They r very innocent..they don't know ki sab mile hote h and they laugh about it in their secret meeting...and they will not let u perform by palying mind game and these kind of things done if any one is south indian either manager,senior manager or head they have to do harass,mentally torture their employee to satisfy their ego n frustration
The only way to caught the m live is to contact that employee who is on their target stay in touch see how they r torturing that person or call to all the employee who have been fired,terminated n ask them what happened to them
Yeah someone is really bringing such issues in India.. Hope we follow European work cultures for which our Indians r going there for better work life balance..
People are speaking out now..good..hats off to the new generation...but my generation suffered, I faced this in my company way back in 2010-2012..am an accounting professional too...I still get the nightmares today too...the work culture was not just toxic, it was just hooliganism.
Dekh raha hai vinod !! Pahle inko isss organisations mai janne ke liye marani hai !!!! Aur phir inko Raja raniyo ki tarah treatment chaiye waha ,ca intermediate nilkar in expectation bahut badh jaati hai ;! Kaam na kare sirf gude gudiya ki tarah treatment kare !! Band karo apna b***g b****a kaam karna hai to karo warna niklo !! Hamare big4 mai hazaro line mai khade hai ,job lene ke liye !!!!
@@samirbhalerao5579Dekh raha hai vinod !! Pahle inko isss organisations mai janne ke liye marani hai !!!! Aur phir inko Raja raniyo ki tarah treatment chaiye waha ,ca intermediate nilkar in expectation bahut badh jaati hai ;! Kaam na kare sirf gude gudiya ki tarah treatment kare !! Band karo apna b***g b****a kaam karna hai to karo warna niklo !! Hamare big4 mai hazaro line mai khade hai ,job lene ke liye !!!!
To give you some examples...You can't show you are happy. If they see you are happy, then more work is given to you...a feeling that only if an employee visibly suffers then those employees are highlighted/rewarded...employees who say "no" get targeted...its like they suck your soul out of you...when I put down my papers, my boss threatened I couldn't take even 1 day leave and if I take 1 day off, he will add it to my notice period...but later I went through company policy and found out an employee is entitled to 2 days sick leave per month during notice period...to be honest, if workload is more, it's OK with me, I can work but toxicity, hooliganism, harassment, unnecessary rudeness..etc is something too much...Workplace is where there should be encouragement, positive vibes, friendship, valuing opinins etc...I am glad that Gen Z is taking this up aggressively and fighting this.
Had a traumatic experience at EY in 2014. EY IT consulting. It was a nightmare. I’m glad the toxicity of this place is in limelight now. Talk about Karma
@@tanishqsachdeva4260bhai maximum 1 month notice period should be the norm. They dont hire anyone with 90 days notice period yet they have the same 90NP in their own company
Must Read story of EY: My friend, who’s like a brother to me, got hired at EY in 2022 but quit after 6 months. The job was completely different from the JD he applied for, and the office politics were beyond toxic. He was stuck charging two codes-one of which was purely for show, and the other had the most ridiculous politics he's ever seen in his 10+ years of experience. Turns out, he was made to do the work of a woman from another team who was actually his boss's wife! His boss assigned her all his work so she could relax, while my friend was stuck picking up the slack. This whole experience crushed him mentally-his work-life balance disappeared, and it drove him into a deep, depressive rut. His life became hell. The worst corporate backdoor move I’ve ever heard of. EY really outdid themselves with this one.
Hats off to Kunal and Aashi for being vocal about it on social media & being able to deal with these extreme toxic situations. It’s an eye opener for everyone to not keep suffering and raise voice against it and leave such toxic culture/place. Ultimately, there are bad and good people everywhere so there is nothing really an employee can do about it except leaving. One should identify the red flag initially as soon as it first happens and rebel so that his/her suffering can’t be taken for granted by any senior employee. Senior people thinks that they have done it in past so it is normalised.
These types of podcasts are much needed for the people who are at the beginning of their journey in the big organization. They aren't aware about these blame game and favoritism. Thanks once again hoping to see more podcasts like this .
Foreigners have understood this..that night shift karna nahi hain..we Indians are destroying our sleeping cycle for USA..if there is financial problem nahi hain toh then no need to do night shift... Saturday and Sunday kaab chala jayega pata bhi nahi chalega..then your food,sleep, digestion and body hormones will imbalance..
Toxic managers are the problem yes. but organisations and HR departments that allow toxic managers to grow and protect them are more toxic. that is the biggest problem. Why don't employees feel safe to speak up? because organisation processes and practices - what materializes on the ground is toxic.
@@samirbhalerao5579So you are saying it’s an Impossible Situation! Toxic Work Culture has been existing in every Institution for past 70 years only techniques to torment employees have changed!
@@indrasubramaniam9579 we are the only ones to really save ourselves. Other sources like HR or expecting management to be employees oriented or expect good for employees from ministry of labour is like a dream.
We should see other side of story too as everybody is victim in his her story and people have zero accountability nowadays and 99 percent of fake Mee too movement cases..🎉 and present generations is has become lazy and highly sensitive and always look for easy work culture with high payout 🎉
Wonderful Kushal. I became a victim of burnout in 2014 due to massive work load because I was handling various tasks with very limited manpower under me whereas person who was replaced in my place had good number of people under him. Not only the work culture is toxic; even the immediate incharge or the boss was also toxic. These toxic and ill planned work culture takes massive toll on health.
Powerful enough! We all deserve a harassment free workplace. Let’s keep the conversation going! The way the guy in the blue tee shirt shared his experiences showed he’s been through a lot. It takes real courage to speak out, and it’s inspiring to see them take a stand, everyone else can too!
She didn't commit suicide. She suffered a cardiac arrest. It's not doubt it was because of the intense work Pressure that was imposed on her unnecessarily by her seniors but she didn't commit suicide.
We should see other side of story too as everybody is victim in his her story and people have zero accountability nowadays and 99 percent of fake Mee too movement cases..🎉 and present generations is has become lazy and highly sensitive and always look for easy work culture with high payout 🎉
@@factsunloaded4808 she was working for almost 16-18 hours a day, do you still think that she was lazy. Do you think a culture where working for 18 hours a day is normal and that kind of culture should be accepted as a norm in society. Person has died buddy, what kind of excuse are you looking for her death. And also if there was other side to the story then managers at EY should have released that story in there statement, but they literally ignored the fact that someone has died because of there toxic culture.
I left for America after graduating from college in India, and worked as the only minority immigrant (thanks to being in a non IT field). I'm truly blessed have so much autonomy and respect(at least in my case). The responsibilities are many. There are deadlines and expectations. People work hard. But I have never had to wait for my boss to leave before leaving myself. I never had to explain 'why' I needed to take off . My bosses (all of them Americans) have always been fair, even handed - and never asked me to do something they couldn't do themselves. They encourage different opinions- and I can be open and frank. Even 2 decades later- my work life is challenging but going to work still feels nice and fun. And my time off is sacred- not once do I get a phone call off work. I fully empathize with the situation faced by these young and brilliant people in the Indian corporate world. A toxic atmosphere at work, and workplace bullying needs to be fought. It can happen anywhere, in any country- but seems much worse in Asia
Mysore Wipro backup team Sumanth panda was killed in same way due to harrassment by santhosh s k. But killer santhosh who was responsible for harassment in the name of job security is still roaming around freely and death of sumanth was hidden from everyone
when should one stop tolerating? -when on a daily basis when u wake up and ur mind tells I dont wanna go back to the same place and face that person/behavior etc , exactly this is the time when you should take a decision
CA firms have toxic work cultures, and ICAI should put out some laws regarding that. We pay them membership fees every year still, at least we deserve protection.
जहां भी वोटिंग द्वारा लीडर्स चुने जाएंगे तो लोग सिर्फ अपने स्वार्थ पूरे करने के लिए ही वोट देंगे, CA खुद चाहते हैं कि उनको मजदूर मिलें अपनी firms के लिए तो वो laws क्यों ही बनायेंगे बच्चों के favour में
ICAI only encourages this culture....they pay interns 6000-8000 for 3 years to work for 14-16 hours...this is the root cause this is where the problem starts
Thank you Kushal for bringing such a podcast. It is an eye opening for a person like me who is an aspiring chartered accountant and dreamt to work in such companies. But after seeing such horrible conditions of employees it really forced me to change my opinion and what corporate culture is all about.Once again thank you for showing realty checks.
Its great to see many professional coming out in open to protest against the toxic culture. If Anna was not the only victim...that means there were many who were victims and had to die or commit suicide?? We need to get those names too.
Why this is common I think as man u dont find this disturbing but as girl its traumatising work in such company where harassment considered normal n along with that work pressure @@abhisekmishra4669this should not be absolutely normal n if u as man see such thing instead protecting such pervert take action against them tarnish whole company if they take action against u for confronting such issue n give u threat
If all past employees of EY will gather their issues and Evidence then a lawyer can help all of them and all can actually take any legal action against this organization
🔺PIP🔺is a glorified way of saying You Are Fired. It is the most favourite tool of managers to abuse & used as a formal way of taking revenge in corporate world. I have seen best of the best talents in PIP just because they were leaving one team to join other, & first team was forced by HR to provide names of under-performers to fit in bell curve. so naturally the person who is leaving the team gets to be the Chosen One. Sadly this practice has been there for decades in top tier companies. If ur ever in Pip, just change ur job immediately.
It’s really appreciable when people actually talk about this and come forward for a change .i always wondered during my articleship when my colleagues try to normalise toxic work culture in the name of exposure !! and relieving by comparing with other firms where it’s even more hard to deal with .why does being a ca or article gives them implied thought that they are supposed to be stress during the entire career ..wake up!!!it’s not exposure that’s a exploitation of you ..nobody cares for your health
I have worked for major IT companies in India and it is true that large number of bosses in india are arrogant and employee friendly policies are only there on paper and for the outside world. Employees are not less than slaves for these big companies.
@@smgs4170 in that case why labour ministry people went to EY company office in Pune over Anna's case on 25th September 24? Labour ministry is involved.
Only these people have excuses and problems while majority of them are able to do their work...We should see other side of story too as everybody is victim in his her story and people have zero accountability nowadays and 99 percent of fake Mee too movement cases..🎉 and present generations is has become lazy and highly sensitive and always look for easy work culture with high payout 🎉
This happens in all organization involving chartered accountants. Other domain people have been so fun working with, be it sales guys, or legal guys. MBAs or even engineers. The problems is with the chartered accountants, especially Indian CAs. Sab log sadist.
Torture is happening even in small girls guys. During the initial days of my articleship, i had broken the wrist of my right hand and it was awfully painful. I asked for a leave and the CA boss/manager/in-charge told me " Pain killer leke aja" . Then there was one instance she told in front of everyone in a raised tone"tere baal bohot acche hai na tereko takla kar dungi" One CA in-charge had harassed me to find meaning of depreciation, obviously i already knew but he didn't listen to me, wanted me to search internet for it. Compared me and a person who had already completed their 3 year articleship. And many things, all of this comes at the cost of your own self confidence when you are a 19 or 20 year old.
Sometimes I feel like why we entered this profession, It's getting more & more difficult as we are moving forward. And when we see in Hand salary it's really demotivating😌.
@@AkshayBurman2799 You guys have no confidence in your own abilities. You are equipped with skills that only a few percentage of the population possess. Yet you cannot garner the wisdom to find some other place to work or start something of your own. Maybe the salary might be in lakhs , but what good is it if you are not able to live and go to bed peacefully?
Only some people have problems..We should see other side of story too as everybody is victim in his her story and people have zero accountability nowadays and 99 percent of fake Mee too movement cases..🎉 and present generations is has become lazy and highly sensitive and always look for easy work culture with high payout 🎉
The issue in Audit domain in India is that the teams are deliberately kept understaffed to extract more and more profits. I worked in KPMG for 4 years and my experience was the same.
Hey everybody i literally thought am the only one who went through the trauma of a toxic workplace it literally got to a point where my health got really fucked up… no matter how much I worked I never got the recognition I deserved all I got was betrayal and shaming in my office for not being productive enough…corporate has given me so much trauma that I do not even want to work ever again.. am literally so scared of it… lucky are those ppl who wake up loving their job… I finally had to quit my job… mind you this was in one of the so called reputed companies of India.. highly appreciate Kushal for Picking this topic for today’s podcast…big RUclipsrs rarely speak about this even though it was its a very critical topic
On a human level and spiritual level we have to consciously ensure that we do not harass our juniors because karma will not leave you trust me , you are spoiling your saturn which is related to labour and mass works who work below you , so be careful before mis treating someone who is working for you , it will come to bite you very bad in life.
HR in India often feels like the most spineless piece here. While managers can be harsh and lack empathy, you’d expect HR to step up and provide support. Instead, HR often acts like “Inhuman Resources,” doing little more than following orders. They don’t use their own judgment or stand up for employees; instead, they merely echo whatever the managers dictate. It’s disheartening to see such a crucial part of the corporate structure reduced to mere followers without any backbone.
I agree absolutely that such behaviours are team and manager specific....there is a popular saying in corporate "PEOPLE QUIT MANAGERS, NOT THE COMPANY"
Mysore wipro backup team santhosh s k is saddist of all. He enjoys suffering of other. When wife of other person is pregnant he creates fake document that person of not working and make sure he gets the lowest rating so that person is thrown out of company with so much of insulting .
@@tejas_shuklaaa no it is the gateway to become a finance professional. these rankholders have spent their articleships in big firms and then later on consulting or PE or investment banks and then they become influencers mostly.
Bhai kushal i dont want to spread hate against you but people like you have glorified Big4s a lot and you guys actually admired their toxic pressure work atmosphere instead of criticising it. Good that now you're speaking up.
Thank you for the podcast .Both the guests are speaking from their hearts.I have worked both in India and abroad. So my conclusions is Abroad : Skill + Hardwork =Success and growth HERE : Skill
It's good to bring people to hear the confessions(I respect you) . But kushal you need to be firm in your views about work culture. In a podcast with aman dhattarwal you were glorifying working for more than 70 hrs. I know you are a content creator, but I felt you're a hypocrite. No hate kushal, was just disappointed. I know you get scripts and being a content creator you have to just act upon it
working on something that interests you is a different thing. being made to work forcefully by someone is a different thing. Kushal has himself been in case 2 and openly shared that he considers this wrong.
uska kahne ka matlab hai agar tumhe koi multimillionaire ban na hai tab 14 15 ghante kaam karna padega otherwise tumhe normal life chaiye phir ache se life enjoykaro
My learnings from my 10+ years of experience in IT- 1. Company is not our home. All slogans related to "company is your home" are bullshits. 2. Work for money not for making relations. 3. Be there until you are happy and learning something new daily. 4. Whenever you feel not happy with your colleague or work and if it is not for short term....LEAVE. 5. Try to be nice with everyone until person in front of you is also nice.
I also had a very traumatising experience with one of the Big 4 and that to in there Global practice . Luckily I fought against them and resigned after proving myself. But i wish we could speak more confidently about these incidents.
this is not only in ca faternity this issue is of entire indian corporate and job system 😢 The only reason that ca anna issue came in limelight is because this kind of news in ca faternity is though maybe common but errupts once in a blue moon whereas on an average entire employee chain is under high stress due to unorganised and harsh indain corporate jobs
India has a population of young unemployed people who will be ready to work for any amount for this organization. It's not like Woke countries where highly skilled and educated people are leaving their toxic workplaces to work as baristas, servers, cashiers for a better work life balance.
@@everythingisawesome2903 who cares about security when your seniors harass you, and you wont have any option apart from leaving or bootlicking. This conversation would go over and beyond unless the typical mentality grows like other developed nations where people join jobs based on their skills sets not by the sake of govt or private.
I heard this somewhere an HR can never be your friend. They will do all the sweet-talk and try to make u speak about your work and manager. If you give them any Honest feedback they will escalate it to the upper management. So be very very careful when u speak to the HR.
I was just thinking the same when I came across this comment. In government sector, they have a culture of sitting late uselessly and worklessly, harassing people who try to work with a work-life balance and glorifying those who work on anything and anytime no questions asked.
Kushal please bring all sector Employee their is lot of harassment in private bank sector, Construction infrastructure industry,Manufacturing industry we need to fight against this toxic culture
There is a point we need to understand. There are good managers and bad managers as said in the video. We cant argue about that and its the manager’/ fault. But it becomes company’s fault when we report this to HR about this injustice, instead of taking action they keep quiet. This speaks about the company’s strong ethics in work culture. Issue to be addressed by company instead of keeping silent or blaming the victim.
Managers put pressure on employees. Directors put pressure on managers. CEO puts pressure on Directors. Shareholders put pressure on CEO. It's a cycle. Everyone is in pressure because shareholder wants more benefits and higher returns. Will you invest in a company which has less returns and market share? If No, you're part of the problem
@@bisckuttalks You can't say this about foreign with certainty. Bcoz- 1. Everything seems good on social media about foreign. Actual reality may be different. 2. Foreign company have attained that growth and have the trust/brand value that even the pressure is low, it won't impact it's revenues much. But that's not our case. That's why Indian companies makes us work harder.
After working in PwC for two years I stopped picking any calls from big4 HRs. Their work model is based on over utilisation of people to generate more profit. Managers are in some kind of race and their ears are open to people only above in the hierarchy. Business suit is mandatory, why ? People talk in fake english accents. Those same people start talking normally outside office. So many unethical practices going on which you are not comfortable to do but since your manager asks you have to. My manager used to casually ask in friday evening call 'ye kal tak kar ke de dena'. What 'kal tak' ? Saturday is off. List is countless. I had faced toxicity in other organisations too but in PwC it was on another level which made me ponder if I want to work for any organisation or not.
My brother worked here and never came home before 1:30-2:30 at night. Indian companies need to regulate their working hours and hire more people to manage the work load. This is what is causing youngsters to move abroad for better work life balance and better working conditions. Toxic bosses need to be penalised by Organizations
Common issues include high pressure to meet targets, resulting in long working hours and burnout. A lack of work-life balance is often exacerbated by the need to collaborate across different time zones. All MNCs have more or less the same stressful environment and toxic work culture.Work-life balance is often elusive in corporate culture, especially in high-pressure environments where productivity and deadlines take precedence.
Not only CA, I am a Btech graduate working as a Software Developer at one of the biggest MNC and we are made to work for 13/14 hrs daily.Also forcing us on weekends.If we say no,they will threaten us with PIP
The girl is saying so true. Same thing happened to me in pune and gurgaon where i worked for 3 years. The culture was crazy. They just exhausted me completely drained me mentally completely physically. They even caught me in COVID lockdowns in a room for 3 months. Same thing happened to me in Pune
Can totally relate. Even I had a manager sent me to remote location. The place I stayed was completely isolated and unsafe with no female workers around. It even didnt have heaters, wherein the temperature used to be around 1°c in the night. Horrible experience. I am glad things are coming out slowly.
Many many inconsistencies and hyperbole in this conversation. Of course no one denying the toxic and overwork culture in BIG 4 and TOP 3. 1. For the guy- Someone worked 3 years as article and 2 years post qualification couldn't understand toxic culture. By the way working 2 years in big 4 and moving to corporate is very standard practice, don't know why he is blaming toxic culture for his resignation! 2. Top 3 consulting companies hire CA for advisory and back office work. Like consultants you have to work hard without much advancements in career. I don't understand why a CA work for Mckinsey FP&A (Nightshift is clearly back office). Wrong choice! 3. Compensation off is definitely there, if you haven't got comp off then you have issues with manager. 4. Managers in investment bank, BIG 4 and Top 3 consulting are aggressive. People fall in line intentionally there to be part of their courtrie. Famous word in BCG...if you cant take the heat get out of house. 5. Tier 2 employee is very well known concept in Top 3. HR department clearly tells during induction. 6. How can someone go into PIP after probation. PIP can happen for an employee who has a confirmed job (meaning post probation). If some one is not able to manage probation period it means two things a. serious performance issues or camaraderie issues b. over hiring by firm (it happens some time). Many things just don't add up! Exaggerated views from two wrong samples, its actually offence to the girl/lady ; who actually passed away; wrong comparison.
this video needs to be sent to the CEO of EY. It's eye opening on what is wrong with the culture in the organisation.
it does not matter.. toxism from top. I was part of EY. the brand name due to they spend money on marketing.
They r very innocent..they don't know ki sab mile hote h and they laugh about it in their secret meeting...and they will not let u perform by palying mind game and these kind of things done if any one is south indian either manager,senior manager or head they have to do harass,mentally torture their employee to satisfy their ego n frustration
The only way to caught the m live is to contact that employee who is on their target stay in touch see how they r torturing that person or call to all the employee who have been fired,terminated n ask them what happened to them
See they know 100 of method to torture u
Just say to your toxic Manger that bhai bas office k bahar mil muje tu 😂😂😂
Kushal is fighting this battle for us on social media. Thanks Kushal.
His mum’s battle 😂
@@yash110496sahi kaha mumma boy hai !! Ye khama kha hi bada ho gya 😅😂😂😂
Kushal? Anna paid the ultimate price...
he was glorifying 70 hrs of work he did lol
Yeah someone is really bringing such issues in India.. Hope we follow European work cultures for which our Indians r going there for better work life balance..
People are speaking out now..good..hats off to the new generation...but my generation suffered, I faced this in my company way back in 2010-2012..am an accounting professional too...I still get the nightmares today too...the work culture was not just toxic, it was just hooliganism.
Very true. What you faced in accounting I faced similar in manufacturing.
Please share more details....what do they do ? Wht kind of hooliganism ?
Dekh raha hai vinod !! Pahle inko isss organisations mai janne ke liye marani hai !!!! Aur phir inko Raja raniyo ki tarah treatment chaiye waha ,ca intermediate nilkar in expectation bahut badh jaati hai ;! Kaam na kare sirf gude gudiya ki tarah treatment kare !! Band karo apna b***g b****a kaam karna hai to karo warna niklo !! Hamare big4 mai hazaro line mai khade hai ,job lene ke liye !!!!
@@samirbhalerao5579Dekh raha hai vinod !! Pahle inko isss organisations mai janne ke liye marani hai !!!! Aur phir inko Raja raniyo ki tarah treatment chaiye waha ,ca intermediate nilkar in expectation bahut badh jaati hai ;! Kaam na kare sirf gude gudiya ki tarah treatment kare !! Band karo apna b***g b****a kaam karna hai to karo warna niklo !! Hamare big4 mai hazaro line mai khade hai ,job lene ke liye !!!!
To give you some examples...You can't show you are happy. If they see you are happy, then more work is given to you...a feeling that only if an employee visibly suffers then those employees are highlighted/rewarded...employees who say "no" get targeted...its like they suck your soul out of you...when I put down my papers, my boss threatened I couldn't take even 1 day leave and if I take 1 day off, he will add it to my notice period...but later I went through company policy and found out an employee is entitled to 2 days sick leave per month during notice period...to be honest, if workload is more, it's OK with me, I can work but toxicity, hooliganism, harassment, unnecessary rudeness..etc is something too much...Workplace is where there should be encouragement, positive vibes, friendship, valuing opinins etc...I am glad that Gen Z is taking this up aggressively and fighting this.
Had a traumatic experience at EY in 2014. EY IT consulting. It was a nightmare. I’m glad the toxicity of this place is in limelight now. Talk about Karma
Good ..big 4 has lost its reputation..
3 month notice period should be criminalized for people below 1lac per month salary.
Then they will make 2 months 25 days notice period. 😂😂
@@vlexical jokes apart I don't think any notice period req should be more than 15 days below Mgr level.
@@tanishqsachdeva4260bhai maximum 1 month notice period should be the norm. They dont hire anyone with 90 days notice period yet they have the same 90NP in their own company
Must Read story of EY:
My friend, who’s like a brother to me, got hired at EY in 2022 but quit after 6 months. The job was completely different from the JD he applied for, and the office politics were beyond toxic.
He was stuck charging two codes-one of which was purely for show, and the other had the most ridiculous politics he's ever seen in his 10+ years of experience.
Turns out, he was made to do the work of a woman from another team who was actually his boss's wife! His boss assigned her all his work so she could relax, while my friend was stuck picking up the slack.
This whole experience crushed him mentally-his work-life balance disappeared, and it drove him into a deep, depressive rut. His life became hell.
The worst corporate backdoor move I’ve ever heard of. EY really outdid themselves with this one.
similar happened with my friend. She got depressed. She was in EY Bangalore. Bahut gandi company hai
Hats off to Kunal and Aashi for being vocal about it on social media & being able to deal with these extreme toxic situations. It’s an eye opener for everyone to not keep suffering and raise voice against it and leave such toxic culture/place. Ultimately, there are bad and good people everywhere so there is nothing really an employee can do about it except leaving. One should identify the red flag initially as soon as it first happens and rebel so that his/her suffering can’t be taken for granted by any senior employee. Senior people thinks that they have done it in past so it is normalised.
Really good to see kushal sir uses this platform to help new students really never thought that CA has this kind of Dark side
These types of podcasts are much needed for the people who are at the beginning of their journey in the big organization. They aren't aware about these blame game and favoritism. Thanks once again hoping to see more podcasts like this .
Foreigners have understood this..that night shift karna nahi hain..we Indians are destroying our sleeping cycle for USA..if there is financial problem nahi hain toh then no need to do night shift... Saturday and Sunday kaab chala jayega pata bhi nahi chalega..then your food,sleep, digestion and body hormones will imbalance..
We work 70 hrs so they can work 4 days remember that folks
Toxic managers are the problem yes. but organisations and HR departments that allow toxic managers to grow and protect them are more toxic. that is the biggest problem. Why don't employees feel safe to speak up? because organisation processes and practices - what materializes on the ground is toxic.
If an HR takes side of the employee to get justice than management will kick that HR out
@@samirbhalerao5579So you are saying it’s an Impossible Situation! Toxic Work Culture has been existing in every Institution for past 70 years only techniques to torment employees have changed!
@@indrasubramaniam9579 we are the only ones to really save ourselves. Other sources like HR or expecting management to be employees oriented or expect good for employees from ministry of labour is like a dream.
We should see other side of story too as everybody is victim in his her story and people have zero accountability nowadays and 99 percent of fake Mee too movement cases..🎉 and present generations is has become lazy and highly sensitive and always look for easy work culture with high payout 🎉
Wonderful Kushal.
I became a victim of burnout in 2014 due to massive work load because I was handling various tasks with very limited manpower under me whereas person who was replaced in my place had good number of people under him.
Not only the work culture is toxic; even the immediate incharge or the boss was also toxic. These toxic and ill planned work culture takes massive toll on health.
Powerful enough! We all deserve a harassment free workplace. Let’s keep the conversation going! The way the guy in the blue tee shirt shared his experiences showed he’s been through a lot. It takes real courage to speak out, and it’s inspiring to see them take a stand, everyone else can too!
Manager of CA Anna should be charged with Abatement of suicide as per section 306 of Indian penal code.
She didn't commit suicide. She suffered a cardiac arrest. It's not doubt it was because of the intense work Pressure that was imposed on her unnecessarily by her seniors but she didn't commit suicide.
Her family should file and proper FIR then only investigation will start.
That manager must go through a trial
We should see other side of story too as everybody is victim in his her story and people have zero accountability nowadays and 99 percent of fake Mee too movement cases..🎉 and present generations is has become lazy and highly sensitive and always look for easy work culture with high payout 🎉
@@factsunloaded4808 she was working for almost 16-18 hours a day, do you still think that she was lazy. Do you think a culture where working for 18 hours a day is normal and that kind of culture should be accepted as a norm in society. Person has died buddy, what kind of excuse are you looking for her death. And also if there was other side to the story then managers at EY should have released that story in there statement, but they literally ignored the fact that someone has died because of there toxic culture.
I left for America after graduating from college in India, and worked as the only minority immigrant (thanks to being in a non IT field). I'm truly blessed have so much autonomy and respect(at least in my case). The responsibilities are many. There are deadlines and expectations. People work hard. But I have never had to wait for my boss to leave before leaving myself. I never had to explain 'why' I needed to take off . My bosses (all of them Americans) have always been fair, even handed - and never asked me to do something they couldn't do themselves. They encourage different opinions- and I can be open and frank. Even 2 decades later- my work life is challenging but going to work still feels nice and fun. And my time off is sacred- not once do I get a phone call off work. I fully empathize with the situation faced by these young and brilliant people in the Indian corporate world. A toxic atmosphere at work, and workplace bullying needs to be fought. It can happen anywhere, in any country- but seems much worse in Asia
Which field you are in ?
Lucky you to make the decision of moving out of this shithole.
Mysore Wipro backup team Sumanth panda was killed in same way due to harrassment by santhosh s k. But killer santhosh who was responsible for harassment in the name of job security is still roaming around freely and death of sumanth was hidden from everyone
😢his family should file an FIR.
when should one stop tolerating?
-when on a daily basis when u wake up and ur mind tells I dont wanna go back to the same place and face that person/behavior etc , exactly this is the time when you should take a decision
So true🙁
True brother thanks.
True
Thank you Kushal sir for fighting against the toxic culture... Please bring more such videos for awareness...
CA firms have toxic work cultures, and ICAI should put out some laws regarding that. We pay them membership fees every year still, at least we deserve protection.
जहां भी वोटिंग द्वारा लीडर्स चुने जाएंगे तो लोग सिर्फ अपने स्वार्थ पूरे करने के लिए ही वोट देंगे, CA खुद चाहते हैं कि उनको मजदूर मिलें अपनी firms के लिए तो वो laws क्यों ही बनायेंगे बच्चों के favour में
ICAI only encourages this culture....they pay interns 6000-8000 for 3 years to work for 14-16 hours...this is the root cause this is where the problem starts
@@saksham1199bhi literally kisi ne to sahi bola !! SBB ma***o ko big 4 mai jana hai !! Aur yaha pe drame kar rahe hai!!!
Almost all work places have toxic work culture
ICAI ko b paisa khana hai un big firms ki tarah bas
Thank you Kushal for bringing such a podcast. It is an eye opening for a person like me who is an aspiring chartered accountant and dreamt to work in such companies. But after seeing such horrible conditions of employees it really forced me to change my opinion and what corporate culture is all about.Once again thank you for showing realty checks.
I can bet you..... Every employee is having an issue with Ernst and Young
3 months notice is wild. It is so normalised in India that nobody questions. The company wants urgent joiners but cannot let go of leavers quickly 😅
They just want the employees to suffer. 😂😂
Lets protest
Its great to see many professional coming out in open to protest against the toxic culture. If Anna was not the only victim...that means there were many who were victims and had to die or commit suicide?? We need to get those names too.
I am a lawyer and recently, I have also faced harassment in a law firm..
My boss was very toxic and pervert..
I am also a lawyer and this thing is common in legal field.
@@abhisekmishra4669 I know that..but I am talking about sexual harassment as well 😢
@@Advlegal123lawyer ho toh action le lo uspe
Why this is common I think as man u dont find this disturbing but as girl its traumatising work in such company where harassment considered normal n along with that work pressure @@abhisekmishra4669this should not be absolutely normal n if u as man see such thing instead protecting such pervert take action against them tarnish whole company if they take action against u for confronting such issue n give u threat
@@kamartaj3010Prove kaise karoge
Another girl died working at HDFC Lucknow office.😢
Good Thoughts by both the guests. Thanks for speaking up guys, we need to start more conversations on this, much needed.
If all past employees of EY will gather their issues and Evidence then a lawyer can help all of them and all can actually take any legal action against this organization
Abatement of suicide as per section 306 of Indian penal code.
At least the Manager of CA Anna should be prosecuted in the Trial court.
@@AkshayBurman2799 Bhai, if this becomes a reality! pura India ke managers apna Toxic culture bhool jayenge😂
@@CovidwalaTrader 😂😂
@@CovidwalaTrader ghanta badlega
@@User-mncbjlfjrebxkl Tumhe kese pata? abhi tak to esa hua hi nahi he kabhi🙃
🔺PIP🔺is a glorified way of saying You Are Fired. It is the most favourite tool of managers to abuse & used as a formal way of taking revenge in corporate world. I have seen best of the best talents in PIP just because they were leaving one team to join other, & first team was forced by HR to provide names of under-performers to fit in bell curve. so naturally the person who is leaving the team gets to be the Chosen One.
Sadly this practice has been there for decades in top tier companies. If ur ever in Pip, just change ur job immediately.
Same happened to me in accenture.
Whereever company uses bell curve, just avoid these companies altogether.
It’s really appreciable when people actually talk about this and come forward for a change .i always wondered during my articleship when my colleagues try to normalise toxic work culture in the name of exposure !! and relieving by comparing with other firms where it’s even more hard to deal with .why does being a ca or article gives them implied thought that they are supposed to be stress during the entire career ..wake up!!!it’s not exposure that’s a exploitation of you ..nobody cares for your health
I have worked for major IT companies in India and it is true that large number of bosses in india are arrogant and employee friendly policies are only there on paper and for the outside world. Employees are not less than slaves for these big companies.
Har company mein yahee haal hai...they are not employee centric
Please humble request create this type of podcast . Oneday in India will come people demand for law for employees in corporate culture
Wish labour ministry in India wakes up to this.
@@samirbhalerao5579 CA firms doesn't come under labour laws, neither SEZ ones!
@@smgs4170 in that case why labour ministry people went to EY company office in Pune over Anna's case on 25th September 24? Labour ministry is involved.
Only these people have excuses and problems while majority of them are able to do their work...We should see other side of story too as everybody is victim in his her story and people have zero accountability nowadays and 99 percent of fake Mee too movement cases..🎉 and present generations is has become lazy and highly sensitive and always look for easy work culture with high payout 🎉
This happens in all organization involving chartered accountants.
Other domain people have been so fun working with, be it sales guys, or legal guys. MBAs or even engineers.
The problems is with the chartered accountants, especially Indian CAs. Sab log sadist.
Kawye...crows sub jagah kaale hai . Same toxic experience in manufacturing.
Very true, people from other departments are very chill
Yes I have noticed this. CAs are treated like shit in many firms.
They havent enjoyed in their life thats why
This is generalization, BIG 4 has a different culture. IT companies are best for CA to work for (not quality wise of course).
Torture is happening even in small girls guys. During the initial days of my articleship, i had broken the wrist of my right hand and it was awfully painful. I asked for a leave and the CA boss/manager/in-charge told me " Pain killer leke aja" .
Then there was one instance she told in front of everyone in a raised tone"tere baal bohot acche hai na tereko takla kar dungi"
One CA in-charge had harassed me to find meaning of depreciation, obviously i already knew but he didn't listen to me, wanted me to search internet for it.
Compared me and a person who had already completed their 3 year articleship.
And many things, all of this comes at the cost of your own self confidence when you are a 19 or 20 year old.
Edit: read small girls as "small firms" .
Sometimes I feel like why we entered this profession, It's getting more & more difficult as we are moving forward.
And when we see in Hand salary it's really demotivating😌.
@@AkshayBurman2799 You guys have no confidence in your own abilities. You are equipped with skills that only a few percentage of the population possess. Yet you cannot garner the wisdom to find some other place to work or start something of your own. Maybe the salary might be in lakhs , but what good is it if you are not able to live and go to bed peacefully?
Only some people have problems..We should see other side of story too as everybody is victim in his her story and people have zero accountability nowadays and 99 percent of fake Mee too movement cases..🎉 and present generations is has become lazy and highly sensitive and always look for easy work culture with high payout 🎉
Lay offs in 2024 is at peak in India despite this toxic work culture and highest taxes..
Sounds like these Big 4 are worst then Concentration camp of Poland 🤬
Who are these big 4?
@@suvarnadesai4243 EY, KPMG, PWC and Deloitte are Big 4 companies
When I used to work with Cognizant my manager wanted to screw my personal life.
To all the young people please value your life and time, when you reach 40 only your family matters… live with in your means… invest your money…
The issue in Audit domain in India is that the teams are deliberately kept understaffed to extract more and more profits.
I worked in KPMG for 4 years and my experience was the same.
Accounts and audit both department have toxic environment and low salary as compared to the amount of work they get done.
Same for tax. Everywhere the manager behaves like he is God & he owns the company & he owns us. ... What a delution with just a little bit of power
It's a very great video to show the reality of consultation companies 😠
Hey everybody i literally thought am the only one who went through the trauma of a toxic workplace it literally got to a point where my health got really fucked up… no matter how much I worked I never got the recognition I deserved all I got was betrayal and shaming in my office for not being productive enough…corporate has given me so much trauma that I do not even want to work ever again.. am literally so scared of it… lucky are those ppl who wake up loving their job… I finally had to quit my job… mind you this was in one of the so called reputed companies of India.. highly appreciate Kushal for Picking this topic for today’s podcast…big RUclipsrs rarely speak about this even though it was its a very critical topic
Yes .. well said... Corporate job is literally disturbing our mental health
Make more videos on this corporate culture experience....as fresher we don't know what happens in actual job situation,
EVERYONE!! raise your voice for strict labour law in india INFLUENCERS!! You can lead this initiative..
My point of view is even if we strict the labour laws the duration of the work will be the same right.....this would be like a sweet malice.
Given Salaries are not sufficient in today's world, inflation is growing rapidly...
@@N.SudhanssuRaman minimum wage is also an important factor of labour law
@@aakashlko92 Its there already, by that standard you get 10% of BIG 4 salary.
@@smgs4170 that's why I use word 'strict labour law'
Good to see people started talking about work life balance
Why always voices are raised only after when something like this happened...??
It’s very true EY assurance lacks professionalism
On a human level and spiritual level we have to consciously ensure that we do not harass our juniors because karma will not leave you trust me , you are spoiling your saturn which is related to labour and mass works who work below you , so be careful before mis treating someone who is working for you , it will come to bite you very bad in life.
Woi naa i always have fun with juniors and make sure they are not pressurizes.
HR in India often feels like the most spineless piece here. While managers can be harsh and lack empathy, you’d expect HR to step up and provide support. Instead, HR often acts like “Inhuman Resources,” doing little more than following orders. They don’t use their own judgment or stand up for employees; instead, they merely echo whatever the managers dictate. It’s disheartening to see such a crucial part of the corporate structure reduced to mere followers without any backbone.
HR is just another manager but in a differently named department. They collude & cover up for each other. They belong to the same "manager class".
I agree absolutely that such behaviours are team and manager specific....there is a popular saying in corporate "PEOPLE QUIT MANAGERS, NOT THE COMPANY"
Brother dont fear to take their names those managers should be shamed
Mysore wipro backup team santhosh s k is saddist of all. He enjoys suffering of other. When wife of other person is pregnant he creates fake document that person of not working and make sure he gets the lowest rating so that person is thrown out of company with so much of insulting .
That's why corporate employees are leaving India
Did they give long leave of there any problem
I have literally Experienced everything, but at low level in My Articleship 😂. The only thing they could threaten me was my exam leave
Lucky but will they give long leave of there is any problem in home
And will they give you work if you are in home
Controversial opinion. Doing CA was the biggest mistake of my life.
CA is a good profession. It is those dirty companies who mess up things.
What happened? Wanna share?
Agreed mine too! just wanna ke done with it in the nov attempt!
CA is the gateway to becoming an influencer bro ... don't underestimate.
@@tejas_shuklaaa no it is the gateway to become a finance professional. these rankholders have spent their articleships in big firms and then later on consulting or PE or investment banks and then they become influencers mostly.
Isse zyada bura toh mere saath hua tha in EY audit, 10x worse. Toxic firm.
Kya hua. Plz tell your story..I wanna know
Share your experience...plz🐥
Bolo bro
Thank you for this talk.
I am going through pretty much the same with one of the Big4s.
They are not even accepting my resignation.
Bhai kushal i dont want to spread hate against you but people like you have glorified Big4s a lot and you guys actually admired their toxic pressure work atmosphere instead of criticising it. Good that now you're speaking up.
Thank you for the podcast .Both the guests are speaking from their hearts.I have worked both in India and abroad. So my conclusions is
Abroad : Skill + Hardwork =Success and growth
HERE : Skill
Thank god a right video came out noone talks about employee work condition, more and more video should come out
It's good to bring people to hear the confessions(I respect you) . But kushal you need to be firm in your views about work culture. In a podcast with aman dhattarwal you were glorifying working for more than 70 hrs. I know you are a content creator, but I felt you're a hypocrite. No hate kushal, was just disappointed. I know you get scripts and being a content creator you have to just act upon it
working on something that interests you is a different thing. being made to work forcefully by someone is a different thing. Kushal has himself been in case 2 and openly shared that he considers this wrong.
uska kahne ka matlab hai agar tumhe koi multimillionaire ban na hai tab 14 15 ghante kaam karna padega otherwise tumhe normal life chaiye phir ache se life enjoykaro
Congratulations to both of you guys you have got a new life now😊😊
My learnings from my 10+ years of experience in IT-
1. Company is not our home. All slogans related to "company is your home" are bullshits.
2. Work for money not for making relations.
3. Be there until you are happy and learning something new daily.
4. Whenever you feel not happy with your colleague or work and if it is not for short term....LEAVE.
5. Try to be nice with everyone until person in front of you is also nice.
In ca life no one wants u to be happy, if you are happy they will get bother why are you so happy. They will try so hard to destroy your happiness.
Really....😮
Yes this is the biggest truth of this world
Yeah.... they can never digest others happiness
That’s the truth
I also had a very traumatising experience with one of the Big 4 and that to in there Global practice . Luckily I fought against them and resigned after proving myself.
But i wish we could speak more confidently about these incidents.
Wow, why don’t urban middle class in India protest against this? Farmers and factors workers protest when they feel threatened.
this is not only in ca faternity this issue is of entire indian corporate and job system 😢
The only reason that ca anna issue came in limelight is because this kind of news in ca faternity is though maybe common but errupts once in a blue moon whereas on an average entire employee chain is under high stress due to unorganised and harsh indain corporate jobs
Good work KL.....The world must know about the white collar criminals at big firms
We all should stop to join big 4. That's the best treat we can give to them and make a unity for this.
India has a population of young unemployed people who will be ready to work for any amount for this organization. It's not like Woke countries where highly skilled and educated people are leaving their toxic workplaces to work as baristas, servers, cashiers for a better work life balance.
Tu mat kar Bhai kaam hum karlenge
@@tanviupkareshorts4898bhai koi acchi jagah joi kar not big 4
@@tanviupkareshorts4898EY join kar lo
After CA exams, CAT people are engaging themselves in corporate majdoori.. govt job is 100 %better than those corporate sucking life.
Cmon 😂 wahan to aur bura haal h, atleast in private we have the option to switch.
Everyone can't get government job as vacancies are too less
@@amaresh-qq6ql govt jobs have job security, you won't get fired unlike in private, also Saturday and Sunday off.
@@everythingisawesome2903 who cares about security when your seniors harass you, and you wont have any option apart from leaving or bootlicking. This conversation would go over and beyond unless the typical mentality grows like other developed nations where people join jobs based on their skills sets not by the sake of govt or private.
@@amaresh-qq6qlacha ja krly switch
Good that youth is talking about it. More such conversations are needed to stop the harrasment done by the older generation
I heard this somewhere an HR can never be your friend. They will do all the sweet-talk and try to make u speak about your work and manager. If you give them any Honest feedback they will escalate it to the upper management. So be very very careful when u speak to the HR.
Lets make these HRs our naukars
Even if your company is good but your manager and teammates are toxic then its very difficult to work.
Big fan Kunal!! Thanks for speaking up
Kushal this conversation is very insightful and thinking the other way and speek up when you need.
The story this people told are exactly 100% true seen similar situations. Focus on such more interviews.
My support for you kunal.....this is important. Even companies should have some fear....
It is also happening in the Govt. Sector too. and no one wants to talk about it.
I was just thinking the same when I came across this comment. In government sector, they have a culture of sitting late uselessly and worklessly, harassing people who try to work with a work-life balance and glorifying those who work on anything and anytime no questions asked.
Kushal please bring all sector Employee their is lot of harassment in private bank sector, Construction infrastructure industry,Manufacturing industry we need to fight against this toxic culture
Don't give birth to children to suffer in this world please 😢😮
Absolutely true
Absolutely true
There is a point we need to understand. There are good managers and bad managers as said in the video. We cant argue about that and its the manager’/ fault. But it becomes company’s fault when we report this to HR about this injustice, instead of taking action they keep quiet. This speaks about the company’s strong ethics in work culture. Issue to be addressed by company instead of keeping silent or blaming the victim.
Need more people to speak up !
Great job guys
Quiet quitting is the only way. This is every dedicated and hardworking employee story. Slacking employees get all the perks.
Under paying an employee is a harrasment itself but no ones gives a flying f in this country
Managers put pressure on employees.
Directors put pressure on managers.
CEO puts pressure on Directors.
Shareholders put pressure on CEO.
It's a cycle. Everyone is in pressure because shareholder wants more benefits and higher returns.
Will you invest in a company which has less returns and market share? If No, you're part of the problem
You are right but they just want a work balance see Forgien company there is less pressure
@@bisckuttalks You can't say this about foreign with certainty. Bcoz-
1. Everything seems good on social media about foreign. Actual reality may be different.
2. Foreign company have attained that growth and have the trust/brand value that even the pressure is low, it won't impact it's revenues much.
But that's not our case. That's why Indian companies makes us work harder.
@@suvamkeshari then why people leaving jobs and why they are happy on others jobs
So best way is, work for listed company, buy its shares and keep grinding. Apne hi pressure mein kaam karo😀
@@jsmehra but shares ka profit 5 saal 10 saal bad ayga regular income bhi toh cahiye
After working in PwC for two years I stopped picking any calls from big4 HRs. Their work model is based on over utilisation of people to generate more profit. Managers are in some kind of race and their ears are open to people only above in the hierarchy. Business suit is mandatory, why ? People talk in fake english accents. Those same people start talking normally outside office. So many unethical practices going on which you are not comfortable to do but since your manager asks you have to. My manager used to casually ask in friday evening call 'ye kal tak kar ke de dena'. What 'kal tak' ? Saturday is off. List is countless. I had faced toxicity in other organisations too but in PwC it was on another level which made me ponder if I want to work for any organisation or not.
My brother worked here and never came home before 1:30-2:30 at night. Indian companies need to regulate their working hours and hire more people to manage the work load. This is what is causing youngsters to move abroad for better work life balance and better working conditions. Toxic bosses need to be penalised by Organizations
Common issues include high pressure to meet targets, resulting in long working hours and burnout. A lack of work-life balance is often exacerbated by the need to collaborate across different time zones. All MNCs have more or less the same stressful environment and toxic work culture.Work-life balance is often elusive in corporate culture, especially in high-pressure environments where productivity and deadlines take precedence.
Feel lucky enough that had courage to leave big 4 after 1.5 years and starting my own practice 😊 in 2014
This is everywhere even in big names like TCS, Infosys not sleep work 7 days.They took the projects in cheaper cost and 24/7/365 days with 4 people.
Realiy😮😮 I thought all get high pay salary and happy
happy to see atleast people are talking about the harrasment at workplace
ये EY वाला तो अब बाहर आया है issue, ऐसे तो कितने लोग मर गये है औंर मर रहे हैं रोज कोई हीसाब नहीं है
Kpmg m bhi buraa haal h bss koi bolta ni h
@@ayushsaxexna4239working hrs kya hota hei
@@ayushsaxexna4239kya ghr gaye tbbhi call ya mail ata hei kam krny ko
Employees dark circles show they are not getting proper sleep quit evil EY when they dont care health of workers
This is the environment in almost all organisations, small or big,specially audit firms.
Govt should make strict rules 😢 regarding this.....working hours should be fixed😢
Appreciation to both of them to speak up
This needs to reach every single person
Not only CA, I am a Btech graduate working as a Software Developer at one of the biggest MNC and we are made to work for 13/14 hrs daily.Also forcing us on weekends.If we say no,they will threaten us with PIP
The girl is saying so true. Same thing happened to me in pune and gurgaon where i worked for 3 years. The culture was crazy. They just exhausted me completely drained me mentally completely physically. They even caught me in COVID lockdowns in a room for 3 months.
Same thing happened to me in Pune
Both dare to speak up 👍not afraid of response from their current company 👏
Thanks for the podcast , take one or two more.
Can totally relate. Even I had a manager sent me to remote location. The place I stayed was completely isolated and unsafe with no female workers around.
It even didnt have heaters, wherein the temperature used to be around 1°c in the night. Horrible experience. I am glad things are coming out slowly.
Many many inconsistencies and hyperbole in this conversation. Of course no one denying the toxic and overwork culture in BIG 4 and TOP 3.
1. For the guy- Someone worked 3 years as article and 2 years post qualification couldn't understand toxic culture. By the way working 2 years in big 4 and moving to corporate is very standard practice, don't know why he is blaming toxic culture for his resignation!
2. Top 3 consulting companies hire CA for advisory and back office work. Like consultants you have to work hard without much advancements in career. I don't understand why a CA work for Mckinsey FP&A (Nightshift is clearly back office). Wrong choice!
3. Compensation off is definitely there, if you haven't got comp off then you have issues with manager.
4. Managers in investment bank, BIG 4 and Top 3 consulting are aggressive. People fall in line intentionally there to be part of their courtrie. Famous word in BCG...if you cant take the heat get out of house.
5. Tier 2 employee is very well known concept in Top 3. HR department clearly tells during induction.
6. How can someone go into PIP after probation. PIP can happen for an employee who has a confirmed job (meaning post probation). If some one is not able to manage probation period it means two things a. serious performance issues or camaraderie issues b. over hiring by firm (it happens some time).
Many things just don't add up!
Exaggerated views from two wrong samples, its actually offence to the girl/lady ; who actually passed away; wrong comparison.