Gaijin Just Nerfed the Gripen Yet Again | War Thunder
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Don't worry, it'll still do perfectly fine. Honestly it could probably use more nerfs with how stupidly strong it still is currently, but it is what it is.
00:00 Intro
00:15 Nerf
00:45 Does It Even Matter
04:15 Italy Stays Winning
05:30 New Mavericks
Outro Music: • Fights On - Summer Ski...
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The Swedish entry into NATO has been a disaster for its warthunder statistics
the ruski anger
Hahahahaha
The end of neutrality and its consequences have been a disaster for the Sweden main community.
Just wait until they nerf the STRV122's hull armor and bring it down to that of the Leo 2A7V and PSO.
@@genericamerican. Russian overall performance is suffering (when any Ivan can buy an entire loadout for GRB with GE including 2 tanks, 2 ifv’s one of which is basically an SPAA and an SU-25K
7:41 man, you got gaijined hard
Skill issued*
Sorry for being dumb, but how do you add a time stamp to your comment?
@@alexandreabecasis6659 just write 7:41 for example!
@@alexandreabecasis6659 just write the time
@@Em_Youl bro, 5:21
That’s it? Surprised it wasn’t a larger nerf…
This thing is already busted, so just wait for the better engine gripen… yikes…
I know, so busted Mig29/su27 players might have to use both their keyboard AND mouse
@@BugattiONE666 lmfao trueee
@@BugattiONE666 I watched a grippen on redside completely annihilate the while blue time for a solid 15 minutes in sim thing is really funny to watch completely nullify f-16c's
the Gripen E will probably be added alongside things like the F/A-18E and maybe a late F-15C because not only does it have a better engine, it ALSO has
-An AESA radar which is mounted on a plate that lets it turn to the side
-Three extra hardpoints for missiles
-Carries the Meteor and IRIS-T
-Towed decoys
-An electronic warfare suite
-and Datalink
It's more of an F-35 Lite than anything else
I hope you all realize that the JAS39 E is the best aircraft Sweden have, and it will have to deal with Eurofighters and F-22s (Among others) by the time they get added, either early next year or late this year, my prediction. Sweden might be dominating right now, but they are not as future proof as the big nations. Ah, the ''better engine'' version still has a much inferior TWR compared to the planes I mentioned and of course, it can't carry as much ordnance. I guess it might still carry more countermeasures. If someone knows how many countermeasures those jets carry, I'd appreciate it.
As someone who has tested it, the F-16C was NOT able to outrage the Gripen C at 350-400kn, not at full deflection
yep, gripen max turn rate is 1.5 degrees per second higher than of f-16C. For gripen it was 23.5 dps
f-16C - 22 dps
f-16a - 23.5 dps
Now with this update gripen rates 0.5 dps slower than f-16a
p.s. all measurements at 20 min fuel, clean wings, in sim mode
@@mmmn8979oh God, it's dcs all over again
I feel pity for Gripen because when Rafale and Typhoon come, I think it will be the last option a player would prefer in a normal match, Air RB.
The current Gripens probably, but by then a JAS-39E won't be that far off, and there is always a more overpowered missile that could be added lmao, gaijin has plenty of options.
The comparison between the gripen rafale or even the typhoon is very superficial because we in War Thunder do not have an electronic warfare system or even some real radar features. All that makes the plane in War Thunder strong is just the number of missiles it has, but in the future I hope it will make the matter more complicated with... Taking into account pilot skills@@ryanfreeman5083
@@ryanfreeman5083 the e variant would slap everything in its way, but thats the newest variant
@@legendaerycraft2226 will slap everything, except Eurofighter, Rafale, and most of new americans fighters
@@Notanpilot It slaps these too easialy.
AHAHAHHAH LOVED THE ENDING, the exact same thing happened to me in a Draken yesterday
It figures they nerf it when I get halfway through the Swedish tech tree 😂
Broke into Tier 6 today smh
gl at playing lansen xd
i knew about the nerf and im still grinding it on Raf
Gaijin does not like NATO having good planes💀
Or ground vehicles
yes they do wtf are you talking about all they release is good NATO planes
I refuse to believe you even play the game if you unironcally think this
@@jaek__yeah, I love fighting Russian vehicles in my severely nerfed NATO vehicles
(Like why tf does ARAT ERA barely work
I love to do 1vs1 dogfights in wt, and I think this is a good change, the gripen didn't get too nerfed but it is not op at 2 circle fight anymore, literally the gripen had more alpha than f16A and practically the same degrees per second, it was an absolute beast at bfm
I have just unninstalled war thunder, wish me luck
Good luck
You’ll be back
See u in 1 week
I’ve been over it too
That's what Sergei said, look at what happened to him
Did we know the degrees per second in a sustained turn pre current nerf?
Since I don't think a 0.5 degree nerf really changes that much......
i’m happy to see larger scale representation of new nations. even if it’s a subtree
1:23 ‘however it could beat everything in a dogfight, at least in air RB’, so this essentially means that a bmp can out-turn this thing? That’s impressive.
Checked here before continuing the Swiss grind lol
How the hell do you modify the text packs so quickly after each update?
)))))
So Russian mains can’t whine anymore about gripen
I think Su-27/J-11 is better than gripen due to the BVR ability, even Sukhoi planes doesn’t have the gripen grade weight and manuverability, its still a missile bus that can carry up to 6 ERs. Try to beat a missile that performs even better than AMRAAM and R77 at speed. Well, Gripen is always better than any f16/f15s.
@@dereks_zd6607well this would be true ….. if not 10x+ more powerful multipath than it is irl (not to mention that irl multipath doesn’t affects radars at all if the target is above water. So idk why they artificially “killed” any kinds of BVR fights in the game and also all fox-3’s will be as “useful” as fox-1’s - they’re all will be defeated by flying not even extremely low(how it should be, below 10m) but just low) and rn if you can bring any plane to rb/sb match - Su-27 and MiG-29SMT will be the last options cause they’re literally 2 the worst top tier planes rn(especially in SB). Even 11.7 M2KS4 with only 2 Magic 2’s and 2 530F/D’s will win 99 out of 100 fights against Su-27/29SMT in the game
@@user-jy6cn3jy8gAgain, I am not going to change my stance. Su-27/Mig-29s are still the best BVR kings in War Thunder. And I do not agree that their missile can be defeated EASILY by any kind of planes. Just go try to 1v1 a su-27 or mig-29 at bvr range, they are definitely going to outclass any plane in war thunder. But all in all, it just depends on the situationl
@@dereks_zd6607 lmao, R-27ER is as easy to defeat as any other SARH: at long distances by turning sideways or cold and the missile will go to nowhere/will run out of energy, at close distances by just flying below 50-60m and the missile will go straight to the ground(even 6 of them, doesn’t matter) and 1v1 is even easier to play against these planes cause you can force em into mid/low speed BFM and annihilate them with a Vulcan without worrying about 15 other guys that can “3rd-party” you
@@user-jy6cn3jy8g Yes, with proper chaffing and evasive manuvers, any radar missiles are dodgeable. But the point is, whether it's harder to or not. Cmon man, if you have played top tier before, you will find out that r27ers are just better overall.It must be HARDER to flare compared to other SARH missiles.
I find it odd that in game the gripen can carry the radar missile on the 2 inner pylons but irl can also be carried on the outside pylons witch is not in WT even tho the outer pylons are that big so it could specifically carry the RB99/ AIM120-B but I digress
radar missiles are useless relative to IR missiles rn anyways so who cares.
WHAT WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING??
That members list is MASSIVE holy cow!
I KNOW AHAHAHA
I can’t wait for june. AMRAAM is gonna be such a nice addition to the F15, and the R27ER will finally not slap everything out of the air with no competition
Those gift subs lol
Even 2 circle the gripen was beating me in sim while running both the f-16 adf and the c. Gripen still rates like stupid we will see if this nerf really hits it
wouldnt reducing the turntime make it better?
Imo it's really dumb that every country has every vehicle now. You might as well not have nations in the game anymore.
Idk managed to take a fight one circle with the mirage 2000 and this poor gripen could not pull enough AOA to keep me from getting on his tail.
Only 800k RP away from the swedish femboi mobile. Even though I plan to mostly use it in ground
Hey Lee I know you got the charts, can you tell me if the Su-27’s flight performance is accurate? I keep seeing people say it isn’t rating enough or bleeds too much speed
The 29 smt sure is not right ,no good engines, flight performance is sht ,but irl it's impressive
@@rockatanski0218 It’s a cool looking jet for sure
The flight performance is like 99 percent accurate, the sustained turn stuff etc is correct. It may bleed too much speed in instantaneous turn but that's hard to prove.
@@GeneralLee2000 aiight bet, thanks lee
@@GeneralLee2000I'm far from an expert, but shouldn't the Flanker be capable of hanging with most jets we have in game in a slow speed turn fight? Or is it that jets like the F16A are just over performing? I mean, I always believed that the Mirage 2000, SU27, F15, MiG29, etc.. could handily out perform an F16 in that regime.
Maybe it's different with full real controls, or maybe I'm just wrong lol.
Honestly, it was really needed, For some of us who were dedicated to 1v1, we could never understand how the hell a Gripen could outrun an F16C in a rate fight in the deck, that's simply impossible unless the F16 does quite badly.
Netz standing in the backround being able to beat the gripen if used correctly
netz and other bl10's still lose to gripen it just went from a complete slam to like a 60/40 matchup for gripen with the nerf
the block 10s always beat the gripen
@@Skinny6539 it never did and it still doesn't
@@Skinny6539no they don't
alright 👍
I don’t get this, if you full deflect the gripen weirdly rocks back and forth even in full real controls, almost like it’s still stuck in damping, I think there’s bias shenanigans going on here
It's crazy to me that they still haven't reduced the number of countermeasures the BOL pods carry. Fuckers play the whole match with periodic countermeasures on and still have some leftovers for the post-game flare parade.
WOOOOOOO
not a fan of the hungarian air tree, literally nothing but copypaste with a new flag and skins for nationalisms sake. i feel stupid thinking gripen could be something special for sweden so this is kinda frustrating atm, also making teams in sim like mixed teams.
Firstly, it is very difficult to maintain vehicles exclusive to certain nations due to the globalized world, secondly, you may not have liked it, but the Italy mains probably liked it because before, Italy in relation to air was a completely abandoned tech tree...
Hey expect another Gripen to come to Japan since they seem to adding Thai vehicles to it.
@@potatouno Yeah but it's frustrating that Sweden gets the worst version of their own jet. When I started playing this game 3 years ago my end goal was to get to fly the Gripen, now literally everyone gets to fly a better version for no good reason.
@@wilmeroberg9794 that is what usually happens, the best mig-29 came out in german tree, the best f-5 came out in chinese tree, the best f-15 came out in japanese tree, the best f-16 came out in israeli tree etc. mainly because the origin nation will receive the best variant later. that is how gaijin does things, it's not like they are picking sweden to bully or something.
@@wilmeroberg9794 39A and 39C are essentially (if not completely) identical in game my guy
I’m just waiting for Hungary to get the modern Leo 2’s so then there can be two nations with modern leopards and delta wing 4th gen fighters…neither of them being Germany
ITS ME IM IN THE SECOND CLIPP AND IN HIS SQUAD I KNEW IT 3:32
The Swedish JAS-39C and JAS-39E should be fun when they come out too. I wonder if the AJS-37 line will get the twin seat JAS-39B, D, and F later too.
Hopefully at least one of the twin seater will be an event vehicle
there's really no need for the twin seat Gripens in game, if there were to be one it'd probably be the JAS-39B and it'd be an event vehicle
@@downwindfish1 I'm of the mindset that due to the event and folder system we should be getting every variant of every plane
@@fate3071 if they folder it in than sure, but they haven shown too much interest in using folders since the update
Nice
You don’t understand the gripen isn’t op every one else is just bad 😤😤😤
Average Sweden main mindset
@@deca0 Well yes, this is because most people who play sweden happen to be higher skill players. So everyone else is literally just bad.
Im so salty that my precious britain finnaly has a top tier, and its just being nerfed constantly, everyone just moans about it and conveniently forgets about when the f14 just rolled top tier uncontested for about a year. Everyones just having a moan because its not the usa or ussr for once
So true!!!
I usually see gripens take an er to the face
If SARHs actually meant a damn, the gripen wouldnt be able to do what theyre doing rn. Radars and missile guidance being so bad makes these random cheese strats viable and meta
Good?
I was out dog fighting gripens in the f15 before they nerfed it why tf they nerfing it more
they nerfed the harriers too
feels sluggish now
The British effect
Theyre just nerfing it incorrectly, as soon as it gets its rb99s, the aim9m should ne removed from it, as it never carried them.
Nerfs to the FM and performance do not come as a result of 'nerfs' for gameplay. This came as a result of a bug report identifying a discrepancy of the in-game performance as compared to known datapoints.
are you still on the forums arguing with like 20 people at once or did them accusing of being literally manic drive you away
As an American main I’ll say, it’s crazy they have to nerf things because they are built for specific purposes in reality.
You do realise the stuff they add into the game isn't identical to the real things. Su-27 for instance has a garbage flight model to balance its missiles loadout (which is really dumb)
@@102ndsmirnov7 yes, which is a problem since they claim “realism”z
them making it so you had to be under** mach 1 to drop gbu's pissed me off so hard. cas in the gripen was the most fun i had had in such a long time. idk why they don't just do it for every plane. such bullshit
Why do they keep doing this?
They lose to sweden irl so they cope in war thunder😂😂😂
5:12. Why are my 9Ms not ignoring flares in headons??
I mean that was more side not headon lol
@@GeneralLee2000 oh ok.
any day where the gripen gets nerfed is a good day
Now they can nerf the R-27ER speed (while still keeping it the fastest missile, just not so much more than everything else) and make it an even better day.
This thung is goin to get nerfert to ground
the italian Tornado honestly gets way too much hate, at its tier it's a sealclubber since most bozos dont even know how to flare properly
I just started war thunder
This is actually insane, it's pulling like 2/3 of it's rated G-limit
Hold S? I hope I’m not the only one the doesn’t use default pitch controls😭
I have W and S for throttle, and Shift+W and Shift+S for pitch.
i have Z and X for pitch
yo yall should never cook again my god
@@wilmeroberg9794 no way! thats crazy bro
@@RubberyDuckkery867 WHAT!?! was W and S for then?
A solid 1Mil. Rp away from getting the german Migger 29G.
I never get why people especially us mains care about the AV8B+ it’s shit, even just for CAS or GRB, when amraams come it will be better sure but still it’s slow and easy to defeat
Lee must be the biggest gripen hater in wt. Also fyi the hungarian gripen is not complete copy paste it has much better mavericks
Its Radar is also still overpowered
Meanwhile F-15A with the wrong radar for 4 months:
yeh it's to the point where my aim 9ms are a better substitute for my skyflashes when i radar slave them
If you’re using the radar and not using 6 9M’s you’re flying it wrong
@@christopherchartier3017completely untrue, the Skyflash is much more reliable in the head on.
@@leogibney Flying low negates that
still dont rlly get why the gripens sustained turnrate is so good to begin with. its an 'advanced' high t/w delta canard design, sure, but its still just that: a DELTA canard. gaijin gave the same treatment to the J-7E, which can almost outrate wing-slat F-86s in a 1v1 lol, despite being a double delta with the same thrust as the MiG-21MF (the weakest high tier fishbed in terms of t/w iirc?)
it feels the exact same here, a delta wing inexplicably just being given enough turnrate by gaijin to even outdo the heavier *F-16s* in a 2 circle. that should like, never be the case afaik.
it sucks, i really expected the delta canard design to allow it to pull really cool high AoA maneuvers and ballsy tactics, but i find the gripen literally so boring to fly because all its good at is 2 circling for some reason??? like other than really good turn rate, the gripens turn 'radius' just feels so lame lol
i genuinely prefer a full-real Su-27 for a 1v1 dogfight against most jets lol
Ok.
Because they nerfed the gripen aoa to much like the draken
Just because it's delta doesn't mean it will turn like Mirage III. There's much more into it than delta wing < normal wing.
The f-16 is a delta wing too…
The LERX on the f-16 are also delta shaped…
Even the tail plane on the f-16 is a delta wing.
There is much more to a wing than delta or not, the induced drag from turning is not limited to delta or not.
This combines with the fact that the gripen is a very aerodynamic aircraft, having the highest lift to drag of any delta canard (AFAIK).
Still def over preforming tho
@@Texas_Engineer_Mike i mean, i figure as such, but even still it's not computing. is alot of excess thrust and all-moving canards simply enough to make this tailless delta wing on par with an F-16, an airframe almost wholly designed for this exact regime of BFM? i still havent been enlightened how that works lol
1v1 in top tier air rb? What world you guys live? Never happen
Realistically if it gets power creeped in the future when more modern 4th gens arrive it will get buffed back to patch day status.
The problem is right now there's not many planes that stack up to the grippen in terms of capabilities.
It won’t get buffed to patch day status because those numbers are straight up wrong.
they wont rebuff it. they never do
@-theislander-5888 They do buff vehicles in this game. Contrary to popular belief.
Granted it does take them a while to do so.
@@unlockingsnow8571 They buff soft stats like reload rate, and will add historically correct features that they’ve sat on to make a vehicle more competitive. But something like an aircraft sustained turn rate isn’t increased or decreased just to buff or nerf it.
Why cant they accept sweeden has a better fighter than them
Because they're nationalists
They gonna nerf it more since its a NATO plane now😂
THANK GOD!!!!
Mirage 4000 beats the gripen in a 1v1 scenario(gripen is better for rb)
Still waiting for Typhoons...2000 years later
This brings me imense joy
As a f14B enjoyer I can agree
sw🤮den
Good.
I would love to see gaijin implement realistic G load restrictions on all airframes. Just to see literally everyone be so confused as to why their wings pop off whenever they take a turn over 7.5Gs.
They also buffed the f-15 on how much it can carry (used to carry 5kg of weapons and now it can carry 7kg of weapons)
I mean this doesn’t change its loadout by too much. It’s loadout options are still pretty limited
Realistically, the F-15J should be the only F-15 to get ground ordnance until the F-15E comes out. Id just be happy gaijin went ahistorical and added ground ordnance to the F-15As.
You can really tell bro is american by the way he is confused by metric lol
@@therealavenger3537 realistically pre MSIP F-15J we have rn shouldn't carry any guided A2G weaponry unlike F-15A which actually tested and was cleared for GBU-8.
@@Texas_Engineer_Mike i'd actually like to see images of that. I havent been able to find any. I'll keep looking.
Finally...
Grippen simps should be glad gaijin didnt go off the full numbers from the report, otherwise they'd really be crying. Honestly didn't think they would do anything from it considering mig posted that ages ago.
But it is currently underperforming though??
This plane needs to be nerfed it is no where it should be this plane turn was off by at least 1 1/2 seconds in a sustained turn
cant wait for the next gripen nerf
I hate gaijin. Where is my G mavericks on my swedesh gripen? Why best mavericks on italian (???) gripen? So stupid and annoying.
so that you buy premiums in the Italian tree now to get it. Then in a year they'll give the Swedish another Gripen with the new mavericks.
yeah gripen is dead tbh it sucks now
REAL!!!
it already underperforms, stop nerfing things just because they're not russian.
4th comment
Indeed
Nerfing it bc too many player cry about not the russian or usa jets are the best for some months. If there is another jet, they instantly need to nerf it bc holymoly,... this is not Russian or US fighter jet.
Muh Tomcat is better
So based!
3:30 gawwwd damn it looked like air Ab for a second....this thing needs an actual nerf
Su-27 on top 🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️💯💯💯💯💯
Gotta keep the Russian bias
womp womp 🥺
If it really was bias then the Russian jets should be hyper maneuverable which they aren’t. They are absolute bricks which is funny because you would expect the American jets to be the bricks but no, they are the maneuverable ones.
@@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960you know that ain’t true, other wise the Russian jets would be maneuverable as hell.
Russian bias is when minor TT can stomp /s
Yeah top teir Russian jets gets good missiles but don't maneuver well, meanwhile American jets have great maneuverability but only slightly worst missiles.