What I love the most is how open they genuinely are to LGBTQIA+. Soyeon herself said she was attracted to women (specifically rapper Grazy Grace) back in 2016 on a show called Unpretty Rapstar. She has worn a lot of pride clothing, even in her second single MV Idle Song she's wearing a very rare bi pride hoody. She's openly said about Oh My God that she supports 'all forms of love' and hates 'all kinds of prejudice.' Shuhua has openly encouraged her fans to love people of the same sex when asked by fans who haven't come out what they should do, on many occasions. Miyeon, Yuqi, Minnie and Soojin haven't done or said anything openly saying they're queer, but they've all shown support for LGBTQIA+ people.
I would add that Miyeon has worn pride nails for at least 2 separate pride months (for example, one year she wore the Burberry nails.) And can we mention that Minnie, Miyeon and Shuhua have all worn "I ❤ Gurls" tops in the last couple of months 😁
@@nizzahr yeah, I nearly mentioned that, though it could just be a rainbow. I don't know if she's ever said (or been able to say) what it represents for her.
Soojin has also done work with House of Love, the same queer-owned choreography studio behind the dancing for Solar's Colors and ChungHa's I'm Ready and Stay Tonight
Just to clear up since it was one of the first comments made by you guys: Soyeon is the leader of the group, she is still an active role. Soojin (the one with the blond hair) is the one who had left the group after accusations of bullying (from middle school, the other members have shown their support for her since her departure). She is now a solo artist.
Also "Dahlia" which is written by Minnie, is about falling in love with a flower knowing it's wrong but she can't help it cause it's so beautiful and she's keep falling deeper. My fav lesbian anthem so far. Idle may be one of the most queer supportive groups. There were even rumors that there was a couple in the group lol
wanst there a song soyeon wrote that she said, "i wrote for someone i fell in love with" or something along those lines.. while saying years later she wrote it for Yuqi? i remember something like this
@@Brainreaver79 omg yes its called "Give Me Your" in 2021 Soyeon said that she wrote this song after falling in love also when the song was first released she said that it was aimed to Yuqi, she has a crush on her lmao😭
what i think about the mud part in the video is that Soyeon (the first who appears covered in mud) seems to have fully accepted and made peace with her "sins" and is happy being in this so called "hell", even enjoying it. While Minnie also fell for the "sin", but couldn't accept herself in the end, and that's why she seems more uncomfortable and even "done" in the mud. But that's just my take on it i could be completely wrong here 😂 For other recommendations for Idle i honestly would tell you to listen to everything cuz their discography is impeccable and never misses, the Killing Voice could prove you a little bit of that. As for MVs: Hann (alone), Lion, Hwaa, Señorita, Allergy (it was a pre realease for Queencard and it's the first part of the story), Tomboy, MY BAG (performance video) and last but not least Revenge, this last one lives in my mind rent free. It's a shame Soojin was kicked out of the group cause their company sucks, she is still loved by most neverlands and the girls too, they always reference her in their MVs, she is a soloist now at least, that makes our hearts a little bit warm.
for me i read it as minnie unalived herself to try and escape from her “temptations” something that’s sadly true for a lot of queer youth still, and so she ended up in hell with soyeon because while trying to escape her sin she committed an even worse one. the message is basically (in my interpretation) “if you’re going to hell, might as well live your life and trust your heart” this mini album is called trust and is all about self belief.
The video uses a lot of angel/devil symbolism. The mud part is definitely hell. The white room could be "limbo." They themselves have said that Soojin is they "devil" seducing them "the angels". There are a lot of comments on the video of people giving their interpretations, which are quite good. Also, the dance, let's just say there is some touching 🍒
I really recommend listening to FREAK by Yuqi (she's from this group, shown at 2:43 in your reaction)! It's a little more lighthearted than this, but she released that song (I think very intentionally) during lesbian visibility week. The song is very cute and the video is really fun, especially if you like slasher films :)
We start the music video with minnie being dragged in a white space that looks clinical and devoid of color, then quite literally CRAWLING to a passageway in the wall that leads into the next scene which is starkly in contrast to the white and full of so much color. like night and day. then the beat kicks in, and finally an almost royal ethereal-looking yuqi appears. everything looks full and so lively. it’s minnie yearning to be in a world full of color which this girl who ‘showed her all the stars’ gave to her. her wanting to fall deeper into this love that’s so colorful. it’s basically a fantasy. she clearly wants nothing more than to get out of this white stained clean almost hospital-like place. running from these guard looking figures with black handprints and black splatter all over them. i think these guards/figures are supposed to represent society, and this white space is supposed to respect a mental hospital. being queer used to be seen as a mental illness, and usually being out in society can sometimes feels like you have some kind of sickness or something deadly wrong with you that needs to be purified. but clearly the guards/figure are the ones with black handprints splattered on their plain white outfits, and minnie is in pure white. they’re the ones who are de purifying her. and in the end minnie is corrupted BY the guards/figures. the whole music video minnie is shown in this room going crazy trying to get away from these figures, stuck in this white room/prison. but if you pay attention, about a quarter of the way through, she takes her fingers and makes a gun motion and shoots herself. bang. a few seconds later you can see her leaking blood on the floor and another few seconds a clip shows her with bloody nose. i think her character arc in the music video is supposed to show that too much repression can sully a person, and make them so alone the only way they could think of getting out is killing themselves. and that she could never truly accept herself, and was left in the mud, the same place she was trying to save herself from, the same place the people in white spent the whole music video trying to drag her away from. after a clip of minnie in the white room, then we get soyeons rap, which is i think, a difference between someone stuck trying to repress themselves(minnie) and someone who is embracing themself and saying they’re fine with sin if they get to be together with the one they love(soyeon). they’re meant to represent the different sides of the same coin. remember, the only two members who were ever in that white room and the only members who started out in that white room were soyeon and minnie. one got out, one stayed in, they both ended in the same exact place, and were again the only members in the mud/blood in the end. soyeon was smiling and smearing it on herself, minnie was stuck trying to escape and hating herself for it. here are a few lyrics from the rap that i think describe minnie in that room, and soyeon remembering what it was like there in the beginning: “The self-control and moderation you gave me “Have torn into pieces in the dark black hole” “It's unable to control, like sugar-coated drugs” i think that says it all😭😭 that’s just my interpretation, many people have many different interpretations and ideas, but i think even that this music video was even made and that soyeon fought for it makes me so proud no matter what the real truth is. the video was so incredibly intentional that i can’t believe anything other than that the meaning was intentional, too. especially when soyeon said this in an interview about why she was so set on the ‘she’ pronouns: “I just write what's on my mind. i didn't want to limit that 'she' to a certain being or a certain definition, so it's open to anything. all kinds of love are valuable and must be respected.” gonna shed a tear my queen knows her core audience 🥹😭🥲 i was a bit confused about the red and the implication of hell in the end, but when you actually look into how korean society sees and operates around lesbians you understand. it’s a completely different culture around it and this video was made years ago when it was even worse. just a year earlier gidle got into a controversy where they were ridiculed by knetizens(knetizens is what they call korean citizens that are the main fanbase for all kpop and not specific fandoms. so basically just all of korea) for kissing each other on stage after winning an award. they got in hot shit for just kissing each other on the cheek as a celebration and this song was released a year later. coincidental? maybe? maybe not, but worth mentioning!! but that’s just to say it’s pretty bad and the fact this video came out is crazy as there’s a big don’t ever speak about it just will it away culture.korea is pretty conservative and even the mention of it is pretty taboo. even though it’s slowly getting better especially in recent years and i’m glad idols have gotten a lot more comfortable, they couldn’t have become comfortable without the generation of kpop idols who spoke out and really took risky steps for lgbtq+ people in korea. the first ones that come to mind are sistar and GLAM, park jungmin, song ji eun, K.Will, and of course Holland!!! and all the other kpop idols and popular actors and shows that took steps to normalize it and especially HUMANIZE IT. and that’s just half the fight. a lot of what kpop idols and actors do don’t translate into regular living. it’s just art and special cases. it’s the same with the clothes they wear and almost everything else. i did a bit of research of what it’s like to be a lesbian in korea, and the general consensus is that it’s extremely hard, one quora user said: “People point, stare, laugh, and whisper. Moms will shield their children's eyes and the elderly will shake their heads in contempt. Churchgoers approaching us and: Beginning to pray Telling us we're going to hell Shouting at us Hitting us with their Bible (true story) Schoolgirls taking photos of us to "show their friends later” Street vendors refusing to sell food to us Mothers telling their children "study hard or you'll become a homo" It's bad enough that my family disowned me for dating a woman (which is a common occurrence by the way), I don't need my entire country to treat me like I'm diseased.” (this was an anonymous poster, she should be the first post that pops up when you search “what is it like to be a lesbian in korea” on google. this is just the one i picked because i thought her wording was beautiful. she seems like a wonderful soul.) i think that’s all!! i only focused on two characters gidle showed in the music video but there’s so much more nitty gritty about this music video that i could literally interpret it in like five different ways for hours. these two were just the first to stand out ❤️❤️ goddamn. im sorry for the fucking essay this is my first day taking adhd meds💋❤️😭 i’m obviously having trouble figuring out when to stop. love the vid
Idle continues to push the boundaries of kpop with the very strict and controlled nature of how it usually is, the industry would genuinely be a much worse and more toxic environment than it already is
Many people say that the mud part is some form of hell, which I can easily believe, but I think it might also be a symbolism for the womb, and being reborn or something like that? Being cleaned from your sins and "restarting"? That was my first thought when I saw this MV for the first time!
I mean this is Korea, people out here homophobic as fck. So when they find out abt Minnie’s character it is like she stepped out devils road. Also may be considered as a dirty human being which is touched by satan.
Welcome to Neverland! The story of (G)i-dle (feel free to say the 'g;' the group often does, especially in the West), is lengthy and involved, so too much for a quick comment. But I will say that the (G)i-dle story in many ways revolves around the two members who kept coming up in your discussion, Soyeon and Soojin. 'Soyeon is a genius' is practically a cliche', and very true. (You may enjoy reacting to any of several behind-the-scenes videos of Soyeon in the producer's booth.) Soojin's forced departure hit the group like a bomb--as Soyeon unflinchingly shows us in a recent (G)i-dle MV. And Soojin's recent re-debut as a solo is virtually unprecedented for an idol tainted by scandal, a comeback facilitated by Soyeon's careful program to keep Soojin's name alive in the ranks of the fandom. Whew! So, I'm going to recommend next reacting to 'Lion,' which was the last (G)i-dle MV featuring Soojin, and 'Tomboy', which was the first MV after Soojin left. As for other groups to check out--and trust me on this--Mamamoo is a must. Mamamoo's style is vastly different from (G)i-dle's, but they share the characteristics of having non-typical origins and non-conformist attitudes. Just for fun fun fun, you might want to start at the most recent, with the solo MV (officially a 'performance' video) by Mamamoo member (and leader) Solar for her song 'Colors,' then head back in time to Mamamoo's breakthrough pop song 'Um Oh Ah Yeah.' Even more fun to be had! Cheers
@@JoakimFors Yikes! My bad. I tend to overlook Hwaa because I see Lion as more of a 'statement' by Soyeon, and Hwaa was released so shortly before the scandal broke. (If I'm not thinking carefully, that situation with 'Last Dance' throws me off, too.) I should give Hwaa its due, though, if only because the flower/fire imagery is one of those features that came to be associated with Soojin. Good catch!
...well, if you don't count the mv for last dance that Soojin is technically in for a few brief scenes of group dances but other than that was cut out. I understand that you forgot it though, if I remember right, once on a vlive or something the members were talking about it and asked whose song it was because they didn't realize it was theirs lol
@@tocsla No problem, I'm just a bit protective over HWAA since it's my favorite song of theirs. 😅 Don't really count Last Dance as she was edited out... though there is a non-edited version floating around IIRC.
I was really excited to hear your thoughts on OMG ❤ and you didn't disappoint 🤭 thank you from an ally for the insights of daily queer life. Reacting to the k!lling voice is a must :D you get snippets of a lot of songs and a general feel for the girls and their voices
There have been precious few idols that have overtly come out as queer in this industry and almost all of them have stuffered for it, even losing their careers. This is to say: They can’t really say they are queer. But you look at a song like this which has such strong symbolism in it’s lyrics and music video and you must conclude that at least one of the members has some type of familiarity with the queer community. For other groups that have queer themes I recommend Mamamoo’s Moonbyul and Solar and OnlyOneOf. For Moonbyul she has a song called Shut Down and Solar just recently released a song called Colors. Those two are the most overtly queer. For OnlyOneOf their entire Be series. As far as openly queer idols go, the only one that could probably be considered well known is Holland. But there are more! I just can’t recall them off the top of my head. I’m sure there are many other closeted idols, it’s the entertainment industry afterall. And many idols have shared their support of the community to varying degrees of overtness.
At least one member of Dreamcatcher has openly stated that she likes all hard-working people as her type. The interviewer said 'hard-working men' and Yoohyeon corrected them, repeating 'People. All hard-working people.' Dreamcatcher have consistently shown support for the LGBTQ+ community with buttons and clothing, the same way that has been pointed out from members of (G)I-DLE.
Soyeon is SO involved in every aspect of their work. Except for their English EP "Heat", she has written all their title tracks and the majority of their songs. She also produces most of their songs, comes up with the concepts, and is involved in pretty much everything down to nail design. Minnie and Yuqi also write and produce, and Miyeon wrote her first lyrics for the group on the last album. The group as a whole contributes to the creative direction. I think you picked up a lot of the messaging in the mv, though i have seen several interpretations of the mv. I think there was some religious imagery you missed, but you picked up on more than most 😊 It's definitely worth checking out their English language version of the song - I don't think it's quite a good, but it is more explicit. There are quite a few other good LBGT+ songs/MVs out there. Mamamoo have probably been the highest profile allies. If you don't know "Shutdown" by Moonbyul ft Seori, you really need to check it out, and Solar just released the "Colours" performance video with IMO the best representation of gay ballroom culture in a k-pop video to date.
you guys got good meaning , oh my god is based off soeyon (the leader) is a temptress and you see her tempting all of them and they are trying to fight it until in the end , minnie she finally gives in
Your views on this were really interesting, thank you for the reaction! There are lots of interpertations of the MV, Soojin in the behind the scenes said that her role was to 'seduce the girls' so people think she's protraying like a demon that is tempting them. The angels, demons, purgatory, heaven and hell theory is popular. I think being able to make your own based on your own views is the best though. As a queer person I was really surprised something like this excisted in kpop since I didn't know much about it before I got into Gidle. Just for clarification, the lyrics you were reading yourself are the lyrics of the English version they released. It is not a direct translation of the Korean song , since there are some differences. The subtitles with the names included in the MV are actually a really decent translation. If you knew that already my bad haha.
"I Kissed a Girl” is written for the attention, publicity, and the male gaze while “Oh My God” is written for the gays and it being released as a title track could have potentially killed their career.
I think they're an Ally but since they're on of the most controversial idol since they got debut (literary knetz throw all the hate from idle from they one since they're like overshadowing the big 4 company of Korea, thats why they can't pick up or show support to lgbtq community)(but one of the member named Shuhua was still continue to support LGBTQ fans even their company force them not to)
For more queer kpop recs: obviously MAMAMOO's Moonbyul - Shut down, Solar - Colors, and ONLYONEOF(boy group) - BE series of 6 solo MVs from members. Shut down lyrics are kinda... spicy :) And ONLYONEOF solos very much recommended in order(since they're connected)
my other comment glitched out, too many words or too many times i edited it, i’m not sure. didn’t mean to totally overrun the comment section with two huge paragraphs. ❤️❤️
Soojin wasn't kicked out by her company at all.after the fake scandal Soojin herself left the contract and left the group for safety and existence of the group.she didn't wanted her members got criticised by people so she willingly left the group for no harm to the group😢
I appreciate how you both have taken to I-Dle like a duck to water. However I will say this, I hate when people premise their songs with interpretations like 'it's an LGBT anthem", as it leaves no room for any other interpretation. As a reactor, I think you should be allowed to make your own interpretation of lyrics and music, not be forced into hearing it with preconceived expectations. I-dle have MULTIPLE interpretations of their songs, lyrics, and visuals. Personally, I'd enjoy hearing your take on it before being forced to expect some kind of message or agenda. Soyeon officially spoke about this during an interview, she wanted to break the preconceived notion of 'he' and 'she' in lyrics. Some people are pushing their own interpretation as bliblical fact.
What I love the most is how open they genuinely are to LGBTQIA+. Soyeon herself said she was attracted to women (specifically rapper Grazy Grace) back in 2016 on a show called Unpretty Rapstar. She has worn a lot of pride clothing, even in her second single MV Idle Song she's wearing a very rare bi pride hoody. She's openly said about Oh My God that she supports 'all forms of love' and hates 'all kinds of prejudice.' Shuhua has openly encouraged her fans to love people of the same sex when asked by fans who haven't come out what they should do, on many occasions. Miyeon, Yuqi, Minnie and Soojin haven't done or said anything openly saying they're queer, but they've all shown support for LGBTQIA+ people.
I would add that Miyeon has worn pride nails for at least 2 separate pride months (for example, one year she wore the Burberry nails.) And can we mention that Minnie, Miyeon and Shuhua have all worn "I ❤ Gurls" tops in the last couple of months 😁
Soojin has a rainbow tattoo on her wrist that she openly shows especially in concept photos for her solo work which I think is pretty bold
@@nizzahr yeah, I nearly mentioned that, though it could just be a rainbow. I don't know if she's ever said (or been able to say) what it represents for her.
Aww this is so awesome!!
Soojin has also done work with House of Love, the same queer-owned choreography studio behind the dancing for Solar's Colors and ChungHa's I'm Ready and Stay Tonight
Just to clear up since it was one of the first comments made by you guys:
Soyeon is the leader of the group, she is still an active role.
Soojin (the one with the blond hair) is the one who had left the group after accusations of bullying (from middle school, the other members have shown their support for her since her departure). She is now a solo artist.
Also "Dahlia" which is written by Minnie, is about falling in love with a flower knowing it's wrong but she can't help it cause it's so beautiful and she's keep falling deeper. My fav lesbian anthem so far. Idle may be one of the most queer supportive groups. There were even rumors that there was a couple in the group lol
wanst there a song soyeon wrote that she said, "i wrote for someone i fell in love with" or something along those lines.. while saying years later she wrote it for Yuqi?
i remember something like this
@@Brainreaver79 omg yes its called "Give Me Your" in 2021 Soyeon said that she wrote this song after falling in love also when the song was first released she said that it was aimed to Yuqi, she has a crush on her lmao😭
what i think about the mud part in the video is that Soyeon (the first who appears covered in mud) seems to have fully accepted and made peace with her "sins" and is happy being in this so called "hell", even enjoying it. While Minnie also fell for the "sin", but couldn't accept herself in the end, and that's why she seems more uncomfortable and even "done" in the mud. But that's just my take on it i could be completely wrong here 😂
For other recommendations for Idle i honestly would tell you to listen to everything cuz their discography is impeccable and never misses, the Killing Voice could prove you a little bit of that. As for MVs: Hann (alone), Lion, Hwaa, Señorita, Allergy (it was a pre realease for Queencard and it's the first part of the story), Tomboy, MY BAG (performance video) and last but not least Revenge, this last one lives in my mind rent free.
It's a shame Soojin was kicked out of the group cause their company sucks, she is still loved by most neverlands and the girls too, they always reference her in their MVs, she is a soloist now at least, that makes our hearts a little bit warm.
Also, Soojin just released her second album, like not even a week ago.
That interpretation makes a lot of sense to us!! Thank you for the recs!
for me i read it as minnie unalived herself to try and escape from her “temptations” something that’s sadly true for a lot of queer youth still, and so she ended up in hell with soyeon because while trying to escape her sin she committed an even worse one. the message is basically (in my interpretation) “if you’re going to hell, might as well live your life and trust your heart” this mini album is called trust and is all about self belief.
The video uses a lot of angel/devil symbolism. The mud part is definitely hell. The white room could be "limbo." They themselves have said that Soojin is they "devil" seducing them "the angels". There are a lot of comments on the video of people giving their interpretations, which are quite good.
Also, the dance, let's just say there is some touching 🍒
I really recommend listening to FREAK by Yuqi (she's from this group, shown at 2:43 in your reaction)! It's a little more lighthearted than this, but she released that song (I think very intentionally) during lesbian visibility week. The song is very cute and the video is really fun, especially if you like slasher films :)
14:00 actually it’s major rebirth imagery!!!
We start the music video with minnie being dragged in a white space that looks clinical and devoid of color, then quite literally CRAWLING to a passageway in the wall that leads into the next scene which is starkly in contrast to the white and full of so much color. like night and day. then the beat kicks in, and finally an almost royal ethereal-looking yuqi appears. everything looks full and so lively. it’s minnie yearning to be in a world full of color which this girl who ‘showed her all the stars’ gave to her. her wanting to fall deeper into this love that’s so colorful. it’s basically a fantasy. she clearly wants nothing more than to get out of this white stained clean almost hospital-like place. running from these guard looking figures with black handprints and black splatter all over them. i think these guards/figures are supposed to represent society, and this white space is supposed to respect a mental hospital. being queer used to be seen as a mental illness, and usually being out in society can sometimes feels like you have some kind of sickness or something deadly wrong with you that needs to be purified. but clearly the guards/figure are the ones with black handprints splattered on their plain white outfits, and minnie is in pure white. they’re the ones who are de purifying her. and in the end minnie is corrupted BY the guards/figures. the whole music video minnie is shown in this room going crazy trying to get away from these figures, stuck in this white room/prison. but if you pay attention, about a quarter of the way through, she takes her fingers and makes a gun motion and shoots herself. bang. a few seconds later you can see her leaking blood on the floor and another few seconds a clip shows her with bloody nose. i think her character arc in the music video is supposed to show that too much repression can sully a person, and make them so alone the only way they could think of getting out is killing themselves. and that she could never truly accept herself, and was left in the mud, the same place she was trying to save herself from, the same place the people in white spent the whole music video trying to drag her away from.
after a clip of minnie in the white room, then we get soyeons rap, which is i think, a difference between someone stuck trying to repress themselves(minnie) and someone who is embracing themself and saying they’re fine with sin if they get to be together with the one they love(soyeon).
they’re meant to represent the different sides of the same coin.
remember, the only two members who were ever in that white room and the only members who started out in that white room were soyeon and minnie. one got out, one stayed in, they both ended in the same exact place, and were again the only members in the mud/blood in the end. soyeon was smiling and smearing it on herself, minnie was stuck trying to escape and hating herself for it. here are a few lyrics from the rap that i think describe minnie in that room, and soyeon remembering what it was like there in the beginning:
“The self-control and moderation you gave me
“Have torn into pieces in the dark black hole”
“It's unable to control, like sugar-coated drugs”
i think that says it all😭😭 that’s just my interpretation, many people have many different interpretations and ideas, but i think even that this music video was even made and that soyeon fought for it makes me so proud no matter what the real truth is. the video was so incredibly intentional that i can’t believe anything other than that the meaning was intentional, too. especially when soyeon said this in an interview about why she was so set on the ‘she’ pronouns:
“I just write what's on my mind.
i didn't want to limit that 'she' to a certain being or a certain definition, so it's open to anything.
all kinds of love are valuable and must be respected.”
gonna shed a tear my queen knows her core audience 🥹😭🥲
i was a bit confused about the red and the implication of hell in the end, but when you actually look into how korean society sees and operates around lesbians you understand. it’s a completely different culture around it and this video was made years ago when it was even worse. just a year earlier gidle got into a controversy where they were ridiculed by knetizens(knetizens is what they call korean citizens that are the main fanbase for all kpop and not specific fandoms. so basically just all of korea) for kissing each other on stage after winning an award. they got in hot shit for just kissing each other on the cheek as a celebration and this song was released a year later. coincidental? maybe? maybe not, but worth mentioning!! but that’s just to say it’s pretty bad and the fact this video came out is crazy as there’s a big don’t ever speak about it just will it away culture.korea is pretty conservative and even the mention of it is pretty taboo. even though it’s slowly getting better especially in recent years and i’m glad idols have gotten a lot more comfortable, they couldn’t have become comfortable without the generation of kpop idols who spoke out and really took risky steps for lgbtq+ people in korea. the first ones that come to mind are sistar and GLAM, park jungmin, song ji eun, K.Will, and of course Holland!!! and all the other kpop idols and popular actors and shows that took steps to normalize it and especially HUMANIZE IT. and that’s just half the fight. a lot of what kpop idols and actors do don’t translate into regular living. it’s just art and special cases. it’s the same with the clothes they wear and almost everything else.
i did a bit of research of what it’s like to be a lesbian in korea, and the general consensus is that it’s extremely hard, one quora user said:
“People point, stare, laugh, and whisper. Moms will shield their children's eyes and the elderly will shake their heads in contempt.
Churchgoers approaching us and:
Beginning to pray
Telling us we're going to hell
Shouting at us
Hitting us with their Bible (true story)
Schoolgirls taking photos of us to "show their friends later”
Street vendors refusing to sell food to us
Mothers telling their children "study hard or you'll become a homo"
It's bad enough that my family disowned me for dating a woman (which is a common occurrence by the way), I don't need my entire country to treat me like I'm diseased.”
(this was an anonymous poster, she should be the first post that pops up when you search “what is it like to be a lesbian in korea” on google. this is just the one i picked because i thought her wording was beautiful. she seems like a wonderful soul.)
i think that’s all!! i only focused on two characters gidle showed in the music video but there’s so much more nitty gritty about this music video that i could literally interpret it in like five different ways for hours. these two were just the first to stand out ❤️❤️
goddamn. im sorry for the fucking essay this is my first day taking adhd meds💋❤️😭 i’m obviously having trouble figuring out when to stop. love the vid
Idle continues to push the boundaries of kpop with the very strict and controlled nature of how it usually is, the industry would genuinely be a much worse and more toxic environment than it already is
Many people say that the mud part is some form of hell, which I can easily believe, but I think it might also be a symbolism for the womb, and being reborn or something like that? Being cleaned from your sins and "restarting"? That was my first thought when I saw this MV for the first time!
Some explanation abt Minnie and her outfit: I consider it is about how society sees you before and after you coming out.
I mean this is Korea, people out here homophobic as fck. So when they find out abt Minnie’s character it is like she stepped out devils road. Also may be considered as a dirty human being which is touched by satan.
Welcome to Neverland! The story of (G)i-dle (feel free to say the 'g;' the group often does, especially in the West), is lengthy and involved, so too much for a quick comment. But I will say that the (G)i-dle story in many ways revolves around the two members who kept coming up in your discussion, Soyeon and Soojin. 'Soyeon is a genius' is practically a cliche', and very true. (You may enjoy reacting to any of several behind-the-scenes videos of Soyeon in the producer's booth.) Soojin's forced departure hit the group like a bomb--as Soyeon unflinchingly shows us in a recent (G)i-dle MV. And Soojin's recent re-debut as a solo is virtually unprecedented for an idol tainted by scandal, a comeback facilitated by Soyeon's careful program to keep Soojin's name alive in the ranks of the fandom. Whew! So, I'm going to recommend next reacting to 'Lion,' which was the last (G)i-dle MV featuring Soojin, and 'Tomboy', which was the first MV after Soojin left. As for other groups to check out--and trust me on this--Mamamoo is a must. Mamamoo's style is vastly different from (G)i-dle's, but they share the characteristics of having non-typical origins and non-conformist attitudes. Just for fun fun fun, you might want to start at the most recent, with the solo MV (officially a 'performance' video) by Mamamoo member (and leader) Solar for her song 'Colors,' then head back in time to Mamamoo's breakthrough pop song 'Um Oh Ah Yeah.' Even more fun to be had! Cheers
It sounds like Soyeon is a powerhouse! Very sweet that she helped her
HWAA was the last MV with SOOJIN.
@@JoakimFors Yikes! My bad. I tend to overlook Hwaa because I see Lion as more of a 'statement' by Soyeon, and Hwaa was released so shortly before the scandal broke. (If I'm not thinking carefully, that situation with 'Last Dance' throws me off, too.) I should give Hwaa its due, though, if only because the flower/fire imagery is one of those features that came to be associated with Soojin. Good catch!
...well, if you don't count the mv for last dance that Soojin is technically in for a few brief scenes of group dances but other than that was cut out. I understand that you forgot it though, if I remember right, once on a vlive or something the members were talking about it and asked whose song it was because they didn't realize it was theirs lol
@@tocsla No problem, I'm just a bit protective over HWAA since it's my favorite song of theirs. 😅 Don't really count Last Dance as she was edited out... though there is a non-edited version floating around IIRC.
Its the blonde one Soojin left the group😢,not the rapper and leader of the group Soyeon
I was really excited to hear your thoughts on OMG ❤ and you didn't disappoint 🤭 thank you from an ally for the insights of daily queer life.
Reacting to the k!lling voice is a must :D you get snippets of a lot of songs and a general feel for the girls and their voices
There have been precious few idols that have overtly come out as queer in this industry and almost all of them have stuffered for it, even losing their careers. This is to say: They can’t really say they are queer. But you look at a song like this which has such strong symbolism in it’s lyrics and music video and you must conclude that at least one of the members has some type of familiarity with the queer community.
For other groups that have queer themes I recommend Mamamoo’s Moonbyul and Solar and OnlyOneOf. For Moonbyul she has a song called Shut Down and Solar just recently released a song called Colors. Those two are the most overtly queer. For OnlyOneOf their entire Be series.
As far as openly queer idols go, the only one that could probably be considered well known is Holland. But there are more! I just can’t recall them off the top of my head. I’m sure there are many other closeted idols, it’s the entertainment industry afterall. And many idols have shared their support of the community to varying degrees of overtness.
There is an openly bisexual female idol too! Her name is Jiae and she has a song called "Love is Love".
At least one member of Dreamcatcher has openly stated that she likes all hard-working people as her type. The interviewer said 'hard-working men' and Yoohyeon corrected them, repeating 'People. All hard-working people.' Dreamcatcher have consistently shown support for the LGBTQ+ community with buttons and clothing, the same way that has been pointed out from members of (G)I-DLE.
Former WA$$UP member, Jiae is also openly queer! She's bisexual and released an ep 2 years ago called 'Love is Love'
Your analysis is so perfect aaaaa
Thank you so much!
Soyeon is SO involved in every aspect of their work. Except for their English EP "Heat", she has written all their title tracks and the majority of their songs. She also produces most of their songs, comes up with the concepts, and is involved in pretty much everything down to nail design. Minnie and Yuqi also write and produce, and Miyeon wrote her first lyrics for the group on the last album. The group as a whole contributes to the creative direction.
I think you picked up a lot of the messaging in the mv, though i have seen several interpretations of the mv. I think there was some religious imagery you missed, but you picked up on more than most 😊 It's definitely worth checking out their English language version of the song - I don't think it's quite a good, but it is more explicit.
There are quite a few other good LBGT+ songs/MVs out there. Mamamoo have probably been the highest profile allies. If you don't know "Shutdown" by Moonbyul ft Seori, you really need to check it out, and Solar just released the "Colours" performance video with IMO the best representation of gay ballroom culture in a k-pop video to date.
oh yeah i was gonna say Shutdown i rlly love that song!
@@teapots_and well, it's Moobyul, so.....
you guys got good meaning , oh my god is based off soeyon (the leader) is a temptress and you see her tempting all of them and they are trying to fight it until in the end , minnie she finally gives in
i loved your guys reaction
Your views on this were really interesting, thank you for the reaction! There are lots of interpertations of the MV, Soojin in the behind the scenes said that her role was to 'seduce the girls' so people think she's protraying like a demon that is tempting them. The angels, demons, purgatory, heaven and hell theory is popular.
I think being able to make your own based on your own views is the best though. As a queer person I was really surprised something like this excisted in kpop since I didn't know much about it before I got into Gidle.
Just for clarification, the lyrics you were reading yourself are the lyrics of the English version they released. It is not a direct translation of the Korean song , since there are some differences. The subtitles with the names included in the MV are actually a really decent translation. If you knew that already my bad haha.
Basically K-pop's version of "I kissed a girl". The official English version is much more explicit than the Korean one by the way.
"I Kissed a Girl” is written for the attention, publicity, and the male gaze while “Oh My God” is written for the gays and it being released as a title track could have potentially killed their career.
lol the group will disband if Soyeon leaves. She practically formed the group.
(G)I-Dle push the limits because they (mostly Soyeon) write, compose and produced 95% of their songs, like this one.
(G)I-DLE 🌹❤️🔥🫶🔛🔝
Great reaction 😁👍
I would recommend "Tomboy", "Lion", "I want that" and "revenge".
I think they're an Ally but since they're on of the most controversial idol since they got debut (literary knetz throw all the hate from idle from they one since they're like overshadowing the big 4 company of Korea, thats why they can't pick up or show support to lgbtq community)(but one of the member named Shuhua was still continue to support LGBTQ fans even their company force them not to)
If you are diving into queer kpop, you need to see Moonbyul's "Shutdown"
You might enjoy Irene and Seulgi's Monster and Dreamcatcher's Some Love!
For more queer kpop recs: obviously MAMAMOO's Moonbyul - Shut down, Solar - Colors, and ONLYONEOF(boy group) - BE series of 6 solo MVs from members. Shut down lyrics are kinda... spicy :)
And ONLYONEOF solos very much recommended in order(since they're connected)
You should react to their song Lion
Lets do Lion and Tomboy next
You should react to shutdown by moonbyul ft seori!!
Can you react to KHAN - I'm Your Girl ?
If you hsve sny doubts, listen to the English version.
Soyeon did not leave group... it's Soojin.
Dreamcatcher ❤️🖤❤️🖤
my other comment glitched out, too many words or too many times i edited it, i’m not sure. didn’t mean to totally overrun the comment section with two huge paragraphs. ❤️❤️
i think youd enjoy want so bad and volcano by lee know and han of stray kids in terms of the queer subtext
Please react to moonbyul and seori Shutdown, ITS a lesbian anthem
Its Soojin who left the group or got kicked out as I like to say, not Soyeon
Soojin wasn't kicked out by her company at all.after the fake scandal Soojin herself left the contract and left the group for safety and existence of the group.she didn't wanted her members got criticised by people so she willingly left the group for no harm to the group😢
i recommend to u Lion
I appreciate how you both have taken to I-Dle like a duck to water. However I will say this, I hate when people premise their songs with interpretations like 'it's an LGBT anthem", as it leaves no room for any other interpretation. As a reactor, I think you should be allowed to make your own interpretation of lyrics and music, not be forced into hearing it with preconceived expectations. I-dle have MULTIPLE interpretations of their songs, lyrics, and visuals. Personally, I'd enjoy hearing your take on it before being forced to expect some kind of message or agenda.
Soyeon officially spoke about this during an interview, she wanted to break the preconceived notion of 'he' and 'she' in lyrics. Some people are pushing their own interpretation as bliblical fact.
if you listen english version its more obvious "GAY"
tomboy
Pause too much.
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