How to Trim a Coat Closet | Ask This Old House

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  • Ask This Old House general contractor Tom Silva trims a coat closet by installing a clothes rod and shelf. (See below for a shopping list, tools, and steps.)
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    Shopping List for How to Trim a Coat Closet:
    1x5 clear pine
    1x12 clear pine
    Metal clothes rod
    Clothes-rod bracket
    Construction adhesive
    Tools for How to Trim a Coat Closet:
    Driver
    Miter saw
    Nail gun or hammer
    Reciprocating saw
    Caulk gun
    Steps for How to Trim a Coat Closet:
    1. Use a stud finder to locate studs in the closet walls.
    2. Cut three pieces of 1x5 pine to measured length using the miter saw.
    3. Nail pine pieces together using a nail gun or hammer to assemble the shelf cleat.
    4. Screw the two clothes-rod brackets to opposite ends of the cleat assembly using a driver.
    5. Measure 5’4” off the floor and draw a straight line across all three sides using a level.
    6. Dab construction adhesive with the caulk gun to the inside of the wall where the cleat will sit.
    7. Line up the cleat to match the top of the level line.
    8. Nail the cleat to the studs using a nail gun or hammer.
    9. Cut the clothes rod to measured length using a reciprocating saw.
    10. Measure across the top of the cleat to figure out the desired length for shelf.
    11. Mark the measurement on 1x12 pine and cut it to length using the miter saw.
    12. Place the pine shelf on top of the cleat and nail it to the cleat using a nail gun or hammer.
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Комментарии • 105

  • @rickt2419
    @rickt2419 7 лет назад +30

    Tommy always make things look easy...

  • @DanielZajic
    @DanielZajic 4 года назад +11

    Use an inexpensive ($30) laser measure for inside measurements. You get an exact fit that won't shift side-to-side even a little. Changed my life.

  • @Blobjonblob
    @Blobjonblob 8 лет назад +15

    When using your level to mark a line longer than the level always flip the level length ways, Its good practice in case there is discrepancies in the level itself.

    • @PatEm10
      @PatEm10 8 лет назад +4

      +iShootBandits
      I've never heard this. I've marked lines for this very thing several times in the houses I've lived in. It actually made me distrust my two foot level. But your tip makes perfect sense. Just like how you should flip a board back and forth when you're making repeated cuts off it. Thanks!

    • @RoastBeefSandwich
      @RoastBeefSandwich 5 лет назад +2

      if your level is wrong, buy a new level.

    • @winnlunt5006
      @winnlunt5006 3 года назад +3

      Flip the level length ways? What do you mean?

  • @michaelfreeman8458
    @michaelfreeman8458 6 лет назад +15

    Tommy, now you have to paint around the pole socket and cup. Also, why not use pre-primed wood?

  • @leovoldoftrest9987
    @leovoldoftrest9987 8 месяцев назад

    Haven't seen that level line trick before. Worth the click just for that.

  • @Bapuji42
    @Bapuji42 2 года назад +1

    You're nailing straight into wood...but gluing to paint on drywall is going to help?

  • @rowland.woodworks
    @rowland.woodworks 7 лет назад +69

    The best part is that Tommy says he's gonna measure up 5'4" and it's right at the top of his head. 😂😂😂

    • @mohammedaslam8145
      @mohammedaslam8145 3 года назад

      🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

    • @moonbear5929
      @moonbear5929 3 года назад

      I couldn't help but get a chuckle out of that!

  • @Chungustav
    @Chungustav 6 лет назад +2

    I saw the slow close up on the Bostitch model number. Nice product placement

  • @HoneySparkles2
    @HoneySparkles2 Год назад

    😂😂 shelf level..but MY walls aren't!! Thanks for video. Everybody posts but yours really is simple. Even this 62yr old woman will try! I have mobile home with no support between sheetrock, this is 1st video that tells to put screws at angle in corner! I am not wood smart, as you can tell 😂.

  • @theamerican4609
    @theamerican4609 2 года назад +2

    How do you do the upper shelf with only one stud?

  • @Protoculturebjj
    @Protoculturebjj 6 лет назад +28

    Isn't putting the cleat together outside also making an assumption the closet is square?

    • @thomasnorthcastle4130
      @thomasnorthcastle4130 6 лет назад +11

      protocultureBJJ putting the cleat together outside makes no difference. The cleat that goes on the back wall goes on first and if the walls aren’t square, the side cleats will bend in or out.

    • @WouterZtube
      @WouterZtube 3 года назад

      He used nails so he can bend or any way he likes. Which also makes the case to use screws instead of nails that have no holding power...

  • @evanleesyoutoob
    @evanleesyoutoob 5 лет назад +1

    I have a similar project, only I am using shelf/rod brackets that go into the back wall instead of the sides like in the video. I don't have studs in good locations.
    Would I be able to attach a trim to just the back wall (no sides), and screw the brackets into that?

  • @larrymoore6640
    @larrymoore6640 2 года назад +2

    I wish Tom would have included the measurements for mounting the rod brackets

    • @rls151
      @rls151 2 года назад +1

      I installed the brackets after the trim. First I used a hanger with a jacket to get the general location. There are usually 3 hole in the backets. The hole at the bottom is what I fastened first then took those measurements to that hole and to the bracket on the other side.

  • @robertchristian4679
    @robertchristian4679 4 года назад +3

    Who made that decision Tommy or the home owner to make it 5'4"

  • @johndoe6032
    @johndoe6032 11 месяцев назад +2

    Big thumbs down on the construction adhesive! That's going to make it a nightmare if they or anyone else wants to remove that down thee road. (ask me how I know!) Nails/screws into the studs is plenty strong!

  • @Joseph1NJ
    @Joseph1NJ 7 лет назад +12

    Since it's a closet, and you only need a little wood, buy cedar. It's not that much more.

  • @possibility28able
    @possibility28able 5 лет назад +3

    If the span of the rod is longer, would you recommend using lag bolts, or a bigger nail, to fasten the trim pieces?

    • @Brandon-cs8gw
      @Brandon-cs8gw 5 лет назад +7

      Personally, I'd use screws~

    • @moonbear5929
      @moonbear5929 3 года назад +2

      Yep, I agree with the other guy, I would use screws regardless.

  • @san379
    @san379 8 лет назад +3

    great job.. i would use spruce and cheaper 3/4 mdf and paint it all

    • @Brandon-cs8gw
      @Brandon-cs8gw 5 лет назад +1

      MDF is garbage for a job where weight is a factor because it just gives & strips like nobodies buisness

  • @DonJudge-y1g
    @DonJudge-y1g 3 месяца назад

    a little higher would be a nice option too

  • @tonydude1985
    @tonydude1985 6 лет назад +5

    Using a sabre saw to cut the pole , can you say "rough" ?

    • @michaelfreeman8458
      @michaelfreeman8458 5 лет назад +5

      he is using a fine tooth blade. Plus he put the cut end in the socket side, where it will not show, and the clean factory end of the pole in the "u" side.

  • @95kmusic
    @95kmusic 4 месяца назад

    Which gauge nails are you using?

  • @PedroRodriguez-hy5ty
    @PedroRodriguez-hy5ty Год назад

    How about on concrete walls let me know thanks

  • @SixTwoHemi
    @SixTwoHemi 5 лет назад +3

    Not sure brad nails will hold for the long run not sure why he didn’t use finish screws for better grip.

    • @Brandon-cs8gw
      @Brandon-cs8gw 5 лет назад +2

      He nailed through pine into studs. If they are long nails, it's not going anywhere for a very long time, but yes I'd personally fasten them with 3 inch screws

    • @Vera-xu3xw
      @Vera-xu3xw 4 года назад +2

      I use Brad nails to set everything up an go back an put 3in screw in each stud (on a short run)

  • @TeToruFarms
    @TeToruFarms 7 лет назад

    what if the walls are out square and the shelf is tight at the back but only partially supported near the front. I would need to somehow cut the board ends on a different angle. how do I get it looking nice in an old house.

  • @dylanshabtai4554
    @dylanshabtai4554 3 года назад

    No word on hanging rod clearance from the shelf? How low and how deep in the closet is the rod situated?

    • @moonbear5929
      @moonbear5929 3 года назад +1

      I would dry fit the shelf in first, then get a large coat hanger and put a heavy coat that you would wear on the hanger and place it on the side wall under the shelf. Play around with it, make sure the shoulder of the coat doesn't go past the door trim and it's well in the closet. Then pretend to take the coat off the rod, how much clearance do you need to life the hanger hook on and off the rod without hitting the shelf. That's where you mount the rod hardware.

  • @freddubose5539
    @freddubose5539 5 лет назад

    Great video

  • @chrisfi3d
    @chrisfi3d 6 лет назад +1

    3:20 - smooth

  • @Kevincheesepizza
    @Kevincheesepizza 5 лет назад +1

    Does it have to be pine or can it be MDF

    • @Vera-xu3xw
      @Vera-xu3xw 4 года назад +3

      It can be any kinda material you want it to be.
      I'm using MDF on mine.

  • @аралтанманджиев-п2ж
    @аралтанманджиев-п2ж 8 лет назад +21

    On 1:26 Tommy's left hand fingers were close to a nail. Dangerous. If a nail hits a hidden knot or the growth rings directs the nail toward the fingers, there could be an accident.

    • @nicholas8479
      @nicholas8479 7 лет назад

      Good point. I saw someone get shot in the foot doing something similar. He was in a lot of pain.

    • @buk6708
      @buk6708 6 лет назад +3

      Pussy

    • @tonybartelmann6313
      @tonybartelmann6313 6 лет назад +2

      аралтан манджиев Tommy is a professional he knows haw to do all of nail guns

    • @SuperDave44Mag
      @SuperDave44Mag 5 лет назад +2

      It happens...part of the job. Some things that DIYer's call dangerous we pro's just call it everyday work. You do it enough and you learn what you're capable of.

  • @LG-jy9nc
    @LG-jy9nc 4 года назад

    The Clusit?

  • @bananapatch9118
    @bananapatch9118 5 лет назад

    My closet is 12 feet wide...best way to support the pole in the middle ? Thx !

    • @desmondgreen1253
      @desmondgreen1253 5 лет назад

      Install a bracket to stop pole from moving or add a wall in the middle to help support weight

    • @kayBTR
      @kayBTR 5 лет назад

      brianohbrian burns what is a gable please?

    • @TheLosman38
      @TheLosman38 4 года назад

      Add a bracket every 4 or 5 feet. For a 12 ' span, i would put two middle brackets.

  • @DonnieMajestic
    @DonnieMajestic 5 лет назад +1

    nice, could you make a video on how to remove the shelf and rod ?

  • @SusieW
    @SusieW 5 лет назад +1

    Wouldn't screws be a safer bet than nails?

    • @RoastBeefSandwich
      @RoastBeefSandwich 5 лет назад +1

      either would work in this application, we're not talking about a lot of weight. screws are brittle, they can snap when under a lot of shear stress. Nails will bend with the weight.

  • @mdz_mekos5971
    @mdz_mekos5971 3 года назад

    I aslo do trimming but not like this, totally different the way we do it faster in my point

  • @raminybhatti5740
    @raminybhatti5740 2 года назад

    A bit frugal with the construction adhesive, lol.

  • @zenocashi
    @zenocashi 4 года назад +3

    Never use glue

    • @moonbear5929
      @moonbear5929 3 года назад

      Yeah, I didn't like the glue idea on top of sheet rock with weight bearing hardware on it. RIP!

  • @whatnowok
    @whatnowok 7 месяцев назад

    You mean there’s no studs on the back wall that you can’t anchor the pine to

  • @phxtonash
    @phxtonash 8 лет назад +3

    Tommy

  • @cameronp5728
    @cameronp5728 2 года назад +1

    Tom cant find the stud because he is the stud....In fact Tom's knock is so intimidating and stern, the stud behind the wall sounds hollow.....

  • @abbyboyone
    @abbyboyone 4 года назад

    why not just attach the pole holders to the walls using dry wall anchors? just asking

    • @88KeysIdaho
      @88KeysIdaho 4 года назад +2

      Not stubstantial enough. That clothes rod might hold 50 or 60 pounds of coats or other things, and needs to be driven into studs. Plus, the side pieces help support the shelf, which you couldn't do if you only used anchors.

  • @mikeciul8599
    @mikeciul8599 2 года назад +1

    I'm building a closet and trying to figure out whether to put shelves in first or put the door in first. I watched this video and the followup where they put the door in (ruclips.net/video/ZAkGt7xvDUg/видео.html). I can't figure out how the door trim fits around the cleat on the right side. Did they have to cut it? It seems like it would be easier to put the door in first just to make the cleat fit... what am I missing?

  • @red_freckle
    @red_freckle 8 лет назад +1

    Pretty rough way to do it but it gets the job done.

  • @WouterZtube
    @WouterZtube 3 года назад

    No shims?
    Sure, let's nail it. Because screws aren't invented yet.
    I'll keep my hands close to where the nail could exit so I'm sure it's secure...

    • @moonbear5929
      @moonbear5929 3 года назад

      I would have used screws for sure!

  • @benjaminwilliams3568
    @benjaminwilliams3568 2 года назад

    I thought Roger would have cutout the drywall to the dimensions of the wood being used. This would have given the closet rod supports a flush look aligned the the drywall, rather than mounted over the drywall giving a proud and unsightly look. The shelf edges could have been set back Into a cutout of the drywall giving a much cleaner finish.

  • @Racedoc
    @Racedoc 6 лет назад

    He is using Festool which is the best

    • @TheLosman38
      @TheLosman38 4 года назад

      Expensive doesnt always mean best. Theyre okay, not worth the money IMO

  • @regibson23
    @regibson23 6 лет назад +2

    Really don't like that you assembled it outside. So easy to be just a little bit off.

    • @TheLosman38
      @TheLosman38 4 года назад

      I agree... Its just not necessary. Just put a piece in and fasten it... Why make the unit outside? Weird.

  • @fvids1603
    @fvids1603 6 лет назад +1

    Not sure the glue will stick to the mud. The walls weren’t even sanded yet

  • @kazgeneral
    @kazgeneral 6 лет назад

    Хороший канал

  • @possibility28able
    @possibility28able 5 лет назад

    Level looked a little off

  • @dicklongson683
    @dicklongson683 5 лет назад

    only 1,000

  • @SpookyMietz
    @SpookyMietz 8 лет назад +6

    i don't know why he nailed the trim instead of screwing it to the closet. He wouldn't have needed the glue then

    • @chancehumphreys6737
      @chancehumphreys6737 7 лет назад

      oh yes cause it would be so easy to hold that up and screw it to the wall with 3 in screws. painters also have to putty the nail holes, puttying a screw hole is probably difficult. also the glue on nails holds very well and nails have a much higher shear strength compared to screws.

    • @SpookyMietz
      @SpookyMietz 7 лет назад +2

      I'm a Carpenter myself for 20 years now and I knowm y trade. In Germany
      we use screws most of the time, nails are mostly outdated since over 35
      years, u sed only to fix moldings or alike to furniture or walls, etc.
      And good screws offer more strenght, even shear strenght than nails. Low
      qualitiy nails, or the wrong nails could bend, or slip out under heavy
      weight. Therefore the glue. But as I said, screw that stuff on and
      problems are fixed. Saves time and material. I never understood why
      americans seem to be allergic to screws and still hold on to nailing so
      much.

    • @chancehumphreys6737
      @chancehumphreys6737 7 лет назад

      nailing everything is just a lot faster, you have nail guns that hold 50 plus nails and can shoot many at one time, with screws you have to hold the piece up and screw it into the stud which most of the time is difficult and takes forever, production trim carpenters and framers would never use screws for everything. they're expensive and take forever to fasten with and as everyone knows, time is money.

    • @chancehumphreys6737
      @chancehumphreys6737 7 лет назад +1

      Also, saying screws have better shear strength compared to nails just isn't true. drive a nail into something and hit it back and forth with a hammer and it will take a good 8 to 10 times to break it off. Most screws will only take 1-2 times of back and forth to snap.

    • @SpookyMietz
      @SpookyMietz 7 лет назад +1

      It's true, nailing with a gun is definately faster and it's totally fine for trim and framing. Driving screws into wood isn't difficult at all if you know how to do it. I don't say nailing is crap per se, there's just a difference how we in Germany usually fasten stuff and how you in the US are doing it. My experience tells me that screwed connections just have a better strenght and hold to them.

  • @Vera-xu3xw
    @Vera-xu3xw 4 года назад +1

    You own an electric nail gun but no laser level

  • @gratefuldude941
    @gratefuldude941 6 лет назад

    Who finished that drywall? I understand it's just a closet, but Jesus......

    • @88KeysIdaho
      @88KeysIdaho 4 года назад

      In many parts of the country, that's the looks they're after. Referred to around here as a "Sun Valley" finish...

  • @matttafakt
    @matttafakt Год назад

    What.. no closet jokes ?

  • @billyandjohnny7734
    @billyandjohnny7734 5 лет назад

    O

  • @charlescho
    @charlescho 8 лет назад +1

    This is the first video where I did not like Tommy's work. Very amateurish.

    • @michaelmancuso4647
      @michaelmancuso4647 8 лет назад

      Charles Cho shush

    • @roberterickson77
      @roberterickson77 7 лет назад +6

      I agree Charles Cho.. I'm a contractor and have learned many new techniques over the years I've watched TOH. However on this video, he clearly used either 16 ga. or 18 ga. finish nails, and only a few at that, for a shelf and coat rack could potentially hold a considerable amount of weight.
      Granted, it's not a safety issue where this would likely hurt someone, but screws into the studs would make this much stronger. And we're not talking an increase in cost.
      Your average homeowner who wants to do this doesn't own a cordless nailer or even a pneumatic nailer. But I bet they have a screw gun or drill.
      I digress.... one of the seldom occasions I disapprove to Tommy's work.

    • @myronsmith2114
      @myronsmith2114 6 лет назад

      Robert Erickson You forget the side rails are nailed into the back rail and screws wouldn't help any better in this situation .Most of the weight on the shelf will be on that back rail as a contractor you should know this

  • @johnhelton457
    @johnhelton457 4 года назад +1

    In my first work I always used Woodglut plans.

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