Not so sure I agree. Sure the 2500 handled the trailer better than the F150, but they didn't even have a weight distributing hitch let alone an anti-sway system. I think for the average guy, the smaller truck is the better fit. If hauling all the time, then the HD diesel would be the way to go.
@@atokarchik big truck and big RV are spot on. I have a TT that I have towed with a half ton, 3/4 ton gas and now a 1 ton diesel. There is absolutely no way I would ever tow and enclosed trailer with a half ton ever again.
Diesel will win every day of the week. Much more torque, but takes less rpm to make it. They are super efficient which is why anything that moves a bunch of weight uses them. The hd gas trucks are probably going to be around 8-10 mpg with that same trailer. They are just gas guzzlers in general, but especially with a trailer. With my experience towing a 30 foot 5th wheel the lowest ive seen the mpg get through the mountains and stuff was around 12.5(granted this is what the truck says no hand calculated). Unloaded the same truck gets 14 in the city and hit 19 on the highway. The gas trucks just can't do that. It's all about price. Gas trucks are cheaper to get and maintain, but the downsides are pretty big
@@erikkovacs3097 that all depends on what your towing and how often imho and what kinda comfort level you want in general theres pros and cons to both but if you simple question is which one pulls better duh 2500 Diesel always wins
@@HVTMuddvain Leaving 3/4 tons aside if this test were between 2 1/2 tons (1 diesel, 1 gas) the difference would have been even larger. My point is that the higher upfront cost, higher fuel cost per gallon and higher maintenance costs are dwarfed by the fuel savings when towing. That is why all professionals making money towing all drive diesels (ok maybe some CNG but that's rare).
I'm starting my homework on this subject. I'm not a tech person, don't know what hp vs ft/lb torque means. I do know numbers like the ones calculated in this video vs the ones each truck displayed. As much as I like the idea of a diesel and what it can do for pulling a camper. I don't know how long it would take to recover the extra $10k cost (and maintenance) when a gas engine could pull the same camper. Waiting for the TFL gas/ diesel 2500 challenge. Equal trim levels too. That might tip me over to that Cummins
When towing, the LZ0 (gen 2) 3.0 Duramax uses a lot of def. Like, a lot. In fact with a solid load of say 8000 pounds which is reasonable, it blows through DEF like crazy. Now, it’s a nice tow and a beautiful engine, but even with the higher MPG of the Powerboost when towing, the price of diesel and the cost of 3/4 of a bottle of DEF per diesel fill (again only when towing) quickly eats up any price benefit for highway towing. Around town, the Powerboost is phenomenal, but I have to say I was impressed with MPG I could get on feeder roads with 70kph to 80kph speed limits.
I recently purchased a 2021 2500HD Duramax, coming from a 2011 F150 5.0 V8, towing only a 25' 6000lb gvwr travel trailer, and it is a huge difference in towing and mileage. I was white knuckling driving the F150, compared to a mostly relaxing tow with the Duramax. But I live where its constant 30-40mph winds with 50mph gusts.
@@philipparana9225 haha. If only it were that simple. I had an Eqalizer WD hitch that cost about $900 and the winds in northern Michigan would put me in the shoulder sometimes or I had to pull the trailer brakes. 3/4 ton that doesn’t happen
I hate the wind. My enclosed toy trailer is about 5000 lbs loaded and I tow it with a 2011 Ram 1500. I do have a sway control bar but I feel like I'm maxed out and wouldn't want to tow a pound heavier, don't care what it's rated for.
Would LOVE to see this gas mileage comparison with all the half-ton diesel trucks on the market - Ram 3.0L EcoDiesel - GM 3.0L Duramax (GMC or Chevy) - Ford 3.0L Powerstroke
@@EricFortuneJr. , yep, no more Ford small diesel in the US at least. GM announced a new version of their 3.0 for 2023, I wonder what improvements it will get? Most reviewers seem to love the GM engine.
The GM is buttery smooth, great mpg and tows well. We have one at work as the shop truck. Only annoying thing is that if you ever have to do timing or pull the timing cover for a leak it’s set up like a semi with the timing in the rear.
I love these videos as they are REAL WORLD tests and very informative on the critical aspects of each vehicle. One idea I have is perhaps an overlanding setup. I know it's easier to just hitch up a trailer but having a camper setup on these trucks would help as well for those considering overlanding as I am for a possible huge part of abusiness venture.
Good stuff! Would’ve been interesting to see the unloaded fill-up coasts for the same trucks on the same day & route. Might be able to nail down the crossover point where someone could grade the expense based on the percentage of time spent towing.
They both get similar fuel mileage unladen . That 6.7 is a sipper on the highway. I have had both. Both about 20 mpg hwy unladen. But diesel + DEF vs gasoline price. Not towing, gasoline all day. In town that hybrid impresses on economy, but the 3.5 is the worst fuel mileage towing. Powerful but terrible towing fuel economy. I tow once per mo or less, so F150 Powerboost for me. (My current truck.) Tow all the time? = Diesel HD Tow occasionally only? = F150 Powerboost
Excellent video. You showed how the extra stability of a 3/4 ton makes towing much easier despite the trailer being well within the manufacturer's rating for the F150. Proves that just because you can, it does not mean you should! Good to see Kent on the channel too!
Great comparison for anyone looking into the smaller trucks. Impressive numbers for a 1/2T. I’ll probably always have my 1T diesels, but it’s cool seeing how far these 1/2T trucks have come.
Yep. I've owned at least one 3/4 or 1 ton truck since 1996. My first was a F350 with a 460 and 5 speed. Next was a 1995 Powerstroke 5 speed and I've had multiples of every Powerstroke made since with a couple 12 valves and 24 valve mixed in. The 3.5 EcoBoost pulls stronger than some of those trucks. Personally it feels plenty stable up to 10,000 lbs. Anything over that and I grab the Superduty keys.
Here in Scotland, UK, the towing speed limit is 60mph for ANY vehicle type. Also that's only on a "dual carriageway ", ie a road with two or more lanes in each direction, with a median divide in between. On a two way road that reduces to 50 mph for all vehicles. That's whether you're a 'big rig' or Mini with a tent camper!
Lol, for real, truck prices have become insane. But I'm happy with my Ford Maverick. Small truck, good gas mileage, and pretty affordable when compared to the alternatives. $26k with all of the options I picked for it.
I like the video I learned a lot from the video. But what if you guys did the same video with the Ford F250 with Godzilla engine, because some of us viewers aren’t too thrilled about the extra cost of the diesel so is there a way of trying the same comparison with the Ford XLT Godzilla engine?
Great video. Although some may argue it's cheaper to tow with a diesel but the cost of owning a diesel is considerably higher then the half ton. To buy a diesel to tow only a camper or boat on weekends would not make any sense .
You make a good point. But if you are financially able to make that purchase, the diesel truck will also hold its value longer, especially given a higher mileage on the truck.
It all depends on your specific needs. If you only tow light loads occasionally and use your truck as a daily driver it would be ridiculous to get a rough riding hd. If you tow heavy loads most of the time than get the 2500.
Excellent comparison guys. Even with the difference in price per gallon, there was quite a difference in the total cost. You should come up to Eastern Canada right now, we are currently paying $2.59 per liter or $9.80 per US Gallon. So it's making it hard on everyone! Great video, stay safe.
Did anyone else notice at about the 7:37 mark in the video. When they showed the dash in the Ford. It said 0 miles on the electric motor used. I was made to believe that the electric motor was to accentuate the gas motor to improve torque and mileage. Apparently that's not the case in tow/haul mode. It seems just gas motor is used...
Thank you. I really enjoy these comparisons. Keep them coming. Have you ever done a direct Ike Gauntlet towing comparison of the regular Cummins versus the H/O Cummins? I'd like to see that. The smaller RV's are being offered with the 3.5 L Ecoboost V6 (Godzilla or diesels in the bigger RV's). Generally, the customer has no choice. Is the 3.5 L Ecoboost a smart engine choice or should the RV manufacturers be offering something different? I am suggesting a definitive test like you do.
Good idea. As someone with a HO Cummins SRW truck I would like to see that. I suspect less than 15000lbs the SO Cummins may do better and the HO above that
Great episode. You need to do the same comparison on the IKE. A lot of us over or under buy a truck for one reason or another. Lost of diesel owners buy too much truck for their needs where a lot of 1/2 ton owners push their limits. It is nice to see some runs not a t full capacity but at what most of us use our vehicles for.
@@freedomisntfree_44the lacking g point of that ram is the JUNK 68rfe, and the soft payload. 5k on the front axle vs 5k split between front an rear, is a huge difference. My 8500lb fifthwheel rv has been pulled by four different trucks(1999 F250 Powerstroke SCLB, 2016 3.5EB CCSB, 2019 F350 6.7L CCLB, 2020 F350 6.7L CCSB) the new diesels have no comparison, and the 3.5EB was faster off the line than the old 7.3, its a much better towing truck even being 125hp short(500lbft@1600 is better than 420lbft@2800). Front axle leads the truck , rear axle leads the trailer. More vehicle is better when hauling a heavy trailer. The payloads are close only because the ram is an 7800lb truck riding on a 10k GVWR. My 2020 is a 8300lb truck riding on a 12.4k GVWR. Axles are 6000f and 7350r(13350 combined) where it's 3800f and 3800r on most F150s(3850f, 4800r w/HDPP)
Good to see Mr Truck and Andre together. Also very happy to see you guys mentioning the size and type of trailer you are towing is far more important than just the weight. Half Ton trucks are just not heavy enough and built to tow big campers and enclosed trailers at higher speeds. You can get by with it if you’re only towing local or less than Interstate speeds but there’s no comparison to an HD.
Wish I could bring my tuck on the show, one of a kind 2011 ecoboost f150 ecoboost the 22nd to be exact manufactured on Jan 10th that is an 8,000 lbs big boy with a ten speed and towing rear air suspension with a humongous 13"x3-½" quarter inch thick frame and lots of other cool rare features, basically built entirely around towing and has a helluva story behind it
Okay so I did the math, pricing diesel at $5 per gallon and gas at $4, towing, youd save an extra $9000 in fuel costs per 100k miles using the diesel over the Ford, and a 4000 gallon difference in usage, so less trips to the pump as well
You forgot to include DEF cost which is at least 3-5 cents more per mile on top of the fuel cost. Diesel engines also cost significantly more than gas to maintain repair. Filters, sensors, everything costs more on a Diesel, this is all in addition to the higher up front cost you pay for the drivetrain. If you're heavy hauling every other day with your truck then yes, by all means get diesel powertrain, but spending and extra 30k-50k over the lifetime of a truck just so you can get a few more MPG on a camper trailer you haul maybe four to six times a year is silly IMHO.
@@RiggyRonnie work comes in all shapes and sizes, if you tow a lot obviously diesel starts to make more sense. Probably shouldn’t be watching YT and commenting while driving at freeway speeds though.
My 2020 F250 HCTTP(10800lb GVWR) is 8100lbs curb gets, 24-26mpg empty can tow 21,900(30,000lbs GCWR) Has a 2900lb payload(door sticker) 3" reciever (22k rated on SRW) its basically a lighter GVWR F350. 6320lb rear axle rating. Same axle and springs as the F350 with he 7350lb. I towed my 8500lbs fifthweel from Southern Ontario to PEI and back last summer and averaged 17.2L/100k(13.67mpg) for the 3700km(2300 mile) trip. My trailer is 8ft wide and 12-6" high. The 10 speed makes a world of difference, especially because of the smaller steps, and extra torque(1050lbft@1600) the highrst BMEP is around 1700rpm, that's where the engine is most efficient(most torque at the slowest rpm) that's why diesels are better on fuel,
I have a 2019 f150, reg cab 8' bed 4x4 2.7 ecoboost, and when I tow my 27' triple axle gooseneck flatbed, I can definitely feel the trailer behind me slowing down but the torque of the little ecoboost is so much more noticeable than my dad's v10 f250.
2x 20lb propane tanks only weigh about 30lbs, but yea wetting a trailer down of that size could easily add another 500lbs, throw in all the other shit you take camping and you're looking at 1,000-1,500 lbs on top of the trailer weight.
You guys should get a spectral analyzer app for your sound tests. It won't capture dB as accurately, but it will show where the noises are in the spectrum. That gives you a better idea of quality of sound in addition to quantity.
That's the way I do it with my 18eb towing a 28ft 5th wheel. Most conditions I use 8th, headwind I stick with 7th. It will pull in the higher gears but fuel mileage doesn't go up so I donr lug the engine.
That makes a lot of sense (locking out the upper gear or two). Boosted gasoline engines generally need to run a little richer as the boost levels increase to control cylinder temp/reduce pre-detonation. In the lower gears there is more mechanical advantage available to the engine so it doesn’t need to do as much ‘work’ on each stroke ie: elevated boost level. Moral of the story…minimize boost level to maximize efficiency.
I would like to see a comparison of all your trucks and what it cost to drive them for the year. Cost of fuel, conditions used, daily driving and towing. To get a real world idea of what might be best long haul. What's best for towing, best for daily, and fun factor!
And what does that 2500 get unladen? I'm guessing 15ish? Also, how many times are people hauling camping trailers per year but driving the truck around unladen or even a daily driver?
I would love to see an offshoot channel with just Andre and Mr.Truck. Dedicated to all manner of trucks, trailers towing and even farm equipment. That would be great and they are an awesome duo
Now we need to see an HD gasser vs a half ton. Does a bigger gas v8 get better mileage towing that trailer.. btw, that’s a proper load for half ton towing to really work them, not the flat beds with whatever loaded onto them. The wind resistance along with the weight is a great test.
Easy conclusion. If you drive 90% of your time hauling heavy trailers on log distances - get the HD diesel If you drive 90% of your time from here to there mostly city and rarely with a trailer - get the electric truck (rent a diesel truck for when you need long distance towing needs)
I saw an average of 16.8mpg in my diesel with 5 guys in the truck (full of hunting gear) and pulling 3000lb trailer from colorado to texas. Then I saw about 21mpg from colorado to california with just two people in the truck and unloaded. Not bad for a 19 ram diesel 2500.
Your one lucky guy, or you have a very unique Ram/Cummins! My 19 3500 Limited with the HO Cummins can get 21 on the highway empty, or with a modest load in the back, but even with my 5,000 lb 8x20 cargo trailer on back empty, pulls the highway fuel economy down to 11 or 12 mpg. Hook up my 41’ 5th wheel toyhauler and it’s down to 9. No one I know gets the kind of towing mileage your talking about with a stock Ram/Cummins. Better hang on to that one.
@@razorsedgeadventures6599 I’ve got 4 guys watching in amazement. We all traded driving to Texas and back. They were all astonished at the mpg we were getting out of this truck. I know for sure we were way over the payload but she just pulled like a freight train. She’s completely stock Down to the tires besides the ARE topper.
That's the same mileage my dually gets hauling a single slide truck camper and a car trailer with car. Only difference is I run about 65 tops. The real point I see here is just because fuel is cheaper. Doesn't mean you are saving money. I'd like to see you run the same test with a 1500 ecodiesel.
Sounds about right, I borrowed a 6.7 dually to pick up a car out of state. Unloaded with open deck trailer (w/ front air deflector) I got 15.5mpg, and on the return trip with the car I saw 15mpg even. The truck camper likely accounts for that difference.
I was always told you can never have too much truck. I'm glad y'all took it out on flat land. Driving through the hill country or in the city would not show the effect of the wind on the truck and trailer. Personally, I'd want the 2500 because of the weight and stability that comes with it.
As someone who tows three or four times per year, diesel just doesn't make sense. It's crazy to pay all that extra cost up front and then be stuck with a giant lumbering truck for the rest of the year. Not to mention the fact that the hybrid is recovering energy when braking all that weight. TFL always talks about the value of engine braking while towing. With a hybrid you would want to be braking to maintain speed on down hill sections so you could harvest that energy. Another benefit of the hybrid would be the built in generator when boon docking. You could plug your trailer into the truck and run anything you want with much less noise than a conventional generator.
I am very surprised by the F-150 hybrid MPG towing. I have a 2012 F-150 with a 3.5l ecoboost with a similar weight trailer and average ~10mpg towing at 65-70 (primarily from NM to CO with lots of steep grades). I would like to see the same comparison with a regular ecoboost compared with the 1/2 ton Duramax.
I think at times they say what they're already going to say it, of course the 3/4 ton is going to tow a little more stable but I'm still seeing that camper sway even with 3/4 ton
Some of the sway you see in Rams is from the panhard bar they use on the 4 link suspension. They really should have gone with a watts link so the rear end would have zero side to side movement. I have a Ram BTW. The panhard bar is my least favorite thing about the truck.
It’s my opinion big gas engines get better gas mileage towing than small gas engines. I got 9.5 mpg both ways on a trip from Atlanta to Denver last July with my 2020 F250/7.3L/3.55 towing a 7600 lb trailer at about 72mph avg. Not too bad. It’s way better than what I hear folks are getting towing similar trailers with smaller engined half tons. The smaller engines might get better mileage unloaded but It’s down to engine rpm when towing. Those smaller engines really have to wind up. My 7.3 is really turning relatively low rpm’s for a gasser. High torque, tall final drive ratio, and the 10 speed with three OD’s makes this possible.
Wonder how your truck would do for fuel efficiency with the 4.30 axle Ratio, or do you feel like the 3.55 does just fine? That new 7.3 Godzilla would be the way I'd go in a 3/4 ton truck...not a fan of the diesel stuff especially when diesel is $5+/gal plus the cost of DEF, and all the added costs associated with a diesel in the maintenance/service side too. With vehicle prices outrageously over-priced right now no way I'd buy anything anyways, but fuel prices alone are bad enough LOL.
I’m not sure what the 4.30 gets. I suspect a little lower but probably not too much worse. It probably spends more time in the higher OD gears with the same load. I have a 2001 Chevy 2500 with the 8.1L and 4.10 gears. It has the Allison 5 speed with only 1 OD gear. It feels much quicker off the line than my F250 with a load but it’s spinning a good bit faster at interstate speeds. I’m lucky to get 8.5 Mpg with the wind behind me. 7.5 - 8 mpg is normal with a 7600 lb trailer. I don’t tow anything over 14k lbs so I took the 3.55 on the Ford and extra gas mileage and I’d do it again. It gets 16mpg hwy unloaded in the summer.
@@flamarlamb Great information thanks for the reply. I don't tow too heavy either, so the 3.55 would fit me just fine as well then, I might max out around 8000lbs but only on occasion. Mostly around the 5-7k weight.
Question. Same trailer. Same course. What would an F150 3.5 ecoboost with tow package do one that test? Mine is also an XLT package. 2020. Why I am asking. I am thinking about getting an small toy hauler. Thanks.
If only occasionally towing a travel trailer but using the truck daily around town, then I’d say, I’m fine with paying the half ton gas premium when I do tow. I can buy a lot of gas for the amount of money that the price delta between these two models represents. Even if the ford was a Lariat, loaded up, it still wouldn’t be close to the price of the diesel. The price calculation when you factor a city/towing use ratio of 90/10 or an 80/20 use distribution, then I’d suggest that little case can be made for the heavy duty from an objective use case provided what you are towing falls within the weight range of a 1/2 ton. The Powerboost platinum compared to a 3.0 Duramax Silverado HighCountry (also loaded) would be a trickier calculation IMHO. But still the Powerboost for every day use will absolutely be superb for around town use most of the time, that 3.0 Duramax is fantastic on the highway for MPG if you are not towing. While it will beat the ecoboost with towing MPG, it’s still not as simple as, “diesel is better” because the 3.0 Duramax when towing will use nearly a bottle of DEF per tank which strips its cost advantage near totally between that and the higher cost of diesel.
It's swaying because the hitch height has the nose down slightly putting more weight on the front trailer axle than on the rear. It's the same as being tail heavy.
Why do do you tow without a weight distribution, sway control hitch? Its unsafe and it makes a good truck tow like crap, with wind and big rigs passing.
With the 1/2 ton pickup and tall trailer suspension with that hitch will exaggerate operator skill…The 3/4 ton diesel and all the heavier running gear can not compare. The price of diesel is crazy since it’s a by product of gas refining, remember when it was dumped on roads?… Thank you for sharing your research.
I have an older ram, 1500 5.7l Hemi. I tow a 2.6 metric tonne trailer at around 11.5 mpg. Thought that was pretty good, as I drive it without trailer at around 15 mpg.
Ecoboosts tow very well with all that torque, but they are thirsty when under load. If you're towing a lot they are not for you. If you are towing relatively short distances on the weekend in the summer they will almost certainly make up for that thirst and then some with their efficiency in the rest of your driving. It just depends on what your needs are. OEM Ford shocks are also not good for towing. I put Bilsteins in the rear on mine and it made it much more planted and stable.
That is the first time I have ever heard that the OEM Ford shocks aren't good for towing. I have the FX4 package on my 21 and the shocks seem adequate to me.
@@kristoferbrown8007 I don’t know about the newer trucks or FX4 shocks specifically, but F-150 forums are loaded with owners complaining about how bad the shocks are in general. One of my rears was already blown at only 20k miles.
Yep, eco or boost. If you stay in boost with a trailer, lookout mpg. Even if you have to lockout high gears or go slower, you HAVE to stay out of boost if you want to keep your mpg in the double digits with a sail of a TT behind you. Auto trailers are a little better. Or just cruise control at 70 and pay for it in fuel, I guess it's a driver choice.
I’m glad to see you both y’all back together that’s what we get more shows like this I’ll take the ram diesel. Y’all need to try the Chevrolet straight six diesel against the ram diesel
I pull an 8K pound TT with a 2001 GMC 5.3L in the Rocky Mountains. Looking to upgrade to a gasser because I only tow 2-3 times a year. I would love to see a comparison of a 2018 3.5L F150 Ecoboost Max Tow vs a 2018 GMC 6.0L HD 2500 towing up the Ike.
I have the 2021 RAM 2500 Hemi V8. Bighorn with nightout package. Almost identical trucks other than hemi vs cummins and 8speed transmission vs 6speed. LOL bring your truck to Utah and I'll let you borrow mine to compare gas to diesel with exact same truck but different powertrain.
I don't like the rams because of the side mirrors alone, the A/C doesnt blow near as hard or cold as a Ford super duty and the seats are not good, but the fuel economy we get out if then is quite impressive. Whats realy impressive is this is a 6.7l engine in a truck that weighs 2k more than the half ton and still got substantially better fuel economy.
@@jamespenner1412 That would be great! The curren mirrors really are a deal breaker for me. Every time I drive one of our Ram 2500 trucks I get cross eyed looking into the side mirrors and they have a huge blind spot. Can't tell you how many times ive almost run someone off the road because I couldn't see them unless I looked over my shoulder. The back seat is too small, thw transmission tunnel is so wide you have almost no floor noard on the passenger side, and the seats just suck. On the plus its quiet and has a decent ride for a 2500, and the fuel economy is very good.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix im a ram guy 100 percent but that dang trans tunnel drives me nuts. When they ever put the 1500cab on the HDs it will be quite a bit better for that too.
@@jamespenner1412 thats what im waiting on. Back seat room really sucks too. The 1500 cab has better back seat room. Hopefully with the new cab and mirrors it will be more appealing. Nothing Ive driven matches the seats on my 16 titam xd platinum reserve. While it doesnt have all of the fancy adjustments of the competitions more upscale trucks, the seats themselves are far more comfortable, especially on long trips. That and the headlight adjusters and ride are what make the Nissan attractive, and I had never really considered nissan before, but the XD really won me over but they dont make it anymore with the diesel. Would have been nice if they jad at least made it one year with the newer refreshed truck with the nicer headlights and panoramic roof.
I just got 8mpg this weekend in my 2009 5.4 f150 going from 0 ft to 800 feet in elevations at hwy speeds. Pulling 6200lbs . I thought I was getting bad mileage. On summer gas I get 9.5 mpg. So I guess I don't need a tune up like I thought if the new hybrid gets worse.
The hybrid F150 has a car engine in it for comparision in size, so it'll struggle to do the work that requires a V8, so yep gonna get far worse fuel economy than your V8 pickup when doing work. a hybrid or turbo 4 or 6 cylinder might get better fuel economy putzing around town but when asked to actually do work like a truck is meant for, they fall very short in terms of economy and capability.
Even though you shouldn't have to, if you lock out 9th and 10th you keep the turbos from spooling on the hybrid and you'll get one to two possibly three miles per gallon better towing.
This is an amazingly awesome video! A really good example of why the weight and power of a truck really matter when towing.
Absolutely. Big fan of your channel too, btw.
Not so sure I agree. Sure the 2500 handled the trailer better than the F150, but they didn't even have a weight distributing hitch let alone an anti-sway system. I think for the average guy, the smaller truck is the better fit. If hauling all the time, then the HD diesel would be the way to go.
@@atokarchik big truck and big RV are spot on. I have a TT that I have towed with a half ton, 3/4 ton gas and now a 1 ton diesel. There is absolutely no way I would ever tow and enclosed trailer with a half ton ever again.
Love your channel Big Truck Big RV
Is this your trailer sir?
How about doing a gas 2500 vs a diesel 2500?
Diesel will win every day of the week. Much more torque, but takes less rpm to make it. They are super efficient which is why anything that moves a bunch of weight uses them. The hd gas trucks are probably going to be around 8-10 mpg with that same trailer. They are just gas guzzlers in general, but especially with a trailer. With my experience towing a 30 foot 5th wheel the lowest ive seen the mpg get through the mountains and stuff was around 12.5(granted this is what the truck says no hand calculated). Unloaded the same truck gets 14 in the city and hit 19 on the highway. The gas trucks just can't do that. It's all about price. Gas trucks are cheaper to get and maintain, but the downsides are pretty big
@@LeakyJoosbox Since maintenance and purchase price aren't the greatest cost of ownership when towing the fuel savings offsets the extra cost.
@@erikkovacs3097 that all depends on what your towing and how often imho and what kinda comfort level you want in general theres pros and cons to both but if you simple question is which one pulls better duh 2500 Diesel always wins
@@HVTMuddvain Leaving 3/4 tons aside if this test were between 2 1/2 tons (1 diesel, 1 gas) the difference would have been even larger. My point is that the higher upfront cost, higher fuel cost per gallon and higher maintenance costs are dwarfed by the fuel savings when towing. That is why all professionals making money towing all drive diesels (ok maybe some CNG but that's rare).
I'm starting my homework on this subject. I'm not a tech person, don't know what hp vs ft/lb torque means. I do know numbers like the ones calculated in this video vs the ones each truck displayed. As much as I like the idea of a diesel and what it can do for pulling a camper. I don't know how long it would take to recover the extra $10k cost (and maintenance) when a gas engine could pull the same camper. Waiting for the TFL gas/ diesel 2500 challenge. Equal trim levels too. That might tip me over to that Cummins
Glad to see mr truck again I wish he was on full time with tfl
Me to. Love Mr Truck. I think him and Andre should have their own TFL channel
@@TheRamGuy Thanks folks
I think Mr Truck is full time on his Mr Truck channel, but sadly....no Andre there.
Love these real world comparisons. It'd be very interesting to see a comparison of the performance of gas vs diesel with equivalently heavy trucks.
Or this 2500 vs f-250 tremor 7.3 Godzilla engine
Would love to see comparison include the GM 1500 3.0L Diesel.
have to find one that’s not back at the dealership for recalls. POS
@@bigbeef8935 lol what a dumb statement. Currently no open recalls on LM2 equipped GM trucks.
When towing, the LZ0 (gen 2) 3.0 Duramax uses a lot of def. Like, a lot. In fact with a solid load of say 8000 pounds which is reasonable, it blows through DEF like crazy. Now, it’s a nice tow and a beautiful engine, but even with the higher MPG of the Powerboost when towing, the price of diesel and the cost of 3/4 of a bottle of DEF per diesel fill (again only when towing) quickly eats up any price benefit for highway towing. Around town, the Powerboost is phenomenal, but I have to say I was impressed with MPG I could get on feeder roads with 70kph to 80kph speed limits.
I recently purchased a 2021 2500HD Duramax, coming from a 2011 F150 5.0 V8, towing only a 25' 6000lb gvwr travel trailer, and it is a huge difference in towing and mileage. I was white knuckling driving the F150, compared to a mostly relaxing tow with the Duramax. But I live where its constant 30-40mph winds with 50mph gusts.
The wind can kill mileage and make you hang on both hand and feet. 😂
So true. I used to tow an 8500lb TT with a half ton and would never do it again
Just get a weight distribution hitch
@@philipparana9225 haha. If only it were that simple. I had an Eqalizer WD hitch that cost about $900 and the winds in northern Michigan would put me in the shoulder sometimes or I had to pull the trailer brakes. 3/4 ton that doesn’t happen
I hate the wind. My enclosed toy trailer is about 5000 lbs loaded and I tow it with a 2011 Ram 1500. I do have a sway control bar but I feel like I'm maxed out and wouldn't want to tow a pound heavier, don't care what it's rated for.
Would LOVE to see this gas mileage comparison with all the half-ton diesel trucks on the market
- Ram 3.0L EcoDiesel
- GM 3.0L Duramax (GMC or Chevy)
- Ford 3.0L Powerstroke
Ford discontinued their 3.0 diesel last year. It was replaced by the power boost.
@@EricFortuneJr. , yep, no more Ford small diesel in the US at least. GM announced a new version of their 3.0 for 2023, I wonder what improvements it will get? Most reviewers seem to love the GM engine.
The GM is buttery smooth, great mpg and tows well. We have one at work as the shop truck. Only annoying thing is that if you ever have to do timing or pull the timing cover for a leak it’s set up like a semi with the timing in the rear.
I love these videos as they are REAL WORLD tests and very informative on the critical aspects of each vehicle. One idea I have is perhaps an overlanding setup. I know it's easier to just hitch up a trailer but having a camper setup on these trucks would help as well for those considering overlanding as I am for a possible huge part of abusiness venture.
Good stuff! Would’ve been interesting to see the unloaded fill-up coasts for the same trucks on the same day & route. Might be able to nail down the crossover point where someone could grade the expense based on the percentage of time spent towing.
I would agree, if prices were not going bonkers at the moment
Yeah the F150 would be a good bit cheaper I think.
They both get similar fuel mileage unladen . That 6.7 is a sipper on the highway. I have had both. Both about 20 mpg hwy unladen. But diesel + DEF vs gasoline price. Not towing, gasoline all day. In town that hybrid impresses on economy, but the 3.5 is the worst fuel mileage towing. Powerful but terrible towing fuel economy. I tow once per mo or less, so F150 Powerboost for me. (My current truck.)
Tow all the time? = Diesel HD
Tow occasionally only? = F150 Powerboost
Excellent video. You showed how the extra stability of a 3/4 ton makes towing much easier despite the trailer being well within the manufacturer's rating for the F150. Proves that just because you can, it does not mean you should! Good to see Kent on the channel too!
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Seen a great comment once.. "whatever your towing capacity is on your vehicle, CUT IT IN HALF and that will give you the safest tow"
MR.TRUCK! I know you've got your own channel.. But man the chemistry is great.
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Great comparison for anyone looking into the smaller trucks. Impressive numbers for a 1/2T. I’ll probably always have my 1T diesels, but it’s cool seeing how far these 1/2T trucks have come.
Yep. I've owned at least one 3/4 or 1 ton truck since 1996. My first was a F350 with a 460 and 5 speed. Next was a 1995 Powerstroke 5 speed and I've had multiples of every Powerstroke made since with a couple 12 valves and 24 valve mixed in. The 3.5 EcoBoost pulls stronger than some of those trucks. Personally it feels plenty stable up to 10,000 lbs. Anything over that and I grab the Superduty keys.
@@boduke9428 that’s awesome!! Good info!! I’ve never driven the EcoBoost trucks. I hear great things about them!
Great video. Glad to see Mr Truck back on TFL. You two make a great team. Love y’all’s videos.
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Here in Scotland, UK, the towing speed limit is 60mph for ANY vehicle type. Also that's only on a "dual carriageway ", ie a road with two or more lanes in each direction, with a median divide in between. On a two way road that reduces to 50 mph for all vehicles. That's whether you're a 'big rig' or Mini with a tent camper!
Once you get past that you can't afford either, this was an informative video.
Everything is expensive which is ridiculous and unfortunate
I can afford it.
@@texandy89 Yep. Once a vehicle is too far out of reach, ya lose interest.
Lol, for real, truck prices have become insane. But I'm happy with my Ford Maverick. Small truck, good gas mileage, and pretty affordable when compared to the alternatives. $26k with all of the options I picked for it.
@@OutlawFarmersRC Congrats bro. 👏👏
I like the video I learned a lot from the video. But what if you guys did the same video with the Ford F250 with Godzilla engine, because some of us viewers aren’t too thrilled about the extra cost of the diesel so is there a way of trying the same comparison with the Ford XLT Godzilla engine?
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Is the Trailer Hitch Pin missing the Clip? Watch from 12:15 to 12:22. Or am I missing something?
There are no 2 better dudes talking towing than Andre and Mr Truck 👍
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I'd assume the biggest difference is rather Heavy Duty truck vs. Light duty pickup than diesel vs. gas.
Great video. Although some may argue it's cheaper to tow with a diesel but the cost of owning a diesel is considerably higher then the half ton. To buy a diesel to tow only a camper or boat on weekends would not make any sense .
You make a good point. But if you are financially able to make that purchase, the diesel truck will also hold its value longer, especially given a higher mileage on the truck.
Anyone besides me notice that they didn’t have the safety cotter pin on the hitch pin? Great video.
Yep, saw that to when towing with the ram.
DANGEROUS.
I noticed that and then checked the comments to see if anyone else saw that as well.
It would be interesting to see how a 1500 truck diesel like the Silverado 3.0 duramax would compare against the Ram 2500 diesel
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There is no comparison. That’s like comparing a hellcat to a challenger base model
@@bigbeef8935 the 3.0 duramax could probably get better mileage than the 6.7 Cummins towing
Ram rules again
It all depends on your specific needs. If you only tow light loads occasionally and use your truck as a daily driver it would be ridiculous to get a rough riding hd. If you tow heavy loads most of the time than get the 2500.
Excellent comparison guys. Even with the difference in price per gallon, there was quite a difference in the total cost. You should come up to Eastern Canada right now, we are currently paying $2.59 per liter or $9.80 per US Gallon. So it's making it hard on everyone! Great video, stay safe.
Wow, Here in Western Canada... Alberta, we pay $1.70 a liter for diesel.
@@StevelsCamping wow lucky you Toronto it's at 2.20-2.40 for diesel 2.05-2.10 for gas
@@dor1tomcswagger69 You have to thank the idiot in Ottawa adding the carbon tax.
Andre your the best thank you for being in TFL
Great to see Mr. Truck back on TFL !
Did anyone else notice at about the 7:37 mark in the video. When they showed the dash in the Ford. It said 0 miles on the electric motor used. I was made to believe that the electric motor was to accentuate the gas motor to improve torque and mileage. Apparently that's not the case in tow/haul mode. It seems just gas motor is used...
Thank you. I really enjoy these comparisons. Keep them coming.
Have you ever done a direct Ike Gauntlet towing comparison of the regular Cummins versus the H/O Cummins? I'd like to see that.
The smaller RV's are being offered with the 3.5 L Ecoboost V6 (Godzilla or diesels in the bigger RV's). Generally, the customer has no choice. Is the 3.5 L Ecoboost a smart engine choice or should the RV manufacturers be offering something different? I am suggesting a definitive test like you do.
Good idea. As someone with a HO Cummins SRW truck I would like to see that. I suspect less than 15000lbs the SO Cummins may do better and the HO above that
Great episode. You need to do the same comparison on the IKE. A lot of us over or under buy a truck for one reason or another. Lost of diesel owners buy too much truck for their needs where a lot of 1/2 ton owners push their limits. It is nice to see some runs not a t full capacity but at what most of us use our vehicles for.
The 2000 lb weight difference of the heavy duty makes towing so much better..
You need control to lead the trailer. The front axle of that Ram weighs almost as much as the entire F150
@@jnk26 🤣 and yet it’ll tow as much as the ram and payload isnt far off either
@@freedomisntfree_44the lacking g point of that ram is the JUNK 68rfe, and the soft payload. 5k on the front axle vs 5k split between front an rear, is a huge difference. My 8500lb fifthwheel rv has been pulled by four different trucks(1999 F250 Powerstroke SCLB, 2016 3.5EB CCSB, 2019 F350 6.7L CCLB, 2020 F350 6.7L CCSB) the new diesels have no comparison, and the 3.5EB was faster off the line than the old 7.3, its a much better towing truck even being 125hp short(500lbft@1600 is better than 420lbft@2800). Front axle leads the truck , rear axle leads the trailer. More vehicle is better when hauling a heavy trailer. The payloads are close only because the ram is an 7800lb truck riding on a 10k GVWR. My 2020 is a 8300lb truck riding on a 12.4k GVWR. Axles are 6000f and 7350r(13350 combined) where it's 3800f and 3800r on most F150s(3850f, 4800r w/HDPP)
Great comparison, hope to see Mr. Truck on TFL more!
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Good to see Mr Truck and Andre together. Also very happy to see you guys mentioning the size and type of trailer you are towing is far more important than just the weight. Half Ton trucks are just not heavy enough and built to tow big campers and enclosed trailers at higher speeds. You can get by with it if you’re only towing local or less than Interstate speeds but there’s no comparison to an HD.
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Wish I could bring my tuck on the show, one of a kind 2011 ecoboost f150 ecoboost the 22nd to be exact manufactured on Jan 10th that is an 8,000 lbs big boy with a ten speed and towing rear air suspension with a humongous 13"x3-½" quarter inch thick frame and lots of other cool rare features, basically built entirely around towing and has a helluva story behind it
Okay so I did the math, pricing diesel at $5 per gallon and gas at $4, towing, youd save an extra $9000 in fuel costs per 100k miles using the diesel over the Ford, and a 4000 gallon difference in usage, so less trips to the pump as well
You assuming a 100% towing use case for that cost difference?
@@ALMX5DP Yeah for those that use their trucks for work. I’m towing a trailer going about 80 on the freeway as I’m typing this.
You forgot to include DEF cost which is at least 3-5 cents more per mile on top of the fuel cost. Diesel engines also cost significantly more than gas to maintain repair. Filters, sensors, everything costs more on a Diesel, this is all in addition to the higher up front cost you pay for the drivetrain.
If you're heavy hauling every other day with your truck then yes, by all means get diesel powertrain, but spending and extra 30k-50k over the lifetime of a truck just so you can get a few more MPG on a camper trailer you haul maybe four to six times a year is silly IMHO.
@@RiggyRonnie work comes in all shapes and sizes, if you tow a lot obviously diesel starts to make more sense. Probably shouldn’t be watching YT and commenting while driving at freeway speeds though.
And the batteries need replacing at a 100k and other parts on the hybrid..
Cummins + RAM = Solid.
So says Mr Truck.
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You guys need a long term GM 3.0. Everyone wants to see its capabilities and efficiency.
My 2020 F250 HCTTP(10800lb GVWR) is 8100lbs curb gets, 24-26mpg empty can tow 21,900(30,000lbs GCWR) Has a 2900lb payload(door sticker) 3" reciever (22k rated on SRW) its basically a lighter GVWR F350. 6320lb rear axle rating. Same axle and springs as the F350 with he 7350lb. I towed my 8500lbs fifthweel from Southern Ontario to PEI and back last summer and averaged 17.2L/100k(13.67mpg) for the 3700km(2300 mile) trip. My trailer is 8ft wide and 12-6" high. The 10 speed makes a world of difference, especially because of the smaller steps, and extra torque(1050lbft@1600) the highrst BMEP is around 1700rpm, that's where the engine is most efficient(most torque at the slowest rpm) that's why diesels are better on fuel,
I have a 2019 f150, reg cab 8' bed 4x4 2.7 ecoboost, and when I tow my 27' triple axle gooseneck flatbed, I can definitely feel the trailer behind me slowing down but the torque of the little ecoboost is so much more noticeable than my dad's v10 f250.
Tanks of fresh, gray and black water will stack on some weight. Also propane too.
2x 20lb propane tanks only weigh about 30lbs, but yea wetting a trailer down of that size could easily add another 500lbs, throw in all the other shit you take camping and you're looking at 1,000-1,500 lbs on top of the trailer weight.
You guys should get a spectral analyzer app for your sound tests. It won't capture dB as accurately, but it will show where the noises are in the spectrum. That gives you a better idea of quality of sound in addition to quantity.
Always great to see Mr Truck along for the ride
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I don't tow much but still love my 2016 Laramie Mega Cab Cummins 4x4 SAP!! Ordered it new and still only has 28k miles on it.
Love the way you do your comparisons, real world-real result. 👍
The F-150 seems to do better on mpg when locking out 9th and 10th gear with the manual down shift button. Seems to use less boost.
That's the way I do it with my 18eb towing a 28ft 5th wheel. Most conditions I use 8th, headwind I stick with 7th. It will pull in the higher gears but fuel mileage doesn't go up so I donr lug the engine.
@@alcalc8938 you tow a 5th wheel with a f150? Don’t see that everyday.
That makes a lot of sense (locking out the upper gear or two). Boosted gasoline engines generally need to run a little richer as the boost levels increase to control cylinder temp/reduce pre-detonation. In the lower gears there is more mechanical advantage available to the engine so it doesn’t need to do as much ‘work’ on each stroke ie: elevated boost level. Moral of the story…minimize boost level to maximize efficiency.
@@grumpyengg5978 you can have eco and you can have boost but you can’t have eco AND boost.
I would like to see a comparison of all your trucks and what it cost to drive them for the year. Cost of fuel, conditions used, daily driving and towing. To get a real world idea of what might be best long haul. What's best for towing, best for daily, and fun factor!
And what does that 2500 get unladen? I'm guessing 15ish? Also, how many times are people hauling camping trailers per year but driving the truck around unladen or even a daily driver?
Do a head to head Ram Cummins engine test, The cab & chassis engine vs the standard, and finally the H.O. mated to the Aisin trans..
I would love to see an offshoot channel with just Andre and Mr.Truck. Dedicated to all manner of trucks, trailers towing and even farm equipment. That would be great and they are an awesome duo
Mr. Truck is so biased though. He clearly favors some stuff even if it's utter crap
@@bldontmatter5319 what does he favor that is total crap?
It is always good to have Mr. Truck in the videos!!
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Now we need to see an HD gasser vs a half ton. Does a bigger gas v8 get better mileage towing that trailer.. btw, that’s a proper load for half ton towing to really work them, not the flat beds with whatever loaded onto them. The wind resistance along with the weight is a great test.
Easy conclusion.
If you drive 90% of your time hauling heavy trailers on log distances - get the HD diesel
If you drive 90% of your time from here to there mostly city and rarely with a trailer - get the electric truck (rent a diesel truck for when you need long distance towing needs)
The hybrid Tundras are out now, please do a mpg loop with it.
The turbos will explode
Love it when these guys get together for a video. Awesome!!
I saw an average of 16.8mpg in my diesel with 5 guys in the truck (full of hunting gear) and pulling 3000lb trailer from colorado to texas. Then I saw about 21mpg from colorado to california with just two people in the truck and unloaded. Not bad for a 19 ram diesel 2500.
Your one lucky guy, or you have a very unique Ram/Cummins! My 19 3500 Limited with the HO Cummins can get 21 on the highway empty, or with a modest load in the back, but even with my 5,000 lb 8x20 cargo trailer on back empty, pulls the highway fuel economy down to 11 or 12 mpg. Hook up my 41’ 5th wheel toyhauler and it’s down to 9. No one I know gets the kind of towing mileage your talking about with a stock Ram/Cummins. Better hang on to that one.
@@razorsedgeadventures6599 I’ve got 4 guys watching in amazement. We all traded driving to Texas and back. They were all astonished at the mpg we were getting out of this truck. I know for sure we were way over the payload but she just pulled like a freight train. She’s completely stock Down to the tires besides the ARE topper.
That's the same mileage my dually gets hauling a single slide truck camper and a car trailer with car. Only difference is I run about 65 tops. The real point I see here is just because fuel is cheaper. Doesn't mean you are saving money. I'd like to see you run the same test with a 1500 ecodiesel.
Sounds about right, I borrowed a 6.7 dually to pick up a car out of state. Unloaded with open deck trailer (w/ front air deflector) I got 15.5mpg, and on the return trip with the car I saw 15mpg even. The truck camper likely accounts for that difference.
@@ALMX5DP That for sure. Nothing like pushing a 4x8 sheet of plywood through the wind.
Another great video guys. Do you have recent videos with a diesel that shows the fuel mileage loaded and unloaded? Thanks guys.
What’s the story with Andre’s Buhanka?
I’m at 11:48 on the video. Do you guys compare both vehicles doing the same loop, empty? W/O a trailer??
That’s some good info too.
Great video! So if I recall correctly, the new Toyota Tundra performed about 1-1.5 mpg better than the Ford powerboost.
Would love to see big Cummings vs duramax 3.0
Same. Bet it would be the same.
I hope there is at least a grade 8 bolt running through that upside down draw bar contraption.
You really want to avoid the tail wagging the dog scenario when towing a heavy pig trailer
Yeah wonder if a WD setup is compatible with that hitch arrangement. Would make it much more stable, especially for the lighter Ford.
Great review- we always enjoy watching you 2 together 🍻
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I wonder how long Andre will keep his powerboost? I'm getting a xl when ever prices to decide to level out.
another advantage of the Hybrid is that can share electricity with the trailer in off-grid situations
Ya, but it really is marginally safe to tow with as it is either at over max payload or real close
I was always told you can never have too much truck. I'm glad y'all took it out on flat land. Driving through the hill country or in the city would not show the effect of the wind on the truck and trailer. Personally, I'd want the 2500 because of the weight and stability that comes with it.
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Would like to see Andre’s truck vs Sierra 1500 diesel.
No security "pin" at 12:17?
As someone who tows three or four times per year, diesel just doesn't make sense. It's crazy to pay all that extra cost up front and then be stuck with a giant lumbering truck for the rest of the year. Not to mention the fact that the hybrid is recovering energy when braking all that weight. TFL always talks about the value of engine braking while towing. With a hybrid you would want to be braking to maintain speed on down hill sections so you could harvest that energy. Another benefit of the hybrid would be the built in generator when boon docking. You could plug your trailer into the truck and run anything you want with much less noise than a conventional generator.
but you should compare it to a 3 litre diesel. Not the HD
13:43 "you have those leaf springs that were invented in 1930" ummm... You mean 1730??? LOL😂
I am very surprised by the F-150 hybrid MPG towing. I have a 2012 F-150 with a 3.5l ecoboost with a similar weight trailer and average ~10mpg towing at 65-70 (primarily from NM to CO with lots of steep grades). I would like to see the same comparison with a regular ecoboost compared with the 1/2 ton Duramax.
The 1/2 dmax would probably hit 15mpg.
I think at times they say what they're already going to say it, of course the 3/4 ton is going to tow a little more stable but I'm still seeing that camper sway even with 3/4 ton
I noticed some sway too in the Dodge
Some of the sway you see in Rams is from the panhard bar they use on the 4 link suspension. They really should have gone with a watts link so the rear end would have zero side to side movement. I have a Ram BTW. The panhard bar is my least favorite thing about the truck.
Why Premium in the Ford vs recommended regular ? Is that not making the cost per mile more ?
It’s my opinion big gas engines get better gas mileage towing than small gas engines. I got 9.5 mpg both ways on a trip from Atlanta to Denver last July with my 2020 F250/7.3L/3.55 towing a 7600 lb trailer at about 72mph avg. Not too bad. It’s way better than what I hear folks are getting towing similar trailers with smaller engined half tons. The smaller engines might get better mileage unloaded but It’s down to engine rpm when towing. Those smaller engines really have to wind up. My 7.3 is really turning relatively low rpm’s for a gasser. High torque, tall final drive ratio, and the 10 speed with three OD’s makes this possible.
Wonder how your truck would do for fuel efficiency with the 4.30 axle Ratio, or do you feel like the 3.55 does just fine? That new 7.3 Godzilla would be the way I'd go in a 3/4 ton truck...not a fan of the diesel stuff especially when diesel is $5+/gal plus the cost of DEF, and all the added costs associated with a diesel in the maintenance/service side too.
With vehicle prices outrageously over-priced right now no way I'd buy anything anyways, but fuel prices alone are bad enough LOL.
I’m not sure what the 4.30 gets. I suspect a little lower but probably not too much worse. It probably spends more time in the higher OD gears with the same load. I have a 2001 Chevy 2500 with the 8.1L and 4.10 gears. It has the Allison 5 speed with only 1 OD gear. It feels much quicker off the line than my F250 with a load but it’s spinning a good bit faster at interstate speeds. I’m lucky to get 8.5 Mpg with the wind behind me. 7.5 - 8 mpg is normal with a 7600 lb trailer. I don’t tow anything over 14k lbs so I took the 3.55 on the Ford and extra gas mileage and I’d do it again. It gets 16mpg hwy unloaded in the summer.
@@flamarlamb Great information thanks for the reply. I don't tow too heavy either, so the 3.55 would fit me just fine as well then, I might max out around 8000lbs but only on occasion. Mostly around the 5-7k weight.
How about doing a camper tow test vs the Silverado/Sierra w/the 3L Duramax?
I noticed that both trucks swaying with the trailer
because they have no weight distribution system, very irresponsible and dangerous of them
Question. Same trailer. Same course. What would an F150 3.5 ecoboost with tow package do one that test? Mine is also an XLT package. 2020. Why I am asking. I am thinking about getting an small toy hauler. Thanks.
If only occasionally towing a travel trailer but using the truck daily around town, then I’d say, I’m fine with paying the half ton gas premium when I do tow. I can buy a lot of gas for the amount of money that the price delta between these two models represents. Even if the ford was a Lariat, loaded up, it still wouldn’t be close to the price of the diesel.
The price calculation when you factor a city/towing use ratio of 90/10 or an 80/20 use distribution, then I’d suggest that little case can be made for the heavy duty from an objective use case provided what you are towing falls within the weight range of a 1/2 ton.
The Powerboost platinum compared to a 3.0 Duramax Silverado HighCountry (also loaded) would be a trickier calculation IMHO. But still the Powerboost for every day use will absolutely be superb for around town use most of the time, that 3.0 Duramax is fantastic on the highway for MPG if you are not towing. While it will beat the ecoboost with towing MPG, it’s still not as simple as, “diesel is better” because the 3.0 Duramax when towing will use nearly a bottle of DEF per tank which strips its cost advantage near totally between that and the higher cost of diesel.
Do the tires and rear equipment on the camper look like it’s smiling
Mr Truck! Great video. Also interesting 8.2 woulda been spot on withou your top off.... 🤔
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Can you guys please do one with 22 cx5 NA and the new cx50.
Might sound sarcastic but im being serious My favorite part is when the computers are wrong
It's swaying because the hitch height has the nose down slightly putting more weight on the front trailer axle than on the rear. It's the same as being tail heavy.
Mr Truck and Andre....they seem to be as rare as a Nathan vid lately. Bring the duo back guys. Please.
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I tow a bass boat. Would love to see numbers for trucks with that type of load
Why do do you tow without a weight distribution, sway control hitch? Its unsafe and it makes a good truck tow like crap, with wind and big rigs passing.
Wonder if it would be different on regular fuel instead of premium
With the 1/2 ton pickup and tall trailer suspension with that hitch will exaggerate operator skill…The 3/4 ton diesel and all the heavier running gear can not compare. The price of diesel is crazy since it’s a by product of gas refining, remember when it was dumped on roads?… Thank you for sharing your research.
Thanks so much for this video great work
I have an older ram, 1500 5.7l Hemi. I tow a 2.6 metric tonne trailer at around 11.5 mpg. Thought that was pretty good, as I drive it without trailer at around 15 mpg.
Ecoboosts tow very well with all that torque, but they are thirsty when under load. If you're towing a lot they are not for you. If you are towing relatively short distances on the weekend in the summer they will almost certainly make up for that thirst and then some with their efficiency in the rest of your driving. It just depends on what your needs are. OEM Ford shocks are also not good for towing. I put Bilsteins in the rear on mine and it made it much more planted and stable.
That is the first time I have ever heard that the OEM Ford shocks aren't good for towing. I have the FX4 package on my 21 and the shocks seem adequate to me.
@@kristoferbrown8007 I don’t know about the newer trucks or FX4 shocks specifically, but F-150 forums are loaded with owners complaining about how bad the shocks are in general. One of my rears was already blown at only 20k miles.
Yep, eco or boost. If you stay in boost with a trailer, lookout mpg. Even if you have to lockout high gears or go slower, you HAVE to stay out of boost if you want to keep your mpg in the double digits with a sail of a TT behind you. Auto trailers are a little better. Or just cruise control at 70 and pay for it in fuel, I guess it's a driver choice.
@@ALMX5DP ah ok. Sorry to hear that.
@@tazeat Yeah I would rather have the torque and eat a couple MPGs than the opposite. Personal preference though of course.
I’m glad to see you both y’all back together that’s what we get more shows like this I’ll take the ram diesel. Y’all need to try the Chevrolet straight six diesel against the ram diesel
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What is the towing difference with the Ram 1500 diesel
I pull an 8K pound TT with a 2001 GMC 5.3L in the Rocky Mountains. Looking to upgrade to a gasser because I only tow 2-3 times a year. I would love to see a comparison of a 2018 3.5L F150 Ecoboost Max Tow vs a 2018 GMC 6.0L HD 2500 towing up the Ike.
I have the 2021 RAM 2500 Hemi V8. Bighorn with nightout package. Almost identical trucks other than hemi vs cummins and 8speed transmission vs 6speed. LOL bring your truck to Utah and I'll let you borrow mine to compare gas to diesel with exact same truck but different powertrain.
Great video! Thank you!
I don't like the rams because of the side mirrors alone, the A/C doesnt blow near as hard or cold as a Ford super duty and the seats are not good, but the fuel economy we get out if then is quite impressive. Whats realy impressive is this is a 6.7l engine in a truck that weighs 2k more than the half ton and still got substantially better fuel economy.
They are changing the mirrors for 2023.
@@jamespenner1412 That would be great! The curren mirrors really are a deal breaker for me. Every time I drive one of our Ram 2500 trucks I get cross eyed looking into the side mirrors and they have a huge blind spot. Can't tell you how many times ive almost run someone off the road because I couldn't see them unless I looked over my shoulder. The back seat is too small, thw transmission tunnel is so wide you have almost no floor noard on the passenger side, and the seats just suck. On the plus its quiet and has a decent ride for a 2500, and the fuel economy is very good.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix im a ram guy 100 percent but that dang trans tunnel drives me nuts. When they ever put the 1500cab on the HDs it will be quite a bit better for that too.
@@jamespenner1412 thats what im waiting on. Back seat room really sucks too. The 1500 cab has better back seat room. Hopefully with the new cab and mirrors it will be more appealing. Nothing Ive driven matches the seats on my 16 titam xd platinum reserve. While it doesnt have all of the fancy adjustments of the competitions more upscale trucks, the seats themselves are far more comfortable, especially on long trips. That and the headlight adjusters and ride are what make the Nissan attractive, and I had never really considered nissan before, but the XD really won me over but they dont make it anymore with the diesel. Would have been nice if they jad at least made it one year with the newer refreshed truck with the nicer headlights and panoramic roof.
I just got 8mpg this weekend in my 2009 5.4 f150 going from 0 ft to 800 feet in elevations at hwy speeds. Pulling 6200lbs . I thought I was getting bad mileage. On summer gas I get 9.5 mpg. So I guess I don't need a tune up like I thought if the new hybrid gets worse.
The hybrid F150 has a car engine in it for comparision in size, so it'll struggle to do the work that requires a V8, so yep gonna get far worse fuel economy than your V8 pickup when doing work. a hybrid or turbo 4 or 6 cylinder might get better fuel economy putzing around town but when asked to actually do work like a truck is meant for, they fall very short in terms of economy and capability.
Even though you shouldn't have to, if you lock out 9th and 10th you keep the turbos from spooling on the hybrid and you'll get one to two possibly three miles per gallon better towing.
@@MrFordguy73 That's really interesting, but good to know.
What about towing with the hybrid something lighter, like a SeaDoo? How is MPG affected then?