Timestamps! 0:00 Intro 1:37 American Psycho 2 4:36 Weird movie technology news 12:48 DC Universe changes 18:58 Barbarian (spoilers) 31:55 The Big Lebowski (spoilers) 1:05:40 Rings of Power (spoilers) 1:27:00 Pizza Time! I mean Question Time! 1:27:13 Does a movie’s length factor into your rating? 1:30:55 What are some non-film topics you would make videos about? 1:42:56 Thoughts on the Lion King prequel developments? 1:49:48 Adam recommends The Revenant Thanks boys! Happy Shrek the Sixth
Adam is recommending The Revenant for next week? Holy crap what a coincidence cause the Spanish TV Station "UniMas" announced they're playing it on TV this Sunday.
I feel like they are getting a lot of grief for being awkward or tired but like they live in three parts of the world. I feel one of them is always gonna be off just from if being a vastly different part of their day. I love this podcast and sometimes it's a lot more fun and sometimes it's a great conversation. They always push me to watch and expand my movie taste and views. Keep up the great work
My favorite line from Big Lebowski is when they’re watching the porn, and Julianne Moore goes, “You can probably imagine what happens next.” And The Dude goes, “They fix the cable?”
that is simply impossible as the podcast didnt have its debut episode until feb 12 2018, so unless you have a time machine you could not have been watching this podcast in 2016
Big Lebowski is one of those movies that's so dialog based you don't even realize how funny it is. A friend recently watched it for the first time and thought, 'yeah, it was alright' but then as we were quoting parts he eventually said about 30 references in, 'okay, maybe that movie was fucking funny.' My favorite part is probably when Dude is talking to Big Lebowski in front of the fireplace and asks if he can light his joint and big Lebowski is so distraught he lets him. Idk why but I just love that part. 'Her life is in your hands, Dude.... Her life is in your hands...'
Big Lebowski is one of my favorite movies, definitely my favorite "feel good" movie. Watched like a dozen times, will continue to watch it.... Just love the humor, the dialogues, the settings, the cinematography, the music... so perfect!
So glad your talking about this classic! Such a hilarious genre defiying film. I took it like the films universe itself wants to take The Dude through this crazy, extravagant story. But he doesn’t need all that extra noise, all he wants to do is get his rug back, and go bawling. Even his dreams show us just how content he is with his simple life. “The Dude abides.”
Ok first, why would Patrick Bateman being the edge lord he is ever babysit? Second, how would a child be able to take him down when grown ass men couldn’t even do that?
@@Gh0stily111 Yeah, not disagreeing but it's just not worth talking about at the end of the day it's probably the most worthless movie I've ever seen lol
@@davidkippy101 They might be watching but NO ONE is talking about it besides people ripping it to pieces. I've never watched past ep 4 of HotD but I can tell you a good chunk of what happens simply by people talking and discussing it online, no one is doing that with RoP
@@davidkippy101 "First 2 episodes reached 25 million views worldwide." But it's reported even weeks after the 8th episode, it still hasn't cracked 100 million.
It really feels like the discussion of politics has shifted from pitching your ideals for helping society, to just winning arguments and shitting on the other side above all costs so you can get your rep to sit on the chair and do nothing important for their term.
As an artist the reason why I support websites banning AI-art for now is because the way it is spammed on sites like Pixiv / Deviantart is insane. The " new art " feed is heavily outweighed by AI. If you're an amateur artist you have no way to be seen in that feed. ( It was already hard before, but now it's near impossible ) Many of these AI-profiles are spitting out like 20+ higher-than-average-user-in-terms-of-quality-images PER DAY. Even if you are a quick artist and churn 1 image out every day you're being absolutely drowned out by all the AI generated content. And in 3 years the tech will certainly have fixed shit like bad hands etc so being able to tell what's what will be impossible. If AI work wasn't just a tag but it's seperate category kinda like 2 different tabs I suppose it could work... But right now you can barely use DA/Pixiv anymore if you're looking for new art made by actual humans using their drawing skill lol. This is coming for music too 100%. Imagine if soundcloud etc started being drowned out by AI-music at a 10-1 ratio ... That'd be a problem in my mind. Me typing " Sad violin " as a prompt to generate a song doesnt mean I should be uploading said track to a site with actual musiscians sharing their songs. Even if I told it to " Have a drum solo " and " End with fireworks " to make it more custom-made. That's what AI art feels like right now.
And there is a grey-zone where AI can be used to create art in a way that feels less scummy the same way people can use photobashing to create art with stock photos etc. It's just tough to nail down where the line is of human authorship VS the machine authorship. Especially in the future when the generators will be able to create near perfect images/music without much custom fiddling from the user whatsoever. Those are my views on the whole thing and why I think banning AI art from art-sites right now isn't a bad idea at all. And if allowed later on it should be it's distinct category and not share the same feed. The same way you have writing/music/visual arts in seperate categories on a site like FurAffinity. ( Which I imagine is the site Adam is referring to. )
The funniest part of Barbarian is when Justin Long is walking past all the cages which implies the most fucked up shit imaginable and it fascinates him, but then he gets visibly disgusted by the breast-feeding video. Perfect encapsulation of his character.
I love that Steve Buscemi's character in the big lebowski has his own miniature story arc that's completely disconnected from everything else going on. The night he dies, of a random heart attack, is the only time in the movie that he doesn't bowl a strike. Whenever you think this movie has run out of things to give, you're wrong.
I always feel like everyone is afraid to step on eachother talking. I wish they would get on video chat so you can tell cues like that easier. It's so much easier to have a conversation when you can see someone. We don't have to ever see it, but it would help their conversation feel so much smoother IMO.
The first time I watched the Big Lebowski I didn't get what the hype was. I thought it was just average. Then one day it was just on TV in the background and something clicked. It's so easy to miss all the little details. I've probably seen in 13 of 14 times now
Same, it’s a movie I think you need to see multiple times to fully appreciate. You need to approach it on its own terms and just sort of go with the flow. Kinda like the Dude himself.
the first time I went to LA I took a walk down to see the tiny house that the character of The Dude lived in, it was exactly as weird in real life as it was in the movie.
I saw an instance on twitter of a twitch streamer who had their WIP piece screenshotted off of stream and ran through an AI art website and then rendered and posted online hours before the original artist finished their piece, and I find that extremely shitty honestly
When it comes to run times on films, each one has to justify their length to me. Magnolia is a 3hr film that warrants its run time, I never find myself bored with it what with the multiple intersecting stories. Then there's something like IT Part 2. At 3hrs, it's just repeating a lot of the same stuff throughout. You start to realise what was the point of them coming back to Derry as adults. Couldn't they have just resolved this stuff as kids? Lengthy run times also kind of factor into my schedule. I have to pick what day I'm going to watch a long film because I don't like to be interrupted while watching something (It breaks the immersion for me or makes me forget specific plot points depending on how long I was taken away from). A Sunday is usually my go-to day since I don't have any visitors, dinner to make, or no shift to report into. I get so many hours to myself, I don't want someone wasting my time with inane crap. I abide by a motto in life: _"Act like my time is valuable"_ . I expect filmmakers to remember this sentiment when making something for their audience. Someone like Bong Joon Ho did for Parasite, someone like Bernardo Bertolucci didn't for 1900 (That film runs for 5hrs 17mins).
Didn't the Coen Brothers recently say that Big Lebowski is bad and they don't understand why so many people love it? Wonder what they'd think about this review.
@@luiginastro8831 Definitely and I'm not claiming it is bad. I'm more curious how they would react to a thoughtful, glowing review of the film. Maybe change their perspective a bit.
I cant believe that Adam out of all critics had nothing to say about how in Barbarian that little action scene at the end didn't make any physical sense. So he pushes the woman off the tower and the monster lady dives after and somehow lands underneath her to provide cushion of I guess skin and bones... It was really silly and ruined the movie for me.
@@willswain7144 Okay well ask Adam why he was concerned about the door holding the children in A Quiet Place even though there are literal aliens. A film can have an internal logic
@@willswain7144 Monster have always exited in film and don't really require much suspension of disbelief. Gravity not functioning as it should would actually have much larger implications in the world and a single ocurance of gravity not functioning as it should is even more bizzar.
I still laugh at lines like "You can imagine where goes from there." "He fixes the cable?". "He's on radford near the In N Out." "They have good burgers there, Walter" "Shut the F%^& up Donnie." "So, we'll go there after the what-have-you."
Honestly hearing that Henry Cavill left the Witcher because the writers didn’t respect the source material is THE most goated thing I’ve ever heard. Something that the LotR cast should’ve done
I don't know if that's true tbh. From what I've heard the source material is notoriously difficult to adapt because of the straight-face fairy tale parodies. Also I would hardly say Zack Snyder respected Superman as a character, but nobody thinks Cavill quit for the same reasons then. Honestly it just feels like fans who are pissed at not getting exactly what they want exaggerating things as usually.
What I also noticed in Big Lebowski: Jeff Bridges is supposed to be this "loser" but almost everyone he interacts with in his movie is an even bigger loser than him. They are just PRETENDING to be big shots.
Illustrator here. The reason artists wouldn't want an AI category on their website or in competitions is because they'd be competing with something that is using their stolen work to function. AI in other industries (Deep fakes, AI voices, AI music) is much more heavily regulated because those artists have better protection. AI art is being developed by people that don't respect artist's work. I say that because I've seen proponents and developers of AI art say shitty things about the artists that are asking them to stop using their work in AI datasets without permission. It does not learn like we do, because humans actually think about imagery that inspires us on multiple levels conceptually. There are often complex reasons why we might use another artists techniques, compositions, colors etc. AI does not think about the copyrighted images it's being fed, it simply smashes the raw visual information together. Also this bit is just a goopy opinion, but people that don't want to put in the time to learn how to make an image they want to exist are losing out on a really beautiful and fulfilling experience. It seems a lot worse to me to replace the process of experimenting with different mediums and techniques and mastering a skill with typing sillier and sillier strings of words together (in some cases for hours) until you get something kind of close to what you wanted but still a little fucked up. And if you don't want to or don't have the time, pay a human that did instead of using something that is stealing their work.
I'm a comic book artist and I don't support ai art tbh. There's already a lot of competition in our field and when I see someone who has never picked a pencil in his life makes a full fledged comic book with AI it gives me existential crisis. I should have just improved my vocabulary instead of practicing. Many of my friends have lost a lot of gigs due to writers using midjourney etc. I don't support A.I
The problem with adam's AI crediting suggestion is a misunderstanding of the scale of inputs used. People arent training their own nets with 10 images or so. Instead, they are using programs like DALLE and midjourney, which each have millions and millions of input images, potentially billions. They comb the internet for labelled images, and such a number of images is necessary for them to work. A neural net trained on only 10 images or so could never conjure images from prompts like the ones you are familiar with do.
I don't just think credit should be given by the way, I think artists should be able to opt out of their work being used to train the AI, and if that isnt possible then block the name from being used as a prompt. Some generators are already rolling this out afaik, I just think it'd be good if it was a mandatory thing for these AI generators.
Barbarian is very overrated imo. There were too many plot holes and the plot development felt forced. The first 20 minutes were promising, then it all went downhill from there. After the 2nd act it just felt like another generic splatter film.
As far Adam talking about making a debunk on the 2020 election conspiracy, or really making any long for political content that debunks misinfo- it's not about changing the minds of the crazies, because it's likely that nothing at all could ever change their mind. Instead, you put the facts out there publicly for all those who feel lost in the middle (which describes most people, especially in America). THAT is the goal of such content. Totally understand why Adam wouldn't feel up to the task to begin with, just wanted to throw my two cents in on the idea of anyone putting a political debunk video / channel in general. Anyways, glad I got to see Big Lebowski again. Hadn't seen it since I was a teen and now with my grand 22 year old brain I got WAY more out of the film this time around. Not just in it's structure, humor, performances, direction & so on, but I was actually picking up on some great little bits of political satire. A lot of that being found in Mr. Lebowski. His actions & attitude reminded me of just about every single American conservative politician lmao, then of course there's his daughter, the "feminist" artist, AKA not really adding anything to the conversation beyond the idea that vaginas exist lol. Both of them are amazing satirical representations of the general bourgeoisie. Fucking amazing movie.
I hope to be a concept artist, and I think that it's a job that requires a human to be effective, but at the rate that AI art is advancing, it's hard to know for sure
What Adam said about AI and wanting to see what the images where that inspired the result is a major problem in the "AI" world, because most models are black boxes. There is a whole subculture of research that investigates "interpretability" and "explainability" of machine learning. The way current "AI" models are built, makes it very difficult to see what training instances result in the final output. This becomes a huge issue when we look at its usage in cancer diagnosis for example. When it comes to life or death most people dont trust a machine they dont understand. So yeah, it is being worked on to see what went into a decision a model made (in this example: what images were used to create the final image), but models with a high interpretability also tend to perform poorer than its blackbox counterparts. All in all I think we live in a exiting time for this kind of research.
Folx who like high fantasy. My UNCLE and his wife loves the show. They love LotR movies but aren't huge Tolkien fans. So they get a lot out of it. Prolly a lot more of them than not.
I don't know, I think ROP looks real good in terms of putting its budget on the screen. I think the issue is that it feels like a fan fiction and it's so TRANSPARENT that even though I see the money they spent, it just is easy to see through.
Listen, there's bad sequels everywhere, but are there any more worthless than American Psycho 2? I can't fathom even thinking about it for 5 seconds let alone watching it through it's entirety.
The thing about most AI art rn: 1. It's always very obvious that the art piece is created by a computer. 2. If you want to create a very specific motif....you have to actually paint atop the AI piece.
Tbh I'm not too worried about AI images. At least not yet. It wasn't too long ago when we were laughing at Henry Cavill's upper lip. If movies can't even create an effective lip, how are they going to animate a whole, realistic body?
I think some movies are unnecessarily long - I've seen a bunch of movies this year at the cinema and even some movies I've enjoyed have felt like they've dragged on a bit. One real problem with movies getting really long is that in the cinema many people (especially people middle-aged and older) would not be able to last 3 hours without needing to go to the bathroom. And unlike at home you can't pause the movie for 5 minutes while you go tinkle.
I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone, I went into the rings of power blind and enjoyed it a lot. People online tell me I'm a literal idiot for enjoying it.
With Rings of Powe the fight scenes were cool, and there was some good one shotters like when the kid ran through his village, hiding from the orcs. The bits where it stood out in a good way was when the mum and kid fought that orc in the house, I liked that it felt gritty and more grounded then original trilogy, and the stuff in the orc prison/concentration camp were effective imo. But that's it for me, and the fact that they kept cutting from the concentration camp to the hobbits was so jarring to say the least.
So you guys talked about AI art in this episode, I'm here to say there's apparently a movie being made with a humanoid robot. At least that's what Hollywood reporter has said, her name is Erica and will appear in a SCI-FI movie about her origin story. Apparently the budget of the movie is said to be around 70 million dollars. If this is true this will be the first time an AI robot will star in a feature film, at least humanoid one. I wonder if the robot will have worker rights, and will she even get payed?
Doesn't Disney already have their movies fully storyboarded for pre-vis? Because of all the effects and whatnot? Pretty sure the directors just there to handle the actors..
DAVID LOWRY did the remake of PETES DRAGON for Disney and it’s fantastic. Very much a Disney movie but also very much a DL movie. Think BARRY JENKINS can pull it off! Especially since it’s an all new story and not an adaptation of an old film like the 2019 LION KING was.
The first time I drank alcohol was when I was 15 y/o - my friend and I just mixed strawberry vodka (stolen from his liquor cabinet) with half/half. We thought it was a White Russian lol.
My assumption is that maybe howard shore is too old to take on so much these days. But im not certain of that. he is 75 now though and always wrote all his music by hand with pencil and paper.
As an artist, I love AI art. It's a force multiplier for an artist or designer. I understand there are ethical concerns, but I believe there are ethical ways to use this technology.
It's like listening to 3 old grandma's. The awkward pauses, The minute long pondering. Guys. A bit more energy helps. Like I don't wanna ever watch a movie after you guys nonchalantly mumble about it for 20 minutes.
This episode feels like an outlier. Adum and Alex are usually a bit more energetic. Would not surprised if they had to record at odd schedules cause of film festivals happening and stuff. Ralph however is just straight up out of it compared to how excited he was the first 2 years of the podcast
I saw Barbarian at a theather with recliners while higher than giraffe sack on edibles and it was phenomenal. I ate 3 trays of pretzels and cheese. The ending was at least entertaining, but it did give me blue balls.
I'd like to say that I would love an election denial debunking video from adum even though it will probably never happen because he doesn't believe he would change minds. Although, I would like to state something that adum would say often in his yearly top ten videos, "If I can introduce you to at least one movie that you love then it's worth it and I've done my job." And with that philosophy of making a video even with that small amount of influence being considered a success, then I believe adum would be doing a great service to a country he doesn't live in if he made that video.
i find it so hard to listen to adum’s barbarian take lmao he is literally just talking about how the movie functioned more as a comedy film than a horror film and keeps counting that against the movie when it’s intentional! the horror is in the concept, the serial rapist with the sprawling dungeon, being captured by a senile and feral elderly woman, the designs and execution of the actual horror are largely irrelevant because the film isn’t focusing on it. it uses those concepts to tell its story, communicate its characters, and connect them to modern culture. it could be betty white with no prosthetics and that would be just as disturbing. it’s irrelevant though because the film is a comedy first and foremost. the concept of a literal barbarian cavewoman living in a network of tunnels under detroit is inherently funny, and the B horror edge is definitely there to service comedy before horror. every kill is just funny. they all come out of nowhere and are all punchlines.
Adam is not a B-MOVIE FAN. I just don't think he's a guy who has a perspective on the history of the genre and all the ways it can manifest. So he kind of sets his expectation for them and paste them on top. Like his review of THE BLACK PHONE. I don't love that movie, but even I found some of his critiques kind of overblown. And a lot of it was because he had no frame of reference for the era of horror that movie is calling back to (late 70s, early 80s) beyond the classics. "kids don't talk that way," IDK man, have you ever seen a movie from that period? A lot of them talk like they do in TBP. That's just one example. No critic is perfect and has blind spots. It's good to locate them and then be careful about how you take something they critique or recommend.
@@iansmart4158 yeah there are a lot of examples of that kinda thing just bothers me to hear criticisms from someone i respect that boil down to “why wasn’t it a different movie”. that said he’s introduced me to dozens of films i never would have heard of. double edged to say the least.
@@obscure.reference exactly. I find more value these days in his best of the year Keisha. Since those are all recommendation. But no critic is perfect. Even ones who’s taste you align with will say something stupid or unfounded
if youre gonna call the tablet AI assisted then you may as well keep going down and call carbon atoms AI assisted too. idk why adam talks about AI like it's an entity that has an inherent right to making art lol.
Spoiler for Rings of Power I guess but who really cares at this point. Something that really astounds me that the writers thought would be good to include is having the audience believe that Isildur may have died in the aftermath of the volcanic eruption. Do they honestly expect anyone to believe that Isildur could actually be dead when even casual viewers would know couldn't happen without permanently fucking up the entire Lord of the Rings canon? If it isn't meant to be a surprise and is meant to serve some purpose as an emotional core between Isildur and Elendil then wouldn't it be better if you spent more time developing those characters so they don't come across as shallow both individually and together? I genuinely don't understand the point of it. Either we're supposed to be shocked by the twist that Isildur is actually alive when we know that has to happen for the rest of the story to take place, or we're supposed to have some sort of emotional climax from Isildur and Elendil reuniting later on when they haven't done a good job of setting up that payoff to begin with.
Timestamps!
0:00 Intro
1:37 American Psycho 2
4:36 Weird movie technology news
12:48 DC Universe changes
18:58 Barbarian (spoilers)
31:55 The Big Lebowski (spoilers)
1:05:40 Rings of Power (spoilers)
1:27:00 Pizza Time! I mean Question Time!
1:27:13 Does a movie’s length factor into your rating?
1:30:55 What are some non-film topics you would make videos about?
1:42:56 Thoughts on the Lion King prequel developments?
1:49:48 Adam recommends The Revenant
Thanks boys! Happy Shrek the Sixth
Legend
They really should put that in themself, so weird not to. Thanks.
@@user-ll9fb5kv6b Ehh, I like doing it 😎
Adam is recommending The Revenant for next week? Holy crap what a coincidence cause the Spanish TV Station "UniMas" announced they're playing it on TV this Sunday.
I feel like they are getting a lot of grief for being awkward or tired but like they live in three parts of the world. I feel one of them is always gonna be off just from if being a vastly different part of their day. I love this podcast and sometimes it's a lot more fun and sometimes it's a great conversation. They always push me to watch and expand my movie taste and views. Keep up the great work
Actually, Adum and Ralph are in the same time zone (Vancouver and LA respectively) so the only one with a massive time differential is Alex.
I honestly couldnt care less if one is tired one day. I just like listening to the chats about movies, even when i disagree.
@@craigmurdock4740 same 🔥
My favorite line from Big Lebowski is when they’re watching the porn, and Julianne Moore goes, “You can probably imagine what happens next.” And The Dude goes, “They fix the cable?”
Johnson?
“The plot is absurd”
Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey
I love it, he’s so naive and absent-minded
Been listening since 2016 and have to say that every episode of this feels like you guys are meeting for the first time, love it.
that is simply impossible as the podcast didnt have its debut episode until feb 12 2018, so unless you have a time machine you could not have been watching this podcast in 2016
@@liquidchris3363 wrote this late at night
The Big Lebowski is one of the few Sardonicast recommendations to inspire its own religion
The only one aside from Madagascar to do so
Big Lebowski is one of those movies that's so dialog based you don't even realize how funny it is.
A friend recently watched it for the first time and thought, 'yeah, it was alright' but then as we were quoting parts he eventually said about 30 references in, 'okay, maybe that movie was fucking funny.'
My favorite part is probably when Dude is talking to Big Lebowski in front of the fireplace and asks if he can light his joint and big Lebowski is so distraught he lets him. Idk why but I just love that part.
'Her life is in your hands, Dude.... Her life is in your hands...'
It's one of the only comedies that gets funnier every time you watch it
“Some chinaman took them from me in Korea” is my favorite 😂
Adam always has the most energy out of everyone. And I've been listening since day one
In Alex's defence, he is British
because he's the only one who enjoys doing it
Big Lebowski is one of my favorite movies, definitely my favorite "feel good" movie. Watched like a dozen times, will continue to watch it.... Just love the humor, the dialogues, the settings, the cinematography, the music... so perfect!
So glad your talking about this classic! Such a hilarious genre defiying film. I took it like the films universe itself wants to take The Dude through this crazy, extravagant story. But he doesn’t need all that extra noise, all he wants to do is get his rug back, and go bawling. Even his dreams show us just how content he is with his simple life.
“The Dude abides.”
18:07 “Luke Hemsworth, Brother of Thor” sounds like a movie title itsef
I also live for those horribly awkward movie discussion introductions such as the one @ 18:57.
Ok first, why would Patrick Bateman being the edge lord he is ever babysit? Second, how would a child be able to take him down when grown ass men couldn’t even do that?
He kills the babysitter and then just dies offscreen with a bad stock scream.
@@etgohome1343 that still makes no sense, he’s not Richard Ramirez he doesn’t break into places to carry out his kills.
@@Gh0stily111 Yeah, not disagreeing but it's just not worth talking about at the end of the day it's probably the most worthless movie I've ever seen lol
@@etgohome1343 I know, I know, I’ve never seen it but I know enough to know that you’re right about that, lmao.
Its hilarious that Rings of Power is literally the most expensive tv show ever made yet so few people are actually watching it imao.
Just like pirates of the Caribbean On Stranger Tides
Have you looked at the Nielsen ratings? People are watching it
@@davidkippy101 They might be watching but NO ONE is talking about it besides people ripping it to pieces. I've never watched past ep 4 of HotD but I can tell you a good chunk of what happens simply by people talking and discussing it online, no one is doing that with RoP
Apparently the show isn’t even based on the Silmalrillion? But rather on a few small appendices? That’s barely much to based an adaptation on
@@davidkippy101 "First 2 episodes reached 25 million views worldwide." But it's reported even weeks after the 8th episode, it still hasn't cracked 100 million.
Petition to have jim "the beast" beltman on the show, we had adums bro we need the beast
Ralph bringing up Henry Cavill leaving the Witcher twice was utterly amazing. He's like a goldfish.
Never change.
yo ralph lay off the xans my guy jesus
Holy shit Ralph sounds like he just wants to go to sleep lol.
It really feels like the discussion of politics has shifted from pitching your ideals for helping society, to just winning arguments and shitting on the other side above all costs so you can get your rep to sit on the chair and do nothing important for their term.
Ralph couldn't spare a single fuck about ai art
You can't always be highly invested in every topic
@@luiginastro8831 "high(ly)" being the keyword here.
Ralph can't spare a single fuck about anything these days.
As an artist the reason why I support websites banning AI-art for now is because the way it is spammed on sites like Pixiv / Deviantart is insane.
The " new art " feed is heavily outweighed by AI. If you're an amateur artist you have no way to be seen in that feed. ( It was already hard before, but now it's near impossible )
Many of these AI-profiles are spitting out like 20+ higher-than-average-user-in-terms-of-quality-images PER DAY.
Even if you are a quick artist and churn 1 image out every day you're being absolutely drowned out by all the AI generated content. And in 3 years the tech will certainly have fixed shit like bad hands etc so being able to tell what's what will be impossible.
If AI work wasn't just a tag but it's seperate category kinda like 2 different tabs I suppose it could work... But right now you can barely use DA/Pixiv anymore if you're looking for new art made by actual humans using their drawing skill lol.
This is coming for music too 100%. Imagine if soundcloud etc started being drowned out by AI-music at a 10-1 ratio ... That'd be a problem in my mind.
Me typing " Sad violin " as a prompt to generate a song doesnt mean I should be uploading said track to a site with actual musiscians sharing their songs. Even if I told it to " Have a drum solo " and " End with fireworks " to make it more custom-made.
That's what AI art feels like right now.
And there is a grey-zone where AI can be used to create art in a way that feels less scummy the same way people can use photobashing to create art with stock photos etc. It's just tough to nail down where the line is of human authorship VS the machine authorship. Especially in the future when the generators will be able to create near perfect images/music without much custom fiddling from the user whatsoever.
Those are my views on the whole thing and why I think banning AI art from art-sites right now isn't a bad idea at all. And if allowed later on it should be it's distinct category and not share the same feed. The same way you have writing/music/visual arts in seperate categories on a site like FurAffinity. ( Which I imagine is the site Adam is referring to. )
The Revenant is one of my favorite movies ever so I'm really excited for next episode!
I saw the Big Lebowski very recently and I was already wondering when you guys were going to make an episode about it.
i went in thinking the comments were exaggerating but ralph said about 15 words the whole podcast lmao
Wow 125 episodes really took it's toll on their enthusiasm! Were they heavily sedated during the recording, or is it always like this now?
The question section was especially painful to listen to
All three of these guys are has-beens. They lost their enthusiasm for youtube like 7 years ago
They live in 3 different time zones so I imagine getting everyone to be hyped at the same time would be hard work
it's always like this now
@@EddyOfTheMaelstromAdams arguably as relevant as ever, his big videos just take a long time
Great podcast Adam and Alex!
my thoughts exactly
The funniest part of Barbarian is when Justin Long is walking past all the cages which implies the most fucked up shit imaginable and it fascinates him, but then he gets visibly disgusted by the breast-feeding video. Perfect encapsulation of his character.
Adum yelling about brain rot makes my brain rot hurt less.
I just remember the audience of Barbarian being really engaged.
Then the ending happened and it's like the theater deflated.
I loved the ending, it was the cherry on this wierd ass pie
@@returnalnocturnal7729 Exactly. also SMILE had such a great ending!
They should make an episode where they’re all smoking weed and skateboarding
@@cokemaster3710 it’s been confirmed that Adam & Alex are the ones that do the weed, still makes sense 😂
The Dude abides.
I don’t know about you, but I take comfort in that.
Adam’s joke about Airbnb followed by 4 seconds of silence and then an ad break was priceless 😂
I love that Steve Buscemi's character in the big lebowski has his own miniature story arc that's completely disconnected from everything else going on. The night he dies, of a random heart attack, is the only time in the movie that he doesn't bowl a strike. Whenever you think this movie has run out of things to give, you're wrong.
Well, Adum, another thing you forgot, a couple episodes ago, you didn't talk about "The Rehearsal" with the boys, please considering doing :D
I always feel like everyone is afraid to step on eachother talking. I wish they would get on video chat so you can tell cues like that easier. It's so much easier to have a conversation when you can see someone. We don't have to ever see it, but it would help their conversation feel so much smoother IMO.
yeah I've always found it weird that their rapport is still so awkward despite recording 125 episodes now. that might help to make it less awkward.
hasnt always felt like that imo
@@maxis4343 Just a tiny bit. It doesn't ruin the show for me or anything. I just notice it once in a while
I’m growing suspicious on whether or not they’re intentionally trying to keep the awkwardness.
@@3babylon3 they definitely play into that though. It’s one of my favorite parts of sardonicast lmao
The first time I watched the Big Lebowski I didn't get what the hype was. I thought it was just average. Then one day it was just on TV in the background and something clicked. It's so easy to miss all the little details. I've probably seen in 13 of 14 times now
Same, it’s a movie I think you need to see multiple times to fully appreciate. You need to approach it on its own terms and just sort of go with the flow. Kinda like the Dude himself.
When Bunny says "Brad can't watch" and Brad laughs, I can't not notice the way PSH flares his nostrils.
the first time I went to LA I took a walk down to see the tiny house that the character of The Dude lived in, it was exactly as weird in real life as it was in the movie.
Burn After Reading is definitely their tonal follow up to The Big Lebowski in a lot of ways.
I saw an instance on twitter of a twitch streamer who had their WIP piece screenshotted off of stream and ran through an AI art website and then rendered and posted online hours before the original artist finished their piece, and I find that extremely shitty honestly
When it comes to run times on films, each one has to justify their length to me. Magnolia is a 3hr film that warrants its run time, I never find myself bored with it what with the multiple intersecting stories. Then there's something like IT Part 2. At 3hrs, it's just repeating a lot of the same stuff throughout. You start to realise what was the point of them coming back to Derry as adults. Couldn't they have just resolved this stuff as kids?
Lengthy run times also kind of factor into my schedule. I have to pick what day I'm going to watch a long film because I don't like to be interrupted while watching something (It breaks the immersion for me or makes me forget specific plot points depending on how long I was taken away from). A Sunday is usually my go-to day since I don't have any visitors, dinner to make, or no shift to report into. I get so many hours to myself, I don't want someone wasting my time with inane crap.
I abide by a motto in life: _"Act like my time is valuable"_ . I expect filmmakers to remember this sentiment when making something for their audience. Someone like Bong Joon Ho did for Parasite, someone like Bernardo Bertolucci didn't for 1900 (That film runs for 5hrs 17mins).
@@cokemaster3710 It also repeats that formula in the climax. Only this time it’s The Losers confronting their past trauma and dealing with it.
Didn't the Coen Brothers recently say that Big Lebowski is bad and they don't understand why so many people love it? Wonder what they'd think about this review.
The authors of a work fiction not liking their own creation doesn't mean that said thing is bad by default.
@@luiginastro8831 Definitely and I'm not claiming it is bad. I'm more curious how they would react to a thoughtful, glowing review of the film. Maybe change their perspective a bit.
Source ?
I cant believe that Adam out of all critics had nothing to say about how in Barbarian that little action scene at the end didn't make any physical sense. So he pushes the woman off the tower and the monster lady dives after and somehow lands underneath her to provide cushion of I guess skin and bones... It was really silly and ruined the movie for me.
Weird how the function of gravity is where you drew the line in the sand, not the gigantic mutated super-strength woman lol.
@@willswain7144 Okay well ask Adam why he was concerned about the door holding the children in A Quiet Place even though there are literal aliens. A film can have an internal logic
@@willswain7144 Monster have always exited in film and don't really require much suspension of disbelief. Gravity not functioning as it should would actually have much larger implications in the world and a single ocurance of gravity not functioning as it should is even more bizzar.
I still laugh at lines like "You can imagine where goes from there." "He fixes the cable?". "He's on radford near the In N Out." "They have good burgers there, Walter" "Shut the F%^& up Donnie." "So, we'll go there after the what-have-you."
yea, and..
'wheres the money lebowski, wheres the moneYY?'
.. It's uh... uh... it's down there somewhere, let me take another look.
"Hey careful man! There's a beverage here!"
I saw a car in L.A. with bumper sticker that said "Mark it 8, dude"
@@coreyweber2340 should of high fived them.. wrote 'em a check for 67 cents
If they don’t call it “the big lawboyski” like dasdy derek the whole time I’m suing
The Big Lebwiski
The big Lewinsky
Honestly hearing that Henry Cavill left the Witcher because the writers didn’t respect the source material is THE most goated thing I’ve ever heard. Something that the LotR cast should’ve done
I don't think anyone in Rings cast is a geek or fantasy genre fan of any kind like Cavill. They don't care about lore more than about their paychecks.
I've been pretty neutral on his performances but this made me respect him a lot. Seems like barely anyone in the industry has principles or values.
@@officialkidwizard it's just entertainment, if you don't like it get over it and move on from it
@@returnalnocturnal7729 Lol I am sure that is what you do
I don't know if that's true tbh. From what I've heard the source material is notoriously difficult to adapt because of the straight-face fairy tale parodies.
Also I would hardly say Zack Snyder respected Superman as a character, but nobody thinks Cavill quit for the same reasons then.
Honestly it just feels like fans who are pissed at not getting exactly what they want exaggerating things as usually.
What I also noticed in Big Lebowski: Jeff Bridges is supposed to be this "loser" but almost everyone he interacts with in his movie is an even bigger loser than him. They are just PRETENDING to be big shots.
Illustrator here. The reason artists wouldn't want an AI category on their website or in competitions is because they'd be competing with something that is using their stolen work to function. AI in other industries (Deep fakes, AI voices, AI music) is much more heavily regulated because those artists have better protection. AI art is being developed by people that don't respect artist's work. I say that because I've seen proponents and developers of AI art say shitty things about the artists that are asking them to stop using their work in AI datasets without permission.
It does not learn like we do, because humans actually think about imagery that inspires us on multiple levels conceptually. There are often complex reasons why we might use another artists techniques, compositions, colors etc. AI does not think about the copyrighted images it's being fed, it simply smashes the raw visual information together.
Also this bit is just a goopy opinion, but people that don't want to put in the time to learn how to make an image they want to exist are losing out on a really beautiful and fulfilling experience. It seems a lot worse to me to replace the process of experimenting with different mediums and techniques and mastering a skill with typing sillier and sillier strings of words together (in some cases for hours) until you get something kind of close to what you wanted but still a little fucked up. And if you don't want to or don't have the time, pay a human that did instead of using something that is stealing their work.
I'm a comic book artist and I don't support ai art tbh. There's already a lot of competition in our field and when I see someone who has never picked a pencil in his life makes a full fledged comic book with AI it gives me existential crisis. I should have just improved my vocabulary instead of practicing. Many of my friends have lost a lot of gigs due to writers using midjourney etc. I don't support A.I
The problem with adam's AI crediting suggestion is a misunderstanding of the scale of inputs used. People arent training their own nets with 10 images or so. Instead, they are using programs like DALLE and midjourney, which each have millions and millions of input images, potentially billions. They comb the internet for labelled images, and such a number of images is necessary for them to work. A neural net trained on only 10 images or so could never conjure images from prompts like the ones you are familiar with do.
I don't just think credit should be given by the way, I think artists should be able to opt out of their work being used to train the AI, and if that isnt possible then block the name from being used as a prompt. Some generators are already rolling this out afaik, I just think it'd be good if it was a mandatory thing for these AI generators.
Their take on Barbarian makes me wonder if I was too harsh on it. I didn’t hate it, but I didn’t think any of the elements meshed well together.
Nah. I still hate that movie and will not be gaslit by anyone into thinking it’s good
I thought it was one of the better horror movies this year. Was there any horror movies that came out this year that you thought was solid?
@@joshsny143 Bodies Bodies Bodies, Nope, X, and Pearl are all better imo
@@mattgreen3714 L
Barbarian is very overrated imo. There were too many plot holes and the plot development felt forced. The first 20 minutes were promising, then it all went downhill from there. After the 2nd act it just felt like another generic splatter film.
As far Adam talking about making a debunk on the 2020 election conspiracy, or really making any long for political content that debunks misinfo- it's not about changing the minds of the crazies, because it's likely that nothing at all could ever change their mind. Instead, you put the facts out there publicly for all those who feel lost in the middle (which describes most people, especially in America). THAT is the goal of such content.
Totally understand why Adam wouldn't feel up to the task to begin with, just wanted to throw my two cents in on the idea of anyone putting a political debunk video / channel in general.
Anyways, glad I got to see Big Lebowski again. Hadn't seen it since I was a teen and now with my grand 22 year old brain I got WAY more out of the film this time around. Not just in it's structure, humor, performances, direction & so on, but I was actually picking up on some great little bits of political satire. A lot of that being found in Mr. Lebowski. His actions & attitude reminded me of just about every single American conservative politician lmao, then of course there's his daughter, the "feminist" artist, AKA not really adding anything to the conversation beyond the idea that vaginas exist lol. Both of them are amazing satirical representations of the general bourgeoisie. Fucking amazing movie.
I hope to be a concept artist, and I think that it's a job that requires a human to be effective, but at the rate that AI art is advancing, it's hard to know for sure
there will always be a market for human creativity - AI isn't that advanced yet, it still needs human input to some degree! go pursue your dreams!
@@OFFICIALBrawl for now, it's evolving very fast.
You’re the best show you’re the best podcast. yms adum you put in so much effort into everything you do, thank you
What Adam said about AI and wanting to see what the images where that inspired the result is a major problem in the "AI" world, because most models are black boxes.
There is a whole subculture of research that investigates "interpretability" and "explainability" of machine learning. The way current "AI" models are built, makes it very difficult to see what training instances result in the final output. This becomes a huge issue when we look at its usage in cancer diagnosis for example. When it comes to life or death most people dont trust a machine they dont understand.
So yeah, it is being worked on to see what went into a decision a model made (in this example: what images were used to create the final image), but models with a high interpretability also tend to perform poorer than its blackbox counterparts.
All in all I think we live in a exiting time for this kind of research.
I feel like the Deadpool joke of the director being an "overpaid tool" applies somewhat to RoP.
Rings of Power’s writing is like fan fiction but without the fan part, I really wonder who they were trying to appeal to.
Folx who like high fantasy. My UNCLE and his wife loves the show. They love LotR movies but aren't huge Tolkien fans. So they get a lot out of it. Prolly a lot more of them than not.
I don't know, I think ROP looks real good in terms of putting its budget on the screen. I think the issue is that it feels like a fan fiction and it's so TRANSPARENT that even though I see the money they spent, it just is easy to see through.
The thumbnail has a ring in the middle that's so SICK XD
You should get Vito Gesualdi as a guest. Especially to talk about Black Adum.
Listen, there's bad sequels everywhere, but are there any more worthless than American Psycho 2? I can't fathom even thinking about it for 5 seconds let alone watching it through it's entirety.
The thing about most AI art rn:
1. It's always very obvious that the art piece is created by a computer.
2. If you want to create a very specific motif....you have to actually paint atop the AI piece.
I can think of a little movie set in Detroit. You may have heard of it. It’s called ROBOCOP???
Tbh I'm not too worried about AI images. At least not yet. It wasn't too long ago when we were laughing at Henry Cavill's upper lip. If movies can't even create an effective lip, how are they going to animate a whole, realistic body?
Not to crash your party but this tech moves astonishingly fast
"You said it mon, ya don't fuck with de jesus"
you guys should watch the entire Cube franchise
I think some movies are unnecessarily long - I've seen a bunch of movies this year at the cinema and even some movies I've enjoyed have felt like they've dragged on a bit.
One real problem with movies getting really long is that in the cinema many people (especially people middle-aged and older) would not be able to last 3 hours without needing to go to the bathroom. And unlike at home you can't pause the movie for 5 minutes while you go tinkle.
On Coen movies you discussed, there's also the Madagascar trilogy
"This is our concern, dude"
Good works lad -Dan
I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone, I went into the rings of power blind and enjoyed it a lot. People online tell me I'm a literal idiot for enjoying it.
I feel like big budget movies have had way longer run time movies like The Batman DO NOT NEED TO BE 3 HOURS!!!
With Rings of Powe the fight scenes were cool, and there was some good one shotters like when the kid ran through his village, hiding from the orcs. The bits where it stood out in a good way was when the mum and kid fought that orc in the house, I liked that it felt gritty and more grounded then original trilogy, and the stuff in the orc prison/concentration camp were effective imo. But that's it for me, and the fact that they kept cutting from the concentration camp to the hobbits was so jarring to say the least.
So you guys talked about AI art in this episode, I'm here to say there's apparently a movie being made with a humanoid robot.
At least that's what Hollywood reporter has said, her name is Erica and will appear in a SCI-FI movie about her origin story. Apparently the budget of the movie is said to be around 70 million dollars.
If this is true this will be the first time an AI robot will star in a feature film, at least humanoid one.
I wonder if the robot will have worker rights, and will she even get payed?
The questions keep getting worse honestly
Doesn't Disney already have their movies fully storyboarded for pre-vis? Because of all the effects and whatnot? Pretty sure the directors just there to handle the actors..
DAVID LOWRY did the remake of PETES DRAGON for Disney and it’s fantastic. Very much a Disney movie but also very much a DL movie.
Think BARRY JENKINS can pull it off! Especially since it’s an all new story and not an adaptation of an old film like the 2019 LION KING was.
This aggression will not stand, man.
The first time I drank alcohol was when I was 15 y/o - my friend and I just mixed strawberry vodka (stolen from his liquor cabinet) with half/half. We thought it was a White Russian lol.
My assumption is that maybe howard shore is too old to take on so much these days. But im not certain of that. he is 75 now though and always wrote all his music by hand with pencil and paper.
Gotta make the guys watch Whitest Kids U Know, (at the very least, their “Civil War on Drugs” movie).
Greatest sketch comedy show of all time
WKUK goat of goats for all goaternity (though I also love Kids In the Hall).
As an artist, I love AI art. It's a force multiplier for an artist or designer. I understand there are ethical concerns, but I believe there are ethical ways to use this technology.
American psycho isn't a sequel it was only called that to get people to see it in theaters
It's like listening to 3 old grandma's. The awkward pauses, The minute long pondering.
Guys. A bit more energy helps. Like I don't wanna ever watch a movie after you guys nonchalantly mumble about it for 20 minutes.
Then stop paying them on patreon.
1.5 times speed ;)
This episode feels like an outlier. Adum and Alex are usually a bit more energetic. Would not surprised if they had to record at odd schedules cause of film festivals happening and stuff. Ralph however is just straight up out of it compared to how excited he was the first 2 years of the podcast
Idk about you guys but I REALLY want to hear Adum’s opinion on Halo 2, especially considering that the common opinion of it is the exact opposite
I saw Barbarian at a theather with recliners while higher than giraffe sack on edibles and it was phenomenal. I ate 3 trays of pretzels and cheese.
The ending was at least entertaining, but it did give me blue balls.
I'd like to say that I would love an election denial debunking video from adum even though it will probably never happen because he doesn't believe he would change minds.
Although, I would like to state something that adum would say often in his yearly top ten videos, "If I can introduce you to at least one movie that you love then it's worth it and I've done my job." And with that philosophy of making a video even with that small amount of influence being considered a success, then I believe adum would be doing a great service to a country he doesn't live in if he made that video.
It’s not on Spotify yet again guys 😫
1:08:40 YMS Mdavi Sunder arc begins
No Banshees of Inisherin discussion?
I'd love Adum doing a video on Antkind
Before trilogy recommendation when?
Wow dude, Mor-Dor!
Why is #125 uploaded to RUclips before Spotify? Is it because y’all get ad revenue from RUclips and not Spotify?
1:37 thank you papa Adum XD
I am the walrus
Barbarian was the best film Forest Whittaker has ever been apart of.
Wow, the score for ROP is the best thing about it
i find it so hard to listen to adum’s barbarian take lmao he is literally just talking about how the movie functioned more as a comedy film than a horror film and keeps counting that against the movie when it’s intentional! the horror is in the concept, the serial rapist with the sprawling dungeon, being captured by a senile and feral elderly woman, the designs and execution of the actual horror are largely irrelevant because the film isn’t focusing on it. it uses those concepts to tell its story, communicate its characters, and connect them to modern culture. it could be betty white with no prosthetics and that would be just as disturbing. it’s irrelevant though because the film is a comedy first and foremost. the concept of a literal barbarian cavewoman living in a network of tunnels under detroit is inherently funny, and the B horror edge is definitely there to service comedy before horror. every kill is just funny. they all come out of nowhere and are all punchlines.
Adam is not a B-MOVIE FAN. I just don't think he's a guy who has a perspective on the history of the genre and all the ways it can manifest. So he kind of sets his expectation for them and paste them on top.
Like his review of THE BLACK PHONE. I don't love that movie, but even I found some of his critiques kind of overblown. And a lot of it was because he had no frame of reference for the era of horror that movie is calling back to (late 70s, early 80s) beyond the classics. "kids don't talk that way," IDK man, have you ever seen a movie from that period? A lot of them talk like they do in TBP. That's just one example.
No critic is perfect and has blind spots. It's good to locate them and then be careful about how you take something they critique or recommend.
@@iansmart4158 yeah there are a lot of examples of that kinda thing just bothers me to hear criticisms from someone i respect that boil down to “why wasn’t it a different movie”. that said he’s introduced me to dozens of films i never would have heard of. double edged to say the least.
@@obscure.reference exactly. I find more value these days in his best of the year Keisha. Since those are all recommendation.
But no critic is perfect. Even ones who’s taste you align with will say something stupid or unfounded
Adam is a clown 🤡
WARRIOR "DUDE" GALADRRIEL!! 🗡💪😈
if youre gonna call the tablet AI assisted then you may as well keep going down and call carbon atoms AI assisted too. idk why adam talks about AI like it's an entity that has an inherent right to making art lol.
Spoiler for Rings of Power I guess but who really cares at this point.
Something that really astounds me that the writers thought would be good to include is having the audience believe that Isildur may have died in the aftermath of the volcanic eruption. Do they honestly expect anyone to believe that Isildur could actually be dead when even casual viewers would know couldn't happen without permanently fucking up the entire Lord of the Rings canon? If it isn't meant to be a surprise and is meant to serve some purpose as an emotional core between Isildur and Elendil then wouldn't it be better if you spent more time developing those characters so they don't come across as shallow both individually and together?
I genuinely don't understand the point of it. Either we're supposed to be shocked by the twist that Isildur is actually alive when we know that has to happen for the rest of the story to take place, or we're supposed to have some sort of emotional climax from Isildur and Elendil reuniting later on when they haven't done a good job of setting up that payoff to begin with.