MORTAL INSTRUMENTS Insane History and Adaptation Failure | Explained
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Cassandra Clare's Shadowhunters empire birthed out of a very successful career in fanfiction.. also a very dramatic one - so I thought I'd take a look at some of that, the City of Bones book, and finally watch the movie
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That awkward moment when the fandom unships their ship because it's NOT incest.
what does upship mean
@@generalmukmuk fixed
@@generalmukmuk not much what's ship with you?
@@sachyriel u got me
Omg lolll
“He wasn’t a boy at all, he was a DEMON.” Sounds like the hook line in the synopsis of a WattPad fan fiction.
Dun, dun, dun, that line alone is more entertaining than the entire movie!
Thats bc those books were HP fan fiction lol
God, can you imagine spending decades perfecting your writing craft and not selling shit to then see shitty wattpad novels selling millions?
"Claire had always known the edgy boy. But he wasn’t a boy at all, he was a DEMON! And he's accidentally taken her into his magical world due to the machinations of his dad SATAN! CAN TRUE LOVE PREVAILS?"
I have never read a WattPad fic in my life.
No because I’ve literally read the summary of a black butler wattpad fic that has this exact line
Clary was so scarred of this experience that she changed her identity as 'Emily' and went to paris
U got me dead lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Omg 😭😭😭😭 lmao
Which also happened to be a horrible experience
Apparently, spending time away from the Institute can make you go whackadoodle especially in an EU nation filled to the brim with cinematic stereotypes. Poor Clary.
The irony of Cersei Lannister answering "I doubt he feels that way" when her daughter says "he's like my brother"
omg Ikr lol. When I heard she was going to be in the movie, 1st thing that came to mind was that instead of her, its now her children doing it. EW I couldnt watch the movies with a straight face
😂😂😂
i laughed for a full miunte after reading your comment...man even though s8 was trash do I miss GOT
Oh my God, I totally missed that! Thanks for legitimately making me laugh out loud!
Oh god! 😂😂😂
Yeah if a guy tells me he’s not like other guys it’s on site
Oh my god HeY 👋 didn’t expect to see you here
Hi other Amanda!
Still hoping for that Amanda/Amanda collab 🙌
Fun fact I founs both of your channels at the same time last year lol
*sight.
You tried tho.
Fun fact: my childhood bestfriend convinced me that she was a shadowhunter and all of one direction was also and they were always around, I just couldn't see them
Aww. How innocent you were. Adorable!
Damn. Kids are dumb but alsp hilarious
I was that type of friend but with different source material. Boy has that memory aged poorly. I'm glad I grew out of that fast but I met someone in collage that was deep in delusion based on their comics. I can still enjoy books, anime & comics but I have social skills now.
😂😂😂😂
My sister did this too but they were vampires
Someone pointed out that Valentine making Jace think him and Clary were siblings was an abuse tactic. He had already drilled into Jace that he was unworthy of love and that he made everything worse. By making Jace think he had fallen in love with his sister, he was just reinforcing these beliefs and trying to get Jace to realign himself with Valentine because of his own self-hatred. So the whole thing was never about incest but abuse at the hands of a parental figure. Shame that no one tried to write the characters and story with this in mind.
The abuse/manipulation and control tactic of him doing that is clear as day even without it being a lie, it just becomes an added layer when Jace finds out it IS a lie. But I don't think the incest aspect and discussion around it can be pulled off the table for a few reasons, especially when talking about this book alone. Mainly because that's how it was presented to readers. It's in the book to be shocking and to throw off readers that spent an entire book watching these characters open up to one another on an intimate level, so we feel what the characters feel. It's hard to frame the complete manipulation story in adaptations when the reveal doesn't come for two more books. Then there's (spoilers) stuff that happens when the real Johnathan is introduced that keeps swirling into those themes that keeps the discussion very much on the table.
@@AmandaTheJedi That makes a lot of sense. The books have been out for years so it's easy to forget that people had to wait years for the reveal that it was all a lie. In the meantime, it was still very much 'ewww they are siblings'. And yeah the stuff with Jonathan and his weird obsession with Clary was also very weird. It all goes down to the writing of the text, and using the trope primarily for shock value, *sigh*.
@@AmandaTheJedi hello i love your review. Could you do one on the Babadook?
@@MsCoolestgal you also can't forget that other books from cassandra seem to pull the incest card as well... Just not as much "strong" as in this book. Or is that just me? 😂 We have the Infernal Devices, with Jem and Will multiple times having conversations with a innuendo that at points almost makes you feel that they'll be entering a 3 people relationship with Tessa - being that Jem and Will were raised together and are like brothers. Than you have Dark Artifices, where Emma is raised from a young age with Julian, she's practically adopted by his family, and they fall in love.
I cannot read this stories and not feel the incest appeal behind them 😂 it's really sad because the stories would be much more enjoyable without this hidden feeling, but maybe that's just me who's getting these messages?
@@MsCoolestgal yes absolutely!
That "funny, dark, and sexy" quote literally made me so embarrassed to read this as a tween. Like, my grandma bought it for me and I was just absolutely mortified about a sexy, bare-chested man and hid the book under my bed for months...
Same thing here! Used to read these in class and always hid the book under my school work because of the shirtless man
Right? That's why I preferred the infernal devices covers lol and I only got the book when they started selling it with the movie cover
I think I was probably older than yall when you got the books but that never bothered me. Frankly most young adult stuff is like that
@@cass16433 I read the infernal devices first, the summer after year 8 so I was 13 and then read mortal instruments afterwards lol. 23 now but I still love YA fiction tbh it's just fun
I did not hide my books and I should have. My physics teacher made a comment to the whole class about a book cover of mine which had a Greek god statue with a pair of running shoes covering the crotch. I didn’t think anything of it because it was from the school library
it always confused me that alec being in love with jace is treated as disgusting because parabatai are "like brothers" but jace and clary thinking theyre literally blood related and still liking each other is treated as acceptable and even sexy
Since Clary and Jace's feelings for each other is the greatest driving force of the story (pulling her further into the Shadowhunter world), an illegal quasi-incestuous relationship between Jace and Alec is framed as a threat to plot development. How the author addresses incest as taboo is totally incoherent because quasi-incest with Alec is narratively "worse" than real incest with Clary, so she can't actually commit to fully condemning the latter.
Parabarti love has a whole crazy moment in another series after these
@@NotAFanOfYouBreathin dark artifices?
@@NotAFanOfYouBreathin to be fair, they only became parabatai so Emma wouldn't get sent away, they really shouldn't of had too, the Clave seriously just sucks
Game of Thrones prepared me for this
"why is it raining?"
its clearly a metaphor for her sexual arousal at that moment from kissing him. like duh, y0.
I hilariously misread that "But why would that be a symbol of her --- ohhhhh"
When I saw it in theatres, I remember whispering to my date during that scene, “The only thing that could make this cheesier would be if it started raining...” 😅lmfao we couldn’t help but laugh.
Ooooooooooohhhhhhhh how have I never realised that
ಠ_ಠ ehhhhh you're right hahaha
Everyone: arguing about Jace and Clary
Me: quietly enjoying Alec and Magnus' relationship
Me: really obsessed with Simon and Izzy
Same
That was so me. I came for the story about a girl drawing magical scribbles, the romance thing was kinda interesting, but the moment Magnus saw Alec for the first time I couldn't care less what happened to main ship xD xD
Same!!
As someone who only knows the show from tumblr I didn't even know Jace and Clary existed, I thought it was about Magnus and Alec. Same with Teen Wolf. I was shocked when I learned about Scott being a main character because no one ever talked about him but Stiles and Derek were everywhere.
Learning that Cassandra Clare wrote Ron/Ginny incest fanfic in this video has put SUCH a new spin on the romantic conflict in the Jace/Clary relationship I am REELING
“Did she just introduce incest just to wait two books and then say ‘nah actually no’?”
Yes she sure did. Her thing (in the four trilogies I’ve read) is two main characters who are madly in love but cannot ever be together because of [plot device]. I think she was trying to be creative and instead it came out very weird.
TBF, people forget that Star Wars had the incest + "will they or won't they" trope. As a Star Wars fan the reveal felt similar for some reason except they eventually were allowed to feel the way they did.
@@NickaLah you do know that Luke and Leia were not originally intended to be siblings, right? Yeah, it's one of things that if you look on it as a whole, it's like WTF?, but most of the fandom understands it's a retcon. Also, no one knows they are siblings, and yeah, it might be unconfortable after the fact, but that's pretty much the exact opposite of what's going on here. Hell fans were hesitant to ship Reylo in fear that they were going to end up being siblings too.
Jace and Clary ARE intended to be siblings and everyone is supposed to think they are as well. In this case it was retconned to be OK because they aren't, but I still find it more icky than SW, where Lucas was still making it up as he went along. Retconning often makes for unintended side effects, but everything about Clace is deliberate.
@@NickaLah That's because George Lucas changed his own story as it was happening, it wasn't an intended bait and switch (which makes it all the more hilarious) and regardless it's still heavily mocked and people watching for the first time still have a 'wtf!?' reaction when they find out
actually, her thing IS incest🤢 she wrote ron x ginny fanfic before the mortal instrument series
@@AmandaTheJedi Yes, but .. playing heavily into Star Wars fan culture is also kind of a pretty huge running thing present within The Mortal Instruments books. So I think the comparison is still fair enough.
It was still in there, whether it was originally planned in Star Wars or not, and someone specifically drawing inspiration from that does not necessarily have to overlook it completely JUST because it was an unplanned thing that just oopsied its way into the original inspiration source because these things happen sometimes when you're a pantser rather than a plotter with it.
Along with drawing inspirations from various classic literature as well as like Greco-Roman mythology and all ye old Greek plays and such, all stuff where playing around with the mindfuckery of incest secretly or known is actually not totally unheard of either. 😅😅
“You're my sister," he said finally. "My sister, my blood, my family. I should want to protect you"-he laughed soundlessly without any humor-"to protect you from the sort of boys who want to do with you exactly what I want to do."
Clary's breath caught. "You said you just wanted to be my brother from now on."
quite frankly i hate that i even know of this quote's existance...
Be right back... just gonna... go find.... a trash can.... to vomit in
Wait that’s actually in the book?! What? Reading that makes me feel uncomfortable
Did the authors go out of their way to make the readers more uncomfortable?
Legit, this sounds like the start of a hentai
I was waiting for someone to write this...
Wait if you don’t read the fourth book then you’ll never get to the part where her actual brother tries to sexually assault her while quoting the Bible.
Everyday I regret my obsession with this book
….wtf
what. the. hell? I've ended after book 4... yeah. not reading the rest. thank you! (didn't really intended to, cause the 4th book I've read like 4 years ago, but yeah. I think I've ditched the bullet...)
fifth book, actually. i wish I could unread that but alas it is forever ingrained in my brain
@@dominikahanusova6797 I had enough after the fourth book too. I was surprised how I saw most people saying the "third book is the worst".
To be fair with the author, it is portrayed as a bad thing. Sebastian is literally the epitome of everything wrong and malicious, so it's not like it's portrayed as some sexy thing, it is meant to be horrifying.
So was I the only one who had to have the “they’re not related” twist spoiled before I would even consider finishing the trilogy? I remember telling my friend that I was NOT going to read the rest of the trilogy since Clary and Jace were siblings and she assured me that they weren’t. I still didn’t like how Clary and Jace thought they were related, though. IT WAS TOO WEIRD.
I remember not caring about the romance at all bc I really liked the world building so I somehow? Ignored it? Idk I guess my morals were questionable and my focus was elsewhere lol
Dude same, the moment it was revealed in the first book I looked it up and honestly reminding myself they weren't really related was the only reason I got through the second book especially after the fairy Court chapter and even then I had to take a like three month break before I could force myself to even finish it. Still haven't finished book three and honestly kinda don't want to😒
Right? I remember trying to read it way back when, went "WHAT THE FUCK," didn't touch it for a year or two, and finally news of them not actually being related came through. Or I started it, got distracted and didn't finish, and didn't _want_ to finish because of the incest. I couldn't find the drive to care after, especially since Clary and Jace were led to believe otherwise. That's so uncomfortable, and more likely to have happened because of the editors or something. It's not like Cassandra Claire didn't already like incest, so there was little reason for her to want to change it if it wasn't for the backlash.
Bruh I never even finished it once they kissed AFTER the "reveal" that they're siblings I was too squicked out to finish even if I suspected it was a lie
Same, my friend recommended the series to me in middle school and gave me that information so that way I’d keep reading. Still way too weird….
I just remember being like 14 years old and being so grossed out by the fact that there was still so much obvious flirting and sexual tension despite Jace and Clary being "siblings." Now that I know the author actually wrote HP incest fics, it all makes sense, unfortunately.
people are so… interesting
She actually plagiarized others HP fanfics it was a huge deal
Ir read them when I was like two years younger and that just turned me off the books
Man l was shocked they still had romantic feelings even knowing they were siblings I genuinely hate that plot. Once I was reading a nice book till it turn into smth worse than clace.
Very important: the actor who plays Jace also played young Grindelwald in HP and a Volturi in Twilight
good for him finding his niche xD
I will insert this quote that I associate with him "Jooooaaaannnnnaaaaa".
And is now in Stranger Things!!!
Jamie Campbell Bower.
And Vecna in Stranger Things, he's an exceptional actor this franchise didn't deserve him
"So what does everybody think when he's just the thingy on the floor?"
Ecstasy Seizure. See, I fill all the plot holes.
10/10
I think she said "...when he's just The Thing-ing on the floor.", not "thingy".
@@kriscynical Considering how hard that is to say, well caught xD
To be fair, there is a high probability that Magnus Bane is having a party
Very high. Let's be real here though, the real charm of the adaptations, and the books, is Magnus Bane.
@@8Makes1 Magnus Bane is the only reason i read a few books of this series, every other character made me cringe a lot or i just couldn't get invested in them
@@ileanacazares1390 oh my gods I just realised this is the only reason why I continued with the series. Just Magnus.
@@ileanacazares1390 I can definitely understand that. Magnus is everything
I remember reading these when I was younger and getting really mad at Clary for choosing her actual brother as a love interest over her best friend who was in love with her. I mean Simon is right there and he’s not your brother! Can you imagine your crush choosing to date their literal sibling instead of you
They never pick the childhood friend that actually treats them right :(
I was so annoyed by Simon I kinda undestod Clary
if you completed the complete series, you should know that it is revealed at the end of the 3rd book that clary and jace are NOT actually brother and sister! simon too gets together with isabelle so it's all good in the end i guess lol
Leaving the incest topic aside for a second, Clary didn't owe Simon her love lol. I actually hated Simon in the early books because he just couldn't accept what a no means. Fortunately, his character grows and he ends up with Isabelle, sort of.
@@user-hx9cc1qh3h Jace couldn't understand that no means no either tho like... Clary just loves trash men. The only valid ship is Clary x Therapy or Clary x getting a divorce
Magnus is and continues to be the only reason I suffered through any of these books.
Same 😂😂😂 And I still read way more fanfics than her actual books
same for me, at least until the reveal that he was supposed to be part indonesian. his back story being child of a farmer in old jakarta (batavia) kinda took me out ngl bc afaik jakarta's always been a main hub for trade, not necessarily farming. and even if it was, his family being of east asia heritage should still be a family of merchant bc that's kinda how the east asian descent largely came to indonesia (which, to anyone oblivious, is southeast).
but also after several other happenings particularly the one with rowling saying nagini's supposed to be indonesian or whatever, i kinda just went, "oooohh, we're just some 'exotic' people and places to these writers, i guess." no deep research necessary. /s
I really liked Liz and Simon as well, but I dropped after book 4, the Clary Jace drama as too much and too nonssencial to me.
@@mophead_xu but isn't it kind of racist or patronizing in the best case to assume that every Indonesian was a merchant? Cmon, Magnus was born in 1600 or whatever, the colonialism era, it wasn't exactly the best of times for majority of Asians. The merchants were Europeans in the first place, they were the rich ones. Also Magnus was decribed as Eastern looking from the beginning, specifing where he's from was just adding to the lore. It's different imo from the Nagini case where all of that just popped up out of the blue
For me it was both Magnus and Alec lmao.
Idk about others, but the only reason I finished the books and show came down to: Malec
LITERALLY OMG I ONLY CARED ABOUT THOSE TWO
Me too 🤣🤣🤣
YESS EXACTLY THE SAME
absolutely
Absolutely! I am wondering why she didn't even mentioned them in the video cause it was honestly the best part of both the books and the series
I was actually a huge baby fan of the original trilogy back in high school, but when i saw the fourth book suddenly at barns n noble one day, I was like, "I can't take much more of this." Even with the third book, I was immensely relieved that they weren't actually siblings, but it made me realize Clare still needed to have ACTUAL incest in the book to satisfy herself with Sebastian...
The tv show is just campy popcorn fun and I love that the show-runners were like, "none of that girl vs. girl b.s. in OUR series! Jace and Clary find out their siblings? well naturally the both of them full-stop! Alec having character development and Harry Shum Jr. as Magnus Bane? YES!"
OH YEAH! And I was fed some crumbs of Ace rep with Raphael t-t
In my head (and on my bookshelf) that series was a trilogy and City of Glass is The End.
I remember reading it and liking everything except Jace and Clary and their incest problem. I was so uncomfortable with it, and it didn't seem to fit into an urban fantasy setting for me. Like, if you're gonna put incest in, at least go all the way and explain exactly why it's wrong and unnatural. But Cassandra didn't do that. She just put in a few "people will find our relationship sickening" but did not explain why.
Then, the incest plot gets resolved by just "we're not actually siblings", so what was the point of making the reader believe it?
@@ccormore It was the writer's barely disguised fetish is why
I love Robert Sheehan, he deserved better lol. At least now he’s Klaus
He's such a treasure ❤️
@@persgodiva he really is 💙
In TMI movie Simon felt kinda sexualized. But in TUA show Klaus just a sexual character. If that makes sense that’s just how I saw it
He's awesome. Although the first thing I watched him in was a show called Misfits. I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's a British show. It's about people who are gifted with powers after a storm. Robert plays a character called Nathan, who isn't too dissimilar to Klaus. It's really good.
I just- i’ve LOVED the Shadowhunters for as long as i can remember. I actually do enjoy the movie. I also love the Umbrella Academy. HOW DID I NOT REALISE SIMON AND KLAUS ARE THE SAME GUY 😭
I was a mega-fan when this came out and literally the only part of the movie I enjoyed was Godfrey Gao. It's a real shame we lost him too soon.
i didnt know he died, he was so young. that breaks my heart
I didn't know he died. This it's so sad 😞. He vas so young.
@@srushed he passed from cardiac arrest whilst filming a sports related reality show in China. He'd been filming for 17 hours. Fucking bonkers.
R.I.P. Godfrey Gao 😢🙏
Same
When it’s been two years and your still waiting on a part 2 🫠
She never did a part 2?
@@MrElionornope 😢
@popppyyyy1 wow... you'd think someone claiming a part 2 already filmed it but it would make the video too long. That's disappointing
@AmandaTheJedi - 3yrs... waiting on part 2
Finding out that the series was based off on fanfiction makes so much sense now. It would have changed my perception of the story so much.
Wait what? Fanfiction? Of what? 😂😂
@@pandemelocoton9685Watch from 2:50, stranger in the internet.
In what way lmao
@@totallyanonymousbish9599 This is just based off on my personal experience, but I didn't like the books at all. I couldn't get past the first chapters of City of Bones because I found it a bit too clichéd for a published fantasy book. I was reading fanfiction for almost a decade when I picked up the books, so all the tropes that Amanda pointed out in this video felt tired to me. If I knew it was based off on fanfiction, I would have approached it with the mindset I would usually reserve for fanfiction? Though it may also not have worked because the allure of fanfiction, for me, is to see characters that I'm already in love with in different scenarios not depicted in canon.
Wasn't she involved in some Harry Potter dumpster fire involving MsScribe? *shudders*
I loved the books and hated the movie. Valentine in the books was actually a very charismatic politician type character and an excellent manipulator. The movies bastardization of him was unforgivable.
I don't know which I hate more - movie Valentine or tv series Valentine
they made him a weird hippie that got me so mad back then
I thought he was supposed to be a sort of Hitler for the race superiority thing and also the hypocrisy with the whole honorary aryan .
I mean at least he was hot but yeah I agree 😅
Also, he experimented on his own kids. An evil politician with a mad scientist streak and we get a portrayal like that?
"Somebody told me that you like to play music" slams his head into the piano keys
That really broke me, I DIED 😂
I heared there was a secret cord.
That Jacey played, and it pleased the Lord.
But you don't really care for music do ya Valentine?
why did i read this to the tune of all star
Istg when I saw that scene in the movie I couldn’t breathe for like 10 minutes 😭
Love how the new place already looks almost exactly like the old place lmao
Yeah I was like "You moved, I thought you just painted or something"
Lol this is the real life version of the “corporate wants you to find the differences between these photos” Office meme
I love that Magnus Bane’s cat’s name is Chairman Meow. I totally didn’t get it the first time around haha.
Fun fact, in my language (Hungarian) they translated as Meow Tse-tung
@@juliatakacs3994 cool, I once tried to learn some Hungarian travel phrases and said Hello how are you in Hungarian to a friend who asked me about it. Apparently it means something dirty in Korean haha.
@@toric6005 haha i didn't know that i will have to look that up. They say Hungarian is a hard language to learn, but we always appreciate ppl trying to
@@juliatakacs3994 I looked it up too apparently it’s slang so I couldn’t find an official translation but two different Korean guys said you don’t wanna know haha.
In one of the Bane Chronicles, he has a cat named The Great Catsby.
The part 2 of this video having never come out over 2 years later is truly emblematic of The Mortal Instruments as a franchise
Yeaah, the retcon wasn't planned at all. Clare was actually gonna make her main ship incestious siblings. Thank the editors who said "yeah no, we can't market that shit to teens."
Considering Clare's past when she was Harry Potter fanfic writer that fact does not surprise me in the slightest
I still really like the plot Clare made out of the, there are not siblings after all, but Clearly still has a brother. Just this whole plot thing I really liked this conclusion.
@@shiro-chan5476 SPOILER SPOILER
she still kissed her brother too
@@sweetlids2898 oh my god my brain somehow blocked all that out. wasn't her real brother all crazy stalker for her too? and for a full book jace was absolutely fine with that and was all buddy buddy with him despite him being incredibly weird towards clary while they were dating. man wth. this series was way more messed up than i remembered as a teen.
@@oe2758 yeah but jace was under Sebastian’s control that’s why he was buddy buddy with him
Clary gives me Bella Swan vibes of being a bland, goodie two shoes girl in a love triangle with a Nice Guy and a Bad Boy, who constantly makes idiotic decisions!
but at least she is better at fighting that bella swan
@@hugoumero9723 An actual swan is better at fighting than Bella Swan.
@@hugoumero9723 she didnt need to know how to fight, she hypnotized you with her blank stare.
I never really got a very big "love triangle" vibe from the series. Sure Simon was in love with her in the beginning but it was very clear she had no interest in him and the books move past that particular snag pretty quickly. There is another character later on but it barely lasts an entire book if I remember correctly. Aside from the books where they thought they were siblings the overaching plot of the books have it very clear who the main couple was. Been a while since I read the books though so I might be miss remembering some things.
@@dualdragoom "another character later on" yeah her ACTUAL brother like forreal this time lol
One thing I hated about her writing was whenever a couple seemed in a good place, suddenly one of them does this incredibly toxic thing and it becomes drama for three books.
The whole Alec trying to take away Magnus' immortality was such a weird and messy background plot.
Also the rune bond things rules changed with each series 😭
Part 2 may not be til closer to the end of July or early August - but you guys have me really excited to check out Infernal Devices once I get through this trilogy!
please do! They are lovely!
You should read TDA, Julian Blackthorn is the best character (in my opinion) of the whole Shadowhunters universe
@@Ale-tv8kz the thing is with tda its a lot harder to go in without reading all of tmi and the spin off series like shadow Hunter academy, like you can but you won’t get the full effect
@@bethanchalmers912 I couldn't get into Shadowhunter Academy and at this point, there's so many spin off books that if I ever finish the main books (Lord of Shadows and Chain of Gold books) I'll just say to heck with it, I'll be confused.
Yes please do!!! I would love your point of view, besides the books are really good and lovely
Finding out that Cassandra Claire wrote another Mortal Instruments series with Ron/Ginny as love interests made so much sense given the amount of incest in the published series
i remember reading this series for the first time in my early teens and being DEVASTATED when clary and jace were siblings and then being so relieved when they weren’t
I hate how this entire series isn't even just "Clary and Jace are in love, BUT their siblings, BUT they're NOT REALLY", it's also Jonathon (as Sebastian) going on a date with Clary WHO he KNOWS is his sister. And Alec is in love with Jace, his gay realisation, also his adopted brother and parabatai (aka blood pact brothers). Where to start and end with All of The Issues, Ever.
Yeah, I think Cassandra Clare just has an incest kink.
And that's not even getting into the fact that Alec's feelings for Jace are literally forbidden due to the parabatai curse. Recently read up on that before reading The Dark Articles
Oh and in TDA, Julian and Emma being in love, despite the fact they're Parabatai AND Emma is an orphan who's been living under the same roof as him for years as well as seeing his siblings as family. Or how about Cristina and Diego as they ARE distantly related?! TLH, Cordelia is the younger cousin of Jem, who is the parabatai of James' father and he literally calls her cousin Uncle Jem. It's FUCKED UP.
The only series I can think of that's not incestual would be TID, which is why it's my 2nd favourite after TMI and would have been my favourite if Mortmain had been a more interesting villain as the Morgensterns are still the best ones Cassandra Clare has written (but at least he wasn't as dull as Malcolm Fade, that one could just fade away).
Thank you for mentioning how awful Alec crush on Jace looked. I'm sick of people dismissing it because "adopted siblings don't count". The weird thing is how in later books she rectified it by having the Lightwoods -his sister Isabelle included- repeat that they considered Jace to be their own. Then why is Alec different? Or it's "Gay incest crushes don't count"?
@@linasayshush Book Six definitely hits this in. Idk how Sebastian's attempted sexual assault of Clary got past any editors, because that's what made me stop reading the series as a whole. There were some creepy moments before but it went from like spooky crap to full on r*pe and I couldn't deal. I put the book down and I just never read any of Cassandra Clare's books again. I think she went too far.
It makes me sad because I feel that if she had a better editor and spent more time working on her writing, her books would still be so cool. I love Magnus and Alec, and they were impressive representation at the time. She also is a good writer to some extent but she could've been better if somebody was monitoring her to make sure she didn't go too far because Book Six was too far.
There's so much to talk about with Cassandra Clare's fanfiction history including Gryffindor Tower and the "inner circle"; sort of helping to create fandom culture as we know it to be today. The controversies that surround her and her friends are numerous. I studied fanfiction for my MA and Cassandra Clare somehow ended up being indirectly responsible for my thesis topic. I loved her books as a kid, but now my feelings are a tad more complicated.
Same. I was actually around back in those early HP yahoo groups days and reading Aja Romanos takedown of it all gave me war flashbacks. CC is a piece of work.
@@persgodiva how so? I'm not that familiar with her.
@@RebekahMartinModernJaneAusten please look it up yourself it's way too much to get into.
My involvement as a fanartist with that ParadigmOfUncertainty Yahoo!Group that also hosted Cassandra's fics helped get me into art school and furnished my first apartment, so... hooray for fandom having direct hands in major life steps...? 😅
This is kind of long but hopefully somewhat interesting:
When I was having my summer-before-senior-year prospective student interview at Ringling, the guy interviewing me was looking through my portfolio and it was going _terribly._ Like looking at my still life work and saying _"You're not good enough to get accepted at this rate"_ terribly. I was having a _meltdown_ inside because Ringling was my dream school.
Then he got to a sparkly folder I had stuck in the back of my portfolio for shits and giggles, and it was full of HP fanart and LOTS of illustrations I had done for "A Sirius Affair" and "Paradigm of Uncertainty". As soon as he saw that stuff, the whole interview _turned on a dime._
"Why didn't you show this to me earlier?? These are great! I don't know what's going on in them, but each of them is telling a story and that's EXACTLY what we look for in the illustration department! Forget what I said before. Go enroll in drawing classes at your local college or university for your senior year of high school to buff up your skills and be sure to include some of THIS stuff in your admissions portfolio and you'll have no problem getting in!"
After I basically picked myself up off of the floor I enrolled in night classes at University of Texas, submitted my admissions application and portfolio, and I got my acceptance letter to Ringling on Valentine's Day. I graduated in 2007 with my BFA.
Then when I had to move off campus junior year, Siriologist (the author of the "A Sirius Affair" fics) lived like 25 minutes away from Ringling and sold me a BUNCH of old furniture she and her husband didn't need anymore for dirt cheap (she said she would have just given it to me for free but her husband insisted she charge me SOMETHING for it) because I had drawn so much art for her fics when I was in high school and we had become internet friends because of it.
Fandom is powerful shit, man.
@@RebekahMartinModernJaneAusten Yeah I second just looking it up because as someone else who was around for all of that batshit insanity, it sincerely IS too much to explain here. Try searching for "Cassandra Claire and MsScribe" and you should find breakdowns of the whole thing.
Clary: "I love him like a brother"
Cercei Fairchild: 😏
Nooo
We’re these insane books? Yes. However, when I read these books I was right in the throes of young middle school me realizing I was gay, and reading about the relationship between Alec and Magnus, especially Alec’s realizing his sexuality, I felt incredibly validated. I would say that it helped me settle my sexuality, and look for representation in other books and media.
yes same- i literaly do not care about any main characters from the first series- to ME it was the magnus and alec story and clary and jace were side characters lmao.
@@chanceyousef5649 that’s exactly how I felt too!
@@chanceyousef5649 I literally forgot that clary was the main character so when I read the books and found out Alec wasn’t in them much I was lowkey disappointed
My favourite way to re-read these books is just skimming through and only reading sections related to Alec and Magnus.
That’s the Most disapoointing thing with Clares Books! She thinks up these Great characters but then she Doesn’t make them the Mains
I've only read the first book a long time ago but I remember my aunt asking me what it was about and I told her "It's about this girl who discovers she has powers, and the bad guy she's fighting against is actually her father and then she finds out the guy she's falling in love with is actually her brother... Wait a minute, this is Star Wars but with demons!"
Nice to hear someone else call it a “Steel” after watching the series and hearing it’s technically “Stel-ay”. I’d read like 9 books in the series calling it a “Steel”.
let's just call it what it actually is.... the magical tattoo device that every teenager wants/needs in their lives
I always pronounced it 'steel-ee' when reading, the show pronunciation took so long to get used to :')
Lateee but I always read it as "ste-leh"
@@mrsneeze903 Cassie talked about how the pronunciations are really up to the readers, so you can say it however you want. Don’t necessarily take the movie/show’s pronunciation as canon.
Basically from what I understand, everyone loves Magnus Bane, the only good thing from the series.
Which has made me realise the only thing that kept me reading the series was Magnus. He's a lad.
True. I even named a cat after him haha
His side stories are a miracle from heaven.
But to this day I wonder what *exactly* it was that he did to get himself kicked out of Peru.
Honestly Magnus as a whole as well as his relationship with Alec is the only reason I will probably continue reading the books after I had stopped a few years ago.
Also I like the universe.
Honestly the lightwoods and mangus was the only thing that really kept me, the vampires and werewolves were interesting though but yeah the mainleads were dry and their relationship just made it worse .
I don’t like the show or the movie but I love the book it’s my favorite book series I love how she writes the relationships
The whole incest thing with this series was hilarious because it’s later revealed that they actually aren’t related but then revealed that they are and it flips back and forth until they stick with them being unrelated just oddly connected with magic and it just goes off the walls
At that point they should have just committed with a strong "long lost similarly aged siblings can bang" like that one episode of House MD.
I still think they are related in a way. Jace WAS raised by Clary's biological father and called him as such. The thing is that Clary doesn't consider Valentine to be his father because he never raised her and was just awful, which fair dgmw, but the connection is still there.
Aren't they like literally half angels or some shit
@@michaelortiz1561 that’s what the shadow hunters are anyway but I think clary and jace are more angel because of some magical blood transfusions or some shit and then clary’s real brother is the same but with demon blood I think. And jace and whatever clary’s brother is called are like magically linked so then it turns into like incest by proxy where her brother can feel everything that jace feels. This series was odd
A year and a half ago I promised myself that when part 2 of this video came out I will finish my thesis, guest what. I kept my promise
Interestingly, I read all the books way back when, but never saw the movie. No, it’s my DAD who has watched the movie MULTIPLE times and enjoyed it without reading the book and I still don’t know why
The casting for all the older actors was pretty spot on TBH, and it's not the worst movie I've seen. I own it, and there is a charm to it... even if I mostly like falling asleep to the movie, lol. Jace and Clary have better chemistry in the movie even if it's rushed... if you watch it over and over it actually feels less rushed strangely. I dunno, I wish it was way better, but I've seen wsy worse imo.
Your dad is so valid
OMG SAME, though I just read the first book and loved it, I kinda put off buying the rest and then the movie came out and dad was super into it, and he's always like it's okay but we went to watch it at the cinema twice and every time its on TV he always watches it, he even bought the second book like, what is with that movie and dads😂😂
This is coming from someone who watched the movie incessantly as a kid, without reading the books. Like people say, the charm is there. The premise and the demons design especially the demon dog scene; I remembered fondly.... Until I watched it again as a teen, and saw how mediocre it was.
Tried to watch the series after reading the books. Failed
I'm guessing this Lily Collins is better than 'Emily in Paris' Lily Collins.
THATS WHY SHE LOOKED FAMILIAR
@Ann True. She must have a terrible agent. Either that or she can't chose projects.
@@SoWhosGae I kinda thought mirror mirror was cute…but yeah other then that there’s not much…
@Ann A Cinderella Story was decent but her best role was in Love, Rosie
@@kaylakoala5424 I liked Mirror Mirror but only because of the costumes and cinematography (and Julia Robert's acting was pretty fun ngl 😂).
“Thank God for the Umbrella Academy” AMEN.
literally any show would benefit from a snarky queer robert sheehan character
As a young teen when I read these, I always thought there wasn't enough apreciation of Isabelle's character. It was really nice reading a YA book that had a female character that was really strong and powerful while still being very distinctively feminine. Isabelle, who wore heels and make-up and dresses, was a better fighter than most in their geration. She dated anyone she wanted and owned romances with donworlders, and was caring and protective of her family. But she also made mistakes and, at times, was vulnerable. In a world were most media shows the popular girl as an antagonist, the girly girls as 'stupid'... reading about her was great to help me shape my friendships with other girls and to not let myself be swayed by the 'not like the other girls' trope. Especially since my family is very academically oriented and anything else is frowned upon.
So... while reading these books, Isabelle was very much a wake-up call. Because she was a girl who liked all those things society tends to belittle, and Clary points it out. Clary very much like the 'not like other girls' frowns upon Izzy, because she is pretty and likes to date around and, in a way Clary is jealous and feels superior in some ways at the same time. But with time she grows and realizes that that's not how the world works and she befriends Isabelle and honestly apreciates her.
At least, that was how it hit me at the time.
Also: Izzy was a little terrified of any real relationship with men... How relatable is that?
Yes, this is wonderfully done !
Yeah very relatable!!!
Honestly, I haven't read the books, and she seems like a great character. I hv an issue w her character tho, she called Simon her "toy" and was forcing him to change his personality
I just want to point out that the books go waaay more in depth with the Jace/Clary storyline. Spoiler - they aren't actually siblings.
but then *SPOILER*
clary’s actual biological brother tries to get with her in books 5 & 6🤮
and spoiler - Clary and Jace were meant to stay siblings until her editor refused to let her publish the 3rd book that way
and SPOILER
not only does clary's biological brother try to get with her, they actually KISS in a NON-CONSENSUAL WAY because that was definitely necessary?? Yeah, no.
@@RedReaper1997 holy shit I did not know that
@@TheHeartsGirl yeah i heard about it around the time of the release of the 3rd book. i think i read up to book 4 before i just couldn't get that out of my mind and i stopped reading. i didn't even know about one of the above comments where Sebastian SA Clary
It's been 2 years Amanda, we're still waiting 😅🫶🏽
"it looks like a shitty music video for a former Disney star" is so hilarious considering Demi Lovato is singing the song playing in the background when they kiss
noooooooo pleaseeeeeeee lmao
The biggest tragedy is we never got the epic Magnus Bane party we deserved.
Hear, hear.
Alec and Magnus are my only two reasons to even read the first few books. I love Magnus Bane so much that I completed his Bane Chronicles but couldn't completely the series 😂
Weird thing, I went to a cassandra clare book signing that began with a Q+A and someone asked her if she reads mortal instruments fanfic. She said yes. And one fanfic she read shipped Alec and Isabella (who are siblings) and everyone screamed in disgust which confused me because this is the fandom who shipped Clary and Jace even when They were siblings
"Subzero wins."
Enjoyed the random Mortal Kombat reference.
Girl part 2 pleaaaase. I'm relieving so many pre-teen memories with this series, I need the rest of it
yeah we all need it
Yes! Like where is part twoooo, Amanda
@@KulkowaAnhe she has said she is working on it but the show and books are long
@@killuasa8399 Oh, thank you for the info ^^
@@killuasa8399thx for the info
“It’s kimba all over again” I can’t lol. Someone did a like hour or longer video breaking that down and it’s interesting
yeah that was YMS!
It was 3 hours long
@@iAmPimmiCue I remember that video- I think the conclusion was "Yes, they have similar elements, yes Disney were kind of jerks, but no Kimba and the Lion King are very different."
And honestly, looking into it, yeah Kimba is different from The Lion King. Like a grey hound and a whippet.
There's a North Korean/Italian cartoon called Simba The King Lion, which is a Lion King/Jungle Book crossover
Put respect on YMS name!!!
Shinobi-03 also did a multi-part essay on the subject
Shadowhunters was ultimately an unmemorable show, BUT when I was watching it, I got into it, and watched it until the end. I felt like the actors were there for the ride and were willing to do all the crazy that the script demanded, and pretty convincingly too, which made it fun. Also, Harry Shum Jnr. is ❤❤
yESS, the cast for the tv show was incredible! Although I didn't really like Clary at times, I think the actress did what she could considering Clary was unlikeable to being with lol. I wish writers didn't fuck up good casts with horrible scripts but the actors I loved so much
I just feel sad for the actor playing Jace's bloodbrother (forgot his name) because he seemed very uncomfortable playing a gay dude. I've seen him in a movie on Netflix (No-Kiss List) and he brings the charm up to eleven. He just didn't convince me in the show.
Yesss I honestly still love the show, the cast was just pure 10/10 for me!
I prefer the show cast to the movies cast anyway, especially when it comes to Alec and Izzy, they were WAY too old for those roles.
@@LunaWitcher I didn't get that vibe at all? Heck Malec is the main reason why most people stick to the show because of the actors chemistry.
@@TiredLex are you sure it isn't because they are two hot characters making out cannonically?
I'm not saying he seemed uncomfortable with the make out scenes, he just felt... Idk, out of his element to me? Like, he was super stiff, like he couldn't express any emotion properly.
I was so ridiculously shamelessly obsessed with this book in 8th grade that my best friend and I would draw runes on our arms with eye liner before sports games. And I'd do it again.
Amanda, if you're disturbed that you know Ron/Ginny was "Weasleycest", let me hurt you some more: Fred/George was "twincest".
Oh god😀
Oh no!
I learned about twincest from the ouran high school host club and im only now realising how similar the two sets of twins are
I think Jaime and Cersei were the original twincest, as the first book came out in '96. And *that* one is canon, for better or worse.
@@emilyb.8219 I haven't read or watched GoT. I'm not trying to say that the term _originated_ with Fred/George, anyway; I'm just telling her what the pairing was known as in the Harry Potter fandom since you knew about it regardless of whether or not you actually read fics for it. 🤷♀️
I love the “I want to play a game” edit. Like that elevator shot really does look like a Saw trap
17:52 To be fair, knowing Magnus, a party of his will be happening tonight, whichever day you discover a need to talk to him. :P
i know clary, jace, and simon are the “main characters” but alec and magnus are my favorite. i grew to like izzy more as i read the shadowhunter books, but alec and magnus have stayed my favorites over time. alec was especially important to me and magnus is just such a badass. i watched the first season of the show simply to see them get together. the show was definitely a better adaptation than the movie, but they still managed to overcompliacte the universe by trying to under-complicate it.
I can't believe they did the "M for Mini, W for Wumbo" gag with the ring and played it straight
I hated the movie when it came out, but comparing to the show, it was considerably better. But it deserves a full on good adaptation and so does Percy Jackson.
Percy Jackson is getting a TV series with Disney (who also published and distributed the series under their Hyperion label) with Rick Riordan involved so there's hope. Rick wasn't involved in the movies because he refused to after seeing how the casting process went lmao, but he's writing for the TV show and it sounds great so far.
@@StarrySeal the show just got greenlit
I feel the need to say before I watch this, that they aren't actually related. It's a spoiler but true.
Oh thank god
Yet the author thought that was hot make the not brother and sister have sexual tension while thinking that they were related yet it was wrong with Claire and her real brother wtf lol
But didn't Claire real brother try to get w her in book 5 or something? Like she took off the incest only to insert it right after lol
@@MissAlikescakes I actually found it hot lmao. I mean I wasn't believing they're related, I was like "this can't be true" from the beginning, and I was just waiting for it to be revealed. And I find hot "forbidden love", "enemies to lovers" etc. tropes in general (yes, I'm basic). I gotta say tho, when I read the first 3 books I was 11 and I've never said I was normal... I can't say how I would feel about it now 11 years later, now it's mostly the sentiment for the books. Oh, and I actually like the 19th century prequel better. There's no incest, only "Withering heighs" knock-off cause the male love interest thinks he's cursed so people who will fall in love with him will die or something, so he pushes the female protagonist away of course (and people in general for that matter). But enjoyable knock off it was ;) since it's her second series it's also better written as well and has more enjoyable characters in total, especially main two (6 books and I've never gotten to like Clary for example).
@@kenjako Jonathan/Sebastian (her actual brother) had like a weird obsession with Clary, I don't think it was really a romance tactic so much as trying to get her on his side. Like it was about control. He didn't even think of her as an actual person.
Imagine in a world of 7 billion people, and you still choose to be attracted to your sibling 🥴
Well, to be fair, we don't choose who we're attracted to in life. But I get what you mean.
I mean why not-
Well they weren't siblings. And yeah I spoiled it for myself but if you think about it, she didn't get an immediate feeling of familiarity like a sibling from Jace but she got it from Sebastian. She felt kissing Sebastian was wrong. Because HE really was her brother.
@@crashbluue I mean, most of the time when attraction to siblings happen it's because they've been secluded together for too long or because they didn't know they were siblings and had a connection. Maybe you can't help who you're attracted to, but there are psychological reasons for it.
@@tsu2155 I really hope you don't have a sibling...
"somebody told me that you like to play music" I don't know why but that part made me laugh
The thing that bothers me the most is how someone pointed out that Lily has her mouth half opened through the entire movie and it’s the only thing I notice anymore
i'll never forget that i sent an e-mail to c.clare when i was in junior high and just started writing my own urban fantasy novel inspired by city of bones. she replied expressing gratitude and joy for being one of the driving force that made me consider writing more seriously. then all the accusation of bad shit and sus behaviour broke out years later and i didn't know how to feel. still don't, tbh. lol.
I actually loved this movie😭😭. Like Lily, Jamie and Robert did amazing with what they had. The chemistry 👌
The chemistry between movie Jace and Clary is so much better than TV series Jace and Clary
I have invested so mich time reading all these books that I can't hop off this train
@@suzygirl1843 you aren't missing out on anything especial. It's just a rather chill and happy fandom and I like being a part of it.
About the "did Clare decide to retcon the insecst later" thing, if you pay close attention whenever it compares Jace and Clary to Valentine you will notice something interesting. Any time Clary is described to be similar to Valentine its about their physical features, the jaw line and so forth. But when Jace is described, it is always in relation the the way they both talk or the way the walk, learnt behaviors, not physical. This movie makes that even more confusing with line from Valentine like "i heard you like to play piano." Yes, YOU taught him that! But it is made even more clear in the next book that there were never written to be actually siblings. If that bothers you or not thats up to you.
I'm re-reading The Mortal instruments and was thinking just that when the comparison part came in the book :). When you read it the second time after reading the whole series, there are a lot of little things in the second book that hint that Jace isn't really Valentines son, and that he's not a Wayland.
it is true, i never thought they were siblings while reading it, there were A LOT of hints.
It’s clever eat your cake and have it too from the author, having both the drama of a forbidden incest romance while having it not actually be incest
They were supposed to be biological siblings but the publisher made her change it
in the book it is described that the only thing that Clary shares with her father are small hints in her features because she is supposed to be nothing like him. Jace, being raised by Valentine hints several times that there is no physical resemblance except how he behaves and moves. Sebastian tells Clary that he never learned how to play instruments growing up only fighting. When Clary brings up how Jace learned to play the piano Sebatian tell her that it was their mother's idea for Jace to learn to play the piano. In short Valentine had nothing to do with Jace learning to play the piano.
I remember loving these books as a middle schooler but during the heart of the pandemic I reread it and omg was it ever terrible! Not only was the the dialogue so cringe but the writing was absolutely atrocious haha
I wasn't a huge fan of this series but I absolutely love Magnus Bane. I especially loved Harry Shum Jr. portrayal of him in the shadow hunters tv adaptation. I only read parts of the books but I watched the entire tv series and honestly I mostly watched the series for Magnus Bane and Alec. Isabelle has some pretty boss moments as well. Can't wait for part 2!
I’m 99% sure most people watching the show were only in it for Malec. Back when it was still airing you could find video comps with only Malec scenes, everyone complained there wasn’t enough Malec/little to no Malec sometimes, and literally everyone I’ve ever met, when we talk about TMI, they always tells me they only read the books/watch the show for Malec.
I remember watching Shadowhunters and for the first season at least everyone including myself did not think it was very well made (just look up the knives they used) but we loved it anyway and thought it was amazing. And omg the wedding. Fans went nuts for that and I'm pretty sure it was not in the book.
SPOILER ALERT: The Malec wedding is in another Shadowhunters series called The Dark Artifices.
@@rituparnadesai3665 And if you ask me, it’s more realistic, I mean in the books Malec has been in a serious relationship for four years, have two children, while in the TV show they’ve been dating for like most a year and it really seems like they just got married for fanservice
If it’s possible to both intensely love and intensely hate a series at the same time, this would be it for me
Holy shit just _hearing_ "Cassandra Claire" made me have war flashbacks.
I was a member of the YahooGroup that hosted her stuff as well as MadLori and Siriologist's fics, "The Paradigm of Uncertainty" and "A Sirius Affair" respectively. I was one of the frequent illustrators for both (and still consider Siriologist a personal friend - she helped me furnish my first apartment, actually😅), so while I never cared to read Cassandra's stuff I DID see all the batshit crazy that went on around it.
For a better idea of the time period, at this point the latest book that had been published was _Goblet of Fire._
Fuck I'm old.
This just gave me flashbacks. THE YAHOO GROUP. Oh man, as crazy as it was, I miss it. I am with you though - I have never read the books, and I never plan on it. I can't separate them from all of the insanity I watched go on in fandom.
@hideflen I miss it. I used some of my college grad money back in 2007 to buy a permanent account, I used LJ so much. I got my money's worth out of it for sure, but... it's still there. I go back to it every now and then to read what was going on in my life while I was IN college since I started it the summer after I graduated high school in 2003.
I had such a great little community around my journal of about 150 followers because I posted my art here and there along with generally talking about art school, since that seems to be a mysterious beast to a lot of people. lol
I miss the conversations I had with my regular commentors... and a couple of them are actually still my friends nearly 20 years later.
@@jacyevans I miss it, too. The art I was producing back then was good for a high school kid but omfg do I ever cringe at it now, nearly 15 years post-art school for illustration. 😅
If you ever looked at any of the art for Paradigm or especially Sirius Affair, you probably saw my stuff since I was pretty prolific. I think I went by nevi_al_2001 back then since I didn't start using this handle until 2002-ish.
I also ran The Chamber of Keys where I posted all of my HP art back then, which was fairly well-known at the time (or at least that's what I've been told). If you never came across it, somebody else who reads this thread might have. lol
Haha! I was in the Yahoo group too! Even with all the batshit, I loved her stories. The Draco trilogy is still my favorite HP fanfic. And all of her books just keep getting better and better, so I still love those too.
But man, back in the day, haha!
I'm old as fuck too apparently, so don't feel bad.
Me a few years ago, getting the first book as a gift “oh this might be cool”
The main relationship being incest. “…..how did we even get here??”
Safe to say I didn’t continue reading that one.
I read farther. It took WAY too long reveal their true relationship status.
But it's not incest, haha
Not only dod they reveal it's not incest but they reveal right after the character said "f this I know were related but we're gonna make out anyway!"
@@ajmalaika1287 That itself followed after pages and pages of lustful looks and "electric touches" that lingered and reminiscing about when they didn't know and they could make out.
So did we ever get a part 2? Or did this end up like the film series itself?
As far as I can tell still no ln the part 2 🤷🏼♀️🙄
@@sandralovato9507 i was looking for part 2 as well
Seems there is still no part 2, more then a year after… sad. I wanted to discuss the tv series as it had better cast
@@lgaolga2829 although it was kinda awkward to watch idk why
It got cancelled after the first one flopped at the box office sadly
I’ll be honest, for the first five minutes I was thinking “When are we going to get to the giant moving cities?”
oh were u thinking of mortal engines?
@novacies yup, I completely forgot that this series was a thing
Okay but the infernal devices and most of the books to come after the mortal instruments are genuinely soooooo much better and enjoyable to read. TID is one of my favourite book trilogies ever
SAME
I still hate the grief s** trope (where tessa and will bang after will tells her jam is dead and they both think he is dead) but it was honestly so much better
@@AllDaGoodUsernamesWereTaken it was a little sus but it was made clear throughout the books that Tessa loved both of them (and they both loved her and were fine with it, since they were parabatai) so it didn’t bother me massively. Rather that than incest💀
Innit!!
I so agree ! TID is really just an amazing series of books
@@AllDaGoodUsernamesWereTaken the fact that people do use intimacy to get over serious grief and loses in real life plus the fact that they actually loved each other and had intimacy on an emotional level not only physical was what made me feel unbothered by it.
Oh wow, just hearing Cassandra Claire mentioned brings me back. I was a baby in the early HP fandom days, so in my mind, she was always the weirdo BNF who used to sic her lawyer friend on children who criticised her. I've avoided reading her stuff for years, but this video is kind of making me wish I'd given them a look, at least for the drama
THIS IS EVERYTHING I'VE EVER WANTED
All I ever needed
Is here
Likewise, I'll grab the popcorn, this should be entertaining!
Me tooo
I was the weird kid in high school that carried these books everywhere. Read the six main books and the first spin off series. Followed every second of the casting choices and behind the scenes photos but then absolutely hated the movie. Watched a few episodes of the tv series before giving up on it all entirely.
SAME. The Infernal devices is a good series tho
SAME, the infernal devices is really good though, it's basically the only love triangle I actually enjoy
@@tanukimika As well as the fact that Cassandra have matured as an writer and the aesthetics of it all.
@@lucy_kitty_chan447 definitely, I still mildly enjoy the mortal instruments, but they pale in comparison to her later works, they're still very rough and they have a ton of cliché not even that well done, later books handle that aspect very well
same. in my first year of high school we had to dress up as superheroes for a week and I dressed as a shadowhunter. draw the runes on with a sharpie and everything. went to the movies to watch the film like that. for the entire year I acted like a fucking weirdo and only wore black because of this series. I also wondered why nobody liked me lmao
This movie looks so unintentionally hilarious. The werewolf taking out the demon kid and the 'I heard you like music' bit had me in stitches.
I still hate that the Shadow Hunters series just kills off Jocelyn so soon even though she's very alive in the books and as far as I remember a well-written mother ... But I read the books in my early teens, so that's a while ago
Right? The whole big thing of the 2.5 first books was about saving her! What was the point?!
i fucking screamed when jace says "do you remember when i said i'd never seen an angel? i lied"
Where is part 2? I think that the book series is SO good and I am going to wait for ever for that video. :D
I read this knowing they weren't really siblings but I CANNOT imagine reading it as the books were coming out and thinking they were being made to ship incest.
Now that I'm older I can't bring myself to reread it, it that bad. Also, the tv show manages to be even worse.
I read it without spoilers in mostly real time (I think if I'm remembering correctly the last book, 6, hasn't come out yet). So I do remember thinking it was interesting to see a writer outside of fanfiction do that and I was a little disappointed that they ended up not being related in the end because they had wasted so much of my time building up to it. However I did not really like the main relationship at all and so was happy when the drama of the will they/won't they finally finished and we had more time to explore other stuff.
My notes were like 'wait.. no... NOOOOO SIBLINGS?1!??'
@@AmandaTheJedi I think I was a bit desensitized to this idea because I had an online friend who was a BIG Dean/Sam Supernatural shipper. God I even remember the crazy amount of fanfiction shipping Draco and an apple. The internet is nuts man 🤣
I literally can't believe people didn't raise more of a fuss at the time. I mean, seriously. PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS LITERAL INCEST. Euuuugh
@@BE-ew2pt everyone loves a little taboo and wants some in their life, especially if it's something they should never try. Every read Erotica, incest every where. It's a fantasy
Okay but this movie was actually good to me. This clary and jace was everything. The chemistry was it for me here. The show didn’t get there at all. The books that I did read which were the first three were pretty good to me
Same in the book. The chemistry between clary and jace is just soo nice. People in the coments say that they're nauseated by the incest thing, but still... ThE cHemIstRy
I honestly couldn't get into her stuff bc I remember the Draco series and remembered when she was black listed. She admittedly refused to give credit even after a bunch of us showed her proof believing at first the plagiarism was an accident. Sooooo yeah, kudos to her and her success but I'm not a fan of hers, sorry.
Imagine if someone made my immortal a published book or movie adaptation.
At this point Id only be slightly surprised if that happened
Ah yes, Ebony aka Enoby (Wan Kenobi lol)
I’d definitely read/watch it. It’d be hilarious.
Oh c'mon you gotta admit that'd be hilarious and we'd all watch the heck out of that. I need this movie in my life now 😂
Only if they gett all the original Harry Potter cast to reprise their roles. Or make it an anime. Both works for me.
Truly a gift I did not know I needed at this exact moment.
Same
Where is part 2?? I'm dying to watch your review on the TV series!!!
The messed up thing is she still kept incest. With clary and her ACTUAL brother. This series is a mess lolol.
At least Clary thought THAT incest was gross
To be fair I’d guide referring to book 5-6 that was more akine to an attempted r*pe and was portrayed as such, and wasn’t meant to be an actual ship.
@@threebeforetwo yet rule number 1 of shipping: if exists, there is a shipping
@@threebeforetwo yep
at least the brother was the villain so it’s slightly less bad