Great job Spencer! I love your tread jig that you use to get precise lengths on wall to wall fits. I am a retired cabinetmaker but I always learn new tricks watching you. Please keep sharing your videos with us!!
I am so glad you put in the fact you forgot the rod. Seriously, for me I always feel like crap like that happens only to me. Great job and love the channel!
Everyone wants floating shelves and have no idea of what's involved to do it right. Awesome tips. The threaded rod with PL is a great addition to keep the shelves straight. Thanks again!
As a begining carpenter/woodworker at age 60, I can use all the simply explained tips, tricks and fully explained instructions I can get. Great job. Thank you.
I was a custom cabinet maker/millworker for over 30 years. A lot of my kitchens, libraries, built ins, architectural millwork etc. are in multi million dollar homes a long the gold coast. It's laughable how many self proclaimed experts who are nothing more than rank amateurs at best are on youtube. Based on this one video, it's refreshing to see a guy who actually knows what he is talking about, the real deal. Nice work!
Pro tip with the rounding of the shelf… I would’ve done the cleat, but probably would not have thought of doing the shelf… at least not on the first one… Great job… (and the glue on the finger commet was savage)
MORNING OF A JOB - pure patience and enthusiasm END OF A JOB - (your last moments in the video exactly) i know too well your reaction, 15 years carpentry, 4 years stair building :)
I’ve got that same FSTOOL XL4000 blade on my DeWalt as well. It has really made things consistent. Thank you so much for the videos! The bit at the end where you forgot the rod in that last shelf… I literally said, “thank goodness… It’s not just me!“. You totally didn’t have to add that in but I’m glad you did.
dude I've been watching a lot of your older videos lately and when the new ones drop I'm always blown away by how far your video making skills have come, legit on the level of your carpentry skills. To be so dialed on two different things.... damn bro!!! as always super helpful info, I always learn things that don't even have to do specifically with what your accomplishing in each video, thank you
Love your work and the way you show us how to do a professional job. As a DIY'er I've learned so much from your videos I can't thank you enough. Also loved the way you spread the wall just a bit to get the shelves to slide in, I never would have thought of that.
I appreciate you not only sharing your immense experience with us, but all the difficult moments you run into as well that so many of us DIY'rs can relate to. So many videos on here show near perfect execution from start to finish and it can be a little disheartening to us dimwits.
Absolutely beautiful work, thanks. I have to add one thing here. My then 94 year old German carpenter friend built me shelves for my broom closet turned pantry. When he was done I asked him why he didn't make all the shelves equidistant. He said, when are you going to store things in there that are all the same size? Just something to consider and in memory or my old buddy Louie.
I've had that stair tread jig sitting in my garage utility closet for about 2 years now. I'm excited to be able to dust it off and have another use for it.
So many great tips..thanks for sharing Spencer..when I do floating shelves I make them 3” thick & miter fold them..then I make a 4 sided frame 1 1/2” thick to fit the inside of the shelf( I’ll make the frame about 1/4 short of the depth to account if I scribe to the back wall..with stretchers every 12” to make a “ chicken ladder” or a sturdy frame..but I find if I have to slide the shelf in a drywall outside corner the front of the shelf is shorter than the back because of corner bead.. so instead of trying to custom fit & damage drywall I just cut my shelves 1/2” short ,slide them in & nail off into frame on sides close to edge & back ..then mill some scribe 3/4 x 3/8 & trim the sides of shelves to hide gaps but it also makes a nice detail..just my experience but love this channel
Like always at this channel , nice Pro tips, super explanation and a lot of useful information. Even problem soften without strange cut off the video. Thank You 🙏🏻 All best and good luck with another project. Regards from Raf, Polish contractor in Amsterdam (NL)
Spencer - your videos are getting really good. This one was so helpful... Thanks for all the help & inspiration. Never thought of using the stair tread gauge for alcove shelving. Always been frustrated with my previous efforts.
Never a good idea to forget the “rod” SL … I noticed the back bevel on the top/bottoms, great detail of box out with ribbon shelf building? needing a scribe cut/fit allowing the least amount of material to remove. I love working with tight tolerances to avoid extra scrap/clean-up trying to eliminate non-production chores is a must. Love the stretcher too! Great job/vid bud..
I do the exact same thing using the stair gauges but I will steal your hack on using the 3/4-in threaded rod. That's a great trick. I work on primarily remodels so the walls are far less than perfect and usually in the situation like you have the front is the narrowest measurement which means you can never slide it in as a pre-assembled unit. To get around this I cut a top and a bottom piece scribed perfectly to the walls then I installed a spacer in the front so the opening is uniform across the shelves and then biscuit and glue a front edge on.
I love so much a woodworker who does a clean and neat job, and you're one of my favorite person. Thanks so much to share your tips and tricks with us. 👌👌👍👍
Looking back on working thru that , you become more capable thru it, mostly it’s your perceived reaction to other peoples opinions that stings the most, so control your reaction to the problem and fix it, that’s what you did. ( very good job ).
Stair tread gauges are a great idea, just hope your back wall is flat and 90° to the end walls. Any hump in the back wall will throw the gauge reading off. Just speaking from experience. Good video, as usual👍
You're right about the back wall being flat, but the corners don't need to be 90°. The shelf gauge gives you both those angles, plus the relative position of the back corners.
You get the realative angles to the back wall with the stair gauge. What is not covered, and what I have seen is bowed back walls. What I try to talk my clients into is inserting a shelf I build nice and square with dado cuts to support then trim the front to make them look floating. Otherwise I just caution them about this possibility. I have also cut the board into the drywall on back a few times when there is a bow. Attach my back bracket to the studs and the shelf fits on the bracket inside the drywall pocket, so no gap showing to reveal to bow. A little caulk cleans up the line. Good video
Awesome video! I've got 8 to do in a customers house next month and wasn't sure how to do the template for the walls. That tool is going on my shopping list!
A trick I learned a couple years ago for tight fits like this is rub wax on the ends of the material you are sliding in. Helps protect the walls and makes material slide easier.
I'll try that. I just struggled with an install on an alcove like this where the walls were trapezoidal, pinching towards the opening, 5/8" tighter in front than back. I use the wall spreading technique, but on finished walls I dislike it. I ended up cracking the corner bead of the drywall loose and of course paid for the repair. Would have been much easier to clean up the wax!
Man those stair tread gauges are a great idea!! This is right up my ally, I put in at least a dozen of these per month. I’ve tried the threaded rod method before, but found just using 1” maple dowel. And I get the dowel perfectly level by using a 18” long wood owl bit with a laser level shining down the side while I drill. A little shot of silicone in there and it’ll never come out. And if you still need some micro adjusting, I make some 3/16 wide hardwood shims into the dowel hole. I’ve done at least a few dozen like this 100% level. And with another shot of silicone on the dowel, the shelf won’t come off either. Or you can fire a 24g or 18g pin through the shelf into the dowel. My favourite part about this method is that it’s solid enough to climb like a ladder and never become wobbly. And can still be wrestled apart without ruining the shelf or the wall.
Great tip with the long bit and the laser. I like to use the oversized hole and pl because it allows for some wiggle room to get things perfectly level.
@@InsiderCarpentry Ya, as a redundancy, the PL in the oversized hole Is a great idea. For my applications it’s mostly for full floaters with no walls to cleat to on one side, or both sides.
@@nadrojylloh yes, because if you’re 100% filling that hole back up extremely tight with a much harder wood that you’re also gluing in. You’re actually increasing the strength of that stud.
Great video as usual from you, lots of good tips. I love the way you can slide the the shelves in, but I had no such luck with side walls. The corners cannot be square by our North American design using drywall. The corner beads get mudded and by design will bulge out on both corners, inside and out. That’s why they cannot be square and the front is narrower than the middle then even more narrower in the back, maybe, depends on drywaller! Haven’t found a square wall yet. Kitchen installers know this and usually use fillers at the ends to square up cabinets.
Not afraid to get PL on my finger, but I am afraid to get it on stain grade plywood. I work from the top down in case of any oozing PL. Great video as always.
hi Spencer, thanks for the insightful video ! I am wondering what kind of plywood did you use to make the shelf. I thought I heard you said 'stain grade' ? Did you need to laminate a wood veneer on the plywood? Thanks
Great video good tips 👍 everything makes sense! Shelf installation I would start from the top , in that way you don’t have to lean over installed ones.
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Thank you for NOT editing out your mistakes (forgot metal rod) so us regular folks don’t feel so dumb. Nice to know you’re human.
The "Oh, I forgot the Rod" look is priceless. Good to know you are human. Great Job again Spencer.
We have all been there
Awesome channel. Thanks for avoiding the clickbait and unnecessary extra video length that a lot of other finish carpenters are doing.
Damn!! Apart from the slick workmanship, you also show the struggle. So I can know what to do when in the same position. Cool video!!
Loved the use of the board to temporarily tweak the walls back a hair. Couple seconds of video worth years of trade school. Awesome video
Ahh, so that's what he was doing with the board he wedged in there.
Any lifelong carpenter knows EXACTLY what AGHHH means , great video as usual. Thanks for all the awesome insight and knowledge you have Mr. Lewis!
Lmfao so true hahaha
Yeah, rough day...... days over!! Get away from me... lol
Lmao that made my day I'm a lifetime carpenter and I definitely know what that mean
"Mistakes were made". :)
Yep. True statement Mugs. Roughly translates to “well that sucked but it looks friggin awesome. 🍻:30
Great job Spencer! I love your tread jig that you use to get precise lengths on wall to wall fits. I am a retired cabinetmaker but I always learn new tricks watching you. Please keep sharing your videos with us!!
Far and away the best channel for anyone who wants to know what a real pro does in the field
I am so glad you put in the fact you forgot the rod. Seriously, for me I always feel like crap like that happens only to me. Great job and love the channel!
Great video ! Used to mot mind getting PL on my hands until I read the warning label.
I loved that you showed you forgot the rod,your human ,kudos ,great job sir .
Everyone wants floating shelves and have no idea of what's involved to do it right. Awesome tips. The threaded rod with PL is a great addition to keep the shelves straight. Thanks again!
As a begining carpenter/woodworker at age 60, I can use all the simply explained tips, tricks and fully explained instructions I can get. Great job. Thank you.
You are an amazing Carpenter and easily the best on RUclips. Am learning a bunch from you. I have been in the finish trades for over 30 years. 😁
I was a custom cabinet maker/millworker for over 30 years. A lot of my kitchens, libraries, built ins, architectural millwork etc. are in multi million dollar homes a long the gold coast. It's laughable how many self proclaimed experts who are nothing more than rank amateurs at best are on youtube. Based on this one video, it's refreshing to see a guy who actually knows what he is talking about, the real deal. Nice work!
Couldn’t agree more!
Bob
England
Pro tip with the rounding of the shelf… I would’ve done the cleat, but probably would not have thought of doing the shelf… at least not on the first one…
Great job… (and the glue on the finger commet was savage)
Lol the sequence at the end let us know you’re one of us. 😂 the sigh of let’s go home
It’s not how you mess up it’s how you fix it that matters!!
Also love the spreader board!!
Love the wall spreading technique. Brilliant.
That trick with the "spreader" is going to work with me tomorrow, I'll be installing floating shelves.
MORNING OF A JOB - pure patience and enthusiasm
END OF A JOB - (your last moments in the video exactly)
i know too well your reaction, 15 years carpentry, 4 years stair building :)
I’ve got that same FSTOOL XL4000 blade on my DeWalt as well. It has really made things consistent. Thank you so much for the videos! The bit at the end where you forgot the rod in that last shelf… I literally said, “thank goodness… It’s not just me!“. You totally didn’t have to add that in but I’m glad you did.
This is one of the best instructional videos I have seen. Very well done.
I'd like to see how you caulk the shelves.
I want to say that this video was the most informative and educational video that I’ve watched so far!! Thank you for sharing your knowledge❤!!
As someone who's slowing becoming interesting in furniture making, i really enjoyed this video. Thank you Lewis
dude I've been watching a lot of your older videos lately and when the new ones drop I'm always blown away by how far your video making skills have come, legit on the level of your carpentry skills. To be so dialed on two different things.... damn bro!!! as always super helpful info, I always learn things that don't even have to do specifically with what your accomplishing in each video, thank you
Love your work and the way you show us how to do a professional job. As a DIY'er I've learned so much from your videos I can't thank you enough. Also loved the way you spread the wall just a bit to get the shelves to slide in, I never would have thought of that.
That was a good idea DIY wall spreader! Lol
THAT'S what that random board was for! I was confused, LOL So smart!
I appreciate you not only sharing your immense experience with us, but all the difficult moments you run into as well that so many of us DIY'rs can relate to. So many videos on here show near perfect execution from start to finish and it can be a little disheartening to us dimwits.
You are now watching a master at work!
Absolutely beautiful work, thanks. I have to add one thing here. My then 94 year old German carpenter friend built me shelves for my broom closet turned pantry. When he was done I asked him why he didn't make all the shelves equidistant. He said, when are you going to store things in there that are all the same size? Just something to consider and in memory or my old buddy Louie.
First time viewer and WOW! So impressed……….
Learnt more than any other channel in a single video!
Thanks
Bob
England
I've had that stair tread jig sitting in my garage utility closet for about 2 years now. I'm excited to be able to dust it off and have another use for it.
The wood board trick on the top shelf...👌 10:40
nice to watch someone who knows what they're doing, great instruction too!
Absolute genius and professional. Thank you for choosing to spend the time on such a great video to help others. Cheers
So many great tips..thanks for sharing Spencer..when I do floating shelves I make them 3” thick & miter fold them..then I make a 4 sided frame 1 1/2” thick to fit the inside of the shelf( I’ll make the frame about 1/4 short of the depth to account if I scribe to the back wall..with stretchers every 12” to make a “ chicken ladder” or a sturdy frame..but I find if I have to slide the shelf in a drywall outside corner the front of the shelf is shorter than the back because of corner bead.. so instead of trying to custom fit & damage drywall I just cut my shelves 1/2” short ,slide them in & nail off into frame on sides close to edge & back ..then mill some scribe 3/4 x 3/8 & trim the sides of shelves to hide gaps but it also makes a nice detail..just my experience but love this channel
Excellent video, 2nd best thing you are not cutting the tough times. As for the best part is the PL on your finger
Man, every video is truly a master class. Invaluable channel. 💪
I just ordered a set of the stair gauges. Thank you for making my shelf install on some way out of square walls possible!
Best RUclips channel of finish carpentry
I mean good people are hard to find but seems like you would be a good teacher
Great, great commentary-so clear communication.
Dude I’m just remodeling my own house, I don’t do carpentry for a live and I love all of your top! Awesome!
Love how you "spread" the walls apart to have a super tight joint.
I use a twist rod. Works mint.
I like how your technique changed a little with each shelf as you learned along the way. Love your content.
Best carpenter in the biz and awesome informative tips. Keep up the vids and excellent work .
I make mistakes like that all the time when tired and hungry. Thanks for not cutting it out of the video.
..forgot the rod.. ahhh, ,, we've all been there madman. very cool, great work. Ya gotta love building things, that's why we're all in it!
Like always at this channel , nice Pro tips, super explanation and a lot of useful information. Even problem soften without strange cut off the video.
Thank You 🙏🏻 All best and good luck with another project. Regards from Raf, Polish contractor in Amsterdam (NL)
Man, I find your videos very informative. Very awesome of you to take the time out of your productivity, to share you knowledge. Thanks a lot man
what a perfectionist! I loved how precise he is.
Spencer - your videos are getting really good. This one was so helpful... Thanks for all the help & inspiration. Never thought of using the stair tread gauge for alcove shelving. Always been frustrated with my previous efforts.
Never a good idea to forget the “rod” SL …
I noticed the back bevel on the top/bottoms, great detail of box out with ribbon shelf building? needing a scribe cut/fit allowing the least amount of material to remove. I love working with tight tolerances to avoid extra scrap/clean-up trying to eliminate non-production chores is a must.
Love the stretcher too! Great job/vid bud..
I do the exact same thing using the stair gauges but I will steal your hack on using the 3/4-in threaded rod. That's a great trick. I work on primarily remodels so the walls are far less than perfect and usually in the situation like you have the front is the narrowest measurement which means you can never slide it in as a pre-assembled unit. To get around this I cut a top and a bottom piece scribed perfectly to the walls then I installed a spacer in the front so the opening is uniform across the shelves and then biscuit and glue a front edge on.
I love so much a woodworker who does a clean and neat job, and you're one of my favorite person. Thanks so much to share your tips and tricks with us. 👌👌👍👍
Not skeered to show yer human. Love it. Always very well made videos, superb technique and excellent instruction.
Looking back on working thru that , you become more capable thru it, mostly it’s your perceived reaction to other peoples opinions that stings the most, so control your reaction to the problem and fix it, that’s what you did. ( very good job ).
Love the plank walls too
Stair tread gauges are a great idea, just hope your back wall is flat and 90° to the end walls. Any hump in the back wall will throw the gauge reading off. Just speaking from experience. Good video, as usual👍
You would then scribe the back. Pain in the neck but that's what you must deal with.
You're right about the back wall being flat, but the corners don't need to be 90°. The shelf gauge gives you both those angles, plus the relative position of the back corners.
You get the realative angles to the back wall with the stair gauge. What is not covered, and what I have seen is bowed back walls.
What I try to talk my clients into is inserting a shelf I build nice and square with dado cuts to support then trim the front to make them look floating. Otherwise I just caution them about this possibility.
I have also cut the board into the drywall on back a few times when there is a bow. Attach my back bracket to the studs and the shelf fits on the bracket inside the drywall pocket, so no gap showing to reveal to bow. A little caulk cleans up the line.
Good video
Tell ya what spencer I would not like to be the guy who had to get them shelves off in the future 🙈
Brilliant install pal . Very very clever guy 👍
Great job your videos are excellent . I’m so impressed as a young man like you have developed skill sets in such a short time
Awesome video! I've got 8 to do in a customers house next month and wasn't sure how to do the template for the walls. That tool is going on my shopping list!
Excellent video, thanks Spencer for everything, and for collecting a wonderful community of talent and willingness to comment additions and ideas!
Love the encouragement and enthusiasm at end of video 😂. Great video, thank you.
So awesome, thank you very, very much for creating these and narrating so well. Really inspirational.
Thank you!! specially the hard time with the not paralled side walls!!
You will never run out of work. Great video man. I picked up a few things for sure👍
Genius. Love the wall spreader.
A trick I learned a couple years ago for tight fits like this is rub wax on the ends of the material you are sliding in. Helps protect the walls and makes material slide easier.
Just spread the wall with a board like he did and there's no need
Painters will love that, nothing like painting wax 😂
@@michaelmaas5544 Kick it down the line, like everyone does before us
I'll try that. I just struggled with an install on an alcove like this where the walls were trapezoidal, pinching towards the opening, 5/8" tighter in front than back. I use the wall spreading technique, but on finished walls I dislike it. I ended up cracking the corner bead of the drywall loose and of course paid for the repair. Would have been much easier to clean up the wax!
@@alphaclean3364 true story bruv 🤣🤣
Insider Carpentry for president 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Nice video. Like the tip where u used the board to spread the walls a tiny bit 💪🏻👍🏻
Excellent work Spence! Those bays need to be very square or if not, opening outwardly if not, these types of installs would be next to impossible.
Man those stair tread gauges are a great idea!!
This is right up my ally, I put in at least a dozen of these per month.
I’ve tried the threaded rod method before, but found just using 1” maple dowel. And I get the dowel perfectly level by using a 18” long wood owl bit with a laser level shining down the side while I drill.
A little shot of silicone in there and it’ll never come out.
And if you still need some micro adjusting, I make some 3/16 wide hardwood shims into the dowel hole.
I’ve done at least a few dozen like this 100% level. And with another shot of silicone on the dowel, the shelf won’t come off either. Or you can fire a 24g or 18g pin through the shelf into the dowel.
My favourite part about this method is that it’s solid enough to climb like a ladder and never become wobbly. And can still be wrestled apart without ruining the shelf or the wall.
Great tip with the long bit and the laser. I like to use the oversized hole and pl because it allows for some wiggle room to get things perfectly level.
@@InsiderCarpentry Ya, as a redundancy, the PL in the oversized hole Is a great idea.
For my applications it’s mostly for full floaters with no walls to cleat to on one side, or both sides.
Is it fine to leave 1/4" on each side of the stud as a result of drilling the 1" hole? Seems like you're taking out quite a bit at that point.
@@nadrojylloh yes, because if you’re 100% filling that hole back up extremely tight with a much harder wood that you’re also gluing in. You’re actually increasing the strength of that stud.
@@nadrojylloh What Kermit said and also if it isn’t a load bearing wall it will not hurt even if it did not make it stronger.
That was some good comedy when you forgot the boat I was laughing and laughing and you always do good don't be afraid of the mistakes on video
Real man, I put PL on my breakfast asbestos flakes every morning. Hoorah
Thank you for showing pro tips in detail.
Thank you for showing these tips, I am hoping to do a job similar to this in the new year
Legit 🍻 props for not cutting out the mistake
Outstanding work always ... incredible work always great vid Spencer
Great video as usual from you, lots of good tips. I love the way you can slide the the shelves in, but I had no such luck with side walls. The corners cannot be square by our North American design using drywall. The corner beads get mudded and by design will bulge out on both corners, inside and out. That’s why they cannot be square and the front is narrower than the middle then even more narrower in the back, maybe, depends on drywaller! Haven’t found a square wall yet. Kitchen installers know this and usually use fillers at the ends to square up cabinets.
Such an excellent bit of insight and instruction
Thanks very much for taking all the time
🙏🙏🙏
Another outstanding video, I have learnt so much from your videos mate, cheers.
Not afraid to get PL on my finger, but I am afraid to get it on stain grade plywood. I work from the top down in case of any oozing PL. Great video as always.
👍 I hit these with the sander after install to ensure that any smudges were sanded off.
Hey, you got the wall stretcher! Been looking all over for that.
Lots of excellent tips and tricks here, amazing looking shelves.
Nice work, lots of good tips. Very reassuring to see experts make some mistakes or have things not go exactly to plan.
Awesome technique. Thanks Spencer.
I love you're work Lewis 👍I learn a lot from you thank you for your knowledge and tips
hi Spencer, thanks for the insightful video ! I am wondering what kind of plywood did you use to make the shelf. I thought I heard you said 'stain grade' ? Did you need to laminate a wood veneer on the plywood? Thanks
100% GOLD! Thanks for sharing Spencer. 👽
good job. glade someone can do the perfect shelf for the client.
😆 Hell Yeah "uugghhhh" You'll sleep like a baby after that!!! Awesome job and great craftsmanship as always!!! Keep it up!!! 🔥🔥
Running your finger over that freshly cut edge like you did… that’s confidence in a clean cut. Nicely done.
Great video. I found it to be easy to understand much better
Hey man thx for sharing also thx for sharing the threaded rod at the end cheers
Lots of great pointers. Thank you!
EXCELLENT VIDEO
Thank you for sharing this
Inspirational. Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Great videos ! I have been enjoying seeing some of these techniques. thanks !
Thank you for your time and video master !
Saludos desde el sur de México Gracias!!
De nada!
Great video good tips 👍 everything makes sense! Shelf installation I would start from the top , in that way you don’t have to lean over installed ones.