FLASH: Why He Quit Starcraft and Will He Ever Return?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Lee Young Ho, also known as FLASH, was expected to make a comeback to the Broodwar scene on February 5th 2023. However, a major scandal erupted in Korea, causing him to disappear from the public eye. Fans are left wondering if he will ever return to Broodwar. In this video, we delve deeper into the controversy that rocked the Korean community and explore how crypto played a role in derailing Flash's much-anticipated comeback. Join us as we attempt to shed light on the situation and uncover the truth behind one of the biggest scandals in esports history.
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Here's my thought on this whole thing.
Overall, I think it’s cynical to jump to the conclusion that FlaSh went in with intent to swindle his viewers.
While you could argue that there was basic foundation of the plan was set in place before that on FlaSh side, with
1) building of credibility in crypto knowledge,
2) recommending crypto to fellow streamers and
3) opening up on stream about his success in crypto investing financially
To fully jump to the conclusion that it was certain FlaSh went in with his full intent to participate in a conspiracy might be just too big of a jump in conclusion.
Afterall, none of the next steps afterwards that a lot of people are outraged over happened yet and it’s all speculation and “what-if’s” that the public is enraged about. The crypto shut down before launch and before FlaSh directly advertised it at all.
Overall, fans were really upset about the discrepancies and lies that flash presented since his announcement not only deflected his blame, but was found out to be false almost immediately (by other streamers releasing their own excuses)
1) lied about his involvement recommending crypto to other streamers
2) downplayed his investment amount
3) mom blame
If anything, FlaSh’s reputation and pedestal he was put on to be “Mr.StarCraft” along with his extremely poor reaction afterwards where he tried to deflect & downplay his involvement was what fueled the flame the most and disappointed his fanbase.
Overall, the lesson here may be, if it’s too good to be true, it probably isn’t.
Further information if interested (make your decision after reading both sides)
evilfatsh1t & RWLab elaboration on incident afterwards: tl.net/forum/brood-war/574711-flashs-crypto-scandal?page=11#213
RUclips keeps deleting my link comments, so I guess I can't link to script
I tried to remain fairly neutral in this script when I was writing it while still maintaining reasons behind people's outrage and disappointment to flash. Hopefully viewers will come to their own conclusion after watching video.
PS. To people wondering what exactly those figures at 9:11, it's their hardcore fan sub count. Their regular stream viewer count is way too cluttered to look at since it has massive peak during ASL livecast but hardcore fan subscriber count is a good indicator
Bisu viewerwise averages 2-4k on non-ASL days, and largely is down from pre-crypto days by fair decent bit EVEN w/ boost with SC uni
PSS. To those wondering who Park Wan-Gyu is 7:09, he sung 2012 starleague OST (ruclips.net/video/rS2xO2pTv08/видео.html)
@@baigpigpigdefinitely crypto as it stands has to be a scam. The value of the investment doesn’t come from providing value in exchange for money. It comes from the people who get in early and convince others this is their ticket to get rich .
Someone always loses their shirt. If I invest in a clothing coming for example I can still be rich but at the end of the day someone gets a shirt :)
I know nobody that have invested in crypto and not fucked up their lives..
@@azorthegreat2112 I invested in Ethereum, made a large profit and bought a motorcycle. So now you know 1 person. :)
@@jinjinBW I can see that it's not a clearcut case, but the point still stands that the involved streamers intended to conceal their investments into the coin.
Not having their investment guaranteed doesnt mean it was not intended to be a pump and dump sceme. i think it's hard to believe that suit buttered up the streamers with expensive gifts only to get their financial investment. if you are after money i think there are far more attractive targets. So even if he didnt ask them to advertise the coin directly, I'd guess his only plausible intention was to get more publicity through them. That or he thought they were a bunch of semi-rich, financially naive people who get scammed easily.
now, i wouldnt say that all or any of the streamers had the clear intention to scam their viewers. But declining or downplaying your involvment when directly asked is a very big alarm bell that something fishy is going on. I struggle to come up with any legit reason to do so. If anything it would be more attractive to your fans if they knew you invested into the coin yourself and are in the same boat together.
Can't speak korean so I have to rely on second hand summaries so I may be far off the mark
Dont care, he needs to Comeback
He’s back
To those wondering who Park Wan-Gyu is 7:09, he sung 2012 starleague OST (ruclips.net/video/rS2xO2pTv08/видео.html)
I don’t care about a pro-gamer’s finances or trying to make money. I just want to see top level Brood War. Just sounds like a bunch of jealous nerds trying to stop the best players in the world
I share this sentiment. However I wanted to know why flash hadn't returned and when I found out, I figured I would share it with you all
I still don't understand the controversy around this. Just investing in crypto and not telling anyone on its own doesn't seem that bad. Was it that they we're also trying to shill the coin ro their viewers?
They hadn't yet no
Not even Japanese Laws can save him from be part of another crypto scam.
There is not a single cryptocoin that is "stable" or even worst "candidate to *invest* " lmao
People are being to dramatic about this whole thing, being a fan doesn't mean you have a back stage access to his personal life or a say on his financial matters
I love StarCraft bw since i was a kid and all i want is for this Terran weapon to return, it's all about the game
Leave him alone
Damn...Seems like many top guys from Starcraft are scumbags. First it was Life with matchfixing in SC2. Now it`s Flash and Bisu with ponzy schemes...Let`s all support Jaedong. He don`t do shit like this and overall is a nice guy
JD is such a gentleman, I hope he goes to the final This ASL
wdym nice guy, he's a tyrant.
What greed does to people...
The biggest problem I see over and over with streamers and celebrities relating themselves with crypto is their justification and morality of the situation is not the same as the general public. Crypto projects are simply put, greedy people making money off greedy people. However as the general populace see it, its simply unmoral behavior when you use your intelligence, fame, and influence to instead of creating something for society, you take away from those less fortunate from you.
Well put
Huge reach. It's not different then selling advertisements on your stream, or hocking shitty 20$ T-shirts with iron-on logos. Horribly biased to say something like 'take away from those less fortunate than you'
@@jubal1794 It is way different. The only way you can compare crypto to advertisements for shitty t-shirts is if the t-shirt doesn't actually exist. If you buy the promise of the t-shirt and then sell the promise to the next person and then they try to sell the promise to the next person. Until finally everybody finally realizes there is no t-shirt and your money is gone.
Wow this was so well done. I had no idea this was even a thing, I was curious why flash hadn't come back yet... Kinda sad this all happened. 😢
Thanks dude, I'm glad I could explain it for you. It's a real bummer for pure starcraft fans who don't care about drama
@@SaiyanKCM There's not caring about drama, and there's no longer being a fan because someone's an asshole. A lot of this crypto stuff is clearly pyramid schemes, and people who promote it (with financial interests) are parasites. I used to want Flash to return, but now I feel like there are other terrans to root for.
This guy even bragged about money made from his scamming
He blocked his RUclips channel comments guilty AF
I am Korean. It is simply stupid to think that Flash wasn't pulling all these moves with the intent to encourage fans to buy the coin. He went on stream and started bragging about his crypto success, he purposefully mixed in streams with Suit and other streamers where they talked about investing and their finances right around this time, and he clearly roped in other streamers like Bisu with the intent of pumping the coin. And that is all that we know (he didn't admit to any of this at first and outright lied) there are probably more things that went on behind the scenes without a doubt.
Anyone who is happy to endorse Flash after this I don't mind, but people who think that this was all done naively are just plain stupid.
He is the greatest sc player of all time but this action has ruined him for so many.
Great work man!!! Thank you for opening this huge thing to the world 🌍 Long live SC
Hope Flash comes back soon these current Terrans are chobos....
It's mom's fault. Seems like he wasn't sorry.
I understand some fans miss him (or his games) and argue that he wasn't really even promoting the crypto but for someone with a sizeable amount of influence, even if he is not 100% intended on scamming the fans, they are still liable for the potential impact. And with Saviour serving as an example of the expectation of the SCBW community and Flash's reluctance to just admit his fault, seems like it might be a while before fans see any games from Flash.
Kudos to the fans in Korea who caught on that its likely another pump and dump scam. Imagine your disappointment when your "God" of SCBW betrays you.
I like that people are getting such different reactions and conclusions based on what I said. I was trying to be impartial as possible here and it feels like I might have done a good job.
IDK if pump and dump scam was the plan for flash from the beginning but pretty much every crypto currency is that at some level. And it seems like suit was the type of guy to organize/profit off something like that. It is good that the korean fans picked up on the suspicious behavior and nipped it in the bud. We don't need a crypto zoo level scandal in broodwar
Damn I've been out of the StarCraft scene for a while but randomly got this recommended - awesome video man. It's crazy to me seeing all of these progamers I've been watching since I was like 13 now getting involved in crypto scandals - and definitely unfortunate at how a lot of them handled it. That Sea video was definitely a bit disappointing with how aggressive he was, since it really changes your image that you've had of these people for over a decade. That being said, everyone's human so we all make mistakes. Korea seems to have an especially punishing environment with this kind of stuff. Hopefully people like Bisu and Flash will gain people's affection again over time, possibly by owning up to their mistakes!
Agreed!
Sea was already banned from an ASL for dodgy behavior. So not supriesd by him. But disappointed by Bisu & Flash.
@@hellowill Sea isn't banned from ASL permanently, just 1 from that controversy he stirred up.
That's the general attitude in Koreans anyway. They expected controversy from Sea and Britney, but FlaSh and Bisu were shocking
So they're mad at him for not disclosing private investments to a private company? Is it normal for Koreans to disclose all their personal finances, or is this a new thing?
LMAO imagine taking investment advice from streamers.
Neat video. Seems like a bit of an overreaction by the Korean public.
this is a nothing burger on the global scale of dick move finance. 2/10 not great, but look at political/financial intersections, those are massive problems with law shifting and war starting consequences
It's funny how much more people get upset about controversy with famous people involved than with politicians or financial organizations.
@@SaiyanKCM It is unironically, the doom of the planet. The majority of people not only don't care, they don't seem to understand that there is something to even care about.
@@SaiyanKCM oh, and great video. i love watching flash play so this makes me sad panda
@@acegary3715 me too buddy
This is solid material you’ve gathered - but hey crypto the gold digging paradise for youngsters who belive in miracles… there couldn’t be a softer ground to grow this seed than amongst gamers😂 what bunch of crap and korean soap opera
Nice video! Would love to see more BW content like this - even old "stories" as well. Collaborating with jinjin could be great for us fans. :)
imagine saying hou want to end someone here in america prob get arrested even if your famous . wild how diffrent the cultures are
So Flash didn't do anything illegal and didn't promote the coin. How is this a scandal?
I think that's what I was trying to show in this video
@@SaiyanKCM clearly, based on the title and cover photo LOL
@@sumfattytuna1 we are all playing the same game. It's RUclips. Flash and Bisu did nothing illegal but there was still a huge backlash. The video explains why.
It's a scandal because fans felt betrayed that he did what scummy investors at wall street do to get richer. It's not illegal to invest huge amount of money in a stock, but it's one of those scenarios where the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer, and flash was a part of it.
Great job Saiyan 💪. IMO tho, weirdo freak fans should be ignored not placated or negotiated with. Gotta say it was a shameful move on KCMs part to play along with the hype
It certainly is tempting to dive on top of the pile when the hate mob gets rolling
@@SaiyanKCM it almost seems like a survival instinct
Don't care about it much but don't go blaming your mom, just be honest, say you fucked up and move on.
While scammy, this would've never happened with streamers in the US. There has been tons of professionals and streamers that have blatantly promoted scam coins like Mayweather.
Also it doesn't help that Korea will blow any small thing out of proportion. Everyone in crypto should know the risk is exponentially high before making an investment
He just needs to take responsibility and apologize. We all make mistakes but we have to take responsibility and own up to it, so that we can become better people and move on. I hope flash acts like a man and does the right thing, then all would be well.
Absolutely, but that won't change the fact that the game is scum and a loser, sad honestly. He's a very weak man actually, which would be hard to know without knowing this story.
I read jinjin's post about this on TL. Such a scummy thing for the progamers/streamers to do. Flash's absence has allowed amazing players like Light and Royal to shine. I hope he does come back to BW but we'll be fine without him. Thanks for putting the video together and allowing more people to be aware of what happened.
he probably will be back next ASL judging from korean streamers commenting, but still a large doubt
The terran race most certainly wouldnt be fine without him. Most pro terrans believed there was no way to win against certain builds until flash returned to bw. And we're already facing that dilemma again with hydra/lurker/defiler. To say "we'll be fine without him" is a massive overstatement. We dont even know how to beat certain builds when played perfectly by players like soulkey. Light got absolutely demolished by it recently.
@@yangpaan453 I haven't caught up on ASL or KCM semi-finals just yet, but I've seen the hydra/lurker/defilier builds throughout KCM.
Still, the last two ASL winners were Terran and they also won last season's KCM. I think it's too quick to say that there's no hope against zerg. However, I don't play BW or talk to any progamers to have any further insights.
@@ParityDesu yeah theres a little bit of luck involved with winning ASL as a terran though. Like for example when Light won his ASL title that was actually the first time his ASL winrate was above 50%. Can you believe that? The best terran in the world didnt even win half of his games until he won an ASL.
at this point you're all retarded if you listen to a influencer, celebrity, pro gamer, or pro sports player about financial advice. I mean who is the bigger idiot. You or him? Definitely YOU if you invested.
Thank you for the context you provided. Also, many thanks to Jinjin5000.
As they say, "every saint has a past, every sinner has a future" :)
Thanks for the rundown
I don't really care about any of this. Heck, I wasn't even remotely aware of it until now. The only thing I have to say is: *damn, your journalistic and presentation skills are amazing, didn't know you had this in you!*
Oh, and I hope Flash continues playing in tournaments. His quality is missed.
If Koreans really think he's worse than sAviOr then he won't be back.... cause you could say the same about his quality.
On the bright side, it makes me happy that JD seems to have not gotten involved with any of this stuff.
Everyone has their faults, but JD is clean of this one
Did Flash approach Jaedong for investment as.middleman?
@@jennyxie5382 I have no idea. Only they know
Had no idea about the crypto controversy over crypto in Korea. Thanks for covering this.
i still dont get it from this video, was that coin total scam? was it rug pulled at some point? was it legit?
Did Flash forced anybody to buy that crypto? Everyone is responsible for their own investments..
The coin never launched fully. The only people who put their money in were the people on the original investor list. I assume based on the contract that they got their money back. It looked shady to the public and with the reputation of crypto being what it is everyone just assumed it was a total scam. The reason the controversy got so big was because of the reaction from streamers and their popularity in korea.
Nice vid!
On the subject: I think he should just take the L and start streaming. At least that would be best for me, as the audience. I understand he has the money so he does not need the stream money and I understand that he has done everything in StarCraft so there's no real reason to get back in tournaments. But still, I enjoy watching him play.
I've seen a lot of controversy vids and I had to realize, denial is not a sign of weakness, it's the only normal response. Taking accountability and understanding that you are a "bad person" is really hard. (Even if making a single bad decision is not making you a bad person)
I don't know Flash, maybe he's a real scumbag maybe he's really nice but got greedy, I have no idea. But I can differentiate between the art and the artist. I enjoy his games so I'd love to see him return. (But I'd also love if he was not scamming people. Although people can change, it is really hard to earn that kind of trust again. But I believe.)
I agree with separating the art from the artist.
I wouldn't want him to take full responsibility, just say "I invested and I thought it was going to be a great crypto coin, I never intended to harm/scam anyone and I am sorry to the fans and friends who invested because of me."
I think something like that would have gone over so much better
@@SaiyanKCM I too would like that, but I have a suspicion that it was a deliberate scam. (I.e. he knew that advertising a new crypto without disclosing that he invested a lot is illegal.) So if he says nothing maybe that's good because it means he actually feels bad for it? Just a speculation. :/ But if he actually had malicious intent saying "I didn't want to do harm" would just further ruin his reputation. The only viable way out is to take responsibility. But that's really hard.
if you see in video, 5:42, guemchi owned up to it and was largely forgiven, while flash denied his involvement and got pitchforked
Great way to end a career!
I was wondering why didn't he start post videos on RUclips again (I knew he has finished his military duty). Thanks for your video! As a Vietnamese I wouldn't understand anything going on in Korea otherwise!
The Apology by Flash was really bad... completely unbelieveable...
Commenting cause I think this one might pop up in people's recs, Nice work Saiyan :3
Damn thanks so much fot clearing up the otherwise impossible to obtain story. i didn't even know i missed it - until you showed me this video, thanks.
it's a disaster for the game.
Because flashs comeback as random would be awesome. Now it's unlikely.
Seeing how Guemchis apology did the trick I am dumbfounded that others apologies went so poorly.
Damn.
You understand that it is a "killer video" and it's going to boost your channel dramatically, right? Congratulations! It's a great example of how going out of the box (in terms of content) can gain you a lot of profit! So happy for you, man 👍👍🎉🎉
Thanks dude!
Man, the prospect of Flash not returning to BW is absolutely heart breaking, I really really hope that isn't the case.
Me too bro
No way Flash won't return to BW
Flash is back
Great recap of the situation. People are way too sensitive and quick to cause drama. Ultimately one is responsible for their own investing choices. Even so, Flash never told the public to invest (unless he made a statement that wasn't covered in this video.) Guy invested in his friend's company and yes, probably made a bad choice to associate with him. The caster calling him worse than Savior is ridiculous...
all in my opinion of course. I was not there.
Thanks for your perspective, I think the singer and caster were pretty over the top yes, but they were not working with complete information and in likely a lot of misinformation/rumors at the time. Who knows what they heard before they posted their thoughts.
I agree with you, sounds like crybabies wanting to blame someone for their stupidity.
Crypto is like stocks, it's pure gambling, only invest what you're OK to loose.
Better crowd-fund an interesting project.
Wow this is such a non-issue. A guy wanted to put his money somewhere, so what?! Can't wait to see Flash destroy the ASL once again.
I had heard some of this before Flash left but then nothing since. Though I don't keep up with the personal lives of the SC pros.
I usually don't either, but I was wondering what happened to flash and I thought I would share what I found
Clear, eloquent, and concise summary of a rather serpentine - and regrettable - turn of events. Well done, Saiyan.
Thank you!
This is the biggest nothjng burger Ive ever seen. If you invest in pyramid schemes because of your hero worship for people who play *video games* professionally, then of course youre going to get taken for a ride. These smoothbrains need to take some responsibility.
As if I couldn't hate Crypto more.
I would actually change the title to replace "Flash" with "the greatest StarCraft player of all time" or something similar. This is something not only existing BW fans like to watch, and they may have no idea who Flash is or what game this is about. Great video!
Greatest gamer of all time*
I thought it would do better with people who are wondering about what happened to flash if I put his name in the title.
@@SaiyanKCM the guy you were replying to was just kidding.
@@TranscendentMusic1 that isnt how you determine the greatest player. Jaedong's winrate and tournament championship rate is lower than flash. He is by far the best zvz player of all time but Flash is not only the best terran of all time in all 3 matchups but he even proved to be able to beat the best players in the world with random, thats adding 6 more matchups into the mix. So just throwing all the objective mathematic statistics of winrates etc out of the window flash just understands the game more than anyone else in history.
Also your point about imbalance "in that time," the game has not been patched in like 20 years my dude. It is the same balance now as it's always been, and zerg is definitely, objectively the most overpowered race, including in zvt. Just because ZvT was not understood as well back then doesnt mean it was imbalanced against their favor. Light the current best terran player gets absolutely demolished by soulkeys hydra/lurker/defiler play and doesnt even know what to do against it when interviewed. Flash is considered the greatest because he always finds a way, if not strategically with timings, then by pure speed to just outmacro and overwhelm players before they can even get a foothold with whatever op build theyre doing.
@@TranscendentMusic1 Once again dude, the game has not received a balance patch in 2 decades. Its never been more balanced in this or that way, people simply didnt know how to play it. Terrans nowadays simply have no answer to crazy zerg (2 base muta into max carapace ultra) or hydra/lurker/defiler. Light is the best terran in the world and got absolutely steamrolled by it this ASL. Zerg has always been better, the players just never figured it out. Every terran player that streams has been asked how to deal with hydra/lurker/defiler and has not been able to give an answer. And I'd love to see where you pull this 30% winrate from because I dont even remember zerg struggling against terran this hard. Only vs flash because he just simply outplays people no matter what op flavor of the month build theyre using.
nobody plays starcraft @that lvl without loving the game..
Great video, thanks for putting all the pieces together.
Thanks for being a starcraft legend. Ty moletrap
Wait you mean he's human after all?
Yes he does bleed
If you take investment advice from someone else and it doesnt work out, you shouldnt blame the advisor, you should blame yourself for choosing your advisors poorly. Doesnt matter whether its crypto or stocks. It doesnt seem like the coin itself was a rugpull. I assume people got their money back when the project was canceled. So the only thing went wrong was that these streamers didnt disclose that they personally had a stake in the ICO. Which they should have. But if it isnt illegal not to disclose that in Korea then i dont see why character assassination would be necessary.
and this is why Jaedong is the GOAT
Still, as soon as flash returns to scbw hed be able to gather his fans back. Shitcoin crashed but skill is still with him
Great Stuff!!!
LETS GO!
You always do great work but this was exceptional. I've participated in the discussion on TL and am of the opinion that Korean culture has a serious defect regarding the hyper-importance of image, or the facade that counts for it there.
Nevertheless, Flash made a serious error and he must deal with the repercussions. Thank you for such an informative and concise video - and for providing the all-important context of the incident.
Thank you very much! I really put my all into this one over the last 7 days. Glad to see hard work pays off
@SaiyanKCM that's actually pretty impressive turnaround - imagine you'd be even faster next time. There is room for a great brood war journalist! So many magnificent stories, you'd do great at it. Whatever you choose, good luck - hard work always pays in some form or another.
That's a cultural thing in the East, about honor and all. It's much more easier to be a scumbag in the wild West.
Great video.
As a Korean born living abroad, I didn't quite understand the impact of this.
I remember going into flash's youtube channel when this exploded and the amount of hate comments were neverending.
Great to get some context behind this.
you know the video is going to be a bomb when it is just above 10 minutes for the algorithm and has related png images directly sticked on the video for us (the viewer)
It just happens to be that long. No fluff or filler in this video
@@SaiyanKCM yup it is good. also this is a nice concept you can go with. e-sports related events would get good clicks and help you keep creating good content etc.
what's up my broodwar brother
I dont understand anything about cryptoworld, so i still dont get the drama. It was great video, it is just that i m too dumb. Why is it wrong to invest in crypto in korea? How was the fans affected, nobody forced them to buy that coin. It is like blaming being drug addict on other people. You must take responsibility not blame some streamers. Can some one explain more?
Everyone who ever lost money on crypto (a lot of people in Korea) directed their rage at these streamers. The same streamers who make millions from donations and gifts from the fans appeared to be scheming to scam them. (Whether that was reality or not)
@@SaiyanKCM i understand the part about they being mad cuz they donating gifts and money , but nobody forced to buy crypto, and i bet very little people did so. Not everybody likes investing in that stuff. I know a lot of rich people, they dont have a cent invested in crypto but in real estate and so on. Even if they did invest, they are grown man and should take responsibility, it is ridiculous to blame flash and bisu. If i heard a famous actor using cocain, should i do that too?maybe i should , i donno know :)
@@andronis6452 I'm not trying to tell you you should be mad. I am just explaining why Koreans were mad. And none of them bought the crypto from flash. The entire project was shut down before going public
@@SaiyanKCM yeah, i just dont get it, investing in crypto is like gambling or blowing your money or hookers and drugs, nobody can force you. You can blame only yourself, so this whole story doesnt make sense to me. Probably only in korea ...
Thanks for your work. it was really informative
My pleasure
I've watched flash rise to championship at the age I was just trying to figure out logarithms. I just can't quite see him in a sinister light. He's a kid who's in over his head and made a mistake. I feel the Korean public is too harsh on him, but I understand they do hold celebrities at a high standard.
I feel a bit this way too. Like maybe he got tricked by suit. But at the same time he is a 30 year old man
In the end, the worse people in this scandal are the guys who incited streamers to use their popularity to manipulate the market. Yes, Flash and Bisu have partial blame in this for complicity, even if they didn't know the whole situation, they have responsibility.
But it's the guy promoting his crypto by maliciously using the streamers' fame that should be in jail, for stealing money from all those people with false advertising. He should be the one losing all of his credibility and money here.
fame and wealth corrupts people
fun fact about crypto.
let alone it is just a waste of resources.
it is always a scam. It is a pyramid.
so - truly couldn't care less about his career.
if you "made so much money" - why would you wanna brag about it? Isn't it because you are trying to make money of selling/promoting it?
to make it clear though - I have no empathy for idiots who invest in it either as long as they are older than age of 25.
Yeah the bragging about how much money he made got people really suspicious
why is the TL thread from the time Flash was supposed to be in the military? Aer they allowed to stream while there? ^^
Apparently some people can get an exemption to stream if they have a very good reason. Also flash was in the civil service after bootcamp. That means he still has free time after work everyday
@@SaiyanKCM thought all BW went to air force.
@@totalnizmetek that was disbanded some time ago
@@jinjinBW I didnt mean the team, i know about that. I meant in general that they went to Air Force.
we might see that soon I guess :D
Great production and narrating! Thanks for your effort delivering this! As for Flash, I’m willing to bet he’ll come back eventually.. it’s hard for pro-gamers like him to just stop what has been their life for 10+, 20 years. I heard in the previous ASL (s14) he was practice partner for Rush, before the final.. so he was still playing apparently. Let’s all hope he comes back!
I hope so too!
Sea and pusan said he should be back next asl
Arty gonna be so disappointed
Sheesh people (especially Koreans) love making a big deal out of small matters and over dramatize. I love Flash for his BW skills. What he does besides that is none of my business. Hope he will be back soon.
Sure if he murders a couple people in his free time who would care right?
I thought those that put money in were guaranteed to not lose anything.Suit would match the losses essentially and that was the problem.
yeah same here. but mostly got my knowledge off the thread on tl. and i think it could have been emphasized that it all blew up before the public was able to invest, so it wasnt advertised a lot at all. so by flash saying he didnt actually advertise the coin it really doesnt say much.
I thought this was the case too, but JinJin5000 showed me the translation of the contract and it says that if the coin Fails to Launch, then the investors will get their money back, it said nothing about covering losses after the coin started trading
@@SaiyanKCM ah thanks for pointing that out
I see OK, that makes sense. I’m kinda torn, I personally don’t think it is as big a deal as some have made it out to be. I think Bisu was worse by lying about not taking part.
it was initial misconception of what contract said exactly as it was worded that way, but in reality, it only guaranteed if it failed to launch/go public.
It was my bad man
Maybe you left out a lot of evidence but this honestly doesn't look very damming at all.
Anyhow, it's a tragedy if this stuff makes Flash not come back to playing BW.
For the love of god, can people just stop believing anything influencers say? Especially about shitcoins, investing in those is a 10,000% sure way to get shafted.
Here's some new ground rules that people need to learn.
1. BLOCK ALL ADDS!
2. If adds circumvent this by inserting themselves in to the content, be sure to be hypervigilant to identify this and filter it out!
3. Always be extremely skeptical when ANYONE online tries to sell you on anything since there are millions of incentives for them to F you and basically no benevolent reasons for them to aggressively push something to you.
I left nothing out. Yes it's very sad. People need to take personal responsibility and not take financial advice from influencers
I guess that risky econ cheese didn’t pay off.
Seriously though what’s the deal with Korean pros and making stupid decisions involving money 🤯
Thanks for the video good man!
LOL risky ecocheese
I think Flash and all the other streamers fell victim to their own ambition of making money easily.
I have to say I made some money in crypto back in 2020 and 2021 but I ended up losing most of it as easy as it came.
But SaiyanSC is right to say it's not the size of the scandal or what you did or did not do, it's how you atone to your mistakes
Well, I was waiting for him to complete his military service and return to ASL. Watching him playing random race in the tournament was going to be fun, but we have the situation... This is like hoping to get a new episode of a finalised series.
Excellent video, Sayian. You deserve WAY more subs.
Thanks! Spread the word!
Thanks for putting this together.
Great documentary! Thank you!
I thought I read somewhere the investment was risk free, basically Suit guaranteed their money back if it failed
That was a mistranslation. Jinjin told me that the contract states the investors will get their money back if the coin fails to launch but it doesn't protect if the coin price tanks after launch
Is this an April fools thing? 😂😂😂😂 but seriously, great video man, though I wish it wasn’t a thing
Me too man, it's a bummer every time a controversy happens in starcraft
Crypto is scam
Thanks bro! 2 days ago i looked info about flash and i couldnt find anything important or related to this subject. Amazing documentary.
Nice Zerg music in the background
Trust is easy to earn when your trustworthy
Great video!!
Hmm no its not the biggest crypto scandal I ever heard about, to be honest there are 10 times worst almost weekly in the western scene lol
It's the biggest you NEVER heard about lol.
Dirty swindlers flash and bisu, it's really worse than savior. Too bad that's not a felony in Korea. I hope flash never shows his face again and is ostracized. But I doubt it.
I disagree but I thank you for your opinion and comment
Great video, thanks for the Insight!
NP
Flash is back.
Its crazy this wouldn't even be a story in America
Yes this is a very Korean event
This is a wild story. subscribed!
Super thorough yet easy to follow! Great stuff!
Great to hear! Thank you!
Was Larva in on this? I saw him in one of the Flash pics you were using.
I can't speak to everyone who was in on this. I only know a few people who admitted to it. Would be a good question to ask @jinjin5000
Havent watched any sc content in a while. Glad to see you're still making stuff. Also wow great quality here.
Broodwar lives! Thanks for the compliment!
This is news to me, so thanks for the insight.
"That is worse than savior." ...wow, that's an intense quote.
Yeah pretty strong words there.
Thank you for this summary!
I didn’t know any of that. Was hoping to see him playing random at ASL but it seems like that’s what he did in real life and fail badly.
Yeah hope he comes back to play some more next season, but we will have to wait and see