Dune (1984) Retrospective
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- George discusses David Lynch's Dune from 1984.
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Its because of the movie, that i read the book later. Thank you David Lynch.
I bought the collectible sticker book that most movies came with in the 80s and only read the book after the remake came out. I always found something intimidating about the themes in the book and I read a lot of sci-fi.
same
DUNE is still a fascinating and mysterious universe. I can appreciate how far in the future the story takes place. It allows for more wiggle room than Star Trek, while Star Wars has some old galaxy stories that I find interesting, DUNE (1984) is a story that I watched on TV sometime in the later eighties, and wasn't disappointed. That Star Wars is great but, I really needed a break from it!
same here
Me as well. I love this movie. I remember renting it on VHS. Read the book after that.
The visual concepts of the 1984 Dune is amazing!
Made a lasting impression on many!
To this day it's a pre-requisite for my dates to wear nose plugs and skin tight leather. 😋
Agree. I'm glad they did away with the futuristic look and went more for the warmer furniture look. Even the guild ships are ornamented
Especially for the time period, the early 80s.
You know, no matter how many feel about the outcome of this Dune you cannot deny the ambition. If things dont turn out well, at least have the grand ambition to give everything. No one cannot deny the work put on screen
It is a very unique piece of culture with many images that have seared themself into people's minds and the collective consciousness, even if it doesn't work as a whole there's something there.
@@FilmJournal I wasn't aware of the difficulties folks had on set with the local labor and the corrupt port officials. Thank you for a most insightful look into this movie's production history. Great video.
I loved the Dialogue.
Especially during the Water of Life scene.
"FATHER......father, THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED!
I saw this film at the theater in my first year of college away from home, and I absolutely LOVED it! I don't understand why it's gotten so much hate over the years, I could watch it over and over, and have dozens of times, and still never get tired of it.
Right on!!! I wish that the movie was longer.
I love David Lynch’s Dune (it’s the reason why I got into the books) but let’s be honest, it’s not that great of a “film.” Hell even Lynch dismisses it. All of the endless exposition and voiceover aren’t how movies should be made. You’re supposed to show not tell. And don’t get me started on the bastardization of the Weirding Way.
Did you ever watch the Extended Version of Dune by Spice Diver, which you can watch on RUclips? Many believe David Lynch is behind it, because it restores all the scenes that Dino De Laurentis forced him to cut from the film, so that it would fit in a two-hour time frame.
@@honorsilverthorne7227 love that version of the film!
@@honorsilverthorne7227 I'm gonna have to check that out, I thought I saw an extended cut a few years ago with a scene in it where you get to see them drown a worm in a brass tank to make life water from it. I know they made like three cuts: a theatrical cut, a tv cut, and an extended cut with a different soundtrack. Are you saying there's another edit out there? Sweet.
My friend Max wrote a book about Dune '84 called "A Masterpiece in Disarray: David Lynch’s Dune. An Oral History." It's EPIC!
Read it. Loved it. And source it in the description. Would love to talk with him and promote the book!
I saw his interview on Dune News Net. Got the book after that interview. I love it.
@@FilmJournal I can introduce you, if you'd like
That's be awesome! @@RudieObias
@@FilmJournal Is there a way to get a h0ld of you without Twitter?
The 1984 Dune is my favourite 1980s film alongside Once Upon a Time in America. Both were ripped to shreds by their producers, both have since been reconstructed (with varying degrees of success), and both now look like masterpieces (to me). Ironically Dune is my favourite Lynch film.
The scene where Denier looks into the peep hole where he watched Jennifer Connelly practice ballet on the bags of flour is one of the most sublime moments in film for me. I love that movie- would make a great review!
Glad to meet another fan :) Cheers
Hell yeah. Both films are brilliant. Both films got shat on by doofuses.
there is a 3hr alternative version by a fan here on ytube - it's from the 1984 removed footage and the rain scene at the end is gone - it's in 4k
I will have to check that out!
@@FilmJournalIt's by the Spice Diver.
Some people think that is actually David Lynch himself, or his top editor. Deleted scenes are restored, and it flows much better.
It’s on RUclips. Search for Spicediver.
"Dune 1984 redux". I watched it a few weeks ago. Totally different movie! Made so much more sense. It's sad they forced him to cut it down so drastically. It ruined the entire movie.
Thanks! I also wanted to mention for any fans of the '84 Lynch version that there is a re-edited fan version here on YT by spicediver, with deleted scenes added back and some changes that give the film a better flow, if you haven't seen it. To me, it's the best version of the '84 classic, although I obviously appreciate the new films (1 & 2).
Thank you for directing me to the spicediver fan version.
Just watched the Spicediver edit, it is incredible, and the way it should have been released
Yes! I think it's called the Alternative Version. I believe "Spice Diver" is either Lynch himself or his top editor.
Sweet! Thank you very much for clueing me into that alternate version! Gonna go check it out
The fact they had a filmed Gurney Halleck playing the famed baliset but cut it out of the theatrical release is nothing short of criminal
15:15 they were trying to do the inner thoughts/monologue’s that are prevalent in the book. I quite like them. It’s why the books was said to be unfilmable because so much character and story unfolds in people’s inner thoughts.
The spice does not 'fold space' , it gives prescient thought which allows the Gulid Navigators the ability to navigate giant ships across the universe without running into shit. The ships use Holtzman drives.
I think he was just sticking to the info as presented in the 1984 movie, which does state in the opening monologue that the guild navigators "use the spice to fold space." I saw the movie before reading the books and I was definitely confused until I learned about how it actually works in the books. Thankfully Villeneuve's version clearly says in Part 1 that the spice is used to chart safe courses through the stars.
@@MysteriousMrL Oh thats right, I remember that now about the Lynch Dune.
Its a surprising thing they went with that narrative. Describing it in more detail fleshes out the specifics of the Dune universe & describes the power & effect of the Spice.
One note: Brian Eno was indeed credited, in the opening credits, thusly: "Prophecy Theme by Brian Eno". It's on the soundtrack album as well. Toto's track "Trip To Arrakis" sounds VERY Eno-esque!
More importantly, “Passion: Music for the Last Tempation of Christ” was released by Peter Gabriel, not Brian Eno, who wasn’t involved at all.
@@alfwatt Exactly! This Film Journal dude is a fucking idiot. And Toto's main theme for "Dune" will live on for millennia compared to the tripe offered up by Zimmer. Nothing but glorified sound effects there.
Trip to Arrakis was amazing at that time. And for me, still is 😊
@@GandaMelgao That whole soundtrack still gets play on my traffic jam playlist to this day lol. How I wish I could fold space like a navigator during those moments!
@@alfwattwhich is an incredible album to take drugs to and wander thru the woods
Guild navigators don't fold space, its the Holtzman drives that fold space, the Navigators simply direct the folding to where they want to go.
Navigators see space and keep the guild ships from "out of the fold" in the center of a Star or Nova.
Lynch did a great job with Dune back in the day, and it still holds up today.
Yeah, I don't think the film is nearly as bad as some people like to claim. It's not perfect, but for the time it wasn't bad either.
Indeed. Cheers!
No it doesn’t
@@Jossarianz I'm curious to hear more about your differing opinion on this movie. It's a part of my childhood so I might be biased. I would love for you to elaborate about what you didn't appreciate about it. Such details might help me improve my own fiction.
@@Nefylym Do not feed a obvious troll who does drive by postings saying nothing while leaving a trail of negative....leave them in their little world of misery. ;)
Great retrospective. Those are my favorite book covers as well. I grew up watching this movie on tv in the 80s and eventually on VHS in the 90s. Always loved it. I never understood the “not getting it” with people. I wasn’t even a big book reader when I first saw it, and I understood the movie. I always liked the soundtrack. I reread the book when the newest movie came out, and eventually read the other five books. Now I’m all in with this universe.
Love this version, though I admit I fell asleep twice the first few times I tried to watch it back in highschool. But it eventually got me into the books and to this day its this cast I see when I read the novels. So far I've read through the original series and three of the House prequels. I plan to read the Butlerian Jihad next. What did you think of the SciFi Channel mini series versions?
THIS is Dune! I love this movie. The acting,the sets, the Gizmo's, the color and sound are "Fantastic"! I think that more depth of story was achieved in this film than any remake. The acting is damn good too.
1984 Dune is a underrated classic. Patrick stewart as gurney is awesome. ATOMICS!. Also i always felt dune was like a sci-fi movie and story from the 50's and with 30's feel in style of the sets. Love it.
I saw the movie THEN read all the book in my late teens. (back in the 90s)
I don't care how accurate the 1984 movie is (or isn't) it's still one of my favorite sci-fi fantasy films.
Great review as always, George. I love both versions. And I particularly love Toto's score. Especially the extended score. Yeah - it's amazing. It is DUNE to me - that score.
Thanks Greg! Great to hear from you, sorry I let you down on the score :(
Nice video! Couldn't agree more about wishing there was more "Prophecy Theme" Eno on the soundtrack, but the Last Temptation score was by Peter Gabriel.
What a bone headed mistake! I make about one per video. Thanks!
Lynch got a bad rap here. I love the novels! Thank you for this. Toto’s soundtrack reminds me of the Ladyhawke soundtrack.
great video--answering tons of questions I had about the cinematic history of Dune
Thanks granite, The book- a Masterpiece in Disarray was a great resource. Glad you liked the video!
This IS Dune. Great actors, wardrobe, scenes, acting, visuals and Soundtrack.
I Love the Stillgar in the Original. That actor was later in the People Under the Stairs, so seeing him as a Hero is cool, and his voice is iconic in this.
I like that actor too.
He was very good at 1984 Dune.
Everett McGill. He’s fantastic. Also great as the preacher in Silver Bullet. Many quotable lines in People Under The Stairs. Just an epic voice. He was even great as the Antagonist in Under Seige 2. It was a shame that Seagal’s ego probably didn’t allow anyone to really challenge him in a fight, so their final fight was too one sided which really lowers the stakes if the villain isn’t actually dangerous to the “hero”.
@@Skoora Superb! Trainspotting Master!!
Dont forget his role in Twin Peaks. He was amazing there as well
@@Skoora Silver Bullet preacher, YESSSS!!!! He was SO damn terrifying in that movie. Those intense eyes and his deep voice. My brother and I used to quote his DUNE lines all the time including the "uch" whenever he prays to Shai Hulud lol
Yes, I disagree about Toto’s score. I love “Take My Hand” played at the end credits. I also do like Brian Eno’s themes played during shots of the open desert. Every version of Dune seems to have moments of perfection but also flaws. Even this new version deviates from the book in parts.
One of the greatest masterpieces I ever saw 😂❤❤a classic ❤
I was in 5th grade, sick at school. Sent home with a temperature, I laid in a fever state and watched Dune for the first time. BURNT INTO MY MEMORY.
Recently saw it during its theatrical rerelease. The sound mix is still AMAZING!
Great video as always, George. I watched it in cinemas last weekend. First time I watched the whole thing in one sitting in years. It's a hell of a fun trip. I wish we lived in the parallel reality where Lynch got final cut on this and went on to make sequels. His unfinished script for Dune Messiah just resurfaced apparently.
Wouldn’t that have been great! Great to hear from you brother- glad you enjoyed the video!
Your scripts for these videos are always very engaging. 👍
I saw Dune a few times when I was younger, as my dad watched a lot of science fiction, but I don't think I've seen it as an adult. The production design still looks awesome, indeed. Time for a re-watch.
Very kind of you!
Saw this movie for the first time as a kid. I was absolutely taken by it. It fed my young mind with the mystery and magnificence of what sci-fi could bring. I would later in life get into Warhammer 40k and then even later get into the Dune novels. Seeing the connection between Dune and so many other sci-fi projects is amazing and so much fun.
I appreciate it for the fever dream that it is😂. I love this movie, but the best thing to be said about it is that it stuck to the book, which itself is a masterpiece.
Denis gives us the best of both worlds. While I miss things from the book, I appreciate that he simplified the story while keeping the spirit AND made it relevant to today’s world. Remember, Herbert had to write Dune Messiah so that readers could understand that Paul was not a hero.
Too, let’s be honest. It’s a whole new world since 1965 and people typically just read the cliff notes. But after watching this movie, people are going be curious. Those who never tried to read it, or maybe more importantly, those who tried to read it, but it was just too heady for them initially will give it another try because Denis helped them understand the fundamentals.
The simplified story visual impact from Dune and especially Dune 2 is truly jaw-dropping. That worm ride alone is worth all my money! I am thrilled beyond measure that I got to experience it first hand. I will always appreciate the 1984 version, but in baseball terms, it is a swing and a miss for me.
Great retrospective. You are spot on why a lot of Dune fans love the Lynch version so much. Thank you for that. As I said recently on a Facebook fan group, can you imagine if you could take the best parts of both adaptations and put them together ? It would have been one hell of a movie.
I wish I could port over the production design of this film to Dennis' version
I liked the voiceovers for the non-book reader. They helped give context. I also liked TOTO's score, although I would have loved a Pink Floyd score!
So do I. The voiceovers are essentials I think and the book is full of them, written in italics. Unfortunately, they are practically absent in Denis Villeneuve adaptation.
"Thanks for Dune'ing in". 🔥🔥🔥
Thank You!
I thought that's what I heard! LOL
Excellent work! I think you more or less nailed this one. In synopsis, its a little messy, but boy is it fascinating. There are some Lynchian touches in this one, but the film is quite an odd departure from the rest of his catalog. In a way, we should be thankful Dune failed because it brought Lynch back to his roots and spawned Blue Velvet. The rest is history.
Blue Velvet is one of my favorite movies and I'm so happy Lynch stayed loyal to Kyle McGlaughlin bc if he hadn't, I imagine his career would have tanked.
that's true but if 'dune' had been a success we would have a had a lynch directed 'dune' sequel(a movie lynch was writing and said he liked better than the first one)and potentially a dino de laurentiis produced 'ronnie rocket'
@kevinericsongs precisely the point. I think it's a better world with Blue Velvet and everything else David Lynch did afterwards than if he fell into blockbuster mode. I think he would agree.
I remember watching this film for the first time and feeling sorry for those.who never read the book. It must have been hella confusing. A version with many of the deleted scenes added back in is here on youtube.
Yes yes yessss, the wording, yes spot on with the words. You describe my feeling when seeing the covers all those years ago from the late 90s but i just couldn't come up with the words. The book covers stoked a sense of foreboding dreadfulness of being in an universe that's truly immense and beyond our wildest dreams.
Glad I could articulate that for you and thanks very much! Happy to see you enjoyed the video!
this movie sets the mood and tone of dune for me, so much better then the new films, which i can honestly say i am not a fan of. the dune miniseries probably was the most faithful, but the 1984 movie set the environment and tone by far the best.
Like Bakshi's LOTR animated, it set the mark and still influenced Jackson's film in how he structured the adaption of the material. Feels the same for Villeneuve's Dune
I'm a fan of both, they're both great in their own way.
I'm now watching the new movie for the 3rd time, trying to like it... if i entirely ignore certain key characterizations, gender swapping Chani's father for no reason other then to do so... Duncan being terribly miscast as Jason Momoa, the entire missing banquet scene which IMHO is a crucial part of Atredies first arriving on Dune, it sets mood and tone and rushing to the betrayal feels so hastily done... the lack of development in Dr. Yueh (he's basically a throwaway villian in the new dune) that we can barely emphasize with... aside from the super bleak depiction of the desert which always seems toned in grey... and aside from the palace city which is a really weird non-lived in looking bunker town.. aside from that, i like it a bit better my 3rd try...@@denisl2760
@@FilmJournal Oooh, great call back, Bakshi's LOTR. Man that "Frodo of the Nine Fingers" song still haunts my ears after all these years lol. Such a good series. With regards to the DUNE SciFi Channel versions I really enjoyed how they portrayed Alia, Ghanima, and Leto II. I feel that MacAvoy followed up MacLachlan's intense "Neo" type style beautifully.
he who sleeps will wake up, I always liked that concept, based on the book, all Fremen must wait, generations for a chosen one, they must not alter their order, sleep and wait, but now he who sleeps will wake up
Go Woke or Go Home hehe
Yes! The Sleeper will awaken. And this video essay didn't even mention the idea of the Muad'dib, or usel
I love the 1984 film especially the score 🤷🏻
Same. The new one is just a woke cheap cash grab.
Very nice recap and critique of the original Dune. Love your set/room too, very nostalgic and cluttercore :)
That’s what I’ll be telling my wife when she asks me to clean up my office. “Sorry, can’t. It’s cluttercore. It’s a look”
@@FilmJournal exactly, it's trendy!
I can't believe how many pronunciations the remake fan fiction got wrong. Lynch's version is the superior dune by far.
So mispronouncing something is worse than getting the lore, themes, character motivations and the entire message of the story wrong?
I watched this last week in the theaters.
Oddly, half of the audience was laughing out loud at most of the movie as though it was a comedy.
A bummer actually. They don't possess the ability to process, to understand.
I had this experience when I went to see "The Visitor" an old Italian horror film from 1979. Pretty good actually, a lot of cool imagery, nothing to laugh about really, but it was billed as a "midnight movie" and coded as "bad". People paid money to laugh, so they were going to laugh- no matter what. Sounds like you encountered a similar situation. Unfortunate!
A lot of people just can't suspend disbelief with the visual style of old films. I find it sad.
To be fair, there are a lot of laughable moments.
I have just seen Dune 2, and its absolutely over the top in quality … of nearly every other movie in the last decade … but the 1984 Dune did lay the groundwork that even made this adaptation possible. And even after 40 years, I still enjoy every rewatch of it. The music of 1984 is still my favorite. Hand Zimmer in contrast managed to make his soundtrack less … „sticky“, but rather subtle … together with a soundscape that is unmatched. I love Dune 1984, but Dune 2024 is the new emperor of the universe … and this on a quality level, that will be unchallanged for many decades.
Toto's music and the esoteric voice of the hero is some of my favorite things in 1984s Dune.
It may have differences with the book but it got the atmosphere right.
And has a great casting of actors.
I enjoy this film as I actually worked with the main special effects supervisor Barry Nolan in my Hollywood years and this was I think his greatest achievement in the effects production industry, being very influential to many later big effects films. And thanks George for doing a retrospective on the original KING KONG that was really great, with no funny business bringing 'everybody on deck'. Love those 1930s expressions.....
Thank you! Really glad you’re enjoying the channel!
I absolutely love every second of this film.. It's maybe the only film that I could finish, and immediately want to see the beginning again. I honestly don't know why it's so derided.
Half the time it's the opinion of folks who read the books long before the movie dropped. Just like with LOTR everyone who goes on a journey with a really good book cements an image of their heroes in their mind's eye. That image doesn't always transfer to the screen and that's when you get a visceral reaction from some folks. I get it, I'm going through it right now with the new movies that I have some issues with, although there's plenty to love about those too. The other half of the time, I find folks have an objection to the movie based purely on its production choices, whether it's the soundtrack or the special effects or some of the plot changes. Either way I tend to learn more about what folks love and what folks hate about the story telling involved which then helps me in my own writing.
Dune (1984) was Rich with Depth, both in visuals, music, and concept. The casting was superb and the acting was outstanding. The story was 'enough', but I would have liked it expanded to cover some history such as evolution of the spacing guild and the development, rule and war against the 'thinking machines', aka A.I. which was the real enemy, not general purpose computers.
Star Wars, in contrast, seemed commercial, plastic and pedestrian.
Everything positive I said about Dune (1984) you can reverse for the new Dune, the aristocratic aura of Duke Leto and Paul and Jessica which was perfectly portrayed in the 1984 version through costuming, acting and physicality (they looked and acted the part) was missing with the wuss of a scrawny Paul, for example.
Time flies when I watch Dune (1984) but I find myself checking my phone for the time with the new version.
It was the 1984 movie that drove me to read all the books. I NEEDED more information on the Duneverse.
A few added insights: besides the genius of Brian Eno, the music was also contributed by Toto. A large bulk of the filming was done at the Churubusco studios in Mexico City (was mentioned but no details). The creatures were designed and constructed by the maestro Carlo Rambaldi.
I got into Dune by seeing them on my uncle's shelf!
They were the Bruce Pennington illustrated covers. They were very colourful and very otherworldly and trippy.
I love both interpretations!
Those are really cool!
19:23 is such a great inside joke; it always annoyed me so much how Irulan just fades out and then randomly fades back in with "I almost forgot to mention" lol
Haha it’s a fairly goofy inclusion, one I always found funny
Haha, that visual quote at the end of the video was perfect :D
Thanks King!!
Went to see it on release aged 7 with my dad but we missed the first half of Virginia Masden’s prologue and I’ve got to admit was a bit lost for the rest of the film.
Quickly picked it up the next time I watched it on VHS.
The 4K blu ray release the other year was superb.
Having now seen both Dune remakes, recently part 2, even though they seem to more accurately depict life on a desert planet, and have included more events from the book (more time available) my favorite version is still the 1984 version. Glad to see that other people liked it besides me and Harlan Ellison.
I love color and decoration too, and the new movies don't have this. Everyone looks scraggly and dirty, which I suppose if you live in the desert all the time, might be true, but it left me wondering how such a low tech civilization could invent and make devices like the "stillsuit" the thumper devices, the water reclaimation device. These don't seem to go with "roughing it".
I also loved the 1984 soundtrack, I have it on vinyl, the last vinyl album I bought before CDs came in, and to me, it's always been beautiful. I know I'm biased, being an audiophile and singer/ musician. I especially love the piano/ orchestral piece at the end. Hans Zimmer wrote some great scores years ago, (Gladiator, etc). but with this one, he seems to have used a few atonal note combinations, a lot of sound effects, a few grating vocals, and called it a day. It might work to describe the setting of the story (desolate desert planet) but it's not the sort of soundtrack I'd buy and listen to.
I saw it in its original release in the theaters and enjoyed it then and still do now. I enjoy explaining the movie to my grandkids as they are fans of the new films. It reminds me of epic adventure films from the 1940s like The Four Feathers and The Thief of Bagdhad with the gilded sets and vast deserts
This is legit one of my favorite films. i do love it
Best retro review ever. Thank you for the diligence and detail and insight here... and assembly of HD footage and artwork etc. Funny, 18 minutes in I was thinking "nothing about the score??? c'mon man" and then you brought it up. I don't have major issues with the Toto score (but WHY Toto????????)... But I do agree, the "Prophecy Theme" by Brian Eno and his colleagues really captured the otherworldy epicness of the entire film, and that sound palette should have played a much bigger part.
Please review William Friedkin's "Sorcerer"! 1977
i saw this in a hotel at like 2am in a hotel when my family was driving from houston to colorado for spring break.. never heard of Dune being a 12 year old and this being well before the internet was an every day occurrence and i still remember vividly when i first saw one of the worms and i was jaw dropped and engrossed from that point on. i don't think i even ever saw the title of the movie since i caught it about a 1/4 of the way through, but i only have 2 other occasions that i remember so strongly from my youth (the others being Scream when i was like 8-9 years old watching with my sister and her friends and they all thought it was funny and i thought it was quite scary.. the other being the first half of jeepers creepers when i was watching it in the middle of the night in an empty house.. scared the heck out of me since there were alot of windows in my living room as a kid and all the blinds were up.. i felt like he could just be right outside)
Nice vid. Glad you talked about aspects of the book not touched upon in either film. I read the books (all of them) in my 20s, and numerous times since. I only saw the 80s film after that. I enjoyed the new movies, but I feel that Villneuve could've somehow delved deeper into the book. Three films instead of two maybe, but then, would that have been profitable? To his credit though, he managed to capture the religious fever among the Fremen at the hesrt of Paul's rise, and convey that in the theatre.
I watched David Lynch's Dune after watching Twin Peaks and Eraserhead. I'd heard of the story of Dune tangentially, but there's no way I would have read the books if it hadn't been for the film. I really have Lynch to thank for putting me on this series of incredible books. Even if he disowns his movie, I will keep loving it! It's a real trip
I’ve also seen this movie many times. I saw it in the theatre when it came out when I was 14. It was the first David Lynch movie I ever saw and I became a huge fan of his because of it. I always thought it was filled with great ideas and worlds, but that it suffered through a rushed edit. I definitely agree that the first part is great, but that it gets too rushed once the Fremen arrive.
Was one of my favourite movies in my youth, watched it so many times. I guess Lynch isn't for everyone but I loved the atmosphere he created, and the criticism was bizarrely OTT quite frankly.
my first venture into dune was the 1998 game, Dune 2000 and then further entrenched with the 2001 Emperor battle for Dune. Perhaps it was coincidence that i played the game in the summer.
Just found out that it had John Rhys Davis' in it
Nicely said at 6:45. This does parallel the Marvel era of directors.
Fantastic video! Would've loved to see Lynch's version of Dune with Tom Cruise at the help, wow. Or Val Kilmer. What a juicy Hollywood tidbit. Love alternate casting rabbit holes.
I think Val Kilmer really would have been great
What is the delayed "sinth voice" under the narrator voice? Sounds too strange (and why?) At 18:36 it suddenly disappears. Thanks for the video and sorry for the coment but I had to mention it because it is a little strange
I like the moments where he used The Voice to explain things 😂
Using the voice: "Subscribe"
This is STILL my favorite version of Dune. What Villenuve has done is gorgeous, but it just doesn't resonate with me the same way. THIS is MY Dune!
Villeneuve's is visually impresive, but like modern videogames, it lacks a soul. 1984 Dune has something special that makes you remember it. Can watch it a 1000 times and never get tired. New one is just 1 or 2 times.
If you want a primer on what Villenuve did with Dune, please see Blade Runner 2024 and Arrival.
The main takeaway is "Grey and dull".
Did you deliberately add that odd echo to your recording in honor of Paul and his mother doing "the voice"? Or did you just have issues with your recording equipment?
Probably issues, but idk what you're referring to?
@@FilmJournalthe sound gets really weird in a good way. It’s almost as if I took a hit of the spice melange, at one point your words almost sound like a religious chant. lol
Yup, weird echo abou 3/4 through, maybe he has “the voice” haha, still great video
@@FilmJournalIt's pretty cool; I wondered if you did it on purpose.
Let's go!!@@cobrown3o
I saw Dune 1984 twice last week because my mom wouldn't take me to see it when I was little. I was a Sting fan, but he was just the gateway. I love the movie and still seek the elusive 3hr 25min HBO in the 80s cut.❤
Edit: I understand why you're not fond of the Toto score. I love it, even in its "datedness." Bringing Brian Eno in to add to the score did help, for folks like me, who as a kid loved Tangerine Dream and J M Jarre, as well as, Maurice Jarre.❤❤❤
Maurice Jarre's score for the Year of Living Dangerously is so amazing.
The soundtrack to Last Temptation was done by Peter Gabriel. It's one of my wife's favorite CDs.
Yep, I misspoke
Thanks for the video. Disagree aboug the score but. Have always loved it and found it to be eerie, moving and very appropriately, out of this world! Stuart
Cool video and full agreement on the movie and Toto.
But Brian Eno did the score to Last Temptation of Christ? That was Peter Gabriel right?
I have that soundtrack; it’s by Peter Gabriel.
It sure is, Eno had nothing to do with that score. Ending this anecdotal review with this piece of fake trivia made it lose credibility.
@@nooptico yeah it was all PG, no Eno on that project...it stopped me dead in my tracks hearing that, even though it was a throwaway comment at the end.
Great Video. Just Subscribed. By the way, QUINN'S IDEA is a great channel to spend Hours learning about All the Dune Books in great detail.
I actually should have dropped in a shout out for him bc I’ve watched a lot of his stuff
@@FilmJournal His opinion was the one I wanted on the movie cuz when it comes to DUNE he's Master Yoda.
Oh, Mick Jagger would have been a kick ass Feyd Rautha. I really appreciate your synopis of Paul's relationship with his family, and the devotion of the Atredes subjects. Both movies show us that Duke Leto was a good man, and deserving of devotion. Regarding the score; I ADORE Toto's score. To this day, it gives me chill bumps.
Everyone likes Toto except me! And thank! I think the relationship the family has to it’s people is one of the most compelling for me. Glad you enjoyed it!
I love the older Dune release. I remember watching it when I was younger. I like it.
Great review. The soundtrack is one of the best ever.
The Lynch Dune version is my favorite, aside from Villeneuve's & Harrison's. I first read the Dune novel around 1982. To my surprise & unawareness, I had no idea that a movie was being made, to release a couple years later. Thus, unlike many movie-goers who got confused, I totally understood the movie, even with some of the artistic liberties made in it. And I still have the glossary handout sheets from the theater, 40 years later. If you want a slightly more book-focused cut of the Lynch version, go see the 2012 fan-edited 4k-upscaled SpiceDiver alternate 3-hour cut (that was a mouthful to say), which can be found here on RUclips, on GW's channel.
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*Question* I finally saw the 84 version all the way through 2 days ago. Is the “my name is a killing word” & “The weirding way” in the book?
Thanks very much for doing this. I liked the colors, styles, sets, action, etc. He did bring the book to life. The new pts 1 and 2 do it differently but, so many tans and browns - I miss the colors! Such a shame the film was chopped down but the book was pretty big and not everything could be included, which the new pts 1 and 2 prove. I would not be surprised if the saga grows to 8-10 films. You have two posters (?) on the wall on the right side of the video. Please tell me what they are, it's made me very curious. Thanks again!
Thanks very much glad you enjoyed the video. On the right side of my wall are two paintings, the work of a local artist. They were gifted to me and I don’t know much else about their origin other than I like them. Thanks for noticing!
@@FilmJournal Thank you.
Great retrospective. I love this particular film for a number of reasons, but the brilliant and powerful score in particular is worth a mention, something like the Elden Ring theme but with guitar, although that's of course a matter of taste.
Fair enough! Glad you enjoyed the video!
folding space is even faster than light speed. aside from whatever ramp up time it takes them to do the folding the movement is basically instant. you cant move around galaxies in any meaningful amount of time without it which they could do before they found spice but who wants to take 50-500 years just to move around a tiny bit of a galaxy? the voice as a sound attack / power word kill was a movie invention but still very cool!
This was a great review! The casting for Paul and the rest of the cast was so perfect. The thing I find so interesting about the Bene Gesserit and arguing on their ethics of sowing a religion but Paul literally is the chosen one. He's a product of their manipulations sure, but he's still the dude. If I saw Kyle MacLachlan and he was like, I'm the Emperor of man, I'd believe it. I honestly kinda liked him getting his shout powers, made him cooler.
Right, he may not be the Nissan Al Ghaib, but he is the Quiz At Zadarak- so... I think a lot of people are really in love with the idea of him being a false prophet manipulating "indigenous" people bc it allows the "white savior" element to be undercut therefore subverting that trope, understanding that make a lot of people feel smart.
@@FilmJournalNo guys I'm not really the chosen one, I'm just the greatest knife fighter in the known universe, I have the gift of prescience, can control people with my voice, and am a human computer. I'm not the chosen one it's all lies.
@@breadpirateoverhere That's because you are beta version of Kwisatz Haderach
@@LuDuxi WISH
Great channel! As a film buff of obscure great films of the 70s and 80s, I have some suggestions. Get ready so here it comes- "The friends of Eddie Coyle", "Blue Collar", Dirty Mary Crazy Larry, Dollar$, Go tell the Spartans, Horror Express, Klute, Manhunter, No way out, Prince of the City, Q and A, Race with the devil, Ronin, Sorcerer, The Anderson Tapes, The day of the Jackal, Wrong is right, The taking of Pelham 123, The legend of Hell house and The Wicker man.😊
All bangers! Friends of Eddie Coyle, Blue Collar, Race with the Devil, and Manhunter are all on the short list at the moment- I will probably get to one of those before the year ends.
I loved the 1984 version so much the vision and music were just epic. I loved toto's score it was great.
Great analysis, thanks 👌
You bet!
My only Two Major Major Gripes about Dune 1984, is that It had a solid basis for most of its design principles, I just couldn't get over the Gedi-Prime Uniform of a Black Chemical suit with a green glowing welding hood.
My second, is that Baron Harkonnen is seen as a man who trusted his mentat to make the plans when in something like Dune 2000 he was shown to be a master schemer who survived this long for a reason, and died for that hubris.
Nice vid: the sound made me feel like I breathed in the spice half way through 😂
Hey, that’s somewhat positive thank you. Some kind of corruption in the encode I guess
@FilmJournal Didn't stop me enjoying the presentation: good job, man 👏 👍
That's an interesting take. I have a different perspective. I saw Dune on its release in the cinema in 1984. There was no paper explaining anything - but I was in the UK, not the US. The film blew me away. I was a Star Wars fan, but Dune was different. As the tagline read, a world beyond my imagination. I disagree that it was of its time, like Star Wars ripoffs. As i experienced it at that time, for me, it was fresh. The music is extraordinary. A work of musical art.
I agree that the second act is compressed. Lynch was pressured. But I enjoy this film even today. The costume design, the sets, the colour, I prefer it to the dark new Dune. With the new Dune, I didn't feel the heat of the sun. In Dune 1984, it is hot out there! But i think this is more a problem of cinema today, many films have a dark filter. In the future I think this era will be recognised by this filtered look.
I am looking forward to seeing Dune part 2, I am sure it will be a spectacle.
It's nice how you use "THE VOICE"-like distortion effect from the movie for your own voice throughout most of this video lol
A quick note: you could look into your audio processing - it exhibits an audible and VERY disturbing distortion whenever you speak. Do you use any kind of an active noise limiter / reducer? The effect is somewhat like thm, but MUCH worse. As your mike is quite close to your mouth, I don’t think the echo of the room (if you do use some kind of an audio limiter because of that) would have much of a detrimental effect on the audio.
Nice retrospective! I rewatched “Dune” (1984) this morning. Loved it! Especially the Baron’s demise, I found that particularly satisfying. Tho, as a super villain, they made the Baron a bit too comical and surreal, but that’s just my opinion. I’d rather the director go big on the surreal super villain than leave him too subtle. LOVED the detail of the pustules on his face, that was so gross! I also appreciated that the 80s version hinted loudly to the audience that he was a pedophile. Again, just my opinion, but I thought that was very obvious in the source material too. I’ll be frank, I was somewhat disappointed by “Dune: Part 2” (2024). What really captivated me in “Dune: Part 1” was the seemingly unstoppable, evil force that was Baron Harkkonen (sp?), so corrupt and monstrous, more powerful perhaps than the emperor, I was absolutely terrified and disgusted! So, I devoured the first “Dune” book and waited for Dune 2 with bated breath. Unfortunately, my expectations were a bit too high, and [🚨 spoiler alert 🚨 ] ………
The Baron didn’t exactly get the satisfying death I had imagined. No one even bothered to toss him a shield, let alone have JUST ONE of the saudaukar (sp?) defend him when Paul stormed the palace. The Baron went out like a punk, and considering what an AMAZING villain he had been through all of “Dune Part 1”, you’d think the director would’ve done better by him, if only to appease the audience, but whatever. “Dune Part 2” is mostly entertaining, but why all the focus on Chani when Zendaya’s acting skills (like Chalamet’s) are SO VERY limited?? Sigh. I’ll finish the books and see “Dune Part 2” again, but I believe “Dune Part 1” was the better film. And tbh, “Dune” (1984) REALLY kicked “Dune Part 2”’s ass, but that’s just my opinion. U made some great points about “Dune” (1984)! Damn, I would sell my right arm to see Salvador Dali and Orson Wells in that “Dune” film that was never made! What a pity 😢
I love David Lynch's Dune. I just wish it was a better movie because it deserves to be. Contrarily to what others say, you can love an imperfect film.
I've never cared about the sloppy editing, reused special effects shots, wooden acting. I grew up with this film and love it. I saw it so many times I noticed its own stormtrooper head bump moment that I would point out to friends. The soundtrack is great, it's endlessly quotable, and gorgeous.
I am a big fan of the books and I think this, like Asimov's Foundation, were 2 sci fi stories that many people wanted to bring to the cinema but were also absolute behemoths. They both have a very long time span, in the case of this Dune I enjoy it, it is quirky at times and if I did not already know the story I think it would have been very incoherent. I really would like to see what it was David Lynch actually wanted to create, I have a feeling it would be even more incoherent and abstract like his Twin Peaks series and other shows are that venture into the sur-real.
Another thing you can find about this movie is that in a lot of ways the switch to Director David Lynch also paved the way for the Alien franchise, as Giger had originally done a lot of concept art for jodorowsky's dune that never got used and then he did quite a bit for the Alien movie, some of which I think started out for jodorowsky's dune.
I get that David Lynch really felt hamstrung in the making of this and that I am sure was the case so it would have been interesting to see his original vision, but I do like what we got out of him for this and it will always be iconic.
Thanks for "duning" in guys. Great pun :)
I loved this version as a kid/teen when it played on late night cable movies. The weirdness drew me in, then I later read the book in my 20s, and shortly after the miniseries came out.
Great well researched video, thanks! Even though 2021 Dune is much higher quality movie in terms of production value, 1984 is an irreplaceable distinictive classic with soul! It almost had the impossible task of cramming the book into one short movie.
One scene I miss from the book, that I believe was not shown in either movie or the mini-series, was when Lady Jessica found the secret arboretum, and made the choice to allow the local populace to draw water from it to give their families.
That would have been a cool moment in both versions- sad we didn't get it
I love the books and the David Lynch film because that was my introduction. In my head exist a perfect Dune Movie which is a mix of the poetics and interior monologues of Lynch and the look of the new ones.