Thanks for watching this video. While I want to once again reiterate that this was a sponsored video, and HeyGears DID approve this video before it was published, I want to once again emphasize that all opinions and experiences were my own. This isn't a review, but I DO feel comfortable recommending this machine based on my own experiences and the experiences of other creators I spoke with before accepting this video sponsorship, so if you're in the market for a great resin printer, check out store.heygears.com/referral/rs29 Also, I always love your feedback, so let me know how you feel I navigated the ethics of the situation!
You did just fine my dude. This printer does look amazing in all honesty and Formlabs seems like a terrible company.. I'll never get over them buying that startup SLA company that was about to put out SLA machines for a fraction of what they were charging.
Hi. From one creator to another I have few questions about sponsorships. In getting a few here lately and in not sure if I’m getting a fair shake. Would you be kind enough to share with me what you think if I explain what they are offering in an email! You do a great job by the way. You always inspire me to continue growing. Thanks
The combination of walled garden AND reviewing a sponsored video pre-release make this a no-go for me. If they end up making all of resin printing truly great I'm happy to reconsider, but for now I'm highly skeptical. Nothing wrong with you getting the deal and disclosing it very openly though, if only everyone were that transparent!
It is not that printers were bad, it is that resin is smelly, toxic and hard to work with. So, whoever find a solution to that for ALL printers, they will win!
Kind of think you dropped the ball with not showing the price or the after the print mess you have to work with. I hope people don’t see this and think it’s as easy as operating an FDM print. But maybe that was all covered under “hassle free”.
I feel like a hater saying this but - this feels a lot more like an ad than your typical content. I think it's 1) because it's not a review and 2) You're not already a resin printer so not much to compare it to. Yes, on paper heygears is better, yes, they have a nice ecosystem, but "budget" printers like the Saturn 4 Ultra are basically problem free for a lot less money.
It’s a fair criticism. This is a sponsored video, so it’s bound to feel like an ad a bit. And yeah I’m not a big resin guy, but I was definitely curious to see if these machines would change that.
Can not say that the Saturn 4 Ultra is basically problem free, neither HeyGear is. I used both printers and they habe both their problems. It always depends on what you print. As I usually print only technical and mechanical stuff, this is often much harder to print, compared to some fancy figures.
That’s because it was = sponsored video = ad I mean Jonathan does a video about needing to be more supportive of open source - then does this ad for the closed system that only supports their resin…
- Expensive - Locked System - Still toxic resin and VOC´s I really don´t see a huge upsite. Yeah it´s a better product but no it does not solve any big issues with resin printing
Resin isn’t for everyone for sure but it has its place, for example parts that need to be perfect looking like injection molded parts, or fast small batch production.
@@thenextlayer "...Resin isn’t for everyone for sure but it has its place..." Yes, in an industrial building for example and not in the living room. I know all about the different printing technologies. And an engineer I use them on a daily basis from 1k machines to 250k machines. That´s why I am saying. This machine does not solve any real problem in a meaningful way. Like heating resin and sucking out the air so people don´t kill themselves on it or being able to go though the process without having to touch uncured resin etc. This is not feasable at the moment unless you use resin cartridges and oyu don´t have to clean the machine and you also vent out all air etc. But this machines does not do any of those things.
@@sierraecho884 You have a complaint with the technology itself, the science. Valid, that's fine, but for right now there's nothing anyone can do about it. Those that need to USE that science, that technology however are going to appreciate the advancement this machine offers.
sounds good, but what I would *really* love is a resin printer that doesn't need to peel off a build plate each layer but just build layer by layer by submerging the model slowly into a bath of resin. I know it requires much more resin, but for minis etc wouldn't it be 1000x more reliable?
I have had a Elegoo Saturn S for about two years and haven’t even used it yet, I have been getting all the information around to give it a go and then I saw a video about the RS and a pre-order and how fail proof it was. So I bought one, because that’s what I want. Not having to figure out everything. Still looking for alternatives for IPA cleaning and found three, thinking about making a video comparing them but I have to study on how to make a video. Anyway, I can’t wait to try my RS.
Personally, I have a lot of knowledge and time dedicated towards FDM printing, but I absolutely don't want to deal with resin already, so literally leaving it in a (ventilated) room doing "one click and done" type printing is very appealing.
You're my hero! Epoxy resin was going to be my jam and then I discovered 3D printing but now I can do both without the pouring! I feel there are some things (can't think of any atm) that are better done with resin than with plastic. Could be wrong but I aim to find out :D
Great video! I definitely want one myself and I feel like a lot of people who say they don't want to be apart of the ecosystem are the same people who own Apple phones and apple watches.
This seems awesome, and like a truly great leap forwards in the resin printing space.... but... your very first sentence, @0:00 "If there's one thing I hear time and time again in my comment's section, it's that most of you would rather avoid resin 3d printing all together". I don't think this printer will change that. Resin prints being finnicky and printers being not-user-friendly were the least of the reasons I personally didn't get a resin 3d printer (And the main reason I'm into 3d printing is WH and D&D minis, so resin would be awesome for sure) -- The real issue keeping the masses away from resin is the fume concerns. Needing proper ventilation and personal-protective-equipment .... it's more than I want to deal with. The reduced risk of spills from this printer's auto loading and unloading seems like the only thing targeting any of that, but it doesn't eliminate it.
So what keeps people from resin printing minitures is fear and laziness, they have time to spend hours painting a miniture but not 20 minutes cleaning one, they also hate DIY as they refuse to consider fume extractors that you would need anyways when sanding FDM prints or spray painting.
@@miguellopez3392 that's really a bit of an over exaggeration, don't you think. It's not fear to be respectful of your health for logical reasons. Nor does everyone have the luxury to be able to make such modifications to their living spaces for a DIY project of that nature. Some people don't own the places they live in and don't have the freedom to set up large fume hoods and extractors and ventilation, even if they didn't need to cut any holes in the walls. And shying away from one very specific and large project that you personally find acceptable does not instantly mean someone "hates DIY" - that's quite the gate-keeper-y claim if you ask me. 3D printing in general is a lovely hobby and I'll be damned before I dare say anyone willing to undertake any part of this hobby "hates DIY" or is "too lazy" lmao.
@@Night_Hawk_475 bro i use a $100 paint booth with extractor vent that i open only an inch of my window to vent out of my window. filament 3D printing started as a DIY hobby so i find it funny that opening window by an inch is too hard for them now that you can just buy filament printers.
@@Night_Hawk_475 thats the fear im talking about, why would i cut a hole in my wall when i can just use a $100 paint booth i triple for sanding and painting. i vent all the fumes out a 1 inch gap in my window, you see these imaginary barriers you made or yourself? you gate keep yourself.
It actually feels like a substantial upgrade from my Creality LD-006 and well worth the price of the machine. I would consider one, but as always, my country won't be getting deliveries anytime soon.
This is super cool, and definitely brings the barrier to entry down a ton, but I’m really really just waiting for someone to come out with resins that you don’t need a hazmat suit to use. I don’t know if it will happen, or even chemically if it *can* happen, but the benefits of resin printing just don’t outweigh that for me now Also, side note, I was sure the printer would be like $2k. Pretty cool that it’s like half that
Not to take away from what looks like an amazing printer, but they should take the time to at least mill the top of the plate to create an angle so the resin flows off of the top of it lol.
(edit, it seems like they released an offline version of their slicer) my main problem wtih heygears's approach is that AFAIK you can't use their machine without signing up/login to their services, this means if you buy it and for some reason they can't provide you service, that machine is basically dead weight
@@SomeoneAbstruse oh wow, if that's the case its totally cool then, i've watched a video about it like 2 months ago, but it seems like they released an offline version too. thanks!
@@stoinercraft6389They added an offline mode, yes. After A LOT of criticism. However, it's still a proprietary slicer, which is anti-consumerism at its peak. So is not even allowing dialing in third party resins (which bambulab does for fdm, so the comparison doesn't hold up in my opinion) Heygears offers good products at a hefty premium. If you just want to use resin printing as a tool and you don't want to put in the work, that's fine. But don't try to sell this closed off approach as a good thing. Heygears could offer their perfectly dialed in resins while also opening up their system either through their slicer or by adding third party slicer support. Heck, they could even demand a one time payment for that like formlabs does but completely closing the system off REEKS
Thanks for your video. I’m very much an FDM chap, but I do own an original Elegoo Mars which I bought secondhand a couple of years ago. Unlike you, I didn’t find the problem was failed prints, in fact I had very few of those. The issue is all about the resin, it is toxic, hard to work with and the environmental impact is not to be sniffed at. I was disappointed that this printer doesn’t somehow deal with waste and rest and post processing and all of the stuff that’s actually the problem. I think I’ll still stick to FDM. Thank you though
Heygears is the Epson or HP of Resin printers, not Bambulabs. If at some point you cant login to their cloud then your printer is a paper weight. No other slicers, inability to profile 3rd party resins etc.
I could be wrong - but the wargamer types value "just works" our or the box type experience more than the traditional FDM 3D printer crowd. The use-case for resin machines is a bit different and a bit more focused rather than the hugely different range of prints (and features) expected of FDM - so flexibility is less of a concern and so openness takes a back seat. The walled garden thing drives me nuts personally.... But maybe Hey Gears can take notes from Bambu Labs and strike a good balance.
Resin printers have high flexibility as well ot just starts getting expensive with more engineered resins such as ones used in the dental industry, wall garden is a little necessary with resin.
Great video! I am contemplating either a resin printer or like a small CNC mill. Price is pretty attractive but I do want to wait and see what Bambu will offer come 2025 :)
Cool cool. But they’re all different tools for different purposes. Also the new Bambu machine will likely be quite expensive from what I hear. Like $4-5k.
If you have been having a 50% resin printer failure rate, that's on you. Once you have your printer, resin and supports dialed in, you would have maybe a 5% failure rate. I've had my GKTwo for over a year with maybe 10 failed prints in over 300 attempted. Cool printer, though.
GKTwo, as I understand it, is also a pretty good and advanced printer compared to the very budget ones I’ve used in the past… but yeah, as I said, I don’t want to deal with manually supporting, I suck at orienting, and I hate dialing in resins. It’s just not fun for me. I want to use it as a tool.
Agree. I have a little Photon Mono 2, which is in no way, shape, or form a high end resin printer: it's actually one of the most inexpensive. Using ChituBox as the slicer was all I needed to do to make it into a monster, though. I have no issues anymore. Both the Anycubic Slicer and Lychee were a mess with tons of failures, hard to remove supports that STILL left scars on the print, etc. So essentially the point of my comment is that the hardware side of resin is hard to mess up: it's all in the slicer.
I only paid 1200 for my Saturn 2 with wash and cure stations. I cannot justify a 1000+ buck printer unless it had a larger build area. If anything they should see about making the software as a compatible like Klipper did for fdm . I been printing my fdm files for most part on the resin with beautiful results for most cases and only minor clean up.
Love your take on this printer, I tested in on release and was really impressed, Hey Gears actually dialled the RS back a bit from the Reflex to make it cheaper and more accessible for consumers, its still the best Resin printer I have ever used. Cool to see the comments from a different audience too, I get a lot of Hey Gears wont let me use my resin type comments.
Slicers leave a lot of room on the table for improvement in terms of automatic print orientation, and auto support generation and print failure and stability detection. I also think the 3D printers should be collecting data on failed prints. Ask the user why you're stopping the print or whether it printed successfully and if they opt in to sharing the model with the manufacturer, they might be able to figure out where it failed and improve the slicer accordingly. 3D printing needs to be a one click affair for it to become mainstream.
As someone who got started printing with jank machines that I spent as much time calibrating and repairing as I did actually printing with... If I ever get a resin printer, I want it to be something like this. I do not give a shit about all the little ins and outs of keeping a budget machine from turning into an expensive paperweight. There's a lot to criticize about the Bambu approach, and things that I would change if given the option. But by God, I can turn it on and 9 times out of 10, expect it to work. If ever there's a resin machine that can match that, then I might give it a shot.
Thats where I am, too. With FDM machines, I’m gradually getting there too honestly. After spending so much damn time on the ERCF, and now my tool changer, I’m kind of done working on and tuning printers. I just want to use them to make cool stuff.
Then let's hope the manufacturer has good support, because there are two things I know about one-click solutions. The first is that there is no such thing as a foolproof solution. There will always be cases where something goes wrong. Whether it is caused by the user or a problem caused by the manufacturer. The second is that people who rely on one-click solutions have no idea what they're doing. And when things go wrong, they don't know what to do and need expert support. If the manufacturer does not have good support, users will flood the community forums.
You raise a very valid point, and I didn't have a chance to try out their "normal" support obviously as I was with them in person. BUT, I didn't actually need any help besides them telling me what resin I was going to be using and whether or not the machines I was using had the self release module. It was shockingly easy. HOWEVER, you're right about the fact that users like me will have NO idea what we're doing, so I hope they have great support. I assume they do at this premium price point, though.
@@thenextlayer I did use the built in support system from their slicer. HeyGears was extremely responsive and resolved my problem to my complete satisfaction.
@@abbofun9022 Even if it is optional. Many will choose this product because of the promise that you don't need to know anything, the printer and software will take care of everything and it will just work. And because nothing is perfect, good support is important for a product like this.
I can see how this machine solves a lot of the software, set-up, and tuning side of resin, and would allow a shift from what is essentially artisanal, hand-crafted production to small-volume mass production. But as others have noted, the biggest problem with home/hobby resin printing is the toxicity of the resin and the massive amount of post-processing needed. Until and unless that ever gets solved, I feel like resin 3D printers don't really belong in a hobby workspace.
This printer looks great and all but I'm not sure how many people are able to afford a whole month's rent on a 3d printer. Unfortunately the price of these is very high for the average hobbyist. Don't get me wrong I can see why they are expensive, they are fantastic machines, it's just that the price tag is steep in today's economy. Most people would rather pay bills and buy groceries with that money. I am hoping for them to do well though if I had the spare cash I'd buy one for sure!
Bambu Lab became our go too because quality+price is their focus. This setup is still too pricey for the rest of us that work a regular 9to5 job. I'd rather stay with FDM, until Bambu Lab decides to try their luck at it, because they have gained my loyalty.
While I like the direction here, I think the main innovation needs to come from the actual resin itself. That's where the headaches come from (figuratively and literally). If some company can come up with a resin that works the same way, with no harsh/toxic fumes, won't burn skin, and requires little-to-no cleaning, they'll make resin printing as mainstream as FDM (if not more). That's the biggest barrier for the market. It's like FDM going from ABS to PLA as the standard.
I wasn't aware that resin printing was subject to such a high failure rate or that slicing and supports were an issue, so fixing those issues really didn't do much to change my mind about trying resin printing. You're still dealing with toxic resin and fumes and you still need to get a separate wash/cure unit which takes up more budget as well as shop space. Still a hard pass for me but I appreciate your review.
still a little pricy for a resin machine, at least for my preferences. I own both the original Photon and the Photon Mono 5S and have found that I just personally prefer more functional prints. I have probably used each machine less than 10 times. I mostly don't use them since its a hassle to get going and it takes about an hour to properly support a plate of models with next to no failures. I also don't like the hassle of calibrating my resin as I print in a garage where temperature fluctuates, so having pre-calibrated resin as a starting point rather than a community spreadsheet with multiple setting options does sound appealing. I could see myself spending the premium for 1st party resin since I don't use a ton of it in a year anyways. If they can get the price down to around $500 in the coming years while retaining a lot of the compelling features like bambu did with the A1 then I could see myself picking one up. Until then, I am content with dealing with the hassle on the few occasions I need to take advantage of SLA printers and their extreme details.
You need a machine that does all the stages and gives you a dry cured model. Right from the printer. This is a true hassle free. Otherwise, you still have to deal with the smelly and bad materials. And you need a lab. Not for home use
I've long been eyeing their OG Reflex, but they are really slow to new markets, and I don't wanna pay double VAT to import it myself, only to have multi-stage hassle if I ever need anything more (like their resin) Also what's with the air compressor being dummy expensive? And I wonder what their engineers thought making that fun wash station. I like the company, but they are slow on market expansion. Like REALLY slow on market expansion Edit: Thanks for another great vid. Hope they find the right loopholes to send you an RS (and a pallet of resin to feed it) for a proper review. Also was that the same Summer that appeared in Ross' livestream with them?
They do look amazing but even with all the sales and deals going on it’s still expensive (2700$) not the best choice for getting into 3D printing for the first time or as a gift for the holidays.
You mentioned other youtubers calling this the Bambu labs of resign. But you left out that most said it’s over priced and not a recommend. It’s nice but not worth it to them. Especially since everything that makes this great is with their proprietary expensive resign is gone and it’s a regular printer. You printed in their controlled environment with their resign. Of course your experience is going to be amazing lol
There are different audiences out there, the occasional hobbyist who isn’t worried about the lock in could well be very happy with the experience even if it costs a few bucks more. Remember that failed prints have a price too and just the monetary price.
1000 for the printer and another 1000 for the cleaner and curing station. Is that normal in resin printing? A 1000 for a high end printer seems fair, but the additional 1000 seems high
This is a pretty premium printer. But don’t think of it as 1000, it’s 500 for the curing station and 500 for the washing station. Both are actually not 100% necessary either. You can wash in a vat of alcohol and shake it up or stir, and you can cure in sunlight.
@@jorgesantander7454 yes, 160 for dual-purpose machine that seems big enough to wash whole build plate 😉 Maybe HG twins also brew coffee, triple as solarium and clean spills 😅
The big issue with walled gardens for me is that if the company collapses, or decides to alter the deal, I'm stuck with a glorified $1000 paper weight. I just don't trust companies because companies have really poor track records of supporting products long term. I really want 1 button resin printing, but until its here, without a walled garden approach I'm just going to stick to FDM.
The printer is not made for hobby types, its made for reliable work flows, you can still use other resins but will have to stick to the previous sets, basically you buy this printer if you intend to make money.
Someone needs to build one that does the print, wash and cure without ever touching it. Whoever builds that system will make the money. I hate the process and cleanup. I have to say my FDM h is clean, nothing to really drip. My original elegoo mars was a nightmare. My new elegoo Saturn Ultra 4 is a decent work horse, very few failures but still has the mess to deal with. If it wasn't for the mess it has been a decent machine so far. But my go to is fdm simply because of the mess.
Yeah I’m not sure why they didn’t do that but I suspect it has something to do with the peel force sensor or something because most printers have that.
@@PopsGG The build plate is a flat slab of stainless steel (supposedly). This is the only company that I know of that uses stainless steel. Other companies use cheap aluminum for their build plates. I don’t know if these aluminum build plates are cast with a sloped roof and then CNC milled to spec, or if they are a slab of aluminum which is then CNC milled to have a sloped roof and then the rest is CNC milled to spec. I am not a CNC guy, and I don’t know how difficult (or expensive) it is to CNC mill stainless steel for a build plate to have a sloped roof. The point is that the cost or difficulty maybe drove Heygears to stick to a flat-roof build plate because they preferred the strength and durability of stainless steel over using aluminum for the build plate.
"As good as an experienced user" comments across the internet don't seem to agree with that. And any device that requires you to use their slicer is an instant Hell No from me.
I thought so too but holy crap Phrozen has some INSANE resins that are stronger than any FDM part I’ve ever seen. But I don’t know if heygears has such resins in their ecosystem yet.
HeyGears is using the walled garden approach like Bambu Labs does. This is a common strategy in very high end CNC equipment. You generally use what the manufacturer recommends other than consumables. I prefer the walled garden approach but will never own a resign printer.
It is not like someone could slice a print and just put the SD card into a Bambu printer. It is just when it comes to remote printing where it is a walled garden
The filters in your audio are a tiny bit too aggressive, sound from your voice cuts too soon (making everything sound choppy). I'm also unsure if the audio peaks a little, hard to tell tho. Edit: at the time of writing the review, I am mostly talking about the moments where you record from your studio.
Doesn't seem like a big leap forward, just a few more sensors and more precision parts, I'm not seeing any groundbreaking innovation here . . . and it's expensive for a resin printer !
There needs to be a resin printer that fits in the niche of easy printing. People criticizing them for a closed system have the choice of using a printer from any other manufacturer. No one is forcing them to buy a Heygears. Will I own one? Probably not. If I was doing resin printing as a business though, you can be darn sure I'd rather have a farm of these than the other sub $1000 resin printers out there. So let the open source fanboys whine and ignore them. There IS a place for an ecosystem like this. So I hope they do really well, so they can remain a viable option for those needing simple reliability with resin.
$70 for 1kg of Resin... more than double other brands and I heard that you can not change exposure times to calibrate different resins for the printer. And with how much resin you have to go through to make prints... you will go broke in no time and the machine will just sit around and do nothing.
They do have resin targeted at 30 dollars, might not get it that cheap in every country but still, if that's not cheap enough then well then why are you looking at spending one grand on a printer, that's like buying a super car and filling it with farts
@@thenextlayer weird. We use Mars 4 (non-ultra) and Anycubic water washable resin+ (less than 40/kg), default settings, and no fails if properly supported. Of course we don't print FDM-sized things with resin 😉
I'm not use to comment on YT video but in this case I feel I need to because I feel there is a lots of mis-information in there regarding resin printing. Fist of all a bit of a disclosure: I'm a log time model maker and I've worked with mould and resin for several decade for making my moulds and models, since about 1y age a get myself a resin printer, specifically a Saturn 2 8k. Now lets be frank resin is a shit of a material in any form it came: it's smell, stain, and is not really something you'll like to be around.... but neither, I suppose, is a PETG or ABS melted filament... So about resin printing is not different from a FDM process: it require calibration, proper setup and cleaning of the printer and by "cleaning " I don't mean empty the resin tray at the and of every print, but be sure that the plastic transparent film of the tray is free from residues especially if you have a failed print. For the rest if you keep the lid close you can leave the resin in it no problem, jus remember to steer it properly before printing. Calibration is the most important think, not only the build plate need to be perfectly flat but resin is very sensible to humidity and, more important, temperature so, while the recommended resin setting you'll find online or on the bottle itself a good start, those refer to a "standard condition", like 20°C and 30% humidity... but you need to calibrate the resin for YOUR working conditions. And, as much as you calibrate and FDM printer to every material, toy have to do so per every resin, be it a different brand, a different type (water or alcohol based) and even colour... plus if you keep the printer in a room that suffer lager temperature variation during the year is not a bad thing to prepare a couple of profile for summer and winters print. Lets be clear here: a proper calibration take about 30' and, if you use a proper slicer like Lychee or Chitubox (yes, even the free one), you can save your profile for every resin and every printer you have, so is a "do it once" job. About failed printer is not that different as an FDM too: you need to do proper support, but program like Chitubox or Lychee have a good build-in auto support repair and support feature that are good for most print and only if you push the limit of the printer and need the most detail out of the print you'll maybe required to do some adjustments to the support. So, to summarise, do not make resin printing seam like a pain: a good printer and a bit of time can give you very good result (and no, with no layer lines), as much as in some situation even better then ad FDM, if some one is not willing to spend a bit of time the fault is not the printer or in the technology, is you, as much as it is on an FDM print.
With their proprietary resin and lack of ability to create your own resin profiles for other brands , I'll never buy one. Plus their resin is outrageously expensive for the amount you get. Cheapest resin they have is 30 dollars for 1 kg. Over double of many brands. Also the printer isn't inexpensive.
35 dollars is an average resin price, 15 dollars is the cheapest most toxic crap you can find, why on earth would you spend 1k on a printer and use the worst resin you can find?? at that point just get a cheaper printer and invest more in resin. There are loads of cheap crappy printers out there I don't get why people have to complain about the few printers that offer much better quality for a higher price, I don't like the locked settings either but at the end of the day that's the business model, they sell printers with thin margins, they might even loose money, so they can then make it on the resin. If you don't like it the real issue is the lack of competition at these higher price brackets.
I wnted to look at the Printer at their site, but having to click the same Black Friday commercial away 5 Times before I could even see the price of the Printer, I just gave up.
They are nowhere near the status of bambu, more like on the lines of apple because of the whole lockdown consumables nature, oh wait unless you're using the pap 10 settings your resin might work but results do vary lol
The auto orientation and supports suck on this machine, it literally turns minis on their face 90 percent of the time.. exactly where you don't want supports.
I consider getting a Reflex RS with the heated bed to replace my old Anycubic so I can operate it in my unheated shed, but the fact that there is no option to use other resins is a dealbreaker for me since I have a bunch of unused resin that I want to use with it. So unless they update and add an option for other brands of resins or to make my own custom settings I am leaning towards UniFormation GK3 whenever that comes to market.
complicated use & ridiculously unrealistic price tags are a lot of what's kept me away from resin, despite curiosity, aside from living in a fairly small place where ventilation isn't the greatest. it's nice to see a company finally addressing some of that, though it remains unlikely i'll be jumping into that arena any time soon - i'll likely have an expansive, completely diy print farm at a house i've purchased before the price of such an ecosystem either becomes affordable enough or practical enough for me to seriously consider getting it. thanks for the comprehensive look, though!
Puhh These start at 1300 $ 🥲 I Stick with my Elegoo Saturn 3 Ultra i got mine used i never Printed in Resin before but i didn't had a print failure so far 🎉
@ you cant adjust any settings with 3rd oarty resins, you enter in the product id thats on the bottle and it retrieves a profile for it, if that profile isnt created by heygears you cannot use that resin
When I saw the title I was actually excited that someone's tackled the most annoying aspects of resin printing, but after watching the video I'm actually disappointed. It turned out to be clickbait, which I catched. Basically only little of the actual problems of resin printing have been addressed, like toxins, separate machine for curing/washing, boxes etc. Even though you tried to make it seem like it's an "honest review" (with your opinion at the end), it's nothing more than a shallow ad, as you were very clearly biased due to appreciation for being able to fly there. Again, I'm not saying the printer is good or bad, I just feel like you try to overhype it
This just sounds like a bad ad. I found my first cheap resin printer to be extremely simple and problem-free compared to fdm printing. I think all resin printers are easy and fun - how are you failing?
*before clicking* It's going to be the HeyGears proprietary nonsense isn't it? *clicks* Yep. I would watch just to see how many times you call it "the Bambu of resin" but I'm not going to waste my time. I hope you got a good bag, at least?
It blows my mind that resin printing is so utterly crappy. It displays an absolute lack of customer focus from minimum effort manufacturers who want to drip feed just enough improvement to beat their rivals' low effort machines. It just takes one disruptor to say "Screw that, we're doing the best we can" and suddenly everyone is trying 10x harder. But for me, as with Creality's awful printers, it's too little way too late.
Why do you keep suggesting that this is an "entry level" printer? It maybe entry level if you're Elon Musk. The $2,100 (USD) RS combo is no more entry level than a $1,300 Bambu Labs X1C combo. A $180 Anycubic Photon with a DIY washer and curing rig is entry level.
they don't have c5 grade ground ball screws and the gk2 had a matrix light which isn't very sharp while the new ones have a COB which might be good or not idk, but people are having plenty of other issues with them, I've seen tests proving the reflex to be very very sharp and while I've also seen QC issues with it that doesn't seem as common as the new gk printers where most have curved plates and the big one is getting resin leaks due to an issue with the refill system. I do much prefer the gk plates though, I made a printed mod to make one of my plates like it
but still super toxic resin? that's the deal breaker for me. i don't live in or have access to an air filtered and monitored laboratory. and just a few sips can kill you? i just don't have that kind of self-control....
Great vid. It’s funny how people within 3D printing will whine and cry about proprietary ecosystems etc but yet will quite happily use apple devices. It’s the same principle but cos that’s a phone and this a hobby riddled with gatekeepers they don’t see the similarity. I just want print stuff This would work for me
I am an Android and Linux user. So I'm allowed to moan about closed ecosystems. 😁 The problem with closed ecosystems is that companies like to exploit them to make more profit and extend their dominance in one area to other areas. Closed ecosystems are ok if you have an open market. Then everyone can pick and choose what they want. It becomes problematic when one manufacturer dominates the market.
Thanks for watching this video. While I want to once again reiterate that this was a sponsored video, and HeyGears DID approve this video before it was published, I want to once again emphasize that all opinions and experiences were my own. This isn't a review, but I DO feel comfortable recommending this machine based on my own experiences and the experiences of other creators I spoke with before accepting this video sponsorship, so if you're in the market for a great resin printer, check out store.heygears.com/referral/rs29
Also, I always love your feedback, so let me know how you feel I navigated the ethics of the situation!
You did just fine my dude.
This printer does look amazing in all honesty and Formlabs seems like a terrible company.. I'll never get over them buying that startup SLA company that was about to put out SLA machines for a fraction of what they were charging.
in 2:44 you said resin printers and i think you mean fdm printer :)
Hi. From one creator to another I have few questions about sponsorships. In getting a few here lately and in not sure if I’m getting a fair shake. Would you be kind enough to share with me what you think if I explain what they are offering in an email!
You do a great job by the way. You always inspire me to continue growing. Thanks
The combination of walled garden AND reviewing a sponsored video pre-release make this a no-go for me. If they end up making all of resin printing truly great I'm happy to reconsider, but for now I'm highly skeptical. Nothing wrong with you getting the deal and disclosing it very openly though, if only everyone were that transparent!
@@stayreadyto3dprint Sure, message me on Discord
It is not that printers were bad, it is that resin is smelly, toxic and hard to work with.
So, whoever find a solution to that for ALL printers, they will win!
Thats why I hate resin printing
There’s plant based resin tho
@@polakuu They still absolutely, 100% contain toxic chemicals and still need to be handled with care and PPE. Doesn't solve the problem.
@@polakuu It is still an irritant to people
Kind of think you dropped the ball with not showing the price or the after the print mess you have to work with. I hope people don’t see this and think it’s as easy as operating an FDM print. But maybe that was all covered under “hassle free”.
hopefully Formlabs won't buy this company and bury it like they did the last promising one...
AGREED. That sucked so bad.
I don’t know if they can buy this one, they are a big resin company they started in the professional sector so they are already a solid company
HeyGears, despite the dumb names, is an old hand in medical and other professional fields. Not a startup. A solid company.
I think if FormLabs does this again, they need to be sued
What company did they do that too? Sounds super unethical, but sadly I guess it's "legal" >.
I feel like a hater saying this but - this feels a lot more like an ad than your typical content. I think it's 1) because it's not a review and 2) You're not already a resin printer so not much to compare it to. Yes, on paper heygears is better, yes, they have a nice ecosystem, but "budget" printers like the Saturn 4 Ultra are basically problem free for a lot less money.
It’s a fair criticism. This is a sponsored video, so it’s bound to feel like an ad a bit. And yeah I’m not a big resin guy, but I was definitely curious to see if these machines would change that.
Can not say that the Saturn 4 Ultra is basically problem free, neither HeyGear is. I used both printers and they habe both their problems. It always depends on what you print. As I usually print only technical and mechanical stuff, this is often much harder to print, compared to some fancy figures.
That’s because it was = sponsored video = ad
I mean Jonathan does a video about needing to be more supportive of open source - then does this ad for the closed system that only supports their resin…
- Expensive
- Locked System
- Still toxic resin and VOC´s
I really don´t see a huge upsite. Yeah it´s a better product but no it does not solve any big issues with resin printing
Resin isn’t for everyone for sure but it has its place, for example parts that need to be perfect looking like injection molded parts, or fast small batch production.
@@thenextlayer "...Resin isn’t for everyone for sure but it has its place..." Yes, in an industrial building for example and not in the living room.
I know all about the different printing technologies. And an engineer I use them on a daily basis from 1k machines to 250k machines. That´s why I am saying. This machine does not solve any real problem in a meaningful way.
Like heating resin and sucking out the air so people don´t kill themselves on it or being able to go though the process without having to touch uncured resin etc. This is not feasable at the moment unless you use resin cartridges and oyu don´t have to clean the machine and you also vent out all air etc. But this machines does not do any of those things.
@@sierraecho884 You have a complaint with the technology itself, the science. Valid, that's fine, but for right now there's nothing anyone can do about it. Those that need to USE that science, that technology however are going to appreciate the advancement this machine offers.
@@sierraecho884 I agree, I don't see any advantages to this over a multitude of other resin printers, especially at this price.
It's a step forward
sounds good, but what I would *really* love is a resin printer that doesn't need to peel off a build plate each layer but just build layer by layer by submerging the model slowly into a bath of resin. I know it requires much more resin, but for minis etc wouldn't it be 1000x more reliable?
The problem with resin printers isn’t the printers it’s the toxic resins
That’s 100% true. You need to handle it properly and have a separate space.
True, the cleaning and waste disposal is not fun.
This printer looks cool, personally i got my first resin printer this year the elegoo mars 5 ultra and i have found it incredibly reliable
Showing disconnected support tips in the "perfectly calibrated" printer printing is crazy work
I saw that too. I'm glad I'm not the only one. 😂
I have had a Elegoo Saturn S for about two years and haven’t even used it yet, I have been getting all the information around to give it a go and then I saw a video about the RS and a pre-order and how fail proof it was. So I bought one, because that’s what I want. Not having to figure out everything. Still looking for alternatives for IPA cleaning and found three, thinking about making a video comparing them but I have to study on how to make a video. Anyway, I can’t wait to try my RS.
you didn't address the main elephant in the room - AIR FILTRATION!
I agree. The main reason I'm sticking with FDM for now is that I don't want to deal with all the hassels of the Toxic Chemicals.
Yeah you need to print with the lid closed and in a very well ventilated area. Ideally with a respirator when post processing.
@@thenextlayer best to have the printer in an enclosure which vents out
@@thenextlayer all those people at the show be huffing and puffing all that resin goodies
@@DRDEC FDM is still highly toxic. its melting plastic my man!
Personally, I have a lot of knowledge and time dedicated towards FDM printing, but I absolutely don't want to deal with resin already, so literally leaving it in a (ventilated) room doing "one click and done" type printing is very appealing.
Yeah that's the exact kind of thing that makes this appealing to me, too.
You're my hero! Epoxy resin was going to be my jam and then I discovered 3D printing but now I can do both without the pouring! I feel there are some things (can't think of any atm) that are better done with resin than with plastic. Could be wrong but I aim to find out :D
Great video! I definitely want one myself and I feel like a lot of people who say they don't want to be apart of the ecosystem are the same people who own Apple phones and apple watches.
This seems awesome, and like a truly great leap forwards in the resin printing space.... but... your very first sentence, @0:00 "If there's one thing I hear time and time again in my comment's section, it's that most of you would rather avoid resin 3d printing all together". I don't think this printer will change that. Resin prints being finnicky and printers being not-user-friendly were the least of the reasons I personally didn't get a resin 3d printer (And the main reason I'm into 3d printing is WH and D&D minis, so resin would be awesome for sure) -- The real issue keeping the masses away from resin is the fume concerns. Needing proper ventilation and personal-protective-equipment .... it's more than I want to deal with. The reduced risk of spills from this printer's auto loading and unloading seems like the only thing targeting any of that, but it doesn't eliminate it.
So what keeps people from resin printing minitures is fear and laziness, they have time to spend hours painting a miniture but not 20 minutes cleaning one, they also hate DIY as they refuse to consider fume extractors that you would need anyways when sanding FDM prints or spray painting.
@@miguellopez3392 that's really a bit of an over exaggeration, don't you think. It's not fear to be respectful of your health for logical reasons. Nor does everyone have the luxury to be able to make such modifications to their living spaces for a DIY project of that nature. Some people don't own the places they live in and don't have the freedom to set up large fume hoods and extractors and ventilation, even if they didn't need to cut any holes in the walls. And shying away from one very specific and large project that you personally find acceptable does not instantly mean someone "hates DIY" - that's quite the gate-keeper-y claim if you ask me. 3D printing in general is a lovely hobby and I'll be damned before I dare say anyone willing to undertake any part of this hobby "hates DIY" or is "too lazy" lmao.
@@Night_Hawk_475 bro i use a $100 paint booth with extractor vent that i open only an inch of my window to vent out of my window. filament 3D printing started as a DIY hobby so i find it funny that opening window by an inch is too hard for them now that you can just buy filament printers.
@@Night_Hawk_475 thats the fear im talking about, why would i cut a hole in my wall when i can just use a $100 paint booth i triple for sanding and painting. i vent all the fumes out a 1 inch gap in my window, you see these imaginary barriers you made or yourself? you gate keep yourself.
i like thris printer i been watching it since it came out... hopefully they one day have better speeds..
It actually feels like a substantial upgrade from my Creality LD-006 and well worth the price of the machine. I would consider one, but as always, my country won't be getting deliveries anytime soon.
Dang sorry to hear. What country?
@@thenextlayer Mexico, we just finally got Bambu delivering here via amazon
This is super cool, and definitely brings the barrier to entry down a ton, but I’m really really just waiting for someone to come out with resins that you don’t need a hazmat suit to use. I don’t know if it will happen, or even chemically if it *can* happen, but the benefits of resin printing just don’t outweigh that for me now
Also, side note, I was sure the printer would be like $2k. Pretty cool that it’s like half that
Not to take away from what looks like an amazing printer, but they should take the time to at least mill the top of the plate to create an angle so the resin flows off of the top of it lol.
Yeah I wondered why they don’t do that too. Maybe it’s a patent or something? Or the geometry would mess with the peel force sensing?
(edit, it seems like they released an offline version of their slicer)
my main problem wtih heygears's approach is that AFAIK you can't use their machine without signing up/login to their services, this means if you buy it and for some reason they can't provide you service, that machine is basically dead weight
Didn't they recently launch their offline version of the slicer?
@@SomeoneAbstruse oh wow, if that's the case its totally cool then, i've watched a video about it like 2 months ago, but it seems like they released an offline version too. thanks!
@@stoinercraft6389 not 100% certain, but it seems they are capable of implementing community feedback. Bodes well for the future
@@stoinercraft6389They added an offline mode, yes. After A LOT of criticism. However, it's still a proprietary slicer, which is anti-consumerism at its peak. So is not even allowing dialing in third party resins (which bambulab does for fdm, so the comparison doesn't hold up in my opinion)
Heygears offers good products at a hefty premium. If you just want to use resin printing as a tool and you don't want to put in the work, that's fine. But don't try to sell this closed off approach as a good thing. Heygears could offer their perfectly dialed in resins while also opening up their system either through their slicer or by adding third party slicer support. Heck, they could even demand a one time payment for that like formlabs does but completely closing the system off REEKS
This feels a lot like that one Faux Hammer video (not that I'm complaining Keepo )
Ty for a 20 min ad.
Thanks for your video. I’m very much an FDM chap, but I do own an original Elegoo Mars which I bought secondhand a couple of years ago. Unlike you, I didn’t find the problem was failed prints, in fact I had very few of those. The issue is all about the resin, it is toxic, hard to work with and the environmental impact is not to be sniffed at. I was disappointed that this printer doesn’t somehow deal with waste and rest and post processing and all of the stuff that’s actually the problem. I think I’ll still stick to FDM. Thank you though
Post processing is FDM filement is not as biodegradable as is advertised you know that right?
Heygears is the Epson or HP of Resin printers, not Bambulabs. If at some point you cant login to their cloud then your printer is a paper weight. No other slicers, inability to profile 3rd party resins etc.
I went “Wow, that’s a lot of quality of life stuff! There’s not a shot in hell I can afford it”
I could be wrong - but the wargamer types value "just works" our or the box type experience more than the traditional FDM 3D printer crowd. The use-case for resin machines is a bit different and a bit more focused rather than the hugely different range of prints (and features) expected of FDM - so flexibility is less of a concern and so openness takes a back seat.
The walled garden thing drives me nuts personally.... But maybe Hey Gears can take notes from Bambu Labs and strike a good balance.
Resin printers have high flexibility as well ot just starts getting expensive with more engineered resins such as ones used in the dental industry, wall garden is a little necessary with resin.
Great video! I am contemplating either a resin printer or like a small CNC mill. Price is pretty attractive but I do want to wait and see what Bambu will offer come 2025 :)
Cool cool. But they’re all different tools for different purposes. Also the new Bambu machine will likely be quite expensive from what I hear. Like $4-5k.
If you have been having a 50% resin printer failure rate, that's on you. Once you have your printer, resin and supports dialed in, you would have maybe a 5% failure rate. I've had my GKTwo for over a year with maybe 10 failed prints in over 300 attempted. Cool printer, though.
GKTwo, as I understand it, is also a pretty good and advanced printer compared to the very budget ones I’ve used in the past… but yeah, as I said, I don’t want to deal with manually supporting, I suck at orienting, and I hate dialing in resins. It’s just not fun for me. I want to use it as a tool.
Agree. I have a little Photon Mono 2, which is in no way, shape, or form a high end resin printer: it's actually one of the most inexpensive.
Using ChituBox as the slicer was all I needed to do to make it into a monster, though. I have no issues anymore. Both the Anycubic Slicer and Lychee were a mess with tons of failures, hard to remove supports that STILL left scars on the print, etc. So essentially the point of my comment is that the hardware side of resin is hard to mess up: it's all in the slicer.
I only paid 1200 for my Saturn 2 with wash and cure stations. I cannot justify a 1000+ buck printer unless it had a larger build area. If anything they should see about making the software as a compatible like Klipper did for fdm . I been printing my fdm files for most part on the resin with beautiful results for most cases and only minor clean up.
Love your take on this printer, I tested in on release and was really impressed, Hey Gears actually dialled the RS back a bit from the Reflex to make it cheaper and more accessible for consumers, its still the best Resin printer I have ever used. Cool to see the comments from a different audience too, I get a lot of Hey Gears wont let me use my resin type comments.
Slicers leave a lot of room on the table for improvement in terms of automatic print orientation, and auto support generation and print failure and stability detection. I also think the 3D printers should be collecting data on failed prints. Ask the user why you're stopping the print or whether it printed successfully and if they opt in to sharing the model with the manufacturer, they might be able to figure out where it failed and improve the slicer accordingly. 3D printing needs to be a one click affair for it to become mainstream.
As someone who got started printing with jank machines that I spent as much time calibrating and repairing as I did actually printing with...
If I ever get a resin printer, I want it to be something like this. I do not give a shit about all the little ins and outs of keeping a budget machine from turning into an expensive paperweight. There's a lot to criticize about the Bambu approach, and things that I would change if given the option. But by God, I can turn it on and 9 times out of 10, expect it to work. If ever there's a resin machine that can match that, then I might give it a shot.
Thats where I am, too. With FDM machines, I’m gradually getting there too honestly. After spending so much damn time on the ERCF, and now my tool changer, I’m kind of done working on and tuning printers. I just want to use them to make cool stuff.
Then let's hope the manufacturer has good support, because there are two things I know about one-click solutions.
The first is that there is no such thing as a foolproof solution. There will always be cases where something goes wrong. Whether it is caused by the user or a problem caused by the manufacturer.
The second is that people who rely on one-click solutions have no idea what they're doing. And when things go wrong, they don't know what to do and need expert support.
If the manufacturer does not have good support, users will flood the community forums.
You raise a very valid point, and I didn't have a chance to try out their "normal" support obviously as I was with them in person. BUT, I didn't actually need any help besides them telling me what resin I was going to be using and whether or not the machines I was using had the self release module. It was shockingly easy. HOWEVER, you're right about the fact that users like me will have NO idea what we're doing, so I hope they have great support. I assume they do at this premium price point, though.
@@thenextlayer I did use the built in support system from their slicer. HeyGears was extremely responsive and resolved my problem to my complete satisfaction.
But isn’t the one-click just an option? To my knowledge you can still fiddle with most settings.
@@abbofun9022 Even if it is optional. Many will choose this product because of the promise that you don't need to know anything, the printer and software will take care of everything and it will just work. And because nothing is perfect, good support is important for a product like this.
I can see how this machine solves a lot of the software, set-up, and tuning side of resin, and would allow a shift from what is essentially artisanal, hand-crafted production to small-volume mass production. But as others have noted, the biggest problem with home/hobby resin printing is the toxicity of the resin and the massive amount of post-processing needed. Until and unless that ever gets solved, I feel like resin 3D printers don't really belong in a hobby workspace.
Do they have any flexible or even silicone resin? If not that would be great in the future
They do
This printer looks great and all but I'm not sure how many people are able to afford a whole month's rent on a 3d printer. Unfortunately the price of these is very high for the average hobbyist. Don't get me wrong I can see why they are expensive, they are fantastic machines, it's just that the price tag is steep in today's economy. Most people would rather pay bills and buy groceries with that money.
I am hoping for them to do well though if I had the spare cash I'd buy one for sure!
Bambu Lab became our go too because quality+price is their focus. This setup is still too pricey for the rest of us that work a regular 9to5 job. I'd rather stay with FDM, until Bambu Lab decides to try their luck at it, because they have gained my loyalty.
While I like the direction here, I think the main innovation needs to come from the actual resin itself. That's where the headaches come from (figuratively and literally). If some company can come up with a resin that works the same way, with no harsh/toxic fumes, won't burn skin, and requires little-to-no cleaning, they'll make resin printing as mainstream as FDM (if not more). That's the biggest barrier for the market. It's like FDM going from ABS to PLA as the standard.
I wasn't aware that resin printing was subject to such a high failure rate or that slicing and supports were an issue, so fixing those issues really didn't do much to change my mind about trying resin printing. You're still dealing with toxic resin and fumes and you still need to get a separate wash/cure unit which takes up more budget as well as shop space. Still a hard pass for me but I appreciate your review.
still a little pricy for a resin machine, at least for my preferences. I own both the original Photon and the Photon Mono 5S and have found that I just personally prefer more functional prints. I have probably used each machine less than 10 times. I mostly don't use them since its a hassle to get going and it takes about an hour to properly support a plate of models with next to no failures. I also don't like the hassle of calibrating my resin as I print in a garage where temperature fluctuates, so having pre-calibrated resin as a starting point rather than a community spreadsheet with multiple setting options does sound appealing. I could see myself spending the premium for 1st party resin since I don't use a ton of it in a year anyways.
If they can get the price down to around $500 in the coming years while retaining a lot of the compelling features like bambu did with the A1 then I could see myself picking one up. Until then, I am content with dealing with the hassle on the few occasions I need to take advantage of SLA printers and their extreme details.
You need a machine that does all the stages and gives you a dry cured model. Right from the printer. This is a true hassle free. Otherwise, you still have to deal with the smelly and bad materials. And you need a lab. Not for home use
Is there even such a thing on the market?
@thenextlayer i am working on such printer ;) made some prototypes. This is one of the reasons, i wanted to collaborate with your channel actually.
I've long been eyeing their OG Reflex, but they are really slow to new markets, and I don't wanna pay double VAT to import it myself, only to have multi-stage hassle if I ever need anything more (like their resin)
Also what's with the air compressor being dummy expensive? And I wonder what their engineers thought making that fun wash station. I like the company, but they are slow on market expansion. Like REALLY slow on market expansion
Edit: Thanks for another great vid. Hope they find the right loopholes to send you an RS (and a pallet of resin to feed it) for a proper review. Also was that the same Summer that appeared in Ross' livestream with them?
Dealing with liquids is never fun.
Liquids are escape artists.
They do look amazing but even with all the sales and deals going on it’s still expensive (2700$) not the best choice for getting into 3D printing for the first time or as a gift for the holidays.
Fair enough, but I think it’s under $2k with the deals. But also, I agree that a resin 3D printer generally isn’t a good first printer!
You mentioned other youtubers calling this the Bambu labs of resign. But you left out that most said it’s over priced and not a recommend. It’s nice but not worth it to them. Especially since everything that makes this great is with their proprietary expensive resign is gone and it’s a regular printer.
You printed in their controlled environment with their resign. Of course your experience is going to be amazing lol
There are different audiences out there, the occasional hobbyist who isn’t worried about the lock in could well be very happy with the experience even if it costs a few bucks more. Remember that failed prints have a price too and just the monetary price.
@@mrmidnight32 , resign (to quit) is not the word you had in mind.
@ auto correct strikes again lol
I was just wondering if I should get this or bambu lab a1 printer I am just getting into printing and was going to buy the a1.
Start with FDM
Sooo. They are basically incorporating the sla equivalent of klipper. Bigger computer with more sensors adjusting in real time. I like it!
Resin printing is about exposure time, not motion ability. But if you've bought into this nonsense, I guess do your thing.
1000 for the printer and another 1000 for the cleaner and curing station. Is that normal in resin printing? A 1000 for a high end printer seems fair, but the additional 1000 seems high
This is a pretty premium printer. But don’t think of it as 1000, it’s 500 for the curing station and 500 for the washing station. Both are actually not 100% necessary either. You can wash in a vat of alcohol and shake it up or stir, and you can cure in sunlight.
I would just use a cheap wash and cure from anycubic.
@@jorgesantander7454 yes, 160 for dual-purpose machine that seems big enough to wash whole build plate 😉
Maybe HG twins also brew coffee, triple as solarium and clean spills 😅
you sound like my supervisor. he dosent want to learn about any of the processes in the shop either he just wants to tell me how to do it
The big issue with walled gardens for me is that if the company collapses, or decides to alter the deal, I'm stuck with a glorified $1000 paper weight. I just don't trust companies because companies have really poor track records of supporting products long term. I really want 1 button resin printing, but until its here, without a walled garden approach I'm just going to stick to FDM.
The printer is not made for hobby types, its made for reliable work flows, you can still use other resins but will have to stick to the previous sets, basically you buy this printer if you intend to make money.
For nearly 2k, I could get an entire setup for resin printing and still have 1600 left over.
Someone needs to build one that does the print, wash and cure without ever touching it. Whoever builds that system will make the money. I hate the process and cleanup. I have to say my FDM h is clean, nothing to really drip. My original elegoo mars was a nightmare. My new elegoo Saturn Ultra 4 is a decent work horse, very few failures but still has the mess to deal with. If it wasn't for the mess it has been a decent machine so far. But my go to is fdm simply because of the mess.
I feel like this is an Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra ad read off by a different company.
Couldn't they just make the top side of the build plate sloped like a roof so that the resin slides of and doesnt pool on top?
Yeah I’m not sure why they didn’t do that but I suspect it has something to do with the peel force sensor or something because most printers have that.
@@PopsGG The build plate is a flat slab of stainless steel (supposedly). This is the only company that I know of that uses stainless steel. Other companies use cheap aluminum for their build plates. I don’t know if these aluminum build plates are cast with a sloped roof and then CNC milled to spec, or if they are a slab of aluminum which is then CNC milled to have a sloped roof and then the rest is CNC milled to spec. I am not a CNC guy, and I don’t know how difficult (or expensive) it is to CNC mill stainless steel for a build plate to have a sloped roof. The point is that the cost or difficulty maybe drove Heygears to stick to a flat-roof build plate because they preferred the strength and durability of stainless steel over using aluminum for the build plate.
If it's dumb user friendly like Bambu labs then I think it's worth it
"As good as an experienced user" comments across the internet don't seem to agree with that. And any device that requires you to use their slicer is an instant Hell No from me.
Doesn't matter to me... you still need heavy ventilation for the fumes. Imagine running a resin printing farm in your house, nope not gunna happen.
Seems like something I could get into but resin doesn't have strong enough properties for what I use 3d printing for.
I thought so too but holy crap Phrozen has some INSANE resins that are stronger than any FDM part I’ve ever seen. But I don’t know if heygears has such resins in their ecosystem yet.
@thenextlayer I'll have to check out the phrozen stuff.
Does their slicer run on Linux? It would be a major barrier to me owning one of these machines.
HeyGears is using the walled garden approach like Bambu Labs does. This is a common strategy in very high end CNC equipment. You generally use what the manufacturer recommends other than consumables. I prefer the walled garden approach but will never own a resign printer.
Yeah. I mean… I’d call it like the ultimaker or makerbot approach but yeah. I prefer not to mess around. I’m a dedicated apple user lol
It is not like someone could slice a print and just put the SD card into a Bambu printer. It is just when it comes to remote printing where it is a walled garden
The filters in your audio are a tiny bit too aggressive, sound from your voice cuts too soon (making everything sound choppy). I'm also unsure if the audio peaks a little, hard to tell tho.
Edit: at the time of writing the review, I am mostly talking about the moments where you record from your studio.
Doesn't seem like a big leap forward, just a few more sensors and more precision parts, I'm not seeing any groundbreaking innovation here . . . and it's expensive for a resin printer !
5 years ago it was not uncommon for this level of quality printers to be $5000
There needs to be a resin printer that fits in the niche of easy printing. People criticizing them for a closed system have the choice of using a printer from any other manufacturer. No one is forcing them to buy a Heygears. Will I own one? Probably not. If I was doing resin printing as a business though, you can be darn sure I'd rather have a farm of these than the other sub $1000 resin printers out there. So let the open source fanboys whine and ignore them. There IS a place for an ecosystem like this. So I hope they do really well, so they can remain a viable option for those needing simple reliability with resin.
Same.
Ecosystem free systems are for uber experts, not the average person. I'm fine with it either way.
$70 for 1kg of Resin... more than double other brands and I heard that you can not change exposure times to calibrate different resins for the printer. And with how much resin you have to go through to make prints... you will go broke in no time and the machine will just sit around and do nothing.
What good is half priced resin if you waste 50% of it on failed prints like I do? Comes out the same price.
They do have resin targeted at 30 dollars, might not get it that cheap in every country but still, if that's not cheap enough then well then why are you looking at spending one grand on a printer, that's like buying a super car and filling it with farts
@@thenextlayer weird. We use Mars 4 (non-ultra) and Anycubic water washable resin+ (less than 40/kg), default settings, and no fails if properly supported. Of course we don't print FDM-sized things with resin 😉
For that price, it better works lol.
heygear trying to be formlab lite
with how good my p1s prints minis with a .2 nozzle, man this is not worth three machines. thank you for your review, but i'm out on theses
I wish this system was cheaper
To it costs more then my saturn 4 Ultra
I'm not use to comment on YT video but in this case I feel I need to because I feel there is a lots of mis-information in there regarding resin printing.
Fist of all a bit of a disclosure: I'm a log time model maker and I've worked with mould and resin for several decade for making my moulds and models, since about 1y age a get myself a resin printer, specifically a Saturn 2 8k.
Now lets be frank resin is a shit of a material in any form it came: it's smell, stain, and is not really something you'll like to be around.... but neither, I suppose, is a PETG or ABS melted filament...
So about resin printing is not different from a FDM process: it require calibration, proper setup and cleaning of the printer and by "cleaning " I don't mean empty the resin tray at the and of every print, but be sure that the plastic transparent film of the tray is free from residues especially if you have a failed print.
For the rest if you keep the lid close you can leave the resin in it no problem, jus remember to steer it properly before printing.
Calibration is the most important think, not only the build plate need to be perfectly flat but resin is very sensible to humidity and, more important, temperature so, while the recommended resin setting you'll find online or on the bottle itself a good start, those refer to a "standard condition", like 20°C and 30% humidity... but you need to calibrate the resin for YOUR working conditions.
And, as much as you calibrate and FDM printer to every material, toy have to do so per every resin, be it a different brand, a different type (water or alcohol based) and even colour... plus if you keep the printer in a room that suffer lager temperature variation during the year is not a bad thing to prepare a couple of profile for summer and winters print.
Lets be clear here: a proper calibration take about 30' and, if you use a proper slicer like Lychee or Chitubox (yes, even the free one), you can save your profile for every resin and every printer you have, so is a "do it once" job.
About failed printer is not that different as an FDM too: you need to do proper support, but program like Chitubox or Lychee have a good build-in auto support repair and support feature that are good for most print and only if you push the limit of the printer and need the most detail out of the print you'll maybe required to do some adjustments to the support.
So, to summarise, do not make resin printing seam like a pain: a good printer and a bit of time can give you very good result (and no, with no layer lines), as much as in some situation even better then ad FDM, if some one is not willing to spend a bit of time the fault is not the printer or in the technology, is you, as much as it is on an FDM print.
With their proprietary resin and lack of ability to create your own resin profiles for other brands , I'll never buy one. Plus their resin is outrageously expensive for the amount you get. Cheapest resin they have is 30 dollars for 1 kg. Over double of many brands. Also the printer isn't inexpensive.
To each his own. I waste more than 50% of my resin with failed prints so $30 sounds great to me.
35 dollars is an average resin price, 15 dollars is the cheapest most toxic crap you can find, why on earth would you spend 1k on a printer and use the worst resin you can find?? at that point just get a cheaper printer and invest more in resin. There are loads of cheap crappy printers out there I don't get why people have to complain about the few printers that offer much better quality for a higher price, I don't like the locked settings either but at the end of the day that's the business model, they sell printers with thin margins, they might even loose money, so they can then make it on the resin. If you don't like it the real issue is the lack of competition at these higher price brackets.
was 50kg a mistake? thats a massive amount of weight
I wnted to look at the Printer at their site, but having to click the same Black Friday commercial away 5 Times before I could even see the price of the Printer, I just gave up.
They are nowhere near the status of bambu, more like on the lines of apple because of the whole lockdown consumables nature, oh wait unless you're using the pap 10 settings your resin might work but results do vary lol
Ok, I'll watch a video that has the words "fun" and "resin" in the same sentence.
Can you get high breathing resin fumes? Sounds ''''fun''''
It can be messy if you're a slob, but it's not that hard even with the budget printers.
The auto orientation and supports suck on this machine, it literally turns minis on their face 90 percent of the time.. exactly where you don't want supports.
That wasn’t my experience at all.
I consider getting a Reflex RS with the heated bed to replace my old Anycubic so I can operate it in my unheated shed, but the fact that there is no option to use other resins is a dealbreaker for me since I have a bunch of unused resin that I want to use with it. So unless they update and add an option for other brands of resins or to make my own custom settings I am leaning towards UniFormation GK3 whenever that comes to market.
i'll use resin 3d printer when we got non toxic resin lol
Still looks like a hassle compared to fdm. 😅
complicated use & ridiculously unrealistic price tags are a lot of what's kept me away from resin, despite curiosity, aside from living in a fairly small place where ventilation isn't the greatest. it's nice to see a company finally addressing some of that, though it remains unlikely i'll be jumping into that arena any time soon - i'll likely have an expansive, completely diy print farm at a house i've purchased before the price of such an ecosystem either becomes affordable enough or practical enough for me to seriously consider getting it. thanks for the comprehensive look, though!
Puhh These start at 1300 $ 🥲
I Stick with my Elegoo Saturn 3 Ultra i got mine used i never Printed in Resin before but i didn't had a print failure so far 🎉
It’s like $750 with my coupon
You forgot to mention that you basically cannot use any other brand of resin other than heygears branded ones
@@dambukarincasi9576 You can use other resins but they really don't support them. There is a channel on RUclips for what resins work.
You can. You just can't use the automatic filling stuff. Nothing stops you pouring in your resin.
At around 7 minutes he says you can use other brands.
@ you cant adjust any settings with 3rd oarty resins, you enter in the product id thats on the bottle and it retrieves a profile for it, if that profile isnt created by heygears you cannot use that resin
Bambu Lab quality is affordable for me. Sadly, HeyGears is not.
X1C is more expensive than this printer…
@@thenextlayer Not if you plan on washing and curing your resin prints
@@lifetech101 you don't have to use their wash and cure systems
When I saw the title I was actually excited that someone's tackled the most annoying aspects of resin printing, but after watching the video I'm actually disappointed. It turned out to be clickbait, which I catched. Basically only little of the actual problems of resin printing have been addressed, like toxins, separate machine for curing/washing, boxes etc. Even though you tried to make it seem like it's an "honest review" (with your opinion at the end), it's nothing more than a shallow ad, as you were very clearly biased due to appreciation for being able to fly there.
Again, I'm not saying the printer is good or bad, I just feel like you try to overhype it
They really made no Roof formed Top? Weak... 😂
This just sounds like a bad ad. I found my first cheap resin printer to be extremely simple and problem-free compared to fdm printing. I think all resin printers are easy and fun - how are you failing?
The price is the problem, it’s like $2000 to $3000
*before clicking* It's going to be the HeyGears proprietary nonsense isn't it?
*clicks* Yep.
I would watch just to see how many times you call it "the Bambu of resin" but I'm not going to waste my time. I hope you got a good bag, at least?
You can still use your own resin, its not a Keurig machine.
SLA
It blows my mind that resin printing is so utterly crappy. It displays an absolute lack of customer focus from minimum effort manufacturers who want to drip feed just enough improvement to beat their rivals' low effort machines. It just takes one disruptor to say "Screw that, we're doing the best we can" and suddenly everyone is trying 10x harder. But for me, as with Creality's awful printers, it's too little way too late.
Conclusions, u can still buy a good printer for half if this price...
Why do you keep suggesting that this is an "entry level" printer? It maybe entry level if you're Elon Musk. The $2,100 (USD) RS combo is no more entry level than a $1,300 Bambu Labs X1C combo. A $180 Anycubic Photon with a DIY washer and curing rig is entry level.
Formlabs’ better
Yeah but aren’t those like $5k…?
Good point, I guess I just like to make parts more than good looking stuff…
Ummm, ever hear of uniformation? Better specs and design, included vat heating, drip proof plate with never submerged top, vat clips, etc
they don't have c5 grade ground ball screws and the gk2 had a matrix light which isn't very sharp while the new ones have a COB which might be good or not idk, but people are having plenty of other issues with them, I've seen tests proving the reflex to be very very sharp and while I've also seen QC issues with it that doesn't seem as common as the new gk printers where most have curved plates and the big one is getting resin leaks due to an issue with the refill system. I do much prefer the gk plates though, I made a printed mod to make one of my plates like it
If you were getting 50% success rate then you were doing something wrong. This printer is way too expensive for something that is just a hobby.
Paid rep much? Don’t forget to install HONEY!
How confident can one be, when a company calls itself something as ridiculous as HeyGears.
but still super toxic resin? that's the deal breaker for me. i don't live in or have access to an air filtered and monitored laboratory. and just a few sips can kill you? i just don't have that kind of self-control....
Great vid. It’s funny how people within 3D printing will whine and cry about proprietary ecosystems etc but yet will quite happily use apple devices.
It’s the same principle but cos that’s a phone and this a hobby riddled with gatekeepers they don’t see the similarity.
I just want print stuff
This would work for me
Oh they lambast me plenty about using Apple devices, I just roll my eyes.
Check their propriety resin and how much it costs for you to buy + ship it
I am an Android and Linux user. So I'm allowed to moan about closed ecosystems. 😁
The problem with closed ecosystems is that companies like to exploit them to make more profit and extend their dominance in one area to other areas.
Closed ecosystems are ok if you have an open market. Then everyone can pick and choose what they want. It becomes problematic when one manufacturer dominates the market.