I loved the feel of Dune even as a little kid. I didn’t understand the movie till I was a teen though. I still quote it occasionally. “I will bend like a reed in the wind.”
With all those streaming platforms popping up left right and center to rival Netflix, I'm surprised nobody there yet came to the idea to make Dune as a short series (10-12 40-50 minute episodes). This way we could get finally a version long enough and yet financially supported enough to make Dune justice.
@@Nakedhampster1 I know. They made a browser (basically just a reskin of some browser at the time, but hey) that I used for a while, but switched after I saw the finished product. Or rather parts of it, as here in Europe that miniseries took forever to come over. The difference is that the budget for that miniseries amounted to at best a direct-to-video adaptation, which is much lower than for an actual movie. But when you see the budgets of the series that Netflix, Amazon and Disney produce, you'll see that with that, a faithful adaptation of Dune would finally be within reach - if any of them would pick up the license that is!
@@steveweidig5373 Exactly! Everyone was looking for the next Game of Thrones, and Dune seemed to me a very obvious choice that was ignored. The new movie might be good, but there is potential for something much richer and more immersive on the small screen.
I saw this in theaters back when it released. They included a handout that explained the terminology used in the movie. I had never read the books, so it helped quite a bit. To this day, the only movie I know of that required a cheat sheet. I liked it then and liked it now, despite any flaws.
I think Game of Thrones is a lot more enjoyable to people who haven't read the books if they have some info sheets like this of at least whom is related to whom and the names/geography of the houses.
@@caseyhayes4590 Haha, I started watching GoT in season 2 and couldn't make heads or tails of plot, character motivations, or, well, anything. Went back to catch the first season and it all made sense. I enjoyed the first two books (they are exceedingly well-written), but they just start getting muddy in book three. The Dune chronicles start getting deep around book three, but remain enjoyable, except for the awful ending.
Yep.... I agree other commenters...2 viewings of Dune is enough.....seeing Paul's little sister in a culturally-appropriated burka twice is enough for me.
@@goobfilmcast4239 Stop with the PC Cultural appropriation nonsense. I've seen black people want white people to cut their dreadlocks because it was a black thing. Druid Priests wore them. Hebrew priests did.
Honestly, the original Dune movie was likely my most favorite movie of all time... The acting, the music score, the story, the sets, etc. it was ALL powerful and well done. Yes, I've never read the book, so I can understand some book purists might not have liked it, we often don't like movies that don't match a book we liked, but as a movie, it was literally EPIC.
The movie got me interested enough to read the book, and in retrospect, the movie is a highlight reel of some interesting stuff that happened, but it's extremely incomplete and omits a lot of important information, and would be pretty disappointing if you were expecting the grand and detailed book put to screen. I saw the movie first though, which allows me to enjoy it. It's a mess but it's a beautiful mess. That said, there's so much more there, and I'm really interested to see what Villeneuve can create.
I've read the books. The de Laurentis version of this is one of my all-time favorite movies, so I'm in no way upset with Lynch's adaptation. I's a difficult story to adapt because Frank Herbert has so much important detail in the expositions of the novel. By comparison, Tolkien created a world with several thousands of years of history and lore, linguistic and literary development, species and calendars, and supernatural origins. Most of this doesn't have to be completely delved into in order to understand the action. Herbert created entire planets, ecologies, cultures, and political systems that all have to be understood, at least on a superficial level, to follow what's going on.
@@jimpemberton that comparison with LOTR is interesting, it's much easier to understand a fantasy setting than a sci-fi one and thus the sci-fi would require more explaining and therefore harder to adapt without resorting to expostion dialogue... How Lynch tackle the peesonal shields are good but leaves out the impact the technology has had on combat
How did you understand the movie if you never read the book? So many things are unexplained in the movie that if you didn’t read the book you’d have no idea what is going on.
Watching Dune as a kid in the 80's, I thought it was simply awesome. Not sure why so many critics found it 'too confusing'. I would still rank it as one of the greatest sci-fi movies of all time, with so many iconic characters and scenes. Hard to imagine the new version will hold up in comparison, though I'll try to be open-minded.
I agree with you, critics recently seem to be too concerned with other critics opinions and it seems they only want to come up with some witty criticism that will draw attention to them. I guess nobody gets famous for praising a film but they might for panning it.
I saw the 84 film in the theatre when I was 14 and I had little memory of it aside from thinking it was bad, there were some worms and Sting was in a metal bikini. I just rewatched it and it was even worse than I remembered. The script is crap… there’s almost as much voiceover and inner dialogue than actual speaking, the actors are mostly talented but give wooden performances, which I assume was a deliberate directorial choice. The villains are cartoonishly laughable and ridiculous while also being problematic and homophobic. Kyle McLaughlin is handsome but has no charisma and you just don’t care about him as lead character. The effects are dated but that’s forgivable for a 40 year old film. The costumes and sets were mostly okay but they did add to the somewhat camp vibe of the whole movie. I think they tried to cram too much into the film and just had a very bizarre way of dealing with sci-fi as ‘strange’ as opposed to trying to ground it into something believable and real for audiences. Rewatching the film I had to stop and start it again just to force myself to get through it.
Roger Ebert called John Carpenter's ''The Thing'', I quote: ''A mindless gorefest.'', that should you tell anything you need to know about ''professional critics''.
David lynch's version is simply epic imo. Never having read the books so I haven't had anything to compare it to. Since 1st watching it I've found the deleted scenes version which do add in extra detail. The studio shafted David and his vision. It would have been a masterpiece
the book is better than the movie, which is incredibly high praise considering the high bar the movie has set...sadly though the series goes down hill and anything after the third book can pretty much just be ignored.
@@Arkenite Can't agree, Children of Dune kind of still bores me for some reason, I have a hard time getting through that episode. I love Heretics of Dune, a totally solid entry in the series, which would make a fantasic film, and God Emperor is a classic, even though it lacks action, etc. Chapterhouse starts off well, then lapses into stupid action cliches at the end.
The original 5 Books written by Frank Herbert (who was also a Scientist a Biologist from memory) of which the movie was only the 1st book. Also contained messages and warnings to the reader. The most important being that Mankind's pursuit of A.I will result in our Armageddon. So in the storyline of the books, a futuristic solution to our real world dilemma today, is that Humans have had too mutate themselves into various aspects of the technology we need, if we are to continue with the space going culture already then in place.
Have some appreciation for the vision, art and beauty of David Lynch's Dune...it was probably one of the hardest novels to transcend to the screen and as far as Im concerned, it's a masterpiece. Everything in this movie (apart from a few minor blue screen issues) from the screenplay, to the sound, costumes, sets, music and ultimately David Lynch's unique directing spin is brilliant and unique and the likes will never be seen again. Okay it may have not impressed the masses as they were probably too ignorant or they themselves lacked enough vision, but remember this was made in 1984 and I don't think audiences were prepared for a movie this deeply surreal and complex...almost religious in experience. In my mind, whoever doesn't appreciate the work that was done in this movie really doesn't understand the work.
I have reed all of Frank Herbert's writing and really do love this version of Dune much more than the miniseries. I agree that this movie was a difficult slog-through at first, but it remains one of my favorite movies of all time. And I say this as a lifelong Star Wars fan.
To be fair, the mini series was done on a much smaller budget and did a pretty good job all things considered, especially because there was more time to tell the story that is difficult to do in a single movie. The new Dune movie has been split into 2 parts, I watched the first part but while it had very high quality visuals, I didn't care for it as much. Maybe I'm in the minority. I think most younger viewers are gushing over it.
What the hell does it say about me after hearing all of this that I got the movie immediately I thoroughly enjoyed it and it has stayed with me the rest of my life.
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I saw this movie at the cinema when it was released and I was 13 years old. It blew me away and I've always wondered why people couldn't follow the plot. I hadn't read the books and yet found the movie incredible. It's one of my absolute favourite movies to this day.
I just watched it the other day and it didn't age well. I haven't watched it in like 20 years and I definitely see the short comings now that I didn't when I was younger.
@@JJ-nu8qi It hadn't aged well even 20 years ago. It's just a downright ugly film with unexciting characters. And the sets, no matter how much work was put in, do look utterly unconvincing.
@@blurgle9185 I remember it as movie I watched with my dad as a kid and of course he had read the books and filled in the details. Now I see if you haven't read the books it makes no sense plus the changes from the books were not good choices.
Besides the great set design and pretty good costumes, Dune is just plain bad. Several reasons: The Baron is portrayed as a cartoonish evil character, when in the book, he is a genius always planning many moves ahead. Jessica is portrayed as weak woman, who falls apart instantly. In reality, she is highly trained menially and in martial arts. Paul is portrayed as a god/man, and worst of all, a savior figure. When in actuality, his reign results in mass slaughter at an epic scale, in his name. And he knew it would in advance. Paul is not a good guy. The 'weirding modules' are idiotic, and not in the books. Just what you want when you are being attacked by a trained army, a weapon that fires a second after you yell into it. The Weirding Way is a martial art.
One problem with Dune is that it has little to no levity. In the theatrical cut, there are two jokes: 1) "BREAK!" followed by laughter. And 2) "Usul..." "Who will no longer need the weirding way." And that's it. (Gurney saying he's a wild ass in the desert if you count the Smithey cut.) The previews for the new film already shows Duncan joking with Paul about not putting on any muscles. And "Smile Gurney." "I am smiling." And, my apologies if I misquoted anything. I am recalling this from a faulty memory, for I do not have the filmbook at my desk. ;-)
I think we can now confidently say that Lynch's movie is "Dune-flavored". Thank you Denis Villeneuve. To everyone who loves this movie, it's a fine piece of filmmaking. I saw it several times, but it isn't and never was Dune. Read the book(s)!
If it truly "stood on its own" it wouldn't have needed to ride the coattails of Frank Herbert's title and readership to bait-and-switch *literate* fans into Lynch's shallow, uncomprehending art-wank.
I loved the novels, and was really looking forward to this film when it came out. I was just starting to enjoy it when they introduced those idiotic “heart plugs” that the Baron liked to pull, and they lost me. It just seemed to be David Lynch’s love of body horror, that I saw (and was repulsed by) in “Eraserhead”. There are parts of this movie that I still enjoy, but overall it was a big disappointment. Fingers crossed for Villneuve’s version. I can’t stand it when directors say “Here’s a classic story that everyone loves, I want to change everything to put my own stamp on it.” There’s a reason that Harry Potter and LOTR did so well - they stayed fairly faithful to the novels.
The issue is that film and TV are not -- and *cannot* be -- literature. The media are just too different, and so the stories must change. (Not that I can stomach movie adaptations... I saw FoTR with my then-wife, but stayed home for the other movies, so she -- who has not read the books -- could enjoy them.)
Villeneuves adaptation closely mirrors Lynch's atmosphere, scale, language usage and color palat. The cinematography and effects are of course better, and the organization, depth and pacing too. Both films had awesome casts.
I have loved this movie since I saw it when it released. In hindsight, who can deny the absolute superiority of a scene where we get to see Captain Picard charge into battle with a warcry on his lips while carrying a pug.
Agreed. There are countless movies out there that are made to be shorter than what was shot as the Studeos and Producers think we people would get bored. I love longer movies and would like to see all of DUNE's stories in two or more movies. Lord of the Rings is one movie that is long, although I heard that even those movies had almost two hours of its shoots scrapped.
There’s no 4 hour cut. There was a rough assembly cut shown to executives, but this was trimmed down and then edited. There’s no deleted footage hidden. The deleted scenes were shown for the first time in 2006.
I saw Dune (1984) as a young kid, and absolutely loved it. If Santa would have given me a Vladimir Harkonnen toy to go along my Darth Vader toy, I would have been stoked.
Dune has the feel of one of those 1950s sprawling epics while at the time seeming experimental and psychedelic. I appreciate the movie now much more than when I saw it as a kid. Great artists take chances and sometimes an effort can seem uneven, but what is inspired always shines through and I'll take that over craftsman like say a Ron Howard at his best. Any day.
Despite criticism, Lynch's version remains the best. Mostly because he worked with the creator of the story Frank Herbert. Although not as mesmerizing as the books, Lynch came close. Beautiful cinema photography, wonderful costumes- a mix of classical and early 20th century European styles. Marvelous acting by Kyle McLachlan as Paul Artredes and Siân Phillips as the reverent mother Gaius Helen Mohiam. Of course it had bits of Lynch's serialism and his wonderful direction. It's a one of a kind movie as the books were. As to the newer adaptations....doesn't come even close to it.
Although I didn't get this movie at first it was the first of Lynch I had ever watched. Some years later I watched Mulholland drive, blue velvet, elephant man, twin peaks and tp the return. I absolutely loved it all so much and am now a huge fan! Even though I still don't get this movie I appreciate it in a new light today.
I enjoyed this movie and still do. I read the book in school and realized, like the Shining, sometimes a deviation from the book can be a good thing. The new Dune has huge celebrities and aside from the evolved CGI doesn’t have the same appeal Lynch added.
Hey I don’t care what anyone says. My dad showed me the original when i was a kid and I’ve owned multiple copies. This movie is awesome. Though it has flaws like every movie it is my ultimate cult classic.
14:06 Well, that’s not exactly true. He’s got a deal where, if Dune makes enough money, they will let him do a part 2. But it’s got to hit the magic number, whatever that number is. And if his track record has proven anything, he makes amazing movies that don’t make money.
Did you read the book, before seeing the movie? I, also, found it easy to follow, but I had the benefit of reading the book beforehand - I would expect it to be much more confusing without prior knowledge of the universe.
Neither did I. I haven't read the books either. I tried once, but couldn't stand Herbert's way of writing, for some reason. That was after I had already seen the movie, though. Thought the movie was simple enough to understand. A bit weird sometimes, but not exactly hard to understand.
1984's Dune was amazing!!! I like that Paul knew what he had to do and was way more confident then the remake. And the remake where's the emperor, feyd Rauthara, idk i still liked it tho if it's Dune i'm interested except maybe the 90's Dune with James Macavoy as leto 2 fusing with the worms and running super fast lmao.
I deeply wish David Lynch would possibly go back on the cutting room floor and make his own edit of the film. Even if it is 400 minutes or something. Hell... he seemed open to the idea in his "AV Club" interview from last year!
I have commented on many videos like this one about Dune. I read the book in 1975. This film was dead on following the book. I do understand those that did not really know the story very well. It was old timey feeling and yet part of a future world different than what the audience in 1984 were used to. It could have been at least 3 hours long but it still remains a classic now a cult following. I will watch it in the future to remind me of the times it was made. Frank Herbert was there at every turn of the page. this new rendition of the story will be very up to date for 2021. I will watch it but it won't be like the first one!
The 2000 TV series was much better, although its visuals were cheap video game level at best. They took more time to flesh things out, and while it was still kind of on the weird side, it was less weird in its presentation. I read the book twice before seeing either of them so I already knew what was going on, and I think things could be done in more accessible ways.
Patrick Stewart uses his own pet dog as a meatshield while charging into battle. And no, you cannot convince me that that wasn't EXACTLY what he was doing. You don't bring your pet into battle. You do bring meatshields. He was holding the poor mutt directly over his heart. I'm sure there was a cut scene somewhere of him throwing his dog at an enemy just to buy himself one extra second of life.
I liked Dune! I watched it as a kid...didn't understand it at the time, of course, however as an adult when I revisited it not only made sense but the storyline was fascinating.
Sorry JoBlo virtual dude, but I LOVED the original Dune. Saw it numerous times. It's so much a part of my psyche, that I probably won't be seeing any other versions in case my brain breaks. And I loved Irulan's voiceovers!
The movie feels like a short summary of the book. I read the book before watching the movie, I was a bit disappointed because the book had so much more but over all the movie was nice to watch and covered the essential story. It's like the 3 novels from Stieg Larsson, the Millenium Triology and the movie "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo", which only covers a part of the first novel. And again, who read the novels is a bit disappointed by the short adaption, but the movie itself is quite good.
I get the impression that those who liked this version hadn't read the book first - in which case it would look impressive. And those of us who didn't like it HAD read the book first. That's the only way I can explain it.
I love this movie. I'm not sure how adults didn't understand what was going on, but the children/teens of the time did. I loved the design and weirdness of it. I still say random quotes from it to this day. I still chuckle when I tell people there's a floating tenderloin in the movie that can bend time and space. 😂
For its flaws, there is a lot to like about this version of Dune. The casting was very good even though Paul Atreides was portrayed older than he was in the book. The cinematography and costume design was excellent with a unique blend of different styles that made each locale different. Yes, the narrative was a mess, but that was not entirely Lynch's fault. The studio forced too many compromises which affected everything from exposition and the pacing. Its as if the 2nd half of the story which spans over several years, had to be compressed into the last 30 minutes of the movie. There were quite a few scenes left out of the final edit that made more sense to keep in. One that showed Thufir Hawat's death which would have solved a continuity problem in the final fight scene. And it would have closed a story arc of that character. The one scene a didn't like at all was the final scene where it started to rain. It was not in the book and is grossly antithetical to the character of Paul Atreides and ran counter to one the main points that Herbert was making about the idea of a messiah or chosen one.
Critics savaged Dune for being incomprehensible, which if you pay attention it is not at all; then 6 years later they lauded Twin Peaks for being incomprehensible... which it actually is.
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After reading the novel Is saw the movie and had no fucking idea what to make of it but after seeing Eraserhead I finally understood what it is. It's David Lynch adapting Dune while battling studio execs and trying to be himself as possible.
It's weird to me to hear kids these days talking about the problem with Lynch's Dune. It's a masterpiece. And just about everyone loved it until recently (Lynch's issues with the TV edit notwithstanding). I do, however, understand the sad need to generate clicks and views. So for all the people who understand that the 84 version was a revolutionary film which contributed much to the landscape; we forgive your tragic venality.
"I must not fear.Fear is the mind-killer.Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.I will face my fear.I will permit it to pass over me and through me.And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
Read the book when I was in the 6th -grade.It-- took me 8 months to under- -stand it's source material.It truly is -a great science-fiction novel.Frank -Herbert wrote the definitive book -an alternative view-point of life on -a different future of planets and it's -politics of changing worlds.I agree -with most people that the film was -a bit muddled and confusing.I read -the book so I did understand and en -joyed the movie.Another film of the -same name was released recently -but because of the pandemic it was -not released properly and no reviews -of it that I've heard.The Sleeper has -awakened!!✨✨🔵🔵🟦🟦🔚🔚🔚🔚
Exactly!!! However it holds up as an adaptation it was a worthy introduction to Herbert's groundbreaking (lliterally in the narrative - hrr!!!) exercise in world building in the science fiction genre You didnt forget the imagery or scenes in a hurry.
Everybody wants to focus on what this film got wrong without acknowledging how much it got right. I think the casting was great. The sound and music are incredible. The use of interior monologues is always risky, but were used to great effect here. The visuals were as good as they could have been. I think anyone who re-watched the film a few times understood the plot without difficulty. Despite the fact that the corporate powers kept interfering with the films direction, Lynch still made a good film. Frank Herbert liking the film is really the only blessing that was needed.
You're right about the casting. I think Leto, Jessica, the Baron (acne free), the Emperor, Irulan, the Reverend Mother, Yueh, Duncan Idaho, Gurney, Chani, and Rabban were spot-on. Even Sting as Feyd-Rautha was a solid choice. The music and inner dialogue worked well. I complained in my post the real problem was Lynch's adding weird stuff, cosmetics, and not sticking closer to the book throughout hurt his adaptation.
100% agreement. This has been my favorite film by a mile for decades. The visuals were across the board incredible, the casting couldn't have been better, and the soundtrack was second to none.
@@Thunderflare99 The thing about Lynch's "weird adaptations" is that he HAD TO do them to keep the time down or because there is no other way. - Giedi Prime is a thoroughly "Ancient Rome" but dictatorial/oppressing setting ... but you cant explain that within five minutes and thus he went with an "Artsy" way to EMOTIONALLY show the oppression and weirdness of the Baron - the combat skill level of the Atreides/Sardaukar/Fremen is easily described in a book, but how do you SHOW these levels on screen? If it is simply one side that always wins ... it can also be due to PLOT ARMOR and not because it is actually "visible to the viewer"; just think about a Western, where the heroes "always hit" and the bad guys never kill a good guy. The sound-modules are a crutch to do exactly this ... but it is a less than ideal solution, because the Fremen are supposed to be THE SUPERIOR FIGHTERS on their own ... because Arrakis is tougher than Salusa Secundus. With modern combat training there MIGHT BE a way to show the different levels of fighting ability ... maybe by letting each group use a different style of martial arts and then assigning them a "rock paper scissors" hierarchy of sorts, where the Judo attempt loses to the Karate strikes. Green-screen and wire-based fighting (as was used in the Matrix for example) would be completely inappropriate, because it isnt about superpowers and there would have to be LOTS of people fighting at the same level of skill. Let us hope they shy away from the DANCE CHOREOGRAPHY of the throne room battle in the Last Jedi ... which is one of the most atrocious scenes ever, riddled with visual mistakes and logical holes.
@@Muck006 I appreciate that you took the time to debate some points. I understand what you're saying, but there are just blatant weird imagery things that were completely gratuitous and unnecessary in adapting the book to movie in Lynch's style. I agree that the "weirding way" is hard to depict on screen, and it was not described in any detail in the book. I think part of the problem with making the book into a movie is that the book is very dialogue-driven; Herbert wasn't very detail-oriented, but there is just enough to go on. Lynch did very well the inner dialogue. LOL, I like the throne room scene in TLJ. I know there are people that have spent time slowing it down and tearing it apart, but I just watch it normal and enjoy it.
@@funkyfurballs1078 i was sold for like begining 4/5ths of the tv series but it felt totally wet noodle at the end.. All is well that ends well. Felt it didnt end well. But the ending was closer to the book ending ill give it that.
I absolutely loved this film - a real 'WTF' moment for me. I loaned the VHS tape several times from my local video library. The story was so 'far out' - it's what true science fiction is meant to be. I may try and read the book one day.
They created a unique sound environment for each of the three planets. When you arrive at Harkonnen it's very scary as if you're in the realm of a black widow spider. I've seen very few movies that equalled what this did. Too bad many simply could not connect.
This was actually my favorite movie when I was a kid. I had always been a Star Wars fan, and I perceived Dune as Star Wars for grownups, like you talked about. It has its flaws and I was blown away when I finally read the novel (and later saw the miniseries), but this is still one of my favorite movies of all time.
Absolutely! Lynchs movie may have it flaws but (as a big fan of the books) its way closer to the books and catches the mood perfectly while the new movie....yeah...its somehow just another new movie with lots of fancy effects camera work and stuff and totally off from the books.....it wasnt a bad movie but it wasnt a good movie either...
I agree. Lynch's Dune genuinely had an other-worldly feel to it. The new Dune is just Hollywood doing what Hollywood does. Just feels like an epic on earth.
@@JamesSmith-mv9fp I'm quoting my favorite sci-fi movie and Paul's message is loud and clear. I don't need some pompous pedant trying to convince me how smart he is.
I loved the movie at first, having never read the book before. The movie made me want to read the book and reading it made me hate the movie and Lynch and his work, for life. So if you do like the movie and like David Lynch... don't read the book. That's my advice.
I had read the book and I just took this movie as an artistic representation of one person's take on how to tell or project the story as movie. The art direction and actors are pretty great so they are two different entities in my mind. If I want to turn someone onto Dune I'm not showing them the movie. Im giving them the book
@@DDanV That doesn't really make sense to me. How can reading the book ruin a movie you love? I love the movie and I love the book, I just see them as two entirely different representations of the same story (like almost any book that transitions to movie). Sure, Lynch's movie made shit up and took liberties but I think they had to in order to make it more appealing for the audience. You can tell he put a lot of love and effort into it (nothing disrespectful to the work at least). - Frank Herbert doesn't exactly write in a way that would allow for an easy transition to movie. 90% of the content of his books is inner monologue and the narrator describing things with very little action happening.
I actually liked Dune, some people do, while some don't, that's not a problem, the new version seems to copy the old movie but everyone seems to love the new movies look, but it's copying the old movies tone look and story. I guess they think the story will be different but it probably won't and maybe the new version fixes the old versions flaws that others didn't enjoy except only a few fans.
@@travisbaker7547 didn't mean to sound douchie just saying the new dune looks likes a more accurate adaption of book compared to the lynch version. So that's why I wouldn't call it a remake
There are certain scenes in this movie that are phenomenal. Paul teaching the Freman the weirding way, the arrival on Arrakis, the Spacing Guild visiting the Emperor, the final fight with Sting.
Mind you, the Weirding Way in the film is nothing like the books. In the books, it's a means of moving very quickly for tactical advantage. I do still like it, though.
This movie is an absolute gem. I had read all the Dune books that were then available so was well versed in the story line. They covered all the main points that advanced the story. The book to script writing was excellent, the acting was top class all the way and the special effects were as good as could be for the time. I still watch this movie whenever it comes on the tv and it never fails to satisfy.
The effects were, or appeared, less technically advanced. Frankly, the shot shown, of all the ships "loading" into the carrier, was not well explained in the film and the carrier looked like a matte painting from the 1950s, it had no presence on the screen, no feel, no bulk. It looked flat and it made the scene flat.
Because it’s predicated on a mystical/psychic foundation. The Guild Navigators are the ones dong the folding and transporting, not the ships themselves.
What I find hilarious is that I was 14 at the time, had never even heard of the books at that point, and I had absolutely no problem understanding the movie. It seems like maybe the "adults" of the 80's aren't as bright as they thought they were.
Same, i was a kid when i watched this movie, had no problem understanding the plot and loved it. It was a gateway to the novels and everything Dune. Still one of my favorite movies.
I watched this movie in the cinema when I was eight years old and I understood everything perfectly, years later I read the books and started to like it even more, the movie is amazing. I love this movie, I love the Frank Herbert novel it was based on, and I don't give a damn what critics think or say. "The sleeper must awaken", lol.
Hmm. I read the book as a ~18 kid and loved it. Never watched the movie because everybody said it sucked, though when I think about it I never knew anybody that had seen it. Now I'm thinking I'm going to watch it this weekend.
@@codediporpal it is actually very good. Everything was well done with the exception of the Sandworms. But the sets, and layouts. The costumes, the designes, are all extraordinary for the time. The lack of a high standard of quality on the worms. It is still a phenomenal effort at rendering Herberts magnificent work on film. So much so that@ I watched this scifi opus a minimum of one hundred times. Denis interpretation needs three films, at least, to bring Herberts genius to life. Cheers!
yeah Sian Phillips, wife of.. someone they have probably heard of. I assume he means famous to younger American audiences. I applaud his script, elsewhere: written by Ben Cantler Phillips played Smiley's wife opposite Alec Guinness -- RIP John le Carre
@@TheKrackalack The best novel ever written. All fiction is a story about what it means to be human. Nothing gives as much depth of the human experience as Frank Herbert's Dune series. He discusses issues which are universal to the human experience and will remain relevant for all time. He explores the most fundamental aspect of all life: scarcity. The books extrapolate a plausible future of interstellar human societies by projecting present technology and fundamental human drives over tens of thousands of millennia. He uses his deep understanding of current day politics, language, and history to build a world with more depth than any other yet conceived. He explores the inevitable conflicts which AI will yield for mankind. Almost no aspect of humanity or technology is left untouched: genetic engineering, religion, war, economics, ecology, resource competition, energy, evolution, chemistry, biology, space travel. And the through-line of it all (the first book anyway) is Paul. His story is the tale of a boy's transition into manhood. As a boy, Paul must endure trials to become a man -- each more harrowing than the last. We witness Paul as he masters his own animal nature by resisting the urges of the flesh in deference to his own will. As Paul's experience of life grows, his relationship to his family and his history evolves. In short order he becomes a ruthless warrior in service to freeing mankind from the depredations of corporate and Imperial greed which manipulates the supply of the most valuable substance in the known universe: the spice. The Spice controls most of the motivation of the humans in Dune in the same way that oil controls the humans in our time. It's not a coincidence that the Spice is under the sands of a desert planet. Herbert doesn't bother to hide that analogy -- he wants you to know that's his intent. He heavily sprinkles Arabic terms for names of items and events on Arrakis. The novel is the first time I ever saw the word Jihad in print -- and I'm not sure I had ever even heard of it at that time (in the early 80s). Dune is one of the top 5 books that changed how I view my world. It described perfectly the manner in which I viewed the events I was experiencing in my life as Paul experienced his own. I was around the age of Paul when Dune begins. I had come to conclusions about life which most boys my age don't discover until much later. As I read Dune, it was like Herbert's understanding was parallel to my own. We both understood that it often takes severe circumstances to provoke a person to become the best version of themselves. Herbert called it, "The Agony" as a metaphor. I understood his premise well. Too well. I was born with a mind which outstripped anyone's ability to moderate it -- least of all me. At a young age I understood that one day I was going to die -- to cease to exist. That knowledge has been a constant companion. I never had the luxury of most young men -- to believe that they're immortal. As time passed, there were many agonies along the way. Some of them were more harsh than most people could cope with -- and I didn't cope with them well myself until I made the decision to fight. It was in those years the the words of Fight Club, years hence, would succinctly put the lessons I learned the hard way: "Until you lose everything, you're not free to do anything." My lowest point was when I thought I was going to be legitimately murdered by classmates (they called my house anonymously and assured me and my parents of their designs). It's now 30-odd years since those days. I solved that problem and many more. I still remain. I have a success of sorts -- my life is better than my early plans but now my plans are for more. Dune is a book which every young man should read. It might give some of them a better understanding of life and what it means to endure life's various agonies.
I've watched last starfighter and dune along with star wars when I was a kid in 80s 90s . That was a prime time for sci Fi movies . This one still watch over and over.
@@thewizzard3150 There were plenty of stinkers from that era too: "Invasion of the Star Creatures", "Last Woman on Earth", "Night Caller from Outer Space". Also some very good ones: "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea", "The Time Machine", "Planet of the Apes"
Star Wars was mainstream. The Dune series of books by Frank Herbert was aimed at Science Fiction Fans and contained some important warnings and messages to the reader, particularly the warning about the current Human insane pursuit of A.I.
Agreed. I would have loved to have watched Baron Harkonnen's huge home and business HQ on Geidi Prime get destroyed by Duke Leto Atreides as the equivalent of an exploding Death Star. OTOH just to watch a weight-challenged bully like Baron Harkonnen get killed by a little girl and her needle weapon was worth waiting for:
I loved the feel of Dune even as a little kid. I didn’t understand the movie till I was a teen though. I still quote it occasionally. “I will bend like a reed in the wind.”
Fear is the mind killer.
@@captaintyrrell6428 “What’s inside the box? Pain.”
Yep, I didn't fully understand the movie until I started reading the novels.
*i've loved my mentat inspired eyebrows ever since this movie came out*
"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion."
Jodorowsky was right. It really should be 10 hours.
With all those streaming platforms popping up left right and center to rival Netflix, I'm surprised nobody there yet came to the idea to make Dune as a short series (10-12 40-50 minute episodes). This way we could get finally a version long enough and yet financially supported enough to make Dune justice.
@@steveweidig5373 there was a miniseries in 2000. It was horrible.
@@Nakedhampster1 I know.
They made a browser (basically just a reskin of some browser at the time, but hey) that I used for a while, but switched after I saw the finished product. Or rather parts of it, as here in Europe that miniseries took forever to come over.
The difference is that the budget for that miniseries amounted to at best a direct-to-video adaptation, which is much lower than for an actual movie. But when you see the budgets of the series that Netflix, Amazon and Disney produce, you'll see that with that, a faithful adaptation of Dune would finally be within reach - if any of them would pick up the license that is!
sounded more like an excuse for his own shortcomings
@@steveweidig5373 Exactly! Everyone was looking for the next Game of Thrones, and Dune seemed to me a very obvious choice that was ignored. The new movie might be good, but there is potential for something much richer and more immersive on the small screen.
I saw this in theaters back when it released. They included a handout that explained the terminology used in the movie. I had never read the books, so it helped quite a bit. To this day, the only movie I know of that required a cheat sheet. I liked it then and liked it now, despite any flaws.
I remember getting the glossary sheet at the theatre. Wish I'd saved it.
Oh they do that back in the 80s?
I think Game of Thrones is a lot more enjoyable to people who haven't read the books if they have some info sheets like this of at least whom is related to whom and the names/geography of the houses.
@@caseyhayes4590 Haha, I started watching GoT in season 2 and couldn't make heads or tails of plot, character motivations, or, well, anything. Went back to catch the first season and it all made sense. I enjoyed the first two books (they are exceedingly well-written), but they just start getting muddy in book three. The Dune chronicles start getting deep around book three, but remain enjoyable, except for the awful ending.
@Darren Threinen I didn't read the whole series until I was in my mid-20s. If I had tried that as a kid, it would have turned me off to reading. ;D
Dune is a movie you can watch over again and again it’s that good. The Spice Must Flow!
I'm folding space right now, in ma navigator 1st class PJs
I watched it twice and will never watch it again. Never.
Yep.... I agree other commenters...2 viewings of Dune is enough.....seeing Paul's little sister in a culturally-appropriated burka twice is enough for me.
@@goobfilmcast4239 Stop with the PC Cultural appropriation nonsense. I've seen black people want white people to cut their dreadlocks because it was a black thing. Druid Priests wore them. Hebrew priests did.
Not me,Brah.Not me,Brah.
Honestly, the original Dune movie was likely my most favorite movie of all time...
The acting, the music score, the story, the sets, etc. it was ALL powerful and well done. Yes, I've never read the book, so I can understand some book purists might not have liked it, we often don't like movies that don't match a book we liked, but as a movie, it was literally EPIC.
I'm less upset over the adaptations in this movie than Lord of the Rings
The movie got me interested enough to read the book, and in retrospect, the movie is a highlight reel of some interesting stuff that happened, but it's extremely incomplete and omits a lot of important information, and would be pretty disappointing if you were expecting the grand and detailed book put to screen. I saw the movie first though, which allows me to enjoy it. It's a mess but it's a beautiful mess. That said, there's so much more there, and I'm really interested to see what Villeneuve can create.
I've read the books. The de Laurentis version of this is one of my all-time favorite movies, so I'm in no way upset with Lynch's adaptation. I's a difficult story to adapt because Frank Herbert has so much important detail in the expositions of the novel. By comparison, Tolkien created a world with several thousands of years of history and lore, linguistic and literary development, species and calendars, and supernatural origins. Most of this doesn't have to be completely delved into in order to understand the action. Herbert created entire planets, ecologies, cultures, and political systems that all have to be understood, at least on a superficial level, to follow what's going on.
@@jimpemberton that comparison with LOTR is interesting, it's much easier to understand a fantasy setting than a sci-fi one and thus the sci-fi would require more explaining and therefore harder to adapt without resorting to expostion dialogue...
How Lynch tackle the peesonal shields are good but leaves out the impact the technology has had on combat
How did you understand the movie if you never read the book?
So many things are unexplained in the movie that if you didn’t read the book you’d have no idea what is going on.
Watching Dune as a kid in the 80's, I thought it was simply awesome. Not sure why so many critics found it 'too confusing'. I would still rank it as one of the greatest sci-fi movies of all time, with so many iconic characters and scenes. Hard to imagine the new version will hold up in comparison, though I'll try to be open-minded.
Imo the new one is better
@@LuigiGamesful If you wanna take a nap
@@1165slugman That's a bit harsh
I agree with you, critics recently seem to be too concerned with other critics opinions and it seems they only want to come up with some witty criticism that will draw attention to them. I guess nobody gets famous for praising a film but they might for panning it.
I saw the 84 film in the theatre when I was 14 and I had little memory of it aside from thinking it was bad, there were some worms and Sting was in a metal bikini. I just rewatched it and it was even worse than I remembered. The script is crap… there’s almost as much voiceover and inner dialogue than actual speaking, the actors are mostly talented but give wooden performances, which I assume was a deliberate directorial choice. The villains are cartoonishly laughable and ridiculous while also being problematic and homophobic. Kyle McLaughlin is handsome but has no charisma and you just don’t care about him as lead character. The effects are dated but that’s forgivable for a 40 year old film. The costumes and sets were mostly okay but they did add to the somewhat camp vibe of the whole movie. I think they tried to cram too much into the film and just had a very bizarre way of dealing with sci-fi as ‘strange’ as opposed to trying to ground it into something believable and real for audiences. Rewatching the film I had to stop and start it again just to force myself to get through it.
I don't understand how people, especially someone in the industry like Roger Ebert, can't follow a film like Dune.
It is possible if you haven't read the books.
Any movie he reviewed where he had to THINK or try to understand a complex story, he hated. Especially Sci-fi movies. The first Critic-troll.
Roger Ebert called John Carpenter's ''The Thing'', I quote: ''A mindless gorefest.'', that should you tell anything you need to know about ''professional critics''.
@@doublep1980 not every movie is made for everyone and Unpopular opinion exists
Robert Ebert was so overrated and just a pretentious douchebag
I watched this movie so many times, and I enjoyed every second of it.
Me too. Dozens of times. Roomies were not thrilled. Hehe
David lynch's version is simply epic imo. Never having read the books so I haven't had anything to compare it to. Since 1st watching it I've found the deleted scenes version which do add in extra detail.
The studio shafted David and his vision. It would have been a masterpiece
the book is better than the movie, which is incredibly high praise considering the high bar the movie has set...sadly though the series goes down hill and anything after the third book can pretty much just be ignored.
@@Arkenite Can't agree, Children of Dune kind of still bores me for some reason, I have a hard time getting through that episode. I love Heretics of Dune, a totally
solid entry in the series, which would make a fantasic film, and God Emperor is a classic, even though it lacks action, etc. Chapterhouse starts off well, then lapses into stupid action cliches at the end.
The original 5 Books written by Frank Herbert (who was also a Scientist a Biologist from memory) of which the movie was only the 1st book. Also contained messages and warnings to the reader. The most important being that Mankind's pursuit of A.I will result in our Armageddon. So in the storyline of the books, a futuristic solution to our real world dilemma today, is that Humans have had too mutate themselves into various aspects of the technology we need, if we are to continue with the space going culture already then in place.
Have some appreciation for the vision, art and beauty of David Lynch's Dune...it was probably one of the hardest novels to transcend to the screen and as far as Im concerned, it's a masterpiece. Everything in this movie (apart from a few minor blue screen issues) from the screenplay, to the sound, costumes, sets, music and ultimately David Lynch's unique directing spin is brilliant and unique and the likes will never be seen again. Okay it may have not impressed the masses as they were probably too ignorant or they themselves lacked enough vision, but remember this was made in 1984 and I don't think audiences were prepared for a movie this deeply surreal and complex...almost religious in experience. In my mind, whoever doesn't appreciate the work that was done in this movie really doesn't understand the work.
can't agree with this more. its an amazing film
"He who controls the spice, controls the universe!"
"The spice must flow."
I can’t help but remember that damn SouthPark episode now....
Spice melange
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@@boscochou9710 EON- The Spice Must Flow 1991
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I remember watching this as a kid.. the main story wasn't too hard to follow even for a 10 yr old.. great movie that still holds up reasonably well.
I have reed all of Frank Herbert's writing and really do love this version of Dune much more than the miniseries. I agree that this movie was a difficult slog-through at first, but it remains one of my favorite movies of all time. And I say this as a lifelong Star Wars fan.
I agree that Lynch is way better than miniseries. I like the new movie about the same as Lynch for different reasons.
To be fair, the mini series was done on a much smaller budget and did a pretty good job all things considered, especially because there was more time to tell the story that is difficult to do in a single movie. The new Dune movie has been split into 2 parts, I watched the first part but while it had very high quality visuals, I didn't care for it as much. Maybe I'm in the minority. I think most younger viewers are gushing over it.
What the hell does it say about me after hearing all of this that I got the movie immediately I thoroughly enjoyed it and it has stayed with me the rest of my life.
Nothing really.
You are better than most humans who can not appreciate fine art without a flashy light show. We are on a level above them, more intelligent, rational, wise and noble with fine personal qualities and high moral principles. :)
It says you're one cool open minded free spirited intellectually sophisticated person
It says you're easily influenced. Careful with that.
@@dandavis8300 HOW DOES IT SAY THAT??????
I saw this movie at the cinema when it was released and I was 13 years old. It blew me away and I've always wondered why people couldn't follow the plot. I hadn't read the books and yet found the movie incredible. It's one of my absolute favourite movies to this day.
I for one loved the film, and wished it had greater appreciation.
I never understood why people hated this movie, and yes I read almost all dunes books and still like the movie
I just watched it the other day and it didn't age well. I haven't watched it in like 20 years and I definitely see the short comings now that I didn't when I was younger.
@@JJ-nu8qi It hadn't aged well even 20 years ago. It's just a downright ugly film with unexciting characters. And the sets, no matter how much work was put in, do look utterly unconvincing.
@@blurgle9185 I remember it as movie I watched with my dad as a kid and of course he had read the books and filled in the details. Now I see if you haven't read the books it makes no sense plus the changes from the books were not good choices.
@@JJ-nu8qi Yes, a sherpa to guide me through that mountain of backstory would've helped.
Besides the great set design and pretty good costumes, Dune is just plain bad.
Several reasons:
The Baron is portrayed as a cartoonish evil character, when in the book, he is a genius always planning many moves ahead.
Jessica is portrayed as weak woman, who falls apart instantly. In reality, she is highly trained menially and in martial arts.
Paul is portrayed as a god/man, and worst of all, a savior figure. When in actuality, his reign results in mass slaughter at an epic scale, in his name. And he knew it would in advance. Paul is not a good guy.
The 'weirding modules' are idiotic, and not in the books. Just what you want when you are being attacked by a trained army, a weapon that fires a second after you yell into it. The Weirding Way is a martial art.
We finally got an incredible adaptation of DUNE
This movie was ahead of its time. It was a great adaptation of the book. David Lynch and all the actors did miracles in such a short time.
It's a great movie ! Remember seeing this on vhs back when released for rental, from an actual video store. Still a great movie.
13:00, Twin Peaks is so weird, I love it.
One problem with Dune is that it has little to no levity. In the theatrical cut, there are two jokes: 1) "BREAK!" followed by laughter. And 2) "Usul..." "Who will no longer need the weirding way." And that's it. (Gurney saying he's a wild ass in the desert if you count the Smithey cut.) The previews for the new film already shows Duncan joking with Paul about not putting on any muscles. And "Smile Gurney." "I am smiling."
And, my apologies if I misquoted anything. I am recalling this from a faulty memory, for I do not have the filmbook at my desk. ;-)
I think we can now confidently say that Lynch's movie is "Dune-flavored". Thank you Denis Villeneuve. To everyone who loves this movie, it's a fine piece of filmmaking. I saw it several times, but it isn't and never was Dune. Read the book(s)!
David Lynch's version may have diverted on some of the details from the novel but stands on its own as an incredible work of art.
If it truly "stood on its own" it wouldn't have needed to ride the coattails of Frank Herbert's title and readership to bait-and-switch *literate* fans into Lynch's shallow, uncomprehending art-wank.
you have the best prononciation of Denis Villeneuve I've seen so far outside of Quebec
I loved the novels, and was really looking forward to this film when it came out. I was just starting to enjoy it when they introduced those idiotic “heart plugs” that the Baron liked to pull, and they lost me. It just seemed to be David Lynch’s love of body horror, that I saw (and was repulsed by) in “Eraserhead”. There are parts of this movie that I still enjoy, but overall it was a big disappointment. Fingers crossed for Villneuve’s version. I can’t stand it when directors say “Here’s a classic story that everyone loves, I want to change everything to put my own stamp on it.” There’s a reason that Harry Potter and LOTR did so well - they stayed fairly faithful to the novels.
It would have been a lot better told over 3 movies but pre-planned trilogies weren’t a thing in the 80’s
The issue is that film and TV are not -- and *cannot* be -- literature. The media are just too different, and so the stories must change. (Not that I can stomach movie adaptations... I saw FoTR with my then-wife, but stayed home for the other movies, so she -- who has not read the books -- could enjoy them.)
Villeneuves adaptation closely mirrors Lynch's atmosphere, scale, language usage and color palat. The cinematography and effects are of course better, and the organization, depth and pacing too.
Both films had awesome casts.
The latest Dune has nice design, but it's lacking something the Lynch and the Miniseries had.
I have loved this movie since I saw it when it released. In hindsight, who can deny the absolute superiority of a scene where we get to see Captain Picard charge into battle with a warcry on his lips while carrying a pug.
We need 4k edition of Lynch cut with all the scenes Lynch shoot, hope it will have at least 4 hours to make a more complete story.
Agreed. There are countless movies out there that are made to be shorter than what was shot as the Studeos and Producers think we people would get bored. I love longer movies and would like to see all of DUNE's stories in two or more movies. Lord of the Rings is one movie that is long, although I heard that even those movies had almost two hours of its shoots scrapped.
Was a site that had the full version of the movie with all the cut footage added back but I can't find the site anymore
There’s no 4 hour cut. There was a rough assembly cut shown to executives, but this was trimmed down and then edited. There’s no deleted footage hidden. The deleted scenes were shown for the first time in 2006.
@@Hudpix16 Thank you.
@@eDDyL666 Most of these sites are now blocked in most countries due to copyright issues. Maybe thats why, inless it was a Paid Site?
I saw Dune (1984) as a young kid, and absolutely loved it. If Santa would have given me a Vladimir Harkonnen toy to go along my Darth Vader toy, I would have been stoked.
Dune has the feel of one of those 1950s sprawling epics while at the time seeming experimental and psychedelic. I appreciate the movie now much more than when I saw it as a kid. Great artists take chances and sometimes an effort can seem uneven, but what is inspired always shines through and I'll take that over craftsman like say a Ron Howard at his best. Any day.
Lynch managed to capture the mysticism and mise-en-sene of the books but cramming the entire story into a single film was a mistake.
One of my favorite films of all time, if I start watching it is until the very end.
Despite criticism, Lynch's version remains the best. Mostly because he worked with the creator of the story Frank Herbert. Although not as mesmerizing as the books, Lynch came close. Beautiful cinema photography, wonderful costumes- a mix of classical and early 20th century European styles. Marvelous acting by Kyle McLachlan as Paul Artredes and Siân Phillips as the reverent mother Gaius Helen Mohiam. Of course it had bits of Lynch's serialism and his wonderful direction. It's a one of a kind movie as the books were. As to the newer adaptations....doesn't come even close to it.
There is a fan cut that puts in a lot of the cut scenes and some of other things cuts that makes it much more watchable and lasts over 3 hours.
Although I didn't get this movie at first it was the first of Lynch I had ever watched. Some years later I watched Mulholland drive, blue velvet, elephant man, twin peaks and tp the return. I absolutely loved it all so much and am now a huge fan!
Even though I still don't get this movie I appreciate it in a new light today.
I enjoyed this movie and still do. I read the book in school and realized, like the Shining, sometimes a deviation from the book can be a good thing. The new Dune has huge celebrities and aside from the evolved CGI doesn’t have the same appeal Lynch added.
Hey I don’t care what anyone says. My dad showed me the original when i was a kid and I’ve owned multiple copies. This movie is awesome. Though it has flaws like every movie it is my ultimate cult classic.
dune is a saga and why executives ever thought cutting the books down would make money is telling of what they really wanted.
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Well, that’s not exactly true. He’s got a deal where, if Dune makes enough money, they will let him do a part 2. But it’s got to hit the magic number, whatever that number is. And if his track record has proven anything, he makes amazing movies that don’t make money.
Movies aren't raking in the big bucks anymore so unfortunately part 2 is questionable at best.
Having read the series over 6 times I can assure it was nice seeing it come to life. it needed to be done in multiple movies rather than one.
I don't see how this movie is supposedly hard to understand.
Did you read the book, before seeing the movie? I, also, found it easy to follow, but I had the benefit of reading the book beforehand - I would expect it to be much more confusing without prior knowledge of the universe.
@@karsten11553 No, I did not.
Neither did I. I haven't read the books either. I tried once, but couldn't stand Herbert's way of writing, for some reason. That was after I had already seen the movie, though. Thought the movie was simple enough to understand. A bit weird sometimes, but not exactly hard to understand.
1984's Dune was amazing!!! I like that Paul knew what he had to do and was way more confident then the remake. And the remake where's the emperor, feyd Rauthara, idk i still liked it tho if it's Dune i'm interested except maybe the 90's Dune with James Macavoy as leto 2 fusing with the worms and running super fast lmao.
Ok, is no one talking about how it appears Paul is rocking an old school gym jump rope as a fashion accessory?
I deeply wish David Lynch would possibly go back on the cutting room floor and make his own edit of the film. Even if it is 400 minutes or something. Hell... he seemed open to the idea in his "AV Club" interview from last year!
I have commented on many videos like this one about Dune. I read the book in 1975. This film was dead on following the book.
I do understand those that did not really know the story very well. It was old timey feeling and yet part of a future world different than what the audience in 1984 were used to. It could have been at least 3 hours long but it still remains a classic now a cult following. I will watch it in the future to remind me of the times it was made. Frank Herbert was there at every turn of the page.
this new rendition of the story will be very up to date for 2021. I will watch it but it won't be like the first one!
Just re-watched this and the internal monologue whispering is just one of the very many problems.
The 2000 TV series was much better, although its visuals were cheap video game level at best. They took more time to flesh things out, and while it was still kind of on the weird side, it was less weird in its presentation. I read the book twice before seeing either of them so I already knew what was going on, and I think things could be done in more accessible ways.
We are not spoiled by Star Wars products.
Star Wars has been spoiled by excessively low-quality products!
The world is full of dummies so when a movie is a "flop", I'm instantly intrigued to see it.
Patrick Stewart uses his own pet dog as a meatshield while charging into battle. And no, you cannot convince me that that wasn't EXACTLY what he was doing. You don't bring your pet into battle. You do bring meatshields. He was holding the poor mutt directly over his heart. I'm sure there was a cut scene somewhere of him throwing his dog at an enemy just to buy himself one extra second of life.
I'd trust Denis Villeneuve to remake Star Wars the man is a fan of the movies he's making.
Dali, Wells, and Giger all in one movie? I agree greatest film never made.
I liked Dune! I watched it as a kid...didn't understand it at the time, of course, however as an adult when I revisited it not only made sense but the storyline was fascinating.
Orson Wells in a dune movie would've been amazing.
Sorry JoBlo virtual dude, but I LOVED the original Dune. Saw it numerous times. It's so much a part of my psyche, that I probably won't be seeing any other versions in case my brain breaks. And I loved Irulan's voiceovers!
The movie feels like a short summary of the book. I read the book before watching the movie, I was a bit disappointed because the book had so much more but over all the movie was nice to watch and covered the essential story. It's like the 3 novels from Stieg Larsson, the Millenium Triology and the movie "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo", which only covers a part of the first novel. And again, who read the novels is a bit disappointed by the short adaption, but the movie itself is quite good.
I get the impression that those who liked this version hadn't read the book first - in which case it would look impressive.
And those of us who didn't like it HAD read the book first.
That's the only way I can explain it.
Wild at Heart is an adapted work. :-/
Lynch's Dune is one of the best Sci-fi movies ever made.
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I hope the new one does well, but if the reviews have me smelling any woke bullshit, I’m out.
Aw, poor little snowflake
I love this movie. I'm not sure how adults didn't understand what was going on, but the children/teens of the time did. I loved the design and weirdness of it. I still say random quotes from it to this day. I still chuckle when I tell people there's a floating tenderloin in the movie that can bend time and space. 😂
For its flaws, there is a lot to like about this version of Dune. The casting was very good even though Paul Atreides was portrayed older than he was in the book. The cinematography and costume design was excellent with a unique blend of different styles that made each locale different. Yes, the narrative was a mess, but that was not entirely Lynch's fault. The studio forced too many compromises which affected everything from exposition and the pacing. Its as if the 2nd half of the story which spans over several years, had to be compressed into the last 30 minutes of the movie. There were quite a few scenes left out of the final edit that made more sense to keep in. One that showed Thufir Hawat's death which would have solved a continuity problem in the final fight scene. And it would have closed a story arc of that character. The one scene a didn't like at all was the final scene where it started to rain. It was not in the book and is grossly antithetical to the character of Paul Atreides and ran counter to one the main points that Herbert was making about the idea of a messiah or chosen one.
Critics savaged Dune for being incomprehensible, which if you pay attention it is not at all; then 6 years later they lauded Twin Peaks for being incomprehensible... which it actually is.
I thought the Scyfy telling of Dune was pretty good.
agreed, low budget, adequate acting, but this was the spirit of the book. Lynch's was not
"Fear is the true Mind Killer"
*Coronavirus has entered the chat*
Oh boy....
Amen
@@davidvitan3590 Few can see the truth, even when it stands before them.
@@GregJoshuaW lolz
Here’s a review of a 40 year old film your take on the subject would you like to hear my politics. The answer is no no one wants to hear about your politics.
After reading the novel Is saw the movie and had no fucking idea what to make of it but after seeing Eraserhead I finally understood what it is.
It's David Lynch adapting Dune while battling studio execs and trying to be himself as possible.
"WTF Happened to this Movie?"
It became a 'Cult Classic' that's what...
Time has a way of making movies better and making people realize things
Main problem 10 lbs of content in a 1/2 pound bag
It's weird to me to hear kids these days talking about the problem with Lynch's Dune. It's a masterpiece. And just about everyone loved it until recently (Lynch's issues with the TV edit notwithstanding). I do, however, understand the sad need to generate clicks and views. So for all the people who understand that the 84 version was a revolutionary film which contributed much to the landscape; we forgive your tragic venality.
"I must not fear.Fear is the mind-killer.Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.I will face my fear.I will permit it to pass over me and through me.And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
Not a bad mantra for facing one’s fears. Doubly effective if you also utilize various breathing techniques.
And what’s your point
Read the book when I was in the 6th
-grade.It-- took me 8 months to under-
-stand it's source material.It truly is
-a great science-fiction novel.Frank
-Herbert wrote the definitive book
-an alternative view-point of life on
-a different future of planets and it's
-politics of changing worlds.I agree
-with most people that the film was
-a bit muddled and confusing.I read
-the book so I did understand and en
-joyed the movie.Another film of the
-same name was released recently
-but because of the pandemic it was
-not released properly and no reviews
-of it that I've heard.The Sleeper has
-awakened!!✨✨🔵🔵🟦🟦🔚🔚🔚🔚
FYI; "Fear" is his cat's name.
Even easier
Be like me. which means..... Be like Dexter Morgan.
This movie blew my mind as a kid in the 90's
It blew me away as an adult.
Same for both comments
Exactly!!! However it holds up as an adaptation it was a worthy introduction to Herbert's groundbreaking (lliterally in the narrative - hrr!!!) exercise in world building in the science fiction genre You didnt forget the imagery or scenes in a hurry.
Yep, I was mesmerised by this move. Also was a little lost but I still loved it
@@KudaKwashe I loved the "getting lost"!
Everybody wants to focus on what this film got wrong without acknowledging how much it got right. I think the casting was great. The sound and music are incredible. The use of interior monologues is always risky, but were used to great effect here. The visuals were as good as they could have been. I think anyone who re-watched the film a few times understood the plot without difficulty. Despite the fact that the corporate powers kept interfering with the films direction, Lynch still made a good film. Frank Herbert liking the film is really the only blessing that was needed.
Well said.
You're right about the casting. I think Leto, Jessica, the Baron (acne free), the Emperor, Irulan, the Reverend Mother, Yueh, Duncan Idaho, Gurney, Chani, and Rabban were spot-on. Even Sting as Feyd-Rautha was a solid choice. The music and inner dialogue worked well. I complained in my post the real problem was Lynch's adding weird stuff, cosmetics, and not sticking closer to the book throughout hurt his adaptation.
100% agreement. This has been my favorite film by a mile for decades. The visuals were across the board incredible, the casting couldn't have been better, and the soundtrack was second to none.
@@Thunderflare99 The thing about Lynch's "weird adaptations" is that he HAD TO do them to keep the time down or because there is no other way.
- Giedi Prime is a thoroughly "Ancient Rome" but dictatorial/oppressing setting ... but you cant explain that within five minutes and thus he went with an "Artsy" way to EMOTIONALLY show the oppression and weirdness of the Baron
- the combat skill level of the Atreides/Sardaukar/Fremen is easily described in a book, but how do you SHOW these levels on screen? If it is simply one side that always wins ... it can also be due to PLOT ARMOR and not because it is actually "visible to the viewer"; just think about a Western, where the heroes "always hit" and the bad guys never kill a good guy. The sound-modules are a crutch to do exactly this ... but it is a less than ideal solution, because the Fremen are supposed to be THE SUPERIOR FIGHTERS on their own ... because Arrakis is tougher than Salusa Secundus.
With modern combat training there MIGHT BE a way to show the different levels of fighting ability ... maybe by letting each group use a different style of martial arts and then assigning them a "rock paper scissors" hierarchy of sorts, where the Judo attempt loses to the Karate strikes. Green-screen and wire-based fighting (as was used in the Matrix for example) would be completely inappropriate, because it isnt about superpowers and there would have to be LOTS of people fighting at the same level of skill.
Let us hope they shy away from the DANCE CHOREOGRAPHY of the throne room battle in the Last Jedi ... which is one of the most atrocious scenes ever, riddled with visual mistakes and logical holes.
@@Muck006 I appreciate that you took the time to debate some points. I understand what you're saying, but there are just blatant weird imagery things that were completely gratuitous and unnecessary in adapting the book to movie in Lynch's style. I agree that the "weirding way" is hard to depict on screen, and it was not described in any detail in the book. I think part of the problem with making the book into a movie is that the book is very dialogue-driven; Herbert wasn't very detail-oriented, but there is just enough to go on. Lynch did very well the inner dialogue.
LOL, I like the throne room scene in TLJ. I know there are people that have spent time slowing it down and tearing it apart, but I just watch it normal and enjoy it.
Nearly a failure but one that I have re-watched countless times over the years. You can't help but be drawn in and compelled by the world.
Even the sort TV series was excellent!
@@funkyfurballs1078 i was sold for like begining 4/5ths of the tv series but it felt totally wet noodle at the end.. All is well that ends well. Felt it didnt end well. But the ending was closer to the book ending ill give it that.
As a child the sets blew my mind!
There's a 3 hour fan edit that is amazing. It actually makes sense because it ties in a lot of deleted scenes to make a coherent story.
@@UteChewb On the tv series or the original movie?
I don't care what anyone says. I still think Lynch's Dune is a good movie.
Absolutely with you on this watched it so many times when growing up got nothing but love for this film. This is one of my all time favourites.
Me too! Watched it many times over and will continue to do so!
I agree, I watched it loads as a kid so maybe the nostalgia hits, but I still enjoy it
Me too . Also Hyped for the new Version .
Straight up!
I absolutely loved this film - a real 'WTF' moment for me. I loaned the VHS tape several times from my local video library. The story was so 'far out' - it's what true science fiction is meant to be. I may try and read the book one day.
You forgot to mention the soundtrack that makes the overall feeling of the movie somewhat different.
By Toto, I liked it.
We're not in Kansas anymore Toto
This movie is like lady gaga, either you like it, or you hate it.
They created a unique sound environment for each of the three planets. When you arrive at Harkonnen it's very scary as if you're in the realm of a black widow spider. I've seen very few movies that equalled what this did. Too bad many simply could not connect.
I thought the soundtrack was great. Created a great and unique feel. Very immersive.
This was actually my favorite movie when I was a kid. I had always been a Star Wars fan, and I perceived Dune as Star Wars for grownups, like you talked about. It has its flaws and I was blown away when I finally read the novel (and later saw the miniseries), but this is still one of my favorite movies of all time.
I LOVED this movie!
Such a mysterious atmosphere!
Theres a "mood" Lynches film creates that is inherently Dune, coupled with Totos sound, its exquisite and haunting.. You can taste it..
You nailed it. Dune 2021 is a snoozer by comparison.
Absolutely! Lynchs movie may have it flaws but (as a big fan of the books) its way closer to the books and catches the mood perfectly while the new movie....yeah...its somehow just another new movie with lots of fancy effects camera work and stuff and totally off from the books.....it wasnt a bad movie but it wasnt a good movie either...
the brian eno song that is heard randomly throughout the film is an incredible piece of music
Absolutely, it has soul. They don't make movies like this anymore...
I agree. Lynch's Dune genuinely had an other-worldly feel to it.
The new Dune is just Hollywood doing what Hollywood does. Just feels like an epic on earth.
"Father, the sleeper has awakened!"
The penis has arisen
Intriguing. Have you "awakened" ? There was a message in that original line to the reader (of the original books) !!!!!
@@JamesSmith-mv9fp I'm quoting my favorite sci-fi movie and Paul's message is loud and clear. I don't need some pompous pedant trying to convince me how smart he is.
@@robertagren9360 😐
I've always loved this movie. I never had issues understanding the world or the plot even having never read the book.
I loved the movie at first, having never read the book before. The movie made me want to read the book and reading it made me hate the movie and Lynch and his work, for life.
So if you do like the movie and like David Lynch... don't read the book. That's my advice.
@@DDanV I read the book before seeing the film, yet I enjoyed the film a lot.
I had read the book and I just took this movie as an artistic representation of one person's take on how to tell or project the story as movie. The art direction and actors are pretty great so they are two different entities in my mind. If I want to turn someone onto Dune I'm not showing them the movie. Im giving them the book
@@DDanV That doesn't really make sense to me. How can reading the book ruin a movie you love? I love the movie and I love the book, I just see them as two entirely different representations of the same story (like almost any book that transitions to movie). Sure, Lynch's movie made shit up and took liberties but I think they had to in order to make it more appealing for the audience. You can tell he put a lot of love and effort into it (nothing disrespectful to the work at least). - Frank Herbert doesn't exactly write in a way that would allow for an easy transition to movie. 90% of the content of his books is inner monologue and the narrator describing things with very little action happening.
b/c you have an above average or higher IQ [in all probability]. you are in company.
Who’s here in 2024 after dune 2?
Yup. I’m one of them
Time-wise yes, I am… however I have yet to see the movie(although I am planning to)
After Düne the series
Yo
Dune 1984 is better!?
In spite of its shortcomings and mistakes, David Lynich nonetheless got a lot of things right.
Original-plot-interpreted mistakes and flaws*.
“.......and why; that’s a good thing!”
It's horrendous
he definetly gave the whole movie good vibes....creating a great atmosphere
I actually liked Dune, some people do, while some don't, that's not a problem, the new version seems to copy the old movie but everyone seems to love the new movies look, but it's copying the old movies tone look and story. I guess they think the story will be different but it probably won't and maybe the new version fixes the old versions flaws that others didn't enjoy except only a few fans.
The best part is when "Captain Picard" begs to kill Sting.
ATOMICS....
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There’s a cut scene when Gurney recites a poem after Duke Leto gives him a task. That was Stewart getting his Shakespeare on…
@@robertbusek30 I've seen it. Stewart really is a great actor.
@@erictaylor5462 Lynch, in my opinion, has a talent for finding great actors and pulling their best out of them. He does this a lot with Maclachlan.
And Villeneuve has succeeded! Finally someone has done it right!
Funny how beauty is in the eye of the beholder, for me its one of the best films ever made.
Straight!
Really?! Alright! Cool I think I'll check it out now btw in October a remake is coming out with people you know
@@travisbaker7547 it's not a remake
@@griffinmitchell3882 it came out in '85 it's comin' out now whata you want from me 💁🏻♀️
@@travisbaker7547 didn't mean to sound douchie just saying the new dune looks likes a more accurate adaption of book compared to the lynch version. So that's why I wouldn't call it a remake
There are certain scenes in this movie that are phenomenal. Paul teaching the Freman the weirding way, the arrival on Arrakis, the Spacing Guild visiting the Emperor, the final fight with Sting.
Mind you, the Weirding Way in the film is nothing like the books. In the books, it's a means of moving very quickly for tactical advantage. I do still like it, though.
"Get out of my mind!"
Who can forget that guy tripping when they brought the Guild rep to see the emperor?
Or, the Harkonen troops wearing black Chucks?
Sting was amazing in his role. Exactly what I'd pictured that character to be from the book. The villains were the best parts of the film.
@@timtheskeptic1147 hahaha
This movie is an absolute gem. I had read all the Dune books that were then available so was well versed in the story line. They covered all the main points that advanced the story. The book to script writing was excellent, the acting was top class all the way and the special effects were as good as could be for the time. I still watch this movie whenever it comes on the tv and it never fails to satisfy.
I love this movie. Also, how is folding space to travel less "technologically advanced' than actually having to move at warp/hyperdrive?
I think folding space is more mysterious and advanced!
Whatever can be achieved first is less technologically advanced.
The effects were, or appeared, less technically advanced. Frankly, the shot shown, of all the ships "loading" into the carrier, was not well explained in the film and the carrier looked like a matte painting from the 1950s, it had no presence on the screen, no feel, no bulk. It looked flat and it made the scene flat.
Because it’s predicated on a mystical/psychic foundation. The Guild Navigators are the ones dong the folding and transporting, not the ships themselves.
@@ShaunHensley So a lunar landing and dual flyby of Jupiter were less advanced than the Shuttle.
What I find hilarious is that I was 14 at the time, had never even heard of the books at that point, and I had absolutely no problem understanding the movie. It seems like maybe the "adults" of the 80's aren't as bright as they thought they were.
Same, i was a kid when i watched this movie, had no problem understanding the plot and loved it. It was a gateway to the novels and everything Dune. Still one of my favorite movies.
good movie i don't get how people became confused of the plot but, it was amazing and hope to see it again.
same love this film.
it was the lead in the gas, you didnt have enough time inhaling it before it was banned
Fourteen year olds are kind of dumb. They don’t require complexity. The film was overly-simplistic. Perfect match for you.
It‘s one of the most rewatchable movies of all time.
I have seen it 25 times at least.
It is one of the few movies that I actually bought a dvd.
You misspelled unwatchable.
If you love a laugh...
@@RideAcrossTheRiver my sympathies
A cult classic that made me understand the meaning of that expression. I must have watched it a dozen times at least.
I watched this movie in the cinema when I was eight years old and I understood everything perfectly, years later I read the books and started to like it even more, the movie is amazing. I love this movie, I love the Frank Herbert novel it was based on, and I don't give a damn what critics think or say. "The sleeper must awaken", lol.
"He who rules the spice, rules the Universe."
Same. I was a kid when I saw it and understood it fine. The trick is simply to pay attention to the couple of infodumps at the start of the movie.
Hmm. I read the book as a ~18 kid and loved it. Never watched the movie because everybody said it sucked, though when I think about it I never knew anybody that had seen it. Now I'm thinking I'm going to watch it this weekend.
@@codediporpal it is actually very good. Everything was well done with the exception of the Sandworms. But the sets, and layouts. The costumes, the designes, are all extraordinary for the time. The lack of a high standard of quality on the worms. It is still a phenomenal effort at rendering Herberts magnificent work on film. So much so that@ I watched this scifi opus a minimum of one hundred times. Denis interpretation needs three films, at least, to bring Herberts genius to life. Cheers!
Same. The movie is amazing, the books even better.
Francesca Annis as Jessica was probably on e of the best castings of all times, as well as Sian Phillips' portrayal of RM Mohiam
One gorgeous chick.
Yes to that!
Isn't she, so beautiful,, Francesca..back then, haven't seen her in much for years, Dec. 2020..
yeah Sian Phillips, wife of.. someone they have probably heard of. I assume he means famous to younger American audiences. I applaud his script, elsewhere: written by Ben Cantler
Phillips played Smiley's wife opposite Alec Guinness -- RIP John le Carre
Yes but Kenneth McMillan's turn as Baron Harkonnen was even more memorable.
When i was a kid around 4 years old, this was my Frozen. I would just watch it on repeat for hours lol
Have you read the book?
@@TheKrackalack Many times.
@@TheKrackalack The best novel ever written. All fiction is a story about what it means to be human. Nothing gives as much depth of the human experience as Frank Herbert's Dune series. He discusses issues which are universal to the human experience and will remain relevant for all time.
He explores the most fundamental aspect of all life: scarcity. The books extrapolate a plausible future of interstellar human societies by projecting present technology and fundamental human drives over tens of thousands of millennia.
He uses his deep understanding of current day politics, language, and history to build a world with more depth than any other yet conceived. He explores the inevitable conflicts which AI will yield for mankind. Almost no aspect of humanity or technology is left untouched: genetic engineering, religion, war, economics, ecology, resource competition, energy, evolution, chemistry, biology, space travel.
And the through-line of it all (the first book anyway) is Paul. His story is the tale of a boy's transition into manhood. As a boy, Paul must endure trials to become a man -- each more harrowing than the last. We witness Paul as he masters his own animal nature by resisting the urges of the flesh in deference to his own will. As Paul's experience of life grows, his relationship to his family and his history evolves. In short order he becomes a ruthless warrior in service to freeing mankind from the depredations of corporate and Imperial greed which manipulates the supply of the most valuable substance in the known universe: the spice.
The Spice controls most of the motivation of the humans in Dune in the same way that oil controls the humans in our time. It's not a coincidence that the Spice is under the sands of a desert planet. Herbert doesn't bother to hide that analogy -- he wants you to know that's his intent. He heavily sprinkles Arabic terms for names of items and events on Arrakis. The novel is the first time I ever saw the word Jihad in print -- and I'm not sure I had ever even heard of it at that time (in the early 80s).
Dune is one of the top 5 books that changed how I view my world. It described perfectly the manner in which I viewed the events I was experiencing in my life as Paul experienced his own. I was around the age of Paul when Dune begins. I had come to conclusions about life which most boys my age don't discover until much later. As I read Dune, it was like Herbert's understanding was parallel to my own.
We both understood that it often takes severe circumstances to provoke a person to become the best version of themselves. Herbert called it, "The Agony" as a metaphor. I understood his premise well. Too well. I was born with a mind which outstripped anyone's ability to moderate it -- least of all me. At a young age I understood that one day I was going to die -- to cease to exist. That knowledge has been a constant companion. I never had the luxury of most young men -- to believe that they're immortal.
As time passed, there were many agonies along the way. Some of them were more harsh than most people could cope with -- and I didn't cope with them well myself until I made the decision to fight. It was in those years the the words of Fight Club, years hence, would succinctly put the lessons I learned the hard way: "Until you lose everything, you're not free to do anything." My lowest point was when I thought I was going to be legitimately murdered by classmates (they called my house anonymously and assured me and my parents of their designs).
It's now 30-odd years since those days. I solved that problem and many more. I still remain. I have a success of sorts -- my life is better than my early plans but now my plans are for more.
Dune is a book which every young man should read. It might give some of them a better understanding of life and what it means to endure life's various agonies.
I've watched last starfighter and dune along with star wars when I was a kid in 80s 90s . That was a prime time for sci Fi movies . This one still watch over and over.
rubbish! 56 to 68 that was prime time for si-fi films. last starfighter, dune and star wars are just childish fantasy films! they even star children.
Last starfighter is one of the most fun movies I've seen. Right up there with dune
@@thewizzard3150 There were plenty of stinkers from that era too: "Invasion of the Star Creatures", "Last Woman on Earth", "Night Caller from Outer Space". Also some very good ones: "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea", "The Time Machine", "Planet of the Apes"
@@luisderivas6005 you missed the worst one. Plan 9 from outer space, but the point is prime time was was not 80 thru 90's.
I'm a major Star Wars fan and I love DUNE. The brilliance of the 80's is that we had all of these things to dig!
I saw both in-theatre! So sorry I missed 1982 _Blade Runner._
Star Wars was mainstream. The Dune series of books by Frank Herbert was aimed at Science Fiction Fans and contained some important warnings and messages to the reader, particularly the warning about the current Human insane pursuit of A.I.
Dune doesn't have anything on Star Wars tho
@@benjackman4814 It's not expected to
Agreed. I would have loved to have watched Baron Harkonnen's huge home and business HQ on Geidi Prime get destroyed by Duke Leto Atreides as the equivalent of an exploding Death Star. OTOH just to watch a weight-challenged bully like Baron Harkonnen get killed by a little girl and her needle weapon was worth waiting for: