Marble, gold, brass, hard woods, leather, fine silks... mostly not fully paid for, and a lot of Mexican workers who weren't fully compensated, too. Probably would have cost more than Cleopatra if the studio had paid for everything. I agree that Lynch got the ultra sophisticated post-computer antiques look down way more than the new version, not to mention it's more painterly looking... directed by a painter.
i dont care what the critics say/said about this film. Its great. Also there is a Fan Edit version of the film with extra scenes, edited better for a better explanation, makes for a more complete movie
The first half is one of the greatest hours of sci-fi film ever produced!With the performance of actors Jurgen Prochnow,Richard Jordan,Max von Sydow and many others,even Patrick Stewart comes off as an amateur.I feel it merits the description as a masterpiece.
In the longer play version many gurney scenes are cut. i dont think hes an "amateur" but..... perhaps they even outshadow him. Jose Ferrer as the emperor also is a veteran actor and great. francesca annis is also, and played Tuppence in Tommy and Tuppence.
I used to think this movie was convoluted and confusing, but I kept referencing it to explain stuff to friends after we saw the new Dune. I suppose those intrusive voice overs in Dune ‘84 actually do efficiently get a lot of plot out.
Very true. And also, it's not like the whispered voice-overs were a totally contrived idea in the first place. Part of Frank Herbert's writing style for the Dune series includes all of the characters thinking to themselves in internal monologue. Indeed, it was a technique he used in the writing to help get across both exposition of the story and also the deeply complex motivations and secret plans the different characters had. So it made complete sense to use a similar technique in telling the story as a film.
Absolutely. The movie is as great as a six hour movie crammed into 2h 17m could be. Toto did a great job with the ENTIRE soundtrack, but I think the end credits tune is a little out of place and quite the tonal shift. I actually like the credits, and the tune isn't bad, it just feels like an abrupt change
One of the best movies ever made. It never gets the credit it deserves. Fun fact: The actor who plays the main character (Kyle MacLachlan) is the guy who plays The Captain in “How I Met Your Mother.”
After seeing Dennis Villeneuves Trailer so far, it seems like he re-used a lot of Lynch’s Ideas and Visuals. I hope that it led to a new appreciation for the original Film.
@@Shan_Dalamani I mean, it’s a matter of objective fact that the mini series looks like crap. It’s super low budget and ugly. I’d much rather have a condensed story that looks amazing. If I want the Dune story in its entirety I’ll just read the book again.
I really liked the intepretation of Lynch, the weaponized fight for Sardaukar confrontation, the Deformation of the navigatiors to express the large quantity of spice consumed and the inner monologue similarity to soliloquy. I dont know the version that you watched, but there is a scene with the Baron killing a boy pulling the heart plug that makes clear hiss sexuality and perversion, and his cadaver is the one that carry the message to the traitor.
@@Shan_Dalamani simply the story of those who thought themselves immortal coming to grips with the fact that we are all dust. Nothing is eternal, and life will simply make it so. Existence side by side creates a new cycle, lest it all rot away.
Although many things on this video are correct, a lot of them are also completely wrong. 1st: Paul name as Muad'Dib is not the title of the Religious and Political leader of the Fremen. Muad'Dib is his Fremen NAME, along with Usul. The name Usul means "The strength of the base of the pillar", Muad'Dib means "He who makes the way or creates the path or The Teacher of Children" in reference to the Desert Mouse from Arrakis that is in fact called Muad'Dib. The Political and Religious Leader is called the MAHDI, which sounds similar to Muad'Dib, but not really. Mahdi means "The steward of the Desert, The One Who Will Lead Us (The Fremen) to Paradise", his other title is Lisan Al- Gaib "the Voice from the Outer World". 2nd: Paul doesn't have an "adverse" effect to the Water of Life, the water of Life opens his entire Prescience powers. His developed Prescience was incomplete and he was born a generation ahead of his time from the expected schedule the Bene Gesserit Sisterhood wanted him to be born so he could be trained and controlled by the Sisterhood as the male Bene Geseritt or Kwisatz Haderach, the one that would possess both Male and Female Genetic Memories since Bene Gesserits only possess and can access female Genetic Memories. All this was so that the Sisterhood had control of the Landsraad and the Empire of the known universe. The breeding of Paul was prepared by the Sisterhood, But Jessica who was a Bene Gesserit birthed him ahead of time against the Sisterhood's orders and plans, so even though his powers were developing, his time on Arrakis and exposure to the Spice advanced his development but the Water of Life unlocked his full Prescience powers. He was the one Male that was able to do this because all other males that tried taking the Water of Life died, but him being the Kwisatz Haderach was able to survive.
I have not seen the 2021 Villeneuve yet, but one thing I've seen so far is that I seem to prefer the look of the thumper in Lynch's version. It seems more high tech & I love the soothing low bass sound. The Villeneuve thumper looks kinda clunky, like a tincan moving up & down. I will reserve further judgment if & when I see the new version.
Started to watch 2021 version yesterday, but somehow in compare to Lynch's version from 84, I found it to lack something. Lynch's version feels more like mysterious artistic movie, where atmosphere is heavy build with fantastic soundtrack (Brian Eno, Toto), and artistic quality visuals, which was also supported by great casting. Apart to this, 2021 version feels like modern realistic war movie from Iraq, with great fantastic foto realistic VFX, with modern "striking - fighting - ethnic" soundtrack, but somehow completely lack mystery, dreamy atmosphere, and artistic feel from original one. Obviously they targeted more to mainstream audience, as 84 version was not properly "recognize" in time when was released, only later one became cult movie.
The book and movie were different but both were incredible. Each unique. I used several of the ideas in my DnD game long ago. I especially loved the idea of the Bene' Geseret. I thought they were the epitome of Psionic political power brokers.
The reason The Weirding Way was changed in Lynch's film is because a book-accurate Weirding Way was unfilm able at the time. The problems with Lynch's movie are first and foremost: budget and technology. He could certainly make a masterpiece with how far technology has advanced.
@2:45, I personally REALLY like Lynch's version. I've since seen a Fan Edit of Lynch's version which just made it SO much better :) If you want to see it, search for Dune Alternate Versions, it was uploaded by The Devil's Own. I have no affiliation with him and I don't wish to cause any problems, if Marvelous Videos bans me for this, I'll understand.
@@therecanonlybeone7131 yeah a bunch of times, and the reason Lynch wanted his name off the movie was because of editing not a filming issue. There are things the studio couldnt cut out like the kids Paul had to take care of after he killed their dad. So like I said if you know what your looking at there is alot to see in the '84 Dune, educate yourself my friend.
DUNE is the greatest sci-fi epic available, nothing is close, not star wars, not Star trek. The only thing on its level is 2001:A Space Odyssey. FIGHT ME!
I really wish that people who make videos about Dune would learn how to pronounce the words correctly. "Kaitain" is "Ky-TAIN" with a long-"i" sound in the first syllable and a long "a" sound in the second. It's not a name to be mumbled.
3:45 The spice does not help anyone “fold space.” The spice gives them prescience or foresight to plot course through space to avoid obstacles . the holtzman engine folds space,
Saw it at the Drive-in back in the day and it is always an inspirational adaption of the book in my opinion. Some critics dismiss it for the 80's feel to it - but it is brilliant in my opinion. The 3hr version is the best version ... i don't have high hopes for the remake - they always ruin the story, alter characters and try to appeal to the pc crowd ...
Villeneuve did a genderswap of Liet-Kynes (the character played by Max von Sydow in the Lynch movie) for no other reason than he "liked the actress" and for some reason didn't think that having Jessica, Mohiam, Shadout Mapes, Princess Irulan, Chani, Margot Fenring, and Alia were enough female characters.
Currently reading Dune. About to finish the second “section” of the first book. If you’re interested just know it is regardless a VERY good read. You will be confused for parts but that will not be long lasting. The writing itself may feel archaic but that is just because it is from an older time. Either way I believe any sci-fi fan should at least attempt to read this series. The following books I hear are not as good but I already own the next 2 so we will see.
@@Shan_Dalamani ... And iirc, Dune used to be Earth-like, before it became a desert planet, because the sandworms/trout came from another planet, brought to Dune/Arrakis, which in turn these worms re-terraformed Dune to desert. So making it rain would bring Arrakis back to its former environmental state. I would have to look at the 30 thousand-year Dune timeline again to refresh my memory.
Many "purists"dismiss this movie outright. I saw this in my teens and comparing the new one to this, Lynch's version managed to get you uneasy with the different characters/races and bring about tense situations. The current version, although as they say more faithful to the book is just pretty, I won't call it spectacular. Set design is too close to the recent Blade Runner look and what's up with that Daft Punk headgear 🙄 And nothing can beat Lynch's Fremen suits, they were iconic.
They have a reason to not like it. You can't squeeze a big book into a 2 hour movie. He should have done something like release this as "Dune Chapter 1" and then followed up with a second movie. Fortunately, we got a very short TV series called "Dune: Messiah" which is basically chapter 2. Then chapter 3 is "Children of Dune."
This version was very well done and has a Director's Cut version as well. I like the dystopian out look that even with incredible advances humans still fight for power and resources as we currently experience. Not every movie need to have sequels or become a franchise.
something I've kinda wondered but never heard about: you hear that The Spice "extends life & expands consciousness" (much like 'dusty supplements' in the real world), but do they ever focus on 'how The Spice gets shipped to Ix (where The Navigators use it to fold space for the space-vessels ... or am I just imagining that space-travel part?)?' The Spice fumes give Fremen (& eventually others who live among them) blue-on-blue eyes---but why aren't those big Navigator slugs' eyes blue-on-blue?
Please Lord don't let them mess about with too much CGI in the new film. The details in the book will probably call for some but I just love love love the 1st film.
And you still liked the movie, David Lynch who directed it does not want his name associated with the film and Frank Herberts son said he wished they never made it
@@therecanonlybeone7131 writers and their heirs- always hating on movie adaptations. Says nothing about the movie itself Lynch is pissed about the final cut of the movie. His version was like 4 hours long. The movie is awesome serious sci fi movie. I don’t give poop about the fact it is not 1:1 to the book
I definitely think that Lynch's film failed in telling the first books story. That movie is one of my guilty pleasures though. When I reread Frank Herbert's books I see the costumes from David Lynch's film. For example I love the look of Lynch's stillsuit's, Bene Gesserit's, Guild Navigator's and the worm.
Muadib was his formal siege name,. He chose it himself, after the nocturnal desert mouse- like creature that usually only came out on nights when the second moon was visible. His informal siege name was Usul (akin to a nickname) Calling him THE Maudib is akin to calling him THE Atreides. THE Kwisatz Haderach was not so much a title but a descriptor for one that would show the way of the Golden Path, (the best possible future for humanity) A Bene Geserit pseudo title. THE Duke of House Atreides... would be his only _actual_ title after his father was killed, (If there were anyone left alive to address him as such) THE _Mahdi_ (savior) is the Fremen pseudo-title you were looking for.
@15:32 I would think Cerberus the three headed dog that guards hell would also be an influence on the sand worms as they have the three jawed mouths and hell is known as the underworld. There's also a lot of Biblical themes in Dune so "where the worm never dies" in regards to Gehenna, the lake of fire comes to mind.
I disagree about the weirding modules and the 3rd stage navigators. First the lesser objection; the navigators. I get that their appearance in David Lynch's film isn't all that pleasing...but they weren't supposed to be. The point was to show how far 4,000 years of forced spice rapid evolution had moved them from traditional humanity. In the novel and other screen versions, they seem *too* humanoid. I for one am glad Lynch took a more bold approach, even if it wouldn't win any beauty contests. It shows how humanity had become at least a little less superficial. Now for the major objection; the weirding modules. Not only do I agree that the battles weren't really a good idea to have with martial arts just due to the look and how difficult it'd be to fight ankle-deep in sand, but much more importantly, because it would fail to make sufficient sense of how the Fremen could finally free themselves of Harkonnen and Corrino oppression; especially from the Harkonnens. But the weirding modules *do* answer this dilemma, honestly, in my opinion, better than even the great one himself, Frank Herbert, did in his novel! I will explain. No other production of DUNE has the weirding modules, and some would say they were an FX gimmick, but they're wrong. They were very much needed to resolve an otherwise sticky point about the Fremen. How is it that the best hand-to-hand fighters in the universe -- better than even the Sardaukar and *far* better than the Harkonnens -- were held down and oppressed for so long by House Harkonnen, until their messiah came along? If the excuse is supposed to be it's because they were scattered and ununited, I ask why was *that* the case? We can quibble about how those of the North and South didn't trust each other fully, or similarly juxtapose the city-swelling Fremen with their desert-dwelling counterparts. But that just doesn't hold up, because the sheer brutality of the Harkonnens would've long-ago caused the Fremen tribes to unite, -- probably under Stilgar -- despite these far-lesser issues / differences, and throw off their shared oppressors. So why didn't it happen until the coming of Paul Maud'dib? The answer, it seems clear enough, has to be technology. Until the messiah came to them, the Fremen's best weapons were knives made from worm teeth that can sometimes break, -- hence the Fremen curse, "May thy knife chip and shatter" -- and their emblem of adulthood, the maula pistol...a spring-actuated dart gun! Meanwhile, House Harkonnen had air power to drop bombs, body shields (which were only a problem in the open desert sands where they might not work and would drive the worms into frenzy if they did work, but which would work just fine in cities), lasguns, and other forms of high technology. Think about why the Emperor was afraid, not only of Duke Leto's rising popularity, but also of the new secret army House Atreides was building. It represented a genuine military threat, because the technology was new, potent, and even worse, not well understood by anyone outside the House. And it turned out the Emperor's fears were correct! The weirding modules allowed domination on the battlefield, even over the Sardaukar, despite the technological advantage they'd heretofore enjoyed over the Fremen. I say, then, this is *no* FX gimmick! You *have* to have the superior technological advantage this films' version of the weirding way represented. Otherwise, even with Paul's prescient vision, his revolution may well have failed. Other than that, I agree with everything else in this video. Thank You, and Good Job! 👍
I don’t care what others think, it is a special film to me and I do like the soundtrack too. I get worried when we try re creating great movies, but it is in good hands.
I too enjoyed this movie, especially when it has Patrick Stewart in it. The music makes me think of the Flash Gordon movie, which was also good. The villains really had that evil appearance look, especially Feyd-Rautha. The sound weapons were actually cool, I don't know why they were not in the books. When the new movie comes out, I doubt it will be as exciting as the good and might be a little more complex and hard to understand. Even if the new movie turns out good, I may still like the 1984 movie more.
@@Captain.AmericaV1 ... They are actually human, but because of melange, they start changing into that giant bogey-looking thing you described. The one in the movie is Lynch's interpretation. In the novels, they are supposed to look more like a fish-man iirc.
@@robwebnoid5763 One thing to note: they are treated as "gods" and get free protection and transport for life because their ability to "see" into everything is what makes them so valuable to the people they rule over. Another interesting thing: when they visit Shaddam IV, there is one man with a microphone. He is next in line if the current navigator suddenly dies. He has been consuming huge amounts of spice and it's already affecting his voice, which is why he uses the huge microphone.
The "weirding modules" are certainly not the biggest or most "criminal" deviation from the book. They're just a bit superfluous. The biggest deviation is turning Paul from a gifted guy making use of BG propaganda and worrying about djihad into an actual Messiah-like figure fulfilling genuine prophecy.
OMG: What version is the hardcover of dune to the right of the 2 other books. I got that one fromt he sci fi book club ages ago and cant even find a cover image online.
Love this movie. Lynch is genius. Sadly we will never see his full vision. I don’t really care that it is not true to the book. As a film it looks stunning to this day (except few things) actors are amazing and it is not just a soap opera b movie. It is a really underrated
The ridiculous snobbery over the 1984 David Lynch film is overdone. It's a marvellous film. Cast and visuals and effects are top notch. I can watch it over and over. David Lynchs vision is exceptional and beautifully done. I've also seen the new Villneuve version and it's brilliantly done. So I now have 2 great films to enjoy and Villneuves 2nd film to come. Life is grand.
No one notices that this is about astral projection and lsd/acid/peyote, etc. (melange), help with that…. The cia had projects on astral projection (without help of psychedelics)… the newer version Looks to be about “colonization” if ya get my meaning… like whaaaaaa
I like the 'Dune' story as the original inhabits taking on on alien industrial empire. If only we First Nation Tribes had tamed dragons and giants, eh?
This was Kyle MacLachlan's first movie. Up to that point he had been a stage actor. Fun fact: David Lynch has a walk-on in this movie. He's one of the spice miners.
I don't believe that it's possible for any director to adequately surmise this outstanding story within a 2 hour norm allotted film. Although looking forward to seeing the next iteration, I am not enthusiastic about it being a decent rendition of the books either. Also I can't help but to mirror the state of the world of today's political arena with the Baron's "plan".
"We didn't want to see a floating tumor" - Who is this "we"? It's a bit arrogant to think you can speak for everyone. Personally, I liked the design of the Guild Navigator in the film.
I honestly liked the 1984 Dune movie even as a kid. I liked everything about it. But TBH that's partly because I never read the book. I sincerely hope that the new Dune movie is a bigger immediate success than it's predecessor.
The prpblem supposed reason this movie was a flop i think like a lot of movies they assumed everyone read and understand dune the book is almost unreadable and umnrelatable to most people
I already think the best adaptation, even with its differences, is the 2000s TV miniseries, and knowing that Disney's hand is behind this new Dune movie, I'm ready to be disappointed. But what really scares me the most today is Asimov's Foundation series produced by Apple.
Agreed. In one fail swoop Hollywood said let's destroy every major classic fantasy and sci fi story ever. Wheel of Time, Dune, Foundation and Lord of the Rings.
@@bmoneybby the Lord of the Rings movies made the books more interesting. You spent 3/4 time reading explanations of what the cities and terrain looked like it made the story just meh
@@justonjenkins1589 Maybe my problem is that I know both original works quite well, and watching the trailers is enough for me to know if I will like them or not, and from what i have seen, for Dune they rely on famous names and CGI, which not always is a guarantee of a good adaptation, not to mention Disney ruined Star Wars, and for Foundation they created three new characters that doesn't exist in Asimov's original work, which already shows that they will not faithfully respect it. Hype is not enough for me.
The Original movie is pretty bad because the studio forced Lynch to cut so much & change the placement of scenes but the version free on RUclips is far better & closer to Lynch's original vision & to the books.
I love the book but I'm never sure how to feel about this movie. I love the sci fi adaptation in the year 2000. Great stuff there for sure. I still have to see the sequel. The 2003 TV series about the son of Paul, Leto II. Thanks again. Love your channel.
You should dive into Murder By Death. Such a classic cult movie that is overlooked so much that there are very few, and all baddly done, reviews of it. The Allan Smithee version of DUNE is the only version worth watching. It's been my favorite movie of aaaaalllllll time, since I was 8! Murder by Death was one of those movies I watched over and over again as a kid, that no other kid would watch.
I love this movie but I’m also beyond excited about the new version coming. Denis Villeneuve is a phenomenal,director and he’s passionate about this project,
As for the Lynch version vs this new one, I vote Lynch. His version is better and the changes he made are great in my opinion. Especially going against the anti religion angle Herbert has. I also like that it's one movie so you don't have to have the lame hype routine the popcorn eaters have to go through. Or waiting two years for a sequel. The new one is trying to compete with Lynch more than make a faithful adaptation. It's got terrible casting choices and blinding cgi day shots. Give me 80's cult classic let the kids have the woke-ified inferiority complex version.
Whatever one may think of any version of Lynch's movie I think the costumes and general visuals are spot on and capture Dune lore perfectly.
The stillsuits in Lynch's Dune look very close to how I imagined them.
Marble, gold, brass, hard woods, leather, fine silks... mostly not fully paid for, and a lot of Mexican workers who weren't fully compensated, too. Probably would have cost more than Cleopatra if the studio had paid for everything. I agree that Lynch got the ultra sophisticated post-computer antiques look down way more than the new version, not to mention it's more painterly looking... directed by a painter.
@@msj7872 The new one looks kinda cheap, the stillsuits with their hanging fake codpieces, and the body armor.
The great thing about this version of Dune is that it is so special it will continue to stand on its own. It is not replaced by the newer
i dont care what the critics say/said about this film. Its great. Also there is a Fan Edit version of the film with extra scenes, edited better for a better explanation, makes for a more complete movie
I like it .
Dune: The Complete Saga.
@@SirBlackReeds Someone uploaded that version of Dune to the Internet Archive.
excellent and many of the scenes were gurney scenes cut too that are really cool.
Watching it made me confused as to how you could do it any other way & still have it make sense.
The first half is one of the greatest hours of sci-fi film ever produced!With the performance of actors Jurgen Prochnow,Richard Jordan,Max von Sydow and many others,even Patrick Stewart comes off as an amateur.I feel it merits the description as a masterpiece.
I feel the same about this movie. I love it, since it's release, in 1984. To me, it's a sci-fi classic.
In the longer play version many gurney scenes are cut. i dont think hes an "amateur" but..... perhaps they even outshadow him. Jose Ferrer as the emperor also is a veteran actor and great. francesca annis is also, and played Tuppence in Tommy and Tuppence.
I used to think this movie was convoluted and confusing, but I kept referencing it to explain stuff to friends after we saw the new Dune. I suppose those intrusive voice overs in Dune ‘84 actually do efficiently get a lot of plot out.
Very true. And also, it's not like the whispered voice-overs were a totally contrived idea in the first place. Part of Frank Herbert's writing style for the Dune series includes all of the characters thinking to themselves in internal monologue. Indeed, it was a technique he used in the writing to help get across both exposition of the story and also the deeply complex motivations and secret plans the different characters had. So it made complete sense to use a similar technique in telling the story as a film.
This movie has one thing no other version will have: that epic Dune theme with the electric guitar riff wailing.. that’s sand worm riding music.
Absolutely. The movie is as great as a six hour movie crammed into 2h 17m could be. Toto did a great job with the ENTIRE soundtrack, but I think the end credits tune is a little out of place and quite the tonal shift. I actually like the credits, and the tune isn't bad, it just feels like an abrupt change
One of the best movies ever made. It never gets the credit it deserves.
Fun fact: The actor who plays the main character (Kyle MacLachlan) is the guy who plays The Captain in “How I Met Your Mother.”
He is famous actor. He played in Sex and The city, Twin peaks and well many of Lynchs best movies.
@@handznet No love for Showgirls,lol.
@@billriddle9215 I liked him in the Desperate Housewives series.
@@Shan_Dalamani I've only seen a couple of episodes of that show..I'll have to binge watch.TY.
I know people dislike the deviations David Lynch took but, man does it capture how foreign but familiar the Dune universe is
Both ultra advanced and old timey. The new Dune barely even tried to capture that.
After seeing Dennis Villeneuves Trailer so far, it seems like he re-used a lot of Lynch’s Ideas and Visuals. I hope that it led to a new appreciation for the original Film.
The nose plugs instead of the masks
@@reptomicus The TV miniseries got it right. Neither of these movies do.
@@Shan_Dalamani The mini series is low budget crap. Both films are vastly superior.
@@joeycmichael3206 LOL. Nope.
@@Shan_Dalamani I mean, it’s a matter of objective fact that the mini series looks like crap. It’s super low budget and ugly. I’d much rather have a condensed story that looks amazing. If I want the Dune story in its entirety I’ll just read the book again.
i go back to this movie every so often to freshen up on the effects and wardrobe they chose, i’ve finished the whole series but i’m reading Dune again
The ending of the series is so crazy and fourth wall shattering lol
I mean the music was good, the atmosphere was good, the worms, navigators and costumes looked good...yeah.
I liked it too. Doesn't really need explaining to me tbh.
I really liked the intepretation of Lynch, the weaponized fight for Sardaukar confrontation, the Deformation of the navigatiors to express the large quantity of spice consumed and the inner monologue similarity to soliloquy. I dont know the version that you watched, but there is a scene with the Baron killing a boy pulling the heart plug that makes clear hiss sexuality and perversion, and his cadaver is the one that carry the message to the traitor.
If you haven't read the series yet you should check out the butlerian jihad.
Just realized the end of your comment was the same as my initial memory of the movie. Loved the way he got taken out. Fitting.
@@nathanwright5496 Why? KJA/BH's books are trash and have no resemblance at all to what the Butlerial Jihad was really about.
@@Shan_Dalamani simply the story of those who thought themselves immortal coming to grips with the fact that we are all dust. Nothing is eternal, and life will simply make it so. Existence side by side creates a new cycle, lest it all rot away.
The monologues are akin to a theatre actor speaking directly with the audience, breaking the 4th wall.
The Lynch version is better if you find the extended edition
Although many things on this video are correct, a lot of them are also completely wrong.
1st: Paul name as Muad'Dib is not the title of the Religious and Political leader of the Fremen. Muad'Dib is his Fremen NAME, along with Usul. The name Usul means "The strength of the base of the pillar", Muad'Dib means "He who makes the way or creates the path or The Teacher of Children" in reference to the Desert Mouse from Arrakis that is in fact called Muad'Dib. The Political and Religious Leader is called the MAHDI, which sounds similar to Muad'Dib, but not really. Mahdi means "The steward of the Desert, The One Who Will Lead Us (The Fremen) to Paradise", his other title is Lisan Al- Gaib "the Voice from the Outer World".
2nd: Paul doesn't have an "adverse" effect to the Water of Life, the water of Life opens his entire Prescience powers. His developed Prescience was incomplete and he was born a generation ahead of his time from the expected schedule the Bene Gesserit Sisterhood wanted him to be born so he could be trained and controlled by the Sisterhood as the male Bene Geseritt or Kwisatz Haderach, the one that would possess both Male and Female Genetic Memories since Bene Gesserits only possess and can access female Genetic Memories. All this was so that the Sisterhood had control of the Landsraad and the Empire of the known universe. The breeding of Paul was prepared by the Sisterhood, But Jessica who was a Bene Gesserit birthed him ahead of time against the Sisterhood's orders and plans, so even though his powers were developing, his time on Arrakis and exposure to the Spice advanced his development but the Water of Life unlocked his full Prescience powers. He was the one Male that was able to do this because all other males that tried taking the Water of Life died, but him being the Kwisatz Haderach was able to survive.
I have not seen the 2021 Villeneuve yet, but one thing I've seen so far is that I seem to prefer the look of the thumper in Lynch's version. It seems more high tech & I love the soothing low bass sound. The Villeneuve thumper looks kinda clunky, like a tincan moving up & down. I will reserve further judgment if & when I see the new version.
Started to watch 2021 version yesterday, but somehow in compare to Lynch's version from 84, I found it to lack something. Lynch's version feels more like mysterious artistic movie, where atmosphere is heavy build with fantastic soundtrack (Brian Eno, Toto), and artistic quality visuals, which was also supported by great casting. Apart to this, 2021 version feels like modern realistic war movie from Iraq, with great fantastic foto realistic VFX, with modern "striking - fighting - ethnic" soundtrack, but somehow completely lack mystery, dreamy atmosphere, and artistic feel from original one. Obviously they targeted more to mainstream audience, as 84 version was not properly "recognize" in time when was released, only later one became cult movie.
A classic The original dune one of my favorite sci-fi movies.
The book and movie were different but both were incredible. Each unique.
I used several of the ideas in my DnD game long ago. I especially loved the idea of the Bene' Geseret. I thought they were the epitome of Psionic political power brokers.
The reason The Weirding Way was changed in Lynch's film is because a book-accurate Weirding Way was unfilm able at the time. The problems with Lynch's movie are first and foremost: budget and technology. He could certainly make a masterpiece with how far technology has advanced.
@2:45, I personally REALLY like Lynch's version.
I've since seen a Fan Edit of Lynch's version which just made it SO much better :)
If you want to see it, search for Dune Alternate Versions, it was uploaded by The Devil's Own.
I have no affiliation with him and I don't wish to cause any problems, if Marvelous Videos bans me for this, I'll understand.
My Catcher in the Rye as a teen, Ya Hya Chouda, Long live the fighters
Dune is a super complex series.
Yes but the 1984 film was not
@@therecanonlybeone7131 it's there if you care to look for it. Jamis' kids being pretty much Paul's first Fedaykin was cool to see.
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Have you even read the books. Even David Lynch, who directed it wants nothing to do with the film
@@therecanonlybeone7131 yeah a bunch of times, and the reason Lynch wanted his name off the movie was because of editing not a filming issue. There are things the studio couldnt cut out like the kids Paul had to take care of after he killed their dad. So like I said if you know what your looking at there is alot to see in the '84 Dune, educate yourself my friend.
Tommy Davison!!
One good thing I can say about this film is that it feels complete.
DUNE is the greatest sci-fi epic available, nothing is close, not star wars, not Star trek. The only thing on its level is 2001:A Space Odyssey.
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@@carson21211 SHAI HALUDE‼️
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Your channel is killing it 4 real! One of the best out there!
I really wish that people who make videos about Dune would learn how to pronounce the words correctly. "Kaitain" is "Ky-TAIN" with a long-"i" sound in the first syllable and a long "a" sound in the second. It's not a name to be mumbled.
3:45 The spice does not help anyone “fold space.” The spice gives them prescience or foresight to plot course through space to avoid obstacles . the holtzman engine folds space,
watched this before reading the novel had no idea there was one till years later. if no knowledge of source material it is a decent movie.
I still love this movie! Great 80's cult sci-fi movie!
Saw it at the Drive-in back in the day and it is always an inspirational adaption of the book in my opinion. Some critics dismiss it for the 80's feel to it - but it is brilliant in my opinion. The 3hr version is the best version ... i don't have high hopes for the remake - they always ruin the story, alter characters and try to appeal to the pc crowd ...
Villeneuve did a genderswap of Liet-Kynes (the character played by Max von Sydow in the Lynch movie) for no other reason than he "liked the actress" and for some reason didn't think that having Jessica, Mohiam, Shadout Mapes, Princess Irulan, Chani, Margot Fenring, and Alia were enough female characters.
*The 1984 Dune is my favorite Scifi movie, I mean I grew up on these 80's movies and to me this one did not disappoint. And the remake is* 🔥
Grew up watching the TV extended version of this, I still love it. Had to drag a friend of mine to a theatrical showing 2 years ago.
Currently reading Dune. About to finish the second “section” of the first book. If you’re interested just know it is regardless a VERY good read. You will be confused for parts but that will not be long lasting. The writing itself may feel archaic but that is just because it is from an older time. Either way I believe any sci-fi fan should at least attempt to read this series. The following books I hear are not as good but I already own the next 2 so we will see.
All of the books are amazing, especially the last one. But the first three tell the best cohesive story imo
God Emperor of Dune FOREVER changed my way of looking at things
@@tvrtkoceric5681 Talk about unfilmable books...
I've read the first few books.
And the movie is a classic.
That's all I got to say.
Just wanted to state my appreciation.🤘
The version with all the deleted scenes is a masterpiece
The flaw of the messianic rainmaking on Arrakis is it effectively killed the sandworms and the Spice along with it.
The films didnt establish that at all
@@hildriet056 It's crystal-clear if you pay attention to the book that rain will kill the sandworms, because water is poisonous to them.
@@Shan_Dalamani ... And iirc, Dune used to be Earth-like, before it became a desert planet, because the sandworms/trout came from another planet, brought to Dune/Arrakis, which in turn these worms re-terraformed Dune to desert. So making it rain would bring Arrakis back to its former environmental state. I would have to look at the 30 thousand-year Dune timeline again to refresh my memory.
Many "purists"dismiss this movie outright.
I saw this in my teens and comparing the new one to this, Lynch's version managed to get you uneasy with the different characters/races and bring about tense situations.
The current version, although as they say more faithful to the book is just pretty, I won't call it spectacular. Set design is too close to the recent Blade Runner look and what's up with that Daft Punk headgear 🙄
And nothing can beat Lynch's Fremen suits, they were iconic.
I agree. Also, Oscar Isaac's acting is not even close to Jurgen Prochnow's performance, as Duke Leto.
They have a reason to not like it. You can't squeeze a big book into a 2 hour movie. He should have done something like release this as "Dune Chapter 1" and then followed up with a second movie. Fortunately, we got a very short TV series called "Dune: Messiah" which is basically chapter 2. Then chapter 3 is "Children of Dune."
I love this movie I can't wait for the new one
Duke Lego's name is pronounced lee-toe, not let-oh, I thought! 🤔
And Baron Harkonnen's name is pronounced hark-oh-nun, not harka-nin, isn't it? 🤔
This version was very well done and has a Director's Cut version as well. I like the dystopian out look that even with incredible advances humans still fight for power and resources as we currently experience. Not every movie need to have sequels or become a franchise.
Yeah . . . there is that.
something I've kinda wondered but never heard about: you hear that The Spice "extends life & expands consciousness" (much like 'dusty supplements' in the real world), but do they ever focus on 'how The Spice gets shipped to Ix (where The Navigators use it to fold space for the space-vessels ... or am I just imagining that space-travel part?)?'
The Spice fumes give Fremen (& eventually others who live among them) blue-on-blue eyes---but why aren't those big Navigator slugs' eyes blue-on-blue?
For years and maligned by so many, very unfairly. I like the 3 hr cuts the best.
and I thought "Shai Hulud" was what they called worm-sign (that lightning that pops up when there's at least one worm on the way)
Please Lord don't let them mess about with too much CGI in the new film. The details in the book will probably call for some but I just love love love the 1st film.
Just looking at some of the trailers , it looks bad, really nothing against the actors playing in it either, just looks like a cash grab.......
I think this movie was fantastic!!
This is DEFINITELY one of my all time favorite movies. Ever.
Have you read the books?
@@therecanonlybeone7131 only the 1st years ago I'm going to order it and read it again. I was quite young so I know it will be a whole new experience!
And you still liked the movie, David Lynch who directed it does not want his name associated with the film and Frank Herberts son said he wished they never made it
@@therecanonlybeone7131 writers and their heirs- always hating on movie adaptations. Says nothing about the movie itself
Lynch is pissed about the final cut of the movie. His version was like 4 hours long.
The movie is awesome serious sci fi movie. I don’t give poop about the fact it is not 1:1 to the book
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The audiences did not like it because it bombed in the theaters and it was considered the worst movie in 1984.
Searched for a deep dive into the Dune movie before seeing the new one and wow does your channel have a lot of good stuff.
Many of the reasons mentioned are why I like the 2000 trilogy versus the 84 movie. They don't exactly shy away from some of the typical issues.
I really enjoy Dune 1984
I definitely think that Lynch's film failed in telling the first books story. That movie is one of my guilty pleasures though. When I reread Frank Herbert's books I see the costumes from David Lynch's film. For example I love the look of Lynch's stillsuit's, Bene Gesserit's, Guild Navigator's and the worm.
Muadib was his formal siege name,. He chose it himself, after the nocturnal desert mouse- like creature that usually only came out on nights when the second moon was visible.
His informal siege name was Usul (akin to a nickname)
Calling him THE Maudib is akin to calling him THE Atreides.
THE Kwisatz Haderach was not so much a title but a descriptor for one that would show the way of the Golden Path, (the best possible future for humanity)
A Bene Geserit pseudo title.
THE Duke of House Atreides... would be his only _actual_ title after his father was killed,
(If there were anyone left alive to address him as such)
THE _Mahdi_ (savior) is the Fremen pseudo-title you were looking for.
@15:32 I would think Cerberus the three headed dog that guards hell would also be an influence on the sand worms as they have the three jawed mouths and hell is known as the underworld.
There's also a lot of Biblical themes in Dune so "where the worm never dies" in regards to Gehenna, the lake of fire comes to mind.
The 1984 version is much MUCH better than the 2021 version.
Well I know where the tremors idea came from lol
Har-ko-nen is how it's pronounced
Hey can you guys also try making videos about the Spectre
I disagree about the weirding modules and the 3rd stage navigators. First the lesser objection; the navigators. I get that their appearance in David Lynch's film isn't all that pleasing...but they weren't supposed to be. The point was to show how far 4,000 years of forced spice rapid evolution had moved them from traditional humanity. In the novel and other screen versions, they seem *too* humanoid. I for one am glad Lynch took a more bold approach, even if it wouldn't win any beauty contests. It shows how humanity had become at least a little less superficial.
Now for the major objection; the weirding modules. Not only do I agree that the battles weren't really a good idea to have with martial arts just due to the look and how difficult it'd be to fight ankle-deep in sand, but much more importantly, because it would fail to make sufficient sense of how the Fremen could finally free themselves of Harkonnen and Corrino oppression; especially from the Harkonnens. But the weirding modules *do* answer this dilemma, honestly, in my opinion, better than even the great one himself, Frank Herbert, did in his novel! I will explain.
No other production of DUNE has the weirding modules, and some would say they were an FX gimmick, but they're wrong. They were very much needed to resolve an otherwise sticky point about the Fremen. How is it that the best hand-to-hand fighters in the universe -- better than even the Sardaukar and *far* better than the Harkonnens -- were held down and oppressed for so long by House Harkonnen, until their messiah came along? If the excuse is supposed to be it's because they were scattered and ununited, I ask why was *that* the case? We can quibble about how those of the North and South didn't trust each other fully, or similarly juxtapose the city-swelling Fremen with their desert-dwelling counterparts. But that just doesn't hold up, because the sheer brutality of the Harkonnens would've long-ago caused the Fremen tribes to unite, -- probably under Stilgar -- despite these far-lesser issues / differences, and throw off their shared oppressors. So why didn't it happen until the coming of Paul Maud'dib?
The answer, it seems clear enough, has to be technology. Until the messiah came to them, the Fremen's best weapons were knives made from worm teeth that can sometimes break, -- hence the Fremen curse, "May thy knife chip and shatter" -- and their emblem of adulthood, the maula pistol...a spring-actuated dart gun! Meanwhile, House Harkonnen had air power to drop bombs, body shields (which were only a problem in the open desert sands where they might not work and would drive the worms into frenzy if they did work, but which would work just fine in cities), lasguns, and other forms of high technology.
Think about why the Emperor was afraid, not only of Duke Leto's rising popularity, but also of the new secret army House Atreides was building. It represented a genuine military threat, because the technology was new, potent, and even worse, not well understood by anyone outside the House. And it turned out the Emperor's fears were correct! The weirding modules allowed domination on the battlefield, even over the Sardaukar, despite the technological advantage they'd heretofore enjoyed over the Fremen. I say, then, this is *no* FX gimmick! You *have* to have the superior technological advantage this films' version of the weirding way represented. Otherwise, even with Paul's prescient vision, his revolution may well have failed.
Other than that, I agree with everything else in this video. Thank You, and Good Job! 👍
They just had to Remake a clasic
nothing is sacred watch in the next 10 years reboots of the godfather will happen
It’s called an adaptation. DUNE 84’ is an adaptation, so is 2021 version.
Lynch did great for the technology he had ... and he kept his movie close to the books thou condensed to much he did a great job a true classic syfy
I don’t care what others think, it is a special film to me and I do like the soundtrack too. I get worried when we try re creating great movies, but it is in good hands.
I too enjoyed this movie, especially when it has Patrick Stewart in it. The music makes me think of the Flash Gordon movie, which was also good. The villains really had that evil appearance look, especially Feyd-Rautha. The sound weapons were actually cool, I don't know why they were not in the books.
When the new movie comes out, I doubt it will be as exciting as the good and might be a little more complex and hard to understand. Even if the new movie turns out good, I may still like the 1984 movie more.
What is that giant floating bogey looking thing in the spacing guilds liquid container?
That's a Guild Navigator.
@@Shan_Dalamani ah, thank you.
It looks creepy as hell
@@Captain.AmericaV1 ... They are actually human, but because of melange, they start changing into that giant bogey-looking thing you described. The one in the movie is Lynch's interpretation. In the novels, they are supposed to look more like a fish-man iirc.
@@robwebnoid5763 One thing to note: they are treated as "gods" and get free protection and transport for life because their ability to "see" into everything is what makes them so valuable to the people they rule over. Another interesting thing: when they visit Shaddam IV, there is one man with a microphone. He is next in line if the current navigator suddenly dies. He has been consuming huge amounts of spice and it's already affecting his voice, which is why he uses the huge microphone.
The 2021 Film take its time ... and does so little with it.
well said
So I have a part in the movie huh? Playing a truck!?!? And my co-star, a famoust movie star!!! WOW! lol
The "weirding modules" are certainly not the biggest or most "criminal" deviation from the book. They're just a bit superfluous.
The biggest deviation is turning Paul from a gifted guy making use of BG propaganda and worrying about djihad into an actual Messiah-like figure fulfilling genuine prophecy.
OMG: What version is the hardcover of dune to the right of the 2 other books. I got that one fromt he sci fi book club ages ago and cant even find a cover image online.
This is just a summary, very little explanation
Love this movie. Lynch is genius. Sadly we will never see his full vision. I don’t really care that it is not true to the book. As a film it looks stunning to this day (except few things) actors are amazing and it is not just a soap opera b movie. It is a really underrated
YEAh, Lynch deserves final cut.
The ridiculous snobbery over the 1984 David Lynch film is overdone. It's a marvellous film. Cast and visuals and effects are top notch. I can watch it over and over. David Lynchs vision is exceptional and beautifully done.
I've also seen the new Villneuve version and it's brilliantly done.
So I now have 2 great films to enjoy and Villneuves 2nd film to come. Life is grand.
The best version of this movie is a fanedit which is available on RUclips for free.
That dune was awesome at that time, but the shadow of star wars was really strong
The theme is so great, an epic score by Toto, I was hoping it gets reused in the new movie, bit perhaps in a live-action adaptation of the rts games.
My one hope is that use of the Bene Gesserit Voice doesn't make a character sound like he/she is demon possessed.
Awesome job!
Love your channel but never @ Lynch like that...ever.
Kidding great vid
No one notices that this is about astral projection and lsd/acid/peyote, etc. (melange), help with that…. The cia had projects on astral projection (without help of psychedelics)… the newer version Looks to be about “colonization” if ya get my meaning… like whaaaaaa
Duncan Idaho is a Fucking beast
I acknowledge Dune 1984 is deeply flawed. I still love and keep rewatching it.
I like the 'Dune' story as the original inhabits taking on on alien industrial empire. If only we First Nation Tribes had tamed dragons and giants, eh?
dont think i ever have or ever will see dune referred to as underrated, people rave about that shit
Watch it on a weed high
I'd piss my brothers off by reciting the dialog virtually anywhere during the movie. Word for word, you know annoying that is?
I bet this is the movie that Lynch did that convinced Lynch to have Kyle as his friend and good luck charm.
This was Kyle MacLachlan's first movie. Up to that point he had been a stage actor.
Fun fact: David Lynch has a walk-on in this movie. He's one of the spice miners.
im from the future dune 2021 is....
you are killing pronunciations :D
Ive read the book but I like the movie, it was a good try on a tough book
You said 'homophobic paedophile' I think you meant 'homosexual paedophile' He wasn't homophobic.
Apologies to yourselves across the pond ..that should be Thanksgiving me thinks.
I don't believe that it's possible for any director to adequately surmise this outstanding story within a 2 hour norm allotted film. Although looking forward to seeing the next iteration, I am not enthusiastic about it being a decent rendition of the books either. Also I can't help but to mirror the state of the world of today's political arena with the Baron's "plan".
Once it got into the worm god stuff i lost interest. I love the movies especially the extended cut
"We didn't want to see a floating tumor" - Who is this "we"? It's a bit arrogant to think you can speak for everyone. Personally, I liked the design of the Guild Navigator in the film.
I honestly liked the 1984 Dune movie even as a kid. I liked everything about it. But TBH that's partly because I never read the book. I sincerely hope that the new Dune movie is a bigger immediate success than it's predecessor.
The prpblem supposed reason this movie was a flop i think like a lot of movies they assumed everyone read and understand dune the book is almost unreadable and umnrelatable to most people
I already think the best adaptation, even with its differences, is the 2000s TV miniseries, and knowing that Disney's hand is behind this new Dune movie, I'm ready to be disappointed.
But what really scares me the most today is Asimov's Foundation series produced by Apple.
Agreed. In one fail swoop Hollywood said let's destroy every major classic fantasy and sci fi story ever. Wheel of Time, Dune, Foundation and Lord of the Rings.
The coolest part about movies is you dont have to watch it. Clearly u hate it without watching so then why waste your time.
@@bmoneybby the Lord of the Rings movies made the books more interesting. You spent 3/4 time reading explanations of what the cities and terrain looked like it made the story just meh
@@justonjenkins1589 im talking about the new tv show. Thanks for the insight though.
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Maybe my problem is that I know both original works quite well, and watching the trailers is enough for me to know if I will like them or not, and from what i have seen, for Dune they rely on famous names and CGI, which not always is a guarantee of a good adaptation, not to mention Disney ruined Star Wars, and for Foundation they created three new characters that doesn't exist in Asimov's original work, which already shows that they will not faithfully respect it.
Hype is not enough for me.
The Original movie is pretty bad because the studio forced Lynch to cut so much & change the placement of scenes but the version free on RUclips is far better & closer to Lynch's original vision & to the books.
I love the book but I'm never sure how to feel about this movie. I love the sci fi adaptation in the year 2000. Great stuff there for sure. I still have to see the sequel. The 2003 TV series about the son of Paul, Leto II. Thanks again. Love your channel.
I still dont know whats happening
Great.
You should dive into Murder By Death. Such a classic cult movie that is overlooked so much that there are very few, and all baddly done, reviews of it.
The Allan Smithee version of DUNE is the only version worth watching. It's been my favorite movie of aaaaalllllll time, since I was 8!
Murder by Death was one of those movies I watched over and over again as a kid, that no other kid would watch.
I love this movie but I’m also beyond excited about the new version coming. Denis Villeneuve is a phenomenal,director and he’s passionate about this project,
I still maintain this film got butchered in the edit. SpaceDiver cut an amazing redux and it fleshes out much more
As for the Lynch version vs this new one, I vote Lynch.
His version is better and the changes he made are great in my opinion. Especially going against the anti religion angle Herbert has.
I also like that it's one movie so you don't have to have the lame hype routine the popcorn eaters have to go through. Or waiting two years for a sequel.
The new one is trying to compete with Lynch more than make a faithful adaptation. It's got terrible casting choices and blinding cgi day shots.
Give me 80's cult classic let the kids have the woke-ified inferiority complex version.