I’m a 66 year old white English middle class lady. My life in the main has been wretched. I’m sick of being told I’m privileged as if I’ve been protected from everything. A happy life is a privilege no matter where or who you are.🙄
I am English and grew up in a Welsh village, were I learned two things. Firstly, being white and English does not immune you to racism. And secondly, everyone in that village was white, everyone was poor and no one had any privilege.
If my brother is my equal then he wouldn't ask me the to kneel before him and if he expects me to do so, then he neither sees me as his brother or his equal.
@Tabitha Ford ; Bravo !! But according to "critical race theory" as a true visionary once said "judging people on the content of their character" is now racist , though these tend to be the typical cry bullies who expresses & promote socially progressive, scientifically illiterate logically unsound deeply bigoted supremacist views while shouting Xenophobe, Racist, Islamophobia & Bigot at all who challenge their orthodoxy . Believing ideology defines reality rather than facts often found occupying the moral high ground directly opposite cloud cuckoo land : )
I'll remember my 58 years of white privilege when I'm laying bricks, here in Australia in 100 F heat with 90% humidity. Every morning at 5 a.m. my back reminds me of my privilege as well
The peoples of the British isles were transported to work as indentured serfs from 1603 till 1867 in the west indies, the Americas and Australia before and after slavery started in the Americas, Incidently why is it called slavery the Slavs are the whitest race in the world could that be because of the Ottomans who's castigating the Turks?
If you are conservative this is how you speak. It's those on the left who don't understand what normal is. Family values is a evil thing to those on the left.
My only bit of anger is when rich white or rich people of colour, tell me i have white privilege, because i don't feel much privilege lifestyle or financially
I'm a 19 year old working class muslim kid who left school last year. The type of people who made all this Social Justice stuff their religion were white, middle class, highly privileged and pampered kids.
The answer to those pampered kids is "Come and share my privilege!" They don't even know what You're talking about because they don't know what they are talking about. Without a dedicated _classism_ against those rich imbeciles You won't succeed teaching 'em what there bloody *_is_* to talk about instead of their white privilege billshut.
@@manfredschmalbach9023 The right has dug its own whole in a sense. Without questioning wealth inequality and frankly people born into privilege having a big jump start over others that makes these middle class SJW types immune from any of their attacks.
What I love about this? Two blokes, ignore what colour, two blokes who respect each other, like each other, and enjoy chin wagging with each other. What life should be all about, surely.....
That's what life was like for me growing up in the 90s and early 2000s. It was viewed as a superficial trait like eye colour you'd have to be an idiot to care about. Now though I'm more like basil fawlty thinking "don't mention the war". If i talk to a black person I don't know my head is literally swimming with a list of do's and don'ts, of feeling like i need to be on eggshells, thinking if I'll subtly offend them or if they'll kick off and thinking of race constantly. Tbh it's making me not want to bother getting to know black people. I don't want a weird asymetrical relationship full of hidden resentments so I don't bother.
@@joekoons5787 You say it was viewed as a superficial trait. You might have viewed it like that, others didnt. In the 1990s, a government report found the police to be institutionally racist, and led to changes in the law. The 1990s werent some racial utopia, youre just more aware now that it isnt, maybe
@@charmcottage5394 I certainly never considered the colour of a persons skin until this blew up. BLM are trying to stir up racial hatred for their own ends. like raising money so they can buy luxury properties in USA. as Trevor said it's a scam.
@@mikeykanstenpoyy6523 because you are from the UK you refer to 'your people' as black people? As opposed to British people? This sounds to me like a continuation of segregation, why would you do that?
@@shanecuzick4385 it is not pedantic, it's semantics. Are you 'his people'? Whose people are you? Just to continue the them'n'us theme perpetuating our society (I mean UK society, not black society).
Im white, earn less than minimum wage self employed and I live in the back of my Van so I don't have to sleep on the street. But I just want to be left alone to enjoy my white privilege please.
Ok when your done making an anecdotal argument we can talk about the socioeconomic facts that cause the black community more hardship, for the most part.
@@mange2 what the hell are you saying? Are you seriously trying to deny the objective fact the blacks are systemically oppressed through the justice system and the after effects of redlining and Jim Crow?
@@aiden7523 There is no objective fact that backs your statement. Show me reliable data and we can discuss it further if you would like. Unless you want to play the victim without facts to back you up...your choice. You cannot claim that a statement like that is "objective fact" without reliable data and sources.
BLM is controlled by zionists within the democratic party Its not just some group that formed out of thin air Its meant to divide people by race and pidgeon-hole everyone into a specific (anti-white heterosexual Christian male) political ideology
Booing means that you disapprove, hate something, it looks like some people never mastered basic behavior. So in booing you are pissing over the people that want to make a stand against racism. It is not a political statement, it is a problem in society. You do know that there's racism in football too or should we just turn a blind eye to that.
@@oilylampman7252 that is because some people use the words to means other lives dont matter, which is deflecting from the real issue. If you were to go to a demonstration against killing tigers because they are nearly extint and you started tochant tigers lives matter, you are not saying that other animals lives dont matter. You are just highlighting that that tiger are being targeted and killed. The same way that blm is highlighting how black people are targeted and killed by the police more than any other race, although black people make up only about 10percent of the entire American population.
Notice he is still all about black people - sorry, "people of colour" - and on board with overthrowing capitalism, and he isn't saying anything we didn't already know, so I don't see people here are getting all excited about him.
@Sashabizz4 Ah but then he was being paid £175,000 per annum for his towing of the party line. In my own workplace the 'equalities board' used to have 3 people's pictures on it. Now there are 27. There was and is a lot of money being made in the race relations industry and if there is no problem there is no function for these people to fulfil. Trevor doesn't need the money so he can now voice a more nuanced position.
Critical race theory, an awful export from pseudo academia in America. Us native Britons on the periphery have enough problems without wealthy bourgeosie telling us we are privileged.
@@stevelangridge1755 When was he last on? I remember seeing him on Question Time pre lockdown where during a debate on woman's rights and the MeTo movement he talked about the need to address black rap artists attitudes towards woman in their music and lifestyle.
@@stevelangridge1755 He has not been discredited by his so-called community as you describe it, because he is not a spokesperson for every single black person in this country. The people who have discredited him are the ones who think all black people think the same and can be categorised by using the lazy term BAME to describe a diverse group of people. He is just one example of the diverse views that are out there and hopefully we will hear more of.
@@chrislaing8444 Your sophistry does not disguise the fact that he is discredited. You imply generalisations which of course never exist in totality. The point is that he has chosen to blame his own community for the racism it suffers. I don’t disagree with everything he says, such as people with white skins shouldn’t feel obliged to go round apologising all the time. But again, that’s just a statement about something which doesn’t, in practice, happen. I’m not apologising for past crimes for example. I can only decide not to commit any myself. He’s a clever charlatan who has found a niche popular with those who are ambiguous about opposing racism and I guess he’s decided that’s a way to make a living. Just an establishment servant, basically.
@@stevelangridge1755 If you think he represents the establishment you really haven't been paying attention. Also, what's the black 'community'. There are 2.3 million black people in Britain from a variety of backgrounds. You think they should all share the same beliefs?
-Trevor Phillips quite clearly shows that it is the way you behave that counts and not your skin colour, a real nice bloke, we could all learn from Him.
Amazing work. I went to school in England and as a Irish man no 1 called me by my first name. I was called paddy every day by black white asians .it was no big deal I got on with life and it made me the man I am today...
You can use the term; "White Community" when you forelock tug, take a knee, and produce mixed race children, whilst apologising for your white privilege.
Because you're blinded by it. How often have you been spat at while walking down the street to buy groceries? How many jobs have you been denied because you're not a part of the majority? It's not as big a problem here in the UK but in North America it's a completely different story.
Gentlemen. This important discussion deserves many more views. Schools etc. Thank you. I wish you and your families a safe, peaceful and joyous Christmas.
@@just_another32 Hello Victoria, hope you are well ! Alas Trevor is not seen as worthy of exposure on the MSM, perhaps as he like so many others of us, does not buy into the BLM propoganda, he is a critical thinker and that in itself destroys the editorial approach of the talking heads....... So we were both right and both wrong..........the election is still up for grabs................
@@simonsouthgate8374 Yes that sounds about right! I haven't been following the US election. Do you really think there's a possibility the result could change? I do find the claims of fraud (the snippets that I have heard) quite compelling. But it would need to have been on a mass scale, wouldn't it?
@@andylewis7360 deluded about what? I bet you're not brave enough to say what the delusion is? Go on I dare you to be brave enough to spell out the delusion in clear terms, or are you just a keyboard warrior😂
@@dmd7472 Deluded that we’re all “ in it together “ whatever your vague logical faculties regard as “it” Your original post exhibits exactly the kind of half-think BS rhetoric that Blah-blah Bliar used to spout. It meant nothing then and it means nothing now. Your delusion is exactly the puddle-shallow reasoning process that leads you to the knee-jerk conclusion that it is not only desirable but actually practicable for every person to “be equal”, when it’s patently obvious to anybody with a fully functioning brain that neither is the case. I think I’ve made myself clear enough to be comprehended by a cretin so I suppose there’s an outside chance of a programmed NPC drone like you a least getting the gist
The irony of saying 'stop apologising for being white', while in the same breath using the nonsense term "people of colour" (Newspeak for 'everyone except whites').
White and black are tones, not colours according to my old school art teacher. I am pink and my wife is a light yellow so I guess we are 'people of colour'.
Trevor Phillips makes some great points . And reminds me of the extinction rebellion mobs who think they are the only ones who have concerns for the planet , while they fly off to various parts of the world eating food covered in palm oil , etc
The prevailing UN narrative “Mankind is bad and needs to be saved from itself” must be preserved at all costs. Otherwise, how can The Great Reset be sold effectively?
Great conversation. I wish we could have this articulated conversation in the US--but people only want to hear their own voices over here. And they shout. A lot.
I am fed up with ticking the box rich people getting richer not paying their taxes , i do not do modern speech I have to keep asking my daughter what it means ,then a new thing comes along ,I feel like I am on a different planet.and greta thunberg should be in school her parents have screwed her up good. did you know babies are racist now,sorry for the rant
I'm a white chap & Trevor spoke for me, I do feel like 'giving up', I've always fought racism, but this latest crop of 'protestors' seem to hate me so much, I'm thinking, OK, you can go on your way now, I'm out! Why do they want to split us up intro groups, I always hoped that we would come together - they're idiots!
Trevor's always a joy to listen to - he's articulate, well-read, dignified, full of integrity, and reasonable. And I'm saying this despite hating what he did in support of Tony Blair's government.
there you gentlemen were having a great debate,thank you I have been in lockdown since end of January 2020, and I have had the opportunity to try and educate myself.I was ill just before lockdown started so I have health problems and disabilitys,and THIS may sound nuts how many countries have had their history changed .My theory is some people must have changed it for some reason.I am an older person and my vocabulary is not up to all this woke cancel culture stuff,I do not mean to give offence but I do not do modern speak .
George Floyd has not been proven yet to have died because of the officer, just a technicality you should focus on to stop yourself getting in trouble...
@@lawsonj39 so please provide the evidence that George Floyd was killed by the police because he was black instead of just jumping straight to an ad hominem.
How utterly refreshing to hear from Trevor. A truly intelligent man who rarely appears on mainstream media as he doesn't fit their narrative of racism. Great guy
What a fabulous interview. I whole heartedly agree as I grew up mixed race in York... a very white city where I was chased home every day by a racist bully. People just suffered, but I love my country and we have come a long way to how it used to be. I've not received any negative race hate since I was a teenager and my children never went through any of what I did.
Trevor Phillips radiates integrity and stature in this documentary. He has a great passion for tackling racial injustice but isn't blinded to his own past policy mistakes, is seeking improvement and listening to feedback not blocking it out. The school principal at the end was outstanding and it's good to see preferential policies based on ethnic cohort can be useful if adaptable to needs and equally applied to all cohorts as needed regardless of background. The only problem with this approach is that it's top-down and relies on placing discriminatory authority in government bodies that have a poor record in correcting course (see, grooming gangs), nor does this address the problem of high levels of immigration. I hope Phillips gets traction, where he is coming from with his conversation is the right start.
A truly balanced, level-headed and educated point of view, well done Mr Phillips. Retaliating against hatred with your own hatred, just makes you a hater yourself and therefore the same as those you hate. People who only talk s#*!e always have to shut other people's views down, people with something worthwhile and honest to say don't need to. They speak like Trevor Phillips.
some actual intelligent people talking about race over the last few years. so refreshing. people are getting tired of always being called racist for the colour of their skin or a victim because they're black. this needs to become mainstream. wake up people.
I used to watch Andrew Neil on This Week.I thought he was great....This is even better.Sensible mature debate almost a conversation.A credit to Trevor Phillips too.No rude interjections,no shouting and no political point scoring and best of all....NO WOKENESS..Loving listening to these
Slavery is a sin of the world. Been going on for thousands of years. History tells you the struggle and cheapness of life in those times. No one gave it a thought, that was just life and survival.
Western Society was first to abolish slavery, far ahead of Africa and Asia. Theres no Africans in the middle east despite the middle east holding alot more slaves, because they were used in Wars and killed, instead of given farmlife in the US.
When you can get access to a spell check facility then you will be able to claim your white privilege. I doubt, however, that many Spectator readers have ever encountered victimisation except when dishing it out!
I'm sorry I'm White and I find it an insult to say how nasty and racist I am. I'll stand with anyone that gets called the N word I'll not have it. I judge everyone equally, live and let live until they do me no good. But don't blame me get educated work hard and surround yourselves with positive people.
@@harrymail7 I need to grow up?? Watching F1 since '85 & as far as I remember it has never been a political sport nor guilted into it by a complete hypocrite & narcissist! If anyone needs to grow up or stop being snowflakey it's the blind fangirls of hypocrite Hamilton, like you! 😉
@@namelessnobody7611 #2 Just like RINO's he's on the Left in name only. Do some research and stop reporting my comments just 'cause you can't handle the truth.
@@itazura6406 Trevor Phillips has a history of nuance when it comes to race and I certainly don’t agree with some of his views (including those expressed in this video) but his wider political beliefs have always been left-wing. I am left-wing myself and by no means was my intention to join the crowds of bigots dismissing what I believe to be a very real issue. I’m not too sure why you’re being so aggressive however; I haven’t reported anything...
No-one knelt on Floyd's neck. His arm was knelt on by one leg to pin him down, and the other leg's dead weight was placed over the back of his neck. He wasn't murdered.
@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 I get the impression nobody knows, though everyone's got an opinion. He had plenty of drugs in his system, but I think the autopsy says not enough drugs to overdose. According to the autopsy he had 'severe atherosclerosis', as well. So those two things, combined with panic at being caught, seemed to trigger something. The footage of the time he was arrested last year is fascinating: ruclips.net/video/oEc3TKTI4yI/видео.html . He goes through the same routine: not obeying the simple command to show both hands, repeatedly saying "don't shoot me". The police had to threaten him with tazers to stop him swallowing drugs. Then once he is hand-cuffed he keeps wimpering "mama". It's obviously an act he had for distracting the police while hiding or disposing of drugs. Some people think he swallowed the drugs this year and that the package burst in his stomach.
@@mariapalmer5671 Of course not. It couldn't have helped, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was a hindrance. And even if it was a hindrance, that's still a long way away from murder or racist murder. If he'd simply sat in the car, which is all they wanted him to do, he might have been okay, though I suspect not. I think he was going through something that couldn't be stopped. But I don't know.
I'm 22, I fear when clubs open back up their will be a moment where we are asked to kneel for blm. I will refuse. But I fear the consequences, I fear being beaten up or worse. But I must stand up for British values
My very privileged grand father abandoned his village in the mountain to go work at the factory in the valley, my also very privileged father studied at 36, with 2 kids at home, as he was working in the same factory, to become an engineer so his family progresses. As their son and grand son and a white privileged young man, I studied hard, worked even harder during 25 years to pay for our flat and so my kids have good studies. At 52, I'm working 12 hours per day to maintain my privileged job, for the next 4 years so I can have a decent privileged retirement.
Thank heavens we have people like Trevor and Andrew putting this problem in to perspective Black lives matter do nothing for racism keep going chaps I’m not sure you’re going to win but whatever you do don’t stop trying
I’m a 66 year old white English middle class lady. My life in the main has been wretched.
I’m sick of being told I’m privileged as if I’ve been protected from everything.
A happy life is a privilege no matter where or who you are.🙄
Very, very true.
Love you. Trust me I understand.
Hardship has no colour. Yes racial injustice in real. But hardship does not discriminate!
I had to walk to the shop today and pay for my beer . Where's my privilege ?
I am English and grew up in a Welsh village, were I learned two things. Firstly, being white and English does not immune you to racism. And secondly, everyone in that village was white, everyone was poor and no one had any privilege.
If my brother is my equal then he wouldn't ask me the to kneel before him and if he expects me to do so, then he neither sees me as his brother or his equal.
Great! Well said!👍🏻☺️
That 9ne statement says it all !
Absolutely.
@Tabitha Ford ; Bravo !! But according to "critical race theory" as a true visionary once said "judging people on the content of their character" is now racist , though these tend to be the typical cry bullies who expresses & promote socially progressive, scientifically illiterate logically unsound deeply bigoted supremacist views while shouting Xenophobe, Racist, Islamophobia & Bigot at all who challenge their orthodoxy . Believing ideology defines reality rather than facts often found occupying the moral high ground directly opposite cloud cuckoo land : )
Oops that sounds like a bit of a rant : )
I'll remember my 58 years of white privilege when I'm laying bricks, here in Australia in 100 F heat with 90% humidity. Every morning at 5 a.m. my back reminds me of my privilege as well
So who gave you contract to do that ?
Don't be wacist.
The peoples of the British isles were transported to work as indentured serfs from 1603 till 1867 in the west indies, the Americas and Australia before and after slavery started in the Americas,
Incidently why is it called slavery the Slavs are the whitest race in the world could that be because of the Ottomans who's castigating the Turks?
@@russellpickering1990 The gaelic irish were imported to west indies in mid 17th and 18th century no talk about those slaves.
Yeah and I bet the slave driver you work for is paying you as little as he can legally get away with?
It's a sad reflection of the world we live in when simply hearing intelligent adults have a grown up conversation is a refreshing change.
If you are conservative this is how you speak. It's those on the left who don't understand what normal is. Family values is a evil thing to those on the left.
My only bit of anger is when rich white or rich people of colour, tell me i have white privilege, because i don't feel much privilege lifestyle or financially
Same here. Well said! I expect a high percentage of people feel that way.
I'm a 19 year old working class muslim kid who left school last year. The type of people who made all this Social Justice stuff their religion were white, middle class, highly privileged and pampered kids.
The answer to those pampered kids is "Come and share my privilege!" They don't even know what You're talking about because they don't know what they are talking about. Without a dedicated _classism_ against those rich imbeciles You won't succeed teaching 'em what there bloody *_is_* to talk about instead of their white privilege billshut.
@@manfredschmalbach9023 The right has dug its own whole in a sense. Without questioning wealth inequality and frankly people born into privilege having a big jump start over others that makes these middle class SJW types immune from any of their attacks.
Trevor has something that transcends any colour, he has intellect, warmth and humour.
Absolutely superbly put. This woke leftist nonsense will not divide good-natured people regardless of colour or creed.
Excellent and the best and clearest discussion of this issue - thank you Trevor and Andrew
Excellent video. Thanks
beautifully put
Trevor Phillips is an enemy to black people, he's no spokesperson for black people.
What I love about this? Two blokes, ignore what colour, two blokes who respect each other, like each other, and enjoy chin wagging with each other. What life should be all about, surely.....
That's what life was like for me growing up in the 90s and early 2000s. It was viewed as a superficial trait like eye colour you'd have to be an idiot to care about. Now though I'm more like basil fawlty thinking "don't mention the war". If i talk to a black person I don't know my head is literally swimming with a list of do's and don'ts, of feeling like i need to be on eggshells, thinking if I'll subtly offend them or if they'll kick off and thinking of race constantly. Tbh it's making me not want to bother getting to know black people. I don't want a weird asymetrical relationship full of hidden resentments so I don't bother.
@@joekoons5787 You say it was viewed as a superficial trait. You might have viewed it like that, others didnt. In the 1990s, a government report found the police to be institutionally racist, and led to changes in the law. The 1990s werent some racial utopia, youre just more aware now that it isnt, maybe
@@charmcottage5394 I certainly never considered the colour of a persons skin until this blew up. BLM are trying to stir up racial hatred for their own ends. like raising money so they can buy luxury properties in USA. as Trevor said it's a scam.
Clever Trevor, what a good egg, more sense spoken in ten minutes than I’ve heard in years a breath of fresh air.
Tells you exactly what you want to hear.! 🙄
@Tabitha Ford oh good heavens yes, I should coco.
@Tabitha Ford yes indeed by gingo, I do a splendid rendition
Black intellectuals like him remind me that my people are not all totally brainwashed 🙏
You have people? Nice. How does one acquire 'people'?
@@ppppugh7892 it was euiphism for “black” obviously im frrom the U.K so when i say “my peopl” im obviously refering to black people
@@mikeykanstenpoyy6523 because you are from the UK you refer to 'your people' as black people? As opposed to British people? This sounds to me like a continuation of segregation, why would you do that?
@@ppppugh7892 stop being pedantic Kansann Poyy ain't hurting anyone with his comment, I'm chuffed not all are supporting BLM nonsense like sheep...
@@shanecuzick4385 it is not pedantic, it's semantics. Are you 'his people'? Whose people are you? Just to continue the them'n'us theme perpetuating our society (I mean UK society, not black society).
Im white, earn less than minimum wage self employed and I live in the back of my Van so I don't have to sleep on the street. But I just want to be left alone to enjoy my white privilege please.
Ok when your done making an anecdotal argument we can talk about the socioeconomic facts that cause the black community more hardship, for the most part.
@@aiden7523 the socioeconomic argument is rubbish. The statistics are the same for all cultural groups if you remove the extranious variables.
@@mange2 what the hell are you saying? Are you seriously trying to deny the objective fact the blacks are systemically oppressed through the justice system and the after effects of redlining and Jim Crow?
you was lucky,we use to live in hole in ground
@@aiden7523 There is no objective fact that backs your statement. Show me reliable data and we can discuss it further if you would like. Unless you want to play the victim without facts to back you up...your choice. You cannot claim that a statement like that is "objective fact" without reliable data and sources.
I'm still waiting patiently for my white privelidge.
I want some of that as well
hehe! It's in the post! Should be arriving before Christmas!
You can have some of mine if you want, got bundles
@@paulies5407 so do I! Even though I'm only half white! I really can't figure out how this works!
Did you not order it on Amazon Prime?
Brilliant viewing. Blm is trying to cause devision. It's time we abandon them and that can start with no more kneeling in the PL
BLM is controlled by zionists within the democratic party
Its not just some group that formed out of thin air
Its meant to divide people by race and pidgeon-hole everyone into a specific (anti-white heterosexual Christian male) political ideology
BLM has caused so much division, it will take years and years to repair.
Booing means that you disapprove, hate something, it looks like some people never mastered basic behavior. So in booing you are pissing over the people that want to make a stand against racism. It is not a political statement, it is a problem in society. You do know that there's racism in football too or should we just turn a blind eye to that.
@@oilylampman7252 that is because some people use the words to means other lives dont matter, which is deflecting from the real issue. If you were to go to a demonstration against killing tigers because they are nearly extint and you started tochant tigers lives matter, you are not saying that other animals lives dont matter. You are just highlighting that that tiger are being targeted and killed. The same way that blm is highlighting how black people are targeted and killed by the police more than any other race, although black people make up only about 10percent of the entire American population.
Millwall fans are way ahead on that one!
thank heavens for Trevor, what a top bloke
he seems nice and reasonable for a leftist
Notice he is still all about black people - sorry, "people of colour" - and on board with overthrowing capitalism, and he isn't saying anything we didn't already know, so I don't see people here are getting all excited about him.
Its taken him decades to wake up though. Much of the problems started under his leadership of the Equalities quango.
@@pinklady3885 that’s not nice Ann, Trevor has always been a great diplomat and level headed.
@Sashabizz4 Ah but then he was being paid £175,000 per annum for his towing of the party line.
In my own workplace the 'equalities board' used to have 3 people's pictures on it. Now there are 27.
There was and is a lot of money being made in the race relations industry and if there is no problem there is no function for these people to fulfil.
Trevor doesn't need the money so he can now voice a more nuanced position.
Great video by two highly intelligent people. The BBC would never show this
If you think UK TV media is bad, try American media ...
BBC - British Brainwashing Corporation. War mongering since 1922.
Critical race theory, an awful export from pseudo academia in America. Us native Britons on the periphery have enough problems without wealthy bourgeosie telling us we are privileged.
Crikey... I didn't think the day would come that I agreed with Trevor Philips, but he is spot on when it comes to critical race theory and BLM.
This man will never be on the BBC - I can guarantee that, he talks a lot of sense rather than utter nonsense
Er... he’s on the Beeb a lot actually. He’s an intelligent bloke but he’s also a completely discredited spokesman for his community.
@@stevelangridge1755 When was he last on? I remember seeing him on Question Time pre lockdown where during a debate on woman's rights and the MeTo movement he talked about the need to address black rap artists attitudes towards woman in their music and lifestyle.
@@stevelangridge1755 He has not been discredited by his so-called community as you describe it, because he is not a spokesperson for every single black person in this country. The people who have discredited him are the ones who think all black people think the same and can be categorised by using the lazy term BAME to describe a diverse group of people. He is just one example of the diverse views that are out there and hopefully we will hear more of.
@@chrislaing8444 Your sophistry does not disguise the fact that he is discredited. You imply generalisations which of course never exist in totality. The point is that he has chosen to blame his own community for the racism it suffers. I don’t disagree with everything he says, such as people with white skins shouldn’t feel obliged to go round apologising all the time. But again, that’s just a statement about something which doesn’t, in practice, happen. I’m not apologising for past crimes for example. I can only decide not to commit any myself. He’s a clever charlatan who has found a niche popular with those who are ambiguous about opposing racism and I guess he’s decided that’s a way to make a living. Just an establishment servant, basically.
@@stevelangridge1755 If you think he represents the establishment you really haven't been paying attention. Also, what's the black 'community'. There are 2.3 million black people in Britain from a variety of backgrounds. You think they should all share the same beliefs?
Absolutely he is. Hope Trevor Phillips
he will run for London Mayor and bring London some desperately needed sanity and safety
LOL he is a lefty. He would be better than Khan but not much.
He did run for Mayor once, he would be a much better candidate than Khan.
Yeah, I am up for Trevor Phillips as Mayor....what a wonderful alternative he would make to that idiot Khan
Having pre-conceived ideas about someone because of the colour of their skin....didn't I hear somewhere that was wrong?
-Trevor Phillips quite clearly shows that it is the way you behave that counts and not your skin colour, a real nice bloke, we could all learn from Him.
Amazing work. I went to school in England and as a Irish man no 1 called me by my first name. I was called paddy every day by black white asians .it was no big deal I got on with life and it made me the man I am today...
well done paddy
Nice one O'Shea
So when can we use the term "White Community" without being condemned, please Good Sirs?
@@williamtaylor5193 exactly. Because the societies which these people create on their own without whites are invariably hell holes.
You can use the term; "White Community" when you forelock tug, take a knee, and produce mixed race children, whilst apologising for your white privilege.
@@katherinestott685
When we are forever...a minority.
Every other answer Is merely peripheral, to your core statement, including my own.
Not people of colour, can't use a colour to describe them!
I'm still looking for my White Privilege.
@Hugh Jones 😂😂😂
Me too
Because you're blinded by it. How often have you been spat at while walking down the street to buy groceries? How many jobs have you been denied because you're not a part of the majority? It's not as big a problem here in the UK but in North America it's a completely different story.
Yes I agree, somehow people have managed to ignore that the white working class live in the poorest areas.
How much is it now ?
Is it index - linked ?
Sorry, I am now aware that figures are racist.
I love the way England is portrayed as being racist, yet the line of foreigners wishing to come here is endless, go figure
Gentlemen. This important discussion deserves many more views. Schools etc. Thank you. I wish you and your families a safe, peaceful and joyous Christmas.
Great way of putting it!
But unfortunately, no one listens to Trevor...
I am.........
@@simonsouthgate8374 Hello Simon! Of course you are! Me too! :D
@@just_another32 Hello Victoria, hope you are well ! Alas Trevor is not seen as worthy of exposure on the MSM, perhaps as he like so many others
of us, does not buy into the BLM propoganda, he is a critical thinker and that in itself destroys the editorial approach of the talking heads.......
So we were both right and both wrong..........the election is still up for grabs................
@@simonsouthgate8374 Yes that sounds about right!
I haven't been following the US election. Do you really think there's a possibility the result could change? I do find the claims of fraud (the snippets that I have heard) quite compelling. But it would need to have been on a mass scale, wouldn't it?
@@just_another32 It ain’t over ‘til it’s over. 😊
Trevor deserves credit for reaching across divides to talk to people, there's no way forward without other people doing similarly.
It’s a shame that he spent most of his career opening the floodgates to the race grifters he’s criticising
Do you see divides? I see us as all in it together and no real distance between us. Maybe it's all about perceptions
@@dmd7472 Maybe you’re just deluded
@@andylewis7360 deluded about what? I bet you're not brave enough to say what the delusion is? Go on I dare you to be brave enough to spell out the delusion in clear terms, or are you just a keyboard warrior😂
@@dmd7472 Deluded that we’re all “ in it together “ whatever your vague logical faculties regard as “it” Your original post exhibits exactly the kind of half-think BS rhetoric that Blah-blah Bliar used to spout. It meant nothing then and it means nothing now. Your delusion is exactly the puddle-shallow reasoning process that leads you to the knee-jerk conclusion that it is not only desirable but actually practicable for every person to “be equal”, when it’s patently obvious to anybody with a fully functioning brain that neither is the case. I think I’ve made myself clear enough to be comprehended by a cretin so I suppose there’s an outside chance of a programmed NPC drone like you a least getting the gist
As just an average person I found this interview very interesting and honest. Thank you.
NIce to see Trevor bringing some sense to the party
Everyone can see their intentions, enjoyed G. Floyd situation to the max, any movement using colour is racist
The irony of saying 'stop apologising for being white', while in the same breath using the nonsense term "people of colour" (Newspeak for 'everyone except whites').
White and black are tones, not colours according to my old school art teacher. I am pink and my wife is a light yellow so I guess we are 'people of colour'.
Trevor Phillips makes some great points . And reminds me of the extinction rebellion mobs who think they are the only ones who have concerns for the planet , while they fly off to various parts of the world eating food covered in palm oil , etc
The prevailing UN narrative “Mankind is bad and needs to be saved from itself” must be preserved at all costs. Otherwise, how can The Great Reset be sold effectively?
they are in fact far left thugs
Great conversation. I wish we could have this articulated conversation in the US--but people only want to hear their own voices over here. And they shout. A lot.
Feed up with British msm telling me im racist because im British and white.
Its disgusting and getting out of hand.
MSM do lik to stir up Racism don't they
I am fed up with ticking the box rich people getting richer not paying their taxes , i do not do modern speech I have to keep asking my daughter what it means ,then a new thing comes along ,I feel like I am on a different planet.and greta thunberg should be in school her parents have screwed her up good. did you know babies are racist now,sorry for the rant
As a long-time racist I am livid that everyone else has been co-opted into what I always considered an exclusive club. 😅😅😅😅😅
Critical race theory is nonsense however it seems to have massive traction everywhere and that's what makes it so dangerous
Because like all marxist ideology, it appeals to the lowest common denominator
I love listening to two intelligent, educated and informed people having a discussion.
What a lot of sense this wonderful man speaks.........
I'm a white chap & Trevor spoke for me, I do feel like 'giving up', I've always fought racism, but this latest crop of 'protestors' seem to hate me so much, I'm thinking, OK, you can go on your way now, I'm out! Why do they want to split us up intro groups, I always hoped that we would come together - they're idiots!
Thank goodness for you Andrew and Trevor.. we do need voices to represent how the silent majority truly feels!
I am always so impressed by Trevor Phillps
A man of integrity and old school left views.
Thank God for Trevor Phillips and intelligent people akin to him, regardless of colour/ethnicity.
This needs to be shown in ALL universities and schools.
@Zebediah The Baptist Yeah, you're probably right with that one. Well said.
Trevor's always a joy to listen to - he's articulate, well-read, dignified, full of integrity, and reasonable. And I'm saying this despite hating what he did in support of Tony Blair's government.
there you gentlemen were having a great debate,thank you I have been in lockdown since end of January 2020, and I have had the opportunity to try and educate myself.I was ill just before lockdown started so I have health problems and disabilitys,and THIS may sound nuts how many countries have had their history changed .My theory is some people must have changed it for some reason.I am an older person and my vocabulary is not up to all this woke cancel culture stuff,I do not mean to give offence but I do not do modern speak .
George Floyd has not been proven yet to have died because of the officer, just a technicality you should focus on to stop yourself getting in trouble...
There is certainly no proof he was killed because he was black.
You're a lunatic.
@@lawsonj39 so please provide the evidence that George Floyd was killed by the police because he was black instead of just jumping straight to an ad hominem.
@@lawsonj39 Mind you his vile criminal career has come to an end. Every cloud etc
George Floyd died of an overdose of Fentanyl, proven by autopsy.
How utterly refreshing to hear from Trevor. A truly intelligent man who rarely appears on mainstream media as he doesn't fit their narrative of racism. Great guy
What a breath of fresh air in this debate gentlemen , thank you so much👍.
Well said that man!
As mixed race woman I Totally agree with Trevor!
His explaining what I'm thinking and feel.
I'm a white guy, can anyone point me in the direction of this land of privilege? I haven't come across it as of yet. Fingers crossed though.
me toi
You would never see a sensible, extended interview on this subject on the BBC. Sad
What a fabulous interview. I whole heartedly agree as I grew up mixed race in York... a very white city where I was chased home every day by a racist bully. People just suffered, but I love my country and we have come a long way to how it used to be. I've not received any negative race hate since I was a teenager and my children never went through any of what I did.
Fantastic,I am and stand with both gentlemen
Respect to Andrew Neil ... one of the few journalists I actually trust! Trevor Phillips comes close!
Brilliant interview Andrew, thank you.
@ 5:12 - "It's great for the academics, who sell books ..." Indeed.
Trevor Phillips radiates integrity and stature in this documentary. He has a great passion for tackling racial injustice but isn't blinded to his own past policy mistakes, is seeking improvement and listening to feedback not blocking it out. The school principal at the end was outstanding and it's good to see preferential policies based on ethnic cohort can be useful if adaptable to needs and equally applied to all cohorts as needed regardless of background.
The only problem with this approach is that it's top-down and relies on placing discriminatory authority in government bodies that have a poor record in correcting course (see, grooming gangs), nor does this address the problem of high levels of immigration. I hope Phillips gets traction, where he is coming from with his conversation is the right start.
A truly balanced, level-headed and educated point of view, well done Mr Phillips.
Retaliating against hatred with your own hatred, just makes you a hater yourself and therefore the same as those you hate.
People who only talk s#*!e always have to shut other people's views down, people with something worthwhile and honest to say don't need to. They speak like Trevor Phillips.
Thank you. Two voices of common sense in a mad mad world.
Yes let's have some truth about slavery. Who were selling the slaves in Africa? Who were the slave traders in Africa?
Thank you Gentlemen,,you both held my interest,,you both are good speakers ! I am in the USA and hope to visit Britain one day.
I literally love this man and always have. He's literally my hero. From my part of London, smart, intelligent, composed and an all round great guy ❤️
some actual intelligent people talking about race over the last few years. so refreshing. people are getting tired of always being called racist for the colour of their skin or a victim because they're black. this needs to become mainstream. wake up people.
2 great people full of common sense the media is lacking people like these two
I’m white working class don’t feel like a supremacist
That just shows your ignorance 😂
I love the idea of defunding the police, when your house is getting robbed at 2am who you gonna call? Ghostbusters?
I used to watch Andrew Neil on This Week.I thought he was great....This is even better.Sensible mature debate almost a conversation.A credit to Trevor Phillips too.No rude interjections,no shouting and no political point scoring and best of all....NO WOKENESS..Loving listening to these
Trevor Phillips, who has spent his life in tireless struggle for the empowerment and recognition of Trevor Phillips.
Slavery is a sin of the world. Been going on for thousands of years. History tells you the struggle and cheapness of life in those times. No one gave it a thought, that was just life and survival.
Western Society was first to abolish slavery, far ahead of Africa and Asia. Theres no Africans in the middle east despite the middle east holding alot more slaves, because they were used in Wars and killed, instead of given farmlife in the US.
As a black man he keeps saying people of colour, the FA boss got sacked for saying that.
However this guy is really good
Its farcical, I recall being told to use the word colour and not black some 20yrs ago. Now its the complete opposite 🤣
the fa guy got the sack 4 saying coloured people.
@@Foxtrottangoabc i remember getting thr cane in school 4 calling african people black and not coloured
I'm yet to recieve my white privalidge
Its there with mine.......
Apparently it’s invisible if you haven’t undertaken Unconscious Bias Training. NOT that I suggest you DO!!
When you can get access to a spell check facility then you will be able to claim your white privilege. I doubt, however, that many Spectator readers have ever encountered victimisation except when dishing it out!
@@anthonyrybicki1000 beg your pardon predicted txt do sent make me ignorant but what BLM represents does
I'm sorry I'm White and I find it an insult to say how nasty and racist I am. I'll stand with anyone that gets called the N word I'll not have it.
I judge everyone equally, live and let live until they do me no good.
But don't blame me get educated work hard and surround yourselves with positive people.
Wow what a guy!! I’m speechless made my day listening to TP 👍
Can we trade in diane Abbott for another Trevor please! Great conversation. Thanks!
Bit like trading trash for treasure, would be nice though.
Not one thing in this country is better now than when i grew up in the 80s.
Someone show Lewis Hamilton this please so I can watch F1 again!
If Hamilton's views make you stop watching F1 then you need to grow up you utter snowflake.
@@harrymail7 I need to grow up?? Watching F1 since '85 & as far as I remember it has never been a political sport nor guilted into it by a complete hypocrite & narcissist! If anyone needs to grow up or stop being snowflakey it's the blind fangirls of hypocrite Hamilton, like you! 😉
I know. What a mug he is!!!! Bore off!
@@harrymail7 exactly what I wanted to say. What a fucking fragile snowflake this twat is 🤣
How sensible is Trevor Phillips, great to listen to this.
Two intelligent men having an intelligent conversation. Really enjoyed that.
Two intelligent gents having a sensible conversation about race. How refreshing.
A RW circle jerk confirming each others bias'. Of course you find it 'sensible' and 'refreshing'. No reflection on reality.
@@itazura6406 Trevor Phillips is and has always been on the left...
@@namelessnobody7611 #2 Just like RINO's he's on the Left in name only. Do some research and stop reporting my comments just 'cause you can't handle the truth.
@@itazura6406 Reporting?
@@itazura6406 Trevor Phillips has a history of nuance when it comes to race and I certainly don’t agree with some of his views (including those expressed in this video) but his wider political beliefs have always been left-wing. I am left-wing myself and by no means was my intention to join the crowds of bigots dismissing what I believe to be a very real issue. I’m not too sure why you’re being so aggressive however; I haven’t reported anything...
No-one knelt on Floyd's neck. His arm was knelt on by one leg to pin him down, and the other leg's dead weight was placed over the back of his neck. He wasn't murdered.
And even if he was it had no relation to his race.
yeah didn't the guy die of a overdose or something like that?
Still , didn’t look very comfortable, do you not think ?
@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 I get the impression nobody knows, though everyone's got an opinion. He had plenty of drugs in his system, but I think the autopsy says not enough drugs to overdose. According to the autopsy he had 'severe atherosclerosis', as well. So those two things, combined with panic at being caught, seemed to trigger something.
The footage of the time he was arrested last year is fascinating: ruclips.net/video/oEc3TKTI4yI/видео.html . He goes through the same routine: not obeying the simple command to show both hands, repeatedly saying "don't shoot me". The police had to threaten him with tazers to stop him swallowing drugs. Then once he is hand-cuffed he keeps wimpering "mama". It's obviously an act he had for distracting the police while hiding or disposing of drugs. Some people think he swallowed the drugs this year and that the package burst in his stomach.
@@mariapalmer5671 Of course not. It couldn't have helped, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was a hindrance. And even if it was a hindrance, that's still a long way away from murder or racist murder. If he'd simply sat in the car, which is all they wanted him to do, he might have been okay, though I suspect not. I think he was going through something that couldn't be stopped. But I don't know.
I'm 22, I fear when clubs open back up their will be a moment where we are asked to kneel for blm. I will refuse. But I fear the consequences, I fear being beaten up or worse. But I must stand up for British values
Stand up for yourself. I wouldn't kneel for anyone or political belief, . Except for the Queen, and probably Kate .. definitely Kate 🙂
Just go to the toilet
@@lulusbackintown1478 Isn't that what they'd want tho? Me being scared to stand up for my beliefs
@@hnxry_752 what they want is your compliance. For you personally if you think you are in a dangerous situation you remove yourself from it.
@@lulusbackintown1478 Yeah I understand what you mean but I would feel obliged to stand up no matter what
I love this! Honest down to earth talking!! Let's have more of this.
I love this interview, open and honest, and it has fact behind it !
The BLM needs to talk about the privilege of the "Privileged tribes" in Africa🙄
My very privileged grand father abandoned his village in the mountain to go work at the factory in the valley, my also very privileged father studied at 36, with 2 kids at home, as he was working in the same factory, to become an engineer so his family progresses. As their son and grand son and a white privileged young man, I studied hard, worked even harder during 25 years to pay for our flat and so my kids have good studies. At 52, I'm working 12 hours per day to maintain my privileged job, for the next 4 years so I can have a decent privileged retirement.
Trevor Phillips is top Geezer and is so easy to like.
Just a shame he's a southerner. 😄
Southerners Lives Matter
@@RfnBorth true. But only to southerns 😄
I am privileged no matter what colour I am because Iv'e had good health & a loving family.
Thank heavens we have people like Trevor and Andrew putting this problem in to perspective
Black lives matter do nothing for racism keep going chaps I’m not sure you’re going to win but whatever you do don’t stop trying
Thank you for this discussion. Really made me think. Very well said.
I’m still waiting for my white privilege card, hasn’t come in the mail yet!!
Good segment, although I found Andrew's "we've still got a long way to go" comment rather nauseating.
He's far more dangerous than BLM.
No you never apologise Andrew!!
Thank you for having these conversations.
Refreshing to hear this discussed plainly.
These people SIMPLY dont live in the real world
I really want Andrew to interview Kehinde Andrews about this.
Trevor you are so bright and right !!
Refreshing, coherently incisive perspectives.