Yeah good luck. I’ve got it spaded and it cannot compete anymore. The lack of arh missles has essentially made it irrelevant now. Up close it can still perform, especially with r73. But the r27 is no longer top dog
And I just unlocked the 29g. Glad I didn't waste the sl buying it. They should lower its br to 12.3 max. And b4 u usa mains cry "but r73" there are planes at 11.0 with r73 so your complaint is invalid.
@@saintfan416 not really, any 27er carrier is fine because you can still win against fox3s due to it's insane speed, the f14 is okay aswell, rest are fucked
@@ИванМатвеев-й2р the 27 doesn’t matter tho. You have to maintain lock with it. As Germany we have 40 chaff brother. That ain’t enough for 16v16. With having to maintain lock, 3 jets can lock, fire, and forget you. It’s not balanced. It’s not even close.
Yeha and especially with the new changes to multipathing. The community thinks the solution to adding better radar missiles is to make dodging them even harder
This problem should be easily solve with adding 2 ARH/SARH stock for every thing above 11.3 but knowing Gaijin if community didnt push hard enought they probably don't care and those who don't pay GE or Premuim will have to suffer try to stock grind anything top tier(ANYTHING)
@@EricThyKaiser KWS is the correct designation for this variant actually. ICE simply stands for the english translation of "Kampfwertsteigerung". And yes, it was sarcasm, that is literally what "/s" means.
@@grahaldmills5930 If you're f2p it takes about 4x as long to grind, and if you dont play every week or even every day it can easily take 4 years to grind to top tier regardless of skill level. Especially if you don't just play a single nation.
@@DEFYN Eh, it is pretty bad. You're cherry picking the good matches where it somewhat actually works. Go stock and tell me you have a fun time hugging 3's defensive flying all match while up in the sky the missile ejaculator gets to play the game because he is graced with good missiles. Meanwhile just like you showed bvr requires fuck all skill wise. You shoot you dodge, you get rng'd, you rng, this shit will get stale real fast. The fact people called f14 missile ejaculation good gameplay over dogfighting is a fucking comedy in and off itself. They complain all year long about br compression then want the singular thing that gave lower matched planes a fighting chance due to the always inevitable furball that ensued, gone 🤦♀. Sometimes this community deserves Gajob.
Interesting fact: because back in the dev when they test Fox-3 they use AIM-120B on the F-16. So even right now all US 13.0 get AIM-120A and there are actually a AIM-120B on the Tornado, these AIM-120A on US planes still have a "AIM-120B" marking on its model
@@InTheMood-fi3bh The same way we dealt with Aim-54 spam when that first came out. Find some terrain and hope for the best. Being in a MiG-21 SMT during that time was genuinely cancerous
@@theostrichbird9021 Phoenixes are microwaved dogshit compared to the amraams, now I'm struggling with a stock F-16C without chaff, notching perfectly and flying so low that I have to dodge the local wildlife AND I STILL GET NAILED BY 3 AIM-120'S IN A ROW. Meanwhile their gameplay is to fly up at the start, lob all of their loadout in our general direction then stand up and go to the toilet, because the kills are guaranteed.
@@theostrichbird9021 I perfectly understand how to noch and shit, but I cant fight back, missiles are outa range, and even they they are a 1 or 2 flare. and they are always too far for guns
Playing the F15A this morning while I grinded for the C ruined my day. Impossible to get anything done other than going defensive for every lock and launch and having no ability to be offensive in the slightest. This meta is going to be brutal for any plane without ARH missiles
For anyone who doesn’t have fox 3s on any jet they own to grind with its fucking miserable I can’t even imagine the stock grind I’ve just decided to grind at 11.0 grind my stupid little plane just to not use it
What do you expect? This game isn't a hardcore simulator, but it is based on real aircraft with real weapons systems. Modern air combat is fought with missiles. The game mode is called "Realistic Air Battles." This is what realistic air battles look like. If you don't *like* it that's OK but there is plenty of close in dogfighting to be had at other BRs, whether you go with mid-war props or early jets or 3rd gen fighters.
@@wmouse maybe because this isn’t dcs and the majority of people don’t want to play BVR in their super cool fast maneuverable jet, and they want to live out their top gun wet dreams by actually dogfighting. BVR IS BORING, but it should have its place. Bring back multipathing
Finally caught your upload somewhat soon. Just wanted to tell you your content is great and I'm convinced I'd still be getting -SL every AIR RB match if I didn't go absolutely sicko mode on your guides and stuff. Keep it up pal
It was the same before this update. At least now there are some people going high and doing bvr. Ground hugging and constant furball dogfighting is lame.
I want to stress to people. This is not DCS. You do not NEED to use TWS. TWS does not guarantee a kill. TWS is useful for finding and tracking targets without alerting them. But you can just as easily lock and launch and get kills in regular PD search mode
Tws lets you fire at multiple targets, and tws doesn’t give them an rwr warning so tws is a very good mode to be in, if you aren’t using tws in a bvr fight then you are at a disadvantage
The fact that so many people GE rushed to get the planes and spade them for the Fox-3's is canser, it's made the top tier experience unplayable if you are actually grinding the modules of a plane. And why the ever loving sh*t would they put a Phantom at 11.7?!
Considering how dominant FOX-3s are, it's fucking criminal that FOX-1s aren't part of the stock kit. The F-15C comes with a pair of AIM-9Ms (rather than a full loadout of them) as stock, but even that's barely enough. For your first 10 games, you're gonna be stuck groundpounding against light vehicles because you don't even get bombs stock. It's just so messy for no reason other than frustrating players into paying to skip the grind.
Having Gripen A makes very little sense to me at the moment, depending on the map i can get reasonable results but if there is no terrain cover im just defending all the time unless i get a sneaky flank going on. still 700k rp for aim-120's so fun. really tempted to just GE the C model lol
Im honestly really shocked defyn said the change is bad since now you actually have to use real tactics to evade missiles Of all people i would have expected him to support the change
@@ferrous3262 You can say the same thing about evading radar missiles too Multipathing lets you just fly under 100m in a straight line doing nothing else and the missile just goes dumb Imo theres nothing skilled about that
Even worse than the SHIFT + A, SHIFT + D changes which countermeasures are released by default (mixed/only flare/only chaff) so I died randomly 3 or 4 times shitting only chaffs against IR missiles
@@platinumbridge Honestly as much as I hate gajin and their stupid decisions, I really hope the game won't die anytime soon. low to Mid tier is still quite enjoyable, if you don't go passt 8.0 or even 10.0 you'll have some fun.
@@platinumbridge I don't want to create misunderstanding! I'm also enjoying a lot Wt right now...i've played It since the First versions...top tier was the f86 and the mig9/15...back then i was dreaming about playing with the f14...now that we have all of the modern jets feels like something Is missing...playing Just for the grind you know...
so far ive constantly been getting spiked by invisible ARH missiles, they dont show diamonds anymore above them and the multipath is definetly not 60 meters, feels more like 20
@@michaelc9155 i know that smokeless missiles were always harder to spot, but SARH and ARH missiles were visible within a few km range when the engine was already off before they would hit you, that is now completely gone
Amraams never had a long burn time, missile in wt only get the marker if the engine is burning. The older sarh and phoenix had longer burn times so the diamond is pretty much always present. @IceGuadian
Pro tip: it’s generally not ideal to fire more Fox-3s on TWS at a time(until they reach terminal homing) than your datalink can keep track of. Only really a problem on aircraft like the MiG-29SMT, Su-27SM, and J-11A. They can datalink 2, 2, 1 missiles at once respectively.
@@DEFYNYeah I forgor about that. F-15C can track 8, F-16C can now track 6, and J-11 can only track 1 lol. It’s only really the MiG-29SMT and Su-27SM now that can only datalink 2 at once. Not sure about the tornado. Ima edit the comment so I don’t do the classic War Thunder player spreading misinformation activity :)
@@Boris_The_Turtle My TWS never seems to behave enough to use it properly. I try to crank and all that and the missiles just, never go where I intended with the TWS spasming out.
@@Kompotamus It’s probably a product of how janky TWS behaves and the missile running out of speed at range. The last time I remember TWS working properly was on the Danger Zone update. TWS nowadays on all the radars randomly veers off the enemy aircraft you are tracking, and starts tracking literally nothing. Sometimes even locks air molecules for some reason. When the TWS is being troublesome, you may prefer hard locking a target to fire the missile.
love this new update, everything is broken, f15c in sim shoots out 30 flares if you click the button once, sometimes it decides to shoot out some chaff on top of the 30 flares, i'll just take that as the plane being secure and keeping me alive
I’m not going to lie. This update seems like it’s going to force people at top tier to have more dynamic piloting skills. Also, I noticed waaay more people flying high and almost no one hugging the ground. I feel like it makes the game far more “realistic” the ground hugging META IS DEAD!!!!
can the AIM-54C even compete with them new Fox-3 ? I'm pretty sure IRL a Phoenix would still be dangerous, but it's slower and less agile than an AIM-120A... we will see, I love the Tomcat, and I don't think I'll leave it now
At least in DCS it sort of can. AIM54 has crazy range but worse guidance than the newer missiles so if you use the range and avoid getting into range of the other missiles it can work. If you get in range of the newer stuff though, you're at a big disadvantage.
Now you actually need knowledge and skill to play top tier. Multipathing was a much needed change. People are so mad that they can’t hug the ground and create stail gameplay. Sounds like a skill issue.
The smaller lobbies feature is also broken, I only got into one match that wasn't 16v16 and it was 12v12. Thanks Gaijin very cool. I think I'm going to leave top tier air RB for the time being.
How is it broken? The feature is implemented nearly the same as night battles, where you opt into the queue, but that only means there’s a chance of 12v12, you won’t be placed in an exclusively 12v12 matchmaker.
@@pieisawesome2204 I meant it's absolute dogwater to begin with. It does absolutely nothing to ameliorate the utter chaos that is 16v16. They might have just not added it in the first place. It's hollow. It should be the other way around 7v7 should be the norm and people should be able to choose to play 16v16.
Welp, guess that mean most of the player base wants 16 vs 16 (bcos it means not many are opting into 12 v 12 and smoller, not bcuz its broken). But yes continue drinking that koolaid.
@@platinumbridge I doubt it. I think most people just forgot to enable it, because it's not exactly obvious how to do it, if you are not deliberately looking for it. No sane person likes 16v16 in top tier. Only masochists.
@@ibum4908 haha smaller team sizes as a option is a joke. This update is worst in terms of being playablr than all thoes sheninagans when f14 was being added. Its fucking horrible
The fuckin scream of redditors with a subway surfers and Belle Delphine OF, when they can't fight in a furball and throw missiles from 5km anymore. Music to my ears. Yes fuckers, time to learn BVR and play properly. If not, Ace Combat awaits
I noticed the Shift-A while playing with a prop, I couldn't really find what used that binding so I just unbound most Jet related keys. With a prop it stopped me from making a left roll while still pressing shift for throttle.
Imho this is the peak of dogshit gameplay in general,its just not entertaning and satisfying anymore in my case,like when I got my first top jet I was so excited, but now I just dont even want to start the match,so the only thing I will do is just research new harrier because Ive waited for it so long and get outta this place
for sim players: if you want to avoid the 120's or 77's you can turn off your radar (so their rwr doesn't see you) and hit the deck and get close enough to the thing you wanna kill turn your radar back on, shoot your missile, radar back off, knotch 90 and watch your 120/77 destroy whatever you just shot at
What's the go-to tactic for people using the F-15A trying to unlock planes with Fox3 missiles? I feel very overwhelmed by the power difference between SARH and ARH missiles
in practice, however, it's just about as torturous as having your balls be microwaved, frozen, evaporated and liquified all at the same time. good job, reddit warrior
@@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960 Nah, thats what it was like before the mp nerf. It feels a little more like realistic battles now as opposed to it feeling like arcade. Still needs 8v8 though.
I feel like I'm going crazy, watching your gameplay just looks like total brainrot to me. How can anyone find slinging missiles at random squares and never even seeing an enemy jet fun?
if you never see an enemy jet in 16v16 air RB then you must be the one constantly crashing on takeoff. Every game devolves into Call of duty with planes within about three minutes. just low alt, furball cancer.
@@Red_Lion2000 why shouldnt i be able to in jets? People do all the time in customs and it's incredibly fun and rewarding, aside from no actual rewards and fighting the same enemy over and over
Defyn can you share what your keybinds are for: - switching between radar modes/scopes (PD/TWS, but also radar/IRST + HMD/ACQ) - are you using a keybind to switch ranges? - locking radar targets - switching lock in TWS - cycling thru ordnance/missiles - countermeasures - anything important I'm forgetting I feel like my keybinds are a total mess after years of just shoving shit onto the M+KB. I'd like to optimize my binds to improve efficiency.
"Surely one day, I can watch this video again and get a sense of this high/top tier jet fighter and how to use it when i finally get it, right?" - A Free2Play gamer, currently stuck on the F8fF-1, researching the F4U-1C.
Speaking of patch-day all the laser auto-trackers are broken or non can lock-on now, and i have to manually guide the GBUs, Mavericks, Hellfires, Kh-29L ... u name it, aka any laser guided air-to ground weapons. Also i don't think the AMRAAMs can justify the high BR on planes like the AV-8B - doesn't even has data-link -, (not to mention that by the time and suffering u unlock fox3s on planes like the Tornado U'd never want to fly that plane ever again), but we'll see.
DCS Players in WT after Update: _"This is great, I can finally play modern jets the correct way!"_ Average WT Players after Update: _"I can't hug the ground anymore, this is horrible!"_ WT Top Tier Stock Grinders: *_~"All Around Me are Familiar Faces, Worn Out Faces..."~_*
Thx for the vid, helped a lot ! I noticed the Mirage 2000-5f now lacks the MAR (again thank you because I didn't know that it was called before). Do you know what M.A.R stands for ?
This missles have poor realiability on the seeker if you do propely 90° you need about 2 or 3 chaffs to disable the AIM120's when they start tracking you, but if it take a lead, You will have nightmares. By the way at 5:00 was a very nice fight.
It was astonishing how many players don't actually know how to defend against fox 3s... You literally get the MSL RWR warning on your nose, yet they still dive forward. Took out many people today still doing the fly low "meta"
hey defyn! hope all is well in the beautiful Netherlands, I am saying hello from London and Kosovo! I have two quick questions: what settings do you use for graphics/what are your specs and why is the Vulcan the best gun at top tier? ps: if anyone else can answer please do as I know defyn is super busy! have a great day to you all
Every new "feature" from the past few years has been something that the paint sniffers just demand blindly without spending even 5 minutes to consider that the gameplay has never really been updated since air battles in 2014 with just prop planes. And sure enough, the new feature is great for people that eat paint chips because they don't even have any jets yet. But for the rest of us, it makes the game that much worse. Every. Single. Update
Me watching this while im still researching the Japanese f86f -30 sabre and not understanding anything about how radars work and not having enough keybinds for it because i play on console:
unbound that new menu partway through my first match post-update, it's less than useless to me, especially since I have missiles bombs and rockets all bound to different buttons and am already comfortable with the secondary weapon cycling when it comes up. Strikes me as a console player feature.
Yup the same B.S. hap[pened to me with the Shift + A got me smacked right into the ground straight dumb@$$ I didn't even think about changing it until this happened to me. I couldn't even hit esc to get out of the mode so it assisted in me eating dirt even though I don't think that's my fault but I took the blame because I was stupid enough to not go and look at keybinds before starting to play.
shit + a(sshole) got me killed as well, immediately removed that keybind. Since when does gaijin do that where they add keybinds and already bind them (on stupid keys) for you?
Yeah well, I started a new Minecraft server with my friends a couple of days ago. I watched this to see if the F-15C is worth taking a break from it… yeah nope Minecraft with my bois it is. This new top tier looks even worse than the last one
I like the multipathing nerf, but it needed to come with smaller team sizes. At least people cant just fly low to be 100% safe anymore, now shit planes with decent missiles like the tornado and new harrier are actually playable.
I can't wait for the defyn Cranking, notching, Jelqing & Jorking guide.
Fr 💀
Lmao
That menu feature is room temp IQ. Thanks Gaijin
All this update is room temp IQ
the kelvin K?
left shift is the key I have to switch to sim controls, so pressing shift for me ain't that bad but kinda bad too
@@kingghidorah8106what do you use for throttle then?
left shift for me is pitch up, when the update drops my mother fucking controls locked up when im trying to dodge a head on for fucks sake and died
Yeah man cool. Talk about how to dodge them but now go play the gripen A for 8 hours and stock grind the gripen C too and well see how you feel
Just got the mig29g a few days ago still mostly stock. boy will this be fun
Yeah good luck. I’ve got it spaded and it cannot compete anymore. The lack of arh missles has essentially made it irrelevant now. Up close it can still perform, especially with r73. But the r27 is no longer top dog
@@saintfan416 I´m using the Mig29 at 12.0 and the R27ER is top dog at that BR. Don´t go above that BR to avoid Fox3s
@@SebastianS-dt2fh yeah that’s the point. Nobody is arguing that. Go above 12.0 and see what happens. We are talking about the 29g broski not the 29
My issue is whenever im within 45km i get about 16 missile launch warnings, i cant even get close to the battle before defending
Did they scuff non fox 3 top tier jets?
Yeah non fox enabled jets are no longer viable. Rip to my mig29g
And I just unlocked the 29g. Glad I didn't waste the sl buying it. They should lower its br to 12.3 max. And b4 u usa mains cry "but r73" there are planes at 11.0 with r73 so your complaint is invalid.
@@saintfan416 not really, any 27er carrier is fine because you can still win against fox3s due to it's insane speed, the f14 is okay aswell, rest are fucked
@@ИванМатвеев-й2р the 27 doesn’t matter tho. You have to maintain lock with it. As Germany we have 40 chaff brother. That ain’t enough for 16v16. With having to maintain lock, 3 jets can lock, fire, and forget you. It’s not balanced. It’s not even close.
@@saintfan416 with fox3 you have to maintain too, just less of the time and not all of it
Got slammed earlier because of the Shift keybinds. Thank you Gaijin, very cool.
yup same
Same lmfao I slammed right into the ground cus shift is my throttle up and idk how it happened but I got locked controls cus of that shit
Ctrl binds for the win!
rebind it? it's pretty easy
@@cookiecracker2 the problem is Gaijin set it as default for some fucking reason and fucked over most people's first matches
Good luck with stock grinding when everyone is slinging fox 3s at you across the map
Pay or suffer XD
Yeha and especially with the new changes to multipathing.
The community thinks the solution to adding better radar missiles is to make dodging them even harder
stock grinding becomes absolutely horrible after like 9.3 (being generous) stock grinding the f4 ej kai made me wanna do some things I cant say
This problem should be easily solve with adding 2 ARH/SARH stock for every thing above 11.3 but knowing Gaijin if community didnt push hard enought they probably don't care and those who don't pay GE or Premuim will have to suffer try to stock grind anything top tier(ANYTHING)
@@notafrog2040 Those people do not play the game and have zero clue lol
Loving everything this update broke. Squadron activity, binds, loadouts. I really love the stretch jpeg fuel tanks for new f15
What did they do?
MIg21SMT, SU17's, and both soviet tech tree MIg 23's just don't have flares/chaff, the game just will not let you take them.
Typical Gaijin...this update is the worst i've seen in my 8 years....Fox 3s aren't the saving grace.
@@interpl6089how after 8 years were you not expecting them to reintroduce every bug ever on update day
wait waht happen to squadron activity?
goes to show, they don't test their own game
I am quite frankly shocked, that your first video won't be on the brilliant and absolutely fantastic F-4F KWS! /s
F-4F-ICE* and that thing is trash as you probably know by the sarcasm of the comment
@@EricThyKaiser KWS is the correct designation for this variant actually. ICE simply stands for the english translation of "Kampfwertsteigerung".
And yes, it was sarcasm, that is literally what "/s" means.
why would he kill himself for a video?
Friday 😂😭
Even germans refer to it as the ICE though@@theincrediblefox
Time to come back to this video in 4 years when I’ve finally reached top tier
Skill issue
I remember thinking the same lol
@@grahaldmills5930 If you're f2p it takes about 4x as long to grind, and if you dont play every week or even every day it can easily take 4 years to grind to top tier regardless of skill level. Especially if you don't just play a single nation.
Not gonna take that long I’m only 200hrs in and I’m only 3 planes away from gettin rank 6 and 2 tanks away from rank 5
@@LordKimarisIm F2P, I don’t grind everyday, played casually for 1 year, made it to 6.7 Ground and Air for USA
shooting the missiles from way up too high reminds me of a peak gameplay we already achieved when F14 was introduced
The altitudes they're fighting at are pretty realistic. High and fast is how modern air combat works, altitudes of 20-30,000ft are pretty normal
Yeah pretty realistic for fights to start that high and end up on the deck as you get closer in dcs
@@BlueNexapeople don’t understand that being low is where these planes perform the worst. You need to climb to the moon to get the best performance
Couldnt wait for the 15 new keybinds Ill need to set up without having fingers for it...
RAAAAAH!!! LARP LARP LARP!!! BVR BVR BVR!!!
Top tier dogfight simp spotted, skill issue detected
This update isn’t AS chaotic as I previously anticipated
Its not as bad as i thought
But only because i anticipated armagedon
@@DEFYNI haven’t played yet can’t grind out the new su-27 til Friday night😭
@@DEFYN Agreed!
@@DEFYN Eh, it is pretty bad. You're cherry picking the good matches where it somewhat actually works. Go stock and tell me you have a fun time hugging 3's defensive flying all match while up in the sky the missile ejaculator gets to play the game because he is graced with good missiles.
Meanwhile just like you showed bvr requires fuck all skill wise. You shoot you dodge, you get rng'd, you rng, this shit will get stale real fast.
The fact people called f14 missile ejaculation good gameplay over dogfighting is a fucking comedy in and off itself. They complain all year long about br compression then want the singular thing that gave lower matched planes a fighting chance due to the always inevitable furball that ensued, gone 🤦♀. Sometimes this community deserves Gajob.
Interesting fact: because back in the dev when they test Fox-3 they use AIM-120B on the F-16. So even right now all US 13.0 get AIM-120A and there are actually a AIM-120B on the Tornado, these AIM-120A on US planes still have a "AIM-120B" marking on its model
on the dev there was no difference between the 120A and 120B they just renamed it, kinda like the JAS-39A and JAS-39C, same plane different name
Conjugate is for nerd
@@paperthik9262 *39
@@paperthik9262 theres no gameplay difference between the 2 anyways, the irl differences are minimal and dont apply to warthunder
@@paperthik9262 Yes, so I said it as interesting fact
It just turn furball bigger by 10km, stock plane absolute suffer from this
It’s not even stock planes, what the actual fuck is an f-16a with 6
Aim-9l supposed to do against fox-3’s and sarh middles being much harder to dodge
@@InTheMood-fi3bh The same way we dealt with Aim-54 spam when that first came out. Find some terrain and hope for the best. Being in a MiG-21 SMT during that time was genuinely cancerous
@@theostrichbird9021 Lmao the shitbag aim-54 is not even comparable to the AIM-120.
@@theostrichbird9021 Phoenixes are microwaved dogshit compared to the amraams, now I'm struggling with a stock F-16C without chaff, notching perfectly and flying so low that I have to dodge the local wildlife AND I STILL GET NAILED BY 3 AIM-120'S IN A ROW. Meanwhile their gameplay is to fly up at the start, lob all of their loadout in our general direction then stand up and go to the toilet, because the kills are guaranteed.
@@theostrichbird9021 I perfectly understand how to noch and shit, but I cant fight back, missiles are outa range, and even they they are a 1 or 2 flare. and they are always too far for guns
Playing the F15A this morning while I grinded for the C ruined my day. Impossible to get anything done other than going defensive for every lock and launch and having no ability to be offensive in the slightest. This meta is going to be brutal for any plane without ARH missiles
For anyone who doesn’t have fox 3s on any jet they own to grind with its fucking miserable I can’t even imagine the stock grind I’ve just decided to grind at 11.0 grind my stupid little plane just to not use it
10/10 Edge this time Defyn🔥
defyn you should definitely try the f4j again, so far all my matches havent been uptiers and the radar missile multipathing 'buff'
Any good? I got F4j but didn’t even bother to spade it since Kurnass 2000 and MLD were so much better at the moment.
@@SA-ks3exyeah it’s fun plus the ability to choose to use chaff or flares help it so much you can save countermeasures
@@SA-ks3ex tbh the flight performance can be sometimes annoying but as long as u don't get slammed by a phoenix i usually get 2-5 kills
dogfighting died with this one 💀
just a bunch of dudes staying at 10km from each other now
Bring back multipathing
I'd bet money they will bring it back
What do you expect? This game isn't a hardcore simulator, but it is based on real aircraft with real weapons systems. Modern air combat is fought with missiles. The game mode is called "Realistic Air Battles." This is what realistic air battles look like. If you don't *like* it that's OK but there is plenty of close in dogfighting to be had at other BRs, whether you go with mid-war props or early jets or 3rd gen fighters.
@@wmouse maybe because this isn’t dcs and the majority of people don’t want to play BVR in their super cool fast maneuverable jet, and they want to live out their top gun wet dreams by actually dogfighting. BVR IS BORING, but it should have its place. Bring back multipathing
@@notafrog2040 Who cares about DCS?
Finally caught your upload somewhat soon.
Just wanted to tell you your content is great and I'm convinced I'd still be getting -SL every AIR RB match if I didn't go absolutely sicko mode on your guides and stuff. Keep it up pal
What ive learned from this is that DEFYN is a top who drains balls and finishes you off under the desk
Top tier just got boring it's feel just like gambling at this point
It was the same before this update. At least now there are some people going high and doing bvr.
Ground hugging and constant furball dogfighting is lame.
war thunder top tier has just turned into DCS apparently, i'm hearing so many words i usually hear in a GS video
its like DCS but with none of the things that make the gameplay of DCS work
@@casualspawnpeeking3680like what?
better radar and stealth @@PvtPartzz
@@PvtPartzzits missing dcs's rng countermeasures and worse radar/seeker simulation
I am happy with that. WT is meant to be a good mix between arcade and simulator. I don't want to play DCS, so some realism in WT is cool and welcome
60 Meters... it has never been so joever
i scraped the ground with my plane and 120 still killed me so yeah my ass 60 meters ,also if it splashes to ground you get damaged too
@@ShadowBroker000ground hugger spotted, skill issue detected.
@@ShadowBroker000That happens sometimes with SARH missiles too anyway.
@@blanchbacker “skill issue” is insane how much people throw that around. no. You still have IRCCM fox-2s. Use them you DCS BVR Larper
@@blanchbackerBvR Just isnt fun even If you are successful i prefer close range
I want to stress to people. This is not DCS. You do not NEED to use TWS.
TWS does not guarantee a kill.
TWS is useful for finding and tracking targets without alerting them.
But you can just as easily lock and launch and get kills in regular PD search mode
Tws lets you fire at multiple targets, and tws doesn’t give them an rwr warning so tws is a very good mode to be in, if you aren’t using tws in a bvr fight then you are at a disadvantage
@@brodykloster2102 yea but no one is BVRing.
The maps aren’t big enough for it. Just lock and launch at 25km
The fact that so many people GE rushed to get the planes and spade them for the Fox-3's is canser, it's made the top tier experience unplayable if you are actually grinding the modules of a plane. And why the ever loving sh*t would they put a Phantom at 11.7?!
fuck top tier.
Considering how dominant FOX-3s are, it's fucking criminal that FOX-1s aren't part of the stock kit. The F-15C comes with a pair of AIM-9Ms (rather than a full loadout of them) as stock, but even that's barely enough. For your first 10 games, you're gonna be stuck groundpounding against light vehicles because you don't even get bombs stock. It's just so messy for no reason other than frustrating players into paying to skip the grind.
If I was Gaijin I would 100% introduce a new feature with a wacky default key bind just to fxck with players
Time to leave the top tier for a week and then come back, lol. Everything is broken: key binds, flare/chaff...
Having Gripen A makes very little sense to me at the moment, depending on the map i can get reasonable results but if there is no terrain cover im just defending all the time unless i get a sneaky flank going on. still 700k rp for aim-120's so fun. really tempted to just GE the C model lol
Only reason youtubers hate multipathing is because they can be shot down now instead of cheesing an unrealistic mechanic
Im honestly really shocked defyn said the change is bad since now you actually have to use real tactics to evade missiles
Of all people i would have expected him to support the change
making it easier for bad players to get kills is a dumb change of course peopel with skill wont like it
@@ferrous3262 You can say the same thing about evading radar missiles too
Multipathing lets you just fly under 100m in a straight line doing nothing else and the missile just goes dumb
Imo theres nothing skilled about that
@@ferrous3262 You actually have to do something to avoid them now, seems like the opposite of dumb.
Even worse than the SHIFT + A, SHIFT + D changes which countermeasures are released by default (mixed/only flare/only chaff) so I died randomly 3 or 4 times shitting only chaffs against IR missiles
Mig-23 now has 6 countermeasures
You can just not take chaff, arguably you'll only really need chaff in full uptiers
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 Nah it was bugged asf when I posted this
'I was there Gandalf...the day that warthunder died' 🤔
...so its been dead since 2017 then?. Weird cos more players are playing it than ever.
@@platinumbridge Honestly as much as I hate gajin and their stupid decisions, I really hope the game won't die anytime soon. low to Mid tier is still quite enjoyable, if you don't go passt 8.0 or even 10.0 you'll have some fun.
@@platinumbridge I don't want to create misunderstanding! I'm also enjoying a lot Wt right now...i've played It since the First versions...top tier was the f86 and the mig9/15...back then i was dreaming about playing with the f14...now that we have all of the modern jets feels like something Is missing...playing Just for the grind you know...
Speaking of the update...why no aim120 for the italian f16?
@@Fffffffffffffffffrfrf idk, probably just wasn’t thought of
so far ive constantly been getting spiked by invisible ARH missiles, they dont show diamonds anymore above them
and the multipath is definetly not 60 meters, feels more like 20
Missile marker is only visible if the engine is running
Sadge .. multipathing should be like 70 meters cause defending against a whole team of fox-3s ain’t fun
@@michaelc9155 i know that smokeless missiles were always harder to spot, but SARH and ARH missiles were visible within a few km range when the engine was already off before they would hit you, that is now completely gone
Amraams never had a long burn time, missile in wt only get the marker if the engine is burning. The older sarh and phoenix had longer burn times so the diamond is pretty much always present. @IceGuadian
Pro tip: it’s generally not ideal to fire more Fox-3s on TWS at a time(until they reach terminal homing) than your datalink can keep track of.
Only really a problem on aircraft like the MiG-29SMT, Su-27SM, and J-11A. They can datalink 2, 2, 1 missiles at once respectively.
F15c can do 8 too
@@DEFYNYeah I forgor about that.
F-15C can track 8, F-16C can now track 6, and J-11 can only track 1 lol.
It’s only really the MiG-29SMT and Su-27SM now that can only datalink 2 at once.
Not sure about the tornado.
Ima edit the comment so I don’t do the classic War Thunder player spreading misinformation activity :)
@@Boris_The_Turtle My TWS never seems to behave enough to use it properly. I try to crank and all that and the missiles just, never go where I intended with the TWS spasming out.
@@Kompotamus It’s probably a product of how janky TWS behaves and the missile running out of speed at range.
The last time I remember TWS working properly was on the Danger Zone update. TWS nowadays on all the radars randomly veers off the enemy aircraft you are tracking, and starts tracking literally nothing. Sometimes even locks air molecules for some reason.
When the TWS is being troublesome, you may prefer hard locking a target to fire the missile.
love this new update, everything is broken, f15c in sim shoots out 30 flares if you click the button once, sometimes it decides to shoot out some chaff on top of the 30 flares, i'll just take that as the plane being secure and keeping me alive
I’m not going to lie. This update seems like it’s going to force people at top tier to have more dynamic piloting skills. Also, I noticed waaay more people flying high and almost no one hugging the ground. I feel like it makes the game far more “realistic” the ground hugging META IS DEAD!!!!
It's so weird that Gaijin would make a game mode called "realistic air battles" and then make everything kind of realistic.
can the AIM-54C even compete with them new Fox-3 ? I'm pretty sure IRL a Phoenix would still be dangerous, but it's slower and less agile than an AIM-120A... we will see, I love the Tomcat, and I don't think I'll leave it now
At least in DCS it sort of can. AIM54 has crazy range but worse guidance than the newer missiles so if you use the range and avoid getting into range of the other missiles it can work. If you get in range of the newer stuff though, you're at a big disadvantage.
Multipathing for Fox 3 feels broken, far too many deaths below 60m.
as it should be, fox 3's shouldnt be as affected by it as fox1.
27er user's are losing their minds with this one 🗣️🗣️🗣️🤷🏾♂️🙏🏽😈
Thank god bro
now THIS IS a proper meta F-15.
Cool mini guide about ARH defense and offense.
Now you actually need knowledge and skill to play top tier. Multipathing was a much needed change. People are so mad that they can’t hug the ground and create stail gameplay. Sounds like a skill issue.
The smaller lobbies feature is also broken, I only got into one match that wasn't 16v16 and it was 12v12. Thanks Gaijin very cool. I think I'm going to leave top tier air RB for the time being.
How is it broken? The feature is implemented nearly the same as night battles, where you opt into the queue, but that only means there’s a chance of 12v12, you won’t be placed in an exclusively 12v12 matchmaker.
@@pieisawesome2204 I meant it's absolute dogwater to begin with. It does absolutely nothing to ameliorate the utter chaos that is 16v16. They might have just not added it in the first place. It's hollow. It should be the other way around 7v7 should be the norm and people should be able to choose to play 16v16.
Welp, guess that mean most of the player base wants 16 vs 16 (bcos it means not many are opting into 12 v 12 and smoller, not bcuz its broken). But yes continue drinking that koolaid.
@@platinumbridge I doubt it. I think most people just forgot to enable it, because it's not exactly obvious how to do it, if you are not deliberately looking for it. No sane person likes 16v16 in top tier. Only masochists.
BVR Beyond Visual Range gameplay
I actually am liking the gameplay this update ... 😑 its the only thing I'm liking this update
@@ibum4908nah its hell. 16v16 is a fucking joke with fox3s
@Stanczyk996 yeah I mean apart from the large matches... but I like the BVR.
Also they got the smaller match sizes option too
WW2 and early jets BRs are right there still.
@@ibum4908 haha smaller team sizes as a option is a joke. This update is worst in terms of being playablr than all thoes sheninagans when f14 was being added. Its fucking horrible
I beg you make a video about Mig21 Bison 🤩🙏
The fuckin scream of redditors with a subway surfers and Belle Delphine OF, when they can't fight in a furball and throw missiles from 5km anymore. Music to my ears. Yes fuckers, time to learn BVR and play properly. If not, Ace Combat awaits
I noticed the Shift-A while playing with a prop, I couldn't really find what used that binding so I just unbound most Jet related keys.
With a prop it stopped me from making a left roll while still pressing shift for throttle.
been gooning to the update icl
very good update but, they lied about A-10 and SU-25's i still facing All aspect missiles with flareless planes
Imho this is the peak of dogshit gameplay in general,its just not entertaning and satisfying anymore in my case,like when I got my first top jet I was so excited, but now I just dont even want to start the match,so the only thing I will do is just research new harrier because Ive waited for it so long and get outta this place
I was on vacation during the update. Almost have Aim120's. Hopefully they fun :D
All the people who wanted multipathing nerfed deep down know they fucked up😂😂😂 top tier somehow managing to be more miserable then ever
Nah, it was a good change, actually doing bvr in war thunder is a fun.
@@Red_Lion2000 no it is not what the fuck is fun about firing missiles across the map and not seeing ur enemy at all
@@amari2509 If you dont like it, play lower tier.
Modern planes use BVR missiles, you will just have to deal with it.
im having the most miserable time of my life trying to get the SU-27SM
How in the world am I supposed to stock grind this thing? I haven't found a way to reliably get past BVR distances to go for a kill.
Do I need GE? Nah man I need a damn life.
Oh dear… I haven’t saved my controls in quite a while. If I got all my settings shifted I’m done for.
Just glad i already had "switch secondary weapons" binded. I just prefer the cycle system over having to click the weapon i want to use.
Defyn you should make video with AMX premium 10.7br with new piranha missiles, all aspect 45G at 10.7br
for sim players: if you want to avoid the 120's or 77's you can turn off your radar (so their rwr doesn't see you) and hit the deck and get close enough to the thing you wanna kill turn your radar back on, shoot your missile, radar back off, knotch 90 and watch your 120/77 destroy whatever you just shot at
What's the go-to tactic for people using the F-15A trying to unlock planes with Fox3 missiles? I feel very overwhelmed by the power difference between SARH and ARH missiles
feels like you can still hug the ground in the f15 cause its at 12.3 . im pretty sure in uptiers you only have to face 4 planes with fox 3
Just watch your RWR and defend. Theres nothing you can do really lmao. Source: someone whos spading f-15a
Trying to grind the F-16C with 2 Fox 2 missiles is a pain. With this patch they should make Fox 1 missiles stock for fox 3 capable planes.
this kinda looks better than hugging trees all the time
in practice, however, it's just about as torturous as having your balls be microwaved, frozen, evaporated and liquified all at the same time. good job, reddit warrior
@@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960 just tried it, yeah it's horseshit
@@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960 Nah, thats what it was like before the mp nerf. It feels a little more like realistic battles now as opposed to it feeling like arcade. Still needs 8v8 though.
I feel like I'm going crazy, watching your gameplay just looks like total brainrot to me. How can anyone find slinging missiles at random squares and never even seeing an enemy jet fun?
I tried doing BvR its not fun all but since there is 60 m multipath i Just hug the Deck and Go into short range which is fun
if you never see an enemy jet in 16v16 air RB then you must be the one constantly crashing on takeoff. Every game devolves into Call of duty with planes within about three minutes. just low alt, furball cancer.
@@Red_Lion2000 furballs would be fun in a guns only mode
@@King0fgames_ thats what lower tier is. you can play that right now in planes that were designed for it.
@@Red_Lion2000 why shouldnt i be able to in jets? People do all the time in customs and it's incredibly fun and rewarding, aside from no actual rewards and fighting the same enemy over and over
Should I get the F16 or F15 first?
So early the sponsorblock isn't up yet
What’s with the timer next to the missile count after shooting off an AIM-120?
Defyn can you share what your keybinds are for:
- switching between radar modes/scopes (PD/TWS, but also radar/IRST + HMD/ACQ)
- are you using a keybind to switch ranges?
- locking radar targets
- switching lock in TWS
- cycling thru ordnance/missiles
- countermeasures
- anything important I'm forgetting
I feel like my keybinds are a total mess after years of just shoving shit onto the M+KB. I'd like to optimize my binds to improve efficiency.
What do the numbers next to the missile left mean? I'm assuming it's missile guidance time remaining for the most recent missile fired.
9:22 ... sorry, what are you concerned about? LOL
"Surely one day, I can watch this video again and get a sense of this high/top tier jet fighter and how to use it when i finally get it, right?"
- A Free2Play gamer, currently stuck on the F8fF-1, researching the F4U-1C.
Dont rush trying to go to top tier. Enjoy your high stakes dogfight and actually have skills
Speaking of patch-day all the laser auto-trackers are broken or non can lock-on now, and i have to manually guide the GBUs, Mavericks, Hellfires, Kh-29L ... u name it, aka any laser guided air-to ground weapons.
Also i don't think the AMRAAMs can justify the high BR on planes like the AV-8B - doesn't even has data-link -, (not to mention that by the time and suffering u unlock fox3s on planes like the Tornado U'd never want to fly that plane ever again), but we'll see.
Its good to finally see people flying high in top tier
DCS Players in WT after Update:
_"This is great, I can finally play modern jets the correct way!"_
Average WT Players after Update:
_"I can't hug the ground anymore, this is horrible!"_
WT Top Tier Stock Grinders:
*_~"All Around Me are Familiar Faces, Worn Out Faces..."~_*
I laugh cause the controller bindings for war thunder have been horrible for years and none of them make any sense
Su-27SM is hot trash even mid-grind, and yeah i have the R-77, went straight for it otherwise it's unusable.
Thx for the vid, helped a lot !
I noticed the Mirage 2000-5f now lacks the MAR (again thank you because I didn't know that it was called before).
Do you know what M.A.R stands for ?
This missles have poor realiability on the seeker if you do propely 90° you need about 2 or 3 chaffs to disable the AIM120's when they start tracking you, but if it take a lead, You will have nightmares. By the way at 5:00 was a very nice fight.
Top tier is just Walmart DCS now 😂🫠
Not Gaijin switching the power balance back to USA to sell more premiums
Never saw that one coming…
Absolute perfect gameplay. You can change the key binds on the menu. I just turned it off honestly. I rather use primary secondary switches
It was astonishing how many players don't actually know how to defend against fox 3s... You literally get the MSL RWR warning on your nose, yet they still dive forward. Took out many people today still doing the fly low "meta"
hey defyn! hope all is well in the beautiful Netherlands, I am saying hello from London and Kosovo!
I have two quick questions: what settings do you use for graphics/what are your specs
and why is the Vulcan the best gun at top tier?
ps: if anyone else can answer please do as I know defyn is super busy!
have a great day to you all
Every new "feature" from the past few years has been something that the paint sniffers just demand blindly without spending even 5 minutes to consider that the gameplay has never really been updated since air battles in 2014 with just prop planes. And sure enough, the new feature is great for people that eat paint chips because they don't even have any jets yet. But for the rest of us, it makes the game that much worse. Every. Single. Update
still dutch? thought so 👎
Me watching this while im still researching the Japanese f86f -30 sabre and not understanding anything about how radars work and not having enough keybinds for it because i play on console:
Bro help us with the French Mirage with MICA’s ! Please 😢
unbound that new menu partway through my first match post-update, it's less than useless to me, especially since I have missiles bombs and rockets all bound to different buttons and am already comfortable with the secondary weapon cycling when it comes up. Strikes me as a console player feature.
Yup the same B.S. hap[pened to me with the Shift + A got me smacked right into the ground straight dumb@$$ I didn't even think about changing it until this happened to me. I couldn't even hit esc to get out of the mode so it assisted in me eating dirt even though I don't think that's my fault but I took the blame because I was stupid enough to not go and look at keybinds before starting to play.
shit + a(sshole) got me killed as well, immediately removed that keybind.
Since when does gaijin do that where they add keybinds and already bind them (on stupid keys) for you?
Yeah well, I started a new Minecraft server with my friends a couple of days ago. I watched this to see if the F-15C is worth taking a break from it… yeah nope Minecraft with my bois it is. This new top tier looks even worse than the last one
I like the multipathing nerf, but it needed to come with smaller team sizes.
At least people cant just fly low to be 100% safe anymore, now shit planes with decent missiles like the tornado and new harrier are actually playable.
We NEED actually small matches. Those would be fun. This isn’t much more fun than the classic fur-ball gameplay.
I’m can’t wait to unlock the su27 to never fucking use it stock grind if probably awful if fully spaded vehicles aren’t even fun
8:42 That hit was impressive. The 120 is a menace
Draining balls, a little bit stiffer whats going on in WT these days ........ Good video though like always no matter how many balls are drained 😋
Defyn you gotta dogfight me some time, I need to know how I stack uo against you because I consider myself top 25 pilots in this game period