Me working remotely on a US startup, I can’t imagine working for an Indian company now after knowing the culture. Working 8 hours exact, getting very good salary(10x compared to India), no toxic politics,
I worked in 5 countries and nothing is worse than working for Indian companies. EU laws are good and people treat work as a secondary thing not their whole life. It's even considered rude to call people on weekends for work related things. I can't imagine lasting even 1 week in Indian corporate now.
Dont work for big corporate.. Work for smaller companies and create competition for these giant Corporate. Dont help any organisation to create it's monopoly.
@@aditya_shelar Still I quote it with lot of responsibility. We all can see the trend of crony capitilist dictating their own terms in our country. The cartel of burocracy and the industraliast is working like a mafia to disrupt the healthy ecosystem of workforce This step will be for a social cause and will come at a cost workforce have to pay.
Dude this is India…behind 1 job opportunity there are 5 people standing behind you due to population….even if you have toxic working culture no one is going to come forward and destroy their own careeer….only Govt can levy strict laws to tackle this…you n me even after raising voice for 100th time won’t make any change
Dear divesh in india there 1000s of candidate. Behind 1 job opportunity. I give interview in feb 2024 , mid range mnc for sde 2 designation . And they offer me 40% less as compare to my previous salary. And after rejecting their offer in humble way possible. The hr and hiring manager shamelessly mock me while saying"tere jaise 1000 resume pade hai humare paas" then i disconnect call and blocked them. Fast forward i got placed in a good startup of dubai in april 1st week, and work remotely from home, with 70% hike. So yeah indian corporates are always toxic, they just want to milk employees at bare minimum cost.
@@princesharma2778sad part is we have the likes of Narayanan Murthy’s and Karnataka govt who feel ppl should work for minimum 14 hours daily and be physically present in office…while they shit it out with poor infrastructure and traffic woes
my ex manager gets all the ticks of the Toxic Checklist. My confidence level got so low that there were occasions when I cried on 1:1 meetings with him. I did 120%, no pats on the back, rather sarcastic gossips with a "work" political group of his own. My physical and mental health deteriorated pathetically. I quit due to ill health, regained health in 6 months, joined another firm with a lower salary. I am extremely happier now. My manager is a non-Indian and I am amazed how a manager can be. I have only one experience of Indian manager and I must say it's just dog shit.
I was in NewZealand for just 21 days in 2017 with 2 of my colleagues and we literally understood what is a balanced work life! And how people party at work on Fridays. You would never feel to leave that job even though you get lakhs of INR. It is true that money can't buy happiness. Real happiness is there when you are not bringing your office's frustration at home!
I worked in Deloitte,, hell place.. Now working in Meta.. much more Hell. Nobody helps. Everyone thinks why to waste my time. dont want to spend any time helping another
That's strange. Some of my colleagues in Deloitte are super chilling in tech roles. In MNCs case, Amazon has a great experience for me. I guess it is mainly differing in the context of the type of work stream, country and Manager.
Been an employee of EY , I can totally relate with the lack of recognition and employee perks especially no gifts in festivals like Diwali ,Later when I discussed the reason with someone from Finance dept he said budget allocate hota hai but upar wale(PPEDs/SMs)hi saara use kar lete hai, even no holiday if you are tagged on important client project Very toxic work culture had to leave in 1.5 yrs
I had to leave Deloitte without having job in hand. Stress caused major gynac issue, skipping meals even both meals, working till 3 am and even on weekend along. My mgr who was workoholic faced miscarriage twice in year because of stress.
@@aditya_shelarKeep Exploring multiple offers and keep Switching companies to grow your financial portfolio. Fuck MNC’s or Consulting firms work culture
We Indians just look for stability and most of us are from middle class or lower where we dont want to be unemployed. We need to look after our family and dats why we start accepting all these struggles even it becomes unbearable. I cant even imagine situation of freshers coz these corporates are mostly looking for experienced personnels.
The problem with big4 audit, assurance, tax practice is that it has a lot of lala Marwadis who promote toxic work culture. They have been brought up seeing their father exploit blue collared workers in their family business, they find this toxic behaviour normal and show the same behaviour in corporate. We don’t find toxic culture in technology wing of the same organisation due to less representation from that community.
although i am not a marwadi, i must say that we should refrain from any such stereotypes. good people and bad people exist everywhere in all communities around the globe. Wishing you a happy work life balance!
@@1.amitnanand But he is right marwadis and baniyas are like that, they are used to abuse their workers in business, in India they do it but outside India they come in line 😂😂😂
I was a CA student, in 2009 while I was attending the classes in Pune we have students in class who joined one of Big 4, I don't remember the name, as an Article Assistant, one such student was always sleeping in the class, and we used to make fun of him😢. Now I understood why he was ao tired and sleepy in the class after the latest incidents are unfolding.
When I was doing artcleship, there was this guy who joined Big4 post passing CA. He left after 1.5 years with a argument on his health, before leaving he exposed all of his manager and all related people and said if you will die these people wont have time to even think you were working for them. After 8 years the similar situation is talked the same way as that had the same point, but at that time he was targeted by everyone stating everyone does like this and people tried label him as he is not fit for CA profession. Even if he was junior to me, I considered him as he is perfect for the profession, but ICAI and audit firms make feel him and similar kind of guys as it is not enough.
Working at site L&T Construction, same scenario is there..no weekend off .... Sundays duty....70+ hrs week... No OT or compensation for overtime ... Trying my best to quit
Left 2yrs ago due to the same problem at L&T…worked for Mumbai coastal road project & MAHSR bullet train project Vadodra Gujarat….daily overtime and 24hrs,36-48hrs of shift was normal without shift change..no weekends off
There is toxic work culture , specifically within India. But the Indian who adaptated here in USA, they are pretty chill and cool. Only indian seniors and manager who currently controls from india is toxic as per my experience.
That is what happens in India, the employees dont even get any time or chance to breathe - how do you think they will get any chance to look for any offer? the notice period from company is anywhere between 3 months to 45 days , but they want joiners immediately or within 14 days?!!
That’s not always true.. I have always resigned without a job offer in hand. It depends on how you manage your contingency fund and your confidence levels in your skills.
I also worked in Wipro and they dont care. I used to work 14 hours a day and my manager used to chill. The culture is pretty bad there for mostly support departments.
Very nice interview. I am currently working at a startup company and the culture is quite good and senior management always listens you. The good thing in small companies is that the senior management is approachable easily.
What is the solution for this..? Should do a case study on this topic. How we can make the management fix this bugs, which is called work pressure / over work? Work life balance is a fancy title for the corporates.
Nice interview... I am currently serving my notice period at Deloitte Hyd now and can relate a lot with the conversation. Thanks so much for highlighting these
@@karmathefirst1945 only I can tell how tough it was. Working tirelessly and finding time for interviews during working hours. You have to be very confident in your domain and prepare during non working hours for interviews. Update your technical skillsets to be industry ready. Thats mostly all.
@@janmejayamishra9308 I am stuck in a low code no code project..... the job openings for that is very low. I am preparing dsa and cs fundamentals on my free time and made 2 MERN stack projects(personal). can you give me any tips? if possible can we connect somewhere else like LinkedIn etc?
Thanks aditya for sharing real truth and genuine experiences about these firms. This is the reality of rhis country because there is no strict labour laws and rules from government side for controlling the major employer who are doing much exploitation with employees. Need to open the eyes of this ruling indian government for paying the attention of employees health and well being thise are working in so called corporates.
Revealed the truth..👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Know your ability and do the work and never compare yourself with anyone... You are unique and your ability and capabilities are unique. Don't run behind the Office Party and Promotion recommendation... In corporate most of your colleagues are just jealous... Trust!
Any Idea how toxic smaller ones are. Don't give some suggestions, India doesn't have it. Work with passion without sleeping, eating, etc so the CEO can spend on useless expenses.
thanks for hosting such open, candid discussions and sharing these details. one suggestion: for larger audience & reach, is it possible to add English subtitle or make podcast in English?
Sis/Bro simultaneously prepare for gov exam or work on yourself, master yourself in one skill and get out of toxic work place. Work more on yourself than ur job
I resigned to Deloitte with out an offer in hand too I felt like I was forced to resign due to horrible work culture , but I felt pretty happy and relieved on that minute when I resigned . The work culture they have is horrible , they ask to work even if you are sick or bed ridden too, They ask you to work for 16 hours , 18 hours too , not just 1 or 2 days but even for an extent of 6 months ,which they restrict to enter enter into time sheets . but to make sure to be compliant ,they ask you to enter some extra hours into timesheet for few days keeping compliance issues in mind. Managers expect to be their puppets.
After listening the whole podcast, i understood that, Own Small Business is much more better than working in such big companies. If we have to work that much of the hours for the big companies, then why not work that much of hours for our own business....
Employees must understand their rights under Indian labor laws and ensure their company complies with them. No employee can be forced to work beyond legal limits or compromise their health and well-being due to management pressure. Keep written records of any promises, such as promotions, and avoid being manipulated into unpaid overtime or unreasonable demands. Your salary is a rightful entitlement regardless of management’s subjective expectations. Familiarize yourself with laws like the Factories Act and Shops and Establishments Act to protect yourself. Every worker deserves a respectful and fair work environment, and understanding your rights is the first step to standing against injustice.
All the private employees of India should call a strike because i also left a job because of toxicity and I was advised to not tell anybody about this you will not be hired by any company because all are connected to each other what should be done why should it be tolerated
Even Accenture does the same, after working for standard 5 days, leads will approach for additional support on weekends and when I demanded for the double pay they told me that management haven't notified them regarding the double pay but need to work for 6 days in a week. Later I have raised this concern and it's still going on 😂😂😂 and I am currently working six days in a week
Looking forward to getting on podcast with you give out more info and knowledge as to how not only the big 4 but big 6 work along with their anomalies and how the corporate functions. In anticipation of your reachout
End of the day company and management will only win and not employee, so quit if you are an employee but don't fight in company, because employee will not get any benefit of it.
Talk about main points that How some management people exploits employees, new joinees How HR is insufficient to satisfy it's employees. How few fast learners purposely suck managers & increase the targets for everyone
Loved the podcast. The toxic work culture should be reversed and any BIG anything should be sued if even a single employee dies from work pressure. Working hours over means work is over for the day.
Honestly. People are at different level. I dont know who fed this hustle thing in thier head, and they are ready to work for 14 hours. People during interview only, even small companies ask to work for 13-14 hrs, saying thats normal in india. So please stop only focussing Big4, but focus on the entire corporate. Some give excuse saying the client is from us, uk. So why dont you work in their shift only? Or is the the employee is incompetent, which is a thing I have seen myself while being abroad, when people reach out to me to teach them. The question is how do they even get hired? WHy dont you all unite to raise your voice ?
Ey employee here, just one statement- your company is as good as your manager, ey sucks at professionalism and politeness, if i write words thats been used by managers here u might never see EY same way again :) EY? Rather work for call centers you might find better working culture there
This is definitely wrong to state that Deloitte pays 20-25% . It might be possible only in fresher start but after one goes to consultant level , the hike is lesser. The wellness was only in Covid and then it stopped
IT is an extremely harsh and ruthless industry and you will suffer endlessly in this industry. There is no work-life balance in any organisation, all are the same.
Labour law, CSR, business ethics, Sustainability, work life balance, looks like Unicorn to me now. Ye sab sirf padhne padhane ke liye. Irrespective of the industry, everyone is overworked and underpaid. There is neither job security, you can go jobless overnight even if you have work for 10 or 20 years. What are we getting It's good that people are talking about it. Labour court should intervene. We need solution to this not another Anna Sebastian.
In the professional services industry, work-life balance is seriously compromised. It is a by-product of the corporate policies set by the management. Only good managers can be anyone's solace..
@aditya_shelar, because Managers are also shaped by the same system. Their professional and personal ethos overlap. What they have experienced is what they pass on below..
360digree feedback should be there in every company. Employees are not united. If all would be united then management will have to change their duty culture. In India, every employee wants to be closer to management and wants to show he is different than others so that he can get promotion. Work life balance can be managed by the company if employees start maintaining their duty hours. Stop overtime if you are not paid properly.
I have worked in Deutsche bank here in US and there were worst things going on. Unfortunately my manager was bad Indian Manager still with the same company and he asked me literally in US am I ready to smoke with him. I left the project
Yes toxic Manager can ruin a lot of things... especially no peace of mind. They don't know much & not willing to learn or understand instead they get completely insecured and try to put unnecessary pressure & assign non value add work to satisfy their ego...I'm happy I left that Team & moved to a different Team. I get to learn new things, voice out my opinions or inputs & mostly importantly my Manager encourages proper work life balance ...
I'm working at wipro and the situation here is same . Wipro internal projects are a living hell where as wipro vendor projects for Australian clients are blessing ❤they provide more leaves and better balance than wipro does for wipro employees 😂
I have joined retail in reliance and the work culture is just horrible even if you are sick you have to take pill and do work . Work politics is just sucks . Today only I have resigned now I am happy.
Not only big 4s....In Accenture, my manager say that we can call you at anytime 24 hrs and you have to work .. no OT, no other motivation ..nothing .. and when someone says I can't, they are on management's hitlist 😂 abd reality is it's not company, its the management..I worked with some wonderful leaders in same company itself
In cognizant i am still filling client timesheet of 9 hrs and cognizant timesheet 10 hours and i see client themselves fill their timesheet for 8 hours
@@Proud_banda ghanta. If you know business rules then you will not worry. Always remember after working hours this is not employee's business to provide support. And one more thing No body have right to mock someone except org owner. And if organization not follow basic standard then you will suffer with toxic work place culture And suddenly people resign from the job no matter what amount of salary they have.
@@Proud_banda ghanta. If you know business rules then you will not worry. Always remember after working hours this is not employee's business to provide support. And one more thing No body have right to mock someone except org owner. And if organization not follow basic standard then you will suffer with toxic work place culture And suddenly people resign from the job no matter what amount of salary they have.
@@vikastiwari6780 Bhai employees ke koi rights nhi hote 🥲 Direct fire nhi karenge but eventually force karenge resign karne ko. Tumhe lagta hoga tumne resign kar diya lekin aisa nhi hota tumse karawaya hota hai. Experience aa jayega don't worry fir mat bolna warn nhi kiya
@@Proud_banda me kafi clear hu, mere standard he me us level ke niche kaam nhi karta. That's reason samne wale se pehle hi interview me clear kar lo. Nahi to bad me gadhe ke jesa jb bole tb login lelo. Me personally janta hu kuch logo ko weekend me after login hours apni marwate rehte he critical issue chal rha he ke nam pr.
In all the MNC same toxic culture is there be it IT,Pharma MNC, life sciences and most of the managers were from UP Bihar Gurjat jo pofit show krne ke liye 5 bando ka kaam 1 se krwaye hn, overtime ka kuch nahi milta
Guys im working as a senior associate in one consultantinh in pwc india and jan 2025 where ill complete my 3 years. Now im not sure whether ill get a promotion to manage or not because im good with technical stuff but not that great when it comes to managemental stuff. I want to continue as a technical manager rather then a people's manager. Can anyone give some suggestions what are the changes one should expect after becoming a manager in big 4 from a technology consulting background?
My client was EY..I was working on an Audit project..In 2.5 years I never thought I had work pressure etc..I think it depends on an individual and profile..BTW i am a Software Engineer
Forget about the big 4, product based companies are no saint. I think source of the issue are Indian managers. Successfully I had got another company and am on notice period, hoping I ll not get a good manager this time.
कितने ही ऑफिस दुकान कई जगह काम कर कर के छोड़ दिया जैसे ही बोलते हैं कि भाई ऐसा नहीं चलेगा वैसा नहीं चलेगा 😮नेक्स्ट मंथ ही सैलरी लेकर टाटा बाय बाय कभी ज्यादा टेंशन नहीं लेना हफ्ते में एक बार मौज मारने जाना सिनेमा पार्क लॉन्ग ड्राइव 🤪 अब अपना खुद का ही कुछ शुरू कर लिया बिजनेस 🙌👍🙏
Sir I want to add something Some butter type employees are working more than working hours than our managers are asking to us that if these people can work than why you not
Credit Suisse for majority of parts had great work culture. I have seen people working with the bank for more than 20-30 years Supporting the point at 14:00 A friend of mine from KPMG was paid 15k/m with 3 years experience in the company training someone placed from Symbiosis with 12 LPA for same work
One thing I want to ask here, is the extreme burden of work in the Big 4 only for consultancy roles? Or for the Tech roles as well? If I join as an Automation QA, suppose in Deloitte, should I expect the same work culture as consultancy? (some of my friends are in Deloitte/PWC in Consultancy roles so got some idea about the work pressure)
It's for all the roles...generally if ur Client is good and ur Manager is good then it's good ...otherwise the toxic work culture is not limited to any roles
hello sir thank you for sharing your experience i learned a lot from this video. and could you please let me know where i can find more information about your company ?
Even the indian banking system is on the same page ..have a podcast with someone from the bank officerd .the workculture day by day in banks is getting worse..The PUblic sectors banks are also leading the race of torturing employess in the names of worklife balance ..
Everyone is talking about work pressure and long hours but no one talked about the forceful resignation done by these Big4s over last 6 months. It’s like chewing gum and then throwing it away after absorbing all its taste making it worthless. Would like to advice young folks who wants to work in these kind of so called corporate culture to look for some good work place with good work environment. They know that if one will leave 100 will step up to fill its place just because of the brand image.
I understand the toxic work culture in big MNCs in India. I also understand she is not Anjali. She is from Odisha. Anyway best of luck for your future.
I used to work 12 or 13 hrs in IT company too during 2015 to 2020, so many overnights stay at office to work... it was so norm for me that i didt even think it was a corparate/management abuse... i just suffered thinking it was my personal problems .. not able to meet the standards manager is asking...everyone else are doing too so it was normal office culture... finally its all getting out.. hope we can reform
I am EX EY and I agree with what she talked about. WLB is not followed for India. EY managers are toxic and busy doing internal politics and encourage biases.
I am in TCS and it is the worst of all. Upskill karne ke liye bhi employment break lena padega. TCS screws with your mental health, doesn't pay you as well and no job security.
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Me working remotely on a US startup, I can’t imagine working for an Indian company now after knowing the culture. Working 8 hours exact, getting very good salary(10x compared to India), no toxic politics,
How to get us based remote job???
Which domain you are in
I am in engineering domain.
@@debasishbiswas3809 how did u get ur remote job?? Where did u apply???
@@debasishbiswas3809 good it people have much option remotely finance people don't have that much
I worked in 5 countries and nothing is worse than working for Indian companies. EU laws are good and people treat work as a secondary thing not their whole life. It's even considered rude to call people on weekends for work related things. I can't imagine lasting even 1 week in Indian corporate now.
Dont work for big corporate.. Work for smaller companies and create competition for these giant Corporate. Dont help any organisation to create it's monopoly.
Certain pros and cons of doing so..
Thanks for sharing :))
@@aditya_shelar Still I quote it with lot of responsibility. We all can see the trend of crony capitilist dictating their own terms in our country. The cartel of burocracy and the industraliast is working like a mafia to disrupt the healthy ecosystem of workforce This step will be for a social cause and will come at a cost workforce have to pay.
ZS Associates is a very similar cancer
absolutely, very intelligent Suggestion - Yes - Wiser to work for smaller firm , Gain Critical experience also
Bro I have given interviews in startups as well 😊 they're more exploitative
Dude this is India…behind 1 job opportunity there are 5 people standing behind you due to population….even if you have toxic working culture no one is going to come forward and destroy their own careeer….only Govt can levy strict laws to tackle this…you n me even after raising voice for 100th time won’t make any change
Dear divesh in india there 1000s of candidate. Behind 1 job opportunity.
I give interview in feb 2024 , mid range mnc for sde 2 designation . And they offer me 40% less as compare to my previous salary. And after rejecting their offer in humble way possible. The hr and hiring manager shamelessly mock me while saying"tere jaise 1000 resume pade hai humare paas" then i disconnect call and blocked them.
Fast forward i got placed in a good startup of dubai in april 1st week, and work remotely from home, with 70% hike.
So yeah indian corporates are always toxic, they just want to milk employees at bare minimum cost.
Apni frustration nikal ke kya mila. Corporate majdoor.
Usko satisfaction Mila , lala marwadi @@takeiteasy4232
@@takeiteasy4232soch badi karo tum apni. Baaki tumhe sab jhel hi lenge.
@@princesharma2778sad part is we have the likes of Narayanan Murthy’s and Karnataka govt who feel ppl should work for minimum 14 hours daily and be physically present in office…while they shit it out with poor infrastructure and traffic woes
my ex manager gets all the ticks of the Toxic Checklist. My confidence level got so low that there were occasions when I cried on 1:1 meetings with him. I did 120%, no pats on the back, rather sarcastic gossips with a "work" political group of his own.
My physical and mental health deteriorated pathetically. I quit due to ill health, regained health in 6 months, joined another firm with a lower salary. I am extremely happier now. My manager is a non-Indian and I am amazed how a manager can be. I have only one experience of Indian manager and I must say it's just dog shit.
Sam sir did you get time apart from serving in Indian Army?
@@SuperDuper4Kids 😂😂😂😂
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I was in NewZealand for just 21 days in 2017 with 2 of my colleagues and we literally understood what is a balanced work life! And how people party at work on Fridays. You would never feel to leave that job even though you get lakhs of INR. It is true that money can't buy happiness. Real happiness is there when you are not bringing your office's frustration at home!
I worked in Deloitte,, hell place..
Now working in Meta.. much more Hell. Nobody helps.
Everyone thinks why to waste my time. dont want to spend any time helping another
That is unfortunate, I hope you are coping up! :))
Helping other not another 😂
@@N7_YES 😁😁🤣 my brain
That's strange. Some of my colleagues in Deloitte are super chilling in tech roles.
In MNCs case, Amazon has a great experience for me.
I guess it is mainly differing in the context of the type of work stream, country and Manager.
@@N7_YES yeah dimvit, you are smart!
Been an employee of EY , I can totally relate with the lack of recognition and employee perks especially no gifts in festivals like Diwali ,Later when I discussed the reason with someone from Finance dept he said budget allocate hota hai but upar wale(PPEDs/SMs)hi saara use kar lete hai, even no holiday if you are tagged on important client project
Very toxic work culture had to leave in 1.5 yrs
I had to leave Deloitte without having job in hand. Stress caused major gynac issue, skipping meals even both meals, working till 3 am and even on weekend along. My mgr who was workoholic faced miscarriage twice in year because of stress.
Speechless 💔
@@aditya_shelarKeep Exploring multiple offers and keep Switching companies to grow your financial portfolio.
Fuck MNC’s or Consulting firms work culture
Alcoholic manager in delloite or unicorn??
Pakka kha kha ke bhais ho gayo hogi manager.
@@zzaudeeanit is workaholic.. and she was good but faced issues because of extream stress
@@मृणू hm.. was she just showing that she was workaholic?? I've seen many playing this strategy.
We Indians just look for stability and most of us are from middle class or lower where we dont want to be unemployed. We need to look after our family and dats why we start accepting all these struggles even it becomes unbearable. I cant even imagine situation of freshers coz these corporates are mostly looking for experienced personnels.
The problem with big4 audit, assurance, tax practice is that it has a lot of lala Marwadis who promote toxic work culture. They have been brought up seeing their father exploit blue collared workers in their family business, they find this toxic behaviour normal and show the same behaviour in corporate. We don’t find toxic culture in technology wing of the same organisation due to less representation from that community.
although i am not a marwadi, i must say that we should refrain from any such stereotypes. good people and bad people exist everywhere in all communities around the globe. Wishing you a happy work life balance!
@@1.amitnanand he is right actually, most of the marwadis are too money oriented and go to any level for their profits.
@@1.amitnanand But he is right marwadis and baniyas are like that, they are used to abuse their workers in business, in India they do it but outside India they come in line 😂😂😂
What about compliance security field? There also same work pressure environment? Please tell me am getting offers as a GRC ANALYST
Iam marwadi but hate late seating work
I was a CA student, in 2009 while I was attending the classes in Pune we have students in class who joined one of Big 4, I don't remember the name, as an Article Assistant, one such student was always sleeping in the class, and we used to make fun of him😢.
Now I understood why he was ao tired and sleepy in the class after the latest incidents are unfolding.
When I was doing artcleship, there was this guy who joined Big4 post passing CA. He left after 1.5 years with a argument on his health, before leaving he exposed all of his manager and all related people and said if you will die these people wont have time to even think you were working for them.
After 8 years the similar situation is talked the same way as that had the same point, but at that time he was targeted by everyone stating everyone does like this and people tried label him as he is not fit for CA profession.
Even if he was junior to me, I considered him as he is perfect for the profession, but ICAI and audit firms make feel him and similar kind of guys as it is not enough.
Working at site L&T Construction, same scenario is there..no weekend off .... Sundays duty....70+ hrs week... No OT or compensation for overtime ... Trying my best to quit
More power to you Rishi! Take care…
Left 2yrs ago due to the same problem at L&T…worked for Mumbai coastal road project & MAHSR bullet train project Vadodra Gujarat….daily overtime and 24hrs,36-48hrs of shift was normal without shift change..no weekends off
@@aftab_traveltube looks like slavery
Life in core industry sector is even more worse with no increment.😢
There is toxic work culture , specifically within India. But the Indian who adaptated here in USA, they are pretty chill and cool. Only indian seniors and manager who currently controls from india is toxic as per my experience.
She: I resigned without any offers, it was a bold move
Reality: forced resignation or get fired
That is what happens in India, the employees dont even get any time or chance to breathe - how do you think they will get any chance to look for any offer? the notice period from company is anywhere between 3 months to 45 days , but they want joiners immediately or within 14 days?!!
Let's call it parental support. ...
That’s not always true.. I have always resigned without a job offer in hand. It depends on how you manage your contingency fund and your confidence levels in your skills.
@@sowjanyap5827True. Would like to chat further on this.
Right @@sowjanyap5827
At Wipro, they used to make us work overtime but never paid for the overtime I was worked for...
Quite unfortunate!
I also worked in Wipro and they dont care. I used to work 14 hours a day and my manager used to chill. The culture is pretty bad there for mostly support departments.
Very nice interview. I am currently working at a startup company and the culture is quite good and senior management always listens you. The good thing in small companies is that the senior management is approachable easily.
What is the solution for this..?
Should do a case study on this topic. How we can make the management fix this bugs, which is called work pressure / over work?
Work life balance is a fancy title for the corporates.
Nice interview... I am currently serving my notice period at Deloitte Hyd now and can relate a lot with the conversation. Thanks so much for highlighting these
Glad it was helpful! :))
How did you find a better package and how did you prepare?
@@karmathefirst1945 only I can tell how tough it was. Working tirelessly and finding time for interviews during working hours. You have to be very confident in your domain and prepare during non working hours for interviews. Update your technical skillsets to be industry ready. Thats mostly all.
@@janmejayamishra9308 I am stuck in a low code no code project..... the job openings for that is very low. I am preparing dsa and cs fundamentals on my free time and made 2 MERN stack projects(personal). can you give me any tips? if possible can we connect somewhere else like LinkedIn etc?
Same , just served my last month in deloitte Hyderabad.. I can also relate so much..
Thanks aditya for sharing real truth and genuine experiences about these firms. This is the reality of rhis country because there is no strict labour laws and rules from government side for controlling the major employer who are doing much exploitation with employees. Need to open the eyes of this ruling indian government for paying the attention of employees health and well being thise are working in so called corporates.
It's similar in private banks also..Indian management is the main reason for this
I also used to work in private bank was totally burnt out of toxic work culture,i resigned without a job in hand currently without any job ☹️
@@rupanshipandey8668which bank???
Cheep labour + Harrassment + Overloaded work= Employee in a company. This formula is used in company in India
I am working with Amazon although there are daily challenges that an employee could have but the work culture is the best.
Revealed the truth..👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Know your ability and do the work and never compare yourself with anyone... You are unique and your ability and capabilities are unique.
Don't run behind the Office Party and Promotion recommendation... In corporate most of your colleagues are just jealous... Trust!
बहन, अपनी आदतें और इच्छाएं कम करो आप लंबा जिओगे,
नहीं तो पूरी जिंदगी गुलामी में ही जाएगी।
🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Work for a smaller companies, if not big
But work with passion and work hard
Any Idea how toxic smaller ones are. Don't give some suggestions, India doesn't have it. Work with passion without sleeping, eating, etc so the CEO can spend on useless expenses.
Actually before applying, it's better to know about the company.. It's difficult but possible..
thanks for hosting such open, candid discussions and sharing these details. one suggestion: for larger audience & reach, is it possible to add English subtitle or make podcast in English?
Planning some content in English soon, will update, thanks for the feedback.
Fantastic podcast. Very informative & eye opening one.
I come from humble background If I don't have option then how to work in toxic environment or if i leave what should I do?
Sis/Bro simultaneously prepare for gov exam or work on yourself, master yourself in one skill and get out of toxic work place. Work more on yourself than ur job
+1 👍
@@aditya_shelar?
Accounts auditing field is soooo boring for me. How they do job for 13 hrs...🤯
Kya bakwaas suggestion diya tumne , tumko pata bhi hai kya kitna Competetion hai Gov Job mein, Have mein khuvh bhi may bolo @@Sanahfatima1
I resigned to Deloitte with out an offer in hand too I felt like I was forced to resign due to horrible work culture , but I felt pretty happy and relieved on that minute when I resigned . The work culture they have is horrible , they ask to work even if you are sick or bed ridden too, They ask you to work for 16 hours , 18 hours too , not just 1 or 2 days but even for an extent of 6 months ,which they restrict to enter enter into time sheets . but to make sure to be compliant ,they ask you to enter some extra hours into timesheet for few days keeping compliance issues in mind. Managers expect to be their puppets.
After listening the whole podcast, i understood that, Own Small Business is much more better than working in such big companies.
If we have to work that much of the hours for the big companies, then why not work that much of hours for our own business....
Employees must understand their rights under Indian labor laws and ensure their company complies with them. No employee can be forced to work beyond legal limits or compromise their health and well-being due to management pressure. Keep written records of any promises, such as promotions, and avoid being manipulated into unpaid overtime or unreasonable demands.
Your salary is a rightful entitlement regardless of management’s subjective expectations. Familiarize yourself with laws like the Factories Act and Shops and Establishments Act to protect yourself. Every worker deserves a respectful and fair work environment, and understanding your rights is the first step to standing against injustice.
Was really good podcast could relate to most things. Hope you keep bringing more cheers
All the private employees of India should call a strike because i also left a job because of toxicity and I was advised to not tell anybody about this you will not be hired by any company because all are connected to each other what should be done why should it be tolerated
Even Accenture does the same, after working for standard 5 days, leads will approach for additional support on weekends and when I demanded for the double pay they told me that management haven't notified them regarding the double pay but need to work for 6 days in a week. Later I have raised this concern and it's still going on 😂😂😂 and I am currently working six days in a week
Great prodcast...real people real experience..pls make more videos like this to spread awareness inside india 🇮🇳
Looking forward to getting on podcast with you give out more info and knowledge as to how not only the big 4 but big 6 work along with their anomalies and how the corporate functions. In anticipation of your reachout
Thanks for this genuine discussion.
Mr Aditya it’s too much politics everywhere at work even abroad don’t think abroad ur bosses don’t push u or don’t give u stress it’s same everywhere
End of the day company and management will only win and not employee, so quit if you are an employee but don't fight in company, because employee will not get any benefit of it.
Bahut badhiya. Thanks for making video😊
Talk about main points that How some management people exploits employees, new joinees
How HR is insufficient to satisfy it's employees. How few fast learners purposely suck managers & increase the targets for everyone
Loved the podcast. The toxic work culture should be reversed and any BIG anything should be sued if even a single employee dies from work pressure.
Working hours over means work is over for the day.
I have worked for 2-3 companies and never seen a toxic culture at all. All of my managers and ex-managers are still in contact with me.
Wow this one eye opening, I was searching this kind of advice in lockdown, now I have left job. It's been one year. I am scared of going back to work.
Honestly. People are at different level. I dont know who fed this hustle thing in thier head, and they are ready to work for 14 hours. People during interview only, even small companies ask to work for 13-14 hrs, saying thats normal in india. So please stop only focussing Big4, but focus on the entire corporate. Some give excuse saying the client is from us, uk. So why dont you work in their shift only? Or is the the employee is incompetent, which is a thing I have seen myself while being abroad, when people reach out to me to teach them. The question is how do they even get hired?
WHy dont you all unite to raise your voice ?
Ey employee here, just one statement- your company is as good as your manager, ey sucks at professionalism and politeness, if i write words thats been used by managers here u might never see EY same way again :) EY? Rather work for call centers you might find better working culture there
Why don't you write? What are you afraid of? It's not even your real name or dp 😂😂
@ u are funny mate
This is definitely wrong to state that Deloitte pays 20-25% . It might be possible only in fresher start but after one goes to consultant level , the hike is lesser. The wellness was only in Covid and then it stopped
IT is an extremely harsh and ruthless industry and you will suffer endlessly in this industry. There is no work-life balance in any organisation, all are the same.
When govt. ensures we pay taxes, they should ensure we get work life balance as well. Govt. should ensure no employee is made to overwork.
Labour law, CSR, business ethics, Sustainability, work life balance, looks like Unicorn to me now. Ye sab sirf padhne padhane ke liye.
Irrespective of the industry, everyone is overworked and underpaid. There is neither job security, you can go jobless overnight even if you have work for 10 or 20 years. What are we getting
It's good that people are talking about it.
Labour court should intervene. We need solution to this not another Anna Sebastian.
In the professional services industry, work-life balance is seriously compromised. It is a by-product of the corporate policies set by the management. Only good managers can be anyone's solace..
Yes, and it is extremely rare nowadays to find good managers.
@aditya_shelar, because Managers are also shaped by the same system. Their professional and personal ethos overlap. What they have experienced is what they pass on below..
360digree feedback should be there in every company.
Employees are not united. If all would be united then management will have to change their duty culture.
In India, every employee wants to be closer to management and wants to show he is different than others so that he can get promotion.
Work life balance can be managed by the company if employees start maintaining their duty hours. Stop overtime if you are not paid properly.
Accountability sheet is the best idea for any employee. Family is much more important than your employer.
I left Deloitte 3 month ago, I was working hard there but in return I get stress and hypertension for free . No reward no recognition
I have worked in Deutsche bank here in US and there were worst things going on. Unfortunately my manager was bad Indian Manager still with the same company and he asked me literally in US am I ready to smoke with him. I left the project
Thank you that Dalal Narayan Murty selling out his people needs to be called out too
Yes toxic Manager can ruin a lot of things... especially no peace of mind. They don't know much & not willing to learn or understand instead they get completely insecured and try to put unnecessary pressure & assign non value add work to satisfy their ego...I'm happy I left that Team & moved to a different Team. I get to learn new things, voice out my opinions or inputs & mostly importantly my Manager encourages proper work life balance ...
Why goi not bringing any strict laws regarding corporates???
From past 2 months I'm working on almost 14 hours day 😢
I hope you are recovering well :))
Your manager watching this video 😂
@@shabbirahmedshabal6452 surprisingly my Manager and Supervisor also have same openion 😌
@shabbirahmedshabal6452 so??
2 of my friends works in Deloitte and whatever she told is 💯 percent true
In CBI we get 20% extra salary every month and 1 month extra salary in January every year.
That’s great! :))
How can I get employed in CBI???
U mean central bank of India?
@@InvincibleMan99 central bureau of investigation
How did you get there?
I'm working at wipro and the situation here is same . Wipro internal projects are a living hell where as wipro vendor projects for Australian clients are blessing ❤they provide more leaves and better balance than wipro does for wipro employees 😂
Being a mechanical engineer, overtime and workload yeh kya hota be?.... Boss ne bola that's it.
Nothing to be proud of. It's a problem that needs to be fixed at societal level
I have joined retail in reliance and the work culture is just horrible even if you are sick you have to take pill and do work . Work politics is just sucks . Today only I have resigned now I am happy.
Thank u for very enlightening & cool discussion 😎 👌.
Not only big 4s....In Accenture, my manager say that we can call you at anytime 24 hrs and you have to work .. no OT, no other motivation ..nothing .. and when someone says I can't, they are on management's hitlist 😂 abd reality is it's not company, its the management..I worked with some wonderful leaders in same company itself
In cognizant i am still filling client timesheet of 9 hrs and cognizant timesheet 10 hours and i see client themselves fill their timesheet for 8 hours
So where did you get your dark circles around your eyes ? While for the corporates or while setting up this podcast channel ?
After your working hours complete then
Ek hi call sunai aana chaiye - dial number is not reachable.
Next day email ayega 😂
@@Proud_banda ghanta.
If you know business rules then you will not worry.
Always remember after working hours this is not employee's business to provide support.
And one more thing
No body have right to mock someone except org owner.
And if organization not follow basic standard then you will suffer with toxic work place culture
And suddenly people resign from the job no matter what amount of salary they have.
@@Proud_banda ghanta.
If you know business rules then you will not worry.
Always remember after working hours this is not employee's business to provide support.
And one more thing
No body have right to mock someone except org owner.
And if organization not follow basic standard then you will suffer with toxic work place culture
And suddenly people resign from the job no matter what amount of salary they have.
@@vikastiwari6780 Bhai employees ke koi rights nhi hote 🥲
Direct fire nhi karenge but eventually force karenge resign karne ko.
Tumhe lagta hoga tumne resign kar diya lekin aisa nhi hota tumse karawaya hota hai.
Experience aa jayega don't worry fir mat bolna warn nhi kiya
@@Proud_banda me kafi clear hu, mere standard he me us level ke niche kaam nhi karta.
That's reason samne wale se pehle hi interview me clear kar lo.
Nahi to bad me gadhe ke jesa jb bole tb login lelo.
Me personally janta hu kuch logo ko weekend me after login hours apni marwate rehte he critical issue chal rha he ke nam pr.
Wondering who is the host of this video
We followed a unique way of keeping it as a balanced conversation, hope you liked it! :))
Host is speaking more than guest😂😂
Million dillar quote, "India is having management problems like Narayan, Bhavesh Agarwal, etc."
In all the MNC same toxic culture is there be it IT,Pharma MNC, life sciences and most of the managers were from UP Bihar Gurjat jo pofit show krne ke liye 5 bando ka kaam 1 se krwaye hn, overtime ka kuch nahi milta
Guys im working as a senior associate in one consultantinh in pwc india and jan 2025 where ill complete my 3 years. Now im not sure whether ill get a promotion to manage or not because im good with technical stuff but not that great when it comes to managemental stuff. I want to continue as a technical manager rather then a people's manager. Can anyone give some suggestions what are the changes one should expect after becoming a manager in big 4 from a technology consulting background?
Thank you so much for this podcast!
My client was EY..I was working on an Audit project..In 2.5 years I never thought I had work pressure etc..I think it depends on an individual and profile..BTW i am a Software Engineer
Yes, I completely agree!
Yes, it depends on project or client you are working with..should not be generalized
Forget about the big 4, product based companies are no saint. I think source of the issue are Indian managers. Successfully I had got another company and am on notice period, hoping I ll not get a good manager this time.
कितने ही ऑफिस दुकान कई जगह काम कर कर के छोड़ दिया जैसे ही बोलते हैं कि भाई ऐसा नहीं चलेगा वैसा नहीं चलेगा 😮नेक्स्ट मंथ ही सैलरी लेकर टाटा बाय बाय कभी ज्यादा टेंशन नहीं लेना हफ्ते में एक बार मौज मारने जाना सिनेमा पार्क लॉन्ग ड्राइव 🤪 अब अपना खुद का ही कुछ शुरू कर लिया बिजनेस 🙌👍🙏
Sir I want to add something
Some butter type employees are working more than working hours than our managers are asking to us that if these people can work than why you not
Credit Suisse for majority of parts had great work culture.
I have seen people working with the bank for more than 20-30 years
Supporting the point at 14:00
A friend of mine from KPMG was paid 15k/m with 3 years experience in the company training someone placed from Symbiosis with 12 LPA for same work
One thing I want to ask here, is the extreme burden of work in the Big 4 only for consultancy roles? Or for the Tech roles as well? If I join as an Automation QA, suppose in Deloitte, should I expect the same work culture as consultancy? (some of my friends are in Deloitte/PWC in Consultancy roles so got some idea about the work pressure)
It's for all the roles...generally if ur Client is good and ur Manager is good then it's good ...otherwise the toxic work culture is not limited to any roles
What are you doing currently aditya ji. Aur are you able to earn what you used to earn un job
I am doing well, joined teaching profession now, thank you for asking, highly appreciated! :))
Over Population -> Over Competition -> Easily Dispensable -> Lower Quality of Life
Overpopulation is the source of all problems in India 😂
Absolutely bro
hello sir thank you for sharing your experience i learned a lot from this video. and could you please let me know where i can find more information about your company ?
We need to fight to make the work culture the same at all places... Why is it that in India the same company treats us like a donkey .
Even the indian banking system is on the same page ..have a podcast with someone from the bank officerd .the workculture day by day in banks is getting worse..The PUblic sectors banks are also leading the race of torturing employess in the names of worklife balance ..
address the causes not the effects
Feedback noted, thanks :))
Everyone is talking about work pressure and long hours but no one talked about the forceful resignation done by these Big4s over last 6 months. It’s like chewing gum and then throwing it away after absorbing all its taste making it worthless. Would like to advice young folks who wants to work in these kind of so called corporate culture to look for some good work place with good work environment. They know that if one will leave 100 will step up to fill its place just because of the brand image.
And because of unemployment
how much is the layoffs and resignation this year?
Insightful ❤
To...Mba karna chahiye ya nahi?
I understand the toxic work culture in big MNCs in India. I also understand she is not Anjali. She is from Odisha. Anyway best of luck for your future.
I used to work 12 or 13 hrs in IT company too during 2015 to 2020, so many overnights stay at office to work... it was so norm for me that i didt even think it was a corparate/management abuse... i just suffered thinking it was my personal problems .. not able to meet the standards manager is asking...everyone else are doing too so it was normal office culture... finally its all getting out.. hope we can reform
Are u still in IT
@sanjaykumar6599 yeah... today too just now clocked 14 hrs... that's how life is now
@vinays77777 bro work culture in every field in india is toxic dude do they pay you overtime
I think these tremendous work pressure is only in accounts or other non software domain?
Good and bad management or culture is evident across all industries, even in non software domain.
I am EX EY and I agree with what she talked about. WLB is not followed for India. EY managers are toxic and busy doing internal politics and encourage biases.
A ca inter doing student is consider as student for fee structure in cma us? or we have to go with fee structure of professional
You have to go ahead with the professional category. (Only degree or post-graduation students are eligible under student category)
Hearing all this I am glad I am in BPO industry, they don't pay that much but atleast the work life is better than other industries
Bhai tu interview le raha hai ke de raha hai ...
It's a balanced conversation, felt like adding my perspective to the discussion as well, hope you liked it! :))
@@aditya_shelarit's okay dude. Live and learn. Give yourself permission to make mistakes. Just don't consciously repeat those.
I am in TCS and it is the worst of all. Upskill karne ke liye bhi employment break lena padega. TCS screws with your mental health, doesn't pay you as well and no job security.