"What Happens When Your Belief System Falls Apart?" Many people double down and deny such a thing has happened. Delusion is often stronger than the pull of reality.
But what is Reality? The belief system which fails is the Marxist 19thC conviction of progress of Society to a better world and the wish to hasten this by any means,many of them callous and indifferent to individuals in the way.
@due whit or people that still give credence to the orange man bad narrative. The GOP/Trump and the Democratic Party are two sides of the same coin that serve the same master, figuratively speaking. This is not an allusion to conspiracy theories. Choosing the lesser of the two evils is a poor justification. Challenge what you think you know and draw your own conclusions.
That is so deep. There are moments in life during which you could question anything, so you basically end up with no certainty. At that point you might say well, I'm certain there are no certain things. But that is a certainty you could question again. I believe that those kind of spirals should not be investigated deeply. Because at that point - as J. Peterson would say - there is chaos :)
and like he says at 0:56 it gets harder to establish a firm belief in anything again after that. i think that is why a lot of people that fall away from their childhood religion feel they have to go back, it is all that can make sense for them.
I’d very much like to go back to my old life of blissful ignorance please. Atleast the certainty I had at that time because of my old belief system helped me make decisions easily with a sense of integrity and be satisfied, and even happy most of the time. Now I am so sceptical of everything and everyone that as a result most of the time I don’t even have a sense of who I am and where I stand with regard to the world. I wish Dr Peterson finds a solution for this and I get cured of this continual state of chaos.
This. I'm saving this. This is exactly what happened to me. I was in a certain denomination of Christianity then I was convinced another belief system was true, but I couldn't bring myself to believe it was true because, after all, the last thing I believed was true too until it wasn't. How do I know these teachings have a solid footing? So I find myself lost in skepticism.
Hello mate, i am going through that skepticism phase in my life too! I was in many different denominations so it is really heavy to a level that makes me ignore things in my life and become a dump cell just living. I just thought to hold conversations with peopld like me and like you as if im in the alcoholics or drug addict meetings. My email address is kuzgunyusa@icloud.com. And my Instagram account is kuzgunyusa. Contact me if you'd like to share more. The way i construct my sentenced might sound weird as its not my native language, excuse in advance. Peace!
Been there mate, there are at least few good teachings in all religions, choose which suits or talks to you in terms of beleif, values and go by it. Its scary to know no gods will come to help me. Lol
Very smart man. Enjoyed listening to something I can identify with. What he is talking about has happened to me and I struggle with apathy everyday because of it. I am a very deep and rational critical thinker. One day I started realizing certain religious things I was believing were literally not happening in reality. It was one of the most devastating and crushing blows that I've ever had to go through. It upends everything in life and relationships. When I had people of that belief system telling me that I was going backwards or doing something bad is what made me realize that I was actually going the right direction. You can't force yourself to believe things you don't believe, especially when you know that you are being open, objective, and your intentions are without pride or arrogance. It would be like forcing yourself to be a different person which is impossible. Living in an ocean of uncertainty is very difficult because people look at you like you're something less than them when intellectually you are far above them. People don't understand that if you could force a belief system you would, because the peace of mind and heart would be so welcomed, but you can't fake or fool yourself.
Well, he also forgot to mention ostracism. You are, in most cases, ostracised from the community that raised you with that particular belief system. Which means lower social ranking, loneliness, a lower likelihood of finding a marriage partner, less friends, less support from your community.
@@TheMisanthroPunk Unfortunately I don't think that is necessarily always true (sometimes, yes... that is the pay-off). I've seen intelligent, authentic people buckle under the burden and decide to take their own lives. But it is a choice one has to make, to take the risk and bare the burden in order to be authentic, or to conform at the expense thereof.
@@PqV72MT4 Sorry to hear that. It is a feeling that I am well acquainted with. "This above all, to thine own self be true". It is important to give yourself credit for being committed to the truth. Remember that loved ones may have a difficult time dealing with the fact that your world view (something that previously you had in common), has now shifted. Over time, they may come to accept it. That being said, remember that we are in an exceptionally challenging time right now. Many of us are isolated, unable to go out and build new relationships. Isolation and loneliness is a massive problem. Do not give in to despair. This, like many things in life, is temporary. Accept your current state of suffering and inadequacy, but realise that it is temporary, and that there is a lot you can do to improve things. Now is a great time to focus on yourself, to make daily small, incremental improvements to your life. Take a break from overthinking things. Develop a preference for action. Go outdoors as much as you can, breathe in the crisp, fresh air... feel the sun on the back of your neck. Exercise. Read something uplifting. Create something. Learn something new. Try to make new friends (if lockdown allows for it).
@@jahray6300 I can't really say that I'm out of it, though philosophies like Zen and meditation have been a massive help to me (as taught by Alan Watts and Brad Warner, among others), as well as Jordan Peterson. Though I'm no longer that depressed and nihilistic, I still struggle with motivation.
@@TukenNuken u literally describe how I’ve been feeling for the last 2 years. Glad to know that I’m not alone but I still need the testimony of someone getting out of it
Dude this is me with working hard I thought it trumped all, but I was stupid and got hurt working out too much now I am in despair of trying to find a model for what I really should believe in, and not believing in anything is definently a dark place to be as it leaves you with NO goals to seek out due to lacking a lens to search for one
@@Kitiwake Fair enough. I saw him play with Rush 8 times, but he did some incomprehensible things later in life. Like writing lyrics like "It's somehow so badly arranged, there's such a lot of pain on the earth" while bringing a child into such a horrible place.
Good thing God has power to become visible and he said only fools believe in what they can't see. If you had Faith you would see God with your own eyes. We seek to see the one we love.
It's untrue people who question 'belief systems' cannot act. They can seek truth, not adherence to a system. It's also untrue that people cannot act in uncertainty. One sole example of someone acting without certainty is enough to disprove Dr Peterson's claim, and there are nearly infinite examples, from people playing lotteries, to my writing this while admitting the possibility that I could be wrong.
It's almost surreal to me to see this on my recommended. Ivve been dealing with this for so long. What should I believe? What is true? What is truth? How should I be certain. How do you dodge dillusion at the same time? The most satisfactory thing I could come up with is "your perception of the world can be whatever you want it to be". Just as voluntary suffering is better than involuntary suffering. So is voluntary dillusion better than madness. There's a saying... "pecemists are usually right and optimists are usually not. But it's the optimists that bring change to the world". So I guess just pick the values that sit closest to your soul and commit to them. You can even correct them along the way, there'd be a period of uncertainty and confusion of course. But look at it this way. Your belief system is a ship, and each wooden plank that makes up the ship is a moral value. It's much better to just build the damn ship as best you can and begin your journey and fix any leakage along the way than to walk up and down shore questioning if the planks are of the right material. But for this to work you meet some foundational requirements. You need to constantly be checking your sails and planks at all times. And you need to make sure your destination is that of paradise and goodness. This means you need to be constantly self-aware and open to correction when there is leakage and not just put duct tape on it out of stubbornness. And also, you need to know that your intentions for yourself and the world around you are that of nobility and virtue. But both of those things require you to step back and view everything from an eagle eye view. Otherwise known as having an awakening. You need to be able to judge yourself objectively, and not ruin your ship by trying to crash it into someone else's that opposes it for example. And all in all, you need to overcome of becoming dillusional. You have to trust that you won't, just have a balance of certainty and openness. Of course all this is much easier said than done, and it may be flawed. But I'm going to try it out and see how far my ship sails. I'll always have the humility to swim back to shore and rebuild if necessary. I'd love to see more people's views in this. What do think?
Nice post and I pretty much agree with all of it. My belief system didn't collapse....I never had one...and I found it too chaotic and scary. So I adopted a belief system....which in time did fall apart. And that was seriously scary....back to the dreaded chaos of my youth. So I spent some time really trying to figure things out from scratch....for myself. And eventually I chose my belief system. I chose the belief system which most closely matches my own core beliefs...so even though at times I face doubts....it is manageable. The sails might rip, the paint might get scratched, I might even spring a leak....but the core of the ship is strong and stays afloat. I prefer to have a system which makes sense to me at least in its core principles....and how far I accept every peripheral element of it varies....and it's up to me. And actually the more I study the more I am comfortable with where I am....unlike my previous system where the more I studied the more worried I became. I am Catholic and have remained so for many years now. Am I certain about every aspect of it? No. Am I sure enough about the core principles to stay afloat? Yes. I would rather be in the boat and think my own little thoughts on the side than throw myself overboard in a tantrum over some little thing I'm not sure about...where surely I will be washed away.
my christian foundation dissolved slowly over time. then after i realized it was truly gone (in the sense of it being a reality, not its affect on my life) i had to think about what is really truth. i am still working on it these days after years of struggle. i think finding peace in knowing that no one really knows what they are doing or what are the answers has helped a lot.
I dont think is right. I don't need emotion to believe in something I cant comprehend. I may feel apprehensive about believe in it but I don't need emotion to do so. Faith is just belief in what you can not comprehend.
I have spent a lot of time thinking about belief and what it means and I agree with you. To truly believe something it is in your heart (or subconscious), and your heart or subconscious communicates with you predominantly through emotion. If it's not in your heart, you don't truly believe it.
Belief system is a construct in your head that let move easier to certain direction. Is a construct so it can be changed and modified as you wish. If your belief system is deciding what you do or not you are not living your life.
He never said it's a bad thing. It's just that questioning everything to the smallest detail defeats the benefits it gives you and makes your live worse as you get lost in your mental world with all the possibilities and never take action. This leads to further insanity/nihilism as you start to judge yourself incapable of what everybody else seems to be capable. This leads to further depression.
Abram went in synagogue and asks rabbi: "Rebbe, my son became Christian! What should I do?" / "Don't worry, Abram. I'll ask God about it, come back to me tomorrow." At the next day, Abram goes to rabbi again: "So? What God said?" / "I'm sorry, I can't help you. God has the same problem."
The man who invented a hamburger was smart; the man who invented the cheeseburger was a genius! I haven't figured much of anything out. I am okay with giving up on fervently seeking. They say, that they are able to measure intelligence, yet there is no measures for the depths of ignorance, depravity and cruelty. Yeah, emotional intelligence isn't a cultural concern. #justtypin #whatwouldiknowanyway I use to have a burning joyous DeSiRe to "make a difference," in this lifetime... Success is for FooLs and Kings; I am neither. Nowadays, I am concerned with very little; apathy has replaced much that once was possible, and or probable. 😐 My life has been ruined, because that's just the way it is. #iqisnoteverything #everythingiseverything
@@jessicasmith7102 I'm sorry to read that you feel that way. It's not good to consider yourself a victim. Take command of the things in life that you can control. Clean your room and stand up straight
We think we chose ,but we don't chose at all,thinking that you chose is just another thought.So here you see the weakness of the so-called mind,it can only go unto its own border,then it vanishes.
Theres loads of these type of Jordan's videos coming up on my reccomend recently and I can relate to every one of them and I'm to much of a sissy to watch one 😂
"I'm not absolutely certain about anything but I'm not afraid of not knowing. I find it more interesting not knowing" - Feynman on religion (paraphrased)
Its funny that some people ( not necessarily you ), get the idea that zen buddhism is like a free pass to irresponsibility. Buddhist monks would live in extremely austere conditions and be stripped down to almost nothing, working long hours, in constant service and strict adherence to virtue, learning discipline and obedience before achieving enlightment. Its like filling the mind with the most relevant and important knowledge before cutting off the head completely. Then enlightenment happens. It's just as important to follow the path as the result is intertwined with it. Right speech, right thought, right action. Become that completely then become complete, free of judgement. The body learns first, then the mind.
Tyron well he probably does, I mean there are over 43,000 denominations of Christianity. Everyone just picks the best flavor for them and then claim everyone else’s is wrong.
I can't post full lectures here, that's why there is a link in the description to the full talk, and it wasn't actually mid sentenced, he starts talking about another subject after video cuts off.
A great psychological perspective on the post-modern / relativist trend we're witnessing these days. Youths of our days must've lost their innocence / have their belief system fall apart early on their days to cause them to be inclined towards the rejection of an absolute truth...
Well he never got to say what you do when your world belief falls apart. Personally I live by a very simple belief. I don't have to invest in anyone elses belief, I don't enforce my ideas or will on others and I believe that life is precious and meaningful. I also don't feel the need to argue for or against this idea, even to myself. If someone tries to force me to believe something that I don't, or force me to talk the way they want me to, I won't do it. Unless they pay me...a great deal of money. Otherwise they can go to hell. If there is a God, I'll be fine because I don't judge, therefore Im not judged. That's the way it all works. I think I've got it pretty well locked down. I don't invest a lot into feelings. The vast array of narratives that I used to tie into feelings produced enough hurt and confusion from destroyed expectations, they can't be trusted completely. Feelings are often distortions or based on them. I have feelings, I just don't let them lead me. My own, or anyone else's. It's not a sociopathic thing. I respect feelings and accept them to a degree, I just don't cater to them as being more important than intention. I also don't think anyone else has to be like me or think this way. The person I'm most likely to feel for and help are the weak, old and infirm or children. Aside from that, a person who is trying really hard and needs a hand. I'll help that person. Not someone who has sat down and just puts out their hand. An adult asking for help should be difficult and a little shameful. If it isn't, it's an exploitation of a strangers guilt. There are people who manipulate other people by playing on their feelings. I have no time for that. My wife is good at that one and she still sneaks it by me. I resent her because she reminds me that I'm susceptible. She's the biggest struggle I have. She slips under the rational to work from the emotional and can blindside me. Its like this irrational creature that floats around, above, behind and beside me that I have to contend with like trying to reason with the wind.
Correct! Ideologies are not competible with reality! It only sets you up for failure! When reality comes face to face with your ideology that is when you will... suicide!
Well, what about the acres of prisons being built in China today. Russians have a background of extreme cruelty who knows about today. India's Chaste system speaks badly of humanism.
They wouldn't be united or they too would lose their cultural heritage and identity to each other. Peterson is talking about how they each would reject Western consumerism or nihilism. Not united and united wouldn't be so great for anyone. India probably would be on the more reasonable side of things but its hard to say.
I know exactly what happens. I grew up in a Christian fundamentalist household with a set of axioms and dogmas. There was an all knowing, all powerful, all loving creator (God) who dwelled in a place called heaven. There was a purely evil deity (Satan) who was the opposite of God, and who dwelled in a place called hell. There was a code of ethics (based on the bible, the ten commandments, the gospels, etc.) that one must follow in order to become closer to God/heaven. Those who believed in God's son (Jesus Christ) as their Lord and Savior and who attempted to follow the ethical codes made it into heaven. Those who didn't made it into hell. This gave structure, guidance, and ultimate meaning to my existence. There was a clear north and a clear south, and no one wanted to go south while everyone wanted to go north. When God Died in my life (at the age of 16) all of this collapsed into ashes. There was no longer an objective moral code, for there was no law giver beyond the subjective individual. There was no longer an eternal afterlife (or any afterlife) to either look forward to or be terrified of. There was no free will, for the 1st cause was not an all knowing, all powerful, all loving deity, but rather it was a no-nothing, all powerful, amoral phenomenon. The world was void of any objective meaning, any objective morality, and was even devoid of any true agency or choice. The world was a nihilistic hellhole. A horrifying accident that never should have been. Now, this path was necessary for me to go through. As Nietzsche understood, nihilism is the logical consequence of the Death of God but NOT the end result. But he also knew that many would not make it out of nihilism. Plenty would perish in it, and I myself barely scraped by through the skin of my teeth.
The answer is to stop having belief systems and learn the truth about things, no belief in the sun is needed. I'm a meta doubter. I'm about one thing and that is that there are no certainties, all is an exercise in futility. Just be, take the ZEN approach and everything will be fine.
@5:17 I'm just discovering Dostoyevsky apparently described me word for word in one of his books. Peterson might find it darkly comical but I sure as hell am not laughing...
I'm going through this right now and it fucking sucks! Every time I develop and try out a new game, sooner or later it gets demolished by real-world experience. Figuring out how to control and behave in this world is near damn impossible with so much noise, possibilities, and views going around. My solution has always been to close myself off from most people and have a steady focus on a particular goal I want to achieve. But since all of us are dependent on work, and as much as I'd rather have the attitude "It's what I think", you are going to have to deal with the fact that you have to be evaluated and judged to get anywhere in life. And the higher your aim, the more judging, and evaluations you have to go through. Being on top is not all that it seems but I guess it is much better than a lot of other things in life. You have to deal with constant pressure though and it is not fun at times. You work your ass off just to fall off.
"If our beliefs about the nature of reality serve to minimize death anxiety, then whenever we encounter people who do not share our beliefs, whether we are aware of it or not, we have a problem. Because if we accept the validity of an alternative conception of reality, we necessarily do so by undermining the confidence with which we subscribe to our own beliefs. And once that happens, we expose ourselves to the very anxiety that our beliefs were erected to diminish in the first place." - Sheldon Solomon
Jesus said, "I am the way the truth and the life". John 14:6. Now people have only three choices. A. It's true B. It's not true C. I don't know If you don't know, give yourself the opportunity to see if what Jesus said is true. No matter what people decide, it will effect their life, you can run, you can hide or you can fight but you all will have to face the question.
You think you will drown in the sea of possibility - but then you breath - Suddenly you are more then you thought you were. The spark of the divine comes alive in you. The impossible becomes possible. *Just breath.* In the breath of man is the breath of God.
Man's search for meaning is the purpose of human life. Even if someone gives you the whole truth from your infancy, you will not be able to understand it without struggling to live up to it. A personal belief system that falls apart is one that was only presumed. Our job is to seek the good, the truth and the beautiful, and to isolate ourselves from the cruel, evil, stupid, and ugly as well as we can. How can this fall apart?
It was just getting interesting when it cut out - I had not heard of Dugin before. Putin is a bit of an enigma, and not one I put any faith in, so it would be nice to understand how he is informed and whose thinking he follows! Any ideas where I should go on this?
@@melrussell8542, please, watch this: ruclips.net/video/YOd9sy-RZNE/видео.html Also there must be a video of Putin's spiritual father talking about Putin but not sure if i can find it, and most likely it's in Russian. Would be nice if i can manage to find it and translate. Anyway i remember the main idea that Putin is a bit of enigma, since it's hard to comprehend how you can be so patriotic and so in favor of the West at the same time. i know it probably sounds unbelievable, but Putin really likes the West and Western culture, other people in Russia who are at the same level of patriotism are much more critical of the West, much more irritated. And he is probably right and more logical on this matter. i don't think that Putin listens to Dugin much, Dugin is too sophisticated in his speeches, it's hard to follow sometimes. There is a consensus among spiritual leaders of Russia (bishops, priests, philosophers, writers) that in the 90-s we drank from western canalization not from tap water. Now they try to fix it, taking all the good and filtering garbage. Anyhow, if you want to know what Putin thinks just watch RT, it's his bullhorn.
@@MuchLowerThanThat Yes. Putin is a creampuff compared to a lot of people in Russia. As far as I know, Putin didn't come close to starvation in the 1990s under the drunken Yeltsin, but a LOT of Russians did, or knew people that did. It's hard to imagine the level of humiliation that Russians must have felt after trusting Yeltsin to lead them. He ended up being a drunken degenerate puppet of the degenerate Bill Clinton to the point that Russia could do nothing while her ally Serbia was bombed for 78 days.
You don't have to believe your thoughts, consider all your believes and ideologies to be assumptions at best. They could be true. What you're left with is an open mind that doesn't have to construct a particular set of believes to feel secure. Sounds easy, but indeed most people rather cling to a particular belief system, which they defend to the death, than dealing with the uncomfortable feeling of not able to trust everything you think.
Let's see. There was Zeitgeist the Movie in '08. That and a rationalism-fueled college education got rid of my Christian upbringing and turned me into kind of a militant atheist and materialist. Then I stepped into a class on Consciousness studies and couldn't produce arguments against what I was learning, and that turned me into a hippy believing in energies and the collective unconscious. Now I'd like to think I stand somewhere in the middle.
Whenever you identify with something your intelligence will only work around that i think people needs to learn what is inside them before they start listening to others
Indeed. After a lot of floundering around that's what I did. I started from me....what do I really believe inside myself. Then I went on to look at belief systems and why that makes sense to me and that doesn't. If you don't have your own solid criteria as a starting point you can rationalise almost anything you are told. Yes, absolutely....start from yourself and work out....not from what others tell you and work in.
I can't help but chuckle at your opening line Dr Peterson. Because the Nhialists clearly didn't understand Christianity - and of all the world religions Christianity is the only one I feel capable of the utopian ideal. Christianity never abandons the present moment, because, what we do in life is the manifestation of who we are. Christians are very much living in the hear and now. The problem for humanity is that it falls short of that utopian ideal, because, people are self-centred and act with self interest - and being given the law and 10 commandments did nothing to fix this. For whenever we seek perfection by doing good, we act in self-interest. This is the paradox of self righteousness which Christianity seeks to explore. And the message from God, in the Bible, is that WE CANNOT FIX OURSELVES. According to the Christan message, a person is fixed by God - and having been fixed that person is free to do good. They have a restored relationship with their creator. It is only in this way that a person can truly achieve the utopian ideal in the present moment. Because, that ideal requires that we love others more than we love ourselves - and the Christan is enabled to do this because they could want for nothing more. The world's understanding of Christianity is backward. Christians don't do good so that they might have future glory. Christians are people who have already received future glory - and it is that which enables them to do good now.
His wife is very sick she has been diagnosed with a rare cancer, he's spending his time with her in the hospital that's why his last couple of lecturers he was overly emotional and said he had a lot going on in his family
Well that's not the worst part of why he's not around at all is because of his wife's illness it made him depressed with suicidal thoughts so he has checked himself into rehab..you will find the details on Google.. Jordan Peterson, the Canadian psychologist and anti-political-correctness crusader, has checked himself in to rehab in New York,
@@yifatcarmi3380 I feel weird talking about him but I feel he is struggling with his own demons or as he calls it his shadow, he seems to struggle with forboding life pain... I've really watched his mannerisms and I see he controls a bad stutter. He has never mentioned it but really observe his speech... as a child he would have been looked down on and teased relentless for this I feel this could be his hidden pain and his goal was to be the most intelligent speaker he could be..what are your thoughts on this I could be wrong
we are always emotional in all our beliefs ... is how you know you believe in something to begin with! you get an emotional reaction to realize something and that make you conscious to believe what you experience! a human Cannot step out of its' own intellect and biology! if you could it would mean you have a conscious Out of Body Experience! OBE is considered by science as a defense mechanism to protect us to feel the trauma... such as when we fall to our death but survive and later remember we experienced we were outside of the body... we are Always emotional in All observations of our selves and what we think we believe in, such as science. You are not science because you read a Fact book of a subject, you are simply having an emotional experience that give you a sense of logic understanding, no matter how logic the understanding is it is still the emotional experience that kick your consciousness to feel you understand/believe what you just learned. so anyone saying they are logical and do not need to belief or emotions is actually the most non-scientific and stupid person in the room! while the ones that admit they feel emotional and believe what they feel as true are honest about how the human psyche and biology actually works to come to a conclusion! but nerds often think they are above emotions as they are introvert personalities and programmed to believe they are above those that are extrovert personalities as all those outgoing emotions scare their defense mechanism to be in control of their emotions, which means controlling emotions is a highly emotional response to what an introvert person fear! conclusion of this ramble is that we are All basing what we do on emotions add we can never get out of it unless we actualky die!
There's a black area between the old certainties falling away and replacing them with alternative values. Beware that transitional stage. As for certainty, I make all my decisions with a degree of uncertainty. Sure, I choose a partner and commit but I am aware that it may not work out. I choose a career but I keep looking around to make sure I made the correct decision. Why is that a problem? I make the best decisions based on the available data and then review them as new data becomes available. Not always, but I've always regretted the exceptions.
The thing is that certainty is not necessarily a black and white issue, it's a gradient, so yeah when you lose your belief system you will find it very hard to feel certain about any other entire belief system but you can still take things to a higher level, go the the place that all belief systems draw from, to the basics, many of the things that belief systems touted are universal, like do unto other as you would have them do unto you, you can believe in that without having to believe in Christianity as a religion or in Jesus as a savior, the power of that idea comes from within it, not based on where it comes from (which should be how you view and evaluate all ideas).
Wait, I disagree with this. I really think there is a third way here because I feel as Ive done it personally when I dropped all my beliefs which was very painful initially. When you are carrying emotional wounds around you become desensitised to your own extra-sensory perceptions which give you joy and a feeling that its good to be here. You can remove that debri and find a more natural way of being. There are ways to verify something by the inner intuitions you have. I am a woman maybe its easier for me to connect to this, than for men. Who knows. My father refuses to deal with his fear and self hatred, now he has no idea what joy is... joy doesnt need mental belief... its just there anyway when you heal the wounds... dogs and babies have it...
No one persons belief system falls apart in singularity. You can have yes manned subjective echos to nonsensical manipulations as to what someone else should believe, but a witch gets burnt alive for saying no. Take that no or burn the witch its that simple. People all have different sentiments of greed and pride, a lot of us we just cant NOT do. Its not a what we will not, its just not a possibility. Death is more inviting as an absolution to our principles.
"...and you're going to make decisions one after another, about which, if you're not certain you cannot make" This is just simply not true. Why not? Why can't I just make a choice and at the same time have no certainty about it? I do this every day, all the time. And if I make a choice and THINK I have certainty about it, I am just simply deluding myself. What leads me to unhappiness is the need for certainty - not the lack of it.
My belief system has been desrtoyed in one part of my life and betrayed in another aspect. How do I go about rebuilding? Sad case I'm sure but I'm intelligent though frozen with indecision. HELP!! At this point anything would be of benefit. A lecture, a reading, any idea for my next steps. Thank you.
me too matey. Me too. It's sad. I've been able to be so effective in my life before and then crash. I think I idealised my life a lot and then that shattered. So I'm kinda just trying to see my life for what it is and where I am with things, and then moving from there. I feel like I don't know what my values even are anymore, but I also have this sense that things will work out with time and I'll be back on track again
Been there. Frozen, immobile, lost, confused and afraid. Try starting from you. Figure out your own core values. Your own core understanding. And whatever that is go forward from there ...and try to do it with a positive frame of mind. Start from the position of "I am a child of the universe and I have a right to be here"....I have the capacity for thought and my thoughts are valid. Go right back to scratch....do I believe in God or not. What do I conceive God to be? (if applicable). What are my options that match my belief. What is my way forward with the beliefs I hold. What values/morals can be built on this belief. What actions can I take to further my values. Figure out who you are first....then figure out which positive direction you can go in with that. If all else fails be kind to you and to others around you....that works well whatever you believe/don't believe.
@@robertkey9991 I hope it helps. Beyond the first couple of steps I found it helpful to write it down so that I wasn't just spinning with ideas. I wrote myself a big list of what constitutes a valid religion to the best of my understanding then made myself a list of religions and went through a process of elimination. Example..it has to have God .so Buddhism is out. No small sects because God has to be available to everyone. Etc etc.
@@robertkey9991 oops...I pressed send before I finished. It's not a quick process but at least you are not floundering... You are getting somewhere. And if you believe in God, if the going gets tough, pray. Ask Him to help you. And you may not find a 100% perfect answer...but you can probably find something good enough to work with. I'd be interested to know where you end up. Come back in a couple of years and let me know please. Good luck. 😀
I can see it now. I know what you’re doing. Thank you for the service you are doing. I’d love to be a patient of yours. I have pretty bad ptsd. Thanks again
Priceless. When Dr Peterson says, "as a consequence, millions died." He paused. He was emotional. He is the best teacher I never had growing up,
Or about to sneeze
this aint theater brah
Or the diet soda
"What Happens When Your Belief System Falls Apart?"
Many people double down and deny such a thing has happened. Delusion is often stronger than the pull of reality.
that's not what i did, tho tbh i wish it was.
But what is Reality? The belief system which fails is the Marxist 19thC conviction of progress of Society to a better world and the wish to hasten this by any means,many of them callous and indifferent to individuals in the way.
@D. E. Trump supporters
Dealing with such a thing requires a shit load of courage. It's the ultimate jump away from the comfort zone.
@due whit or people that still give credence to the orange man bad narrative. The GOP/Trump and the Democratic Party are two sides of the same coin that serve the same master, figuratively speaking. This is not an allusion to conspiracy theories. Choosing the lesser of the two evils is a poor justification. Challenge what you think you know and draw your own conclusions.
Your belief system falls apart, and you drown in possibility.
PS1956m honestly tho
It's hard to make sense of and navigate all that possibility
That is so deep.
There are moments in life during which you could question anything, so you basically end up with no certainty. At that point you might say well, I'm certain there are no certain things. But that is a certainty you could question again.
I believe that those kind of spirals should not be investigated deeply. Because at that point - as J. Peterson would say - there is chaos :)
a quantum physics reflecting its laws in a fractal part of the existence called: human being,
and like he says at 0:56 it gets harder to establish a firm belief in anything again after that. i think that is why a lot of people that fall away from their childhood religion feel they have to go back, it is all that can make sense for them.
I’d very much like to go back to my old life of blissful ignorance please. Atleast the certainty I had at that time because of my old belief system helped me make decisions easily with a sense of integrity and be satisfied, and even happy most of the time. Now I am so sceptical of everything and everyone that as a result most of the time I don’t even have a sense of who I am and where I stand with regard to the world. I wish Dr Peterson finds a solution for this and I get cured of this continual state of chaos.
This. I'm saving this.
This is exactly what happened to me. I was in a certain denomination of Christianity then I was convinced another belief system was true, but I couldn't bring myself to believe it was true because, after all, the last thing I believed was true too until it wasn't. How do I know these teachings have a solid footing?
So I find myself lost in skepticism.
Hello mate, i am going through that skepticism phase in my life too! I was in many different denominations so it is really heavy to a level that makes me ignore things in my life and become a dump cell just living. I just thought to hold conversations with peopld like me and like you as if im in the alcoholics or drug addict meetings. My email address is kuzgunyusa@icloud.com. And my Instagram account is kuzgunyusa. Contact me if you'd like to share more.
The way i construct my sentenced might sound weird as its not my native language, excuse in advance.
Peace!
Hey. As a man of faith, and an abundance thereof, I find I can afford to be sceptical, about many things.
What happened to forming your own belief system from a balanced perspective, which has no right or wrong, but just life as it is?
Been there mate, there are at least few good teachings in all religions, choose which suits or talks to you in terms of beleif, values and go by it. Its scary to know no gods will come to help me. Lol
Read the quran
I love how Jordan is figuring out things when he speaks. He stops for a moment, waving his hands around and throw impactful sentence at you.
I love how he gesticulates. Unlike any other man I've ever seen.
He said he knows but it’s him trying to find a sentence
“Meta-doubter.” Thats me.
Power of imagination
Me too man nd black
@@dbestkillaman9082 rip
@@taupesky32 lmao seriously
I doubt you are 😁
Very smart man. Enjoyed listening to something I can identify with. What he is talking about has happened to me and I struggle with apathy everyday because of it. I am a very deep and rational critical thinker. One day I started realizing certain religious things I was believing were literally not happening in reality. It was one of the most devastating and crushing blows that I've ever had to go through. It upends everything in life and relationships. When I had people of that belief system telling me that I was going backwards or doing something bad is what made me realize that I was actually going the right direction. You can't force yourself to believe things you don't believe, especially when you know that you are being open, objective, and your intentions are without pride or arrogance. It would be like forcing yourself to be a different person which is impossible. Living in an ocean of uncertainty is very difficult because people look at you like you're something less than them when intellectually you are far above them. People don't understand that if you could force a belief system you would, because the peace of mind and heart would be so welcomed, but you can't fake or fool yourself.
Well, he also forgot to mention ostracism. You are, in most cases, ostracised from the community that raised you with that particular belief system.
Which means lower social ranking, loneliness, a lower likelihood of finding a marriage partner, less friends, less support from your community.
Dang
Super true. But in the end you'll find yourself on stronger legs than the idiots around you
@@TheMisanthroPunk Unfortunately I don't think that is necessarily always true (sometimes, yes... that is the pay-off). I've seen intelligent, authentic people buckle under the burden and decide to take their own lives. But it is a choice one has to make, to take the risk and bare the burden in order to be authentic, or to conform at the expense thereof.
Yes. I am currently going through this. I have the lowest sense of worth ever in my life. I feel so alone.
@@PqV72MT4 Sorry to hear that. It is a feeling that I am well acquainted with.
"This above all, to thine own self be true". It is important to give yourself credit for being committed to the truth. Remember that loved ones may have a difficult time dealing with the fact that your world view (something that previously you had in common), has now shifted. Over time, they may come to accept it.
That being said, remember that we are in an exceptionally challenging time right now. Many of us are isolated, unable to go out and build new relationships. Isolation and loneliness is a massive problem.
Do not give in to despair. This, like many things in life, is temporary. Accept your current state of suffering and inadequacy, but realise that it is temporary, and that there is a lot you can do to improve things. Now is a great time to focus on yourself, to make daily small, incremental improvements to your life. Take a break from overthinking things. Develop a preference for action. Go outdoors as much as you can, breathe in the crisp, fresh air... feel the sun on the back of your neck. Exercise. Read something uplifting. Create something. Learn something new. Try to make new friends (if lockdown allows for it).
Dr. Peterson is an incredible instructor. He helps us discover ways to mend some of our own personal issues. Hail to a hero of our days.
This blows my mind. I went through _exactly_ what he describes here, and I've never heard it explained so accurately...
How did you get out of it?
@@jahray6300 I can't really say that I'm out of it, though philosophies like Zen and meditation have been a massive help to me (as taught by Alan Watts and Brad Warner, among others), as well as Jordan Peterson. Though I'm no longer that depressed and nihilistic, I still struggle with motivation.
@@TukenNuken u literally describe how I’ve been feeling for the last 2 years. Glad to know that I’m not alone but I still need the testimony of someone getting out of it
Dude this is me with working hard I thought it trumped all, but I was stupid and got hurt working out too much now I am in despair of trying to find a model for what I really should believe in, and not believing in anything is definently a dark place to be as it leaves you with NO goals to seek out due to lacking a lens to search for one
From the treasured Neil Peart:
"I don't have faith in faith
I don't believe in belief"
This is pretty much most absurd quote I've ever read
Was that the drummer?
A drummer as a philosopher .I don't have faith in that.
Sounds like Ayn Rand
@@Kitiwake Fair enough. I saw him play with Rush 8 times, but he did some incomprehensible things later in life. Like writing lyrics like "It's somehow so badly arranged, there's such a lot of pain on the earth" while bringing a child into such a horrible place.
Good thing God has power to become visible and he said only fools believe in what they can't see. If you had Faith you would see God with your own eyes. We seek to see the one we love.
OMFG this is so relevant to me on a heavy level.
It’s utterly overwhelming having to do that. I remember when I had to enter the real world and realized socialism isn’t the answer.
It's untrue people who question 'belief systems' cannot act. They can seek truth, not adherence to a system.
It's also untrue that people cannot act in uncertainty. One sole example of someone acting without certainty is enough to disprove Dr Peterson's claim, and there are nearly infinite examples, from people playing lotteries, to my writing this while admitting the possibility that I could be wrong.
I think this video may have altered my life forever. Thanks Dr.Peterson
Jordan drinks Pepsi. That settles the debate.
He doesn't any longer. Water and beef only
Love pepsi
😂👌
The amount of ground covered in this video should not be underestimated. This is staggeringly brilliant and deep.
Any videos on how to come out of it, once your belief systems have fallen apart and you're questioning everything ?
Buy His book. Attend His lectures. Enrol in His university course.
It's almost surreal to me to see this on my recommended. Ivve been dealing with this for so long. What should I believe? What is true? What is truth? How should I be certain. How do you dodge dillusion at the same time?
The most satisfactory thing I could come up with is "your perception of the world can be whatever you want it to be". Just as voluntary suffering is better than involuntary suffering. So is voluntary dillusion better than madness. There's a saying... "pecemists are usually right and optimists are usually not. But it's the optimists that bring change to the world". So I guess just pick the values that sit closest to your soul and commit to them. You can even correct them along the way, there'd be a period of uncertainty and confusion of course. But look at it this way. Your belief system is a ship, and each wooden plank that makes up the ship is a moral value. It's much better to just build the damn ship as best you can and begin your journey and fix any leakage along the way than to walk up and down shore questioning if the planks are of the right material.
But for this to work you meet some foundational requirements. You need to constantly be checking your sails and planks at all times. And you need to make sure your destination is that of paradise and goodness.
This means you need to be constantly self-aware and open to correction when there is leakage and not just put duct tape on it out of stubbornness. And also, you need to know that your intentions for yourself and the world around you are that of nobility and virtue.
But both of those things require you to step back and view everything from an eagle eye view. Otherwise known as having an awakening. You need to be able to judge yourself objectively, and not ruin your ship by trying to crash it into someone else's that opposes it for example. And all in all, you need to overcome of becoming dillusional. You have to trust that you won't, just have a balance of certainty and openness.
Of course all this is much easier said than done, and it may be flawed. But I'm going to try it out and see how far my ship sails. I'll always have the humility to swim back to shore and rebuild if necessary.
I'd love to see more people's views in this. What do think?
Nice post and I pretty much agree with all of it. My belief system didn't collapse....I never had one...and I found it too chaotic and scary. So I adopted a belief system....which in time did fall apart. And that was seriously scary....back to the dreaded chaos of my youth. So I spent some time really trying to figure things out from scratch....for myself. And eventually I chose my belief system. I chose the belief system which most closely matches my own core beliefs...so even though at times I face doubts....it is manageable. The sails might rip, the paint might get scratched, I might even spring a leak....but the core of the ship is strong and stays afloat. I prefer to have a system which makes sense to me at least in its core principles....and how far I accept every peripheral element of it varies....and it's up to me. And actually the more I study the more I am comfortable with where I am....unlike my previous system where the more I studied the more worried I became. I am Catholic and have remained so for many years now. Am I certain about every aspect of it? No. Am I sure enough about the core principles to stay afloat? Yes. I would rather be in the boat and think my own little thoughts on the side than throw myself overboard in a tantrum over some little thing I'm not sure about...where surely I will be washed away.
How did you go?
Faith pure of heart love peace brother and sister! Just get along.
At forty years old I've never had this happen. I found this very interesting.
my christian foundation dissolved slowly over time. then after i realized it was truly gone (in the sense of it being a reality, not its affect on my life) i had to think about what is really truth. i am still working on it these days after years of struggle. i think finding peace in knowing that no one really knows what they are doing or what are the answers has helped a lot.
please learn Islam. this is the final answer..
try practicing kindness & sharing for self and others, it's a start:) eh
Be careful of narcissts out there - believe me
@@MJ-qb5ph ya,
To believe in anything is to have faith, which is all emotion, no fact.
I dont think is right. I don't need emotion to believe in something I cant comprehend. I may feel apprehensive about believe in it but I don't need emotion to do so. Faith is just belief in what you can not comprehend.
Truth exists beyond the empirical method.
@@ljgrace5578 you don't actually know that, ironically enough..
@@SineEyed better still, she can't actually know that, ironically enough..
I have spent a lot of time thinking about belief and what it means and I agree with you. To truly believe something it is in your heart (or subconscious), and your heart or subconscious communicates with you predominantly through emotion. If it's not in your heart, you don't truly believe it.
Best lecture possible so far
Belief system is a construct in your head that let move easier to certain direction. Is a construct so it can be changed and modified as you wish. If your belief system is deciding what you do or not you are not living your life.
4:53 values systems and drives
5:09 Dostoyevsky "Notes From Underground"
Uses the word chaos quite often. I recall comedy series Get Smart, where the secret agents of Control try to out smart the secret agents from Chaos
Charles Rablin We are now all dumber for reading that comment.
@@Bennevisie Peterson would find it deep and meaningful and explain to you why it is so.
@@plinkbottle OK Chief, whatever you say. Yet you are here, watching his lecture. What does that say about you?
@@Bennevisie It says I recognize his expertise on a wide range of topics
@@plinkbottle I apologise. I misinterpreted your original comment. Enough internet for me today.
Actually questioning things gives you many answers, instead of doubts, intellectually and spiritually.
He never said it's a bad thing. It's just that questioning everything to the smallest detail defeats the benefits it gives you and makes your live worse as you get lost in your mental world with all the possibilities and never take action. This leads to further insanity/nihilism as you start to judge yourself incapable of what everybody else seems to be capable. This leads to further depression.
Im gonna read notes from the underground ASAP!
thanks for the amazing video!
A great book
Fucking amazing! Totally recommended. Loved how challenging it was, very personal, very chaotic. Go for it
Love this man.
Abram went in synagogue and asks rabbi: "Rebbe, my son became Christian! What should I do?" / "Don't worry, Abram. I'll ask God about it, come back to me tomorrow." At the next day, Abram goes to rabbi again: "So? What God said?" / "I'm sorry, I can't help you. God has the same problem."
All I know now is that, I know nothing.
Life is a paradox of wonderment. 🤨
#ineffable #studyplease #questioneverything #everythingiseverything
Jessica Smith at least you’re smart enough to know that much
The man who invented a hamburger was smart; the man who invented the cheeseburger was a genius! I haven't figured much of anything out. I am okay with giving up on fervently seeking. They say, that they are able to measure intelligence, yet there is no measures for the depths of ignorance, depravity and cruelty. Yeah, emotional intelligence isn't a cultural concern. #justtypin #whatwouldiknowanyway
I use to have a burning joyous DeSiRe to "make a difference," in this lifetime... Success is for FooLs and Kings; I am neither. Nowadays, I am concerned with very little; apathy has replaced much that once was possible, and or probable. 😐 My life has been ruined, because that's just the way it is. #iqisnoteverything #everythingiseverything
@@jessicasmith7102 I'm sorry to read that you feel that way. It's not good to consider yourself a victim. Take command of the things in life that you can control. Clean your room and stand up straight
Everything comes with a price!! Rightly said.👍👏
We think we chose ,but we don't chose at all,thinking that you chose is just another thought.So here you see the weakness of the so-called mind,it can only go unto its own border,then it vanishes.
Theres loads of these type of Jordan's videos coming up on my reccomend recently and I can relate to every one of them and I'm to much of a sissy to watch one 😂
"I'm not absolutely certain about anything but I'm not afraid of not knowing. I find it more interesting not knowing" - Feynman on religion (paraphrased)
No doubt, no enlightenment.
Little doubt, little enlightenment.
Great doubt, great enlightenment.
(Zen proverb)
Sounds like description of christian beliefs
Its funny that some people ( not necessarily you ), get the idea that zen buddhism is like a free pass to irresponsibility. Buddhist monks would live in extremely austere conditions and be stripped down to almost nothing, working long hours, in constant service and strict adherence to virtue, learning discipline and obedience before achieving enlightment. Its like filling the mind with the most relevant and important knowledge before cutting off the head completely. Then enlightenment happens. It's just as important to follow the path as the result is intertwined with it. Right speech, right thought, right action. Become that completely then become complete, free of judgement. The body learns first, then the mind.
@@malakispanien Sounds like you know a different kind of christianity than i do
Tyron well he probably does, I mean there are over 43,000 denominations of Christianity. Everyone just picks the best flavor for them and then claim everyone else’s is wrong.
@@truthhunter4270 i go one step further and say all of them are wrong.
And the point of cutting Jordan Peterson off in the middle of a sentence was WHAT?? 😡😡😡
I can't post full lectures here, that's why there is a link in the description to the full talk, and it wasn't actually mid sentenced, he starts talking about another subject after video cuts off.
All the better to whet your appetite!
My note,
1:40 "acting based incomplete understanding of reality."
2:52 Dostievsky criticism on Comunism. In notes from underground.
Gin,
A great psychological perspective on the post-modern / relativist trend we're witnessing these days. Youths of our days must've lost their innocence / have their belief system fall apart early on their days to cause them to be inclined towards the rejection of an absolute truth...
Well he never got to say what you do when your world belief falls apart.
Personally I live by a very simple belief. I don't have to invest in anyone elses belief, I don't enforce my ideas or will on others and I believe that life is precious and meaningful. I also don't feel the need to argue for or against this idea, even to myself. If someone tries to force me to believe something that I don't, or force me to talk the way they want me to, I won't do it. Unless they pay me...a great deal of money. Otherwise they can go to hell. If there is a God, I'll be fine because I don't judge, therefore Im not judged. That's the way it all works. I think I've got it pretty well locked down.
I don't invest a lot into feelings. The vast array of narratives that I used to tie into feelings produced enough hurt and confusion from destroyed expectations, they can't be trusted completely. Feelings are often distortions or based on them. I have feelings, I just don't let them lead me. My own, or anyone else's. It's not a sociopathic thing. I respect feelings and accept them to a degree, I just don't cater to them as being more important than intention. I also don't think anyone else has to be like me or think this way. The person I'm most likely to feel for and help are the weak, old and infirm or children. Aside from that, a person who is trying really hard and needs a hand. I'll help that person. Not someone who has sat down and just puts out their hand. An adult asking for help should be difficult and a little shameful. If it isn't, it's an exploitation of a strangers guilt.
There are people who manipulate other people by playing on their feelings. I have no time for that. My wife is good at that one and she still sneaks it by me. I resent her because she reminds me that I'm susceptible. She's the biggest struggle I have. She slips under the rational to work from the emotional and can blindside me. Its like this irrational creature that floats around, above, behind and beside me that I have to contend with like trying to reason with the wind.
He is talking about me I guess
Bram Valkenburg I guess 🤷🏽♂️
Exactly the same happened to me
Not talking about me
Certainty a curse - uncertainty even worse!
"Ideologies are not good because they don't have mothers"
Correct! Ideologies are not competible with reality! It only sets you up for failure! When reality comes face to face with your ideology that is when you will... suicide!
Reality is often disappointing... Ask Thanos
@@donatello9482 just ask yoursel! Why do you need someones opinion? Isnt yours enough!
Wow!
China, Russia, India united would be crazy... but they do have solid families and respect for each other.
I admire that.
Well, what about the acres of prisons being built in China today. Russians have a background of extreme cruelty who knows about today. India's Chaste system speaks badly of humanism.
@@raewynurwin4256 I think you mean caste system.
They wouldn't be united or they too would lose their cultural heritage and identity to each other. Peterson is talking about how they each would reject Western consumerism or nihilism. Not united and united wouldn't be so great for anyone. India probably would be on the more reasonable side of things but its hard to say.
I know exactly what happens. I grew up in a Christian fundamentalist household with a set of axioms and dogmas. There was an all knowing, all powerful, all loving creator (God) who dwelled in a place called heaven. There was a purely evil deity (Satan) who was the opposite of God, and who dwelled in a place called hell. There was a code of ethics (based on the bible, the ten commandments, the gospels, etc.) that one must follow in order to become closer to God/heaven. Those who believed in God's son (Jesus Christ) as their Lord and Savior and who attempted to follow the ethical codes made it into heaven. Those who didn't made it into hell. This gave structure, guidance, and ultimate meaning to my existence. There was a clear north and a clear south, and no one wanted to go south while everyone wanted to go north. When God Died in my life (at the age of 16) all of this collapsed into ashes. There was no longer an objective moral code, for there was no law giver beyond the subjective individual. There was no longer an eternal afterlife (or any afterlife) to either look forward to or be terrified of. There was no free will, for the 1st cause was not an all knowing, all powerful, all loving deity, but rather it was a no-nothing, all powerful, amoral phenomenon. The world was void of any objective meaning, any objective morality, and was even devoid of any true agency or choice. The world was a nihilistic hellhole. A horrifying accident that never should have been. Now, this path was necessary for me to go through. As Nietzsche understood, nihilism is the logical consequence of the Death of God but NOT the end result. But he also knew that many would not make it out of nihilism. Plenty would perish in it, and I myself barely scraped by through the skin of my teeth.
2:12
4:53
5:12
You go through a tough time and hopefully form a new, better belief system/discernment and surround yourself with better people
NOOOOOOOO!!!!
put the pepsi down doc
The answer is to stop having belief systems and learn the truth about things, no belief in the sun is needed. I'm a meta doubter. I'm about one thing and that is that there are no certainties, all is an exercise in futility. Just be, take the ZEN approach and everything will be fine.
“There are no certainties”... he says assuredly.
@5:17 I'm just discovering Dostoyevsky apparently described me word for word in one of his books. Peterson might find it darkly comical but I sure as hell am not laughing...
I'm going through this right now and it fucking sucks! Every time I develop and try out a new game, sooner or later it gets demolished by real-world experience. Figuring out how to control and behave in this world is near damn impossible with so much noise, possibilities, and views going around.
My solution has always been to close myself off from most people and have a steady focus on a particular goal I want to achieve. But since all of us are dependent on work, and as much as I'd rather have the attitude "It's what I think", you are going to have to deal with the fact that you have to be evaluated and judged to get anywhere in life.
And the higher your aim, the more judging, and evaluations you have to go through. Being on top is not all that it seems but I guess it is much better than a lot of other things in life. You have to deal with constant pressure though and it is not fun at times. You work your ass off just to fall off.
I only believe in myself...so far so good
"If our beliefs about the nature of reality serve to minimize death anxiety, then whenever we encounter people who do not share our beliefs, whether we are aware of it or not, we have a problem. Because if we accept the validity of an alternative conception of reality, we necessarily do so by undermining the confidence with which we subscribe to our own beliefs. And once that happens, we expose ourselves to the very anxiety that our beliefs were erected to diminish in the first place." - Sheldon Solomon
Well, sure. But one needn't worry about any of that if he sets a standard for himself of epistemic responsibility..
@@SineEyed That level of responsibility is too great a burden for most people, sadly.
@@Torgo1969 so it would seem.. 😔
Yeah, I’ve been through this...
Jesus said, "I am the way the truth and the life". John 14:6.
Now people have only three choices.
A. It's true
B. It's not true
C. I don't know
If you don't know, give yourself the opportunity to see if what Jesus said is true.
No matter what people decide, it will effect their life, you can run, you can hide or you can fight but you all will have to face the question.
Even Jesus had great doubt before his enlightenment, when nailed to the cross uttered the words, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
What's the question again?..
D. Don't push me to choose, I won't
It's not true.... God said He is the only Saviour, there is none else. He also said He won't share His glory. There is no Jesus to believe in.
@@pinky9440 correct !
I’ve noticed that unlearning is at least as important as learning.
Overcome by bliss, the devil's plea for mercy is unabated.
"Drowning in possibility," that's me.
You think you will drown in the sea of possibility - but then you breath - Suddenly you are more then you thought you were. The spark of the divine comes alive in you. The impossible becomes possible.
*Just breath.* In the breath of man is the breath of God.
subtle reference to ‘clean your room’
In this video, he says we’ll speak about creating your own value system later. Does anyone know of any clips of him speaking about this?
9:19 now
Man's search for meaning is the purpose of human life. Even if someone gives you the whole truth from your infancy, you will not be able to understand it without struggling to live up to it. A personal belief system that falls apart is one that was only presumed. Our job is to seek the good, the truth and the beautiful, and to isolate ourselves from the cruel, evil, stupid, and ugly as well as we can. How can this fall apart?
Nice explanation of Dugin at the end. Sounds a lot like the Catholic principle of Subsidiarity.
It was just getting interesting when it cut out - I had not heard of Dugin before. Putin is a bit of an enigma, and not one I put any faith in, so it would be nice to understand how he is informed and whose thinking he follows! Any ideas where I should go on this?
@@melrussell8542, please, watch this: ruclips.net/video/YOd9sy-RZNE/видео.html
Also there must be a video of Putin's spiritual father talking about Putin but not sure if i can find it, and most likely it's in Russian. Would be nice if i can manage to find it and translate. Anyway i remember the main idea that Putin is a bit of enigma, since it's hard to comprehend how you can be so patriotic and so in favor of the West at the same time.
i know it probably sounds unbelievable, but Putin really likes the West and Western culture, other people in Russia who are at the same level of patriotism are much more critical of the West, much more irritated. And he is probably right and more logical on this matter.
i don't think that Putin listens to Dugin much, Dugin is too sophisticated in his speeches, it's hard to follow sometimes. There is a consensus among spiritual leaders of Russia (bishops, priests, philosophers, writers) that in the 90-s we drank from western canalization not from tap water. Now they try to fix it, taking all the good and filtering garbage.
Anyhow, if you want to know what Putin thinks just watch RT, it's his bullhorn.
@@MuchLowerThanThat Yes. Putin is a creampuff compared to a lot of people in Russia. As far as I know, Putin didn't come close to starvation in the 1990s under the drunken Yeltsin, but a LOT of Russians did, or knew people that did. It's hard to imagine the level of humiliation that Russians must have felt after trusting Yeltsin to lead them. He ended up being a drunken degenerate puppet of the degenerate Bill Clinton to the point that Russia could do nothing while her ally Serbia was bombed for 78 days.
I think "I don't know" is a perfectly intelligent answer.
You don't have to believe your thoughts, consider all your believes and ideologies to be assumptions at best. They could be true. What you're left with is an open mind that doesn't have to construct a particular set of believes to feel secure. Sounds easy, but indeed most people rather cling to a particular belief system, which they defend to the death, than dealing with the uncomfortable feeling of not able to trust everything you think.
Sometimes losing your belief system can be the most liberating experience
Lol. "I dont know," is all I know.
Just described me.
Anyone has the link to full lecture?
I have my little "believies" that make me feel good.
That sounds like it's from Daniel Dennett!
Let's see. There was Zeitgeist the Movie in '08. That and a rationalism-fueled college education got rid of my Christian upbringing and turned me into kind of a militant atheist and materialist. Then I stepped into a class on Consciousness studies and couldn't produce arguments against what I was learning, and that turned me into a hippy believing in energies and the collective unconscious. Now I'd like to think I stand somewhere in the middle.
Whenever you identify with something your intelligence will only work around that i think people needs to learn what is inside them before they start listening to others
Indeed. After a lot of floundering around that's what I did. I started from me....what do I really believe inside myself. Then I went on to look at belief systems and why that makes sense to me and that doesn't. If you don't have your own solid criteria as a starting point you can rationalise almost anything you are told. Yes, absolutely....start from yourself and work out....not from what others tell you and work in.
Stop looking for marbles...they don't exist, except when they "roll"
You start taking the road less travelled, in the inner most reached of yr soul. Depressions can turn out to be healthy then!
I can't help but chuckle at your opening line Dr Peterson. Because the Nhialists clearly didn't understand Christianity - and of all the world religions Christianity is the only one I feel capable of the utopian ideal.
Christianity never abandons the present moment, because, what we do in life is the manifestation of who we are. Christians are very much living in the hear and now.
The problem for humanity is that it falls short of that utopian ideal, because, people are self-centred and act with self interest - and being given the law and 10 commandments did nothing to fix this. For whenever we seek perfection by doing good, we act in self-interest. This is the paradox of self righteousness which Christianity seeks to explore. And the message from God, in the Bible, is that WE CANNOT FIX OURSELVES.
According to the Christan message, a person is fixed by God - and having been fixed that person is free to do good. They have a restored relationship with their creator. It is only in this way that a person can truly achieve the utopian ideal in the present moment. Because, that ideal requires that we love others more than we love ourselves - and the Christan is enabled to do this because they could want for nothing more.
The world's understanding of Christianity is backward. Christians don't do good so that they might have future glory. Christians are people who have already received future glory - and it is that which enables them to do good now.
I miss Jordan Peterson. Where is he?
His wife is very sick she has been diagnosed with a rare cancer, he's spending his time with her in the hospital that's why his last couple of lecturers he was overly emotional and said he had a lot going on in his family
@@katrinawright5388 Thank you.
Well that's not the worst part of why he's not around at all is because of his wife's illness it made him depressed with suicidal thoughts so he has checked himself into rehab..you will find the details on Google.. Jordan Peterson, the Canadian psychologist and anti-political-correctness crusader, has checked himself in to rehab in New York,
@@katrinawright5388 Yeah, I heard about this, but thought everything got better already...
@@yifatcarmi3380 I feel weird talking about him but I feel he is struggling with his own demons or as he calls it his shadow, he seems to struggle with forboding life pain... I've really watched his mannerisms and I see he controls a bad stutter. He has never mentioned it but really observe his speech... as a child he would have been looked down on and teased relentless for this I feel this could be his hidden pain and his goal was to be the most intelligent speaker he could be..what are your thoughts on this I could be wrong
we are always emotional in all our beliefs ... is how you know you believe in something to begin with! you get an emotional reaction to realize something and that make you conscious to believe what you experience! a human Cannot step out of its' own intellect and biology! if you could it would mean you have a conscious Out of Body Experience! OBE is considered by science as a defense mechanism to protect us to feel the trauma... such as when we fall to our death but survive and later remember we experienced we were outside of the body... we are Always emotional in All observations of our selves and what we think we believe in, such as science. You are not science because you read a Fact book of a subject, you are simply having an emotional experience that give you a sense of logic understanding, no matter how logic the understanding is it is still the emotional experience that kick your consciousness to feel you understand/believe what you just learned. so anyone saying they are logical and do not need to belief or emotions is actually the most non-scientific and stupid person in the room! while the ones that admit they feel emotional and believe what they feel as true are honest about how the human psyche and biology actually works to come to a conclusion! but nerds often think they are above emotions as they are introvert personalities and programmed to believe they are above those that are extrovert personalities as all those outgoing emotions scare their defense mechanism to be in control of their emotions, which means controlling emotions is a highly emotional response to what an introvert person fear! conclusion of this ramble is that we are All basing what we do on emotions add we can never get out of it unless we actualky die!
So much in depth knowledge in 9 minutes... It's a bit too in your face #theTruthHurts
There's a black area between the old certainties falling away and replacing them with alternative values. Beware that transitional stage.
As for certainty, I make all my decisions with a degree of uncertainty. Sure, I choose a partner and commit but I am aware that it may not work out. I choose a career but I keep looking around to make sure I made the correct decision. Why is that a problem? I make the best decisions based on the available data and then review them as new data becomes available. Not always, but I've always regretted the exceptions.
I am for acting as a counterposition to nihilistic liberalism
My beliefs= jordan peterson
I mean I can't say I don't see why he'd think that and he does have a point.
What is this course?
The thing is that certainty is not necessarily a black and white issue, it's a gradient, so yeah when you lose your belief system you will find it very hard to feel certain about any other entire belief system but you can still take things to a higher level, go the the place that all belief systems draw from, to the basics, many of the things that belief systems touted are universal, like do unto other as you would have them do unto you, you can believe in that without having to believe in Christianity as a religion or in Jesus as a savior, the power of that idea comes from within it, not based on where it comes from (which should be how you view and evaluate all ideas).
Is there a full version of this lecture..?
ruclips.net/video/SsoVhKo4UvQ/видео.html
Read about Gustavo Bueno!
What if I doubt my meta doubting
is he saying that one needs a belief system to exist in a steady manner?
Wait, I disagree with this. I really think there is a third way here because I feel as Ive done it personally when I dropped all my beliefs which was very painful initially. When you are carrying emotional wounds around you become desensitised to your own extra-sensory perceptions which give you joy and a feeling that its good to be here. You can remove that debri and find a more natural way of being. There are ways to verify something by the inner intuitions you have. I am a woman maybe its easier for me to connect to this, than for men. Who knows. My father refuses to deal with his fear and self hatred, now he has no idea what joy is... joy doesnt need mental belief... its just there anyway when you heal the wounds... dogs and babies have it...
my belief system falls apart every week
believe: ''i am sure about the validity and truth of an idea or an event''
faith: ''delete the above statement''
No one persons belief system falls apart in singularity. You can have yes manned subjective echos to nonsensical manipulations as to what someone else should believe, but a witch gets burnt alive for saying no. Take that no or burn the witch its that simple. People all have different sentiments of greed and pride, a lot of us we just cant NOT do. Its not a what we will not, its just not a possibility. Death is more inviting as an absolution to our principles.
Whats the name of the Dostoyevsky book he’s referencing?
Notes from the Underground. He said it
"...and you're going to make decisions one after another, about which, if you're not certain you cannot make" This is just simply not true. Why not? Why can't I just make a choice and at the same time have no certainty about it? I do this every day, all the time. And if I make a choice and THINK I have certainty about it, I am just simply deluding myself. What leads me to unhappiness is the need for certainty - not the lack of it.
My belief system has been desrtoyed in one part of my life and betrayed in another aspect. How do I go about rebuilding? Sad case I'm sure but I'm intelligent though frozen with indecision. HELP!! At this point anything would be of benefit. A lecture, a reading, any idea for my next steps. Thank you.
me too matey. Me too. It's sad. I've been able to be so effective in my life before and then crash.
I think I idealised my life a lot and then that shattered. So I'm kinda just trying to see my life for what it is and where I am with things, and then moving from there. I feel like I don't know what my values even are anymore, but I also have this sense that things will work out with time and I'll be back on track again
Been there. Frozen, immobile, lost, confused and afraid. Try starting from you. Figure out your own core values. Your own core understanding. And whatever that is go forward from there ...and try to do it with a positive frame of mind. Start from the position of "I am a child of the universe and I have a right to be here"....I have the capacity for thought and my thoughts are valid. Go right back to scratch....do I believe in God or not. What do I conceive God to be? (if applicable). What are my options that match my belief. What is my way forward with the beliefs I hold. What values/morals can be built on this belief. What actions can I take to further my values. Figure out who you are first....then figure out which positive direction you can go in with that. If all else fails be kind to you and to others around you....that works well whatever you believe/don't believe.
@@fatimahsharpe9113 thats good advice. I'll try iy.
@@robertkey9991 I hope it helps. Beyond the first couple of steps I found it helpful to write it down so that I wasn't just spinning with ideas. I wrote myself a big list of what constitutes a valid religion to the best of my understanding then made myself a list of religions and went through a process of elimination. Example..it has to have God .so Buddhism is out. No small sects because God has to be available to everyone. Etc etc.
@@robertkey9991 oops...I pressed send before I finished. It's not a quick process but at least you are not floundering... You are getting somewhere. And if you believe in God, if the going gets tough, pray. Ask Him to help you. And you may not find a 100% perfect answer...but you can probably find something good enough to work with. I'd be interested to know where you end up. Come back in a couple of years and let me know please. Good luck. 😀
I can see it now. I know what you’re doing. Thank you for the service you are doing. I’d love to be a patient of yours. I have pretty bad ptsd. Thanks again