There is actually a later variant of this jet that I really hoped they can bring it into the game one day. J-7G. It is basically a J-7E but even more modernized. It got an usable PD radar, HMD, HOTAS and big screen MFDs. Instead they gave the nobody asked J-7D.
@@JundRaptor Not sure if there's another even better equipped J-7 variant ever build. There are several variant that should be more advanced but never put into production like the side intake J-7CP, collaborated with Grumman Super 7, or the bottom intake J-7MF.
@@TigerOwO Looked it up and apparently the most advanced J-7 is actually their domestic J-7G2, which is upgraded from their Bangladesh export F-7BGI. Functionally it has a stronger radar and can use CFTs compared to the BGI. In game the radar will only be marginally useful since I can't find any evidence that the J-7G2s can use BVR missiles. With an HMD and PL-9s it'll probably be 11.7 br max.
This is one of those planes that if you know... you know. Most people look at it and say "Oh it's just a Chinese MiG-21" By that logic the Su-57 is just a Russian F-22. The KF-21 is just a Korean F-22... you get the point.
I don't know if it changed but afaik the realShatter nerf doesn't apply to APHE. So the APHE rounds will do a lot more damage. I pretty much run ground belts for all my high tier jets these days.
@@GeneralLee2000 I just checked in the armor viewer and APHE still has 15+ fragments while HE has the nerfed realShatter 1-5 fragments. Intentional or not it was a nerf towards nations who don't have APHE in their ground belts.
Gaijin really should of sold the F-7PG instead of the J-7D. I really don't know that Gaijin was thinking selling the J-7D at 11.0 for $70. I just feel bad for anyone who buys that plane.
Its not that bad, i really like the j7d, the flight performance isnt the best at the br, but you still can turn with alot of planes you see, and the combo of the magic's and pl5s is amazing
@@T3hRogue you get a 10.3 airframe with rear aspect only missiles fighting F-16s. The J-7E pulls it off because it has incredible performance. The D feels horrid, and it's even worse considering how stupidly easy the A-5C is to grind in.
There’s the J-7E video I was expecting. Idk if you remember but I was that F-14 on the city map that you obliterated with a PL-5B. Really want to grind this thing out but the A-5C I’ve been using is so brainlessly boring.
@@GeneralLee2000 Yep. Absolutely slammed. Although I did get a nice 2-3 minute one on one fight with an SU-22 beforehand which is nice. Don’t see that too often anymore
man I was just flying around and enjoying this thing 20 minutes ago and now I go on youtube and see you post a vid on it, its such a fun plane and it deserves way more attention than it actually gets
I'm happy you posted this video, I'm currently grinding out the Chinese tree and am about to get the J-7II, which I'm actually looking forward too. However, yesterday I was looking ahead in the line and saw the J-7E and thought, wow, only 60 rounds and rear aspect missiles at 11.0? Meh. But watching this video, I'm looking forward to it. I don't see the J-7E often, but I enjoy aircraft like the F-5E and the F-16, so I think I'll love it!
The definition I give to the J-7E is The Useless Diamond and The Jenitor Fighter. It have a very good airframe and really good Missiles but for me it have very little game impact in a match and your role is pretty much to mop up the left over. Still very good plane tho probably the best 11.0 performance wise. Also if you look for some premium jet to grind Chinese tech tree try the A-5C. It essentially the Mig-19 but havier and have a very good missile at 10.0. it can almost every jet at 9.7-10.3 with the energy retention. Very good jet to grind Chinese tech tree.(and you can use the F-5E or J-7E to grind the rest of the tree)
People tend to understand estimate a5c players who dogfight too because the average player is bombing in them. I don't know if it's Stockholm syndrome but my aim is really solid with those terrible 23mm
3:00 it depends on what aircraft you hit and what part of the aircraft you hit. The problem is not with guns but with damage models overall. For instance, the F-16 has literally paper wings irl (basically that’s the reason why irl it can’t pull more than 10deg of AoA at speed more than 700kph - the wing just snaps), its wing is very thin and has not so many longerons inside the wing so if it gets hit by a single 30mil HE irl it will start living its own life somewhere apart from the plane but in the game F-16’s and other planes with similar thin wings such as the MiG-21, J-7, F-5 can survive multiple hits on the wings Rn there’s the only gun in the game that actually does somewhat realistic damage - it’s French 30mil DEFA
i really never survived "multiple hits" on F-16 or F-5. MiG21s can take a load of punishment and survive enough to return to airfield. The F-5 is no longer the absolute tank it was, I remember when I got it my very first games I would bring the bomb and shoot while dropping it to bomb people mid air, it went from just a yellow belly to losing some part to eventually blowing up. When the F16 came out it was extremely hard to kill it. And I don't think that f16 wings are fragile. AOA and high energy retention in maneuvers don't usually go hand in hand. The F-16 had little angle of attack to increase energy retention at medium high speed while keeping the envelope of flight controlled while also conserving turn rates constant within each speed intervals. Modern aircraft have been designed to have almost constant maneuverability values, like 270 degrees per second of roll rate at 400kmh and 240 degrees per second of roll rate at 1200kmh, 24 degrees per second of turn rate at 500kmh on the deck, and 22 degrees per second at 1000kmh on the deck.
@@kingghidorah8106 you’re partially right and partially wrong. You’re right about energy retention and AoA correlation but still its wing is really fragile. It can roll exceptionally well due to its high aspect ration of the wing which increases resistance to transverse overloads. There’re diagrams for the F-16 (for the A one I believe), one is for max overload that shows that starting form 700kph in turns with more than 10deg of AoA the wing is damaging and in turns with more than 15deg the wing is falling apart (literally) And the other one is for high AoA performance of the plane that shows why there’s a limiter irl. That diagram shows that at 25deg of AoA and higher (25-50deg) the F-16 enters “deep stall” state and in this state elevators don’t work at all cause at these angles there’s no air flow pushing on them and also because the plane is aerodynamically unstable it can’t recover by itself. So once the plane reaches these angles it will keep holding these angles with almost 0 chances to recover until it’s completely stalled. And here we are with the F-16A in the game that pulls 28deg of AoA at 500kph and less aaaand nothing happens I’m sorry, this “topic” could be about the J-7 and in this case about guns and damage models and I opened acan of worms that is the FM’s in our beloved game :D
I'm taking a break from the game, but man, do I want the J-7E tho xd. I've been grinding Germany and MiG-21MF was the most fun to fly for me, even though it has it's drawbacks. But, as someone who won't spend a fucking dime on the game, the grind is atrocious and I have to remember that to avoid the game, lmao. The grind is atrocious. Thanks for the vid, it definitely made me want to fly this piece of metal :D
To think Chinese made a better wing for an interceptor and made it into a proper dogfighter. Why don't all nations whenever they think of using delta wings, they try using double deltas?
what sends me off so much is how people want the f-5e to go back to the BR of this thing while giving this thing Python 3s... china mains are delusional out of ten.
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This plane is technically CyberBullying
True and real!
In this case, bullying is fair
There is actually a later variant of this jet that I really hoped they can bring it into the game one day. J-7G. It is basically a J-7E but even more modernized. It got an usable PD radar, HMD, HOTAS and big screen MFDs. Instead they gave the nobody asked J-7D.
Unfortunately the most advanced J-7s are export models, so if they get added they'll definitely be $75 premiums
@@JundRaptor Not sure if there's another even better equipped J-7 variant ever build. There are several variant that should be more advanced but never put into production like the side intake J-7CP, collaborated with Grumman Super 7, or the bottom intake J-7MF.
@@JundRaptor$85*
@@TigerOwO Looked it up and apparently the most advanced J-7 is actually their domestic J-7G2, which is upgraded from their Bangladesh export F-7BGI. Functionally it has a stronger radar and can use CFTs compared to the BGI.
In game the radar will only be marginally useful since I can't find any evidence that the J-7G2s can use BVR missiles. With an HMD and PL-9s it'll probably be 11.7 br max.
@@JundRaptor lol they said J-7G2 production started back in 2013, which was 2 years after the first flight of the stealthy J-20.
This is one of those planes that if you know... you know. Most people look at it and say "Oh it's just a Chinese MiG-21"
By that logic the Su-57 is just a Russian F-22. The KF-21 is just a Korean F-22... you get the point.
Tip for everyone playing J-7E, use the ground belt with APHE. I had a lot more one-shots with it, good video Lee, keep it up!
I don't know if it changed but afaik the realShatter nerf doesn't apply to APHE. So the APHE rounds will do a lot more damage.
I pretty much run ground belts for all my high tier jets these days.
I'll definitely have to try it, thanks!
@@GeneralLee2000 I just checked in the armor viewer and APHE still has 15+ fragments while HE has the nerfed realShatter 1-5 fragments.
Intentional or not it was a nerf towards nations who don't have APHE in their ground belts.
Can confirm,APHE NR30 *WRECKS.*
Sadly this only ever gets uptiers anymore and while its a fantastic airframe it’s severely limited
Hope they add more j7 variants if they plan on the mig 21 for Britain
Gaijin really should of sold the F-7PG instead of the J-7D. I really don't know that Gaijin was thinking selling the J-7D at 11.0 for $70. I just feel bad for anyone who buys that plane.
Other games: selling overpowered premiums.
War Thunder: Somehow consistently cooking up poor premiums 💀
I've just started my China grind - is it really that bad? I've already had to suffer some bad planes in other nations.
Its not that bad, i really like the j7d, the flight performance isnt the best at the br, but you still can turn with alot of planes you see, and the combo of the magic's and pl5s is amazing
@@T3hRogue you get a 10.3 airframe with rear aspect only missiles fighting F-16s. The J-7E pulls it off because it has incredible performance. The D feels horrid, and it's even worse considering how stupidly easy the A-5C is to grind in.
@@GeneralLee2000 thanks, General! I'll hook up to the A-5 then and hopefully have the tree done by PL-12 time lol
There’s the J-7E video I was expecting. Idk if you remember but I was that F-14 on the city map that you obliterated with a PL-5B. Really want to grind this thing out but the A-5C I’ve been using is so brainlessly boring.
Haha yup I had a feeling that was you. Poor lad 😅
@@GeneralLee2000 Yep. Absolutely slammed. Although I did get a nice 2-3 minute one on one fight with an SU-22 beforehand which is nice. Don’t see that too often anymore
man I was just flying around and enjoying this thing 20 minutes ago and now I go on youtube and see you post a vid on it, its such a fun plane and it deserves way more attention than it actually gets
Very very fun plane
Gotta be at least +15 social credit after this post
I can now buy some bing chilling
As a mirage 2000D-R1 player... the only thing i fear is... the J7E... my god its insane, i had to do a reversal on it to kill it
Oh yeah the J-7E is a monster lmao
I honestly love the J-7E, definitely one of my favourites Migs to play. (Also the crazy fact that it can get a better missile kit is mental)
F5e at 10.7 is my comfort plane while blasting my music
I'm happy you posted this video, I'm currently grinding out the Chinese tree and am about to get the J-7II, which I'm actually looking forward too. However, yesterday I was looking ahead in the line and saw the J-7E and thought, wow, only 60 rounds and rear aspect missiles at 11.0? Meh. But watching this video, I'm looking forward to it. I don't see the J-7E often, but I enjoy aircraft like the F-5E and the F-16, so I think I'll love it!
Yup! It handles very nicely
There will never be a meta without the j7E
I like the j7d, the combo of the magics and pl5's is amazing
Thanks man. Glad i found the channel
The definition I give to the J-7E is The Useless Diamond and The Jenitor Fighter. It have a very good airframe and really good Missiles but for me it have very little game impact in a match and your role is pretty much to mop up the left over. Still very good plane tho probably the best 11.0 performance wise. Also if you look for some premium jet to grind Chinese tech tree try the A-5C. It essentially the Mig-19 but havier and have a very good missile at 10.0. it can almost every jet at 9.7-10.3 with the energy retention. Very good jet to grind Chinese tech tree.(and you can use the F-5E or J-7E to grind the rest of the tree)
The A-5C is simply their best grinder fr
@@GeneralLee2000 A very good fighter even when uptier too(get absolute wreck by F-5E tho)
People tend to understand estimate a5c players who dogfight too because the average player is bombing in them. I don't know if it's Stockholm syndrome but my aim is really solid with those terrible 23mm
skill issue, J-7E is the best jet at its tier
@@collander7766 Didn't say it isn't
Great and entertaining vid Lee, it’s quite the beast in its current setting.
Oh and also Happy Birthday🎉, enjoy the special day :)))
I was going to give you a heart until I opened the read more
@@GeneralLee2000 lmao, suffer! Hahaha
3:00 it depends on what aircraft you hit and what part of the aircraft you hit. The problem is not with guns but with damage models overall. For instance, the F-16 has literally paper wings irl (basically that’s the reason why irl it can’t pull more than 10deg of AoA at speed more than 700kph - the wing just snaps), its wing is very thin and has not so many longerons inside the wing so if it gets hit by a single 30mil HE irl it will start living its own life somewhere apart from the plane but in the game F-16’s and other planes with similar thin wings such as the MiG-21, J-7, F-5 can survive multiple hits on the wings
Rn there’s the only gun in the game that actually does somewhat realistic damage - it’s French 30mil DEFA
i really never survived "multiple hits" on F-16 or F-5. MiG21s can take a load of punishment and survive enough to return to airfield. The F-5 is no longer the absolute tank it was, I remember when I got it my very first games I would bring the bomb and shoot while dropping it to bomb people mid air, it went from just a yellow belly to losing some part to eventually blowing up. When the F16 came out it was extremely hard to kill it. And I don't think that f16 wings are fragile. AOA and high energy retention in maneuvers don't usually go hand in hand. The F-16 had little angle of attack to increase energy retention at medium high speed while keeping the envelope of flight controlled while also conserving turn rates constant within each speed intervals. Modern aircraft have been designed to have almost constant maneuverability values, like 270 degrees per second of roll rate at 400kmh and 240 degrees per second of roll rate at 1200kmh, 24 degrees per second of turn rate at 500kmh on the deck, and 22 degrees per second at 1000kmh on the deck.
@@kingghidorah8106 you’re partially right and partially wrong. You’re right about energy retention and AoA correlation but still its wing is really fragile. It can roll exceptionally well due to its high aspect ration of the wing which increases resistance to transverse overloads.
There’re diagrams for the F-16 (for the A one I believe), one is for max overload that shows that starting form 700kph in turns with more than 10deg of AoA the wing is damaging and in turns with more than 15deg the wing is falling apart (literally)
And the other one is for high AoA performance of the plane that shows why there’s a limiter irl. That diagram shows that at 25deg of AoA and higher (25-50deg) the F-16 enters “deep stall” state and in this state elevators don’t work at all cause at these angles there’s no air flow pushing on them and also because the plane is aerodynamically unstable it can’t recover by itself. So once the plane reaches these angles it will keep holding these angles with almost 0 chances to recover until it’s completely stalled.
And here we are with the F-16A in the game that pulls 28deg of AoA at 500kph and less aaaand nothing happens
I’m sorry, this “topic” could be about the J-7 and in this case about guns and damage models and I opened acan of worms that is the FM’s in our beloved game :D
Double delta dorito destruction
I'm taking a break from the game, but man, do I want the J-7E tho xd. I've been grinding Germany and MiG-21MF was the most fun to fly for me, even though it has it's drawbacks. But, as someone who won't spend a fucking dime on the game, the grind is atrocious and I have to remember that to avoid the game, lmao. The grind is atrocious.
Thanks for the vid, it definitely made me want to fly this piece of metal :D
The only reason i am play J-7E is just because F-5 freedom fighter really pissed me off when i working with A5C
My favorite 11.0 for bullying F4s base bomber
And those pl-5bs are insane in terms of acceleration but kinda meh seeker sometimes
Ur odd
@@mikeyplayzwrld bruhh
Don't tell me that you are one of those bozo with f4S bombing base?
Sup lee unfortunate ur wing flew off last night. Great video!
Thanks for the tip
Yessir
This plane is the reason I stopped playing the F8
happy birthday lee
could you make a video on the phantom FGR2? keep it up!!!
about to unlock it today so this is perfectttttttt
Was in a game with you last night while you were playing this thing
Wassup lee?
Fav jet of the entire game
What software do you use to make the graphs
J7e is an absolute monster
Very much so lol
Am I missing something? My flares pop two at a time
This planes missiles are insane and its a swedish mig 21
Swedish?????
May i ask what youve done to the vehicle nameplates in order to see the vehicle vairiant? (Such as the a10a late vs early)
Would love to know as well
Is that General Lee?!?!?!?
No way!!!
@@GeneralLee2000 What is your opinion on the F-4EJ ADTW :clueless:
Imo this plane is AMAZING in sim, and you dont even face 12.0 jets because the brackets are 10.7-11.7
Ooh that's a good point
did u ever find out what munting is?
+20 社会信用 for spreading our glorious agenda, good job fellow citizen
To think Chinese made a better wing for an interceptor and made it into a proper dogfighter. Why don't all nations whenever they think of using delta wings, they try using double deltas?
wazzup beijing
idk what matchmaking u get but in the EU I get full uptiers 75% of the time
This would be a good jet to talisman, right?
Very IMO, I did
just unlocked this
goog video
Thank you!
J-7E is really good plane but unfortunetely in Chinese tt.
Give it radar missiles or move it to 10.7
It doesn't even have proper radar
at 10.7 it is oppenheimer
@@sonwig5186 at 11.3 It is coughing baby
@@antonisashitteragain6993 J7E could be 11.7 and still be good.
@@sonwig5186 at dogfight my money is on it, not at bvr
wait untill you get j7f xD
(Incorrectly)
Double dorito
No radar?
It gets a radar gunsight?
It has a radar gun sight I think but I just turn it off.
Really funny how this plane would have faced F-15C’s with AMRAAMS and it was added to face F4’s.
welcome to war thunder
Hi lee
Yo wassup?
@GeneralLee2000 nothing much just playing f14 and spaming phoenix's lmao
yooo
32 seconds ago, les' go
Speed demon
First!
I mean... technically I was first
what sends me off so much is how people want the f-5e to go back to the BR of this thing while giving this thing Python 3s... china mains are delusional out of ten.
I dont like this jet at all