Yeah i live in Serbia, very close to Romania and we have similar road conditions, sometimes even worse if you have to drive on older village roads. Not sure about testing, but we sure have a lot of rusty Mk4, Mk5 and Mk6 golfs and B5 and B6 passats
The conditions might be equivalent to 12 years, but it takes rust a while to really settle and spread. Not sure if you can condense 12 years of this process to just 6 months.
It doesn't actually matter with modern cars, rust is barely worth thinking about. They all use a modern zinc coating which is applied to a fully assembled frame at this point so to get any worrying rust there has to be frame damage.
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@@UhOhUmmGalvanized car bodies have been a thing for decades now, yet as I'm writing this, rust is munching it's way though 15 year old VW Golf sills so you can almost hear it... It's a surprisingly common misconception that galvanizing solves all car rust issues. If people only knew pretty much all the old rusty cars they see are actually made of galvanized steel...
@ decades ago panels we're coated separately or in selective areas, full body coating before painting is not a that old, if we take the Golf for example only from Golf 5 did they start full body plating. Of course it doesn't prevent rust completely, with a lot of paint damage the coating itself will not protect it for long.
Had one for more than 10 years in my family and it had just a few spots of rust around the license plate lights in the rear, now I have a B7 and it's completely rust free.
As someone working in metal surface protection in automotive industry. I must say they really do have high and precise standards. We often have to test their parts in salt chambers (emulates corrosion) for a long time. Automotive industry has one of the highest standards in the world
These "stress tests" are just every day conditions where i'm from in northern Sweden. My 2009 passat is rusted to all hell in the wheel wells and the trunk.
@@fortheloveofnoise that's awesome, I live in the "middle north" part, I met an American that moved out here 5 years ago and he said the only complaint was the taxes haha. May I ask, why Sweden of all places?
I think they don't galvanize their cars any more, the Golf 4 didn't have such problems. But that's the case for all German manufacturers, this cars are today only built for the typical leasing period.
So true also had a completely rotten 2007 Passat at 6 years old. Meanwhile my 2000 opel astra g has tiny rust on the rear arch's and 2007 Citroen C4 looks surprisingly like new underneath.
I can say as someone who lives in Ohio where they salt a lot in the winter because of lake effect, when I've been to one of the local junkyards I've noticed a lot of older early 2000s VWs with very little rust, yet some slightly newer are rusted pretty bad. The only different I kept seeing is the ones with little or almost no rust on the body were made in Germany while the ones with easily noticeable rot on the body where made in other places like Mexico.
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The late 90's and early 2000's VW's (like Golf IV) are not bad. But mid 2000's and on (like Golf V) are a lot worse...
yep as with all german cars..soon as the warranty is up it'll start rusting and falling to pieces. i see these vw's daily full of rust...these twats still buy them though..i wouldn't have a vw audi or merc if you gave me it for free
@@isaachunt5799 These german will answer to you : that's customer's fault! In every areas they're doing that. Verdammt' Kunde! Nein nein nein, der Kunde musst bezahlen! Wie alt ist den Fahrzeug??... Nur 3 Jahren? Hmmm Wolfgang was hast du gemacht?!... Not even 100000km the turbo from 1.4 TSI dead. I'd rather to take a dacia now than buying recent VAG products. At you're not disappointed.
@@isaachunt5799 you do know that VW are one the best car engineering companies in the world? These cars are built to last. I still own a mk5 with 160k miles
Looks like a very easy test. As mentioned, for some countries these conditions are found in a daily commute. If you want reliable results, test it like this for 3 years every single day.
That's literally what Toyota does. They simply buy back cars that have been pushed to the extreme by its owners and that still run. This accelerated testing doesn't really account for actual wear and tear and damage caused by deteriorated parts that happens over the course of say 10 years of ownership.
that's helpful but only as an aid to accelerated testing. they can't just make some changes and hope for the best. the new cars can be tested, and some information can be gathered from old cars. but waiting 10 years simply isn't quick enough to make good changes.
I'm German, but ... VW cars + many from its VAG group are getting more and more expensive, VW / AUDI has become very arrogant, the production is getting cheaper and cheaper. Some of the customers are test drivers, manufacturing defects, and the following repair costs, which the customers very often have to pay for themselves. Did they have to work properly at VW for the video? Did they test the Golf 7 like the golf 8 ? The funny thing is that the Golf 7 has very big problems with water in the interior. - Loudspeakers seal the doors until they start to leak and water leaks into the interior. - Condensation from the air conditioning in the interior, ..... Since the Golf 4 is no longer fully galvanized, suddenly rust on the roof, etc. Unfortunately, the cars are no longer built to last ...
Have 2 Golfs... 1990 Mk2, that we have for 17 years, 10 of them was all year usage on Eastern European roads (gravel, forest, mud, salt, snow, destroyed asphalt), and only now, there are some issues with corrosion (only where paint chipped or erased). 2007 mk5, bought in 2018, before was driving in Frankfurt-Main region, it was almost in mint condition. Now, all underneath is pealing off and rusting, especially where spot welds are. Car is accident free, original paint all around. Thin, water based paints and cold zinc coating is a mistake.
So that's why the bonnet of my MK7 is full of chips. They tested for it (1:38) and they went with such thin paint nonetheless... Also the rust starting to form along the wheel arches shows they did a really good job at protecting it even it they know it and tested it (1:53)
@@MrWotan109 it's much better. Then the mk4. It corners better, handles better. More space in the car. Also it's cheaper to maintain then the mk4. I never considered mk4 an option to buy, after i drove one. mk5 is nothing like the mk4. Much better car if you take care of it.
well u wont even hear a noise inside a new car. they must test these cars after 4-5 years. so its pointless. i live in rome, the roads here are the worse, had my golf 6 2 years ago, no noise at all, just after a year and every part of the car is making noises. so it depends on road conditions.
@@jackshotton9222 that dont mean a thing. a real world condition is taking out the car on normal roads and test it.what manufacturers say sometimes dont really add up.
I have golf gti mk7 with 400,000KM and had two issues ! Once with car’s computer system but covered by the warranty around 40000km as I remember and just recently I had a problem with the gear and I would say I’m very satisfy with the car . Now with COVID-19 I think it will stay longer than planned!
@@serbanmirica8120 zavisi gdje se vozi. GTI koji je vožen po Njemačkoj autocesti većinu svog života nije isti kao GTI koji se vozi po balkanskim cestama.
@@Mikescze Lots of cars from that era can be rusty.. especially if you don’t clean the areas where debris accumulate round fenders, wheel arches etc that often or never. I live in the Netherlands. I know it’s not Scandinavia or Russia or something 😉 but still we’ve got here almost every year salty roads.. but yeah Mk4 have some little weak points like; bottom of the front wheel arches near the skirts. Beneath the rear window on the trunk cause of use of wrong window sealing kit. Some Audi’s round those years had the same issue.
The only thing they probably test is if they start rusting within the first 2 years of warranty (the rest of the car is also designed with this goal, and this is not only the case at VW).
You should see quite a lot of Mk5 Golfs where I live in the mild weathered southern UK. There is plenty of rust on the front wings particularly at the top of the wheel arch, sills, rear wheel arches and door bottoms. Japanese and Korean cars of the same age generally appear rust free. I guess this is VW doing their own PR !
@@bigvinny333 Right, but due to it's shoddy build quality the Mk5 Golf is a disgrace to the previous ones anyways. The Mk4 was the last good one. It peaked with the Mk2 - very durable, easy to repair, no major issues with rust (and we're talking about a 30+ years old car here) and in my opinion very good looking also. 😎
Mk5 Golf and mk6 Golf: Inner wheel arches where leaves and debris collect, and rear wheel arches at the front part where the fabric liner goes behind the plastic guard. (Top of front wheel arch mk5 specifically)
I’ve got a 2000 Golf Mk4 and besides some minor little bubbles on the bottom of the front wheel arches just above the side skirt, totally rust free! Most people don’t clean their wheel arches, bottom of the doors or what ever little ‘weak spots’ properly that often or never. Some cars and brands are more vulnerable for it ofcourse. But taking care of it is mostly the key factor.. 😏
@@klavier285 it is actualy on every Golf in the last 10years. I had to remove the "sponge" material under the front right and left fender which was soaking the water, rotting and then causing the rocker panels to get rusty.
After the test is complete, I want the engineers to try to remove the pinch bolt holding the upper control arms in place. It's nearly impossible without drilling it out.
plenty of heat, put the nut back on the thread half way and hammer the shit out of it, took me almost an hour of heating and hitting to get it to move, putting it back together just cover it in copper anti seize
The MK 8 does not have an upper strut, it has the same Frontaxle vw used on the 1973er Super Beetle , Mc Pherson. No doublewishbone, that's to expensive for a cheap Golf.
@@Synonym_MS Only outer shell on Trabant was made from mixture of fenol resin and wool fibers. Chassis and floor was made from metal. Its dangerous, because it looks good until something important fails because if you cant see rust you think is OK. On metal body cars - unimportant body panels rusts through first before some important parts fails.
Only ever had rust problems with the passat b6 in my family. My old golf 4 is still being driven rust-free by a family member. Passat b5s are still very much rust free driven in poland and all around eastern europe. The only problems we ever faced where their turbocharged gasoline engines.
@ Galvanised steel is just steel with a galvanising coating. You do know what that means? The galvanising is literally designed to rust. It oxidises slower and so protects the steel underneath for longer but it's main funcition is to rust.
@@hagglundguy Rust or no, the new cars are generally made to last designed amount of years so that eventually (hopefully sooner) you would replace it with a new one. and thick undercoating would probably take care of the rust protblem for years but even brand new Jaguars comes with just a paint protecting the metal under the car.
@@InBoostWeTrust7MGTE I knew all of that already except for the fact Jaguars don't come with undercoating. I live in Finland where cars tend to rust really fast due to salt and changing conditions. I just corrected @Dogs_Bollocks on the fact that galvanising is designed to rust.
They do these test and the are like: "Yes, this is rust". And then they do nothing to stop this rust from appearing. Of course they also take notes of everything and then throw them into the trash bin because they clearly don't remember any of them when they start working on their next car.
I think so, the Golf 5 for example is rusting very fast, also the T5. They know how to get a good corrosion protection, the Golf 4 didn't have this problems. The same with Mercedes, they rusted from the early ninetees on (when they switched to water based coating) until the mid 2000s.
all this testing for my VW to collect water in the rear passenger side door and spew out about half a pint of water when I open the door! if not it seeps into the rear passenger side foot-well.. Good job lads!
2008 Tiguan here, front wings, perfect but have a small patch developing on the A post and micro blisters on the doors and tailgate. Getting corrosion underneath now as well.
Hmm. That "extreme road surface" is like sine wave. Real road surfaces are more like triangle or saw shape (for example potholes and patches on patches), and never symmetrical. Like caress vs hits. Just test on the hungarian "road 52" at the maximum allowed speed.
@Albinoid Maggot they stopped to galvanize their cars (like the Golf 4 was). Golf 5s usually have big problems with corrosion, with rust holes in the sheet metal after less than 10 years.
I'd like to think this is what they actually do, but I get the feeling they don't do this much at all to test for rust - this is just a nice short movie that give s the impression that they are really thorough.. I could be wrong and that would be lovely.
Not working. I live in Sweden and went to VW dealership. Both side bars are rust away and did not pass inspection. They say it is your fault. Not covered. So here you go. Golf 2008. Checked 2018.
It’s fascinating how high standards they have for all those tests. Although, both VW I have, 2011 Scirocco and 2020 Caddy suffer from rust from pain chips. But that’s the price you pay for using the cars daily, in Eastern Europe😂
Or the water pump in the golfs. Something so simple, but looks like they want some issues on every car but only to appear after the warranty has ended 😂
If you're listening VW, the car-coloured parts of the car generally hold up reasonably well unless chipped. Sadly, there are plenty of forward creases and areas on VWs that are prone to chipping but moving on. The parts that fail prematurely are either the subframes, which have vastly inferior coatings to topside finishes (and compared to old IMO) or the underneath or void spaces that often have sound deadening material added. These tend to trap and hold moisture that defeats the good quality coatings you apply. Doh! In recent years I think the subframe finishes have got much poorer and the void space and sound deadening materials have become more extensive. This challenges the body-coloured paints and finishes even more. Double Doh!
LOL. When i rent à golf 7 in Munich , the car was 1 year. i saw some screws with big corrosion. Please improve your tests...or use the elementary rules of conception
Meanwhile my 2015 Audi A3 leaks large amounts of water near the rear passenger grab handles any time it rains heavily - most likely via the sunroof. The Audi dealer was unable to fix the issue.
your 12 years ''guarantee'' is worthless , I took my 8 years old passat to dealer because of few corrosion spots and the told me that is my fault, the car is accident free. My suggestion for your engieneres is to focus how to fix oil consumsion in your TSI engines, my got 156000km since new and it's burning 2l oil / 1000km, I will never buy VW again...
@@bendude6748 thay told me that is no point to check this ( I have 2 small spot of rust in side or car near window) because in 99 of 100 cases is customer fault, they check every point under microscope and there is always microhole in paint which caused corrosion, which of course warranty not covering
When I bought my Mk7 back in 2015, I got a 12 years warranty against rust. Right now, feb. 2024, I got approved by Volks for rust/paint repair. It took them 5 days to get rid of it. I wonder if VW still offer this 12 years warranty ? If you drive your 15-20000 km/year, most cars in Canada WILL have rust somewhere, especialy Ford brand.
The best ever corrosion protected VW I had was Golf 1, then 2... Then Golf 3 was drama (cost out?). Then I had Passat B5FL - perfect anticorrosion protection... So I bought Passat B6 at 2010... In 2016 it get 1st rust... I sold it this year full of rust - it was looking like 30y old car... I trusted VW last time and bought passat B8... They promissed me no more rust like at B6... We will see...
@Bizcar Pro i know some moroccans who lived in belgium whenever they go into a pothole they start cursing the homeland and praising belgium for great roads. One guy once said that roads in belgium are like a carpets.
If they are tested, why do some of them still corrode that bad (like the Golf 5 or the T 5, while they had no problems at all with the Golf 4) ? The same with Merc.
Unfortunately the 2006-2015 have big problems with rust and at Passat 2017 that I use 2 years ago I have problems with rust and with paint quality the paint chips so easily😢😢😢 At Skoda I don't have this problems
No, it isn't good, many cars after the Golf 4 (which was probably galvanized) started rusting very fast, the Golf 5 for example. They only test to get sure it don't start within the warranty period
Some years don’t get the full galvanising treatment my VW T5 rusted on the body and the subframes any chip turned to rust. My Vivaro any chip does not rust.
Trying to reproduce different climate in laboratory, it’s okay for some hours but the best and realistic test conditions are to put these cars in Nordic country for snow and on a tropical island. For example, the salty corrosion is the worst in Reunion island 🏝
Je ne pense pas qu’ici ça soit pire que quelque part d’autre comme l’Irlande par exemple ou les routes sont salées, et le temps humide 90% de l’année. Ici ça serais plutôt la chaleur et les UV. C’est un climat idéal pour tester la résistance des plastiques, des peintures etc je vois beaucoup de Renault et Peugeot qui ont moins de 10ans avec des peintures ou le vernis est parti et des plastique ternis par le soleil
@@tomluca2697 Engineers aren’t dumb but the VW executives could be... You’ve already forget the diesel gate. It’s just a call to try their cars in Reunion island: we have a abrasive road near a volcano with tropical or dry season 😊
I like this. Bravo. Not all cars manufactures take the corosion serious...and you can se or own a car that in 4-5 years is a disaster 😭 I wish you all a nice day
Man considering my experience dealing with warranty claims with VW there's not a snow balls chance in hell I'd trust their 12 year corrosion guarantee.
@@BrateTebra123 Common sense really, because a human makes the decision whether to test or not, and as we already know all too well - humans can't be trusted - they lie, steal, deceive, etc etc etc. And, because it costs money, and no manufacturer likes to spend money. Have you ever seen a manufacturer taking responsibility for something they've done wrong?
@Beluga.. Tell me about it !... I had bad corrosion on my 1999 E39 540i back in 2013, It was so bad that the rear jacking points just collapsed whist I was changing tires ! - Sorry you've got the same corrosion problem on your E87 :(
@Beluga.. How did you manage? They're generally super good for rust. I'm in Norway where EVERYTHING rusts, even plastic yet the first gen 1-series doesn't, same with the 2nd gen.
Y'all ever seen what it's like in Alberta Canada, on a different note what happened to the Mark 4 5 and 6 Jettas and golfs dirt sand salt it all ends up packed up behind the front fenders and in the rockers causing them to rot out due to it being the main drainage point
I swear by VW's rust prevention. My 2007 GTI has 220,000 miles and has been on the road every year since new during rough Michigan winters and doesn't have a single spot of rust on the chassis besides the suspension arms and other suspension parts.
The long answer you didn't expected is: victim mentality. Mentally weak people will often feel *special* or *entitled* for benefits if they prove that they're some kind of a victim. That's a heritage of communism that we now have many extremely dumb ideologies praising victimhood. Common people subconsciously mimic behaviours that are beneficial. But we also know at least one whole nation of people who put themselves as the victims of great evil and it's their agenda that's centuries old. They also do it for profit, but they do it purposefully and consciously.
pos cars dude..depretiation and rust like hell. i see a 2011 passat the other day with more rust than metal..the moron that bought that junk has lost 50k in just 9 years lol..BUY A TOYOTA FFS
They worked hard to recreate ordinary Moscow conditions.
🤣
México is even worst 🤪
@@aldoguzzi4663 Really? Do you have much snow? )
@@realtimecartravel No, Potholes to die
@@aldoguzzi4663 Lol
6 months of "extreme" stress testing for what we would describe as a normal day on Romanian roads. Others can relate also, I'm sure of that.
Yeah i live in Serbia, very close to Romania and we have similar road conditions, sometimes even worse if you have to drive on older village roads.
Not sure about testing, but we sure have a lot of rusty Mk4, Mk5 and Mk6 golfs and B5 and B6 passats
Same in Bulgaria.
like UK roads more like.
Same in Hungary.
Bolivia too
1 day in Romania = 12 years VW corrosion test
@ You have to drive through Romania and you will see 😂
vand golf 4
Try driving in Norway where we salt our roads during the winters 😂 Even a 2-3 year old VW starts showing sign of rust 🤣
@@Sander00 Salt will rust almost any car tho tbh. No German car is immune to corrosion
@, compared to other car brands, VW is among the worst when it comes to rust.
The conditions might be equivalent to 12 years, but it takes rust a while to really settle and spread. Not sure if you can condense 12 years of this process to just 6 months.
It doesn't actually matter with modern cars, rust is barely worth thinking about. They all use a modern zinc coating which is applied to a fully assembled frame at this point so to get any worrying rust there has to be frame damage.
@@UhOhUmmGalvanized car bodies have been a thing for decades now, yet as I'm writing this, rust is munching it's way though 15 year old VW Golf sills so you can almost hear it...
It's a surprisingly common misconception that galvanizing solves all car rust issues. If people only knew pretty much all the old rusty cars they see are actually made of galvanized steel...
@@UhOhUmm clearly you don't live in the northeast us or anywhere that uses calcium chloride road salts
@ decades ago panels we're coated separately or in selective areas, full body coating before painting is not a that old, if we take the Golf for example only from Golf 5 did they start full body plating. Of course it doesn't prevent rust completely, with a lot of paint damage the coating itself will not protect it for long.
And why would they want you to keep the car for 12 years?
The Passat B6 clearly got lost on it's way to said testing .....
Had one for more than 10 years in my family and it had just a few spots of rust around the license plate lights in the rear, now I have a B7 and it's completely rust free.
@@serbanmirica8120 Not for long
Maid001 My B7 is an absolute nightmare with rust.
Yeah b6 have really big rust problems un my contry😅
And the mk4 golf
(Extreme tests)
People who don’t live in Western Europe:
*Laughs in everyday driving conditions *
The streets are the same in many parts of Germany because no one is taking care of them hahah
@@AA-777-AA Come on. I wish I had the streets that aren't cared in Germany on my country. Probably even the worst looks better than some in the Est.
@@overPowerPenguin Well I made a road trip trough 7 Eastern European countrys and the streets in a bad shape were pretty much the same for me
Ahaha let me present you Belgium my good friend ;)
The trick is that they used a new Golf for each scene. lol
Busted 😅
This!
As someone working in metal surface protection in automotive industry. I must say they really do have high and precise standards. We often have to test their parts in salt chambers (emulates corrosion) for a long time. Automotive industry has one of the highest standards in the world
then whic one audi 3 sportback or golf 8?
Why are VWs usually rusting more than competitors like Toyota?
@@jimj2683they're about the same. Only Volvo could be considered an outlier in the industry.
@@jimj2683 maybe because the owners dont take care of them properly
@@jimj2683where? Where do you see this? Maybe a 15 year old vw compared to a 1 year old toyota? I use to work for both
The most British sounding German ever.
and simultaneously inaudible, so strange
@@dennisreilly6012 He sounds like he is trying to make himself sound more sophisticated than he is.
He even said autumn instead of fall
Sounds constipated...
Lool
These "stress tests" are just every day conditions where i'm from in northern Sweden. My 2009 passat is rusted to all hell in the wheel wells and the trunk.
@@NSDflug Yeah, my friend got a 2013 and it started rusting after just a few months, at least the dealer payed to fix it.
Eventually I will be moving to Sweden from the U.S....(most likely in the far north).
@@fortheloveofnoise that's awesome, I live in the "middle north" part, I met an American that moved out here 5 years ago and he said the only complaint was the taxes haha.
May I ask, why Sweden of all places?
I think they don't galvanize their cars any more, the Golf 4 didn't have such problems.
But that's the case for all German manufacturers, this cars are today only built for the typical leasing period.
So true also had a completely rotten 2007 Passat at 6 years old. Meanwhile my 2000 opel astra g has tiny rust on the rear arch's and 2007 Citroen C4 looks surprisingly like new underneath.
I can say as someone who lives in Ohio where they salt a lot in the winter because of lake effect, when I've been to one of the local junkyards I've noticed a lot of older early 2000s VWs with very little rust, yet some slightly newer are rusted pretty bad.
The only different I kept seeing is the ones with little or almost no rust on the body were made in Germany while the ones with easily noticeable rot on the body where made in other places like Mexico.
The late 90's and early 2000's VW's (like Golf IV) are not bad. But mid 2000's and on (like Golf V) are a lot worse...
Spray FluidFilm once per year in the fall on your undercarriage and you will not have rust.
That can be true, some factories don’t have the same experience. They also use weaker steel
@@Matys1975 Structural rust often starts from inside the cavities, so you'll have to be thorough with Fluidfilm of whatever you use.
Very right. Even in Europe. Car made for Central Europe has different treatment against rust compared to Southern Europe or Scandinavia.
craigslist be like:
mint condition, Lady driven, garage kept, never driven hard. only 6 month old.
RUclips comments be like:
Non stolen joke, never seen before, completely original, not overused, 3 years old
@@TristanSilverwood Doesn't make it less valid. He forgot to add "driven only to church on Sunday's".
@@FVBmovies And what about "No low-ball offers, I know what I have"? That's a cult classic.
"That car was perfectly seasoned." - Gordon Ramsay
Season the camera
*After rust protection*
Nobody:
VW: Das Rust.
@Philipp Weidner ich glaub das hätte ein Scherz sein sollen
Tested to last through warranty periods :)
yep as with all german cars..soon as the warranty is up it'll start rusting and falling to pieces.
i see these vw's daily full of rust...these twats still buy them though..i wouldn't have a vw audi or merc if you gave me it for free
@@isaachunt5799 These german will answer to you : that's customer's fault! In every areas they're doing that. Verdammt' Kunde! Nein nein nein, der Kunde musst bezahlen! Wie alt ist den Fahrzeug??... Nur 3 Jahren? Hmmm Wolfgang was hast du gemacht?!...
Not even 100000km the turbo from 1.4 TSI dead.
I'd rather to take a dacia now than buying recent VAG products. At you're not disappointed.
@@nikko1984 pos junk cars.
would never ever buy one..
@@isaachunt5799 you do know that VW are one the best car engineering companies in the world? These cars are built to last. I still own a mk5 with 160k miles
@@benjibailey lol yeah right
my bosses passat rusted away in 8 years flat. he crapped it last year.
these junk cars fall to pieces.
Looks like a very easy test. As mentioned, for some countries these conditions are found in a daily commute.
If you want reliable results, test it like this for 3 years every single day.
the car has to be on the market, they don't have 3 years...
yeah but they literally drive it for 6 months straight and like they said it’s equivalent to 12 years
Well if u want to wait 12 years to have the car with pay it...@@jackpez
that wheel spin transition was perfect
just buy back high millage 10 year+ old cars that were driven in bad conditions and improve from there. That would save you so much "testing" time.
That's literally what Toyota does. They simply buy back cars that have been pushed to the extreme by its owners and that still run. This accelerated testing doesn't really account for actual wear and tear and damage caused by deteriorated parts that happens over the course of say 10 years of ownership.
@@arunmfive I believe this "testing" is just for the marketing..
And how would they test new cars?! They have to start these tests even before launching the vehicle
So you are saying that new cars don't need tests? I can't believe how stupid you are.
that's helpful but only as an aid to accelerated testing. they can't just make some changes and hope for the best. the new cars can be tested, and some information can be gathered from old cars. but waiting 10 years simply isn't quick enough to make good changes.
This blue golf will end up in Eastern Europe car lot, “nana drove it to farmers market on Sundays only.”
Balkan?🥰
I'm German, but ... VW cars + many from its VAG group are getting more and more expensive,
VW / AUDI has become very arrogant, the production is getting cheaper and cheaper.
Some of the customers are test drivers, manufacturing defects, and the following repair costs, which the customers very often have to pay for themselves.
Did they have to work properly at VW for the video?
Did they test the Golf 7 like the golf 8 ?
The funny thing is that the Golf 7 has very big problems with water in the interior.
- Loudspeakers seal the doors until they start to leak and water leaks into the interior.
- Condensation from the air conditioning in the interior, .....
Since the Golf 4 is no longer fully galvanized, suddenly rust on the roof, etc.
Unfortunately, the cars are no longer built to last ...
Sadly if you want a car without rust problems you will have to buy a French car. They have other problems but not rust related.
VW love their recalls which customers have to waste time to bring in their car to dealers.
@@Mr.Riffian French car? no thanks, i don't wanna became an electrician.
@@ALINUED :D
@@Mr.Riffian is that a joke? French cars are one of the worst for rust lol
Golf 4 here, 22 years in spain, between the Mountains and the sea, 0% rust.
Its awesome.
Have 2 Golfs... 1990 Mk2, that we have for 17 years, 10 of them was all year usage on Eastern European roads (gravel, forest, mud, salt, snow, destroyed asphalt), and only now, there are some issues with corrosion (only where paint chipped or erased). 2007 mk5, bought in 2018, before was driving in Frankfurt-Main region, it was almost in mint condition. Now, all underneath is pealing off and rusting, especially where spot welds are. Car is accident free, original paint all around. Thin, water based paints and cold zinc coating is a mistake.
So that's why the bonnet of my MK7 is full of chips. They tested for it (1:38) and they went with such thin paint nonetheless... Also the rust starting to form along the wheel arches shows they did a really good job at protecting it even it they know it and tested it (1:53)
Now show the TSI and DSG test.
The timing chain broke.
@@Elaba_ my 1.2 tsi just felt that
is it problematic ? im thinking of buying a used mk6 1.4 tsi 122hp with dsg
@@mouzz Do your research on Google. From what I have heard they have improved the engines recently by using a timing belt.
@@mouzz not all really bad.... But if you ask me, i should not by 1.4 fsi/tsi private.
This Golf having its last heavenly days before its Turkey experience
I heard Erdogan loves making roads and bridges
@@oliverthefookinqueen4221 kulakların cok iyi duyuyor demek ki.
@@gothips 😘😘
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Golf Mk5 and Touran Never Heard of it
My golf 5 had a lot of rust
i own a golf 5 2004 production , there is only a couple of rust spots. No real big issues.
Cause the real engineers died with the mk5
@@MrWotan109 it's much better. Then the mk4. It corners better, handles better.
More space in the car. Also it's cheaper to maintain then the mk4. I never considered mk4 an option to buy, after i drove one. mk5 is nothing like the mk4. Much better car if you take care of it.
@@mcniki12 what engine do you have ? That 1.9 tdi maybe? Because as up now, it's the only one who few of them survived on the roads..
well u wont even hear a noise inside a new car. they must test these cars after 4-5 years. so its pointless. i live in rome, the roads here are the worse, had my golf 6 2
years ago, no noise at all, just after a year and every part of the car is making noises. so it depends on road conditions.
Did you not watch it? It says the stresses endured are equivalent to 12 years worth of road driving.
They test the cars after months (not years, which would equate to probably ~100 years of testing :D) of accelerated testing...
@@jackshotton9222 that dont mean a thing. a real world condition is taking out the car on normal roads and test it.what manufacturers say sometimes dont really add up.
I live in Rome too, and my car also make noise noise and I have to change suspensions
Cars are build for roads asphalt roads. Not a 1000 year old horse path.
Carwow needs a test track like this.
I have golf gti mk7 with 400,000KM and had two issues ! Once with car’s computer system but covered by the warranty around 40000km as I remember and just recently I had a problem with the gear and I would say I’m very satisfy with the car . Now with COVID-19 I think it will stay longer than planned!
400k km on a GTI? WOW. I used to look at GTIs with less than 150k km on the market, but you changed my mind.
@@serbanmirica8120 zavisi gdje se vozi. GTI koji je vožen po Njemačkoj autocesti većinu svog života nije isti kao GTI koji se vozi po balkanskim cestama.
German roads I suppose..
400,000kms wtf? Photos of your cluster or your lying
@@ur2slob724 its belivable
My 2000 mk4 is still rust free and still going strong !
Mine too,no corosion.. mk4 coupe 2002..
you must have very low mileage or no salt on the roads in the winter. Mk4 golfs are usually very rusty where i am from
Because of the MK4 is the only galvanised unibody of all Golfs......
my 96 has some minor rust bubbles on the fender. and under the car like the brakes and stuff is very rusted.
@@Mikescze Lots of cars from that era can be rusty.. especially if you don’t clean the areas where debris accumulate round fenders, wheel arches etc that often or never. I live in the Netherlands. I know it’s not Scandinavia or Russia or something 😉 but still we’ve got here almost every year salty roads.. but yeah Mk4 have some little weak points like; bottom of the front wheel arches near the skirts. Beneath the rear window on the trunk cause of use of wrong window sealing kit. Some Audi’s round those years had the same issue.
VW proudly announcing : "How vw cars are tested against corrosion."
Me who's learned from experience: "They aren't..."
Just wait 10 years n 5 owners later who don't clean underneath arches in the shitty gaps you will have rust 🤣
Me to
The only thing they probably test is if they start rusting within the first 2 years of warranty (the rest of the car is also designed with this goal, and this is not only the case at VW).
You should see quite a lot of Mk5 Golfs where I live in the mild weathered southern UK. There is plenty of rust on the front wings particularly at the top of the wheel arch, sills, rear wheel arches and door bottoms. Japanese and Korean cars of the same age generally appear rust free. I guess this is VW doing their own PR !
@@bigvinny333 Right, but due to it's shoddy build quality the Mk5 Golf is a disgrace to the previous ones anyways. The Mk4 was the last good one. It peaked with the Mk2 - very durable, easy to repair, no major issues with rust (and we're talking about a 30+ years old car here) and in my opinion very good looking also. 😎
Mk5 Golf and mk6 Golf:
Inner wheel arches where leaves and debris collect, and rear wheel arches at the front part where the fabric liner goes behind the plastic guard.
(Top of front wheel arch mk5 specifically)
Also around door handles, trunks door and spoiler etc....vw never again
I’ve got a 2000 Golf Mk4 and besides some minor little bubbles on the bottom of the front wheel arches just above the side skirt, totally rust free! Most people don’t clean their wheel arches, bottom of the doors or what ever little ‘weak spots’ properly that often or never. Some cars and brands are more vulnerable for it ofcourse. But taking care of it is mostly the key factor.. 😏
and then u have every golf up to date that has corosion issues on front right and left fender lol
Guessing you mean the front wing/fender panels seeing as the bumpers are plastic lol
@JoneS SenoJ volvo sweden.
@JoneS SenoJ No VW trucks are even worse.
My mk5 had the rocker panels rusted, apparently very common on that gen.
@@klavier285 it is actualy on every Golf in the last 10years. I had to remove the "sponge" material under the front right and left fender which was soaking the water, rotting and then causing the rocker panels to get rusty.
After the test is complete, I want the engineers to try to remove the pinch bolt holding the upper control arms in place. It's nearly impossible without drilling it out.
That’s what’s putting me off doing the bushings on my 6 year old A5
plenty of heat, put the nut back on the thread half way and hammer the shit out of it, took me almost an hour of heating and hitting to get it to move, putting it back together just cover it in copper anti seize
The MK 8 does not have an upper strut, it has the same Frontaxle vw used on the 1973er Super Beetle , Mc Pherson.
No doublewishbone, that's to expensive for a cheap Golf.
The Golf is and forever will be, the best family hatchback.
Just make the whole car out of plastic
It won't rust
@@Synonym_MS Only outer shell on Trabant was made from mixture of fenol resin and wool fibers. Chassis and floor was made from metal. Its dangerous, because it looks good until something important fails because if you cant see rust you think is OK. On metal body cars - unimportant body panels rusts through first before some important parts fails.
If they make cars out of plastic, they would melt on the sun. Especially around the engine where its hot.
Saturns had plastic pannels. Chevy cobalts had a few as well. Plenty strong enough
@@edwinator46 are you sure about that
@@xxFobioxx no
The frame is identical to Golf 7. Why VW makes all these tests 😂 : you can just take a Golf 7 with high mileage from Romania
Plastic is fantastic. MQB chassis is maybe updating like a smartphone.
Maybe not 😉
Only ever had rust problems with the passat b6 in my family. My old golf 4 is still being driven rust-free by a family member. Passat b5s are still very much rust free driven in poland and all around eastern europe. The only problems we ever faced where their turbocharged gasoline engines.
Tests by VW are so trust worthy just like how they did the emission tests. 🤣
Yeah Toyota too with their scandal that killed how many people??? Yet we are worried about emissions 🙄
Only time will really tell, and with my 23 year old mk4 golf. It has been proven to work, there is no rust anywhere, she is going strong.
the key phrase at the very end is - "12 year warranty against rusting THROUGH'' not that it wouldn't rust at all.
Because that is technically impossible. You have to use rust-free steal, but this is very heavy and has other disadvantages (see DeLorean).
@ Galvanised steel is just steel with a galvanising coating. You do know what that means?
The galvanising is literally designed to rust. It oxidises slower and so protects the steel underneath for longer but it's main funcition is to rust.
@@hagglundguy Rust or no, the new cars are generally made to last designed amount of years so that eventually (hopefully sooner) you would replace it with a new one.
and thick undercoating would probably take care of the rust protblem for years but even brand new Jaguars comes with just a paint protecting the metal under the car.
@@InBoostWeTrust7MGTE I knew all of that already except for the fact Jaguars don't come with undercoating. I live in Finland where cars tend to rust really fast due to salt and changing conditions. I just corrected @Dogs_Bollocks on the fact that galvanising is designed to rust.
They do these test and the are like: "Yes, this is rust". And then they do nothing to stop this rust from appearing. Of course they also take notes of everything and then throw them into the trash bin because they clearly don't remember any of them when they start working on their next car.
I think so, the Golf 5 for example is rusting very fast, also the T5.
They know how to get a good corrosion protection, the Golf 4 didn't have this problems.
The same with Mercedes, they rusted from the early ninetees on (when they switched to water based coating) until the mid 2000s.
@@simonm1447 golf 5 was a lemon, but after that they fixed the rust issues
In my opinion the older vw had world class corrosion resistance. Newer ones. Not so much..
Which ones😂😂they all rust like fuck
From the Golf 4 the body is very strong aginst rust. They copied Audi how to galvanize and make rear fenders etc.
@@Marauder252 aside from the front wings crumbling on the mk4?...
@@tomhill3907 bear in mind mk4 golf is now 20+ years old. i had mk1 seat leon which had very little rust despite having hard life on UK roads
@@Marauder2522022 golf 8 or 2022 audi 3 sporback?
Only 1000 genuine miles. 1 owner. Been checked regularly. Mint condition like new. Truly taken care of this beauty. No offers no refunds.
all this testing, yet they still rust like no tomorrow.
This golf was literally made this year
@@dariussedleckas8194 Probably not this year.
@ well 9 years is a long time tbh, but time will show not saying that vw makes best cars but not gonna trash them right away
good thing about australia. NO RUST
@Zombie Head wich
all this testing for my VW to collect water in the rear passenger side door and spew out about half a pint of water when I open the door! if not it seeps into the rear passenger side foot-well..
Good job lads!
No matter how hard VW test them. THEIR FRONT WINGS STILL ROT. Mk3 to current models. They still haven't got this right.
@ spot on. 2010 mk6 golf here. Suffers with all you mentioned.
2008 Tiguan here, front wings, perfect but have a small patch developing on the A post and micro blisters on the doors and tailgate. Getting corrosion underneath now as well.
Have you tried putting it in rice?
Golf 2, almost no corrosion
Golf 3, sometimes a lot of corrosion
Golf 4, 5, 6, 7, dead under front fenders after 6-8 years...
What a progress!
Hmm. That "extreme road surface" is like sine wave. Real road surfaces are more like triangle or saw shape (for example potholes and patches on patches), and never symmetrical. Like caress vs hits. Just test on the hungarian "road 52" at the maximum allowed speed.
Fun fact: They are not, they start rusting after 18 months.
@Albinoid Maggot But they do.
@Albinoid Maggot Sweden bro, but VW such more. My bosses car 1 year.
@Albinoid Maggot they stopped to galvanize their cars (like the Golf 4 was).
Golf 5s usually have big problems with corrosion, with rust holes in the sheet metal after less than 10 years.
The golf 2 was the last golf with corrosion protection
I'd like to think this is what they actually do, but I get the feeling they don't do this much at all to test for rust - this is just a nice short movie that give s the impression that they are really thorough.. I could be wrong and that would be lovely.
This might be the best VW ad ever.
They test them so goot that my 12 years passat gets eaten by rust on every pannel , even the roof....
Not working. I live in Sweden and went to VW dealership. Both side bars are rust away and did not pass inspection. They say it is your fault. Not covered. So here you go.
Golf 2008. Checked 2018.
Apparently they didn't do this to the mk6 GLI's, I got rust building under my door panels already
It’s fascinating how high standards they have for all those tests. Although, both VW I have, 2011 Scirocco and 2020 Caddy suffer from rust from pain chips. But that’s the price you pay for using the cars daily, in Eastern Europe😂
I wish they tested the durability of the oil pump in my 2007 passat.
Or the water pump in the golfs. Something so simple, but looks like they want some issues on every car but only to appear after the warranty has ended 😂
If you're listening VW, the car-coloured parts of the car generally hold up reasonably well unless chipped. Sadly, there are plenty of forward creases and areas on VWs that are prone to chipping but moving on.
The parts that fail prematurely are either the subframes, which have vastly inferior coatings to topside finishes (and compared to old IMO) or the underneath or void spaces that often have sound deadening material added. These tend to trap and hold moisture that defeats the good quality coatings you apply. Doh!
In recent years I think the subframe finishes have got much poorer and the void space and sound deadening materials have become more extensive. This challenges the body-coloured paints and finishes even more. Double Doh!
This is actually so cool and interesting to watch imagine there ws a video like this for every car
LOL. When i rent à golf 7 in Munich , the car was 1 year. i saw some screws with big corrosion.
Please improve your tests...or use the elementary rules of conception
let me gues? a screw in the wheel housing? I drive a golf 7 and no problems. Even tho im living in the apine region
What about check engine light problems lol
It is your problem not ours
I had 6 VWs and I have never seen a check engine light on them, so your joke is pure nonsense 😅
@@serbanmirica8120 Because the light fuse is removed or black tape over it :-D
Get a diagnostic scan get it cleared!
@@serbanmirica8120 Well have you checked the Check The "Check engine light" Light
Meanwhile my 2015 Audi A3 leaks large amounts of water near the rear passenger grab handles any time it rains heavily - most likely via the sunroof. The Audi dealer was unable to fix the issue.
your 12 years ''guarantee'' is worthless , I took my 8 years old passat to dealer because of few corrosion spots and the told me that is my fault, the car is accident free. My suggestion for your engieneres is to focus how to fix oil consumsion in your TSI engines, my got 156000km since new and it's burning 2l oil / 1000km, I will never buy VW again...
Go get an bmw e39 straight 6 diesel. U will find lots of repair videos for every part. An they are cheap
What reason did they give that it was your fault ?
@@deppen123 Finding lots of repair videos for every part of a specific car isn't exactly good advertising though, is it?
@@bendude6748 thay told me that is no point to check this ( I have 2 small spot of rust in side or car near window) because in 99 of 100 cases is customer fault, they check every point under microscope and there is always microhole in paint which caused corrosion, which of course warranty not covering
@@jankowalski9822 possible stone damage. Of course they not gonna pay for that.
When I bought my Mk7 back in 2015, I got a 12 years warranty against rust. Right now, feb. 2024, I got approved by Volks for rust/paint repair. It took them 5 days to get rid of it. I wonder if VW still offer this 12 years warranty ? If you drive your 15-20000 km/year, most cars in Canada WILL have rust somewhere, especialy Ford brand.
Imagine doing all this tests and then explain to everyone that your cars fail to comply with the pollution test...xd
old news.
The best ever corrosion protected VW I had was Golf 1, then 2... Then Golf 3 was drama (cost out?). Then I had Passat B5FL - perfect anticorrosion protection... So I bought Passat B6 at 2010... In 2016 it get 1st rust... I sold it this year full of rust - it was looking like 30y old car... I trusted VW last time and bought passat B8... They promissed me no more rust like at B6... We will see...
Vw is cheqping out on everything lately. Im amazed how bad new vws are built
Man- looks fun to be a corrosion test driver for VW
algeria be like : that a normal day
Tunisia Be like : are you challenging me?
3endi golf 7 wellat chghol golf 1 , tgerbe3 m kol jiha
Morocco be like : You guys are having roads.
Destroyed asphalt evrywhere even whithin the city.
دزاير تع هاربين
@Bizcar Pro i know some moroccans who lived in belgium whenever they go into a pothole they start cursing the homeland and praising belgium for great roads. One guy once said that roads in belgium are like a carpets.
If they are tested, why do some of them still corrode that bad (like the Golf 5 or the T 5, while they had no problems at all with the Golf 4) ?
The same with Merc.
I have to give credit to german cars and their rust protection, my Ford started rusting after only being 5 years old
A golf 5 is rusting even earlier. This test may look impressive - the result at the cars is not impressive.
Rusting where? I’ve a Ford that’s 14.5 years old with no rust outside except the underbody
@@AdrianKurian roof seam and Door
Angelo 😲 really? Which car is it and where do you live?
Unfortunately the 2006-2015 have big problems with rust and at Passat 2017 that I use 2 years ago I have problems with rust and with paint quality the paint chips so easily😢😢😢
At Skoda I don't have this problems
Nice the corossion protection is good but a golf ends up with a engine Damage at 40000km 🤣🤣
No, it isn't good, many cars after the Golf 4 (which was probably galvanized) started rusting very fast, the Golf 5 for example.
They only test to get sure it don't start within the warranty period
@@simonm1447 true. VW is shit 🤣
Ok this is nice but how come that my golf 7 r from 2016 already starts to rust and it only was in Germany and in garage ?
Some years don’t get the full galvanising treatment my VW T5 rusted on the body and the subframes any chip turned to rust. My Vivaro any chip does not rust.
looks like a normal day in Romania
thank you vw for testing this.
Trying to reproduce different climate in laboratory, it’s okay for some hours but the best and realistic test conditions are to put these cars in Nordic country for snow and on a tropical island. For example, the salty corrosion is the worst in Reunion island 🏝
Je ne pense pas qu’ici ça soit pire que quelque part d’autre comme l’Irlande par exemple ou les routes sont salées, et le temps humide 90% de l’année.
Ici ça serais plutôt la chaleur et les UV. C’est un climat idéal pour tester la résistance des plastiques, des peintures etc je vois beaucoup de Renault et Peugeot qui ont moins de 10ans avec des peintures ou le vernis est parti et des plastique ternis par le soleil
Engineers aren’t dumb- there are VW test facilities in Norway and South Africa
@@tomluca2697 Engineers aren’t dumb but the VW executives could be... You’ve already forget the diesel gate. It’s just a call to try their cars in Reunion island: we have a abrasive road near a volcano with tropical or dry season 😊
I like this.
Bravo.
Not all cars manufactures take the corosion serious...and you can se or own a car that in 4-5 years is a disaster 😭
I wish you all a nice day
Toyota: Laughing
So true
Yes theycorrode even more , I had 3 of them , good for desert not for winter and salt , very overrated cars .
Toyotas are worse when it comes to rust
I think that's Japanese cars in general: Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Mazda... They all seem to be terrible when it comes to rust.
@@madfrosty5228 totally agree, just bought by many who dont know much about cars..
Man considering my experience dealing with warranty claims with VW there's not a snow balls chance in hell I'd trust their 12 year corrosion guarantee.
do you think it is true that they are doing all these tests?
Probably they are doing them, but just once in a while (once every 10 years?)
Why woundn't they?
@@BrateTebra123 Common sense really, because a human makes the decision whether to test or not, and as we already know all too well - humans can't be trusted - they lie, steal, deceive, etc etc etc. And, because it costs money, and no manufacturer likes to spend money. Have you ever seen a manufacturer taking responsibility for something they've done wrong?
They do it only once for each model
They lied about emissions, they could be lieing here.
Golf , always on high level since 1979
What a great shame that BMW and Mercedes don't do the same corrosion tests and offer a 12 year corrosion warranty as Volkswagen !
@Beluga.. Tell me about it !... I had bad corrosion on my 1999 E39 540i back in 2013, It was so bad that the rear jacking points just collapsed whist I was changing tires ! - Sorry you've got the same corrosion problem on your E87 :(
@Beluga.. How did you manage? They're generally super good for rust.
I'm in Norway where EVERYTHING rusts, even plastic yet the first gen 1-series doesn't, same with the 2nd gen.
Great content, as always!
They test them just like they do their emmisions....
But can you avoid the check engine light?
Good to know! Nice content😎
Y'all ever seen what it's like in Alberta Canada, on a different note what happened to the Mark 4 5 and 6 Jettas and golfs dirt sand salt it all ends up packed up behind the front fenders and in the rockers causing them to rot out due to it being the main drainage point
I guess they forgot to do a carbon deposit issue test.. LMAO
Everyone complaining about Romania yeah I drive a mk4 Jetta in the northeast US. Rusty as all hell and spent most of its life in the south.
Mine still started to rust after one year.
That's because you're far from WOB. It's your fault customer, always...
Impressive
If VW is already testing, then why are the new cars rusting faster than the Golf Mk2 of its time?
These tests are fake like the exhaust of that blue golf.
You didn't test the rear sliding windows on my T6 though did you?!
I swear by VW's rust prevention. My 2007 GTI has 220,000 miles and has been on the road every year since new during rough Michigan winters and doesn't have a single spot of rust on the chassis besides the suspension arms and other suspension parts.
2022 golf 8 or 2022 a3 ?
Wow, you're lucky.
They generally rust like crazy.
I live in Florida. Park this by the water for a few weeks and watch the oxidation grow 👌
Why are people flexing about how shit the conditions of their country are?
Idk
Because is the thruth
The long answer you didn't expected is: victim mentality.
Mentally weak people will often feel *special* or *entitled* for benefits if they prove that they're some kind of a victim.
That's a heritage of communism that we now have many extremely dumb ideologies praising victimhood. Common people subconsciously mimic behaviours that are beneficial.
But we also know at least one whole nation of people who put themselves as the victims of great evil and it's their agenda that's centuries old. They also do it for profit, but they do it purposefully and consciously.
looks like they skipped this test with the Golf 5
It's funny to see this, because if you type in "VW rust on youtube you get tons of videos of badly rusted VW's.
pos cars dude..depretiation and rust like hell.
i see a 2011 passat the other day with more rust than metal..the moron that bought that junk has lost 50k in just 9 years lol..BUY A TOYOTA FFS
Best video on this content on YT, well done. Any chance of a UK one anyone?