The POST NERF JAS39C Is Still Bussin
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- Опубликовано: 26 дек 2023
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Fuel: 20 minutes + droptank
Ammo: Default
Missiles 6x 9M
Countermeasures: Mixed
Convergence: 600 meters
Vertical Targeting: No
Crew: maxed (lvl 75) + Ace
Outro: A.N.O. - Vanish
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Pro: Gripen
Con: Britain
Typhoon coming next year tho
@@mrcaboosevg6089 imma grind germany or italy for that shit ngl
Technically South Africa
@@molstad182there’s also the Hornets and Super Hornet of Australian vehicles get added to UK
@@molstad182 The British Typhoon is the best one by quite a margin though
The skill required to win a 3v1 above their airfield. Absolutely breathtaking
Oh I'm taking lessons from this for sure.
The skill required to just let missiles play the game for you.
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Show us how you do what Defyn does every third match!
@@janchovanec8624 still no plane with air-to-air missiles, but once I get them I'll be sure to upload it for you.
Edit: I've got a jet with aims and I've uploaded the clips so far. See for your yourself I guess. More to come maybe?
Repent 😘
Keeping them energy trapped on the runway 😂
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1:29 first cut I've seen where the enemy dies, not him. I'm sure it was a beautiful reversal nonetheless!
The f15s wings reversed him lol
Wdym the enemy always dies
@@DEFYNreal
defyn has never died in the game wdym
@@DEFYN *knocked out. Nobody ever dies in warthunder. War is a family friendly place.
The comprehensive breakdown of the airfield 1v3 is probably the best advice I've ever gotten in this game. Thank You. Hopefully that's the only time it ever happens and no one actually has to put the advice into practice.
A lot of these clips highlight just how insanely chaotic top tier is and how they need to either drastically spread out teams or reduce high tier match sizes. Being able to auto dump flares is a huge advantage and allows you to focus your energy elsewhere
hear me out. 6v6 or 8v8. but everyone gets one respawn and can bring in 2 planes
@@shulminsama3820 reduce players in a match won’t do anything. 16 vs 16 is fine. I’m not about to spend 10 min flying looking for one person.
well when you make countermeasures to be about 10 times as effective than IRL makes everyone able to just run in and spam flares / chaff and play insanely agressive ...
if missiles and countermeasures worked as they should flares would be about 50/50 chance of survival and chaff would be basically only there for emotional support
of course that would make matches in these tiny maps and dozens of planes a total clustercluck ...
8v8 with proper modelling for radar missiles and countermeasures on maps at least 5 times the size would be how it whould have been since F-4E and MiG-21 were the top dogs ...
make the spawns closer and have airspawns. easy. 16v16 is fun for props and early jets, but after 9.0 it gets too much because of missles, supersonic flights. if realistic battles want to be more realistic and more fun then have a reduced playercount with modern planes (like how it is irl) is better and alot of the community agrees@@giovaniiniguez3783
@@shulminsama3820more than one spawn in arb has been a huge curiosity of mine for years, I bet it would make for actual smart matches.
4:34 quick flashbang to keep people watching at night on their toes
the one thing that actually scared him was a stationary yak141 lol, and "that" 3v1 was amazing, mad skills
cant wait for the next installment of this series when the thrust gets reduced 20%
Yeah people just need to get a grip 💀
From discussions I read the gripen is getting more thrust at low speed and less at high speed, but since the gripen is supposedly currently performing correctly in acceleration, drag should be reduced as well.
You predicted the future, though drag got reduced
That 3v1 was wild good stuff Defyn
love the content as always
SO HAPPY you did a vid about it cuz I'm grinding it rn so I know what to expect.
That 3v1 was special
that f-15 reversal and 3 v1 and 2 were su-27's!!! great stuff
Man i hate when someone kills me in a similar situation, but the three vs one with th su27??? Absolute comedy
su27 pilots are all idiots in my experience. Going in to rate fight F16s and gripen because hurr durr muh supermaneuverable superior vatnik missile sled
*Gaijin accidentally giving Britain something that doesn't suck* - "We can't have that now can we!"
I effing LOVE those cuts lmao. I’m so sorry you lost that footage.
The deadpan commentary during the 3v1 was funniest shit in a while.
I would say they need more top tier games designed around modern air combat
for example: 8 v 8 air superiority -> hold air superiority over X massive region of the battlefield for 10 minutes. And you'd be rewarded for forcing enemy players to leave the region, while enemy players are rewarded for time spent in the region (essentially like "capping" a point)
RADAR tracking and coverage should could for a lot as activity points.
all in all, it would make the gameplay way slower and "more boring" so it will never happen. But hey, you could add stuff like strike/interception missions as well to make it more interesting
That airfield commentary was priceless
your edits where it just cuts off a fraction of a second after shit hits the fan are gold
Yet again South Africa improves Britain big tungsten
1:28 bro reversed the F-15 so perfectly that they saw their future and just killed themself early to avoid the shame
Darn! That was great flying Defyn. Very enjoyable. You've got an uncanny ability to switch to and from defensive to attack, faster than the enemy moves. You'll be the terror in the sky when the Rafale and the Eurofighter come out. Cheers!
6:17 no way these three bozos dumped all their speed like that....
You should try to come from above somewhere about 15k ft at high speed then dive in the furball and start to blast as many missiles as possible. Some kind of classic boom and zoom, but at supersonic speed.
I love ur vids man it's so funny when u insta switch to another match when something goes wrong XD
The airfield bit, dude 😂
Once you mentioned energy trapped I understood the sarcasm 🍻
Defyn, do you have any tips for the F15J matchmaker, because i always end up with America against the Grippens (aka instant lose), i tried teamming up with my brother playing china and it is a little bit better, we also started playing on the NA server (also improving the matchmaking a little) but it's still pretty painfull
I’m playing the f15A 🥲🥲 was so excited for one of my favorite planes and yeaaah got a reality check.
Have a nice day Defyn
Looks fun! Good I have UK rank 5 researched. Now I only need to grind through some hunters and phantoms... On the other hand perhaps I should start researching Sweden.
Flying Viking got skills!
No wonder the swedish took the licencse from south africa and copied it. This thing is nuts!
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What?
Tf u talking about
Hope this is just some weird sort of sarcasm…
This shit be an SR-71 the way it flew over y’alls’ heads like that
Nice vid - would you not recommend taking the skyflashes then?
ive been tryin to look up how you get the missles heat seeking circle to fallow where you free look can you help me with what setting that is?
The Gripen solves the UK's top tier vehicle problem, now we just need something to grind to it, in my opinion the good jets stop at 8.7 with the Swift F.7.
The issue could easily be solved if Gaijin gave us the good shit that we built, such as the Gnat, Superswift, replacing the Hunter f.1 with the f.4 and many other things.
Giving us the Swiss hunter instead of Germany.
@@cookiecraze1310 That or instead giving us the Omani/Singaporean Hunter FGA.74B which is a Hunter F.6 with 2-4 extra pylons for AIM-9P's and flares but no guided ordinance.
I think Germany got the Swiss Hunter so that they can later get the Swiss F-18, which I haven't got an issue with but they should've added a British Hunter at the same time too.
Today i completed the research of the grippen using the phantom fgr2.
And to get to the phantom i used the sea harrier frs.1
Problem is the grind.
IRL the RAF went from Phantom to Harriers and Tornado before Typhoon
@@pogo1140 Yep definitely, but I don't just see it as a top tier problem, but a problem with the entire tree. The tree has had the worst options possible selected. For example the Swedish hunter is the same br as the Hunter F.1, but its an F.4 airframe with 2 extra aim-9B's.
The UK needs the gnat, a better hunter, and some of the prototype aircraft we built. Whilst yes the RAF irl had huge jumps in capability, the UK still built a lot of aircraft and prototype aircraft that we do not see in-game.
The gap from phantom to typhoon I don't even see as the biggest issue, that would be rank 6 with no decent fighter. The gap from phantom to typhoon would be okay if the phantoms got the AIM-9L's, also now the gripen is there but it could've just as easily been the BAE EAP to bridge that gap.
The UK also does not have a SAAF tree so what was the point in adding the subtree. If we got an air-tree we could get things like the Atlas Cheetah at 11.0.
The grind of the tree is just horrible and there's so few good aircraft when other options exist. I could make a huge list of aircraft i'd have replaced or added.
How to fight top tier jets with MiG-23ML?
1) Equip R-24T.
2)Switch Radar to IRST.
3)Fly weird angles close to ground to keep out of sight.
3)Lock Unsuspecting Top Tier Jets.
4)Enjoy free kills.
5)Die from random missile spam.
6)Repeat.
how is jaktviggen nawadays ? last time i played it was the topdog? and it seems to have alot stronger engine then this new gripen ?
What jet would be best to get to grind out the German air tech tree.
The mig21 or the tornado? Both 11.0
The Gripen made top tier fun again for me lol
6:00 great 1v3 indeed
The flare count is the best thing about the gripen ngl
This has def been a play to get used to for me, I cam from playing a huge amount of fgr2 so it hurts me haha. Also doesn't rhe saaf have a internal start battery so like is slightly heavier or do they not model that?
All gripens have internal starters. The whole point of the gripen was needing very little peripherals to get it up and running
@@jaxastro3072 thought the A didn't, I may be remembering something wrong^^ always love learning about them:3
@@GothicHellhoundYou may be thinking of the APU that the C has? :)
Yo the video finally came out I remember grinding in the f4s and being smacked by one of your 9m’s. Have a great day Defyn:)
little correction, the yak141 does have an hmd
too bad it doesn't get R-73s. i'm grinding for it right now, but it seems rather useless considering it can only hold 4(?) missile and not even 4 27ERs at the same time
@@joesmoe4778 It is not useless at all, my go to loadout is 2x 27ER and 2x 27R. If you know what you are doing you can slap alot of people out of the sky because they dont know how to fight it properly.
@@kreassen6930 I’ll give it a try once I get through the stock grind. I’m about to unlock it today.
I feel like if you have less than 10 pops of countermeasures split you shouldn't face too many high g all aspect missiles, and if you have less than 30-40 pops of countermeasures split then you shouldn't face anything that's hard to flare (irccm missiles and some others).
Cant wait for the Mirage 2000 spam at top tier once the Winter Event is over! (I can farm kills)
If you ever do more props, do you think you could do a video on the Mk 24 spit? How to fight jets with it? Feels like a BnZ dodge simulator where I never catch anyone.
Average La-9 match.
he said if you are seeing a jet and they know what they are doing you are boned
Never stop the dutch mountain jokes
that must've been the toughest 3v1 i've ever seen xD
When is the motorbike channel coming?
DEFYN do you think that they will change the su27s flight model and give it good maneuverability and slightly better energy retention or is it going to be a brick forever
Once Everyone get their ARH missiles, they might aswell buff it. Otherwise, we have to wait for later variants
@@icantsleepman I really hope we don’t have to wait for the thrust vectoring variants for them to have good agility but I also can understand why they don’t buff the fm because it would be so overpowering if it was more “realistic”
@AvoidGN Naah I doubt we have to wait that long and in the end the Su-27 does have pretty good maneuverability it just doesn't have the energy retention to back it up. And I think the Main reason Gaijin keeps nerfing russian FM's is because of the R-73. That missile alone can win you dogfights
US mains would start bitching about Russian bias and review bomb gaijin if they even think about buffing the Su-27.
Flanker flight model feels really good? If you learn to manage your speed it's insane against everything you merge with.
And it is about damn time too!!!
honestly I like this update due to the mostly minnimal power creep (there is some but F16's mirage2k's and mig 29's are still competitive in most aspects) and it rotated the meta from missiles to flight performance... I assume the grippen is probably the meta plane RN just due to the combo of flight performance and countermeasure amount but I would love to hear your thoughts
Su-27 is the meta. It has 10 missiles, including the best IR and radar missiles in the game.
The power creep already existed
Playing 11.0 or 11.3 is impossible
You are in mid 3rd generation planes up against 4th gen aircraft that can dunk on you anytime they choose
We need decompression
Why would I play a fat and useless mig having the su 27 😂
bornonthebattlefront yes the power creep is already here but it has not been majorly increased by this update (personally I think it is worst in stuff like the F100D F104 and mig19 because they blow everything outta the water with their performance but fight crazy missiles) I think we should have more BR's (14-15.0) the SU27 is the low skill floor meta the grippen is probably the high skill floor meta as shown in this video also SU27 is the fattest and not quite the worst flight performance but even a mig 29 (non SMT) would rinse it in a dogfight
@@bornonthebattlefront4883I've been playing the FG1 11.3 phantom and I've actually been clapping everyone and anyone so hard atm for some reason
last guy roleplaying as an air ballon was goat 😁😁
lol! "Keep them energy trapped" and they are just landed on the runway.
@:6:10 Defyn, stay you, funniest commentary in the history of WT
You were smirking LMFAO
Hi, could you do a guide to properly paly at top tier ? i can do well until like 11.0 with the right plane but i'm completely getting my butt kicked trying to spade my Mirage F1, and i see you manage to alway to make work any plane even if you say it's not good. That'll be amazing, thanks
Defyn, do you have any tips for the f15?? I got it got all the missiles in sim but I’m just constantly getting dunked on. It’s extremely frustrating and I don’t know what I’m doing wrong.
Stay fast, see how you can avoid missiles (aim9-m really ez) and stay aware
@@Palpatine_e_sua_geminha really only having issues with the 27er and 73 lol
I made 2 videos on it
Nothing id say there that i wont here
Completely spade the flight performance and weapons
if your like me and played the Harrier Gr.7 the speed bleed is something you have had to deal with before
True, I literally fly the gripen the same as a Harrier GR7 but with way more aggression.
Is there any reason you dont really shoot aim9ms in head ons?
Hello Which ammunition cartridge should we choose for Russian propeller-driven fighter planes? I would be very happy if it helps. Thank you.
hell ya dood
Before Eurofighter Brits can still get CF-18 from Canada or Australian F-18
Damn, too bad recording issues stopped us from seeing the F-15 reversal.
6:30 perfect commentary lmao..
I mean considering irl its kindof an 4.5 generation fighter. this makes sense against only 4 gen aircraft
I think they were smoking crack at Gaijin when they decided to give Britain the C and Sweden the A.
DEFYN the swedish one doesn't have hmd, right?
Both do
What do you have your periodic countermeasures set to?
1 second
@@DEFYN thank you!
Instead of buying the ML i just quickly unlocked the MLD and put a talisman on it. I have not been disappointed
Gripen still gripping
V tol spin blade is cool 😅
How do some missiles ignore flares? Is it just because they didn't cover the engines?
Aim9M, r73 and magic2 have built in flare resistence
6:45 aBsOlUtElY BoNkErS performance lol
Average F-15 gameplay at 1:27
I just bought the mig23ML, can you do a guide on how to use t?
Yak 141 does have HMD
Shhhh don’t let the snail know it’s still good
They don’t even call it the typhoon
35 years of Gripen in 2023
the only issue is that it's.... in britain 😩
Absolutely ridiculous mig 23s and phantoms have to fight this
Why don't you use vertical targeting? What's the actual point of it?
I saw the previous title.
The worst part with this whole Gripen thing is that, in the current matchmaker if you play israel you're gonna suffer against the JAS39 Menace, you will be paired against Sweden every damn time *cries in Kurnass 2000*
bruh 1:24 😂
"And the F-4ej immediately eats shit" God that is so true. I hated that plane.
Me when another nerf is right around the corner
i was suprised when i saw you take 20 mins of fuel + tank. i take min fuel + tank and i dont have problems. and its not because i die too quickly, i often last whole matches (although matches are quite short nowadays)
I have most fun trying to carry so I dont mind comprimising early game if it means I can try to 1v4 later
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Thanks for noticing the suffering of top tier brit
Grip grip
I have a question, is the German Typhoon really gonna be added next year?
In my opinion, most likely end of the year or 2025. But who know what next decisions gaijin will be making.
probably next year along with the British/Italian ones
Thank you both, I guess I'll get the Mig-21 Lazur if the Christmas sales are still on .. gotta grind the German tree now
Can you do the premium Yak 38 pls
So.... What is the most fun aircraft now at top tier?
Most fun? Gripen or M4K. Most fun if you like meta vehicles, Su 27.
Gripen is the most fun in a memey sense, you're extremely hard to kill for other players, but sometimes you do feel a little useless with 6 9ms. Obviously the su-27/ j-11 is gonna be more meta fun with 10 of the most effective missiles in game.
@@areyou0k98 the thing that makes the Gripen abit eh is the "small" amount of missiles, not the quality. 9M's are still joint first with the R73 for the best short range missile (9M has a worse IRCCM but better range and smokeless motor, R73 has the joint best IRCCM with the Magic 2 and the best manoeuvrability but worse range and can be easily seen)
Yh, idk why most keep as much energy as possible if some aircraft, that only works at corner speeds and for specific aircraft, F-5E, F-16's, F-15's, F-14B, Gripen and m2k, you can use energy as an advantage, as for the mig23's, f4's, viggen's those aircraft's corner speeds suuuuuck. Meaning even tho they might have a decent sustained (20° or higher) the radius of that turn is also just as important, there is a reason the gripen can sometimes just sit inside your turns, it's because even tho the f16 (example) has 22° sustained, and the gripen has 21° sustained, both aircraft are at different speeds to do this effectively and also have a different radius, gripen, slightly worse, but a tighter radius, f16, better sustained, but slightly worse radius.
God damn it! So many noob counts are getting prems and I can’t play war thunder because I am travelling😒
Did not stop me from getting one MiG23 myself do😊
J9 early review soon I assume?
The gripen in SIM is insane.
The gripens tws iff radar makes sim easy mode especially with the aim 9m, infinite flares, and very forgiving flight controls.
Very new to sim, not very good at it but I was getting missile and guns kill in the gripen like nothing.
@@areyou0k98 I don’t have the aircraft yet but from what I seen in most matches the just farm kills
My first sim game ever was in this thing and I went 15 kills to 2 deaths. It's so fun to fly in sim.
@@Nox_Desiree I’m not surprised tbh 😂