Exactly. There's more content to actually watch and learn. Nobody wants a disaster themselves, but i'd rather watch this than somebody just showing off their cool car.
I'm a certified Fisker Karma and Revero tech and have fixed hundreds of these cars. Honestly if you need help with parts and how to fix these, let me know. Almost all the issues are pretty easy to fix
I was going to say I know that they were fixing these even years after the bankruptcy. I'm assuming they still are. He should just take it to them or find people like you
Didn’t he actually set up a company to convert some? He probably didn’t touch the infotainment system. Least investment, highest return fever nightmare.
I live in Finland, I was driving a taxi when Fisker started to build those here, so the car was on the news for a period of time. I was talking cars with this sweet older woman. She knew somewhat of much about cars. Well we happen to roll up to a traffic lights right next to a Fisker Karma. The old lady said .. "Oh, look it´s a Fister .. " do you know how hard it is to keep a straight face for 6 kilometers (3,75 miles)? After that I had a bit of a laughing session.
The CIU (center screen computer) is probably halfway dead due to water ingress around the cabin air filter seal. This was a huge problem with these cars and the entire drainage system was modified when Karma Automotive brought them back in 2018.
No joke.... there is a homeless person living out of one of these where I live. I like to imagine he was a successful person bankrupt by the terrible decision to buy a Karma.
True...but the biggest issue appears to be the entertainment system? Not something complicated or new in any sense. Still like you said not surprised lmao
Tyler discovering why they went bankrupt. I'll never forget going to the dealer to see one, and they wouldn't let me touch the $220k Karma. They wanted me to put down a $15k deposit before I could drive it. It really was perfume on a pig. It an expensive Chevy Volt, but the Volt was light years better.
I remember seeing one while vacationing in California circa 2012. They were brand new. It was such a stunningly beautiful design back in 2012. I had no clue what it was, but the owner was very friendly and also willing to answer any questions.
My grandfather was pretty wealthy and lived in a community with tons of other luxury cars in Boyton Beach. Lots of 7 series, S class, Bentley and the occasional Rolls. When this car was brand new I was in the Boynton Beach mall with him. We saw it in a beautiful metallic brown karma revero from across the mall. My grandfather called the dealer (Lamborgini of West Palm Beach). Upon arriving, he ignored the beautiful green Aventador S that Marques Brownlee was filming with (episode 2 of auto focus). After ignoring many other Lamborginis, he walked right past a Porsche 918, thinking nothing of it, until he saw the Brown Karma Revero. The cool factor was through the roof, everywhere he went people asked what it was! That's in West Palm Beach too! He loved the car in every way. He barely needed gas between the hybrid and how little he drove lol. He paid ~$1,000/m on a lease because they couldn't give them away if they tried at the time. The only issue he ever had during ownership (because he barely drove) was a valet crushed the radiator and a few other front end components. All of which were basically made to order at this point. Between damage and lost time, the insurance claim basically paid for the whole lease. He was so happy. He contemplated buying it after the lease because he loved it so much. THANKFULLY he did not. Great memories with the Fisker Karma! Still a sh*tbox though.
Yep, Lamborghini dealer here in Michigan had them for sale too, really cool looking car, still very cool looking car. Fisker great at design, bad at making cars. LOL
A customer of mine at a pizza job I had years ago had one of these. He was one of the earliest supporters and he regretted every single second of it. If you asked him about the car and what it was you had better be prepared for at least 5 minutes of "This company sucks and has screwed me ever since I got it"
And now they are back from insolvency again with a slightly different name trying to sell more half-baked garbage. Glad it looks like once again they will be going down the gurgler soon.
@@therationalistparty9742 As poorly made as Tesla's are, and as poor as their after sales support is - they are at least reasonably functional as transport - the Fisker really never was - and the new ones are more of the same apparently.
@@therationalistparty9742 Tesla is the bestselling car brand in several countries and I love mine never had any issues. have had many luxury cars from shitty new jaguars to bmws and Tesla and Mercedes are the best. I do love my 16 land cruiser and 08 range rover supercharged but they are a waste of gas these days. Tesla Full self driving is also amazing. but if you have never owned one you should not comment what do you know.
I'm not so sure about that. He just spent $8500 on repairs and it still isn't fixed plus probably lost about $90,000 on depreciation. But I am sure he was happy to get rid of it!
After spending over $200k new and only putting 16k miles on it over a 21 year period then selling it for $20k? Yeah, I don't think he was skipping anywhere... Lol
That Fisker specialist in the philly suburbs is like 5 mins from my house, just down the block from my detailer. Any time I'm in the area it's not unusual to see a Fisker rolling around, whereas usually I never see them. Met some of the guys who work there at a car meet, cool group!
This is what I was thinking, it seems like it might just be a bad GUI issue. There is a gray bar sticking straight up, I'm thinking if you try to "spin" that around the center "wheel" it might work? Though it might not be responsive enough for any of that
It s showing 0 degrees F for the outside temp. Looks like the ambient temperature sensor is malfunctioning, preventing the auto climate control from working. Common problem with modern European cars.
What’s interesting about the Karma is that it was designed by Henrik FIsker the around the same time that Tesla had hired him for designing what would be the Model S, only for him to design them an egg. Tesla even sued him for purposely designing an egg, because they saw how beautiful the Karma was.
All I could focus on for the entire video was the fact that the front end has been resprayed and repainted. The passenger headlight is also misaligned and has a huge gap there. Hopefully the title reflects this and I just missed Tyler mentioning it
About 7 years ago I did some valet work at an uptown high-rise in Dallas, TX. One of the residents owned a full-electric Fisker Karma and I had the chance to park it a couple times. The design and drive system were a bit weird to get used to, but it was sort of a cool car. At the very least, it's not like anything else out there! It's the only one I've ever seen in person.
You mean the owner was intentionally out of the country to avoid having to be present when the new owner (Hoovie) showed to pick up the piece of junk. He left the warehouse picker on charge of the hand off. LMAO
I unfortunately have first hand experience on working on these cars as a mechanic. We maintained one that was sold by us when it was like a year or two old with around 30k km's on the odometer. That customer drove it for 7 to 8 years and racked up the kilometers to 280k. I think we have replaced every component on that vehicle several times. What a terrible cars are these, still gives me headaches to this day.
That seemed so obvious when I was watching it. All the other buttons worked when he touched them. Maybe this is him making a problem where there isn't one for the clicks.
Please bring back switches and knobs. I still remember the wonderful tactile feeling of the variable speed switch in a 1987 Acura legend. And the satisfying click and IMMEDIATE response of the directional indicator that gave me the options of where the air went. The problematic and expensive infotainment bullshit that controls everything is a horrible idea. It's not luxury when the AC doesn't work because the touch screen is broken and will cost 4 grand to fix it.
Probably never coming back. Every car needs a giant screen due to the backup camera mandate "anything for safety!!!!!!" and even then, like your directional, most physical buttons will be controlled by a computer. Buy older cars and fix them, people balk at spending $20k fixing up an old car but will spend $40k to buy a new one that won't last as long... My 86 F150 does only what I tell it to. Manual transmission, manual 4x4 locking hubs, manual brakes, manual crank windows, and no nav system. My 2010 Yaris is similar with crank windows, manual mirrors, manual climate control, no remote control locks...I would gladly sink another $10k in it for new engine and transmission if they go out!
@@randomvideosn0whereI have a backup camera. It doesn’t need a giant screen. Infotainment centers are great but controls for volume and climate control need to be tactile for safety. Yes anything for safety when it comes to car design and that’s why we need tactile switches back. You could control everything without looking up from the road. The issue isn’t some backup camera mandate man. As tech progresses so should our safety standards. If they didn’t we would still have cars like the 50s. Solid and built like a tank but killed people because it didn’t have any crunch zones. It would transfer all the energy from the crash to the people inside instead of absorbing it. When we knew how to prevent that we made it mandatory. When we know better we do better. Same with backup cameras, though that’s pretty old tech anyway, they’ve been around forever companies just liked charging more for it in their luxury packages or whatever. They didn’t have giant screens that controlled everything. They don’t need it. No your beef is with companies like Tesla, though they aren’t the only one . They do something and everyone copies them and the giant screens look nice. That’s the only reason they are a thing. If they fall in popularity, and they will, they will stop making them.
Fisker was about 4 miles away. I saw employees driving them everyday from 2010 until they closed. I saw sagging headliners, panel gaps, and parts falling off.
Touch and hold the grey bar at the top of the fan circle and drag it clockwise around the circle to turn the hvac on. To turn it down drag the opposite direction around the circle.
It also is an older haptic design, so it operates more like a resistive display. Light, quick taps are kind of ignored from what I am reading. Use the pad of your finger and drag it like you are using a cheap Android phone. :)
Sad to see Fisker failed not only once but twice. His designs are just gorgeous inside and out. I really, even still now, wanted Fisker to succeed. I think the Ocean is pretty attractive and wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen in it. But man, these issues both with the product and the finances are very disappointing. Sad to say, but they'll be gone within the year.
I had seen one of these where the owner said the "reboot" or "reset" had to last something like 2 hours to truly reset it. It had to fully power down the "memory" of the infotainment system.
10:11 The laggy infotainment system is likely due to the computer’s SSD (solid state drive) failing, which will cause pauses as it encounters errors and retries reads/writes over and over until it succeeds.
@@muskokamike127 - yes, they did exist. In fact, as far back as 2008 you could buy the then-new MacBook Air equipped with an SSD. Although the Fisker's computer is an embedded system (and not a personal computer), I would expect the engineers to have chosen a similar SSD. If they instead used a traditional hard drive, it would be extremely vulnerable to failure due to vibrations while driving.
@@muskokamike127Yes they did, solid state storage has existed for decades. The infotainment computer probably doesn't need very much capacity, as it only has to store the firmware. Also, a solid state drive is a much better choice for a car, since it won't be damaged by bumps and shakes like a mechanical drive would.
Thought the same. It probably has an eMMC drive, which was used in the first Model S's too. If you ever encounter an old cheap laptop that has an eMMC drive that is either full or failing it will behave just like you described and as shown in the video, laggy to the point of being unusable. A real SSD would probably be just fine, but those eMMC drives man are they crap. They were put into consumer grade cheap netbooks and laptops that were designed to shit themselves and become unusable in just over the warranty period so having one in a car is just asking for trouble and the manufacturers still did it! The cars software may not need much capacity, but if the drive is equally small it will have gathered an unbelievable amount of writes. And the file system it runs on is probably total crap too so over time it will just fill up to the brim as well, has no optimizations integrated into it etc.
The paint on them is actually fascinating. It is also irreplaceable and not possible to match. It is, like everything else, designed to be environmental. They use a fine recycled glass dust to give it the shimmer iirc. Really like the design principles for em.
Most of the 'green' tech ends up costing you thousands and having products scrapped early on their life. Like the biodegradable wiring harnesses on 1990's Mercedees. Or the water based paint which killed tens of thousands of W210 E-class due to rust...
@@Munakas-wq3gp Well, it isnt like biodegradable green. Is same type of paint overall that all cars use now. No, not durable like old paints. Just meant how they use a powdered glass vs metal flake.
Check the health and charge of both the 12 volt and big battery. Battery issues can cause all sorts of electrical gremlins. Remember, the AC is likely electric, too.`
Before Fisker that factory In Finland built Saabs, Talbots, Lada Samaras, Opel Calibras, Porsche Boxters. Now they build some Mercedes models in that factory. I think all Saab 900 (older gen) cabrios were built there. I live about 30miles from there.
Unlike all of traditional cars I have ever owned where buttons and switches and relays speedo's and fuel gauges and just about everything wears out or breaks. When fuel injection came out everyone with a Tune-Up shop complained because you don't need to see them when the weather changes to adjust the carbs or adjust valves or replace plugs every year. Every time new tech comes in to replace the old some luddite will complain.
@@atw9913buttons and switches have been used since the Industrial Revolution if not before and they don’t lag, if they break you replace it, with software your always limited by the processor and software which always become outdated, look at the PC market you buy a pc and a year later it’s outdated or phones no phone from 10 years ago holds up today. Infotainment is cool but keep essential components out of it,
@@codycrawford2385 only year of Model S i'd consider stunning is a 2012 in Signature Red. it's built like a rushed prototype, but at least it's got an exterior.
Tyler! You are back!! lol Why don't you just get some new tires and leave your window rolled down? If it's just a flat spot issue you should be ok. No more flat spots and highway driving. Also give the infotainment system a chance to catch up. You know it's delayed so mashing a whole bunch of different commands makes it have a brain fart. By the time it's ready to do what you want it reacts to the next command before it starts.
You actually bought this? I was hoping you only rented it. Yup, this is the Hoovie we love. The man whose purpose in life, is to serve as a warning to the rest of us. What can we say? You have Bad Karma, lol.
Honestly. Seeing all these cars today with just a tablet glued to the dash and no physical buttons for anything, you just know it's going to be slow and annoying within a decade. If it works at all.
@@TYSuggestedmost cars combine a digital cluster and display with physical buttons. Tesla amongst others are the ones that have basically no other buttons besides the steering wheel. Not all cars
Your timing is impeccable with Fisker (new) putting out their bankruptcy proposal. Hoovie, since you're a masochist for cars, I'm sure a new heavily discount Fisker ocean is on your radar. If I had $15,000 I would still buy one for a museum piece. In my opinion, one of the best looking cars /suv out there today.
Just wait. All those iPad style controls all infotainment units will eventually get old and slow like all electronics but those old school button units will still be the same as the day they came out.
Driver's seat has A LOT of wear for 17,000 miles. Same thing with all those smudge prints up by the driver's sun visor. I'd expect those areas to look almost brand new with that low of miles.
I suspect that the infotainment lag is due to some steady input signal overflowing the input buffer. Your screen touch is accepted (by the click) but can't be activated until the computer works its way through the other spurious inputs. You said they replaced the blower motor. I'd start there, looking for an improper connection.
If you're used to the heat and humidity, sure. But being in Kansas I'm sure he isn't used to that. I wouldn't want to be hot and sticky for hours on end with oven heat blowing in my face the whole time.
If you don’t have to do it, would you really drive like that? The misery can’t really be converted into video content, so I completely understand that he passes on this one.
FWIW the first time I saw a Fisker was when one cut me off on my motorcycle. That, compounded by Hoovie's story and repeated Fisker-related bankruptcies has convinced me that being anywhere near one of these is bad karma.
@@JonBlondell it's not about if Dereck would buy a Fisker but the fact that no A/C and a shaky steering wheel wont stop you from driving across the country.
Hoovie, I'd wager the lack of response from the touch screen is a similar issue to one I had on Veloster Turbo I owned. The Florida sun and heat I think delaminated the capacitive touch layer of the screen or otherwise made it work less and less. Maybe the screen can be replaced. IDK. I ended up just getting rid of my Veloster. Florida is hard on cars, especially if you park outside without at least a covered car port.
I think it's an older haptic design, meaning it operates more like a resistive touch screen. You need to press on it a bit and hold it or use the pad of your finger. Tap it a little slower as well.
@@hokie9910 The issue is that the first generation of haptic screens was slow and had the crispness of a soggy potato chip. My guess is that somehow replacing the screen itself would solve it as WHEN it recognizes his input, it's quick enough.
Even though increasing the blower motor speed through a button or a dial, it still goes through software, It definitely makes it more intuitive and obvious to any human born after 1940.
@@Beer_Dad1975 i know. my favorite car of all time would be a first gen R8, and then there's cars like the sls , gallardo , db9 etc that are obviously better. i went crazy due to this being a rare car and brand, and something i like - a designer risking it and doing his own take on a car like this, and i have mad respect for that even if it obviously didn't go well.
I’m very certain that this car came out the same time that Tesla released their first car (not the electric Lotus), and I remember thinking this brand would survive while Tesla died. Boy, I got that one wrong.
Come on Hoovie! If Monkey Wrench Mike and Randy can drive cross country in a hooptie convertible with the top broken in the down position and caught in rain storms, you can drive back to Kansas without A/C dude. Don't wuss out.
I don't think the blower motor "failed again", I think the previous owner could fix it to begin with. He spent 8.5k and it was still broken so he just got rid of it lol. It looks to me like some weird software issue. But the fact that there are no authorized dealers and barely any parts at all could make fixing that extremely tough. The fix could be something like updating firmware or reflashing it - but the hardest part gonna be finding anyone who could possibly do it.
did u try pressing and holding the vertical rectangle on the fan selector with your finger and move it around the circle? definitely seems broken but wouldnt hurt to try...
Sick of these BetterHelp ads. I sincerely doubt you used it once and if you did it was probably only once. You're just peddling whatever product someone will pay you money to push onto your subs. Most of your subs realize it's garbage and will never use it, but you are hurting the ones who do use it. You are taking advantage of the trust your subscribers have in you.
Ah the joys of aging electronics / computers in modern cars that make them pretty much unusable. A local owner of a 1970 Chrysler New Yorker is having a laugh every morning.
I remember seeing pictures of these back in the day and thinking how insanely cool they looked. I suspect these are a very love/hate relationship; when they work, driving one is going to be cool as heck, but when they don't work it'll be a severe test of patience. To be fair to the Fisker, all infotainment touch screens back in 2012 were slow, laggy and annoying. And not particularly long lasting. I suspect a modern screen replacement would solve the lag issue which is likely a big Quality of Life improvement. And getting the cooling system working would probably make the car a lot more pleasant. But I hate the "all controls in the touch screen" trend in general. Give me some actual buttons or dials for the heating controls. Shoving it all in the touch screen is a massive distraction and an excuse for lazy interior design.
According to Google AI: “ The Fisker Karma's climate control system uses steering controls to change the fan speed. Some say the climate control system works well in manual mode, but the interface is not ideal for driving. Others say the fans are too high and annoying in auto mode. ”
Seems to me 20 grand for a 12 YO car from an almost twice bankrupt company is not a bargain, despite it's sticker. When Doug Demuro reviewed one a couple years ago and called it a good price at 40, I thought he was nuts. But that is the thought process of tubers who have made it big and are buying what gets the views. I do think the car is a great looking design.
We’ve had smart phones for almost 20 years, and the eventual degradation of performance is a widely known phenomenon. Why would anyone expect car’s with touchscreen controls are any different from a smartphone?
Slightly different. We constantly are loading a phone with more and more apps. Leading to bloat and performance issues. A cars infotainment system basically stays in the same shape as when delivered. So it shouldn’t really have so much lag, especially with that low mileage
For as old as it is, it still looks modern as if it were produced today.. while these may be a pos versus other electric or hybrid cars, especially with their horrible proprietary software/infotainment system.. if you ignore these flaws and treat it like an older car that has no infotainment system, it’s a great vehicle to drive around rather than the cheapest base model Honda, Toyota, etc vehicle at about the same price. Furthermore, if you ignore the electric.. the fact it gets plenty of range with it’s combustion engine as well, you can pretty much pretend it's not a hybrid and just drive it around in sport mode all the time and treat like any other ice car. May be worth to just install an aftermarket on/off switches for the A/C and Heater by wiring them directly to the relays that control those, and an aftermarket bluetooth radio, and you'll be all set and can write off the horrible built in infotainment.
Karma's engine does not get great range at all. Karma is a 5100 lb vehicle with a 9 gallon fuel tank. That engine is also rated for 21 mpg combined in the Cobalt SS and Solstice GXP, which are less than 3000 lbs in weight.
@@PURENT if you check the fisker buzz forums, there are posts from owners who drive their Karma's purely in "sport mode" which operates the car purely in an ice mode, and the 50 mile range battery they keep as a backup for if fuel gets low. But those users report decent gas ranges of about 200 miles.. which imo isn't bad for an ice car of this type/styling, which often have mediocre gas milage too.
@@LycanWitch You gotta really drive it like a grandma to squeeze out decent MPG out of that engine. It's a 2 liter, but it's definitely not great on gas unless you stay off the turbo. Problem is the turbo kicks in at as little as 2500 rpm.
If there’s something I recommend for the ac problem. It’s annoying but try the voice controls on the steering wheel! It’s slow. But if you at least say like “fan on” or something of that nature, it will at least initiate something, to give you an opening
Why not park it until you are ready to leave and then road trip it to Philly? Then you can save some shipping and just fly home easily, you could even buy a round trip ticket to pick it back up.
@xavierramirez330 what do you mean that's not the problem lol... You can't get the batteries anymore, and the engine is a dinky little ecotec. Electric cars are trash after 10 years.
@@xavierramirez330 yeah... you rip the existing harness out.. install a new harness from Painless... splice in your creature comforts and enjoy. It's not rocket science.
They might if they're connected to another actuator themselves. For example, the recirc button isn't instant. It needs to send a signal to a computer which then moves a blend door to switch modes.
@@aspecreviews Yes. Yes. Yes. I knew someone tech tick would come along and have something to say. Still simpler than a touchscreen software interface. Less chance of something going wrong is the point.
@@kowalski5599 Plus, switches, knobs, and buttons can be easily replaced. Proprietary electronics systems aren't. If they stop manufacturing replacements, have fun getting anything fixed.
A "factory reset" of the head unit should resolve the issue, still expect 2012 touch response, however might fix the A/C issue. Swear, I posted prior to Hoovie mentioning the hard reset. lol
Better help just seems like a scam company. If they were legit therapist they wouldn't be working for an app based company, they'd have their own practice charging much more than they get working for Better help. Plus I've read they've been caught using AI for their chat based help and have caught attention for their therapist suggesting awful things as solutions to problems that people talk about.
When you have a laggy computer...the LAST thing you should be doing is punching multiple buttons quickly in exasperation as this just guarantees that you'll get nowhere. Each input IS registered and it begins to execute that command only to be interrupted by the next input which makes it stop and start on the new command. Hit what you want....accept that it's going to take it a bit to get where you told it to go and it will!! Impatience with slow equipment just means you create more problems than actually exist.
Bob Lutz advertised these but with a stout LS and no electric. That would be the only version that would make any sense. Not sure any were ever actually produced
People would kill to have a touch screen for everything……..until it stops working, then they hate it. I’m guessing the issue is in the software. Maybe there is an update available at one of the shops that still support it.
I have owned Few Fisker Karma's (3 plus tested more than 10) and still kept my first one since 10 years. I can say that it is by far the best car I have ever owned !!! 133'000km without any trouble. I agree yours looks a bit garbage and slow in soft but you can't generalize and say that the car itself is a disaster since it is not and you don't have a long experience of it. If you would have bought your car from a real specialist (like Evolutionautosports in US for exemple), it would have been an other speech. All the owners that bought from him are 100% happy. If anyone has a question about that car, I would be happy to help and answer.
I went to university in Florida. I had an old American POS (Chevy Nova) that didn't have A/C...well, it HAD A/C when it was new, not when I drove it. I used to keep a stash of extra shirts in the car because I'd often arrive at my destination drenched.
I drove one of these back in the 2010s, and loves it's looks and driving experience, but was concerned about it's execution and ownership experience (interior was super tight) and no place to put anything...Glad I didn't have $100k to buy it at the Caddy dealership selling it. I'm a sucker for early adoption and that purchase would have been disasterous.
This is the hoovie I like seeing. Absolutely wasting his money on complete hot garbage that none of us would have the balls to buy.
You mean as opposed to the new Hoovie that is gobsmacked with his new girlfriend?
@@TheJeffcurranWhat’s wrong with tossing a hot model girlfriend who also like cars in the mix?
@@hippievan4040the videos after the separation were a weird time though...
Exactly. There's more content to actually watch and learn. Nobody wants a disaster themselves, but i'd rather watch this than somebody just showing off their cool car.
@TheJeffcurran She's hot? Thought his wife was was prettier
I'm a certified Fisker Karma and Revero tech and have fixed hundreds of these cars. Honestly if you need help with parts and how to fix these, let me know. Almost all the issues are pretty easy to fix
I was going to say I know that they were fixing these even years after the bankruptcy. I'm assuming they still are. He should just take it to them or find people like you
Do you know why the blower wasn’t working?
Do you know a way to upgrade the computer for the infotainment system?
@@BenGreggSweden I'd really like to know that as well.
This would be very valuable for Karma owners.
Bob Lutz had the right idea when he suggested putting a LS7 in these.
I sure would like to drive Bob Lutz fever dream V8 version
Didn’t he actually set up a company to convert some? He probably didn’t touch the infotainment system. Least investment, highest return fever nightmare.
I have an old Toyota 20R four banger in the back of my garage. 😃
That's exactly what i said! Good candidate for an LS swap! 🤣🤣
@@jeffrobodine8579 I like the way you think
I live in Finland, I was driving a taxi when Fisker started to build those here, so the car was on the news for a period of time. I was talking cars with this sweet older woman. She knew somewhat of much about cars. Well we happen to roll up to a traffic lights right next to a Fisker Karma. The old lady said .. "Oh, look it´s a Fister .. " do you know how hard it is to keep a straight face for 6 kilometers (3,75 miles)? After that I had a bit of a laughing session.
Lol fister
Maybe she was a GTA player, can’t remember what brand it rips off but there’s a Pfister brand in it 😂
@@danr3199 Pfister is Porsche in GTA, while Hijak is Fisker.
I'm sure Hoovie feels like it's a Fister
Ralli-englanti on niin ihanaa! I imagined her saying that in a heavy Finnish accent and could not stop laughing.
The CIU (center screen computer) is probably halfway dead due to water ingress around the cabin air filter seal. This was a huge problem with these cars and the entire drainage system was modified when Karma Automotive brought them back in 2018.
Your cuts to an ad for “better help” straight from a manic episode of total self destruction is pure gold.
"I went to better help when I needed to talk to someone" yeah, that's not the endorsement you think it is lol
#AwkwardTeenHoovie
Ah Better Help, because good mental health is a luxury that can be exploited in a time where mental illness seems to be on a exponential curve
This.
And also in some videos he sponsors gambling and betting apps… a known addictive problem financially that people seek therapy for
No joke.... there is a homeless person living out of one of these where I live. I like to imagine he was a successful person bankrupt by the terrible decision to buy a Karma.
Karma, indeed.
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@@andrewthomason3857Lmao 🤣 you're reply is better than the original post.
I'm laughing on the toilet mate.
Genius reply!
😂😂😂
It's a fancy way to be homeless... he's like the King of Hobos in this beauty :D
Its a 12 year old hybrid from the first era of the hybrids from an extremely niche car maker. I would expect nothing less than it to be a junker.
True...but the biggest issue appears to be the entertainment system? Not something complicated or new in any sense. Still like you said not surprised lmao
First era of hybrids was the late 90's Honda Insight and Toyota Prius
This is more like a like 4th gen hybrid. It's just a really shitty example of one.
They were junk when new. Mac miller was given one on his show and it broke down in the middle of the highway 🤣
Chevy got it done much better with the volt
Tyler discovering why they went bankrupt. I'll never forget going to the dealer to see one, and they wouldn't let me touch the $220k Karma. They wanted me to put down a $15k deposit before I could drive it. It really was perfume on a pig. It an expensive Chevy Volt, but the Volt was light years better.
I would take a Cadillac ELR over the Fisker. Or just stick with a Volt.
Now 15k I can practical buy one.
Was the deposit refundable? What did you like/not like about the Fisker?
@@CarGeek360The deposit _has to_ be refundable. Otherwise it's the world's most expensive car rental.
@@BogeyTheBear maybe but again Fisker seems like a weird company so it might’ve not been refundable
I remember seeing one while vacationing in California circa 2012. They were brand new. It was such a stunningly beautiful design back in 2012. I had no clue what it was, but the owner was very friendly and also willing to answer any questions.
My grandfather was pretty wealthy and lived in a community with tons of other luxury cars in Boyton Beach. Lots of 7 series, S class, Bentley and the occasional Rolls. When this car was brand new I was in the Boynton Beach mall with him. We saw it in a beautiful metallic brown karma revero from across the mall. My grandfather called the dealer (Lamborgini of West Palm Beach).
Upon arriving, he ignored the beautiful green Aventador S that Marques Brownlee was filming with (episode 2 of auto focus). After ignoring many other Lamborginis, he walked right past a Porsche 918, thinking nothing of it, until he saw the Brown Karma Revero. The cool factor was through the roof, everywhere he went people asked what it was! That's in West Palm Beach too!
He loved the car in every way. He barely needed gas between the hybrid and how little he drove lol. He paid ~$1,000/m on a lease because they couldn't give them away if they tried at the time. The only issue he ever had during ownership (because he barely drove) was a valet crushed the radiator and a few other front end components. All of which were basically made to order at this point. Between damage and lost time, the insurance claim basically paid for the whole lease. He was so happy.
He contemplated buying it after the lease because he loved it so much. THANKFULLY he did not.
Great memories with the Fisker Karma! Still a sh*tbox though.
Love this story
How long ago was that...?
@@marknewman9430 This was summer of 2018 or 2019.
Yep, Lamborghini dealer here in Michigan had them for sale too, really cool looking car, still very cool looking car. Fisker great at design, bad at making cars. LOL
@@eFxAstrodidn’t they come out in 2012 though? So they weren’t brand new.
A customer of mine at a pizza job I had years ago had one of these. He was one of the earliest supporters and he regretted every single second of it. If you asked him about the car and what it was you had better be prepared for at least 5 minutes of "This company sucks and has screwed me ever since I got it"
Sounds just like Tesla! 😂
And now they are back from insolvency again with a slightly different name trying to sell more half-baked garbage. Glad it looks like once again they will be going down the gurgler soon.
@@therationalistparty9742 As poorly made as Tesla's are, and as poor as their after sales support is - they are at least reasonably functional as transport - the Fisker really never was - and the new ones are more of the same apparently.
What's a Pizza 🍕 Job? Like the Italian Job? You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off mate.
@@therationalistparty9742 Tesla is the bestselling car brand in several countries and I love mine never had any issues. have had many luxury cars from shitty new jaguars to bmws and Tesla and Mercedes are the best. I do love my 16 land cruiser and 08 range rover supercharged but they are a waste of gas these days. Tesla Full self driving is also amazing. but if you have never owned one you should not comment what do you know.
The man you bought that off literally danced his way to the Bank.
And he didn't need a therapist.
And Hoovie got... _Instant Karma_
He drove a Fisker Karma for 18,000 miles. He deserved every penny.
I'm not so sure about that. He just spent $8500 on repairs and it still isn't fixed plus probably lost about $90,000 on depreciation. But I am sure he was happy to get rid of it!
After spending over $200k new and only putting 16k miles on it over a 21 year period then selling it for $20k? Yeah, I don't think he was skipping anywhere... Lol
Fisker Karma, the type of car that has an infotainment system that only responds to the touch of Doug Demuro
That Fisker specialist in the philly suburbs is like 5 mins from my house, just down the block from my detailer. Any time I'm in the area it's not unusual to see a Fisker rolling around, whereas usually I never see them. Met some of the guys who work there at a car meet, cool group!
I'm not sure but try and spin the "wheel fan" in the climate control instead of tapping it or try and spin the silver bar
This is what I was thinking, it seems like it might just be a bad GUI issue. There is a gray bar sticking straight up, I'm thinking if you try to "spin" that around the center "wheel" it might work? Though it might not be responsive enough for any of that
It s showing 0 degrees F for the outside temp. Looks like the ambient temperature sensor is malfunctioning, preventing the auto climate control from working. Common problem with modern European cars.
with that lag it wouldnt be great
It was designed in the era of the iPod, so yes, everything operates like an iPod wheel.
@@plektosgaming well no, this was 12 years later than the ipod wheel...
My neighbor has one. I've lived in that house for 2.5 years, and I don't think it's left his driveway 😂
It is a good-looking driveway ornament.
those 50 electric miles dude, you just never HEARD it leave xD
You've lived in your neighbor's house?
@@azmike3572 bottom feeder lol
@@basshead. ??
What’s interesting about the Karma is that it was designed by Henrik FIsker the around the same time that Tesla had hired him for designing what would be the Model S, only for him to design them an egg. Tesla even sued him for purposely designing an egg, because they saw how beautiful the Karma was.
He truly got his Karma
Must've doubled down on the egg aesthetic with the Model X.
And Tesla lost and had to pay 1,144,285 USD
@@9023gregb The X is truly a car with no identity whatsoever. A featureless barren desert of design.
Yet Tesla had no issue with designing the triangle refrigerator commonly called, the Cybertruck.
All I could focus on for the entire video was the fact that the front end has been resprayed and repainted. The passenger headlight is also misaligned and has a huge gap there.
Hopefully the title reflects this and I just missed Tyler mentioning it
About 7 years ago I did some valet work at an uptown high-rise in Dallas, TX. One of the residents owned a full-electric Fisker Karma and I had the chance to park it a couple times. The design and drive system were a bit weird to get used to, but it was sort of a cool car. At the very least, it's not like anything else out there! It's the only one I've ever seen in person.
You mean the owner was intentionally out of the country to avoid having to be present when the new owner (Hoovie) showed to pick up the piece of junk. He left the warehouse picker on charge of the hand off. LMAO
SURE it was an employee and not actually the owner 😂. How convenient.
LMAO that dude never left the country.
@@venom5809well he did… after Hoovie gave him the money 😂
I unfortunately have first hand experience on working on these cars as a mechanic. We maintained one that was sold by us when it was like a year or two old with around 30k km's on the odometer.
That customer drove it for 7 to 8 years and racked up the kilometers to 280k. I think we have replaced every component on that vehicle several times. What a terrible cars are these, still gives me headaches to this day.
I've always been curious, which dealer or shop takes car of these cars when they're under warranty?
Try sliding your finger around the fan circle
That seemed so obvious when I was watching it. All the other buttons worked when he touched them. Maybe this is him making a problem where there isn't one for the clicks.
yup
Exactly. It's a dial, you have to "turn" it
It was frustrating to watch Hoover over it and not slide the dial… come on man.. figure it out.. you are not that old yet
I wondered about that myself. I compared it to the Escalade sliders on their dashboard.
I have always loved the design and look of them. Absolutely stunning
Please bring back switches and knobs. I still remember the wonderful tactile feeling of the variable speed switch in a 1987 Acura legend. And the satisfying click and IMMEDIATE response of the directional indicator that gave me the options of where the air went.
The problematic and expensive infotainment bullshit that controls everything is a horrible idea.
It's not luxury when the AC doesn't work because the touch screen is broken and will cost 4 grand to fix it.
Not to mention a screen made for Europe will melt in Australia.
Probably never coming back. Every car needs a giant screen due to the backup camera mandate "anything for safety!!!!!!" and even then, like your directional, most physical buttons will be controlled by a computer. Buy older cars and fix them, people balk at spending $20k fixing up an old car but will spend $40k to buy a new one that won't last as long...
My 86 F150 does only what I tell it to. Manual transmission, manual 4x4 locking hubs, manual brakes, manual crank windows, and no nav system. My 2010 Yaris is similar with crank windows, manual mirrors, manual climate control, no remote control locks...I would gladly sink another $10k in it for new engine and transmission if they go out!
@@randomvideosn0whereI have a backup camera. It doesn’t need a giant screen. Infotainment centers are great but controls for volume and climate control need to be tactile for safety. Yes anything for safety when it comes to car design and that’s why we need tactile switches back. You could control everything without looking up from the road.
The issue isn’t some backup camera mandate man. As tech progresses so should our safety standards. If they didn’t we would still have cars like the 50s. Solid and built like a tank but killed people because it didn’t have any crunch zones. It would transfer all the energy from the crash to the people inside instead of absorbing it. When we knew how to prevent that we made it mandatory. When we know better we do better.
Same with backup cameras, though that’s pretty old tech anyway, they’ve been around forever companies just liked charging more for it in their luxury packages or whatever. They didn’t have giant screens that controlled everything. They don’t need it.
No your beef is with companies like Tesla, though they aren’t the only one . They do something and everyone copies them and the giant screens look nice. That’s the only reason they are a thing. If they fall in popularity, and they will, they will stop making them.
@@randomvideosn0wherebackup cameras are great and have nothing to do with the overuse of screens in newer cars
Fisker was about 4 miles away.
I saw employees driving them everyday from 2010 until they closed. I saw sagging headliners, panel gaps, and parts falling off.
As a Dane id like to apologize for this.. In our defense we also have Zenvo.. Please forgive us
Zenvo? REALLY...is that something to be proud of?
Shmee’s Zenvo seems to spend more time at the factory than it does with him
Hoiiii goiissss I'm thhhhmeeeeeeeee
Stick to pillaging villages along the coast 😂
@@jaspardark7938 Irony... Not your strong suit?
Thought that the "Please forgive us" afterwards kinda gave it away.. Jfc 🤣
Touch and hold the grey bar at the top of the fan circle and drag it clockwise around the circle to turn the hvac on. To turn it down drag the opposite direction around the circle.
It also is an older haptic design, so it operates more like a resistive display. Light, quick taps are kind of ignored from what I am reading. Use the pad of your finger and drag it like you are using a cheap Android phone. :)
Sad to see Fisker failed not only once but twice. His designs are just gorgeous inside and out. I really, even still now, wanted Fisker to succeed. I think the Ocean is pretty attractive and wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen in it. But man, these issues both with the product and the finances are very disappointing. Sad to say, but they'll be gone within the year.
The design is so beautiful.... perfect!
I had seen one of these where the owner said the "reboot" or "reset" had to last something like 2 hours to truly reset it. It had to fully power down the "memory" of the infotainment system.
Yeah, lots of caps that take a while to discharge
Sounds like with a Tesla, you get to work and plug it in, with this one you drive to work and disconnect it so you can drive home lol
So odd the solar panel cant charge the battery..thats such a simple thing
10:11 The laggy infotainment system is likely due to the computer’s SSD (solid state drive) failing, which will cause pauses as it encounters errors and retries reads/writes over and over until it succeeds.
did they even have ssd's 12 yrs ago?
@@muskokamike127 - yes, they did exist. In fact, as far back as 2008 you could buy the then-new MacBook Air equipped with an SSD. Although the Fisker's computer is an embedded system (and not a personal computer), I would expect the engineers to have chosen a similar SSD. If they instead used a traditional hard drive, it would be extremely vulnerable to failure due to vibrations while driving.
@@muskokamike127Yes they did, solid state storage has existed for decades. The infotainment computer probably doesn't need very much capacity, as it only has to store the firmware.
Also, a solid state drive is a much better choice for a car, since it won't be damaged by bumps and shakes like a mechanical drive would.
Thought the same. It probably has an eMMC drive, which was used in the first Model S's too. If you ever encounter an old cheap laptop that has an eMMC drive that is either full or failing it will behave just like you described and as shown in the video, laggy to the point of being unusable. A real SSD would probably be just fine, but those eMMC drives man are they crap. They were put into consumer grade cheap netbooks and laptops that were designed to shit themselves and become unusable in just over the warranty period so having one in a car is just asking for trouble and the manufacturers still did it! The cars software may not need much capacity, but if the drive is equally small it will have gathered an unbelievable amount of writes. And the file system it runs on is probably total crap too so over time it will just fill up to the brim as well, has no optimizations integrated into it etc.
@@nomadben ok, great, thanks for verification, and you're right, they are more robust than std HDD.
The paint on them is actually fascinating. It is also irreplaceable and not possible to match. It is, like everything else, designed to be environmental. They use a fine recycled glass dust to give it the shimmer iirc. Really like the design principles for em.
Most of the 'green' tech ends up costing you thousands and having products scrapped early on their life. Like the biodegradable wiring harnesses on 1990's Mercedees. Or the water based paint which killed tens of thousands of W210 E-class due to rust...
@@Munakas-wq3gp Well, it isnt like biodegradable green. Is same type of paint overall that all cars use now. No, not durable like old paints. Just meant how they use a powdered glass vs metal flake.
Check the health and charge of both the 12 volt and big battery. Battery issues can cause all sorts of electrical gremlins. Remember, the AC is likely electric, too.`
Before Fisker that factory In Finland built Saabs, Talbots, Lada Samaras, Opel Calibras, Porsche Boxters.
Now they build some Mercedes models in that factory.
I think all Saab 900 (older gen) cabrios were built there.
I live about 30miles from there.
And the only place the new AMG C class is built.
The outside of the car looks beautiful!
The interior looks nice.
Unfortunately, it goes downhill from there. Basically, it's a pile!
Going downhill is what this car is best at.
This is the future of all these glass dashboard cars that hide everything in the touch screen under layers of menus
Unlike all of traditional cars I have ever owned where buttons and switches and relays speedo's and fuel gauges and just about everything wears out or breaks. When fuel injection came out everyone with a Tune-Up shop complained because you don't need to see them when the weather changes to adjust the carbs or adjust valves or replace plugs every year. Every time new tech comes in to replace the old some luddite will complain.
@atw9913 yes but buttons and switches don't lag.... your comment is irrelevant
@@atw9913if you’re having those issues, I’d suggest you fix yourself. Buttons and switches last
@@paulcarmi8130 you are being purposely obtuse. the point is that switchs and buttons also will break
@@atw9913buttons and switches have been used since the Industrial Revolution if not before and they don’t lag, if they break you replace it, with software your always limited by the processor and software which always become outdated, look at the PC market you buy a pc and a year later it’s outdated or phones no phone from 10 years ago holds up today. Infotainment is cool but keep essential components out of it,
I LOVE these a lot, the whole concept is beautiful, the interior is probably my favorite part
Blink twice if you're OK
@@GlitterGuru maybe they are not great reliability wise but still pretty and looks better than a ugly Tesla
@@codycrawford2385 only year of Model S i'd consider stunning is a 2012 in Signature Red. it's built like a rushed prototype, but at least it's got an exterior.
but yeah i think the Maserati Quattroporte of 2004 is above both the Karma and Model S
@@waheeddoesstuff it’s still ugly teslas are not quality built and look cheap as hell
4:09 hoovie, i guarantee you, it is NOT what people want today. People want cars with engines and to have CHEAP GAS
Tyler! You are back!! lol Why don't you just get some new tires and leave your window rolled down? If it's just a flat spot issue you should be ok. No more flat spots and highway driving. Also give the infotainment system a chance to catch up. You know it's delayed so mashing a whole bunch of different commands makes it have a brain fart. By the time it's ready to do what you want it reacts to the next command before it starts.
You actually bought this? I was hoping you only rented it. Yup, this is the Hoovie we love. The man whose purpose in life, is to serve as a warning to the rest of us. What can we say? You have Bad Karma, lol.
LoL
It is called Bring a trailer for a reason 😂
This is why I want buttons and switches, even for cars where the manufacturer hasn't gone toes-up.
Honestly.
Seeing all these cars today with just a tablet glued to the dash and no physical buttons for anything, you just know it's going to be slow and annoying within a decade. If it works at all.
@@TYSuggestedmost cars combine a digital cluster and display with physical buttons. Tesla amongst others are the ones that have basically no other buttons besides the steering wheel. Not all cars
I hope you are safe from all these tornadoes. At Wichita it hit hard be safe and hope we continue to watch your videos.
@9:36 I could be wrong, but I'm thinking maybe the climate control needs to be rotated like a knob instead of poking at it the way he is🤔
Your timing is impeccable with Fisker (new) putting out their bankruptcy proposal. Hoovie, since you're a masochist for cars, I'm sure a new heavily discount Fisker ocean is on your radar. If I had $15,000 I would still buy one for a museum piece. In my opinion, one of the best looking cars /suv out there today.
Just wait. All those iPad style controls all infotainment units will eventually get old and slow like all electronics but those old school button units will still be the same as the day they came out.
Laughs in sticky rubber buttons.
You must own a early 2000 GM 😂
Those old school buttons, stick and break all the time.
@@spencers4121 Yeah but they are easier to fix
yes old is better
The Fisker Karma is the hot chick that every other guy is tired of dealing with.
Driver's seat has A LOT of wear for 17,000 miles. Same thing with all those smudge prints up by the driver's sun visor. I'd expect those areas to look almost brand new with that low of miles.
I suspect that the infotainment lag is due to some steady input signal overflowing the input buffer. Your screen touch is accepted (by the click) but can't be activated until the computer works its way through the other spurious inputs. You said they replaced the blower motor. I'd start there, looking for an improper connection.
Fisker is now on par with Edsel in terms of failure.
Edsel was a functional car.
Most call them, “FISTER”. 👊✊
Just drive home with the windows down bro - what a princess !👸
I know right? 40C up here in the summer...."do I put the a/c on"? "naw, I'll roll down the windows".....
@@muskokamike127 But then that front-mounted exhaust gets sucked right into your face . . .
Nah fuck that
If you're used to the heat and humidity, sure. But being in Kansas I'm sure he isn't used to that. I wouldn't want to be hot and sticky for hours on end with oven heat blowing in my face the whole time.
If you don’t have to do it, would you really drive like that?
The misery can’t really be converted into video content, so I completely understand that he passes on this one.
First thought was fumes from the exhaust coming into the car if you’re driving with the windows open
What a dumb thought.
Typical stupidity from a Hoovie fan.
FWIW the first time I saw a Fisker was when one cut me off on my motorcycle. That, compounded by Hoovie's story and repeated Fisker-related bankruptcies has convinced me that being anywhere near one of these is bad karma.
I live in Sacramento and just recently this morning, the local news explained that Fisker is in big trouble bankruptcy….
You are no Vice Grip Garage. He would be heading home and be halfway there.
No A/C and square tires ? That's a goin' to town rig !
My thought exactly…Too hot 😂..open the windows and crank some tunes.. Drive it till it don’t drive anymore !
No, he wouldn’t touch this.
@@JonBlondell it's not about if Dereck would buy a Fisker but the fact that no A/C and a shaky steering wheel wont stop you from driving across the country.
Hoovie, I'd wager the lack of response from the touch screen is a similar issue to one I had on Veloster Turbo I owned. The Florida sun and heat I think delaminated the capacitive touch layer of the screen or otherwise made it work less and less. Maybe the screen can be replaced. IDK. I ended up just getting rid of my Veloster.
Florida is hard on cars, especially if you park outside without at least a covered car port.
Yeah needs a new digitizer probably. Try a credit card Hoovie and see if that allows the AC to turn on.
I think it's an older haptic design, meaning it operates more like a resistive touch screen. You need to press on it a bit and hold it or use the pad of your finger. Tap it a little slower as well.
Somehow Lexus has never had these problems even on 30 year old cars.
@@hokie9910 The issue is that the first generation of haptic screens was slow and had the crispness of a soggy potato chip. My guess is that somehow replacing the screen itself would solve it as WHEN it recognizes his input, it's quick enough.
@@plektosgaming junk.
Hoovie, Drive it north 3 hours the hot weather will dissappear. Balance the wheels for $50. Come on Man!
agree,, what a wussie. they make short pants, now. LOL
When it's on fan, do you not drag that white indicator that's pointing up above the 0.
Even though increasing the blower motor speed through a button or a dial, it still goes through software, It definitely makes it more intuitive and obvious to any human born after 1940.
The ol' "Out of the country" previous owner 😂🤣
:) Owner actually peering from behind the curtains, watching it leave the driveway while friend poses as 'employee'.
saw a white one on the highway here in south florida, i went crazy! these are rare and so beautiful
There are plenty of much better looking cars that aren't complete sh*the*ps though.
@@Beer_Dad1975 i know. my favorite car of all time would be a first gen R8, and then there's cars like the sls , gallardo , db9 etc that are obviously better. i went crazy due to this being a rare car and brand, and something i like - a designer risking it and doing his own take on a car like this, and i have mad respect for that even if it obviously didn't go well.
@@Ricys Understand 👍👍
@Ricys those are shit too 😂😂😂
My favorite RUclips channel is Hoovie’s Garage!
🤓
Ok hoovie
The roof liner looks like a relief map of Mars.
I’m very certain that this car came out the same time that Tesla released their first car (not the electric Lotus), and I remember thinking this brand would survive while Tesla died. Boy, I got that one wrong.
6:59 - My car has paddle shifters too.
They shift the radio stations and the volume!
Sounds like a Dacia 😂
@@s13zenki - Chevy
Come on Hoovie! If Monkey Wrench Mike and Randy can drive cross country in a hooptie convertible with the top broken in the down position and caught in rain storms, you can drive back to Kansas without A/C dude. Don't wuss out.
This! Our man is sliding harder and harder into clickbait frenzy, to the point where he doesn't even ride his cars if not pristine.
Drive it at night! Cooler temps.
Especially to save $4-5k!
I don't think the blower motor "failed again", I think the previous owner could fix it to begin with. He spent 8.5k and it was still broken so he just got rid of it lol.
It looks to me like some weird software issue. But the fact that there are no authorized dealers and barely any parts at all could make fixing that extremely tough. The fix could be something like updating firmware or reflashing it - but the hardest part gonna be finding anyone who could possibly do it.
This is the fun of having everything on a locked down piece of touch screen technology.
Nice return to form Hoovie. Enjoyed this episode and will be following along.
did u try pressing and holding the vertical rectangle on the fan selector with your finger and move it around the circle? definitely seems broken but wouldnt hurt to try...
I think you could stop by and see a certain chicken farmer. I'm sure he's willing to sell you a hooptie or two to make it back to Kansas! 😁
Sick of these BetterHelp ads. I sincerely doubt you used it once and if you did it was probably only once. You're just peddling whatever product someone will pay you money to push onto your subs. Most of your subs realize it's garbage and will never use it, but you are hurting the ones who do use it. You are taking advantage of the trust your subscribers have in you.
Ah the joys of aging electronics / computers in modern cars that make them pretty much unusable. A local owner of a 1970 Chrysler New Yorker is having a laugh every morning.
Comparing an aged start up to the cars we have now is crazy.
@@rylans.5365
Tesla will age exactly the same way
@@theshadowman1398 Tesla infotainment system is actually usable and responsive and it will continue to be usable in 10 years
I remember seeing pictures of these back in the day and thinking how insanely cool they looked. I suspect these are a very love/hate relationship; when they work, driving one is going to be cool as heck, but when they don't work it'll be a severe test of patience.
To be fair to the Fisker, all infotainment touch screens back in 2012 were slow, laggy and annoying. And not particularly long lasting. I suspect a modern screen replacement would solve the lag issue which is likely a big Quality of Life improvement. And getting the cooling system working would probably make the car a lot more pleasant. But I hate the "all controls in the touch screen" trend in general. Give me some actual buttons or dials for the heating controls. Shoving it all in the touch screen is a massive distraction and an excuse for lazy interior design.
I love the styling on the Karma, but if I was ever to own one it would have to have an LS swap!
According to Google AI:
“ The Fisker Karma's climate control system uses steering controls to change the fan speed. Some say the climate control system works well in manual mode, but the interface is not ideal for driving. Others say the fans are too high and annoying in auto mode. ”
Seems to me 20 grand for a 12 YO car from an almost twice bankrupt company is not a bargain, despite it's sticker. When Doug Demuro reviewed one a couple years ago and called it a good price at 40, I thought he was nuts. But that is the thought process of tubers who have made it big and are buying what gets the views. I do think the car is a great looking design.
It's a great car brother chilllll your zill
@@cds5067 If its a great car, why has it now failed twice? And what is "zill"?
We’ve had smart phones for almost 20 years, and the eventual degradation of performance is a widely known phenomenon. Why would anyone expect car’s with touchscreen controls are any different from a smartphone?
Slightly different. We constantly are loading a phone with more and more apps. Leading to bloat and performance issues. A cars infotainment system basically stays in the same shape as when delivered. So it shouldn’t really have so much lag, especially with that low mileage
Have you tried pulling and dragging the white virtual knob for the fan (i.e. the white strip), as if it was a virtual volume knob?
I love that they took the buttons off of a Chevy Cruze steering wheel and rotated them 90º and called it a day.
I never have been able to get over that car's mustache...
That front end is butt ugly! That exhaust was designed for use in a closed garage,after you realize what you've bought.
For as old as it is, it still looks modern as if it were produced today.. while these may be a pos versus other electric or hybrid cars, especially with their horrible proprietary software/infotainment system.. if you ignore these flaws and treat it like an older car that has no infotainment system, it’s a great vehicle to drive around rather than the cheapest base model Honda, Toyota, etc vehicle at about the same price.
Furthermore, if you ignore the electric.. the fact it gets plenty of range with it’s combustion engine as well, you can pretty much pretend it's not a hybrid and just drive it around in sport mode all the time and treat like any other ice car.
May be worth to just install an aftermarket on/off switches for the A/C and Heater by wiring them directly to the relays that control those, and an aftermarket bluetooth radio, and you'll be all set and can write off the horrible built in infotainment.
Karma's engine does not get great range at all. Karma is a 5100 lb vehicle with a 9 gallon fuel tank. That engine is also rated for 21 mpg combined in the Cobalt SS and Solstice GXP, which are less than 3000 lbs in weight.
@@PURENT if you check the fisker buzz forums, there are posts from owners who drive their Karma's purely in "sport mode" which operates the car purely in an ice mode, and the 50 mile range battery they keep as a backup for if fuel gets low.
But those users report decent gas ranges of about 200 miles.. which imo isn't bad for an ice car of this type/styling, which often have mediocre gas milage too.
@@LycanWitch You gotta really drive it like a grandma to squeeze out decent MPG out of that engine. It's a 2 liter, but it's definitely not great on gas unless you stay off the turbo. Problem is the turbo kicks in at as little as 2500 rpm.
Watched Doug’s video before buying it… and still bought it😂
If there’s something I recommend for the ac problem. It’s annoying but try the voice controls on the steering wheel! It’s slow. But if you at least say like “fan on” or something of that nature, it will at least initiate something, to give you an opening
Why not park it until you are ready to leave and then road trip it to Philly? Then you can save some shipping and just fly home easily, you could even buy a round trip ticket to pick it back up.
Yes! Was waiting for Tyler to scoop one of these up. The price is so low. I'd just LS swap that shit 😂
Thats not the problem. The problem is all the ecu modules and stuff that control the car. Not the engine
Yes! Name it Apollo 2 ! :), don't track it tought...
@xavierramirez330 what do you mean that's not the problem lol... You can't get the batteries anymore, and the engine is a dinky little ecotec. Electric cars are trash after 10 years.
@kc550 like I said the main issue is what controls all the electronics. Changing the engine will not solve any of that
@@xavierramirez330 yeah... you rip the existing harness out.. install a new harness from Painless... splice in your creature comforts and enjoy. It's not rocket science.
Physical knobs and buttons (manual controls) don't lag.
They might if they're connected to another actuator themselves. For example, the recirc button isn't instant. It needs to send a signal to a computer which then moves a blend door to switch modes.
@@aspecreviews Yes. Yes. Yes. I knew someone tech tick would come along and have something to say. Still simpler than a touchscreen software interface. Less chance of something going wrong is the point.
@@kowalski5599 Plus, switches, knobs, and buttons can be easily replaced. Proprietary electronics systems aren't. If they stop manufacturing replacements, have fun getting anything fixed.
@@aspecreviewsMy Tundra with 371k miles has exactly .0001 second of a lag when I switch the AC on. The treachery!!!
Oh no, this may hurt Fisker's stock haha! :D
Different companies
This is not the first time that have suffered😊
Wow those touch screen interfaces are a big improvement over knobs and buttons.
A "factory reset" of the head unit should resolve the issue, still expect 2012 touch response, however might fix the A/C issue. Swear, I posted prior to Hoovie mentioning the hard reset. lol
Loose, heavy, triangular pieces of glass flying around inside the car? Yeah that can’t be good.
It's just transparent plastic... I still wouldn't want it in my eyes though.
no man what could possibly go wrong
1:57 - I imagine that the betterhelp marriage counseling leaves a lot to be desired.
He’ll be needing it when he gets cleaned out again
Yea sadly dont see the new one lasting. Fair play shes a stunner. But sad to say some women are on a grift.
@Rambogner man he's already in over his head on that property you know she wanted and remodeled
He seems incapable of learning from his mistakes
Better help just seems like a scam company. If they were legit therapist they wouldn't be working for an app based company, they'd have their own practice charging much more than they get working for Better help. Plus I've read they've been caught using AI for their chat based help and have caught attention for their therapist suggesting awful things as solutions to problems that people talk about.
When you have a laggy computer...the LAST thing you should be doing is punching multiple buttons quickly in exasperation as this just guarantees that you'll get nowhere. Each input IS registered and it begins to execute that command only to be interrupted by the next input which makes it stop and start on the new command. Hit what you want....accept that it's going to take it a bit to get where you told it to go and it will!! Impatience with slow equipment just means you create more problems than actually exist.
Bob Lutz advertised these but with a stout LS and no electric. That would be the only version that would make any sense. Not sure any were ever actually produced
People would kill to have a touch screen for everything……..until it stops working, then they hate it.
I’m guessing the issue is in the software. Maybe there is an update available at one of the shops that still support it.
I have owned Few Fisker Karma's (3 plus tested more than 10) and still kept my first one since 10 years. I can say that it is by far the best car I have ever owned !!! 133'000km without any trouble. I agree yours looks a bit garbage and slow in soft but you can't generalize and say that the car itself is a disaster since it is not and you don't have a long experience of it. If you would have bought your car from a real specialist (like Evolutionautosports in US for exemple), it would have been an other speech. All the owners that bought from him are 100% happy.
If anyone has a question about that car, I would be happy to help and answer.
Tyler, just buy a 1993 Honda Civic or Accord for once😅
It would get you home for sure.
Cars with touch screens will never last long enough to become classics.
I went to university in Florida. I had an old American POS (Chevy Nova) that didn't have A/C...well, it HAD A/C when it was new, not when I drove it. I used to keep a stash of extra shirts in the car because I'd often arrive at my destination drenched.
I drove one of these back in the 2010s, and loves it's looks and driving experience, but was concerned about it's execution and ownership experience (interior was super tight) and no place to put anything...Glad I didn't have $100k to buy it at the Caddy dealership selling it. I'm a sucker for early adoption and that purchase would have been disasterous.