordelia or everyone” That would’ve been more interesting imo. AND TOO MUCH MISCOMMUNICATION BRO, too unrealistic!!!!
I believe that the Blackthorne's line comes after Jesse and Lucie, the Lightwoods from little Alex Lightwood, and the Fairchild's... well we don't know anything about the twins but I'm hopefully that Clary comes after Matthew
Christopher and Grace became the most interesting couple to me but I get why he died. He couldn’t really end up with the woman who in some ways assaulted and violated James. There’s no way I could see that not being awkward forever. But I wish the other characters were as sad about his death as I was lol.
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Literally,and even if they got together I know CC would make James forgive Grace and even to befriend her,wish is not okay considering he literally assaulted him like 💀💀
Christine! Love your videos Just a quick note - I thought you didn't make this review because it wasn't in the last hours playlist on youtube hahaha I was literally ripping my hair out wondering if you had something against the book so didn't review it HAHAH
Something I’ve never thought until these books was that Tessa had to bury and outlive not only her beloved husband, Will, but all so her children. She had to see James and Lucie die, and then their kids, her grandchildren. How painful of a life must it be
So I finally finished the book today and as soon as I did I came to watch your booktalk 💛 I think what I loved the most about this book is the sibling moments between Cordelia and Alastair, I could relate so hard to their relationship and how it evolved because it is very similar to the way my brother and I interact, so it was really touching for me to see them be so apart from each other and then build that closeness and trust again. On another note, I don’t know if this happened to any of you as well, but… like, what kept me glued to the book was this need of seeing Cordelia and James FINALLY get together, as in having no more secrets between them, acknowledging their mutual love and all. And then when it happened I wasn’t as interested in the rest of the story, but Christopher’s death was definitely the most shocking and sad momento for me. Although I did cry a bit afterwards with certain scenes it wasn’t anything like when I read Clockwork Princess or City of Heavenly Fire. Also, it was very interesting reading CoT while reading at the same time Secrets of Blackthorn Hall, to know the way the modern characters we love view or see events past and their ancestors. Plus, I agree that the sex scene in this book is the sexiest of the whole Shadowhunter universe jaja but in a explicit way, and though I liked it, I kinda missed the way Cassie normally writes those scenes, you know? I’m a more subtle and elegant way. I think I find that waaaaay more sexy and appealing that being more explicit, as it often happens in YA books. (On that note, such a big fixation on Cordelia’s breasts omg, don’t know if there could’ve been other way to describe that she had a different body type than the normally skinny small chested women).
I wanted to love this book but it really fell flat for me. I am SO attached to this cast of characters, but there were many decisions CC made that just don’t make sense. I felt as if the stakes weren’t high enough and Belial was lame. The entire Lilith plot was stupid. The love triangle was unnecessary. Christopher’s death did not serve any purpose and was glossed over. I wanted more of the adults that we love to play a bigger role in the story. I just… I wanted so much more
I just finished the book and I have to put my opinion into the world somewhere. Yes, the plot was predictable in some ways and we could sit here and nit pick all day. My one complaint was how little we dove into any of the downworld in this book like we do in others, but here’s the biggest thing for me. These characters were absolutely magical and I love them to death. My queer heart is always happy to see queer couples that both get to live out their stories and be happy, and I don’t see a ton of people mentioning that part of it. I’m also just such a sucker for romance lol. Bottom line, I’m always trying to remember that Cassie is writing these characters how she views them and fleshing out their stories how she sees fit, whether that fits what we as readers want or not. I didn’t like TDA which many people I know disagree with, absolutely hate Julian’s character, but it was a good thing to remember that Cassie loves him and wrote him how he is for a reason, and I can see what could be to like and why his story was written as it was. Hopefully what I said made sense, maybe this is my long way of saying sentimentally I adored this book and this trilogy, despite other people’s opinions and I want to see what other people see in the series that I have the most criticism for personally. I’m bad at writing forgive me if somehow someone reads this😂
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I knew James was gonna see them happy and not tell her the truth and I literally also imagined Grace telling her the truth about the bracelet. but I truly hoped that you would be wrong about Mathew not leaving the alcohol in the review of the chain of iron.
I kinda want Alexander Lightwood to be the tree branch that leads down to TMI Lightwoods, because that means Alec and Jace would be distantly related because of WIll and Cecily being siblings. I'm hoping for a real family tree, as well!
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I live for your Shadowhunter book talks, I was dying laughing :) I think this series has been my favorite, I feel like the characters are my friends (nerd things). My main issue was like you said, the ending didn't feel like a real ending, so I'm kind of hoping we will get more books with these characters or at least their kids. I especially wish we had gotten more Anna and Ari content because at the end, most of the couples got a little "wrap-up" section, and they got like one sentence. I wanted to see them actually verbally acknowledging their feelings and be on the same page for once. I definitely still adore this series though.
the moment when they started talking about the family tree had me yelling like THIS IS HOW THIS WAS WRITTEN??? but i also thought it was super interesting how they started to go more into god/devil stuff at the end rather than just angels and demons-maybe i’m remembering wrong but i feel like this is one of the first times we’re talking about god as an actual character in these books
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I’m pretty sure it is cause I remember reading the first like reference to god and my jaw dropping bc it was always this very vague even most of the shadowhunters don’t really believe in “god” even though they are like part Angel I’m intrigued to see if and how Cassie explores this further especially with the whole prince of hell avengers team up
Two more thoughts! I really wish we got a scene of James and Cordelia putting the second marriage rune on each other! In the epilogue we learn that Anna and Ari are planning on adopting and I would like to know if that did happen and if they have any descendants that we know in the present.
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I read the scene of Christopher’s unalivement the morning I had to take the GRE and I have no idea how I got through that test 😂😭 Christopher was my favorite and I’m like nnooo this keeps happening Cassie stop doing this with my favorite characters
I’m not sure where it lands for me either. Some of my favorite characters are in the last hours, but I love infernal devices the best as a triology and I absolutely love dark artifices as well. Love your review and agree that it felt not as final as her other books! The ending left me longing for more and didn’t feel like a complete conclusion.
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Here are my thoughts about Chain of Thorns: - I really loved Christopher in this book. He's such a great character and I love how he and Thomas try to fix James and Matthew's friendship. I feel like Christopher's death got too little attention, and the scene could've been written better. I prefer the scene where he gets hurt in CoG. - I also didn't really like the Lucie kissing plot. - I love Eugenia Lightwood. She got a few more scenes in this book and all of them were amazing. - Bridget is a really big mystery but she's cool so I'm not questioning it. - James and Cordelia never really talked, which frustrated me. After they finally talk a bit and have their sex scene they don't really talk for the rest of the book. I feel like they needed to talk more and resolve things. - I wish Will and Tessa were a bigger part of this book. Their absence really feels forced and I'd like some scenes or more books from their POV. - I feel like things didn't get enough consequences in this book. Lucie's necromancy should've gotten more consequences and Cordelia freed herself from Lilith a bit too easily. I also feel like it should've been harder for them to get through Edom and the whole Edom plot should've taken more time. - Matthew and James finally talk, but I wish it would happen sooner in the book. - I didn't really like the end in general. Everyone was leaving, and it just felt so empty. On the good side, it might open up for more books set a few years after these. This series really was Chain of Miscommunication. That being said, I liked this book although it's my least favorite in TLH.
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Everyone reading CoT when Esme Hardcastle showed up making a family tree:
“Wait, is this play about us?”
accurate XD
I felt slightly wronged but also kind of low-key impressed?
@@Romeo6FtUnderI wasn’t, she only did it because she messed with her own cannon 😂
Nothing like a Christine video to finish off a Cassandra Clare read ☺️
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Exactly. The only bit of closure I could scrounge up about finishing that book was that I could finally watch this video 😌
Legit what motivates me Sometiems to power through to the end
The Grief chapter was such a waste! why did Cordelia spend that time mourning for James and Mathew (which both the reader and characters) know are alive? Missed opportunity. Where was Cecily? Where was Gabriel? Where were the parents? Charles had more a reaction in being told Christopher was dead than his friends.. sad lol
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The way Matthew,the MOST emotional and dramatic guy in this books,the one who have been torturing himself and morning the dead of a baby who wasn’t even born for the past 3 years,had the most bland and stoic reaction to the dead of his Best Friend? Cassandra need to know her own characters cause tf was that😂😂😂
And James the so much called “lider” who look up for everybody,was literally thinking about how hot was his wife with his best friend body beside him like,he has a stronger reaction to Belial possessing a kid he doesn’t know than the dead of his cousin like 😭
YES, and I think a funeral with the family and friends would've given more closure than the grief chapter
I still can't get over what happened to Christopher, he was my favorite character. His death didn't make any sence to me, it ruined the series for me.
I think Christophers death could have been written so much better. I love him so much too, but nobody mourned him basically, so as I reader I had no time to mourn him because there was never a moment to. The emotional crumbs we got about the aftermath were good but not enough :(
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Exactly the lack of like attention to it, the fact that there was no funeral, we never saw his parents reaction to it or anyone’s really I truly thought we had to be bringing him back that there *had* to be more there was a whole grief chapter and I still felt like no one even noticed kit was gone besides that no one could finish his fire messages it took me me so long to realise oh okay we really aren’t bringing him back what
I actually feel the opposite. Yes, we could have had his parents reaction but honestky I was so shocked and so pissed and sad for his death that reading that, --along with Anna reaction and beautiful's POV of Cordelia talking about grief-- would have devastated me.
I literrally cried my eyes out in the scene where he appeared before Grace so, for me she mention his deth as much as she should
A Jesse and Lucie wedding would’ve been a serve for sure but what I’m REALLY pissed about is we never got a scene where James and Cordelia give each other the final marriage runes to truly seal their union 😭
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It’s such a small scene, but one of my favorite moments in the book was when Tessa did Lucie’s hair before the Christmas party ❤️
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I loved that scene so much
There was a lack of emotions in this book, I think we should have seen all the parents grief. Like it's crazy to me that we didn't see the parents and the family grief, they are not only friends, they are also family. Tatiana killed her brothers children! Twice! And it was all wiped under the rug. Missed opportunity to make the reader feel something in a book with a mediocre plot with banale villains.
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It was all very underwhelming and kind of childish imo
For real too cause if don’t have a good villain and a good plot,at least use your characters well so we can have a decent story,but she couldn’t even do that😭
I wished we would had seen Gabriel and Cecily’s reaction to Kit’s death. We barely saw anyone reacting to it other than Anna and Thomas and it just felt incomplete. I guess the future Lightwoods will come from baby Alexander, then, for it to make sense that Alec has the same dark hair and blue eyes as Will, Cecily and Anna.
Also… Belial’s talking bird demon 😂😂
There is never a moment in which we are actually worried that Cordelia will end with Matthew rather than James. We never for a moment doubt that Thomas and Alastair would not end up together, or Ariadne and Anna. The only interesting pair is the one in which we know less about, Grace and Christopher. But alas.
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Idk. I was definitely worried about Thomas Alistair's relationship for quite a while there
So true!! I was so curious to see how they were going to unfold:/
The scene where Will used a phone and I think it was the inquisitor on the other line yelling in his ear was the funniest thing to me. “IDENTIFY YOURSELF” I was literally crying.
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Yes!! That was my favorite part of the entire book😂
How underwhelming was the villain in this book? Belial is so weak. The whole Lilith-paladin plotline is so boring and could be cut out of the book. Tatiana could have been a great villain because she's mad, but she was underwealming and cartoonish too. Bring back toxic Valentine destroying his family for a purpose. Bring back psychotic Sebastian. Sebastian has so much more ambition than Belial. I can't understand why these Princes of Hell are so stupid. Why is Belial a model grandfather to James compared to how Valentine was a father to his children. Bring toxic villains back.
Omg completely agree! Belial became a joke. Like a Disney villain, if that. And Lilith was terrifying in TMI but was basically just some lady in this book 😂 Like she could’ve done so much more!
based on queen of air and darkness she’s doing just that 😅😅 this one def was a miss but im soooo excited for the wicked powers!
Saaaaaaame
Thissss!! Tatiana was a Better villain than belial because she was human and driven to evil because she snapped from grief. That alone had more depth than some supposedly all powerful prince of hell who wants to be the monarch of England? Like?? Dumbest stakes I think I’ve read in ANY of her books. Lilith served no purpose in this books. All of her best villains are HUMAN.
Don’t get me started on changing belial completely? And taking James and Lucies powers with him. But Tessa still has her powers. MAKES NO SENSE.
Can’t believe Cassie wrote Christine in the book as a crazy shadowhunter trying to write a crackpot family tree hahahahahahha
LOL
The fact that SO MANY sentences were just “Cordelia ran”. It started to bother me towards the end cz then every time it would happen again I’d just be like “of course she did.”
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This!!!! Like girl WE GET IT you can run.
@@affunoor4955 I’m glad it wasn’t just me who it bothered 🤣🤣🤣 and Cassie had said before its release that the last word is “ran” so when it kept coming up I was like “okay great, the book will end with Cordelia running” 🤣🤣
fr!! One problem I've always had with the way Cordelia's character was written is the fact that she sexualized almost half the time in the book, she was less sexualized in Chain of Gold, and I feel like we understood her character more as well. We can't forget to mention she is one of the main POC and WOC characters in this book; sexual objectification is real for POC/WOC characters. We see and read it all the time. I came into this book thinking, "I better have a badass Cordelia," and that we did not have. The Lilith storyline could've been so much MORE. I wanted her to feel empowered, like how she was in book one. Instead, we had her being angsty, confused and running. And then she kills Tatiana, and we get no discussion about it.
Reminds me of how in every single book, someone or multiple are “waking up” 😂 or end up in wet clothes
No but honestly, Grace’s arc? I loved it sooo much! Also the fact that she invented the fire message? A queen.
Also, I am a Jesse Blackthorn Stan, I said it
Jessie has been my favorite since book one. He's just too pure. He's so unproblematic and respectful and I love him and Lucy together
@@brookeward1451 yeS!
Jesse and Lucie are my favourite couple in this series
blackthorn supremacy, for sure❤
Am i the only one who thought that Jesse getting so angry with Grace to be so out of character? Also Jesse/Grace should have had much more conflcting feelings towards Tatiana about hate/love, much like Clary,Jace, Sebastian have them over Jocelyn and Valentine.
@Daphne Krisp Exactly it felt like a forced 'consequence' of her actions
I think we all have to admit that this book was mid at best. It felt like a feel good story about nonsense. There were no consequences for anything. There was nothing harsh, nothing emotional, no stakes. Everybody just turns into a goody-goody by the end. What a waste of a perfect cast of characters. Chain of Gold was perfection. Chain of Iron was okay. Chain of Thorns was mediocre on a good day.
Sadly, completely agree.
Agreed, there was a lot of wasted potential. It was too easy at the end
Agreed sadly. And they really are some of her best characters!
I completely agree with you. It was so slow at times and we were told it would be a totally different book. Anyways, I hope the Wicked Powers is going to be her best work yet in the series otherwise…
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TLH isn't my favorite shadowhunter series, but it definitely has my favorite cast of characters. I have so much love in my heart for all of them.
yes the characters are ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I was expecting Cordelia to have this epic battle in the book and the WHOLE book she did not have a single good battle just stood there watching everyone fight. Of course she doesn't wanna summon Lilith but there could've been a bigger battle at the end with belial
yeah same
Same! And why was she the one who killed Tatiana? Grace should have been the one to do it. SO many missed opportunities in this series
Cassie said at her GA tour stop she wanted to write a book/novella like Magnus’s for one of the TLH characters because their story didn’t feel finished and we would understand after we read it so I believe it is Matthew since he really is the only one who didn’t have his storyline end like the others did.
Where this book is concerned overall I really wanted to love it but it just felt so detached to me and completely different from the first 2 in this series. Then there was the pacing problem, and so many unnecessary scenes and not any of the scenes that would’ve brought the feelings and what this book needed. I don’t know it just made me feel so sad finishing it because it just fell flat for me.
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They don’t need a novella, this book just needs a huge edit lol
This book was a letdown for me. 😭 I mean, yes, i enjoyed it but the pace felt so ridiculously slow and it made me so frustrated. And so many things weren't shown, just told to us which felt weird with how long the book was.
I feel you on this… I completely agree with every word 😭
i wish we saw more of them grieving christopher, and we didn’t see his parents reactions at all?? i really think there should be like two companion novels centred around the remaining last hours cast, we definitely need more. i need to know what happens to them after, like we literally knew everything about will’s life at the end of clockwork princess but nothing for them??😭
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Since by the end everyone is perfectly happy, perfectly good, perfectly content.... it makes the book unnecessary, because nothing of consequence happened? Except Christopher, but they didn't seem to care that much...
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Honestly, Cordelia and James' unconditional love feels forced. There, I said it. Sorry people.
Jesse and Lucie, I can see it.
Alastair and Thomas, I can see it.
Anna and Ari, I can kinda see it? It's okay, but could have been better if it was less repetitive, but i can see it.
@Daphne Krisp couldn't agree more
Exactly I just have not been invested in their relationship I didn’t care about there cute moments or happy ending I was 100x more invested in Grace and Kit than I was James and Cordelia and Grace and Kit never so much as held hands and so much of the emotional weight of this book is reliant on you being invested in their love
I felt the same, Cordelia also annoyed me for some reason 😅
@@jessicahaley666 The whole thing with her and Lucie was ridiculous the entire time I just wanted Cordelia to Shut up, like she made everything about her in this book
Oh wow I thought I was the only one and couldn’t quite figure out why. I was just thinking to myself, why is it that I didn’t feel anything for James and Cordelia. Like we all knew there was no chance for Matthew but I honestly was like I couldn’t care less who she ends up with, I felt nothing for either one. But I was super invested in Jesse and lucie.
It might be a bit of an unpopular opinion but in this book I kind of shipped Matthew and Cordelia. The lack of communication between James and Cordelia did not help, and it just felt like Matthew treats her better overall. Not that I disliked James and Cordelia's relationship, and I knew it was end game.
@Daphne Krisp It may be due to the fact that we get to see Matthew and Cordelia doing things and making memories together? Like they go to shopping together,they go to restaurant,museums and actually got time to know each other and enjoy their company, but Cordelia and James didn’t have any of that,they don’t literally one scene of them just enjoying time together like? How are they even in love and why😭
My issue with the miscommunication in Chain of Thorns is that it was so reminiscent of the miscommunication in The Infernal Devices, with one key exception. Will HAD to keep things about his feeling from Tessa to keep her literally alive, or at least in his reality he had to. James had no reason except his pride to keep the bracelet a secret, and it was SO FRUSTRATING!!!!! The Esme Hightower stuff was so funny, and I also wish we knew more about the future of these characters!
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As frustrating as James not telling Cordelia or anyone about the bracelet at first was, I eventually really started to feel for him as it became clear he was harboring a lot of shame and guilt that were clearly trauma responses from being essentially controlled and manipulated without his knowledge or consent for so long, and it kind of made sense in a way that he would just want to bury that and move on out of fear that the people in his life would think it defined him somehow
How is it posible that you,with a 5 minute or least comment described James trauma with Grace literally abusing him all his life and forcing himself in him better than a 800 page BOOK? Like? The fact that CC didn’t even address the importance of consent with Grace and James situación? Didn’t Grace forced him to kiss him in book 2 and he was literally almost throwing up? Didn’t she also forced Matthew to kiss her? Like why don’t we get a consent lesson,she’s obsessed with lessons but let the most crucial ones left out …
The bit where they sent the first successful fire message got me crying so bad 😭
same 😭😭💔
Watching the parents leave is so much harder now that they're characters we know and love and trust. When you're reading TMI and Robert and Marys are just gone all the time, you're like, yeah makes sense they're kinda absent parents (at least at first) and it's a YA novel so obviously the 16 year olds need space to do their thing. And when you don't know the parents, you can't really know for sure that they'd help.
But in TLH, it's like... that's Will and Tessa's children! They are babies! Stop hiding things from your parents, we KNOW they could help you!
YES 🙌 i
- I really loved all of Cordelia and Alistair's sibling moments!! Lmao every time Alistair asks Cordelia if he needs to beat up James or Matthew. Alistair's whole mood and commentary about the whole Cordelia, James, and Matthew situation had me cracking up 😂
- Thomas revealing he's been learning Persian 🥰 and when he's coming out to his family, I love him saying that he's going to spend the rest of his life with Alistair Carstairs. They are so freaking adorable!!
- I really wished we could've gotten more time with Christopher!! He was such a sweet, pure character and even though we knew the family tree wasn't accurate I was still holding onto the idea of him and Grace eventually getting married. I definitely wish there was a scene with Gabriel and Cecily learning Christopher died and to see all the other adults grieve him. Like we saw Sophie and Gideon grieve Barbara and we never even knew her.
- I'm happy we got to meet baby Zachary and got to learn how great Alistair is with the baby! Also, since we know that Alistair isn't going to have kids and Cordelia's kids will of course be Herondales that means Emma comes from Zachary's line.
- I liked the epilogue, but at the same time it didn't really feel like an epilogue. It felt different from all of Cassie Clare's other finale epilogues. I would've liked having like 2-3 more chapters to give everyone more of a clear ending.
- Btw Tessa can still shapeshift! I think it was mentioned somewhere that she didn't do it for a while after she shifted into Ithuriel in Clockwork Princess because it caused her pain, but she did eventually start doing it again. In one of the stories of Ghosts of the Shadow Market, Tessa shifted into Rosemary (Kit's mom), but ended up having complications with it because she was pregnant with Mina and didn't know it.
I think the tree was originally real when Cassie wrote Clockwork Princess. My theory is that she made it "fake" in this series, cause if it was real it would've been the biggest spoiler for TLH.
This is Exactly it. You can’t convince me otherwise lol.
Seeing the connection between Chain of Thorns and Secrets of Blackthorn Hall was so interesting to me. I have a feeling James’s gun will be instrumental in The Wicked Powers. (IYKYK)
Christopher deserved so much better, and I will forever be angry that his death was a part of the she devil’s redemption. 🥺
There were too many POV's in this book. Especially since it's a book about keeping secrets, and then the consequences of keeping secrets. Apart from the fact that there were no consequences, lol, as a reader i was so bored, because we knew everything so there was never nothing except mild frustration from the miscommunication. So there is no suspense, no stakes. We knew everything would resolve perfectly because we are in everyone's head.
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I honestly agree, since it is the shadowhunter book it took me months to finish it. There were in my opinion too many descriptions of places but above all, too many POV. Like when you were hooked in one story you change to know how the others are doing and kind of slow me a bit
She mentioned at her last book signing in LA that she regrets the family tree she made previously and wishes she would have waited. So it sounds like she is not done with these characters. Which I hope she never is 😁 I could read about these characters for a long time!
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I don't understand why Cassie felt the need to make everyone a model citizen by the end. Charles comes out, Alastair becomes a mary-sue, Grace personality is nowhere to be seen. They are all best of friends? Why? Is this elementary school when the teacher forced everyone to be friends? Felt forced and banale.
I personally don't think it did. I feel like she built up to it pretty well in the other books. It's a trilogy after all.
How was Alastair a Mary-sue? Cause girl how😂
Everyone is friends, everyone is in love, everyone gay. Yay! 🙄
Every time I remember the scene of the Merry Thieves sleeping together in Matthew´s apartment and James decriptions of them sprawled one on top of the other like a "liltter of puppies" I cry.... Because that litter is ever going to be complete again 😭 Cassie broke my heart
i totally agree this didn't feel like a wrap up of a series. we had no time to sit with the characters post battle and there was NO time to mourn christopher. i will never get over how good graces redemption arc was tho like im now inlove with her. i need a novella of TID and TLH living happy little lives and having fun time. i also NEED a family tree omlll i need it
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this is the first book of hers in a while that disappointed me-although it was still a fun read!! excited to watch this and hear all ur thoughts as well even if theyre different from mine
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Watching your booktalks is always a must after a Shadowhunter book, it's so nice to hear someone discuss it, since none of my irls have read it yet 🥰 I really loved this one, even though to me this trilogy can't compare to her other ones. I felt like the ending was a bit... not too much of an ending, tbh, and hearing you say how she might not be done with the characters makes a lot of sense. I just hope I'm not hyping myself over nothing 😅 But in all honesty, I think I just need more Will in my life 😭
You being giddy about the skit with the Canterbury priest is my fave version of Christine ❤
I’m still in shock that Johnathan shadowhunter showed up to lucie and cordelia’s parabatai ceremony
I was really disappointed that there was no AVE ATQUE VALE!!!! 😭💔
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I actually was so sad when I finished this. Cried for consecutive hours over Christopher 😭
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I couldn't cry I was so mad, his death made no narrative sence and had no impact. He just died so that nobody could say "oh no important character died, how unrealistic." His death was just such a none event... it's just bad writing and I expected more. It just decreases the quality of the book and the story so much.
I was a little underwhelmed with Chain of Thorns I still loved it but I was kinda left feeling confused like not a lot of things were perfectly wrapped up
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Which sucks cause this is the only finale so far that doesn’t lead into another series. So those loose ends are probably never getting wrapped up😭
Yes!!!! Watching this video was so validating! Also your comment about maybe we could see Alexander's POV - Cassie has crafted a whole new generation with Sona's baby, Charlotte's twins, Alexander, and I'm guessing Anna and Ari will adopt asap so that's 5 right there?! And maybe TLH cast will start having kiddos?? Shadowhunters is such a generational story that I could actually potentially see this happening 🤞Also CoT just did not feel like a satisfying conclusion so this theory is now keeping me going
Am I the only one who really wanted the epilogue to be a flash forward in the future where we see the TLH cast with their kids??? Like to see James and Cordelia with kids, and Lucie and Jesse married with kids and Thomas and Alistair possibly adopting. Just seeing a glimpse of them all grown up with kids. I feel Cassie kinda left it open to interpretation, but I just feel like there's still a lot of story to tell with this cast of characters and I very eagerly want to see more of them and how there stories played out beyond this finale. We definitely NEED a legit and updated family tree because there's so many gaps in between, and I feel there was so much potential to do more besides just wrapping up a few months after.
I didn t wanted, I NEED IT. At least to know the family tree.
Yes! It would have also been nice for her to connect the epilogue to secrets of blackthorn hall a bit more. To see if lucie and Jessie lived in it and were the ones who renovated it and updated it to the 1960s
Am I one of the only people that couldn’t get through Lord of Shadows? I was really disappointed in that book 🤦🏼♀️
How did Charlotte and Henry raise such a douchey child (Charles) like honestly. Percy Weasley vibes lol.
I honestly kept waiting for Cordelia to heal Christopher with Cortana -__-
I also noticed Cassie LOVEEEEES the word ‘fiercely’ in this book.
cant believe i’ve been watching u review these books since the 5th gr and now i’m a senior in hs and still with u and these books🥹
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On Cassie's tour someone asked her if this would be the last book where we would read about these characters and she said that she had in mind a collection of short stories for one of the characters.
She didn't want to specify who but, maybe Mathew? 👁️
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Not only did Cordelia have to carry this book on her back, she had to do while sprinting
Like we get it. You do cardio
You constantly referring to the family tree as you were reading was also me. I kept going back and being like ??? I need a real family tree!!! 😭
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I'm not even 15% into the book but I'm still going to watch every second of this video.
dont spoil yourself sis
Although I loved Chain of Thorns I was expecting a Clockwork Princess epilogue and this epilogue felt so pointless and open. It doesn’t feel done and Cassie has shared the original ending on tumblr and it was sadder but it felt so much more concluding
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The whole book was kinda disappointing tbh
@@adelina5741 I disagree. I’m a character over plot reader so I thought the first 530 pages were a masterpiece. Once the plot showed up I was like… oh
Tessa still has her powers! She used them in Magnus' books and when they were looking for kit. At one point a potion messed with it and broke her out of the change I believe and another time she got stuck in a change and they later found out she was pregnant (I dont remember if that was why she got stuck) but I'm thinking maybe she gets to keep her powers cuz she's the direct decendant and is technically a warlock. James and Lucie bore no other magical traits the way she did (immortality and such) they were just normal shadowhunters with demon blood that gave them each a power. So it makes sense they'd lose them when he died
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Kinda devastated we didn’t get magnus walking in on anyone post-coitus in this series
My family tree theory is that James and Cordelia lead us to Jace (obviously), Lucie and Jesse give us the Blackthorns, and then all the three young kids give us the other lines, so Zachary Carstairs leads us to Emma, then Alexander Lightwood leads us to Alec and Izzy, which follows since Alec’s full name is Alexander and then we know Alec and Izzy have to be descended from Cecily since Alec has Will and Cecily’s eyes (the only random thing here is that Alec and Izzy’s middle names are Sophie and Gideon but… I will take genetics over the middle name choice lol). I think the Fairchild family tree is the most unclear bc it could be Matthew or, I think it would be cool if one of the twins was a girl and her kids got the last name Fairchild, just like Clary chooses to be a Fairchild and Charlotte’s kids are Fairchilds too.
Also, did anyone else expect her to tie in some things that happened with this book to the next triology with Kit and Ty? She had mentioned before that things from this story tie in directly with the next series, so I kept waiting for something big to happen.
I think the tie in is that there is a new Belial. We know that the next trilogy will be about whatever the princes of hell are planning, and the new belial promised to leave the blackthorns and herondales alone. Ty and Kit are both from those families so it may affect Belial’s plans with his brothers if those plans involve either of those families.
The only tie-in I noticed was in the epilogue when Lucie mentions her long-ass book title and it includes the phrase "The Wicked Powers."
@@Selitos676 that makes sense! Thanks for mentioning that! I bet that will tie in somehow with whatever will happen with the princes of hell.
She said that we were gonna find out Kit Herondale name is Kit because it was somehow related to Chris and that never happened, she said we will find out what Anna was doing in COI, and a lot more, she had a vision of it first, being dark and etc, and then she didn't stick to it and made it a happy ending, so a lot off things just got lost in the change, now she said she might write a novela, and honestly is just annoying. This was not the book she had been talking about for years so yeah, it makes sense thing didn't add up
@@nyxc.5017exactly. These characters don’t need a novella, this book just needs a big edit. She messed with her own story in so many places.
“Why wouldn’t we at least have SECURITY??” So many good quotes from you Christine but this is one of my favs
Thank you for pointing out the many, many flaws and plotholes in this book 😅 I was so frustrated with everything.
And Cassie DID US DIRTY with that family tree and killing Christopher off like that.
After finally finishing that door stopper of a book, I finally have some thoughts. I was so blindsided by Christopher as a family tree truther as well and I legitimately until the last page was waiting for him to come back somehow. They were at the park and James said something about seeing Christopher near the water in his dreams waiting and I was like this is it, he’s coming right now, and I cannot tell you the heartbreak I felt when it just ended without him. I thought that was why I wasn’t the biggest fan of then end but it also felt a little anticlimactic. Overall, I think this book had absolutely fantastic character moments and all of the character scenes I loved even as far as Tatiana then obviously with all the younger characters and the parents and Magnus and stuff but the plot wasn’t my favorite. The watcher bit was really cool but the end just getting solved so quickly and belial really wanting to be crowned felt a little too contrived for me. Somehow, even after 800 pages, I felt like the book was too rushed. Maybe it was just so many characters to follow but I felt like I just needed more and everything had to happen so fast. It kept the book very interesting, I just felt like there was no time to sit with anything. Overall, though, I loved it, solid 3.5/5 stars ok the shadowhunter scale! Thank you so much for your book talk, you had me cracking up the entire time and I always love to hear your thoughts!
Kit's death made absolutely no sense to me aside from the heartbreak- the family lineage! Because we knew Anna wasn't going to continue it, Kit's just dead, Thomas and Alister probs won't. So I was very confused until I remembered baby lightwood that almost died. I'm assuming the same with how Cordelias new baby brother will be Emma's relative. The babies ended up sorting out the family tree.
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YESSS WE NEED AN ADULT NOVEL OF MATTHEWS ADVENTURES 😭😭😭😭
45:19 thanks for mentionijg the percy jackson vibes, they threw me off soooo much. Don‘t get me wrong, rick riordan is great and I loved his books, but the flying horse thing talking with a london accent took me so out of the high-stakes scenario and it felt very childish, which again, is completely fine in books with that vibe but for me didn‘t fit here
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I feel like Cassie is saving the Clace wedding for the very last shadowhunter book (the last wicked power book, i guess) would be fitting to end the story like that and would explain why she is making clary weirdly avoiding the wedding
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I wish we got the second marriage rune man 😭😭😭
Also what was up with Christopher defending grace right after James opened up 💀💀
i wish we got to watch them do the rune lol but it was mentioned =)
aw Christopher is precious though
@@polandbananasBOOKS yhh wish we got to see them do it 🥺and yh ahaha I love kit but that was weird imo. Like at least wait a bit yk 😭
@@polandbananasBOOKS The way they treated Alastair like garbage for repeating a rumor and no one even said well is not THAT deep but they all were ok with Grace assaulting James,forcing him to kiss her and manipulating him for so LONG? And oh yes how precious of kit wanting to prevent hate? He was very much happy to follow his friends in the Alastair hate trend,but he couldn’t keep the same energy with Grace😂
@@Moonlightss320because the backstory is Alastair bullied them all for YEARS, and that was the final straw. Matthew took that rumor to heart and poisoned his own mother as a result. Of course no one forced Matthew to do what he did, but words do have a domino effect on people.
I didn’t see that everyone was ok with what Grace did. Kit was the only one defending her, and even after he died she was kept at a reluctant distance from the rest of the group.
I almost cried every time James thought of Grace because he was SA for years. He couldn't tell Cordelia which is clear when she tells him she knows and he physically flinches and resides deeper into himself. 😭
I’ve never read a bad shadowhunters book, but I will say this might be my least favorite. The first half was so. Slow. I think we all knew James would have to confess to Cordelia at some point, and so dragging that out through 400 pages was aggravating. I also feel like there was less action in this book than in other ones. I had more fun with the second half, other than with Christopher 😒😭, and I’m glad the couples are altogether, but there are some things I would’ve loved to change
Spoilers from Ghost of the Shadow Market. Tessa does not lose her ability to change. She ends up having issues with it in one of the stories, because she gets stabbed while pregnant with Mina. So yeah, I don't understand why she did not lose her abilities when Belial died.
Because she is a warlock
This is extremely controversial, but I think, and remember this is controversial, that this series could’ve been a novella. There I said it. Don’t get me wrong I love the cast of characters so much they have my whole head but seriously it could’ve been a novella.
I was waiting so bad for this video, and i enjoyed SO MUCH. I felt empty when i finished the book, it was like, there is so MUCH Cassie didnt tell us, and the Christopher death... it affect me so bad, but,... i didnt feel that from them! that was frustrating, the only one how was really affected was Grace and i HATED that even her didnt have a really happy ending, god after all she suffer? i cant believe i'm defending her
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About the family trees: I've been thinking about this for years and it's driving me crazy.
I think we have to consider that the "modern day" Lightwoods/Carstairs/Fairchilds aren't actually descendants of the TLH characters, but their little siblings (Alex, Zachary Arash and potentially the Fairchild twins).
Hear me out.
I'm convinced the modern Lightwoods are descended from Cecily because a)Izzy has her necklace and more importantly b) I'm pretty sure Magnus says in TMI that Alec has Will's (and Cecily's) blue Herondale eyes and black hair, which would make them biological descendants, not just by adoption. So that gene can't come from Anna Lightwood (IVF wasn't a thing and having biological kids would involve a major character change that i don't see happening for her). We used to think it was Christopher's line, but clearly not (sob). And i think it's mentioned in TMI that Alec is named after an ancestor, so baby Alex seems the most likely option for me.
By this theory, Anna must at some point have passed the necklace to her brother's daughter or granddaughter, else it wouldn't have ended up in Izzy's line.
Then there's the Carstairs': When Emma gets Cortana, it has been a Carstairs family heirloom for generations. Since Cordelia is now a Herondale, Emma can't be descendent from her (which is a shame because they're very alike). That also means that Cordelia didn't pass Cortana to her own children but back into the Carstairs family.
If Cortana just stays within the name and not necessarily the bloodline, she could pass it on to any adopted kid Alastair and Thomas may have and Emma could decend from them (if their last name is Carstairs and not Lightwood). If it's both name and bloodline, though, it would have to be Zachary Arash's children who are Emma's ancestors.
With the Fairchilds, i guess we have to wait and see.
Sorry if someone else has already said this. Also, it's been a long time since i read tmi so i might not remember correctly 🙈 And obviously it's Cassie so you never know...
I just finished the book this morning and I IMMEDIATELY came to watch your book talk!
I really agree with everyone’s comments but one thing I wish Cassie would’ve wrote was the second wedding runes being exchanged…and maybe instead of kit dying..if she really wanted to kill someone else maybe like ari I liked her but kit was one of the merry thieves( I feel like grace and him were robbed of a chance to work together and their future) and I think we could see growth from Anna and her grieving process for ari…also this plot and villain seemed kinda predictable and weak when compared to other Cassie finales
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cassie said that she’s going to be writing a novella for one of the last hours characters and whilst it’s mostly likely going to be Matthew, i think she could make one for james/cordelia, thomas/alastair and anna/ari. like they’re all on holiday or doing something big😭
@Daphne Krisp yeah no definitely it’s going to be a novella like simon’s, magnus’ and jem’s, i’m just saying it would be nice to have a companion novel set after his novella and we see what they were all up to and properly tie up the TPH cast since the ending was so open-ended
SHITSHOW of a book. Sweeping Kit’s death under the rug like it never happened, his friends not even mourning him, Cordelia grieving James and Matthew when they were ALIVE. The MISCOMMUNICATION between ALL CHARACTERS was ridiculous. Not having a funeral for Kit or showing any of the reactions from his parents or any of the Merry Thieves but from mainly just Anna and Grace. The finale being the most mid battle scene to exist and to be like three pages long. Plots left wide open. It truly feels like Cassie just didn’t care anymore and doesn’t know her characters like she used to. And that genuinely scares me for what she could end up doing for twp. But all in all- Kit deserved so much better especially when he was treated like an idiot for all three books just to end up practically saving them. It’s a shame, really. What could’ve been an epic finale to a great series ended up being a the opposite and most hated.
The only thing that could’ve saved this book for me would’ve been if James died, he is just sooooo boooooring and the romance was so dead. Just like, this was all so long and predictable, same tropes but done without passion, so I wanted to be surprised in the end with “and then James died! Or Cordelia or everyone” That would’ve been more interesting imo. AND TOO MUCH MISCOMMUNICATION BRO, too unrealistic!!!!
I believe that the Blackthorne's line comes after Jesse and Lucie, the Lightwoods from little Alex Lightwood, and the Fairchild's... well we don't know anything about the twins but I'm hopefully that Clary comes after Matthew
Christopher and Grace became the most interesting couple to me but I get why he died. He couldn’t really end up with the woman who in some ways assaulted and violated James. There’s no way I could see that not being awkward forever. But I wish the other characters were as sad about his death as I was lol.
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Literally,and even if they got together I know CC would make James forgive Grace and even to befriend her,wish is not okay considering he literally assaulted him like 💀💀
I have this strange feeling that Matthew is gonna marry Eugenia. I don't know why. I just have this feeling.
Christine! Love your videos
Just a quick note - I thought you didn't make this review because it wasn't in the last hours playlist on youtube hahaha
I was literally ripping my hair out wondering if you had something against the book so didn't review it HAHAH
Something I’ve never thought until these books was that Tessa had to bury and outlive not only her beloved husband, Will, but all so her children. She had to see James and Lucie die, and then their kids, her grandchildren. How painful of a life must it be
So I finally finished the book today and as soon as I did I came to watch your booktalk 💛 I think what I loved the most about this book is the sibling moments between Cordelia and Alastair, I could relate so hard to their relationship and how it evolved because it is very similar to the way my brother and I interact, so it was really touching for me to see them be so apart from each other and then build that closeness and trust again.
On another note, I don’t know if this happened to any of you as well, but… like, what kept me glued to the book was this need of seeing Cordelia and James FINALLY get together, as in having no more secrets between them, acknowledging their mutual love and all. And then when it happened I wasn’t as interested in the rest of the story, but Christopher’s death was definitely the most shocking and sad momento for me. Although I did cry a bit afterwards with certain scenes it wasn’t anything like when I read Clockwork Princess or City of Heavenly Fire. Also, it was very interesting reading CoT while reading at the same time Secrets of Blackthorn Hall, to know the way the modern characters we love view or see events past and their ancestors.
Plus, I agree that the sex scene in this book is the sexiest of the whole Shadowhunter universe jaja but in a explicit way, and though I liked it, I kinda missed the way Cassie normally writes those scenes, you know? I’m a more subtle and elegant way. I think I find that waaaaay more sexy and appealing that being more explicit, as it often happens in YA books. (On that note, such a big fixation on Cordelia’s breasts omg, don’t know if there could’ve been other way to describe that she had a different body type than the normally skinny small chested women).
I wanted to love this book but it really fell flat for me. I am SO attached to this cast of characters, but there were many decisions CC made that just don’t make sense. I felt as if the stakes weren’t high enough and Belial was lame. The entire Lilith plot was stupid. The love triangle was unnecessary. Christopher’s death did not serve any purpose and was glossed over. I wanted more of the adults that we love to play a bigger role in the story. I just… I wanted so much more
I just finished the book and I have to put my opinion into the world somewhere. Yes, the plot was predictable in some ways and we could sit here and nit pick all day. My one complaint was how little we dove into any of the downworld in this book like we do in others, but here’s the biggest thing for me. These characters were absolutely magical and I love them to death. My queer heart is always happy to see queer couples that both get to live out their stories and be happy, and I don’t see a ton of people mentioning that part of it. I’m also just such a sucker for romance lol. Bottom line, I’m always trying to remember that Cassie is writing these characters how she views them and fleshing out their stories how she sees fit, whether that fits what we as readers want or not. I didn’t like TDA which many people I know disagree with, absolutely hate Julian’s character, but it was a good thing to remember that Cassie loves him and wrote him how he is for a reason, and I can see what could be to like and why his story was written as it was. Hopefully what I said made sense, maybe this is my long way of saying sentimentally I adored this book and this trilogy, despite other people’s opinions and I want to see what other people see in the series that I have the most criticism for personally. I’m bad at writing forgive me if somehow someone reads this😂
I think it barely phased me that we lost Kit because I kept thinking oh they’re going to bring him back and then they DIDN’T
22:22 „if we‘re not gonna get a blackthorn family tree, I will Esme Hightower this shit!“ 😂😂😂
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I knew James was gonna see them happy and not tell her the truth and I literally also imagined Grace telling her the truth about the bracelet. but I truly hoped that you would be wrong about Mathew not leaving the alcohol in the review of the chain of iron.
I kinda want Alexander Lightwood to be the tree branch that leads down to TMI Lightwoods, because that means Alec and Jace would be distantly related because of WIll and Cecily being siblings. I'm hoping for a real family tree, as well!
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Christine has been doing Cassie book reviews for how many years now and I love that she refuses to learn the correct pronunciation of anything.
I live for your Shadowhunter book talks, I was dying laughing :) I think this series has been my favorite, I feel like the characters are my friends (nerd things). My main issue was like you said, the ending didn't feel like a real ending, so I'm kind of hoping we will get more books with these characters or at least their kids. I especially wish we had gotten more Anna and Ari content because at the end, most of the couples got a little "wrap-up" section, and they got like one sentence. I wanted to see them actually verbally acknowledging their feelings and be on the same page for once. I definitely still adore this series though.
I Don't know why but I find Cordelia so annoying for the entire book 😅
the moment when they started talking about the family tree had me yelling like THIS IS HOW THIS WAS WRITTEN??? but i also thought it was super interesting how they started to go more into god/devil stuff at the end rather than just angels and demons-maybe i’m remembering wrong but i feel like this is one of the first times we’re talking about god as an actual character in these books
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I’m pretty sure it is cause I remember reading the first like reference to god and my jaw dropping bc it was always this very vague even most of the shadowhunters don’t really believe in “god” even though they are like part Angel I’m intrigued to see if and how Cassie explores this further especially with the whole prince of hell avengers team up
@@blackgirlmagiccI bet she’s going to take a page out of supernatural (the show).
Two more thoughts!
I really wish we got a scene of James and Cordelia putting the second marriage rune on each other!
In the epilogue we learn that Anna and Ari are planning on adopting and I would like to know if that did happen and if they have any descendants that we know in the present.
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chain of thorns is my least fav shadowhunter book… i’ve been curious to hear your thoughts!
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I read the scene of Christopher’s unalivement the morning I had to take the GRE and I have no idea how I got through that test 😂😭 Christopher was my favorite and I’m like nnooo this keeps happening Cassie stop doing this with my favorite characters
I’m not sure where it lands for me either. Some of my favorite characters are in the last hours, but I love infernal devices the best as a triology and I absolutely love dark artifices as well. Love your review and agree that it felt not as final as her other books! The ending left me longing for more and didn’t feel like a complete conclusion.
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If anyone needs me I’ll be listening to anti hero and this is me trying on repeat thinking about Matthew Fairchild
Here are my thoughts about Chain of Thorns:
- I really loved Christopher in this book. He's such a great character and I love how he and Thomas try to fix James and Matthew's friendship. I feel like Christopher's death got too little attention, and the scene could've been written better. I prefer the scene where he gets hurt in CoG.
- I also didn't really like the Lucie kissing plot.
- I love Eugenia Lightwood. She got a few more scenes in this book and all of them were amazing.
- Bridget is a really big mystery but she's cool so I'm not questioning it.
- James and Cordelia never really talked, which frustrated me. After they finally talk a bit and have their sex scene they don't really talk for the rest of the book. I feel like they needed to talk more and resolve things.
- I wish Will and Tessa were a bigger part of this book. Their absence really feels forced and I'd like some scenes or more books from their POV.
- I feel like things didn't get enough consequences in this book. Lucie's necromancy should've gotten more consequences and Cordelia freed herself from Lilith a bit too easily. I also feel like it should've been harder for them to get through Edom and the whole Edom plot should've taken more time.
- Matthew and James finally talk, but I wish it would happen sooner in the book.
- I didn't really like the end in general. Everyone was leaving, and it just felt so empty. On the good side, it might open up for more books set a few years after these.
This series really was Chain of Miscommunication. That being said, I liked this book although it's my least favorite in TLH.
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How dare you not mention that scene with Anna and ari.