@answeringadventism thanks @Myles for having @Joe Heschmeyer on would love to see more of you guys together. Your Catholic brother Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
7:20 spot on. "All we're asking is the same respect" of referring to the original/primary source documents when refuting our beliefs. From what I've noticed, I don't think the SDA rumour mongers are capable of doing that. They are either too lazy and/or incompetent to actually do some meaningful research, or they're flatout liars. Either way, they miss the mark big time. What a joke.
@@bonbarras9967 they think citing obscure one off quotes from a single priest in the 1800s is “primary sources” unfortunately. You only ever see them circulate and cite the same handful of statements that they think support their claim that the Pope changed the sabbath when they: 1. Aren’t primary sources and; 2. They aren’t saying what the SDA thinks
@@answeringadventismare you still trying to reach SDAs or are you trying to ridicule them? This clipped video suggests the latter. From what I can gather, Dr O was trying to make the point that the Catholic Church is aware of the SDA church (and its beliefs), so he cited a Catholic publication. Simple. You have turned it into “look guys, he didn’t quote the Vatican. Let’s laugh and point fingers”. If you genuinely want to reach SDAs, you might want to change tact.
@@codedee obviously you didn’t listen. This was an icebreaker question before a 2 hour discussion. Furthermore, no, it evidenced Dr. O is clueless thinking that Catholic Answers is the Catholic Church because their website is Catholic dot com. Catholic answers is an independent organization it’s not a “Catholic publication”. He couldn’t even be bothered to learn what he was looking at before misleading people. The same thing Adventists love to claim is done when people cite Adventist sources. You can balk and scoff at this platform yet literally thousands of people are leaving Adventism due to our efforts. So your criticism is irrelevant when the facts don’t match your claim.
@@answeringadventism no, I listened. You promised that not all questions were going to be this ‘wild’. I’m not sure how this is relevant to the question I asked, which is are you focused on ridiculing or reaching SDAs? (As to me at least, it looks like that latter.) Why would you clip this portion of your two hour discussion and refer to Dr O’s summary of a Catholic publication as an ‘HILARIOUS rant’, if your goal is to reach him and others lost in the SDA ‘cult’? Again, laughing and pointing fingers (over nonsense), suggests your intent isn’t as noble as you would like others to believe. In regard to your ‘facts’ concerning leading others out of the SDA church, the Bible talks of a sifting/purifying of God’s church, so this is to be expected and would happen with or without you.
Your statements suit critic's context of view, a church with celebrity status which gives you earnings from you tube for sure you critics need to give back to the church your employer 😕😕😕😕
Have you done a video going over what exactly the law of liberty is in james? I'm kind of stumped on this question, and I don't know how to answer. And also, how exactly do you answer the Matthew Five seventeen, not one job nor one title will pass from the law. I'm gonna say im a little stumped on how to answer these questions.
@@RemingtonTripp James 2: 10-12, is very clear and simple. If you and i braike one of the liest of thiest commandments. We broke it all. James 2:12, explain it's self, that God's LAW which is God's commandment's. The law it's self is going to judge us. The title Jesus is taking about. Not of His commandment's, going to be over look. Jesus said Obey My commandments, as I OBEY My Farther's commandments. The seventh day Sabbath, many people tramping on going to be judged because of that. Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony, if they do not speak according to this word there is know truth in them.
@@EarlMaphike-st5pl Earl, Keep in mind that James, as the head of the Jerusalem Church, is probably primarily writing to Jewish Christians. The context of the whole book is what it means to live by the "Law of Liberty" (James 2:12). James is arguing that you aren't truly living by this law of love if it doesn't manifest itself in the way you treat and care for others of all socio-economic levels. To illustrate his point James quotes a well known rabbinical saying that references the Mosaic law, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all." James 2:10. His Jewish readers would have been very familiar with this saying. James is not suggesting that Christians are under the Mosaic Law or that perfection is required for salvation, but he does brilliantly illustrate how Christians that now live under the "law of liberty" are still called upon to live out all of the commands Jesus gave to Christians. What I am trying to say, is that it is a bit dangerous to pull a rabbinical quote that was used for illustration out of it's quoted context and then ask how it may or may not apply to Christians. The simple answer is, it does not, it is only used to illustrate the fact that Christians are called to be totally committed to the law of love in the same way Jews were called to be totally committed to every aspect of the Mosaic law. Any other application would put this verse at odds with the rest of the NT. James' letter came to encourage them in the often hostile conditions in which they lived. This was perhaps the first written instruction reminding these Jews who had found the Messiah how to live as Christ-followers. He had only the law and the prophets as Scriptural references, and he used them to support the new reality in which they found themselves: no longer under the law, but required to surrender to the "royal law" of Christ. I really like James 2:12 where he says, "Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment." The "law that brings freedom" is not the Torah; it (including the 10 Commandments) brought death. The law that brings freedom is the royal law, "Love your neighbor as yourself" (v. 8), as Jesus made clear in his Sermon on the Mount. It is the law that can only be kept through the power of the Holy Spirit. It is the law that comes to life within the new covenant. James is reminding these scattered Jewish believers that although they are not under the law because Jesus had fulfilled it, still they are expected to live as children of God, honoring and surrendering to Him and serving one another.
"Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome. The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience." (Great Controversy, p. 588. Pacific Press, 1911.)
"In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful. 1. Alif, Lam, Meem. 2. This is the Book in which there is no doubt, a guide for the righteous. 3. Those who believe in the unseen, and perform the prayers, and give from what We have provided for them." (The Quran, Chapter 3, verses 1-3) “And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.” (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10) See, I can post quotes from the "holy books" of false religions, too!
The seventh day Adventist Church, and the Roman Catholic Church. Will be the last two churches that will stand at the last day's. Seventh day Adventist have the full truth, it's much better too be a seventh day Adventist. And worship God in Spirit and truth 🙏.
@@jsimoes9424 S,D,A Have nothing against the Roman Catholic Church. The Bible it's self, speak again's the Roman power. Daniel 7:25. What happened to God's fourth commandment, The power, say it's the third commandment. As a seventh day Adventist, i love all religion's, but truth is my first priority thank you God bless you all.
@@jsimoes9424 Jesus is coming soon for His bride. Are we ready, stop the criticism. Preach the gospel Jesus loves that. Matthew 24:14. I love you guy's in Jesus name.
As an ex 3rd generation SDA beliver to the core. I assure you SDA doesn’t have one bit of bible truth. I dived deep to find the truth. She was ordained as pastor to lead a group with her false prophesies that none matches with what is going on. She plagiarized all her work from scholars for her own self gain and mixed it. She totally missed the real meaning of the New Testament and the reason of a new covenant under the Lamb’s blood. She was wicked enforcing the old covenant Sabbath when Paul explained many times to not fall for that and why. 2,000 visions and all were lies. Wake up. The last prphet was John the Baptist and last Apostle was John at Patmos. After that is the Bible ONLY. I hope you start reading chapters not little verses SDAs give you.
@@yild6227 did you 'dived deep to find the truth'? -- how do you explain Psalm 119:142, 151 ? His Commandments = Truth -- do you agree? Ex 20:8-11 is one of His Commandments -- undeniable. so can i keep the 7th day Sabbath and be a catholic -- or can i not?
There is a chance this comment will deflate or cause a bit of disappointment. But I have to say the truth of the matter. If we are going to use SDA magazines like review and herald and such and claim that what they say mirrors Adventism, then we have to likewise agree that these Catholic materials cited in this video also reflect the Catholic ideals, and beliefs. Therefore, if we’re going to use that line of reasoning, then we have to say that what that article said does, in fact, reflect Catholic beliefs. So this Catholic gentleman’s statements are not very convincing here. I don’t feel we are totally consistent on this one. Sorry Miles (Myles? Sorry). But I’m still watching all your stuff. It’s always helpful.
@@inspiredasmr1031 no we don’t. Catholic Answers isn’t an official arm of the Roman Catholic Church. The Review & Herald IS an official publishing arm of the SDA Church. It would be like me citing Doug Batchelor’s AmazingFacts and claiming that’s the Adventist Church, when, AmazingFacts is an independent organization run by SDA individuals. From the Review & Herald’s own website: “The Review and Herald Publishing Association continues to be the oldest institution of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, predating even the organization of the church itself. Our church pioneers were faced with the challenge of the best way to “herald” the wonderful Bible truths that they were “reviewing” to more and more people.” Dr. O conflated Catholic Answers with the Vatican. And he did so to claim the Roman Catholic Church is reading Ellen White. When, no, this was a tract page on an independent Catholic apologetics organizations website which was seeking to explain to Catholics that being an Adventist is tied to being anti-Catholic. The article didn’t go into “Catholic beliefs” but sought to explain how Adventism is anti-Catholic.
@@answeringadventism thanks. I’m mostly convinced. However wasn’t it mentioned that this was a bishop who wrote the article(s) or was affiliated with or signed off on them? And we consider Amazing Facts as being almost as official as Review and Herald. Doug Batchelor speaks for SDA just about as much if not more than the GC. It’s not necessarily “official” but they wouldn’t dare deny the Amazing Facts cash cow. But if we are splitting hairs, only 28 SDA Beliefs and the GC would be considered official and maybe a few others. Right?
@@answeringadventism I personally consider Batchelor and Finley and Goldstein and some of the others you show blurbs of, to be pretty much SDA cannon. They consider themselves to be, so why not, I say. Thanks for all your hard work. I have a separate RUclips channel. It takes me hours upon hours to make a 20 min video, how do you do it? The research time alone…
Peace and love brothers, If I may humbly mention that the issue is when we conflagrate people and institutions. We need to steer away from putting ourselves one against one another, the true body of Christ. We need to understand that man-built structures of power, even when originated by God no matter the denomination are not infallible, and can ultimately be used by the enemy for his own end. Case and point, Jesus was killed by his own instituted religious structure. The people worshiped the religious structure and identity more than God Himself. When God showed them He was not in agreement with them. They would rather kill Him to maintain their religious identity. We're all vulnerable to that, when we lean on our own understanding. Understand dear brothers and sisters, the enemy works in subtle ways. We're not each other's enemy. An institution no matter what it is; is a non sentient entity with no loyalty, no feelings, and can be steered any direction by whoever ends up in charge. That's my humble two cents. Blessings and love of Jesus Christ to all!
@@jholyroller6048 Sorry, you can't be trusted as a source for truth. SDA definitely are saved, you never met one obviously. God is doing miracles in their life as well and they receive the promise of God and have the same Gospel. The theological mistakes mean nothing, all denominations have them.
@@answeringadventism He was careful to not directly attack the SDA church or the speaker, because he knows on his side of the situation is a church with a Pope who is scripturally most guilty of "apostasy" in every sense of the word in declaring that "all religions lead to god". The fact is the way God sees it, each non-Christian religions lead to a different god! Polytheism is rampant! The "Allah" of the Moslems is not either the God of the Jews or our God the Father, or Jesus Christ, "God in the Flesh". For an honest Roman Catholic to attack the SDA church would be like the "pot calling the kettle black". Doctrinally, they both have "skeletons in the closet". For the record I am not an "Adventist Christian", I am a born RCC, and in my fellowship with them I have found it disappointing that none I have met actually know the Bible. Their core values are to be commended, but scripturally, they are as ignorant as any Mormon. Unfortunately, their fixation on the "state of the dead" gets in the way of the true Gospel. You are young, and I an not sure of your personal issue with the SDA's, but overall, it comes across as snide. Their main problem is you have many life-long Adventists, and all they can do is form some sort of "woe is us" new group, since they have both trouble adapting and being accepted by other groups as true "brothers and sisters in Christ". As for your agenda, at this time, if you are not careful, you could be set up as some sort of new "group leader", forming another "former Adventist cult group" as Dale Ratzlaff has done, and of course, he is enjoying the loyal SDA tithe/offering checks diverted to him. So, unless you are trying to form up a cult group of your own, is there a better none-apostate church to fellowship with? By the way, I am not seeing you as any sort of "superior guiding light" to follow.
How is someone who has dedicated much of their life and time to reach back and warn SDA's because they see that it is heresy, a "ha gotcha type fundamentalist? Or are you referring to the wacky Pastor Olatunji as the fundamentalist?
“Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.' -Catholic Record, September 1, 1923 “The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.” -The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4. “Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.” -C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895
Did you listen to the video? You just proved his point. Adventists don't look at primary, authoritative sources, but cite a limited number of obscure ones, that fall short of what the Catholic Church actually teaches.
@@Marco-fn6zq thanks for proving the point. You not only don’t know what you’re citing, but those aren’t primary sources. You think if a Catholic said it it’s a primary source. That’s like if I cited Doug Batchelor and claimed that’s the seventh day Adventist church speaking 😂
@@answeringadventism What you said doesn’t make sense. These are credible sources and it really isn’t hard to see anyway that this is what the Catholic Church believes. Do you really think that Protestants came up with the false doctrine of Sunday sacredness and the immortality of the soul? You’re deceived my friend. “That’s like if I cited Doug Batchelor and claimed that’s the seventh day Adventist church speaking.” Ironically, you do do this.
@@Marco-fn6zq He's saying it's like you're quoting a New York Times newspaper interview with a low-level Catholic priest in New York & then saying this is the official stance of the Vatican in Rome. That is not a primary source. Only documents produced by Vatican in Rome are primary documents.
@answeringadventism thanks @Myles for having @Joe Heschmeyer on would love to see more of you guys together. Your Catholic brother Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
Doesn't "know the difference between the Vatican & Catholic Answers" 👈🤪 pretty much sums it up.
SDA comedy hour 😅
an Adventist follows the Word of God, catholicism clearly does not.
lol oh how fun! Did not expect this! I like the creativity finding new angels around new content keeping the subject fresh and interesting.
7:20 spot on. "All we're asking is the same respect" of referring to the original/primary source documents when refuting our beliefs. From what I've noticed, I don't think the SDA rumour mongers are capable of doing that. They are either too lazy and/or incompetent to actually do some meaningful research, or they're flatout liars. Either way, they miss the mark big time. What a joke.
@@bonbarras9967 they think citing obscure one off quotes from a single priest in the 1800s is “primary sources” unfortunately. You only ever see them circulate and cite the same handful of statements that they think support their claim that the Pope changed the sabbath when they:
1. Aren’t primary sources and;
2. They aren’t saying what the SDA thinks
@@answeringadventism exactly! It is a well rehearsed script being fed to them en masse. Very sad, really.
@@answeringadventismare you still trying to reach SDAs or are you trying to ridicule them?
This clipped video suggests the latter. From what I can gather, Dr O was trying to make the point that the Catholic Church is aware of the SDA church (and its beliefs), so he cited a Catholic publication. Simple. You have turned it into “look guys, he didn’t quote the Vatican. Let’s laugh and point fingers”.
If you genuinely want to reach SDAs, you might want to change tact.
@@codedee obviously you didn’t listen. This was an icebreaker question before a 2 hour discussion. Furthermore, no, it evidenced Dr. O is clueless thinking that Catholic Answers is the Catholic Church because their website is Catholic dot com. Catholic answers is an independent organization it’s not a “Catholic publication”. He couldn’t even be bothered to learn what he was looking at before misleading people. The same thing Adventists love to claim is done when people cite Adventist sources.
You can balk and scoff at this platform yet literally thousands of people are leaving Adventism due to our efforts. So your criticism is irrelevant when the facts don’t match your claim.
@@answeringadventism no, I listened. You promised that not all questions were going to be this ‘wild’. I’m not sure how this is relevant to the question I asked, which is are you focused on ridiculing or reaching SDAs? (As to me at least, it looks like that latter.) Why would you clip this portion of your two hour discussion and refer to Dr O’s summary of a Catholic publication as an ‘HILARIOUS rant’, if your goal is to reach him and others lost in the SDA ‘cult’? Again, laughing and pointing fingers (over nonsense), suggests your intent isn’t as noble as you would like others to believe.
In regard to your ‘facts’ concerning leading others out of the SDA church, the Bible talks of a sifting/purifying of God’s church, so this is to be expected and would happen with or without you.
🔥WOW🔥thanks Myles 🔥 GB 🕊️
Your statements suit critic's context of view, a church with celebrity status which gives you earnings from you tube for sure you critics need to give back to the church your employer 😕😕😕😕
Have you done a video going over what exactly the law of liberty is in james? I'm kind of stumped on this question, and I don't know how to answer.
And also, how exactly do you answer the Matthew Five seventeen, not one job nor one title will pass from the law.
I'm gonna say im a little stumped on how to answer these questions.
@@RemingtonTripp James 2: 10-12, is very clear and simple. If you and i braike one of the liest of thiest commandments. We broke it all. James 2:12, explain it's self, that God's LAW which is God's commandment's. The law it's self is going to judge us. The title Jesus is taking about. Not of His commandment's, going to be over look. Jesus said Obey My commandments, as I OBEY My Farther's commandments. The seventh day Sabbath, many people tramping on going to be judged because of that. Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony, if they do not speak according to this word there is know truth in them.
@@EarlMaphike-st5pl Earl, Keep in mind that James, as the head of the Jerusalem Church, is probably primarily writing to Jewish Christians. The context of the whole book is what it means to live by the "Law of Liberty" (James 2:12). James is arguing that you aren't truly living by this law of love if it doesn't manifest itself in the way you treat and care for others of all socio-economic levels. To illustrate his point James quotes a well known rabbinical saying that references the Mosaic law, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all." James 2:10. His Jewish readers would have been very familiar with this saying.
James is not suggesting that Christians are under the Mosaic Law or that perfection is required for salvation, but he does brilliantly illustrate how Christians that now live under the "law of liberty" are still called upon to live out all of the commands Jesus gave to Christians.
What I am trying to say, is that it is a bit dangerous to pull a rabbinical quote that was used for illustration out of it's quoted context and then ask how it may or may not apply to Christians. The simple answer is, it does not, it is only used to illustrate the fact that Christians are called to be totally committed to the law of love in the same way Jews were called to be totally committed to every aspect of the Mosaic law. Any other
application would put this verse at odds with the rest of the NT.
James' letter came to encourage them in the often hostile conditions in which they lived. This was perhaps the first written instruction reminding these Jews who had found the Messiah how to live as Christ-followers. He had only the law and the prophets as Scriptural references, and he used them to support the new reality in which they found themselves: no longer under the law, but required to surrender to the "royal law" of Christ.
I really like James 2:12 where he says, "Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment."
The "law that brings freedom" is not the Torah; it (including the 10 Commandments) brought death. The law that brings freedom is the royal law, "Love your neighbor as yourself" (v. 8), as Jesus made clear in his Sermon on the Mount. It is the law that can only be kept through the power of the Holy Spirit. It is the law that comes to life within the new covenant.
James is reminding these scattered Jewish believers that although they are not under the law because Jesus had fulfilled it, still they are expected to live as children of God, honoring and surrendering to Him and serving one another.
"Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome. The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience." (Great Controversy, p. 588. Pacific Press, 1911.)
@@BeYeSeparate yeah, we know. We looked at this silly quote in the discussion.
Amen
"In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
1. Alif, Lam, Meem.
2. This is the Book in which there is no doubt, a guide for the righteous.
3. Those who believe in the unseen, and perform the prayers, and give from what We have provided for them."
(The Quran, Chapter 3, verses 1-3)
“And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.”
(Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10)
See, I can post quotes from the "holy books" of false religions, too!
@@DamonNomad82 👍
@@robertbaker231 Why would you give approval to someone who quotes
the Quran and the Book of Mormon, two false teachings?
Resurrection day Pentecost day Lord's day Eighth day
Is this an old video
The seventh day Adventist Church, and the Roman Catholic Church. Will be the last two churches that will stand at the last day's. Seventh day Adventist have the full truth, it's much better too be a seventh day Adventist. And worship God in Spirit and truth 🙏.
There will also be evangelical churches, Protestant churches and others. What is this obsession SDAs have against Catholics?
@@jsimoes9424 S,D,A Have nothing against the Roman Catholic Church. The Bible it's self, speak again's the Roman power. Daniel 7:25. What happened to God's fourth commandment, The power, say it's the third commandment. As a seventh day Adventist, i love all religion's, but truth is my first priority thank you God bless you all.
@@jsimoes9424 Jesus is coming soon for His bride. Are we ready, stop the criticism. Preach the gospel Jesus loves that. Matthew 24:14. I love you guy's in Jesus name.
As an ex 3rd generation SDA beliver to the core. I assure you SDA doesn’t have one bit of bible truth. I dived deep to find the truth. She was ordained as pastor to lead a group with her false prophesies that none matches with what is going on. She plagiarized all her work from scholars for her own self gain and mixed it. She totally missed the real meaning of the New Testament and the reason of a new covenant under the Lamb’s blood. She was wicked enforcing the old covenant Sabbath when Paul explained many times to not fall for that and why. 2,000 visions and all were lies. Wake up. The last prphet was John the Baptist and last Apostle was John at Patmos. After that is the Bible ONLY. I hope you start reading chapters not little verses SDAs give you.
@@yild6227 did you 'dived deep to find the truth'? -- how do you explain Psalm 119:142, 151 ?
His Commandments = Truth -- do you agree?
Ex 20:8-11 is one of His Commandments -- undeniable.
so can i keep the 7th day Sabbath and be a catholic -- or can i not?
There is a chance this comment will deflate or cause a bit of disappointment. But I have to say the truth of the matter. If we are going to use SDA magazines like review and herald and such and claim that what they say mirrors Adventism, then we have to likewise agree that these Catholic materials cited in this video also reflect the Catholic ideals, and beliefs. Therefore, if we’re going to use that line of reasoning, then we have to say that what that article said does, in fact, reflect Catholic beliefs. So this Catholic gentleman’s statements are not very convincing here. I don’t feel we are totally consistent on this one. Sorry Miles (Myles? Sorry). But I’m still watching all your stuff. It’s always helpful.
@@inspiredasmr1031 no we don’t. Catholic Answers isn’t an official arm of the Roman Catholic Church. The Review & Herald IS an official publishing arm of the SDA Church.
It would be like me citing Doug Batchelor’s AmazingFacts and claiming that’s the Adventist Church, when, AmazingFacts is an independent organization run by SDA individuals.
From the Review & Herald’s own website:
“The Review and Herald Publishing Association continues to be the oldest institution of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, predating even the organization of the church itself. Our church pioneers were faced with the challenge of the best way to “herald” the wonderful Bible truths that they were “reviewing” to more and more people.”
Dr. O conflated Catholic Answers with the Vatican. And he did so to claim the Roman Catholic Church is reading Ellen White. When, no, this was a tract page on an independent Catholic apologetics organizations website which was seeking to explain to Catholics that being an Adventist is tied to being anti-Catholic. The article didn’t go into “Catholic beliefs” but sought to explain how Adventism is anti-Catholic.
@@answeringadventism thanks. I’m mostly convinced. However wasn’t it mentioned that this was a bishop who wrote the article(s) or was affiliated with or signed off on them? And we consider Amazing Facts as being almost as official as Review and Herald. Doug Batchelor speaks for SDA just about as much if not more than the GC. It’s not necessarily “official” but they wouldn’t dare deny the Amazing Facts cash cow. But if we are splitting hairs, only 28 SDA Beliefs and the GC would be considered official and maybe a few others. Right?
@@answeringadventism I personally consider Batchelor and Finley and Goldstein and some of the others you show blurbs of, to be pretty much SDA cannon. They consider themselves to be, so why not, I say. Thanks for all your hard work. I have a separate RUclips channel. It takes me hours upon hours to make a 20 min video, how do you do it? The research time alone…
Peace and love brothers,
If I may humbly mention that the issue is when we conflagrate people and institutions. We need to steer away from putting ourselves one against one another, the true body of Christ. We need to understand that man-built structures of power, even when originated by God no matter the denomination are not infallible, and can ultimately be used by the enemy for his own end. Case and point, Jesus was killed by his own instituted religious structure. The people worshiped the religious structure and identity more than God Himself. When God showed them He was not in agreement with them. They would rather kill Him to maintain their religious identity. We're all vulnerable to that, when we lean on our own understanding. Understand dear brothers and sisters, the enemy works in subtle ways. We're not each other's enemy. An institution no matter what it is; is a non sentient entity with no loyalty, no feelings, and can be steered any direction by whoever ends up in charge. That's my humble two cents.
Blessings and love of Jesus Christ to all!
SDA are brethren, Catholics are not. The end.
SDA are not brethren. They’re heretics
The ones I have encountered are toxic as all hell.
@@tomt373They are all human. Who are you talking about?
Ther both not brothers in christ
@@jholyroller6048 Sorry, you can't be trusted as a source for truth. SDA definitely are saved, you never met one obviously. God is doing miracles in their life as well and they receive the promise of God and have the same Gospel. The theological mistakes mean nothing, all denominations have them.
An SDA (ha-gotcha type) fundamentalist vs. an RCC (word salad) apologist.
BIG FAT DEAL.
@@tomt373 if what he said is a “word salad” than I’m not sure you know what that means.
@@answeringadventism He was careful to not directly attack the SDA church or the speaker, because he knows on his side of the situation is a church with a Pope who is scripturally most guilty of "apostasy" in every sense of the word in declaring that "all religions lead to god".
The fact is the way God sees it, each non-Christian religions lead to a different god! Polytheism is rampant!
The "Allah" of the Moslems is not either the God of the Jews or our God the Father, or Jesus Christ, "God in the Flesh".
For an honest Roman Catholic to attack the SDA church would be like the "pot calling the kettle black".
Doctrinally, they both have "skeletons in the closet".
For the record I am not an "Adventist Christian", I am a born RCC, and in my fellowship with them I have found it disappointing that none I have met actually know the Bible.
Their core values are to be commended, but scripturally, they are as ignorant as any Mormon.
Unfortunately, their fixation on the "state of the dead" gets in the way of the true Gospel.
You are young, and I an not sure of your personal issue with the SDA's, but overall, it comes across as snide.
Their main problem is you have many life-long Adventists, and all they can do is form some sort of "woe is us" new group, since they have both trouble adapting and being accepted by other groups as true "brothers and sisters in Christ".
As for your agenda, at this time, if you are not careful, you could be set up as some sort of new "group leader", forming another "former Adventist cult group" as Dale Ratzlaff has done, and of course, he is enjoying the loyal SDA tithe/offering checks diverted to him.
So, unless you are trying to form up a cult group of your own, is there a better none-apostate church to fellowship with?
By the way, I am not seeing you as any sort of "superior guiding light" to follow.
@@tomt373 you seem a little confused and snide yourself.
How is someone who has dedicated much of their life and time to reach back and warn SDA's because they see that it is heresy, a "ha gotcha type fundamentalist?
Or are you referring to the wacky Pastor Olatunji as the fundamentalist?
@@thenowchurch6419 I think Tomt373 means the being RC is as bad as being SDA.
“Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
-Catholic Record, September 1, 1923
“The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.”
-The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.”
-C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895
Did you listen to the video? You just proved his point. Adventists don't look at primary, authoritative sources, but cite a limited number of obscure ones, that fall short of what the Catholic Church actually teaches.
@@Marco-fn6zq thanks for proving the point. You not only don’t know what you’re citing, but those aren’t primary sources. You think if a Catholic said it it’s a primary source. That’s like if I cited Doug Batchelor and claimed that’s the seventh day Adventist church speaking 😂
@@answeringadventism What you said doesn’t make sense. These are credible sources and it really isn’t hard to see anyway that this is what the Catholic Church believes. Do you really think that Protestants came up with the false doctrine of Sunday sacredness and the immortality of the soul? You’re deceived my friend.
“That’s like if I cited Doug Batchelor and claimed that’s the seventh day Adventist church speaking.”
Ironically, you do do this.
@@Marco-fn6zq He's saying it's like you're quoting a New York Times newspaper interview with a low-level Catholic priest in New York & then saying this is the official stance of the Vatican in Rome. That is not a primary source. Only documents produced by Vatican in Rome are primary documents.
@@kimartist Yes except these aren’t newspaper articles. The same can be said about his channel then.
Myles your are very naive concerning the papacy. Your Protestant ancestors would know better.
Oh brother. Give me a break. You know nothing about my view of the papacy.
@@answeringadventism well your video reveals quite something. And your website reveals even more.
Apparently SDAs know little about the reformation, and then accuse Protestants of not understanding it?