Bushey crossbow attacks: Country united in ‘outrage’ after ‘shock’ killing
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- “It’s an unbelievable story, the sort of story that unites the country in grief and horror and outrage.”
Mums and dads are on “alert” after three women were killed in a crossbow attack in Bushey, says political commentator Matthew Stadlen.
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It’s beyond tragic that a man comes home from work to find utter carnage with both his daughters and wife dying in their own home, my heartfelt, condolences because he’s never going to be able to unsee that.
It's awful to think what he went through walking into his own home..
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My wife of my 4 children died on my birthday in front of my young children. Life is tough 😪 🙏 rip
Cross bows are not easy to use so this is strange
Ban crossbows or not. People will always find a way.
Yup.M .ultra.?
"Ban nuclear missiles or not. People will always find a way"
so should any weapons be banned in your view?
@@ottz2506you've got to look at what you can actually do with a weapon. I saw a Scouse lad get into a fight with a group of lads outside a chippy and he put that little wooden fork in-between his fingers. He did some damage tbf but we can't all start eating chips like an American and just grabbing them with our bare hands just because one scouser went full wolverine.
The point is if he used a kitchen knife then he would have done the same damage but if he had access to say an AR platform or really any firearm other than a bolt action then he could have taken the whole street out or a hospital or shopping centre or something. Not all weapons are created equal
@@me5969 to your last point, it's almost as if it isn't always the 'it's not the weapon but the person' excuse. A wooden fork wouldn't have killed three people and a wooden fork isn't designed to be used as a weapon.
Banning crossbows because of this lunatic is crazy. If he didn’t have a crossbow he would’ve used a kitchen knife, or a blunt instrument, or just his hands. Why punish all the people who responsibly enjoy archery as a sport because of this? This country is absolutely nuts.
the crossbow laws in this country are dumb though. After 18, you don't need to have a licence to get one. Literally, anyone can get one so I don't see why at least changing the law so it makes it harder for cranks like this to get one is a bad thing.
@@ottz2506 sensible policy has to be based on real evidence instead of an immediate emotional reaction to a specific tragic incident - especially when you’re talking about curtailing civil liberties.
Do you know how many deaths involving a crossbow were recorded in the UK before this incident? I checked the ONS and there are zero incidents recorded.
Then you have to ask yourself if the policy would’ve prevented this particular incident, and the answer is no. Of course not.
@@dan79600 let's allow people to own nukes. How many deaths involving nukes have been recorded in the UK? Zero. Exactly. Why should law abiding citizens have their civil liberties curtailed? Sensible policy has to be based on real evidence instead of an immediate emotional reaction to a specific tragic incident.
Also there have been people who have been killed with crossbows before this. Not hard to find this out.
You must not have looked them up because it states on the ONS site that there is no specific ICD-10 code for deaths involving strikes from a crossbow or other non-firearm range weapons, so you couldn't really find data on it because they either don't hold data on crossbow shootings or they're unable to say whether some deaths were attributed to crossbow strikes. So you can't really bring up ONS to back up your claim for this very specific type of attack.
@@dan79600 no such thing as sensible regulation on self defence
@@LibertarianGalt we had one school shooting, banned pistols and have since had ZERO school shootings.
Ayone with hair cut like that, Needs to be in jail.
Naming their child Kyle is also criminal
@@2icelollys1goatYep. 😂
The fruits of grooming..
@@2icelollys1goat I'll be back.
Someone called a haircut police
Heart bleeds for the husband and dad. The emotions he must be going through is unfathomable.
Great family ,his older brother is in prison for killing a man
famous are they? history??
What's that got to do with the rest of the family? Comn mate everyone has a bad apple but killing family members is harsh cus their brother is in prison.
@@harisnaeem5342 Jusr read about what his vile brother is in prison for and you will see what kind of ‘bad apples’ they BOTH are. Can two more cruel and savage related creatures exist? Byond comprehension….heartbreaking. Condolences to this poor man.
@@alanbevis5317obviously that's why they both psychopaths and have no empathy for people. He obviously joined the army to quench his blood first
Changed his name on here havent they .
Why do people in this country think objects make you do things? Are you that immature as a society that first minute is about "huh how did he get weapon , noone should blah blah"... Thats not really the problem. The problem is the guy. Went and killed. The crossbow didnt whisper things to him like a voldemort or smth.
If he didn’t have access to it, he would have used something else. It was premeditated, this isn’t the deterrent they think it is.
It’s like they find the most simple minded people to put into positions of authority.
When a crime is committed by one person, the media and the family now demand that a law has to be brought in. Why..
He's one of the usual suspects
I mean, it is a bit weird how he got his hands on a large medieval-era weapon and nobody asked any questions about it.
@Acidicstudios you can pick them sort of things up in antique shops,It wouldn't take long to get working if you have half an idea
As a father of similarly aged daughters, and a husband, I’m absolutely devastated for John Hunt. Sadly, the previous government has made it policy to keep people with mental health issues in the community. I hope and pray that the new government looks into this in a robust manner. Also, the Army does train killers. Maybe they need de-programming before they return to civilian life?
Not condemning but u can use anything as a weapon, awful what happened
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A stone/rock, apple full of razor blades. We armed to the teeth out here when you think about it
So you think that tying them up and using them as targets is the same as any other weapon killing?
With respect that is a ridiculous comment. While technically any object could be a weapon, clearly those objects that are designed specifically to be used as weapons are far more dangerous. It therefore makes total sense to concentrate on restricting access to weapons, especially powerful ones like crossbows.
@@danielsiddon8206 The flaw in this sort of commentary is that it’s, in fact, perfectly obvious who would perish if we pitted someone with a fork or ‘razor-blade apple’ against someone with a gun or crossbow. There’s a reason why certain things are called weapons and others are not.
Crossbow or not he would have his way anyway, mental illness? Deranged? who knows, but a ban on crossbows might mean a ban on bows, a ban in forks where does it stop?....it just goes to show that we live a reasonable safe country considering how many different ways someone can take a weapon to violence, this is not the norm.
Its not a ban if you just put in place more restrictions to stop crossbows being easily obtained. Should be similar to guns in this country if you cant provide a good reason for owning a crossbow then you shouldnt have one. Trying to compare a crossbow to a fork is ridiculous.
even if you don't ban them, the laws around them need to be changed. Anyone over the age of 18 can get one of these. Guns here are more regulated than crossbows.
@@ottz2506 They don’t need to be changed. It’s incredibly rare for this to happen. Reactionary policies aren’t what’s needed.
@@TheAArmstrong of course they need to be changed. Anyone over the age of 18 can get a hold of these without the need for a licence or registration.
A nuclear attack is very rare but we still don’t allow any rando to be able to obtain a nuke.
@@chindit6784 obviously not comparing forks with crossbows, but similar could apply, one doesn't need to be proficient to cause terrible harm with a fork, is the point, the amount of bows crossbows in circulation by sales etc, would suggest bows are not the issue, unstable people are.
Do not ban crossbows please, hundreds of people use them safely, just like all other weapons!!! Its the person not the weapon.
Its part of there plan to ban them
If my local council have told me in writing that I can't keep a pet crocodile in my basement they are definitely not gunna let you keep crossbows. If you haven't noticed we live in a nanny state and it's only going to get worse until the sheeple wake up.
@@garythefishable I own 2 guns legally, get it together bro lol, Britain is what you make of it, play by the rules, fill out the forms and enjoy ur safety, crocodile...??? Yeah no ur council was right about that 😂😂
You think it's ok that only criminals can own guns alongside licensed owners ?
Criminals are getting arms and women like me can't even have a pepper spray.@@michaelmcinally5899
@@michaelmcinally5899 "The council wouldn't let me keep a wild animal in my house. Basically 1984"
Focus constantly on crossbow ! 🧐
You smell it too? Those who knew what to do 4 years ago knew this day would come
Haaaa… the media play this like a stringed instrument to the governments tune … we have eyes to see!!!!!
Desperate to disarm the public as they release more criminals and take in more migrants
They are so predictable....
They think we are all idiots 😂
Ban people
Yes. People are the biggest killers of people.
ban men
This is so sad. The ladies all lost their lives and the husband/father has lost all his close family
Banning weapons will not stop this kind of thing
should people be able to own a nuke?
Can't have the general public protecting themselves now can we...
Protecting ourselves from who hmm! Men? Who are 85% of police arrests yearly, 96% of prisoners! Who are the ones that call themselves “the protectors” again!
I will not comply
Isn't he from Morocco?
Ban immigrants not crossbows
He is from the UK, one of you 😂
@@dresdi
Looks mixed
From UK, served in British army, haircut from turkish barbers is the only foreign thing about him.
@@bushwhackeddos.2703And?
@@Quinnlin😂 looking at his criminal brother you are very wrong.
I wish we didn't keep introducing reactive laws. Now, in this day and age, the British Public has no way at all of defending ourselves in our homes or on the streets. I totally understand that the horror of this crime. We need to balance the emotional reaction with facts. RIP to all the ladies involved.
Sorry that you'll have to hand in your open carry crossbow that you keep for self defence???
should people be allowed to own nukes?
@@user-tz9wk2rj2d A nuke is a weapon. Why should people be prevented from having one? It's not about the weapon. It's about the person right?
If it's not about the weapon but the person, then you should therefore support allowing people to be able to attain nukes.
Or do you understand that there are times when banning a weapon from public use is a good thing and that it isn't always just 'about the person'?
@@ottz2506 Well said.
@@ottz2506exactly this, I always see people say “oh they’ll just find another way/use a different weapon” as if that means we shouldn’t do anything about it. Even if they could find another way, we should probably try to make it as difficult for them as possible😅
Addressing the root cause should be avoided by the media and the focus directed at the weapon !
peaceful religion
@@degenatron2319what?
Here we go, reason to criminalise crossbows, last time they used Hungerford.
Do u need a license for a crossbow?
@@abtarmiah3799Nope.
@@abtarmiah3799no as long as you do not have a criminal record
they should be banned
@@charliewhite1000 why would anybody need a crossbow?
Society is getting more insane as things go on.
This is all just propaganda to ban crossbows.
What grief that husband and dad will be feeling, I hope he gets a great deal of support to help him get off the floor, because I am sure he will feel absolutely devastated, RIP lovely Ladies, BRING BACK CAPITAL PUNISHMENT,
He more likely has been sedated, I think anyone in that situation would have to be. RIP ❤
Are they dim enough to think that this happened only because he had a crossbow... His intent was clear and he would of used a knife, wooden stick, rock or his hands to do this.
People calling for a ban on crossbows, you can 3D print a crossbow and the bolts if you want something fancy, or use a piece of wood, some cord and a steel bar, impossible to ban.
Eh?. It's easy to ban them if the chose too. You can 3D print a gun and they are banned. I'm not sure how widespread crossbow injuries and crimes are so if it gets banned I'm indifferent but you saying it's impossible to ban them because someone can make one doesn't make sense.
i understand your point though one person 3d printing or making stuff out of wood 9 times out of 10 isnt going to produce something that can replicate the performance of a lightweight high precision mostly silent hunting crossbow with immense stopping power that you can buy with little checks instead of having to craft for months in advance pre-meditated.
some people could just snap and buy one of these with relatively short notice and use it asap. im not well versed in the checks for these kinds of things but im interested to hear any new details on the case, see if they let him have one even if he may have had a long history of mental issues on record or something.
i do think the fact that a crossbow is way quieter than a firearm is one of its most dangerous features, thats supposedly one of the reasons knives are so preferred in gangs in london, theyre silent and dont draw attention.
What a man killed a prison guard with a homemade one, made out of bog roll paper mach'e and boxer short elastic and a pen..
@@TheycallmeMrWonka 3D printed guns are only viable in the US where you can buy ammo easily. In the UK printing a gun would be simple enough, getting your hands on live ammunition would be the hard part.
you can make one yourself even without 3D print.
Crossbows ARE evil,blah,blah..Totally predictable.
Soon you won't be able to purchase silverware in the U.K.
#sporklife
Holding a fork doesn’t instill the same potential sense of ruthless, vengeful power as does holding an object that’s actually classified as a weapon.
Ah
Those infamously dangerous automatic knives and forks …….
With a labour government in power once they start taxing you won't be able to afford any silverware 😂😂
Why would other mums and dads be on alert? stop trying to scare people. He's been caught!
R.I.P to them women,Narcissism is on a rise.....Mind out who get involved with
I can’t even imagine what the father will be feeling right now..
This is insane. you don't see that in American movies. it's worse than the texas chainsaw massacre.
"Kyle Clifford"? Thats an Alias surely?🤔
I bet that is his "dead name". He is most likely named Abdul Muhamad Muhammad Abdul.
@@DaveZee823no he is a jew
@Occident👈 Knuckle dragger.
Yeah more like Kyle Clifford born 2000 died of cot death 6 months later...
@@DaveZee823He doesn't look completely European to me, he looks middle Est or Iranian, as I am Italian. But he got an English name
Are you seriously concentrating on the crossbow & hinting at these things should be banned? What if he had done the deed with a kitchen knife or a hammer? Would you be implying that they are the issue & should be banned? Mental health & motive is the issue, not the method.
Crossbows are banned in most target archery clubs due to the fact that you do not require any skill to shoot one, whereas not many would be able to shoot a proper bow. Crossbows are like guns, point and shoot. I blame large department stores like decathlon and trago who sell to the general public with no background checks or knowledge about what they are selling. Most archery shops insist you are a member of a club and have completed a coarse.
You will however never stop people obtaining weapons by other means.
Meanwhile all intelligent people blame the murderer, not his method and certainly not a shop he may or may not have bought something at. As for background check he is ex-Army and we have no information on any criminal record so what is your point Karen?
3 people dead to crossbow close quarters? Sorry what ?
Just remember how long it takes to reload also ……
he tied them up, can you imagine the terror they must have felt? horrifying
@@Bahshshsvsh ah yes, blame the people who have died for dying…
Soldiers are trained to be impassionate and ofted traumatised by their training and experiences.
This person was 'in the Army' for a year. That's almost six months for basic training, and then the next three months finding out that he couldn't take it. Getting out takes three months, and while you're waiting you get all the low-grade stuff to do, like 'black-hand gang', keeping the location clean and tidy, or 'runner' - taking mail and stuff around. Hardly any kind of a soldier.
🙄he was a drop out.
Where did you read that soldiers are trained to be dispassionate?
What about all the soldiers returning from the 1st and 2nd world war? A lot were traumatised, but they didn't all walk around shooting people with crossbows .
@@jacquelinepeters3575
They had easy access to guns.
I send my condolences too Mr Hunt I can't even imagine loosing my entire family
guys who did this used to look deranged. but lately there looking more normal.
Evil doesn't have a look, unfortunately
Normal?
You mean you've been conditioned to accept seeing the 3rd world living in your neighbourhood!
Manhunts used to take longer, so suspects were often in a more dishevelled state when they were finally apprehended.
I wouldnt say he looks normal. No 'normal' man sculpts their eyebrows like that. Bloke was an insecure coward. I'd also love to know his heritage.
That haircut is only normal in one community.
even in this story the english cannot help but mention how they happened to win a game of football and say that the country celebrated.... which country is that then????
Keep your loved ones close trust no one
Very very sad to hear this kind of news.
Are we banning half bricks yet?
You are lucky they are not banning stupidity.
@@DAN420. Labour will never ban that, they rely on it to get elected.
Apparently half-bricks aren't primarily made to throw at people. If only you could build a wall with a cross-bow , then boys could keep their power toys.
Why, are you worried you may have to give up the ones between your ears?
@@DAN420. When would you and your family be protesting against it?
not white native is he ????
Lucy Letby was.
There's more to this .
I smell a government
" problem,reaction,solution "
narrative .
I think you're smelling the stench of your bs.
@@ribz747
Correct. Didn’t think it would long before these morons appeared, talking absolute garbage
Another false flag probably,, actors involved, and obviously we will never see the carnage..
They're getting frightened of civil unrest is why.
@@wor53lg50 meanwhile starmer sends missiles to Ukraine to antagonise Russia...we are doomed...
In the first few minutes, so much was said without saying anything. What a waste of time
If somebody's coming to take your life and there's no way out you have to take that person life don't you. I'm speaking about life and death situations. Where in the heat of the moment the government and the law can't save you.
Should I be concerned by the fact I am not outraged ?
That someone murdered 3 innocent women in their home in coldblood? Yes you should be concerned you may have a shrunken amygdala aka a psychopath.
@@ribz747 Every chance of that.
Remember, Matthew Stadlen = psyop
Helen Lewis = psyop
Marianna Spring = Phyop
Wasn’t even a crossbow what a joke on the reporting. It’s very sad though but banning legal users isn’t right. It’s a power grab.
There’s nothing wrong with Joe Biden now that wasn’t obvious in 2020 .
When I heard this yesterday, my initial reaction was that this is bloody awful, but it’s no less shocking than a terrorist attack. I’m not doing a comparison thing to bring about debates or cause controversy, I’m being serious. He terrorised those women with a weapon and killed them. That poor family. The neighbours must be in shock as well. That kinda tragedy doesn’t just shake the victims and the nearest and dearest, it scared everyone.
Like MSM understand how ppl feel, do you ppl have feelings.
We have the common law right to bear arms full stop
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It’s tragic what happened but banning crossbows is absolutely absurd. Banning items doesn’t stop criminals from using them. I hate the British attitude towards self defence and the government’s obsessive need to take away people’s freedom of choice and responsibility. Crossbows have been used for thousands of years to hunt and for self defence and also for sport and leisure. Banning them because of a few isolated incidents makes zero sense. It’s pathetic. If a mad man gets behind a car and smashes in to a crowd of people will the government ban cars? It just sounds ridiculous.
Make crossbows illegal, they're all over the Internet.
The weapon isn't the problem almost anything can be a weapon. Is this the usual suspects?
Peaceful Religion - Peaceful Activities 😡
I agree, Christianity and thier barbaric views.
What possible motive would cause such a thing? And was he known to the family, or was it some chance encounter? It's very unnerving as well as tragic. So sad.
Yeah from a culture that don't like rejection from what they consider as second class citizens.
Isn’t he English Kyle Clifford ? He just looks like he’s not English
You mean the British culture? The mother fckr is british
He's British and his brother is in prison for killing an Asian teenager after mowing him down with his car and further attacking him. The teen and another youth had scratched or touched the brother's car with their moped, which led to the brother giving chase and mowing them down. Charming English family, but like you say, it's a culture of males that can't take rejection 😊
He’s English lol… my driving instructor knows his mum. She’s English. 🙄
Why are you pretending that only people with fair features are "native"? You do know that Boris Johnson is of Turkish descent... genetic make-up isn't as clearcut as your simple, 2 braincelled mind would like to think.. then again, thinking is clearly not your strong point.
I'm deeply sorry for what happened. Those poor girls and their mother. :(. it makes me so sad when I think about their dad and sister. ...Last week we had a crossbow attack on a policeman who was guarding the Israeli embassy in Belgrade, Serbia... He was attacked by an Islamist extremist using the same weapon. I know this has nothing to do with this case but crossbows should not be sold online for 50 eu or anywhere in the world... They are as deadly as any other kind of weapon.
...ban cars because of car accidents.
You need a license for a car. Your comment makes no sense.
they are already on that. Check WEF
@@XmortravenX Well, human agency in driving will eventually be banned. Cars are becoming self-driving because people, as ever, can’t be trusted.
Cars have a valid use..
@@Awibrahor😳
Very strange that Mr Cliffords Uncle is called Mohammed Alamani?
You don’t need to be an immigrant to develop certain convictions, you can be influenced by a certain culture here in the UK.
I wonder why such a pleasant picture is used of a suspect over a horrific crime? 🤔
You can also still buy long bows what they use in archery…..they are just as lethal…But only few people know how to use them.
Oh the horror we should ban string next!
Yea because it's rocket science at its best😅
Usual suspects
Christians*
yeah Kyle Clifford who is a white man is a usual suspect tbf
He's a turk, therefore he's a Muslim not Christian. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
English, christian
He's a Muslim not Christian. That's what your kind do.
Going for the crossbow ban
That poor man. Unbelievable thing to happen to a lovely family. My deepest condolences to John Hunt and his family.
Firstly is the perpetrator still alive? He was caught but taken to hospital to be treated.
please Times Radio do a report on youTube comment bots, examine who is spamming your channel with "the level of respect and civility in this community is commendable... fresh air".
The killer and his brother were 2 adopted migrant children from moroco and both became murderers in 2 separate events
He does not look like a kyle Clifford....name changed for sure
The tiny lil policewomen
Another person quoted "Kuhail Keifhadd" This seems plausible. Media cover up in process seems likely. Honour killing perhaps we will see. Deep concern.
He could have done the same with a broken pool cue, stop whining about crossbows.
Who was shocked???
This is why border security is so important!!!
How would border security help here? He is white British native named Kyle Clifford.
You may be right but in this case the suspect is English, served in the British army and is an ex of one of the victims.
@@alasarcher400 only Celtic people are native.
Keep prospecting kid, your way off plonker. He's Anglo saxon you druid
He is not white. Look at his brother who murdered two people and is in prison now. They are covering the whole ethnicity thing up.
Introduce licenses,banning them isn’t the way to go
He is a white ex soldier!! 😢
So tell us, is this guy Muslim or not?
It's not the weapons its the people and the culture of the people. The suspect has changed his name allegedly.
Mormons talking about banning crossbows. They should ban knifes too.
Back in my time people that gossip too much and speak people business would receive a telephone line.
You need a licence to own an airgun over 12 ft/lbs. Yet you can easily buy a crossbow that’s over 70ft/lbs.
⛔... Cars are weapons knives are weapons rocks are weapons..
This is said such a horrific incident did you not feel pain as these victims were maybe crying you could not have mercy upon them why how could you wipe the whole family like that. Lord comfort this family
bro got himself a UAV
Horrendous 😢😢
What about the millions killed in other wars? Why Ukraine and not Palestine? Why isn't there an inquiry about what Churchill did to India? No age of reckoning for what was done during colonial times?
Another cultural enrichment case.
I pray for you to have functioning eyes and a braincell.
Not british...as usual...
Had 3 men been killed with a crossbow, would it have had the same media attention?
Bro it's not about gender this is just tragic regardless. I usually make the same argument as you when men get unfairly labelled and treated but in this case I don't even think this piece of garbage is even human. If it was a woman coming home to her husband and two sons being murdered using a crossbow I'd still have the same reaction. The worst part is the person having to live on realising that their whole family is now dead in a single day. I can't imagine the grief.
umm yes?
Trying to take away our protection
From what ?
@@jjefferyworboys8138 Muslims
@@jjefferyworboys8138barbarians at his garden gate I guess.
@@jjefferyworboys8138If you don't know by now you never will
Lol zionist pretends to care about protecting people
R I p so sad for family
No point in making a law they will just buy a gun
Oh yes all crossbows banned this country makes me laught . the way this country is us women should have guns like america .
There easily purchased without licence requirement. Just need to prove who you are & where you live plus age. So, a passport or driving licence is all you need.
I say ban teaspoons.
It’s the crossbows fault clearly.
The attacker looks like a mason.
Was the killer English
no not english just look at him he is not white native what ever name they give him ,
Do we ban cars next?
no cos cars aren't weapons. You can rest easy. The laws around crossbows should be changed though.
I’m afraid that I’m not outraged.