hearing someone wear terminator armor get stepped on by a titan just makes me think of a cartoony moment where a guy is walking along, gets crushed by something heavy and once that heavy thing is lifted there is just a perfectly shaped hole with him inside and he pops out completely fine
@@SWProductions100 lol! All dwarves are hard to kill, but the only notable "hard to kill" dwarf I(and I assume the rest of the community) know is Gotrek fucking Gurnisson.
Zero Recoil. Whatever movement is relevant is isnt from the Projectile as Missiles and Rockets dont use Rifleing to engage SPIN. But rather extending fins. The ONLY way to have recoil when firing a Rocket is if your doing it wrong.
@@TheBuster0926 I mean, infantry is using rocket launchers seemingly unbothered, in real life, so... yeah :D I was thinking that usually missiles are carried on actual vehicles, but it's because, well, it's heavy af xD
@@thetinyMonarch true, but that's mainly the kicker charge. Imagine a closed BM-21 like a sort of cannon, and the crazy recoil it would have during a full salvo, like a whole company of 122mm tank cannons firing at the same time lol.
@@Basedpilledandtradmaxxed Basically it's whether the tube is closed or open, right? Closed > the explosion/ignition of the round pushes the tube back. Open > the explosion/ignition pushes the air outside, like a firework, so almost no recoil force is applied to the tube.
Fun fact, the Iron Hands were largely responsible for the drafting of terminator tactical doctrine, so much so that Ferrus Manus took the earliest iterations of the Indomitus armor and made the Gorgon. The Iron Hands loved using terminator armor so much that every other legion was watching them and taking notes on how to use it in combat. Edit: I’m not talking about the 4th legion traitor Iron Warriors, I’m talking about the loyal 10th legion Iron HANDS.
@@iamyitanli Exactly my thoughts lol. I know this is from a while back but I watch these out of order and was thinking 'sheesh, Bricky sure gets sick a lot nowadays' and he sure talked up that vax.
Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: Bricky said ''I'll be back'' after coming down with the Sickness (again) Kirioth replaces the forehead entity known as ''Bricky'' and quickly becomes wetter than an otter's pocket when he looks at THICC Space Marines in THICC Power Armour. DK gets turned into a blanket after the Contekar Terminators asked him simply to guess the quote and Shy joins the Deathshroud Terminators so she can bring even more plagues to Bricky whenever he acts out of line.
We can only hope the local unofficial town crier for our lovely trio here, YOU synergy yes you! Can continue to spread the propaganda that Bricky is actually a THICC BRICC forehead chaos God.
the thing with Terminator armor getting stepped on by a titan actually makes more sense when you consider weather or not the terminator armor is harder than the ground. It's like a nail being hammered into wood, yeah the hammer is driving it in, but since the wood is softer than the nail, the nail isn't being damaged. It's not like the guy in terminator plate is holding the titan off the ground, instead he's just being driven into the ground like a nail into wood, it doesn't actually kill the dude in the armor because the armor can take being hammered into the ground like a nail into wood.
What 40k needs is what Halo and Star wars got, a book covering all elements of the navy and adjacent equipment/forces with illustrated cross sections of the ships
@@benjaminwhite3292 fair point, though you could get around it by just saying "this specific fleet vaguely aims for this as standard or this is the standard of x ministorum world as of x year or whatever. Basically just pick a bunch of generalized standards then admit that the reality of the imperium means standards are a suggestion
The thing about Terminator armours having a piece of the Emperor's own armour in them might be a reference to the old Catholic custom of claiming to possess "true" relics that once belonged to Jesus or some Apostle.
I mean, he was the son of a god. So he was one of the tippy top eldritch horrors. Figure his fingers look like that PvP timer reset item from dark souls.
@@diestormlie Are there actually any churches claiming to have big J's fingerbones? I'd imagine it would match poorly with the whole ascension thing that's supposed to be the cornerstone of their philosophy.
With respect to missiles having recoil, from experience, there is nothing you can really say is recoil happening. What you get is this weird feeling of weight shift as the projectile leaves the launcher and suddenly takes over half the weight with it. Closest thing i could think of is just having the weight of carrying something on your shoulder and then having someone lift the thing out of your hands and it shifting a bit.
On ceramite and adamantium topic: Caramite is stronger, more heat-resistant, but inflexible, so it's brittle andd have low tenisle strength (i.e. hard ti crush, easy to pull apart or twist) Adamantine is still insanely strong, but it have spring and plasticity, and it resists power weapons better. If you want to make something to to against 10000 lasguns, heavy flamers, rampaging Orks, tonns of bullets, or the heat of atmosphere entry, you use ceramite. If you want to make a thing that can withstand power weapons, plasma, and giant tyranids, you use adamantine.,
Ceramite makes me think ceramic rather than metal? Like it’s layers of ceramite and adamantium alternating, ceramite to absorb heat/energy and adamantium for kinetic/explosive weapons
I think you might be wrong because in the lore and many books it just says that adamantium is flat out better to the point that high ranking necrons use it but it’s difficult to mine and it does state that assault craft have use adamantium but tend to be rare and even titans use it for their armor and just about everything
@@riven5677 Adamantium is mostly better than Ceramite, unless you're shot at with a meltagun (since cermite is heat resistant) or just a lot (adamantium armor is ablative and wears down a bit with each hit, while ceramite is deflective and what doesn't pierce it glances off). There can be no "perfect" material for armour, since "hard but brittle" and "flexible but wears off" all have its adavantages. Hence why terminator armour is made of both - outer layer of ceramite to protect adamantium layer beneath from wear and heat attacks, and if something pierces ceramite layer, adamantium should likely stop it.
@DoctorM42 I don't know of any ablative metals. It seems like that should be reversed but GW can do what they want with fictional substances. I did look up a bit on ablation first. It's used with metals but that appears to be weaker materials being used as a disposable protective sheet over the important sections.
I’m surprised they didn’t mention that being able to use terminator armor is a huge honor for a marine, and some marines who are basically “terminator certified” typically wear a “terminator honors” when they are using other armor types
@@michaeledmunds7056 More or less, back in the dark days of 4th/5th edition it even came with the bonus of an extra attack and being able to choose wargear.
Tonite on ridiculous Gear: DK waddles his way to the battlefield, Bricky has been broken out if the Frank Sinatra dungeon and is currently inside the walls, Kirioth uses his newfound terminator armor to conduct raids on Greggs supply trucks and Shy simply gives in to the hatred
Remember that time Guilliman killed a Terminator with a single punch. And it was the first thing he did after waking up from his 10,000 year nap. This video kind of puts that in perspective.
I get this is the lore reason but it really doesn't make that much sense, like if you can make centurion armour, termy army isn't that many steps away.... Before you all start yeah yeah yeah lore I get it but come on....
@muglypunt968 I feel that way about autocannon rounds. They somehow lost the ability to make the explosive autocannon rounds so now they can only use solid armor piercing rounds. They can still manufacture bolts for boltguns though which would be the same mechanism. Always thought that was silly.
It doesn't make sense because of two reasons. The first is more friendly. The Empire doesn't know what it does and doesn't know and the Mechanicum largely frowns upon experimenting with technology. So while they might be able to rediscover tech just by looking at all the different bits they do know well that will never happen unless Cull takes over Mars. And that would cause an immediate civil war. The second reason is the people who wrote the lore did not research this stuff. Just rule of cool'd it
@@jacobfreeman5444 but the point still stands, if you can make centurion armour, literally step in terminator armour the leap isn't that far, I know I know stc's and the mechanicus Yadda Yadda. Tho it still doesn't make sense, like the fellow above points out about autocannon ammo being identical to bolter ammo. The technical minutiae is literally minimal, regardless of the lack of innervation the sizing and steps are not that far away. It just isn't very practical, like you say the rule of cool destroys all common sense. Hey going from power armour to dreadnaughts I'm with you you, lascannon ammo to gravity ammo I'm with you, but the gaps are so small it destroys some immersion
I'm not going to blame people who've never seen how a missile launcher fires for assuming they have recoil, but at the same time they're literally referred to as "recoilless rifle" for a reason: the back of the tube is open so the exhaust from the missile just goes out the back and not into your shoulder
recoilless rifles actually aren't always rocket/missile launchers. It just refers to firearms which let the gas blow out the back so its kinetic energy isn't transferred into the weapon itself. And while many recoilless rifles are often rocket launchers, there are still alot that don't fire any explosive ordinance. so basically it's a rectangles and squares situation.
Looking forward to another 4 part series from Luetin09 about the history and perspectives of what Imperial Navy bulkheads and other ship bulkheads in the 40k lore just to justify the effectiveness or disprove the effectiveness of a chain fist
Interestingly on the subject of Saturnine Terminator armour, the New Horus Heresy main rule book has a section going through the development of marine power armour and has a timeline of when standard and terminator armour was developed. At the very end of the timeline for terminator armour, it explicitly mentions Saturnine.
Fun fact about the cloth hanging on the Cataphractii armor, it's actually a fine spun adamantium thread, so it's actually metal covering your weak points. Bulletproof cloth. Also, going back to the space marine tanks episode, the Capitol Imperialis is built and plated with solid adamantium, and there is an instance in the lore where the vehicle tanks a nuke inside it's void shields and doesn't really get bothered by it. Welcome to Warhammer
As I've said on other videos, the Imperium doesn't use nukes not because of the lasting radiation, not because they can't make them in large numbers, nothing like that. The Imperium doesn't use nukes anymore because they have better options, *and nukes aren't the only way to be sure anymore*.
Funny enough there were pieces of the emperors armor in the crux but only the oldest. In the book pandorax Azreal takes the piece of the emperors armor out of a crux, tapes it to a bullet, then shoots a very powerful demon killing it.
Reading this, all I can imagine is Azreal punching a terminators Crux, grabbing the peice, duct taping it to a bolt round, putting it into a revolver and shooting the deamon centre mass
Chainfists are great, you got the power field weakening the integrity of heavy armor affecting the chainblade attachment. Rips through armor like a hot knife through butter. Always preferred them over just swinging a hulk hand around.
My memories is rather hazy but I think there's only two "common" kinds of "powered chainswords" in the imperium, one been the eviscerator and the other is the Space Wolves Frost weapons.
@@yamata2001 Eviscerators have power field generators? I always just thought they were two-handed chainswords. Don't know anything about Space Wolf Frost Weapons though, haven't done much research on them yet.
always assumes the chainblade on the chainfist was less for cutting and more for scooping the molten metal out of the way regular fists get stuck if the metal is too dense as yea it will melt but then just gloop over everything your still left slowly digging but with the scoops getting the molten stuff out of the way you can easily push trough whats still in the way
@@AGrumpyPanda wiki page states that they're fitted with crude versions of power fields. likely serves as a force multiplier to the weight and power of the chainsword more than anything else you'd tend to see elsewhere with other power weapons.
1:02:03 Whether or not the terminators Missiles have recoil depends upon how they are launched. If the back end of the launcher is solid than yes there would be a recoil however modern anti tank missiles have a weighted plug called a counter mass that is pushed out the back of the launcher when the missile fires eliminating the recoil additionally the back could be an open tube with a slower acceleration but simmilar lack of recoil
They are technically modelled to have a flat back, but between only firing two at a time and the armour being able to tank the recoil of an assault cannon of all things, the armour is probably fine with the recoil of two missiles.
Logan Grimnar Sprinting in Terminator armor is pretty badass too probably the only time it happened and was seen as impossible but the Chapter Master of the Space wolves is pretty badass and has even banished Magnus with his Koraite Battle Axe
@@sorufa888 it screamed in pain as the Master of the wolves went wild/Beast Mode taking Grey Knight heads off for what they did to his home world and lying about a treaty just to attack
The “saturnine” armor described in the Shattered Legions book of short stories isn’t what they are thinking it is. It is described as cataphractii with a backpack that is loaded with missile launchers, conversion beamers, and laz cannons. There was exo suit parts on the outside to help with the added weight and weapons. With a cataphractii base and outer exoskeleton it didn’t come across as saturnine. The iron hands that witnessed it were impressed by the additions to the standard armor.
Best way to think about recoil is this, if the "tube/barrel" is open at both ends, it's not totally recoilless, but mostly. Very toned down, look up an RPG, bazooka, AT4, etc being fired. If the tube/barrel has only the muzzle end open and it fires from a closed back-end, IE like a machine gun, rifle, tank cannon, etc. there's no where for the recoil impulse to go, except backwards, hence felt recoil.
The way i always read it, Ceramite is a ceramic based armour plate good at deflating energy weapons and normally goes over the harder Adamantium underplates that are better at taking ballistic hits.
Missiles don't have recoil unless the launch platform has a plate to catch the fire and redirect it behind the missile when it fires. Generally the jet just goes out the back.
In reference to the Crux Terminatus, the Emperor mentioned that after he killed Horus, he had them strip his armor off when they went back to the golden throne and had it melted down into Gold bars. When asked by Magnus and Captain General Kitten as to why he replied with "It was a kind of heat of the moment thing, like you know when you're feeling erogenous in bed and you have your partner slap you across the face to see if it feels good or not?" At least that's what Emperor TTS said.
The book Pandorax uses the 'sliver of the Emperor's armor' thing for a plot device. Kaldor Draigo confirms that not every suit has it, and those suits that do are highly prized. He does mention every suit of the Grey Knights has it.
Can't help but feel that Allarus was done a little dirty by its actual model not being shown. I've always felt like it's actually very sleek, while still unmistakably being a terminator armour, which makes for a very nice design.
The piece of emperor's armor in every crux terminatus is a reference to real life Victoria Crosses meaning to have a piece of some siege guns captured as stebastopol
DK: “Is a storm bolter a semi-automatic bolter?” “Oh I thought it was just a faster firing bolter-“ Having gun knowledge is a blessing and a curse, that line of words hurt so bad
I deployed a Land Raider Crusader with a terminator squad against my brother, who was playing with a friend for his first time. His Zoanthrope one tapped it. There were no survivors. The Emperor cried a bit.
I’m surprised that Kirioth didn’t bring up Gravis Armor for the Primaris. A variant of the regular armor that is built to be way more tanky- essentially an in-between regular power armor and Terminator armor Plus the fact that Gravis armor has jump packs are hilariously cool
I hope in his downtime Bricky FINALLY plays Red Alert 2 and it's expansion. That game is an old gem he never played and absolutely should! I'd love to see his review on it. I hope he finally gets better soon otherwise we need to send in the Ultrasmurfs to check for Deathguards possibly mucking about near him!
Comparing Ceremite and adamantium is like comparing apples to oranges. Ceremite is a ceramic material which makes it incredibly hard but brittle, excellent at absorbing and dissapating energy and impacts. Adamantium is a metal alloy that is used to construct things. Power armor is made of adamantium but clad in ceremite. One is better at constructing things, the other is better against weapons fire. Making a bulkhead door out of ceremite is a bad idea cuz you can smash it like a slab of marble. The bottom of the space shuttle is made of ceramics to take the heat of reéntry but you wouldn´t take a hammer to it.
"Made of sterner stuff" ever since DK mentioned Galvatron's tank form, I have noticed way more Transformers references then I realized he even made. DK being a true Transformers fanboy is probably the coolest thing that's happened to me all year.
From what info I know which is partly from a certain lore nerd mentioned in this episode the mk/xo/saturnine armour was a sort of scratch/improv cheap piece of terminator armour made to bring max firepower and defence as could be given, especially for the salamanders who had been pushed to the brink after the drop site massacare. But no it was never the "first" and there clearly is another mark of armour mentioned by the saturnine name but never given depth past a name
my idea for Saturnine armor was that it was like the very first line of Prototypes, that worked well but were quickly phased out in favor of more practical and more sensible looking marks. at least that's my head cannon
I'm surprised that Kirioth's avatar isn't interred within a dreadnought chasis. He would be the living embodiment of his all dreadnought army list. Still it's pretty cool to see him here, giving us the down low for Tac. Dreadnought armor.
When I saw the black legion terminators in hammer and bolter, and heard the new coded was coming out, it was enough for me to start a Chaos Space Marine army
I'm reading Death of Integrity right now and yes, chainfists have a power field over the chainweapon part. It's excellent. Now I have an excuse to arm my HQs with chainswords because they look cool and I'll just model a power field line onto the side with putty lmao Early in the first mission into the space hulk the Terminator with a chainfist is sawing through the side of the hulk, and the sound of the powerfield and saw (echoing back through that marine's vox and into the rest of the squad's ears) was contrasting the silence of their techmarine doing the same task with a fusion cutter.
That Chainsword armor thing is actually interesting since Apothecarys have a mini "Chaindagger" on their Narthecium (the heavy Assault Scalpel strapped to their wrist) specificly to open up Powerarmos to quickly extract the Gene seed if a Brother falls.
but that would either mean that terminators can be produced again (so they can be rebuilt, re issued, and chapters can have far more), or it would mean that primaris do have some backwards compatibility and that rubicon marines wouldn't lose out on potential equipment.
They will be scaled up not primarisafied. Also primaris terminators do canonicly exist because it is mentioned that primaris marines are still are trained to use terminator armour
There’s Gravitas and centurion and Terminator armor which was used in the Dark age for mining. ( Gravias or Gravtias Armor is Primaris and a bit bulkier so since they are bigger it’s like a more agile terminator or just stronger regular armor like Centurion correct me if I’m wrong)
To answer the missile recoil question, rocket launchers and rpgs and the like are called "recoilless rifles" for a reason. While not completely free of recoil, the firing method of allowing the exhuast to shoot out the open back of the launcher to propel the payload forward means there's little felt recoil.
8:13 I’m pretty sure that’s a case of people misremembering&telephone-game-ing that time Angron got stomped on by a Warhound Titan but just kept trucking along
Fun fact from the dark days of 4th edition: there was a Daemonhunters model (I think it was Inquisitor Coteaz but I could very well be wrong) who had a rule where orbital strikes lost the scatter rule if you were targeting a friendly unit. Orbital strikes were AP3, which at the time meant it straight up ignored a save of 3+, but 2+ was fine. This meant that a standard tactic was to field a unit of terminators to be *friendly-fired* by ORBITAL STRIKES because their armour could take it. Also, as a part-time Rogue Trader, how DARE you suggest the Purity of Intent's bulkheads are made of anything other than the finest-grade Adamantium I can possibly buy?
I was very disappointed last night when I learned you hadn’t done this already Shout out to my main man’s immune system Putting in none and/or all of the work
Hey Bricky, DK, shy, just wanted to say that since I play this every time I go to sleep, the sound of the intro now puts my cat to sleep 😂. Thank you guys for an amazing podcast as always.
Good to know Kirioth's not-suspicious package reached Bricky safely. I'd hate to think what would happen if it got to the orphanage with a very similiar address instead.
If you let the exhaust gases vent through the back of a missile launcher, then it is indeed recoilless. Otherwise it'll have a bit of recoil but probably not that much because the projectile leaves the barrel at low velocity and accelerates gradually after Also being stepped on by a Titan doesn't sound that bad. When you think about it, the entire titan (or 90% of it) is continually stepping on its knees which on some models are ridiculously tiny. So either titans are made of thin paper and therefore very light, or there is a super strong material that can support their entire massive weight on a ridiculously thin section.
I own an original 1989/1990 warhammer compendium, and is says that all terminator CAPTAINS have a segment of the emperors armor in their crux terminatus, although considering the age of this lore do not take this as fact
Now that you have the two big heresy fan fics out of the way do you ever intend to cover "Warhammer 50k: the shape of the nightmare to come"? its one of my personal favourite fics and covers (fairly extensively) what could happen when all the threats facing the galaxy finally catch up to it and everything goes belly up. it also has a sequel if you find yourself liking it
Nice shot of a classroom instruction oversized Garand on 20:00, very cool find. I actually saw one of those in a surplus store years ago hanging from the ceiling. It was not for sale.
Most rocket/missile launchers have very little felt recoil! The back of the tube is open so the propellant is pushing against the air, not the inside of the weapon. Gotta worry about back blast though...
I love how kirioth has basically become a sudo-4th host for any vehicle or variety troops like drednaughts and vehicle's.
He's the back-up-Bricky!
@@hansiboo657 Bricky gets sick so often that the podcast needs another one
@@arandumendez9557 Whenever Bricky coughs, Shy wakes Kirioth like a Dreadnought
@@hansiboo657
The ancient has awoken
@@brok56 “THE ANCIENT AWAITS!
Shy really just woke up and chose violence. I mean, she does every day, but asking luetin for help just to call him a nerd is such a power play lmao
Shy is the kinda girl who would T pose on your corpse in front of your mother.
And we are all here for it
Shy is new Khaos God in 10th Ed!
I mean he is tho 😂😂😂
hearing someone wear terminator armor get stepped on by a titan just makes me think of a cartoony moment where a guy is walking along, gets crushed by something heavy and once that heavy thing is lifted there is just a perfectly shaped hole with him inside and he pops out completely fine
Hah, i can see that
@@SWProductions100 Could that be Gotrek?
@@SWProductions100 lol! All dwarves are hard to kill, but the only notable "hard to kill" dwarf I(and I assume the rest of the community) know is Gotrek fucking Gurnisson.
What it the earth was muddy? It would absorb and put the termie down like a rock in mud right?
Im pretty sure that’s how it’d go. Marine would probablystay standing though bcuz hes a space marine
Due to the nature of missiles firing from a tube with an open back they have next to no recoil.
Zero Recoil.
Whatever movement is relevant is isnt from the Projectile as Missiles and Rockets dont use Rifleing to engage SPIN. But rather extending fins.
The ONLY way to have recoil when firing a Rocket is if your doing it wrong.
@@TheBuster0926 I mean, infantry is using rocket launchers seemingly unbothered, in real life, so... yeah :D I was thinking that usually missiles are carried on actual vehicles, but it's because, well, it's heavy af xD
i would disagree, look at the BM-21 they shake like hell when fired. the argument really is would a terminator feel it.
@@thetinyMonarch true, but that's mainly the kicker charge. Imagine a closed BM-21 like a sort of cannon, and the crazy recoil it would have during a full salvo, like a whole company of 122mm tank cannons firing at the same time lol.
@@Basedpilledandtradmaxxed Basically it's whether the tube is closed or open, right? Closed > the explosion/ignition of the round pushes the tube back. Open > the explosion/ignition pushes the air outside, like a firework, so almost no recoil force is applied to the tube.
Fun fact, the Iron Hands were largely responsible for the drafting of terminator tactical doctrine, so much so that Ferrus Manus took the earliest iterations of the Indomitus armor and made the Gorgon. The Iron Hands loved using terminator armor so much that every other legion was watching them and taking notes on how to use it in combat.
Edit: I’m not talking about the 4th legion traitor Iron Warriors, I’m talking about the loyal 10th legion Iron HANDS.
not surprising honestly
Iron Within, Iron Without. Going to war without bringing your fortifications with you is a waste of good fortifications.
@@TheGallantDrake I said Iron HANDS not Iron Warriors. 10th legion, not 4th. Black and silver, not black and hazard stripe.
@@venerablebrothergoriate5844the more chapters i learn the more confusing it is as to why they almost have similar names in a way
@@watamelony They're not even chapters at the time OP is talking about, they're legions.
Once again Bricky’s immune system holds up like my connection to darktide servers
Try a vpn worked like a dream for me
that vax working as intended
He is blessed by Nurgle
@@iamyitanli Exactly my thoughts lol. I know this is from a while back but I watch these out of order and was thinking 'sheesh, Bricky sure gets sick a lot nowadays' and he sure talked up that vax.
@@angry_zerglingcringe dude
DK: Kirioth, you always talk about heavy machinery.
also DK: this quote is about A LITERAL HAMMER
I do love how hard Shy went on this one, and according to the Text to Speech series the emperor really likes centurion armour
"OMG that is freakin' adorable."
I'm actually really disappointed they didn't even mention tts but it was still funny seeing dk's reaction to it
@@kastor6497 "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT" is one of my favorite genuine moments in the entire history of this podcast
@@RepKyle95 he went what the hell is even that like the meme
Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: Bricky said ''I'll be back'' after coming down with the Sickness (again) Kirioth replaces the forehead entity known as ''Bricky'' and quickly becomes wetter than an otter's pocket when he looks at THICC Space Marines in THICC Power Armour. DK gets turned into a blanket after the Contekar Terminators asked him simply to guess the quote and Shy joins the Deathshroud Terminators so she can bring even more plagues to Bricky whenever he acts out of line.
‘The forehead entity know as bricky’ murdered me lol. I need new sides
We can only hope the local unofficial town crier for our lovely trio here, YOU synergy yes you! Can continue to spread the propaganda that Bricky is actually a THICC BRICC forehead chaos God.
Yet another good one my man. Keep up the good work as always.
@@ouchiegiverjr Thank you
@@andrethibodeau3203 I'm glad mate
the thing with Terminator armor getting stepped on by a titan actually makes more sense when you consider weather or not the terminator armor is harder than the ground. It's like a nail being hammered into wood, yeah the hammer is driving it in, but since the wood is softer than the nail, the nail isn't being damaged. It's not like the guy in terminator plate is holding the titan off the ground, instead he's just being driven into the ground like a nail into wood, it doesn't actually kill the dude in the armor because the armor can take being hammered into the ground like a nail into wood.
What 40k needs is what Halo and Star wars got, a book covering all elements of the navy and adjacent equipment/forces with illustrated cross sections of the ships
Might I introduce you to Battlefleet Gothic.
That would necessitate GW to actually enforce some actual lore consistency in the way that the Imperial navy and the IG are portrayed.
Couldn't dare mate, they're RELIANT on Deus Ex Machina, no 40k story survives contact with inconsistencies, they're so widespread and regular
@@benjaminwhite3292 fair point, though you could get around it by just saying "this specific fleet vaguely aims for this as standard or this is the standard of x ministorum world as of x year or whatever. Basically just pick a bunch of generalized standards then admit that the reality of the imperium means standards are a suggestion
The thing about Terminator armours having a piece of the Emperor's own armour in them might be a reference to the old Catholic custom of claiming to possess "true" relics that once belonged to Jesus or some Apostle.
The real miracle is Jesus having *that* many fingerbones!
@@diestormlie Jesus is still in one piece and alive so He wouldn’t have left any finger bones but he had a lot of followers.
I mean, he was the son of a god. So he was one of the tippy top eldritch horrors. Figure his fingers look like that PvP timer reset item from dark souls.
@@diestormlie Are there actually any churches claiming to have big J's fingerbones? I'd imagine it would match poorly with the whole ascension thing that's supposed to be the cornerstone of their philosophy.
@@diestormlie He was made in God's image, and if you look at what angels used to look like, i'm picturing some truly bible-accurate shit. :)
With respect to missiles having recoil, from experience, there is nothing you can really say is recoil happening. What you get is this weird feeling of weight shift as the projectile leaves the launcher and suddenly takes over half the weight with it. Closest thing i could think of is just having the weight of carrying something on your shoulder and then having someone lift the thing out of your hands and it shifting a bit.
On ceramite and adamantium topic:
Caramite is stronger, more heat-resistant, but inflexible, so it's brittle andd have low tenisle strength (i.e. hard ti crush, easy to pull apart or twist)
Adamantine is still insanely strong, but it have spring and plasticity, and it resists power weapons better.
If you want to make something to to against 10000 lasguns, heavy flamers, rampaging Orks, tonns of bullets, or the heat of atmosphere entry, you use ceramite.
If you want to make a thing that can withstand power weapons, plasma, and giant tyranids, you use adamantine.,
Ceramite makes me think ceramic rather than metal? Like it’s layers of ceramite and adamantium alternating, ceramite to absorb heat/energy and adamantium for kinetic/explosive weapons
I think you might be wrong because in the lore and many books it just says that adamantium is flat out better to the point that high ranking necrons use it but it’s difficult to mine and it does state that assault craft have use adamantium but tend to be rare and even titans use it for their armor and just about everything
@@riven5677 Adamantium is mostly better than Ceramite, unless you're shot at with a meltagun (since cermite is heat resistant) or just a lot (adamantium armor is ablative and wears down a bit with each hit, while ceramite is deflective and what doesn't pierce it glances off). There can be no "perfect" material for armour, since "hard but brittle" and "flexible but wears off" all have its adavantages.
Hence why terminator armour is made of both - outer layer of ceramite to protect adamantium layer beneath from wear and heat attacks, and if something pierces ceramite layer, adamantium should likely stop it.
@DoctorM42 I don't know of any ablative metals. It seems like that should be reversed but GW can do what they want with fictional substances.
I did look up a bit on ablation first. It's used with metals but that appears to be weaker materials being used as a disposable protective sheet over the important sections.
I’m surprised they didn’t mention that being able to use terminator armor is a huge honor for a marine, and some marines who are basically “terminator certified” typically wear a “terminator honors” when they are using other armor types
Is that like being forklift certified?
@@michaeledmunds7056 More or less, back in the dark days of 4th/5th edition it even came with the bonus of an extra attack and being able to choose wargear.
Is that why some normal space marines in old kits had the option of a crux terminatus shoulder pad?
Tonite on ridiculous Gear: DK waddles his way to the battlefield, Bricky has been broken out if the Frank Sinatra dungeon and is currently inside the walls, Kirioth uses his newfound terminator armor to conduct raids on Greggs supply trucks and Shy simply gives in to the hatred
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE!
When does Shy NOT give in to the hatred?
Imagine a Magos going
"I have failed to accquire the STC, however, this is the STL FILE"
"Excellent news, print the parts and then place them in storage until we recover a copy of the assembly manual."
Remember that time Guilliman killed a Terminator with a single punch. And it was the first thing he did after waking up from his 10,000 year nap. This video kind of puts that in perspective.
Didn't he send that terminator flying after punishing him
@@alphariussx1504 yep also I don't think he just punched it if I remember I think he punched THROUGH it
The main advantage of centurion plate is that they can actually manufacture it while they cant really build any more terminator armor.
I get this is the lore reason but it really doesn't make that much sense, like if you can make centurion armour, termy army isn't that many steps away.... Before you all start yeah yeah yeah lore I get it but come on....
@muglypunt968 I feel that way about autocannon rounds. They somehow lost the ability to make the explosive autocannon rounds so now they can only use solid armor piercing rounds. They can still manufacture bolts for boltguns though which would be the same mechanism. Always thought that was silly.
@@xxchaos315xx6 ahhhh gw lore fiddling at it's finest
It doesn't make sense because of two reasons. The first is more friendly. The Empire doesn't know what it does and doesn't know and the Mechanicum largely frowns upon experimenting with technology. So while they might be able to rediscover tech just by looking at all the different bits they do know well that will never happen unless Cull takes over Mars. And that would cause an immediate civil war.
The second reason is the people who wrote the lore did not research this stuff. Just rule of cool'd it
@@jacobfreeman5444 but the point still stands, if you can make centurion armour, literally step in terminator armour the leap isn't that far, I know I know stc's and the mechanicus Yadda Yadda. Tho it still doesn't make sense, like the fellow above points out about autocannon ammo being identical to bolter ammo. The technical minutiae is literally minimal, regardless of the lack of innervation the sizing and steps are not that far away. It just isn't very practical, like you say the rule of cool destroys all common sense. Hey going from power armour to dreadnaughts I'm with you you, lascannon ammo to gravity ammo I'm with you, but the gaps are so small it destroys some immersion
*"Even In Death I Still Shill"* - Dreadnaught Supremus Bricky
I'm not going to blame people who've never seen how a missile launcher fires for assuming they have recoil, but at the same time they're literally referred to as "recoilless rifle" for a reason: the back of the tube is open so the exhaust from the missile just goes out the back and not into your shoulder
Correct
recoilless rifles actually aren't always rocket/missile launchers. It just refers to firearms which let the gas blow out the back so its kinetic energy isn't transferred into the weapon itself.
And while many recoilless rifles are often rocket launchers, there are still alot that don't fire any explosive ordinance.
so basically it's a rectangles and squares situation.
Right but you do need to watch for back pressure/ blast that will fuck u up
@@heftyordinanceindividual4015 would you say
*it's a toob?*
@@aganaom1712 basically. Same goes with the lunge mine just being a bomb on a stick. Tho I understand what your saying
Looking forward to another 4 part series from Luetin09 about the history and perspectives of what Imperial Navy bulkheads and other ship bulkheads in the 40k lore just to justify the effectiveness or disprove the effectiveness of a chain fist
I’d assume plasteel, reinforced with adamantium for more important ships
@@HistoritorJimaldus and plot-armorium in certain cases
Interestingly on the subject of Saturnine Terminator armour, the New Horus Heresy main rule book has a section going through the development of marine power armour and has a timeline of when standard and terminator armour was developed. At the very end of the timeline for terminator armour, it explicitly mentions Saturnine.
The egg terminator armor should be referred to as Vulkan’s half-moon
Fun fact about the cloth hanging on the Cataphractii armor, it's actually a fine spun adamantium thread, so it's actually metal covering your weak points. Bulletproof cloth.
Also, going back to the space marine tanks episode, the Capitol Imperialis is built and plated with solid adamantium, and there is an instance in the lore where the vehicle tanks a nuke inside it's void shields and doesn't really get bothered by it.
Welcome to Warhammer
As I've said on other videos, the Imperium doesn't use nukes not because of the lasting radiation, not because they can't make them in large numbers, nothing like that. The Imperium doesn't use nukes anymore because they have better options, *and nukes aren't the only way to be sure anymore*.
Funny enough there were pieces of the emperors armor in the crux but only the oldest. In the book pandorax Azreal takes the piece of the emperors armor out of a crux, tapes it to a bullet, then shoots a very powerful demon killing it.
Oh THAT is metal
Reading this, all I can imagine is Azreal punching a terminators Crux, grabbing the peice, duct taping it to a bolt round, putting it into a revolver and shooting the deamon centre mass
@@lachlanmacrae1779 this is glorious.
Pandorax is such a great book
Chainfists are great, you got the power field weakening the integrity of heavy armor affecting the chainblade attachment. Rips through armor like a hot knife through butter. Always preferred them over just swinging a hulk hand around.
My memories is rather hazy but I think there's only two "common" kinds of "powered chainswords" in the imperium, one been the eviscerator and the other is the Space Wolves Frost weapons.
@@yamata2001 Eviscerators have power field generators? I always just thought they were two-handed chainswords. Don't know anything about Space Wolf Frost Weapons though, haven't done much research on them yet.
always assumes the chainblade on the chainfist was less for cutting and more for scooping the molten metal out of the way
regular fists get stuck if the metal is too dense as yea it will melt but then just gloop over everything your still left slowly digging
but with the scoops getting the molten stuff out of the way you can easily push trough whats still in the way
@@ayyitsrith Eviscerators don't typically have power fields, no. They're just giant chainswords.
@@AGrumpyPanda wiki page states that they're fitted with crude versions of power fields. likely serves as a force multiplier to the weight and power of the chainsword more than anything else you'd tend to see elsewhere with other power weapons.
1:02:03 Whether or not the terminators Missiles have recoil depends upon how they are launched. If the back end of the launcher is solid than yes there would be a recoil however modern anti tank missiles have a weighted plug called a counter mass that is pushed out the back of the launcher when the missile fires eliminating the recoil additionally the back could be an open tube with a slower acceleration but simmilar lack of recoil
They are technically modelled to have a flat back, but between only firing two at a time and the armour being able to tank the recoil of an assault cannon of all things, the armour is probably fine with the recoil of two missiles.
Logan Grimnar Sprinting in Terminator armor is pretty badass too probably the only time it happened and was seen as impossible but the Chapter Master of the Space wolves is pretty badass and has even banished Magnus with his Koraite Battle Axe
The armor started screeching because it was never supposed to go that fast
I think the Wolf Lord from the War of the Fang was either sprinting or moving faster than should be possible.
@@sorufa888 it screamed in pain as the Master of the wolves went wild/Beast Mode taking Grey Knight heads off for what they did to his home world and lying about a treaty just to attack
The “saturnine” armor described in the Shattered Legions book of short stories isn’t what they are thinking it is. It is described as cataphractii with a backpack that is loaded with missile launchers, conversion beamers, and laz cannons. There was exo suit parts on the outside to help with the added weight and weapons. With a cataphractii base and outer exoskeleton it didn’t come across as saturnine. The iron hands that witnessed it were impressed by the additions to the standard armor.
Surviving crack missile and titan stomping, but getting flayed by some bioclaws of genestealers. WH physics at its finest.
tbf those examples given probably had a lot of luck and circumstance involved
Best way to think about recoil is this, if the "tube/barrel" is open at both ends, it's not totally recoilless, but mostly. Very toned down, look up an RPG, bazooka, AT4, etc being fired.
If the tube/barrel has only the muzzle end open and it fires from a closed back-end, IE like a machine gun, rifle, tank cannon, etc. there's no where for the recoil impulse to go, except backwards, hence felt recoil.
God I love the special guest appearances of Luten here.
Ikr
The way i always read it, Ceramite is a ceramic based armour plate good at deflating energy weapons and normally goes over the harder Adamantium underplates that are better at taking ballistic hits.
Kirioth had the chance say: "Today we talk about terminators and terminator accessories." and blew it.
Because it'd be retarded
@@calebbarnhouse496 How so?
@@Destroyedearth because it's not funny
Missiles don't have recoil unless the launch platform has a plate to catch the fire and redirect it behind the missile when it fires. Generally the jet just goes out the back.
In reference to the Crux Terminatus, the Emperor mentioned that after he killed Horus, he had them strip his armor off when they went back to the golden throne and had it melted down into Gold bars. When asked by Magnus and Captain General Kitten as to why he replied with "It was a kind of heat of the moment thing, like you know when you're feeling erogenous in bed and you have your partner slap you across the face to see if it feels good or not?" At least that's what Emperor TTS said.
The book Pandorax uses the 'sliver of the Emperor's armor' thing for a plot device. Kaldor Draigo confirms that not every suit has it, and those suits that do are highly prized. He does mention every suit of the Grey Knights has it.
Can't help but feel that Allarus was done a little dirty by its actual model not being shown. I've always felt like it's actually very sleek, while still unmistakably being a terminator armour, which makes for a very nice design.
Amazing that I came from an always sunny 40k edit, directly to this moment 55:37
59:40 Dk's reaction made me crack up so much and is why I keep checking in. Love it!
The Emperor would have deleted him had he heard him say how bad they look.
The piece of emperor's armor in every crux terminatus is a reference to real life Victoria Crosses meaning to have a piece of some siege guns captured as stebastopol
DK: “Is a storm bolter a semi-automatic bolter?”
“Oh I thought it was just a faster firing bolter-“
Having gun knowledge is a blessing and a curse, that line of words hurt so bad
Remember that DK forgets more than half of the stuff they talk about
@@jessenielsen7218 more so was talking about the use of semi-auto in this context
@@JohnDoe-ud8fn still my point stands
@@jessenielsen7218 … not really? Don’t think they’ve gone over the different of auto and semi-auto
Scarab Occult Terminators would look so weird with a diff pattern terminator armor, I'm glad they're Tartarus
I deployed a Land Raider Crusader with a terminator squad against my brother, who was playing with a friend for his first time. His Zoanthrope one tapped it. There were no survivors. The Emperor cried a bit.
*cries in Lementer bad luck*
Late af but
Zoantrope: Blowing Land Raider with mind
Terminator captain: my fucking Land Raider *dies*
I’m surprised that Kirioth didn’t bring up Gravis Armor for the Primaris.
A variant of the regular armor that is built to be way more tanky- essentially an in-between regular power armor and Terminator armor
Plus the fact that Gravis armor has jump packs are hilariously cool
I hope in his downtime Bricky FINALLY plays Red Alert 2 and it's expansion. That game is an old gem he never played and absolutely should! I'd love to see his review on it. I hope he finally gets better soon otherwise we need to send in the Ultrasmurfs to check for Deathguards possibly mucking about near him!
59:51 - Centurion armor is aDORNble
1:12:06 - that's a Pile bunker, like the Bloodbourne 'Stake Driver'
1:12:31 - Literally 'Homo sapiens rotundus'
I love terminators!!!!! Currently have a collection of around 120 Deathwing terminators of various patterns and love fielding them.
Did you sell your children to buy them?
Ah, a fellow son of The Lion
Comparing Ceremite and adamantium is like comparing apples to oranges. Ceremite is a ceramic material which makes it incredibly hard but brittle, excellent at absorbing and dissapating energy and impacts. Adamantium is a metal alloy that is used to construct things. Power armor is made of adamantium but clad in ceremite. One is better at constructing things, the other is better against weapons fire. Making a bulkhead door out of ceremite is a bad idea cuz you can smash it like a slab of marble. The bottom of the space shuttle is made of ceramics to take the heat of reéntry but you wouldn´t take a hammer to it.
Kirioth would be very good at writing little paragraphs in the codexes about whatever factions
Fairly disappointed that they didn’t mention the Deathwing in this video. Hopefully they make up for it when they discuss the Dark Angels
I dont think they know the dark angels exist
@@Akota999 true, Bricky is the only one who seems to mention them
Isn't the beginning quote a dark angels quote?
@@ShadowGhost0117 *sad cat noises*
@@ShotGunner5609 no Kirioth said he made it up
"Made of sterner stuff"
ever since DK mentioned Galvatron's tank form, I have noticed way more Transformers references then I realized he even made.
DK being a true Transformers fanboy is probably the coolest thing that's happened to me all year.
From what info I know which is partly from a certain lore nerd mentioned in this episode
the mk/xo/saturnine armour was a sort of scratch/improv cheap piece of terminator armour made to bring max firepower and defence as could be given, especially for the salamanders who had been pushed to the brink after the drop site massacare. But no it was never the "first" and there clearly is another mark of armour mentioned by the saturnine name but never given depth past a name
my idea for Saturnine armor was that it was like the very first line of Prototypes, that worked well but were quickly phased out in favor of more practical and more sensible looking marks. at least that's my head cannon
Hot take. I think it looks cool
@@samnuell864 same man.
37:30 that is exactly how I feel shy
I'm surprised that Kirioth's avatar isn't interred within a dreadnought chasis. He would be the living embodiment of his all dreadnought army list. Still it's pretty cool to see him here, giving us the down low for Tac. Dreadnought armor.
When I saw the black legion terminators in hammer and bolter, and heard the new coded was coming out, it was enough for me to start a Chaos Space Marine army
I'm reading Death of Integrity right now and yes, chainfists have a power field over the chainweapon part. It's excellent.
Now I have an excuse to arm my HQs with chainswords because they look cool and I'll just model a power field line onto the side with putty lmao
Early in the first mission into the space hulk the Terminator with a chainfist is sawing through the side of the hulk, and the sound of the powerfield and saw (echoing back through that marine's vox and into the rest of the squad's ears) was contrasting the silence of their techmarine doing the same task with a fusion cutter.
That Chainsword armor thing is actually interesting since Apothecarys have a mini "Chaindagger" on their Narthecium (the heavy Assault Scalpel strapped to their wrist) specificly to open up Powerarmos to quickly extract the Gene seed if a Brother falls.
For some reason I have recently become incredibly addicted to this podcast , maybe more than all others
Primaris terminators would be such a nail in the heart
but that would either mean that terminators can be produced again (so they can be rebuilt, re issued, and chapters can have far more), or it would mean that primaris do have some backwards compatibility and that rubicon marines wouldn't lose out on potential equipment.
Then again, losing them forever to scale change… they put themselves in such an impossible, avoidable situation
They will be scaled up not primarisafied.
Also primaris terminators do canonicly exist because it is mentioned that primaris marines are still are trained to use terminator armour
Wouldn't a Terminator getting stepped on by a Titan just get pushed into the ground if the armor (for some reason) didn't give?
No, because even if the dirt did just give, it wouldn't give enough to go all the way, nor would it give fast enough to prevent squish
I love how vashtorr slipped into the episode lol... Now DK think if Vashtorr starts messing with terminator armor 😈
potental TTS spoilers
I absolutely love the look of centurion armor even with the drills tho i may be partial to the TTS portrayal of dorn
Props to Shy with the flash bang fake-out
There’s Gravitas and centurion and Terminator armor which was used in the Dark age for mining. ( Gravias or Gravtias Armor is Primaris and a bit bulkier so since they are bigger it’s like a more agile terminator or just stronger regular armor like Centurion correct me if I’m wrong)
To answer the missile recoil question, rocket launchers and rpgs and the like are called "recoilless rifles" for a reason. While not completely free of recoil, the firing method of allowing the exhuast to shoot out the open back of the launcher to propel the payload forward means there's little felt recoil.
Finally my favourite SM thing. I somewhen want to have a collection of all terminators
8:13 I’m pretty sure that’s a case of people misremembering&telephone-game-ing that time Angron got stomped on by a Warhound Titan but just kept trucking along
Fun fact from the dark days of 4th edition: there was a Daemonhunters model (I think it was Inquisitor Coteaz but I could very well be wrong) who had a rule where orbital strikes lost the scatter rule if you were targeting a friendly unit. Orbital strikes were AP3, which at the time meant it straight up ignored a save of 3+, but 2+ was fine. This meant that a standard tactic was to field a unit of terminators to be *friendly-fired* by ORBITAL STRIKES because their armour could take it.
Also, as a part-time Rogue Trader, how DARE you suggest the Purity of Intent's bulkheads are made of anything other than the finest-grade Adamantium I can possibly buy?
I'm also sick right now, and it hurts to laugh but the Luetin/Shye dialogue has me WHEEZING.
It kind of sucks how they only gave us assault terminators in 40k battlesector, you know, the ones that are melee only.
I wouldn't be too mad if Kirioth became a permanent 4th host, his chemistry with the rest of the group is great
I am currently painting some deathwing terminators, lucky timing!
Bricky catching nurgles rot. The twist we didn't need.
you guys are quickly becoming my favorite channel!!
Kirioth's quote could also perfectly work for sternguard veterans and vanguard veterans, since vanguard vets use thunder hammers
The best Mining/Hazmat suit on 40k
What makes 2:33 worse is that’s is a real weapon, a military weapon
I was very disappointed last night when I learned you hadn’t done this already
Shout out to my main man’s immune system
Putting in none and/or all of the work
Thanks internet, now i get poster ideas when DK talks about being step on by a titan.
Hey Bricky, DK, shy, just wanted to say that since I play this every time I go to sleep, the sound of the intro now puts my cat to sleep 😂. Thank you guys for an amazing podcast as always.
9:41 This Space Marine is one of the funniest things I've ever seen in 40k 🤣
After an aweful test this is exactly what I needed! I adore terminators!
Good to know Kirioth's not-suspicious package reached Bricky safely. I'd hate to think what would happen if it got to the orphanage with a very similiar address instead.
I like the idea that Shy just has everyone in the 40K community in her DMs and she can crack the whip for a response at any time 🤣
"Plan of putting every marine into terminator armour didn't work" Death Wing would like to talk to you 😊
Hopefully all the main types of Terminator armour are covered here!
If you let the exhaust gases vent through the back of a missile launcher, then it is indeed recoilless. Otherwise it'll have a bit of recoil but probably not that much because the projectile leaves the barrel at low velocity and accelerates gradually after
Also being stepped on by a Titan doesn't sound that bad. When you think about it, the entire titan (or 90% of it) is continually stepping on its knees which on some models are ridiculously tiny. So either titans are made of thin paper and therefore very light, or there is a super strong material that can support their entire massive weight on a ridiculously thin section.
"Who doesnt like some terminators?" Id say anyone who has played against a Deathwing Vanguard absolutely fucking hates them
Well that’s what happens when you face the sons of The Lion
Or thousand sons
Ceramite is an ablative material. It's there to absorb energy, not to be strong. That's the adamantine's job.
"wearing slick, black, gold-trimmed allerous terminator armor is just as aroginous as wearing, nothing at all.😎"-Brother Lockwarden
I own an original 1989/1990 warhammer compendium, and is says that all terminator CAPTAINS have a segment of the emperors armor in their crux terminatus, although considering the age of this lore do not take this as fact
GW sure likes to terminate my paycheck, now you're telling me they have a unit designed for that??
As a Raven Guard fan, can confirm lightning claws are great.
But centurions are awesome how dare you :P
Now that you have the two big heresy fan fics out of the way do you ever intend to cover "Warhammer 50k: the shape of the nightmare to come"? its one of my personal favourite fics and covers (fairly extensively) what could happen when all the threats facing the galaxy finally catch up to it and everything goes belly up. it also has a sequel if you find yourself liking it
Have they already done Roboutian Heresy?
@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 yep
@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 actually scratch that. just double checked and apparently im just going crazy
Warhammer 90k: all life has reverted to single celled organisms
@@AllYourPals no they have only done the Dornian heresy
Nice shot of a classroom instruction oversized Garand on 20:00, very cool find.
I actually saw one of those in a surplus store years ago hanging from the ceiling. It was not for sale.
They’re not very slow when Logan Grimnar is wearing a suit and there’s a bunch of Grey Knights and Inquisitors in front of him
I love how scared shitless those Grey Knights were when they saw him SPRINTING in fucking terminator armor.
@@Nempo13 I think most people would be shitting bricks if they saw that.
What book is that from, I gotta read more space wolf stuff
Most rocket/missile launchers have very little felt recoil! The back of the tube is open so the propellant is pushing against the air, not the inside of the weapon. Gotta worry about back blast though...