Back. Was moving near chicago and working on Loki IRL's indie pilot. Go to LokiIRL dooot com for preview stuff "Didn't you crap on Primos too?" In that preview vid I acknowledged it had issues that could change while also it looked average. But I also corrected a ton of miss info and explained how it's based on Chicano rather than Mexican culture. That's clarification was something Disney did a poor job getting across and angered people.
"We are fully aware of the grammatical errors. Our protagonist has spanish as a second language and will make frequent mistakes." That is all they had to say and this whole operation wouldn't have gone down in flames.
What the voice actress said was right though, and the backlash went beyond just the show as people where attacking the people behind it saying they weren't real latins, insulting the heritage of the crew.
@@LindyCouthe voice actor was just being condescending saying what people already know However people were going to far with attacks on the crew She could have worded what she said better
If i recall a lot of those walls also act as sound reducers? If i recall highways are actually extremely loud, they make a lot of "noise pollution" and often times thats why you see things like walls or trees by them. Trees in particular are really good at muffling a lot of the sound they make and I think walls are used for a similar reason?
The "wall" is what separates freeways from neighborhoods to reduce sound and so cars don't fly off the 210 and into someones living room. LA is about 130 miles from the border.
It's kinda funny, before all the edits it looked a ton more like LA. Anyone who is from LA or lived there any amount of time and wouldn't give 2 thoughts about it, glad they at least kept the freeway walls
I'll be honest, we latinamericans wouldn't have hated this show as much if the VA hadn't been such a prick about it. That's what ignited the fire. But now that most latams have watched the show, the final verdict is "meh" above anything else.
@@viscount8388 , when it was released people hated it but it was normal hate. Like yout typical internet dweller outrage that goes nowhere. But after the VA shared her speech online, it escalated so quickly even our media was covering the news. That rarely happens, but this one case was different. That's why I said "as much", cause before that it was normal hate. It became super hate after that.
@@DonLatinoFreak i would say the initial outrage was more than that. All i saw about the show was that “it was woke” or “this is racist”. And then they brought up what she said to try to justify their hate in a more reasonable way. Thats how it usually goes for those types of people
Honestly, if it weren't for that VA's weird Kanye-style rant, I feel like the controversy would've at least had the chance to move on sooner, but what she said was just so baffling and out of pocket, it sorta led people to hoping the show would be just as incendiary instead of the inevitable ok it was
@@user-x7dc2pq7n because out of all colonizing europeans, the spanish were the nicest to the natives. multiple spanish colonies straight up treated natives as 100% equal. natives taking up the spanish language was generally willing on their part. the whole aztec conquest thing was celebrated by native tribes who were subjugated by the aztecs. those natives were more than happy to co-operate and the spanish weren't insane bad guy evil like some of the other colonizers. tldr: spanish wasn't forced upon them
@@user-x7dc2pq7n Because the vast majority of Latin Americans are of at least partial Spanish descent. To say the language was forced upon her is idiotic when you consider that the VA's ancestors have been speaking Spanish (or it's predecessor, Latin) for nearly 2000 years. I'm Latino, and I am both Native American AND Southern European. Both are integral parts of my culture and my genes, to shun one of the two is self-loathing at best.
The creator of Hey Arnold (Craig Bartlett) and the creator of Primos (Natasha Kline) are a couple! So his influence/connections are definitely a part of the show
@@backupsx9912all I know it’s that Craig and Natasha meet while working on the hey Arnold the jungle movie, she was a character designer I think, idk if Lisa and Craig were already separated back then 😭
@@mechmaster315 Mexicans don't say "aya". We say "hey", "oye", "'ey". These were definitely modeled after Mexicans because Americans think all Latinos are Mexicans who eat frijoles and live in the desert and Mexicans are Spanish who dance flamenco and fight bulls.
That would change the context of the song and giving it a meaning i'm sure would have been a bit contradictory to the show's premise as it's supposed to be her being annoyed at them.
I gotta be honest, the "Brandy and Mr. Whiskers" slander bothered me so much more. I would go as far as to say I was triggered by that, I'm ashamed to say. My "Imabunny" shorts are literally based on Mr. Whiskers in particular, and I still think the episode where Mr. Whiskers managed to get kicked out of a family of howler monkeys for being too loud and obnoxious is the greatest episode premise ever. He can mock that stick-in-the-mud girly-girl, Brandy, all he wants though.
Goddamn, I missed Pan’s delivery. A lot of other ‘video essayists’ ruin the pace of their vids every time they make a joke while the average Pan vid flows like water.
So true. Pan is like one of the only commentator’s on RUclips that has jokes that always make me laugh and never feel forced. It’s like he’s just saying naturally talking to you and just randomly throwing out things because he can. Idk it just feels so natural compared to others where they try to lead into a joke.
Pan has a level of understanding that he isn't an all-powerful Knower of Things™ that makes his videos a lot more digestible in longer form. That's part of why I like Todd in the Shadows too, since the both of them stay down-to-earth when talking about what they review.
As a Hispanic American idk how i feel about this show but it was a bit over hated if the voice actress did yap on social media it wouldn't have gotten as much hate
The voice actress was right. Why shouldn't people defend themselves and their shows? Why do we live in a society where that's frowned upon? Why are people nowadays to just sit and take the hate instead of standing up?
This show looks awful and just from the content as in how they present culture, but in presentation in art style and character design. It looks like a very samey generic 2010s era with a bland main character that a audience member can attach themselves to.
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As a Mexican living in Mexico City, I saw the outrage was specifically about: 1) Oye (not Oigan) Primos, and 2) The name of Terremoto Heights. I think the Cuquita thing was overblowing it (Cuquita is a common nickname here, everyone knows what it means). But people were already mad and wanted to hate it even more. I personally understood it was mean to be LA from the beginning, but since many people here haven't actually been to LA, maybe the didn't recognize the city design or whatever.
As a Mexican American from Chicago, the main complaints are extremely ridiculous. No one complains Chicago is called the Windy City, silly nicknames are common, and the bad grammer is still something foresable in latino countries (specifically nacos). I feel that people just wanted to be offended over something, and this was its victim.
@@highlymysteriousplayer9694todas cosas tienen un agenda en una forma ó otra. no es que no quieres "agendas políticas en los caricaturas," solamente no es algo que tú personalmente quieres apoyar ni mirar.
@@kevinaguilar7541 Yeah, that's kind of the point. These people want to pretend these inconsequential things are a big deal because to hammer the message home "Your kind isn't welcome here." They WILL grasp at straws. Not that they'd ever admit that, and the MOMENT you bring that up? They'll call you the V-word.
A lot of people outside the US did cared to the point that the VA said what she said as a reaction to that hate. I remember when it happened in Twitter when the intro first came out and plenty of Latinos express their hatred towards Disney not understanding Latin America. Basically they were tired of Latinos representation being just exclusively Mexico and it was "bad Mexican representation" at that. This hatred eventually led to the VA trying to control the issue but she made it a 100x worse. Could the hate disappear once people learn it's about specifically Chicanos in Los Angeles and not the entirety of Latin America? I believe so, but the VA response wasn't the catalyst to online rage but a symptom of it
@@allendepacheco3419 It actually baffles me the amount of people in this comment section that really don't remember how much distaste actual Latins had for this show. Like did everyone just developed memory loss?
Primos could've avoided SOOO much controversy if only the trailer was more clear that the protagonist is a chicana and is not a mexican But even then, why did their cousins also shout "oye primos" when they are the ones who know spanish? Tater could've said oye primos while their cousins correct them or something
@@alejaan6778 Yeah well tell that to the thousands of angry nerds whose day got ruined over a cartoon that thought it was yet another case of "nacho taco chimichanga cartoon"
They did but people ignored a lot of stuff on the intro ironically enough. Like you can literally see the Hollywood sign in the intro but everyone just ignore that and assume the show takes place in Mexico. One the hate train starts going, nothing will stop it no matter how many debunks you can do
14:09 - It looks more like a reservoir wall or freeway barrier than a border wall. Freeway barriers between residential areas and the highway are dotted throughout Southern California. In addition, Los Angeles to Tijuana is about a 3 hour drive. But "Hacienda Heights" seems to take place somewhere between Los Angeles and San Diego. They also removed the Terremoto sign too, maybe they didn't want to redraw the surroundings and save time?
Oh god, I remember how much outrage that show had garnered. I feel like most weren’t even fans of Thundercats and just wanted something to be angry about.
@@HVVVVVVVVoh definitely. They constantly compared it to the 2011 thunder cats, despite no one really talking about that show after it ended and before roar was announced. It was just to make a fuss about and get views.
It happened both times because the creators acted disrespectful to their supposedly intended audience. If you want your show to be well received, don’t antagonize the people who’ll be watching
Theres a reason why voice actors and actors stay out of backlashes. Also the voice actress failed to talk about what the show is actually about. Looking back at the video she does but it barely scratches the surface what the show is actually about and it's near the end.
More voice actors and actresses should be standing up for the work of themselves and the crews they work with, screw this society we live in where people are expected to not stand up. Also the point of the video wasn't to talk about the show, but to fight against the allegation of the people working on the show not being real latins.
Ok, but like don’t you think it’s a little difficult to listen to someone’s reasoning when they’re wearing such a smug face and talkin in an even smugger tone? And even if she was just defending the show, all she had to say was “The Spanish in the theme song is wrong because the main girl isn’t that great with Spanish” not “um actually, Spanish is a colonizer language and you’re all stupid”
I was watching Spilling the Milk watch a couple of eps and they kept coming back to the backgrounds of the show and how pretty they were. I have to agree with them on this one. The entire house feels lived in, but isn't too cartoony. The backgrounds are quite grounded but are very colourful. I'll have to commend the artists on that one
Cookita (actually spelled 'Cuquita') is actually a pretty common spanish name, it's a nickname given to women named Cuca, Concepción or Carmen. we actually call my grandmother that.
Yeah, I know, but the thing is that in different Spanish dialects all across Latin America that name has a different meaning, which would've needed to be changed when the show got dubbed
@@LindyCou That is exactly what happened. Its white conservatives hating the show for being woke under the guise of 'its bad representation' as if they suddenly care about that.
@@pablocasas5906 isn't that the magic of different languages? that things like names can be a little weird in some places? i dont see anyone censoring characters names like 'dick' in english.
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To be fair, any Spanish word, no matter how inconspicuous, is bound to mean something sexual in some regional dialect. That's just how Latin America works.
I thought they would’ve recast the main actress with someone like say Erica Mendez to make Tater less annoying and more likable[like a humanoid Retsuko]
Somehow ppl will go to bat for things and others will write off hugely successful and loved things for tax write offs. Disney channel esp sucks cuz we lost Owl House and they would rather support plenty of stuff like this rather than a money printing machine like that
If you told me that there was a meeting where the Disney TVA higher ups were like "we can't release this! The Internet has made it clear that they don't like it, and our parent company can't afford any more bad publicity." I think I'd believe you.
bro i LOVE those concept art doodles, i love weird stupid looking characters so much and i am a little disappointed they made them more of what you expect with a Disney cartoon
I follow so many brilliant artists (and even know some of them in person from my art college years!) that I'm baffled have never even gotten one professional animation job in spite of their talent--but then I remember their unique art styles aren't "Disney," "CalArts" or "other trendy art style" enough (as if they couldn't adapt their personal art style to a more conventional one like the Primos artists here), or they don't have any connections in Hollywood. I swear Disney is missing out on a "second Disney Renaissance" by only hiring nepo-babies and ignoring the constant deluge of indie talent flooding their X, Instagram, RUclips and Newgrounds feeds every hour. Hopefully these people at least get to guest-animate for a future Smiling Friends episode or something. At least I can blame my inability to break into the industry with my inability to stick with one art style or even one animation medium long enough to reach a professional level in any specialized skill. Imagine constantly being rejected from the animation industry, not because you're not talented, but because your personal art style is too "different" from what we've already been getting from studios since the early 2010's.
@@JeffreyThrash yea i'm hoping once i try and get a job in animation (in whatever way, concept artist, storyboard artist, i don't really care specifically) that i am able to use my actual style, i don't think it would be too hard for me since my style is very based on other cartoons even if it's pretty unique on its own
@@SatiricalSheep Good luck with that. My personal style is often compared to '90's Nickelodeon, which would be great if it were the 1990s still and I applied to Nickelodeon specifically.
Originally, I didn't think much of Oye Primos. But hearing your take on it, seeing and _agreeing_ about the great location/background design, seeing the main character struggle with being a child of two cultures (8:03) and finding out Jim Lang did the music softened me up on it a little. Now my attitude on it is kinda just a "live and let live" with the show.
I believe the creator is dating Craig, or at least was during the deployment of the show idk if they still together, so I think that’s why Craig and Jim Lang are working on the show…
Yep, he's her sugar daddy. and Natasha wrecked the home and that's why Craig divorced Matt Groening's sister. i wish i could find the reddit post now, but someone in the comments spilled a lot of juicy details. refer to my comment on this video for more info. EDIT: the post was "Boycott Oye Primos for its racist stereotypes. If you got free time, send Disney a letter." but the commenter deleted their comments
@WDonut04 This is a really gross way to paint Natasha. It's weird that it's gone beyond just "Hey this show might have harmful stereotypes" and into "Fuck this homewrecker.". It reeks of desperation.
@@spoikeinnit Even if it's 100% accurate, it's none of my business. Claiming there was some kind of nepotism from Craig when the dude has barely worked in the industry outside of Hey Arnold is absolutely wild.
I’m not surprised about the whole coquita situation. I remember a story when my dad was working with somebody from central America and my dad said “pass me the (slang word for hammer)” and the other guy was confused because he though my dad said “pass me the (slang word for gay)
I'm latina, born and raised in Latin America, have never been to the US, and I relate to this show. These characters are MY cousins. We also used to spend the summer vacation on my uncle's beach house. I actually already got kinda emotional watching some scenes, cuz it reminded ME of things that happened in my childhood. But the thing is Latin people are NOT ALL THE SAME (I know, what a twist) so of course it's not going to resonate with EVERYONE, we are not a monolith!!
you're so right, & the thing is that there is a lot to be said that the show takes place in the US, not LATAM. that means these kids would be growing up in a very different culture, be exposed to very different experiences, etc. as a kid who grew up around LA with mexican immigrant parents, a lot of what people were complaining about were just... things i remember growing up with. even now, while i can engage in a conversation in spanish, there are a lot of words i say or use incorrectly, have a wonky vocabulary, but all that would really matter to my family was that they understood what i meant & i understood them. sooo many words i'd make up in spanish from english (spoke spanish with parents, english with my 4 older siblings), & my mom would end up adopting some of them. it was always supposed to depict those experiences of us first gen mexican kids, & iirc the creator drew a lot of it from her own experiences.
To me it sounds like Disney's standards and practices were told one thing, and then learned more. Which happens. I do suspect moving forward Disney will start adding clauses into their contracts dealing with social media. As most of the bad blood of Primos comes from the voice actor's comments and not the show itself.
It’s…actually not horrible. Like, I expected it to suck, but it’s not bad, voice actor controversy aside. Nothing groundbreaking, but it’s cute, pretty good music, fun character designs, I give it a 7/10
Honestly the VA should’ve either chosen her words carefully or not said anything at all She needs to give a public apology for all the trouble her words caused. She needs to be held accountable
This is an excellent example of how destructive social media can be. The show is...fine, i guess? But nowhere near as bad as a lot of people thought it would be.
Well done and thoughtful review of this show. Personally I get what he means by most of Southern/Southern West US States where the population is a blending diverse of blacks, mexicans, and whites in some city. Chicano culture definitely has been prevalent for the past 40 years and from what I remember from the movie Selena as her father states it, "We have to be more Mexican than the Mexicans and more American than the Americans, both at the same time. It's exhausting!". I feel for anyone I have met in my life growing up, heck even my last name is somewhat Spanish/Mexican, that it's a challenging life to be in Southern US where the cultures border each other. I wouldn't be interested in this show because of the art style as I have seen that waaaaay too much with Nickelodeon and CN/Disney shows, but hey if the kids love it. They'll love it. Also that's interesting that Jim Lang composed the music.
I think people forgot what led up to the VA making those comments. Her response was bad, but people were accusing the crew of being racist and bad rep. Them having to make the characters explain the show was set in the USA is so on the nose it is pretty funny.
@@eggysegg then she should have explained why Tater's spanish is so bad that it even seeps into the opening song. Not insulting a language spoken by millions 🙄
Honestly the VA should’ve either chosen her words carefully or not said anything at all She needs to give a public apology for all the trouble her words caused. She needs to be held accountable
Generic show: *exists* Target adience: whatever People involved in the generic show: *opens their big fucking mouth* Target audience: and we took that personally
I dont understand how people thought this was anything but America tbh. The houses, the lawns, the school bus, there is a clear Hollywood sign in the intro.
It would be more like a show that is advertised to be about the US South, but instead of being set in Georgia or Mississippi, it was set in Americana, Brazil.
@@BriefHorrors speaking as someone living in South America, most people were in fact aware that the show took place in the United States and that the protagonist and her cousins are Chicanos, not actual Latin Americans. The thing is that a majority of Latin Americans are getting tired that the majority of "Latino" representation in U.S. productions are mostly Chicano or Mexican. I think that's a reason why some recent shows and movies like Víctor & Valentino or the Blue Beetle movie weren't successful in Latin America
Honestly the VA should’ve either chosen her words carefully or not said anything at all She needs to give a public apology for all the trouble her words caused. She needs to be held accountable
LA guy here. This area looks like a combination of Eagle rock and Cypress park, respectfully. Both mostly Hispanic communities. They’re neighborhoods that are right by the freeway. Eagle rock has a mountain on the other side of the freeway.
The last Oye Primos video was the best one youve had views-wise in years. i hope this one can hit the algorithm, because Rebeltaxi is stupidly underrated
Essay coming thru: As yet another latino, I always felt the controversy incredibly overblown, although I understand why it happened. There's a big divide between the cultures of US latinamericans and other spanish-speaking latinamericans. Latinos/as/es want to be represented too, but the US has a hegemony on culture, so all our cultures get mixed and filtered through a Hollywood lens, and for that, a lot of online latinamericans can get pretty defensive and vindictive (I include myself in this). However, and I say this as self-criticism, there's also a lot we latinamericans don't know from our US-born friends and tend to judge their "ignorance" in our cultures as some kind of treachery, when it's just them coming from a different culture as ours. Hell, it's not a standard we apply to ourselves as other latinos. The favorite latinamerican past time is to complain and make jokes about the rest of the continent. I like that the show actually engages with this cultural divide and makes points about it. I'm a nerd about Latinamerican history and their independence movements so seeing how these historical cultural divides clash nowadays, even if it's in a 6/10 cartoon show for children, is interesting to me. Terremoto Heights podría haber sido en Chile jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa "Hacienda" also has some historical implications that are also not that good but I don't think anybody but a nerd like me would get it, so it's fine lol TED Talk etc
I guess the ¿outrage? from Latin America comes from the fact that we just don't consider american latinos as part of "us". And that's true, like Pan pointed out, those are 2 different demographics, and this show is clearly targeted towards people raised in the US.
Exactly, we don't see them as part of us and that's fine, they don't have to "be more Mexicans than the Mexicans, and more American than the Americans" to be accepted, they simply don't have to pretend they are from the same place their grandparents came from, that's all.
latins are so short sighted and close minded, thinking everything latin should be made for them not know that latin people exist in non latin nations as well.
People made tons of hate videos for months based on a trailer and an intro (for clout, no doubt). I'm glad that you actually took the time to watch and give an honest opinion (and even going back on previous thoughts). Re: The concrete wall - its not a border wall. Low income neighborhoods in LA will be interspersed with stuff like highway overpasses and train tracks. The walls are there to seperate those things (and reduce the noise) from the residents.
I'm not from the U.S., but I've always assumed the sky in Los Ángeles has a yellow tint due to smog and pollution of all of the cars, I'm not sure if the same thing is true for México City, but I think it has become a tired cliché that the yellow filter is added for scenes from U.S. shows and movies set in México, or other Latin American countries, to show that the place is hot, like a desert I do remember that in El Tigre, the city in which the series took place it also had that yellow tinted sky, now, El Tigre came out many years before the yellow filter became more widespread in popular culture, but I think the show portrays Mexican American culture in a more exaggerated way, kind of line Mucha Lucha! did, and that's why I think even people from México and Latin America enjoyed those shows much more. But nowadays, with globalization and people having more access to the Internet, show like Primos and Víctor and Valentino, get more criticized by people from actual Latin America, since those shows tried to portray Latino culture in a more "realistic" or educational way, or just for the sake of representation. That and people from Latin America are getting tired that the default Latino representation in U.S. media is mainly Mexican/Chicano-inspired, even Mexicans are tired of it
@@pablocasas5906I’ve been to Mexico City and the sky is blue and clear, not even grey. The night sky is brown, tho. The smog is not enough to block out the sun, but it is enough to reflect all of the light pollution back into the city at night.
One of the weird reactions I saw to this show was people from Latin America taking aim at Chicanos and saying stuff like we were gringo latinos or fake latinos. Like yeah English may be our first language unless we have a family member who was an immigrant but we still grew up in the same Mexican ass households as the rest of them
Tbh, there’s a difference growing up in the USA with a latino household to growing up in Latino America. Both are still latinos but the way they interact with the culture will be different
@@smiley_boy00 sure people born in the US identify as American, speak less Spanish depending on where they live, and get invested in American centric stuff. But like we are still mostly still living in the same Hispanic households and partake in cultural stuff like the music, food, religion, and many still speak Spanish. There are those like the Ted Cruz types who totally disassociate themselves from their cultural heritages but I don't think they're as common
not nearly the same lol different cultures, different problems, different lifestyle also chicanos are like the worst cuz they got the white saviour complex from usa and the I can speak cuz is my culture, don't get me started on how they were hating on speedy, encanto, mario bros with a sombrero, etc when the latinos were happy to be taking into account and didn't hate any of it
Actually no, there is a big different between a Latin ascendant person and a person born and raised in Latin america, the struggles we face are different from yours and, while this is no competition, Chicanos tend to speak over latinamerican raised people when it comes to culture and societal issues, which is what causes the rejection on most ocassions. I have seen and read latinos that were raised on the united states openly dismissing the opinion of latino natives due to their broken english, for example, and we came with the "no sabo kid" stereotype as a way to counter them, because if we have to learn english to have valid arguments, you can learn spanish to connect with the culture you're supposedly interested in. It is a quite complicated topic, honestly, but a lot would be solved if chicanos and other latinos raised in the state just assumed that they are a minority when it comes to talking about latam problems, and the main focus should be on those who actually live on those latam countries.
To answer the question in the chapter titles, yeah it's pretty good. It seems like they really paid attention to what and who people wanted to see, and it shows a lot of love to the comic versions of both Wolverine and Deadpool while being a great sendoff to the 20th Century Fox era of Xmen.
I honestly agree, this show seemed very over hated but when you watch it, It's just very generic and nothing really makes it stand out. And all the censorship feels like the show treats you like an idiot. There's no subtlety
12:00 heck no I’m Mexican. Live amongst the folks. There’s a dude in my neighborhood who has that for his car horn. He only honks it off when he’s partying. Hahaha. Love that sound haha
I think this whole debacle could have been avoided if either A. The intro made it clear the main character was using incorrect Spanish because with no context, it sounded like the creative team did not know Spanish which prompted the complaints and the backlash. B. The intro was released alongside the first episode in like a pilot king of way to make it clear that the incorrect Spanish is intentional as a core aspect to the show. Because the main issue stemmed from the incorrect Spanish and without knowing the context of it being intentional, people reacted justifiably. Aside from the backlash, it also is just really weird for Disney to release an intro to a new show without context because even if we didn’t have the whole language issue, the intro didn’t really sell what the show was given that people have also been calling it Disney’s Loud House/Casse Grande.
You know what, I find it kind of funny how people always bring The Casagrandes when talking about Primos, which kind of makes sense for various reasons, and some people also bring Mucha Lucha and El Tigre, but it's weird people never bring Víctor and Valentino as another example of a cartoon series focused on latino chaaracters. Although, I don't remember Víctor & Valentino being that popular, and it wasn't a big hit in Latin America like Mucha Lucha and El Tigre were, the only thing I remember about V&V is that, despite the show taking place in México, the pilot episode's Spanish dub was made in Venezuela, but the series proper was dubbed in México, and the shows' creator Diego Molano actually dubbed the character of Víctor in the Spanish dub, but only for the first 19 episodes, then he was replaced by an actual Mexican dub VA, Diego Becerril
Honestly it's tragic how this could have been pretty relatable to kids in that situation, but people bitching caused them to sand down all the edges. It'd be like if Hey Arnold had to remove trash from the streets or made his apartment complex super nice instead of a realistic depiction.
Yeah, Dragon Ball is extremely popular here in Latin America, but part of me feels is kind of a shallow surface reference, there're many more anime series popular in Latin America, like Saint Seiya, Sakura Cardcaptor, Naruto, One Piece, Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen, etc.
San Diego is closer to the Mexican border and is a further 127 miles south of LA, actually. The walls are just mainly because of all the freeway overpasses.
Honestly, as a non-Mexican who's watched and read Mexican content in Spanish, Mexico was just Texas but everyone spoke Spanish. Cowboys, big cities, blazing heat. It has a culture very similar to ours from what I saw. So, looking at Chicano and Latino culture here, it does feel exaggerated to an extent. It doesn't exactly feel Mexican but something else.
Because it's not a Chicano story. It's the story of a white washed Mexican girl who grew up with a white dad. (Same as the creator of the show, who doesn't even have her mom's last name include her name.) That explains the whole controversy with the inauthenticity.
As a Cali resident on the fault line we have an earth quake every 4 to 8 months, typically small earthquakes that feel like small rumblings. We had one today that lasted nearly 8 seconds that slightly vibrated the earth.
Some dude did a pretty good thread on the dumbness of the outrage explaining how pointless it is was likining it to the Ebonics scare white people do in the US, we break the grammar rules of english all the time like the we do for example Opposites as emphasis for example
The people were outraged not so much because of the broken english, but becuase this show seemed to want to represent actual Mexico before they clarified it was a chicano show with a character that doesn't even speak spanish. Latam tends to be the butt of the joke many times and that fine, but it does sting when someone tries to "correct those mistakes" and ends up doing it wrong. The VA being an ass didn't help either. (also, the fact that they also called this show latam inspired when is just mexican related characters and scenaries sucked a lot because usa seems to believe that we're just one big land called mexico and we eat nothing but churro burritos and watch el chavo del 8. We can make fun of that ourselves, but if a gringo does it? They 'bout to get hands)
Maybe I should say this. But I’m actually good friends with Natasha Kline a month after the theme song was revealed. Granted she was really nice to me and without her I wouldn’t met Craig Bartlett. The show itself, it was pretty solid and I love all the SoCal references. Natasha and I are both from the same area growing up in Southern California and yes this show was relatable.
Honestly I always felt this show wasn't gonna be bad anyways. Like as a Hispanic American who is VERY familiar with chicano type people and the stereotypes that come from it this show honestly looked fine from the start despite the "offensive" names they chose for her city and characters. Like I am what's considered "No sabo" because I don't know Spanish for nothing, but like the way this show represents Hispanic families and chicano culture is very accurate and fun tbh. Also I believe Cheech Marin is ten times more entertaining than George Lopez and Danny Trejo, put some respect on my boys name.
Back. Was moving near chicago and working on Loki IRL's indie pilot. Go to LokiIRL dooot com for preview stuff
"Didn't you crap on Primos too?" In that preview vid I acknowledged it had issues that could change while also it looked average. But I also corrected a ton of miss info and explained how it's based on Chicano rather than Mexican culture. That's clarification was something Disney did a poor job getting across and angered people.
glad to have you back ya fuckin' degen
idgaf
Good to know that you are alive and well. compared to everything else that's going on rn
I'm so excited. I hope it's a huge success
Welcome to the Midwest
THEIR NAMES AREN'T NACHO AND NACHITO, THEY'RE IGNACIO AND IGNACIO 2: JUDGEMENT DAY
NO, IT’S IGNACIO AND IGNACIO’S MONSTER, GET IT RIGHT
Ignacio and Ignacio: The Dark Descent
IGNACIO Y IGNACIO 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO
Ignacio and Ignacio: Escape 2 Africa
Live Ignacio Die Ingacio
"We are fully aware of the grammatical errors. Our protagonist has spanish as a second language and will make frequent mistakes." That is all they had to say and this whole operation wouldn't have gone down in flames.
She did say that, you were to busy being upset to listen.
They did say that tho
What the voice actress said was right though, and the backlash went beyond just the show as people where attacking the people behind it saying they weren't real latins, insulting the heritage of the crew.
@@LindyCouthe voice actor was just being condescending saying what people already know
However people were going to far with attacks on the crew
She could have worded what she said better
@@MrSophire Nah we listen, it just still sounded like a lame show regardless of the main character's personal dilemma
Tater wanting to become Goku when she grows up is the most mexican thing in the entire show
If they wanted to be even more Mexican, instead of Super Saiyajin Gokú, they should've drawn Tater with a Bronze or Gold Cloth from Saint Seiya
Or in full Newpi soccer uniform to be even more Mexican@@pablocasas5906
When she became a teen then is time for making edits of Evangelion characters on Oxxos.
@@pablocasas5906 The early 90s called. They want the Carisaurio back.
@@kamatariedgar3603 Sure, because everybody knows how popular Evangelion is in Mexico.
Next time, make a KOF reference instead.
Hey, guy who lives in LA . There are a LOT of walls that block off suburbia from highways here. It's so kids don't run onto the interstate.
If i recall a lot of those walls also act as sound reducers? If i recall highways are actually extremely loud, they make a lot of "noise pollution" and often times thats why you see things like walls or trees by them. Trees in particular are really good at muffling a lot of the sound they make and I think walls are used for a similar reason?
As someone who has visited relatives living in Orange County, I've seen those kinds of walls on the side of freeways.
Same here in Phoenix
The "wall" is what separates freeways from neighborhoods to reduce sound and so cars don't fly off the 210 and into someones living room. LA is about 130 miles from the border.
That explains a lot
It's kinda funny, before all the edits it looked a ton more like LA. Anyone who is from LA or lived there any amount of time and wouldn't give 2 thoughts about it, glad they at least kept the freeway walls
@@KaztenStudios You guys have Freeway walls!? What the fuck!!!?!?
I'll be honest, we latinamericans wouldn't have hated this show as much if the VA hadn't been such a prick about it. That's what ignited the fire. But now that most latams have watched the show, the final verdict is "meh" above anything else.
Not true. People hated it the moment the intro was shown. The remarks she made were only found after the outrage which led to more outrage
@@viscount8388 , when it was released people hated it but it was normal hate. Like yout typical internet dweller outrage that goes nowhere. But after the VA shared her speech online, it escalated so quickly even our media was covering the news. That rarely happens, but this one case was different. That's why I said "as much", cause before that it was normal hate. It became super hate after that.
Yeah thats pretty much doomed/hurted by that. This would have been forgotten and people would go "oh yeah that existed" if the va didn't.
She also did a poor job explaining what the show is actually about or what its like.
@@DonLatinoFreak i would say the initial outrage was more than that. All i saw about the show was that “it was woke” or “this is racist”. And then they brought up what she said to try to justify their hate in a more reasonable way. Thats how it usually goes for those types of people
All the Primos had to move in because they were removed from their original home by Child Services
💀
And the prior home was nuked
@@mechmaster315 nuked?
@@GODCONVOYPRIME they bombed the old home cause it was a bad place
@@mechmaster315 what?
Ohmygod, that kid with the bowl haircut with metal tooth is exactly what my elementary school friend looked like......HUGO! IF YOU SEE THIS. HI!
I hope Hugo does see this!
Honestly, if it weren't for that VA's weird Kanye-style rant, I feel like the controversy would've at least had the chance to move on sooner, but what she said was just so baffling and out of pocket, it sorta led people to hoping the show would be just as incendiary instead of the inevitable ok it was
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@@user-x7dc2pq7n because out of all colonizing europeans, the spanish were the nicest to the natives. multiple spanish colonies straight up treated natives as 100% equal. natives taking up the spanish language was generally willing on their part. the whole aztec conquest thing was celebrated by native tribes who were subjugated by the aztecs. those natives were more than happy to co-operate and the spanish weren't insane bad guy evil like some of the other colonizers.
tldr: spanish wasn't forced upon them
@@user-x7dc2pq7n Because the vast majority of Latin Americans are of at least partial Spanish descent. To say the language was forced upon her is idiotic when you consider that the VA's ancestors have been speaking Spanish (or it's predecessor, Latin) for nearly 2000 years.
I'm Latino, and I am both Native American AND Southern European. Both are integral parts of my culture and my genes, to shun one of the two is self-loathing at best.
@@JesusChristDentonwhich colonies were those?
“Oh crud, call animal control, one of the VAs broke out of their kennels again”
- Disney TVA execs, probably
Love the new CGI look Pan,really gives me proper early 2000s Toonami vibes.
It looks like something out of a dreamcast specifically with that ambitious look
Must have been a bitch to animate though
@@dravenmartinez6311HYDRO HYDRO THUNDER
I need his model in a Jet Set Radio mod.
@@Creampuf1977 imagine the model in bombrush cyberfunk
The creator of Hey Arnold (Craig Bartlett) and the creator of Primos (Natasha Kline) are a couple! So his influence/connections are definitely a part of the show
I thought he was married to Lisa Groening
@@backupsx9912 They separated almost 10 years ago, apparently, they divorced later.
@@backupsx9912They are already divorced, one person commented that they divorced bc Craig was cheating on her with Natasha but idk if it’s true
@@erijaime wait what
@@backupsx9912all I know it’s that Craig and Natasha meet while working on the hey Arnold the jungle movie, she was a character designer I think, idk if Lisa and Craig were already separated back then 😭
A year later and the entire memefest of this show is still funny looking back on.
Did they build more hype for the show
fym it's been a year
Funny watching Latinos be offended while also claiming to not get offended easily
The intro could have flipped to “Oye Prima”, with Tater being called by the primos.
oh that's actually really cute
Or Aya
@@mechmaster315 Mexicans don't say "aya". We say "hey", "oye", "'ey".
These were definitely modeled after Mexicans because Americans think all Latinos are Mexicans who eat frijoles and live in the desert and Mexicans are Spanish who dance flamenco and fight bulls.
@@OM19_MO79 sorry I meant something like ay!
That would change the context of the song and giving it a meaning i'm sure would have been a bit contradictory to the show's premise as it's supposed to be her being annoyed at them.
Buzz on Maggie slander will not be tolerated in this house
They put this on Disney+ and not Buzz on Maggie. It makes me sick.
It will be
idk what it even is but
Unlike The Buzz on Maggie, Primos is a wonderful show
I gotta be honest, the "Brandy and Mr. Whiskers" slander bothered me so much more. I would go as far as to say I was triggered by that, I'm ashamed to say. My "Imabunny" shorts are literally based on Mr. Whiskers in particular, and I still think the episode where Mr. Whiskers managed to get kicked out of a family of howler monkeys for being too loud and obnoxious is the greatest episode premise ever.
He can mock that stick-in-the-mud girly-girl, Brandy, all he wants though.
@@Creampuf1977still waiting in motorcity
Goddamn, I missed Pan’s delivery. A lot of other ‘video essayists’ ruin the pace of their vids every time they make a joke while the average Pan vid flows like water.
Now that you point it out, I have to agree! The way he speaks and edits feels a lot more natural
So true. Pan is like one of the only commentator’s on RUclips that has jokes that always make me laugh and never feel forced. It’s like he’s just saying naturally talking to you and just randomly throwing out things because he can. Idk it just feels so natural compared to others where they try to lead into a joke.
Pan has a level of understanding that he isn't an all-powerful Knower of Things™ that makes his videos a lot more digestible in longer form. That's part of why I like Todd in the Shadows too, since the both of them stay down-to-earth when talking about what they review.
Pan's delivery always felt very natural, like if you were just listening to a friend talking about something over Discord.
As a Hispanic American idk how i feel about this show but it was a bit over hated if the voice actress did yap on social media it wouldn't have gotten as much hate
I couldn’t care for this show, just looked bland and trying to cater to the quirky Mexicans.
I’d prefer to watch Molly mcgee with my little sister
This show is literally The Loud House but worse. It has none of the charm from the first few seasons
As a Latino American, i know how i feel about this show: It's boring. Nothing offensive yet nothing worth of anyone's time.
The voice actress was right. Why shouldn't people defend themselves and their shows? Why do we live in a society where that's frowned upon? Why are people nowadays to just sit and take the hate instead of standing up?
This show looks awful and just from the content as in how they present culture, but in presentation in art style and character design. It looks like a very samey generic 2010s era with a bland main character that a audience member can attach themselves to.
As a Mexican living in Mexico City, I saw the outrage was specifically about: 1) Oye (not Oigan) Primos, and 2) The name of Terremoto Heights. I think the Cuquita thing was overblowing it (Cuquita is a common nickname here, everyone knows what it means). But people were already mad and wanted to hate it even more. I personally understood it was mean to be LA from the beginning, but since many people here haven't actually been to LA, maybe the didn't recognize the city design or whatever.
As a Mexican American from Chicago, the main complaints are extremely ridiculous. No one complains Chicago is called the Windy City, silly nicknames are common, and the bad grammer is still something foresable in latino countries (specifically nacos). I feel that people just wanted to be offended over something, and this was its victim.
@@kevinaguilar7541 LOL "mexican american" ahaha you sillypocho you' are either mexican or american theres not middle ground
deja de defender esta cosa es hora de que dibujos animados con agendas politicas en este caso "pro-inmigrante " dejen de existir
@@highlymysteriousplayer9694todas cosas tienen un agenda en una forma ó otra.
no es que no quieres "agendas políticas en los caricaturas," solamente no es algo que tú personalmente quieres apoyar ni mirar.
@@kevinaguilar7541
Yeah, that's kind of the point.
These people want to pretend these inconsequential things are a big deal because to hammer the message home "Your kind isn't welcome here."
They WILL grasp at straws.
Not that they'd ever admit that, and the MOMENT you bring that up? They'll call you the V-word.
I dont think anyone outside of the states cared until the VA talked shit
A lot of people outside the US did cared to the point that the VA said what she said as a reaction to that hate.
I remember when it happened in Twitter when the intro first came out and plenty of Latinos express their hatred towards Disney not understanding Latin America. Basically they were tired of Latinos representation being just exclusively Mexico and it was "bad Mexican representation" at that. This hatred eventually led to the VA trying to control the issue but she made it a 100x worse. Could the hate disappear once people learn it's about specifically Chicanos in Los Angeles and not the entirety of Latin America? I believe so, but the VA response wasn't the catalyst to online rage but a symptom of it
She wasn't talking shit, she was defending the crew and the show against those who were talking shit.
@@allendepacheco3419 It actually baffles me the amount of people in this comment section that really don't remember how much distaste actual Latins had for this show. Like did everyone just developed memory loss?
Omg ur okay :o
@@LindyCou ...in the most smug and condescending way possible.
God every time Pan talks about something he gives at least two all-timer quotes
ruclips.net/video/s8BxhJn9bxg/видео.html
He's a serious wordsmith when he wants to, and it catches me off guard every time
Terremoto Heights has me shaking
They changed the city name
noooooooooooooooo
@@RebelTaxi it’s a better name actually Hacienda Hills And creator Natasha Kine explains it in an interview
Woah dude.
Terremoto Heights is literally the fictional Spanish version of Tornado Alley
Primos could've avoided SOOO much controversy if only the trailer was more clear that the protagonist is a chicana and is not a mexican
But even then, why did their cousins also shout "oye primos" when they are the ones who know spanish? Tater could've said oye primos while their cousins correct them or something
That sounds like an honestly cute intro concept
I mean it was clearly southern California and not Mexico, it uses the exact same skyline as LA and freeway signs
They did.
@@alejaan6778 Yeah well tell that to the thousands of angry nerds whose day got ruined over a cartoon that thought it was yet another case of "nacho taco chimichanga cartoon"
They did but people ignored a lot of stuff on the intro ironically enough. Like you can literally see the Hollywood sign in the intro but everyone just ignore that and assume the show takes place in Mexico. One the hate train starts going, nothing will stop it no matter how many debunks you can do
14:09 - It looks more like a reservoir wall or freeway barrier than a border wall. Freeway barriers between residential areas and the highway are dotted throughout Southern California. In addition, Los Angeles to Tijuana is about a 3 hour drive. But "Hacienda Heights" seems to take place somewhere between Los Angeles and San Diego. They also removed the Terremoto sign too, maybe they didn't want to redraw the surroundings and save time?
Haven’t seen a show that get this much outrage since Thundercats roar, which was over 6 years ago believe it or not.
Oh god, I remember how much outrage that show had garnered. I feel like most weren’t even fans of Thundercats and just wanted something to be angry about.
@@HVVVVVVVVoh definitely. They constantly compared it to the 2011 thunder cats, despite no one really talking about that show after it ended and before roar was announced. It was just to make a fuss about and get views.
It happened both times because the creators acted disrespectful to their supposedly intended audience. If you want your show to be well received, don’t antagonize the people who’ll be watching
@@ChocoDoeEyes What was so disrespectful that people working on roar said?
I remember when everyone became a hardcore old school Thundercats fan when that show got announced.
Theres a reason why voice actors and actors stay out of backlashes. Also the voice actress failed to talk about what the show is actually about. Looking back at the video she does but it barely scratches the surface what the show is actually about and it's near the end.
More voice actors and actresses should be standing up for the work of themselves and the crews they work with, screw this society we live in where people are expected to not stand up.
Also the point of the video wasn't to talk about the show, but to fight against the allegation of the people working on the show not being real latins.
Ok, but like don’t you think it’s a little difficult to listen to someone’s reasoning when they’re wearing such a smug face and talkin in an even smugger tone? And even if she was just defending the show, all she had to say was “The Spanish in the theme song is wrong because the main girl isn’t that great with Spanish” not “um actually, Spanish is a colonizer language and you’re all stupid”
@@WhyNot-mj3hj exactly. She could've had but she was too stupid
did she look like she was high on xannies to anyone else or just me?
@@LindyCouthey absolutely should. Unless they dont have anything good to say like the controversial voice actress of primos.
I was watching Spilling the Milk watch a couple of eps and they kept coming back to the backgrounds of the show and how pretty they were. I have to agree with them on this one. The entire house feels lived in, but isn't too cartoony. The backgrounds are quite grounded but are very colourful. I'll have to commend the artists on that one
Don’t mock the Brandy and Mr Whiskers War of 2006, man. I lost FAMILY in that shit!
I like the show, I just saying it's not serious
@@RebelTaxi That rabbit killed my Peepaw! MY PEEPAW DIED TO THAT RABBIT!
@@RebelTaxiYou can mock Brandy and Mr Whiskers / The Buzz on Maggie all you want. The Replacements is where I draw the line though.
Cookita (actually spelled 'Cuquita') is actually a pretty common spanish name, it's a nickname given to women named Cuca, Concepción or Carmen. we actually call my grandmother that.
Yeah, I know, but the thing is that in different Spanish dialects all across Latin America that name has a different meaning, which would've needed to be changed when the show got dubbed
Honestly a lot of the controversies feel like white people fighting for latins while taking every bad thing said at face value.
@@LindyCou That is exactly what happened. Its white conservatives hating the show for being woke under the guise of 'its bad representation' as if they suddenly care about that.
@@pablocasas5906 isn't that the magic of different languages? that things like names can be a little weird in some places?
i dont see anyone censoring characters names like 'dick' in english.
To be fair, any Spanish word, no matter how inconspicuous, is bound to mean something sexual in some regional dialect. That's just how Latin America works.
I’m surprised that Tater’s VA still kept her job despite calling Mexico a “shit-hole” country.
Because everyone in Mexico acknowledges how big the problems are.
She's objectively right but you still probably shouldn't say it when your primary audience is Latinos.
@Sonamyfan875 nah you're hating
Thought they should’ve replaced her with Erica Mendez.
Is she the one that made things worse
Wait this thing actually released? I thought this would be turned into a tax write off!
Nope
I thought they would’ve recast the main actress with someone like say Erica Mendez to make Tater less annoying and more likable[like a humanoid Retsuko]
You thought wrong.
It's too late bro. They already invested money and animated it and paid for ads
Somehow ppl will go to bat for things and others will write off hugely successful and loved things for tax write offs.
Disney channel esp sucks cuz we lost Owl House and they would rather support plenty of stuff like this rather than a money printing machine like that
If you told me that there was a meeting where the Disney TVA higher ups were like "we can't release this! The Internet has made it clear that they don't like it, and our parent company can't afford any more bad publicity." I think I'd believe you.
Yes, that is literally how the entertainment industry works
bro i LOVE those concept art doodles, i love weird stupid looking characters so much and i am a little disappointed they made them more of what you expect with a Disney cartoon
I follow so many brilliant artists (and even know some of them in person from my art college years!) that I'm baffled have never even gotten one professional animation job in spite of their talent--but then I remember their unique art styles aren't "Disney," "CalArts" or "other trendy art style" enough (as if they couldn't adapt their personal art style to a more conventional one like the Primos artists here), or they don't have any connections in Hollywood. I swear Disney is missing out on a "second Disney Renaissance" by only hiring nepo-babies and ignoring the constant deluge of indie talent flooding their X, Instagram, RUclips and Newgrounds feeds every hour.
Hopefully these people at least get to guest-animate for a future Smiling Friends episode or something. At least I can blame my inability to break into the industry with my inability to stick with one art style or even one animation medium long enough to reach a professional level in any specialized skill. Imagine constantly being rejected from the animation industry, not because you're not talented, but because your personal art style is too "different" from what we've already been getting from studios since the early 2010's.
@@JeffreyThrash yea i'm hoping once i try and get a job in animation (in whatever way, concept artist, storyboard artist, i don't really care specifically) that i am able to use my actual style, i don't think it would be too hard for me since my style is very based on other cartoons even if it's pretty unique on its own
@@SatiricalSheep Good luck with that. My personal style is often compared to '90's Nickelodeon, which would be great if it were the 1990s still and I applied to Nickelodeon specifically.
Wake up Rebel Taxi has returned
Honestly I would like a Mexican themed version of Hey Arnold!
But then I realized that I just wanted a slightly more restrained version of El Chavo.
Originally, I didn't think much of Oye Primos. But hearing your take on it, seeing and _agreeing_ about the great location/background design, seeing the main character struggle with being a child of two cultures (8:03) and finding out Jim Lang did the music softened me up on it a little. Now my attitude on it is kinda just a "live and let live" with the show.
I like that Jim Conroy the voice of both Ruff Ruffmen and Kenny the shark
Fetch with Ruff-Ruff Man is goated!
And Huckleberry Hound in Jellystone
Damn I remember Ruff
I believe the creator is dating Craig, or at least was during the deployment of the show idk if they still together, so I think that’s why Craig and Jim Lang are working on the show…
Yep, he's her sugar daddy. and Natasha wrecked the home and that's why Craig divorced Matt Groening's sister. i wish i could find the reddit post now, but someone in the comments spilled a lot of juicy details. refer to my comment on this video for more info. EDIT: the post was "Boycott Oye Primos for its racist stereotypes. If you got free time, send Disney a letter." but the commenter deleted their comments
This industry (and likely Hollywood as a whole), is so steeped in nepotism, I swear...
@WDonut04 This is a really gross way to paint Natasha. It's weird that it's gone beyond just "Hey this show might have harmful stereotypes" and into "Fuck this homewrecker.". It reeks of desperation.
@@ZyxthePest from a reddit thread that may or may not even be a legit source no less...
@@spoikeinnit Even if it's 100% accurate, it's none of my business. Claiming there was some kind of nepotism from Craig when the dude has barely worked in the industry outside of Hey Arnold is absolutely wild.
I’m not surprised about the whole coquita situation. I remember a story when my dad was working with somebody from central America and my dad said “pass me the (slang word for hammer)” and the other guy was confused because he though my dad said “pass me the (slang word for gay)
There's way too many slang for different Spanish words. Your really not going to please everyone.
I'm latina, born and raised in Latin America, have never been to the US, and I relate to this show. These characters are MY cousins. We also used to spend the summer vacation on my uncle's beach house. I actually already got kinda emotional watching some scenes, cuz it reminded ME of things that happened in my childhood. But the thing is Latin people are NOT ALL THE SAME (I know, what a twist) so of course it's not going to resonate with EVERYONE, we are not a monolith!!
you're so right, & the thing is that there is a lot to be said that the show takes place in the US, not LATAM. that means these kids would be growing up in a very different culture, be exposed to very different experiences, etc. as a kid who grew up around LA with mexican immigrant parents, a lot of what people were complaining about were just... things i remember growing up with. even now, while i can engage in a conversation in spanish, there are a lot of words i say or use incorrectly, have a wonky vocabulary, but all that would really matter to my family was that they understood what i meant & i understood them. sooo many words i'd make up in spanish from english (spoke spanish with parents, english with my 4 older siblings), & my mom would end up adopting some of them.
it was always supposed to depict those experiences of us first gen mexican kids, & iirc the creator drew a lot of it from her own experiences.
To me it sounds like Disney's standards and practices were told one thing, and then learned more. Which happens.
I do suspect moving forward Disney will start adding clauses into their contracts dealing with social media. As most of the bad blood of Primos comes from the voice actor's comments and not the show itself.
Jim Lang scored this? Now I must watch
I never thought of hearing you comment on RT’s videos
HOLY SHIT ITS THE LEGO GIRL!!!
@@woodman3926 lego girl as J2G is Transgender
@@mechmaster315 news to me. Proud of her.
Maybe they'll upload the OST. ^^
Pans 3d model is so visually pleasing ❤
San Diego is on the border. Los Angeles is 2 hours away. There is no sign of the border near Los Angeles
It’s…actually not horrible. Like, I expected it to suck, but it’s not bad, voice actor controversy aside. Nothing groundbreaking, but it’s cute, pretty good music, fun character designs, I give it a 7/10
Honestly the VA should’ve either chosen her words carefully or not said anything at all
She needs to give a public apology for all the trouble her words caused. She needs to be held accountable
This is an excellent example of how destructive social media can be. The show is...fine, i guess? But nowhere near as bad as a lot of people thought it would be.
This was a very long time coming. And I agree that it IS overhated 11:51 12:57
Well done and thoughtful review of this show. Personally I get what he means by most of Southern/Southern West US States where the population is a blending diverse of blacks, mexicans, and whites in some city. Chicano culture definitely has been prevalent for the past 40 years and from what I remember from the movie Selena as her father states it, "We have to be more Mexican than the Mexicans and more American than the Americans, both at the same time. It's exhausting!". I feel for anyone I have met in my life growing up, heck even my last name is somewhat Spanish/Mexican, that it's a challenging life to be in Southern US where the cultures border each other.
I wouldn't be interested in this show because of the art style as I have seen that waaaaay too much with Nickelodeon and CN/Disney shows, but hey if the kids love it. They'll love it. Also that's interesting that Jim Lang composed the music.
Pan brought back the milk!
I think people forgot what led up to the VA making those comments. Her response was bad, but people were accusing the crew of being racist and bad rep. Them having to make the characters explain the show was set in the USA is so on the nose it is pretty funny.
@@eggysegg then she should have explained why Tater's spanish is so bad that it even seeps into the opening song. Not insulting a language spoken by millions 🙄
Honestly the VA should’ve either chosen her words carefully or not said anything at all
She needs to give a public apology for all the trouble her words caused. She needs to be held accountable
Generic show: *exists*
Target adience: whatever
People involved in the generic show: *opens their big fucking mouth*
Target audience: and we took that personally
12:09 I’m pretty sure Hey Arnold! started as a series of claymation shorts on Peewee Herman’s Playhouse not Sesame Street.
“Ur eating up the bandwidth on your short bus”
RebelTaxi is so back
1:17 PERUVIAN TV MENTIONED!!! 🗣️🇵🇪
I thought it was "¡La Hora Pico!"
Suena "ota otes"
The controversy is the equivalent of a show being advertised as European, and everyone gets mad it only depicts the Gallo culture in France.
I dont understand how people thought this was anything but America tbh. The houses, the lawns, the school bus, there is a clear Hollywood sign in the intro.
@@BriefHorrors when you're mad you have tunnel vision
@@BriefHorrors literia de media muerto...
It would be more like a show that is advertised to be about the US South, but instead of being set in Georgia or Mississippi, it was set in Americana, Brazil.
@@BriefHorrors speaking as someone living in South America, most people were in fact aware that the show took place in the United States and that the protagonist and her cousins are Chicanos, not actual Latin Americans. The thing is that a majority of Latin Americans are getting tired that the majority of "Latino" representation in U.S. productions are mostly Chicano or Mexican. I think that's a reason why some recent shows and movies like Víctor & Valentino or the Blue Beetle movie weren't successful in Latin America
This show would have been okay with the controversial changes, if it wasn’t for Tater’s voice actor’s response video
Honestly the VA should’ve either chosen her words carefully or not said anything at all
She needs to give a public apology for all the trouble her words caused. She needs to be held accountable
I can't believe they really took 14 kids and crammed them into a single small bedroom. How is that not some type of child abuse?
2:31 THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SUMMER OF GEORGE
LA guy here. This area looks like a combination of Eagle rock and Cypress park, respectfully. Both mostly Hispanic communities. They’re neighborhoods that are right by the freeway. Eagle rock has a mountain on the other side of the freeway.
The last Oye Primos video was the best one youve had views-wise in years. i hope this one can hit the algorithm, because Rebeltaxi is stupidly underrated
Essay coming thru:
As yet another latino, I always felt the controversy incredibly overblown, although I understand why it happened.
There's a big divide between the cultures of US latinamericans and other spanish-speaking latinamericans. Latinos/as/es want to be represented too, but the US has a hegemony on culture, so all our cultures get mixed and filtered through a Hollywood lens, and for that, a lot of online latinamericans can get pretty defensive and vindictive (I include myself in this).
However, and I say this as self-criticism, there's also a lot we latinamericans don't know from our US-born friends and tend to judge their "ignorance" in our cultures as some kind of treachery, when it's just them coming from a different culture as ours. Hell, it's not a standard we apply to ourselves as other latinos. The favorite latinamerican past time is to complain and make jokes about the rest of the continent.
I like that the show actually engages with this cultural divide and makes points about it. I'm a nerd about Latinamerican history and their independence movements so seeing how these historical cultural divides clash nowadays, even if it's in a 6/10 cartoon show for children, is interesting to me.
Terremoto Heights podría haber sido en Chile jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
"Hacienda" also has some historical implications that are also not that good but I don't think anybody but a nerd like me would get it, so it's fine lol
TED Talk etc
Hacienda has much nicer conations in the states, too. It's a common name for restaurants here. Yet another cultural divide.
I guess the ¿outrage? from Latin America comes from the fact that we just don't consider american latinos as part of "us". And that's true, like Pan pointed out, those are 2 different demographics, and this show is clearly targeted towards people raised in the US.
Exactly, we don't see them as part of us and that's fine, they don't have to "be more Mexicans than the Mexicans, and more American than the Americans" to be accepted, they simply don't have to pretend they are from the same place their grandparents came from, that's all.
latins are so short sighted and close minded, thinking everything latin should be made for them not know that latin people exist in non latin nations as well.
@@LindyCougood point
As an American, I always assumed Latino was an American identity kind of like black, American or Asian American.
@@IceFireTerry it's a big ethnicity with many varieties
People made tons of hate videos for months based on a trailer and an intro (for clout, no doubt). I'm glad that you actually took the time to watch and give an honest opinion (and even going back on previous thoughts).
Re: The concrete wall - its not a border wall. Low income neighborhoods in LA will be interspersed with stuff like highway overpasses and train tracks. The walls are there to seperate those things (and reduce the noise) from the residents.
Is the sky in LA always piss yellow. Have y'all notice that Everytime there's a Latin show. The sky is always yellow, like in El Tigre lmao
I'm not from the U.S., but I've always assumed the sky in Los Ángeles has a yellow tint due to smog and pollution of all of the cars, I'm not sure if the same thing is true for México City, but I think it has become a tired cliché that the yellow filter is added for scenes from U.S. shows and movies set in México, or other Latin American countries, to show that the place is hot, like a desert
I do remember that in El Tigre, the city in which the series took place it also had that yellow tinted sky, now, El Tigre came out many years before the yellow filter became more widespread in popular culture, but I think the show portrays Mexican American culture in a more exaggerated way, kind of line Mucha Lucha! did, and that's why I think even people from México and Latin America enjoyed those shows much more. But nowadays, with globalization and people having more access to the Internet, show like Primos and Víctor and Valentino, get more criticized by people from actual Latin America, since those shows tried to portray Latino culture in a more "realistic" or educational way, or just for the sake of representation. That and people from Latin America are getting tired that the default Latino representation in U.S. media is mainly Mexican/Chicano-inspired, even Mexicans are tired of it
@@pablocasas5906I’ve been to Mexico City and the sky is blue and clear, not even grey. The night sky is brown, tho. The smog is not enough to block out the sun, but it is enough to reflect all of the light pollution back into the city at night.
well to be fair, LA has the one of, if not, the most air pollution of all US cities so 💀
One of the weird reactions I saw to this show was people from Latin America taking aim at Chicanos and saying stuff like we were gringo latinos or fake latinos. Like yeah English may be our first language unless we have a family member who was an immigrant but we still grew up in the same Mexican ass households as the rest of them
Tbh, there’s a difference growing up in the USA with a latino household to growing up in Latino America. Both are still latinos but the way they interact with the culture will be different
@@smiley_boy00 sure people born in the US identify as American, speak less Spanish depending on where they live, and get invested in American centric stuff. But like we are still mostly still living in the same Hispanic households and partake in cultural stuff like the music, food, religion, and many still speak Spanish. There are those like the Ted Cruz types who totally disassociate themselves from their cultural heritages but I don't think they're as common
not nearly the same lol different cultures, different problems, different lifestyle also chicanos are like the worst cuz they got the white saviour complex from usa and the I can speak cuz is my culture, don't get me started on how they were hating on speedy, encanto, mario bros with a sombrero, etc when the latinos were happy to be taking into account and didn't hate any of it
Actually no, there is a big different between a Latin ascendant person and a person born and raised in Latin america, the struggles we face are different from yours and, while this is no competition, Chicanos tend to speak over latinamerican raised people when it comes to culture and societal issues, which is what causes the rejection on most ocassions. I have seen and read latinos that were raised on the united states openly dismissing the opinion of latino natives due to their broken english, for example, and we came with the "no sabo kid" stereotype as a way to counter them, because if we have to learn english to have valid arguments, you can learn spanish to connect with the culture you're supposedly interested in.
It is a quite complicated topic, honestly, but a lot would be solved if chicanos and other latinos raised in the state just assumed that they are a minority when it comes to talking about latam problems, and the main focus should be on those who actually live on those latam countries.
Lmao no is not the same
But Internet man!! You're supposed to tell me how bad this is, not that people blew it out of proportion.
the no sabo part hits so close to home lmao
That los pollos hermanos joke had me laughing way too much
As a One Piece fan, I second the No Sabo agenda.
To answer the question in the chapter titles, yeah it's pretty good. It seems like they really paid attention to what and who people wanted to see, and it shows a lot of love to the comic versions of both Wolverine and Deadpool while being a great sendoff to the 20th Century Fox era of Xmen.
I like how impossible a task "protray California neutrally" is
No worries about taking a break. It has given me the opportunity to watch your backlog.
You're alive. I thought the channel and everything around it died
I honestly agree, this show seemed very over hated but when you watch it, It's just very generic and nothing really makes it stand out.
And all the censorship feels like the show treats you like an idiot. There's no subtlety
"Something that Kanye would say if he was Mexican".
Bullseye, 10/10, no notes.
12:00 heck no I’m Mexican. Live amongst the folks. There’s a dude in my neighborhood who has that for his car horn. He only honks it off when he’s partying. Hahaha. Love that sound haha
I think this whole debacle could have been avoided if either
A. The intro made it clear the main character was using incorrect Spanish because with no context, it sounded like the creative team did not know Spanish which prompted the complaints and the backlash.
B. The intro was released alongside the first episode in like a pilot king of way to make it clear that the incorrect Spanish is intentional as a core aspect to the show.
Because the main issue stemmed from the incorrect Spanish and without knowing the context of it being intentional, people reacted justifiably. Aside from the backlash, it also is just really weird for Disney to release an intro to a new show without context because even if we didn’t have the whole language issue, the intro didn’t really sell what the show was given that people have also been calling it Disney’s Loud House/Casse Grande.
You know what, I find it kind of funny how people always bring The Casagrandes when talking about Primos, which kind of makes sense for various reasons, and some people also bring Mucha Lucha and El Tigre, but it's weird people never bring Víctor and Valentino as another example of a cartoon series focused on latino chaaracters. Although, I don't remember Víctor & Valentino being that popular, and it wasn't a big hit in Latin America like Mucha Lucha and El Tigre were, the only thing I remember about V&V is that, despite the show taking place in México, the pilot episode's Spanish dub was made in Venezuela, but the series proper was dubbed in México, and the shows' creator Diego Molano actually dubbed the character of Víctor in the Spanish dub, but only for the first 19 episodes, then he was replaced by an actual Mexican dub VA, Diego Becerril
discourse so unwarranted I included it in a section of my senior thesis on latino characters in children's animation
As someone who was also a "no sabo" kid growing up, that scene hit me like a truck 😵😵
Honestly it's tragic how this could have been pretty relatable to kids in that situation, but people bitching caused them to sand down all the edges.
It'd be like if Hey Arnold had to remove trash from the streets or made his apartment complex super nice instead of a realistic depiction.
I really like this channel. A lot of cartoon reviewers on youtube are boring
Tater wanting to be Goku is pretty fitting, Dragon Ball is extremly popular in Mexico
Yeah, Dragon Ball is extremely popular here in Latin America, but part of me feels is kind of a shallow surface reference, there're many more anime series popular in Latin America, like Saint Seiya, Sakura Cardcaptor, Naruto, One Piece, Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen, etc.
San Diego is closer to the Mexican border and is a further 127 miles south of LA, actually. The walls are just mainly because of all the freeway overpasses.
Honestly, as a non-Mexican who's watched and read Mexican content in Spanish, Mexico was just Texas but everyone spoke Spanish. Cowboys, big cities, blazing heat. It has a culture very similar to ours from what I saw. So, looking at Chicano and Latino culture here, it does feel exaggerated to an extent. It doesn't exactly feel Mexican but something else.
Because it's not a Chicano story. It's the story of a white washed Mexican girl who grew up with a white dad. (Same as the creator of the show, who doesn't even have her mom's last name include her name.) That explains the whole controversy with the inauthenticity.
The episode makes me feel sorry for Tater when she feels left out for not good at speaking spanish
Yeah, I tried giving this show a shot and....yeah, I'm just not a fan. Controversy aside, Tater got on my nerves real quickly.
I forget how much I love Pan's editing and weird steam-of-consciousness jokes until he makes videos like this.
1:14 as a filipino, we are basically mexicans from wallmart. that joke was uncalled for but funny
13:12 No way they got rid of it.
I think the last time I saw Radio Disney be advertised was in 2018 and 2019.
Well RIP Radio Disney
As a Cali resident on the fault line we have an earth quake every 4 to 8 months, typically small earthquakes that feel like small rumblings. We had one today that lasted nearly 8 seconds that slightly vibrated the earth.
1:41 nah, not the playing “short bus” card in 2024💀
3:05 Shoutout to that one episode of Clarence
16:14
"I. CAN'T. DRAW!"
"It's okay Ren, lots of people who make cartoons can't draw!"
Some dude did a pretty good thread on the dumbness of the outrage explaining how pointless it is was likining it to the Ebonics scare white people do in the US, we break the grammar rules of english all the time like the we do for example Opposites as emphasis for example
Ebonics?
@@blackjacka.5097aka AAVE, african-american vernacular english.
@@blackjacka.5097it was what they used to call our particular dialect of english😊
The people were outraged not so much because of the broken english, but becuase this show seemed to want to represent actual Mexico before they clarified it was a chicano show with a character that doesn't even speak spanish. Latam tends to be the butt of the joke many times and that fine, but it does sting when someone tries to "correct those mistakes" and ends up doing it wrong. The VA being an ass didn't help either.
(also, the fact that they also called this show latam inspired when is just mexican related characters and scenaries sucked a lot because usa seems to believe that we're just one big land called mexico and we eat nothing but churro burritos and watch el chavo del 8. We can make fun of that ourselves, but if a gringo does it? They 'bout to get hands)
Did you have a stroke at the end there?
Oh yeah,it's good to see you back Pan!
15:37 This is what happens when you give the 12 Oz. Mouse guy a budget, BTW. Matt Maienllaro deserves so much more respect in the animation community.
Maybe I should say this. But I’m actually good friends with Natasha Kline a month after the theme song was revealed. Granted she was really nice to me and without her I wouldn’t met Craig Bartlett. The show itself, it was pretty solid and I love all the SoCal references. Natasha and I are both from the same area growing up in Southern California and yes this show was relatable.
Big Hero 6 had alot of earthquake references, even though it's due to the fact the earthquake played the lore and caused its futuristic.
deepercutt reference spotted
Honestly I always felt this show wasn't gonna be bad anyways. Like as a Hispanic American who is VERY familiar with chicano type people and the stereotypes that come from it this show honestly looked fine from the start despite the "offensive" names they chose for her city and characters. Like I am what's considered "No sabo" because I don't know Spanish for nothing, but like the way this show represents Hispanic families and chicano culture is very accurate and fun tbh. Also I believe Cheech Marin is ten times more entertaining than George Lopez and Danny Trejo, put some respect on my boys name.
Bro actually just flexed on me with his Homies collection.. you are cutting deep bro