Ricardo Montalban is the GOAT. He was the epitome of professionalism and discipline. That chest in Wrath of Khan was not prosthetic but "rich Montalban-leather."
Star Trek 2 is my favorite Star Trek movie. It's a great script, but Ricardo Montalban elevates the movie to perfection, and completely sells his incredible hatred for Kirk. I saw space seed a long time ago, but haven't had the desire to rewatch it because I kind of felt it wouldn't hold up to Star Trek 2, which I've seen many times. Thanks for the fun review, and showing how Ricardo Montalban was amazing even back in the original series.
I just rewatched Wrath of Khan, and I would say totally give Space Seed another viewing. Even if it doesn't have movie production values, Ricardo Montalban is worth it.
A great video again. I found your channel about a week with your video on Alixus. You make great points but are also relentless with your humour and snappy pacing. Even though I've been trying to cut down on the channels I follow... no regrets on subscribing to yours. I also cracked up with your forgetful and forgettable fluff. I've had many mishaps in my written comments so I'm no saint. I hope you take genuine enjoyment from it and don't kick yourself.
He's the captain. That and he may have had his own eye on her. 😍 Although forgetting her name, maybe not. Then again you have a ship full of people you hardly, if ever, interact with, you'd forget names too. Although you'd think he would know who was going on the away mission, unless they sprang her on him last minute. 😅
@@tilasole3252 Well, remember, there was that one episode where Kirk fell in love with a robot chick in a day while he was supposed to be finding a cure for a disease.
Despite the plot flaws, this is one of my favorite favorite episodes. And ST 2 is a movie I love so much, I have it stored in a box in case where I live gets a hurricane so I can make sure it isn't destroyed if all my trees fall on my house. All I really learned from the episode is that hot redheads like bad boys, and this was the first episode I believe where Kirk doesn't get the girl. But in all seriousness, I bet if we saw George Washington today it's a good chance we wouldn't recognize him, and that's because he did survive Smallpox and allegedly had a pox marked face that all the paintings of him at the time didn't have, and his death mask was said to be smoothed out so that they didn't show. Heck, I doubt Abe Lincoln wouldn't be recognized by anyone today if he wasn't wearing his signature hat. So in that sense, Khan not being recognized at first makes some sense. But Kirk really f*cked up letting him study technical manuals. As always, a great video! 🖖
I actually considered the point you made about George Washington when writing my script, since paintings have a good chance of not being a very good likeness to their subject. We'll never really know what some leaders looked like before a certain year. But I kept my point in my video because they had photographs of Khan. People could see what he looked like without an artist's interpretation. However, another comment pointed out that photos were hard to come by for that era, which might explain why Scotty didn't know Khan on sight. It's one of those points that could go either way. For the tech manuals, that always seems to be an issue in Star Trek. "Hey! Welcome on board, stranger! Want to study our manuals?" Also, I just remembered HISHE's Batman saying "Hey, I'm Batman. Wanna know my secret identity?" 😂 Glad you enjoyed the video!
Excellent point about Scotty, given that he was on the landing party! However, I suspect the writers were hoping to use the "we've lost many records from that time" line from Spock to paper over cracks like this. Scotty may have read about Kahn's exploits for example, but photos were somewhat harder to come by (perhaps also explaining why they took so long to dig it out). It's an excuse I know, but at least the writers gave it a little thought! 😁
I just thought of another similar plot hole in Conscience of the King: no one caught on that the infamous Kodos became a Shakespearean actor... and somehow there were only three people in that episode who could recognize him on sight.
or, how about that most ships - even the flagship - didn't have every bit of Earth's history stored in its databanks, &, perhaps connecting to SF's database (or Memory Alpha) wasn't a possibility, or took a while?
Ah yes MacGyvers, the Harley Quinn of Starfleet. Gave up a promising career because she thought a Psycho clown was cute 😂 great video as always! By the way, I know the Federation doesn't use money, but I let the adds play. So you can have a bit of cash in case you get pulled through a temporal anomaly of some sort and need to by a Mountain Dew at a gas station or something.
The little I know of Harley Quinn, yeah: that's a really good comparison. Lady on the path of a career only to fall for the bad boy. And thanks for the video/ad watches! May the Force be with you!
When I bring on a frozen genetically enhanced warlord from the late 20th century on my starship, I always put them in the care of crew members with obvious authoritarian affinities. The phaser locker passwor is set to 0000, and the destruct sequence is.. 000, BUT with the word Destruct, AND another 0 added to the end so it's totally fine. Khan's chest is Ricardo Montalbest.. Let's be real, even in the sixties Shatner was holding on to his youthful fit form with very white knuckles.
This is one of my favorite TOS episodes,Khan was a more than worthy foe for Kirk and crew. And there're more than 30 good episodes of TOS-just my 2 cents. There're not too many sci-fi shows from the 60s/70s that hold up story-wise ( yes,I know the special effects are dated ) and characters you LOVE and want to see on a weekly basis,Star Trek gives you this. Live Long and Prosper
Even though the production values of TOS feel very 60s (the sets, the props, etc.), it has indeed held up remarkably well for a Sci-Fi show from the 60.
@@JanelleWaz At the time Star Trek was on net-work tv it was one of the most expensive shows on tv back then.That's why the budget for the 3th season was cut in half,it was the last season of Trek any way. After the sets of Star Trek were destroyed the show-runners found out ST was getting very-GOOD-numbers ratings wises,but,it was-TOO-continue the show tho. Live Long and Prosper
When Nick Meyer got the job to direct ST2 he watched every episode of TOS and ONLY wanted to bring back Khan. Recognized space seed as the best episode, Khan the best adversary and Ricardo as the BEST actor that had ever been in it. But I loved it when school and Trek run into each other. We talked about Khan and eugenics in Sophomore biology as it was one of those ideas that people still wanted to do in the sixties. But had mostly faded from public memory by the 90s. Space Seed and Khan show us its possible outcome if carried out. Seriously in America at one time testing intelligence and purity almost got us a situation where people would be sterilized if they had a low IQ or mixed race or homosexual and a few others like mental or physical disabilities or psychopathy or schizophrenia. That almost happened! Even more aspects of strength, beauty, fat percentage, eyesight, hearing capabilities, tactical and mathematical abilities get us to making someone like Khan if taken to extreme. Hell, an America like that would have cured polio by killing everyone with it. So. Thank goodness we don't live there! I'm legally blind and colorblind and wouldn't be here.
People were sterilized in the USA in the name of eugenics. For men it was for criminal behavior and for women it was generally for promiscuity. The mentally ill and minorities were also targetted. I think one of the last laws regarding forced sterilization in america was finally repealed in 1979. This happened in many places in the west, Alan Turing was famously chemically castrated for being a homosexual. Kellog oddly enough was an early proponent.
15:42 Why did they give Khan a uniform? Are there literally no other clothes on the ship? Well there is, because his 70s jacket came from somewhere, so maybe don’t dress him up such that he’d blend in with the crew? Is it because he’s read all the tech manuals so now qualifies as an engineer? What good is a historian on a starship anyway? Anything they find out there will be new, so always outside her field of expertise… well except the occasional sleeper ship from Earth, obviously. And I appreciate how you say Khan only appeared twice, rightfully ignoring the Benadryl Cabbagepatch version from Into Darkness.
I just thought of Daniel Jackson in Stargate who would qualify as a historian and was always going on missions, but he was also a linguist, so that came in handy when they'd have to read something. And for Into Darkness, that's because there's only one Khan, and he's Ricardo Montalban.
Perhaps after this incident, Starfleet should've made a regulation that people in stasis pods (or similar) were not to be awakened, like, no matter what, unless under extremely controlled conditions, & to assume the worst about all of them. Would've prevented the Vaadwaur incident, in Dragon's Teeth (assuming Seven knew about - or would follow - the regulation), and deprived us of the wonderful Michael McKean as The Clown/Fear, in The Thaw....so...the regulation makes sense, but it would've meant (unless it had since been rescinded) losing two quite good Voyager episodes.
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20:54 would love to see one long video or a few normal videos of all the Khans. You already basically addressed this one, so just the second movie, the Enterprise version and the newer Star Trek Into Darkness version. You might even roll with Brent Spiner doing the Arik Soong and then transitioning into Noonien Soong (or the other way around depending how you look at it.) Would give us something to discuss 😊
@@JanelleWaz it was called Sherlock. Was, still might be on PBS. Surely on BritBox. Never seen Dr Strange, minus RUclips clips. I can definitely recommend Sherlock though. Has Martin Freeman as well, as Watson.
Hi, Jenelle. Glad you could finally do a treknalysis of an episode of Star Trek: The Original Series. 🟡🔵🔴 While I don't agree with Futurama's take that TOS has only 30 good episodes, (there are PLENTY that are underrated) "Space Seed" is DEFINITELY one of the more ionic. Giving us arguably Trek's greatest villain in KHAN!!!!
Who has the best chest? Why do we have to decide?! And, as an 80s kid, I'd throw David Hasselhoff & Tom Selleck into the mix, if one prefers a more hirsute look.
You know, between her obvious infatuation, from the moment she saw Khan, to her idiotic (and near immediate) devotion to him (very well documented in this video), to taking his physical abuse (not to mention joining in is takeover of the ship, her saving Kirk, notwithstanding)....one has to wonder if, in Kirk's day, the Academy had those scare-you-to-the-core-of-your-being psychological tests for cadets, as shown in TNG? Surely, even though she was an historian, she was still an officer, & expected to pass the same general tests & exams, as someone in Engineering, or Security, or, say, medical staff? I don't mean duty-specific tests, just general things like, 'would you ever fall for someone who's a physical threat to you, your commanding officer, your ship, and, possibly *the entire Federation*?!?! It seems as if McGivers never should've been allowed to graduate from the Academy - or, frankly, even been admitted - with, or, at least, until, her psychological issues were addressed.
Star Trek IV is a fun little movie. I can see it being a good entry movie to get people into Trek. Sure, you might have to explain why Spock is walking around in the robe, but it's a pretty accessible movie.
Something that irked me about this episode. Eugenics refers to genetic breeding. This would mean the parents of these supermen would have been specifically selected based on their superior genes. Khan certainly would have been born around thirty years or so prior. Let’s say this breeding program was in the 1960s. Those scientists would have been very aware of recent memory of previous genetic superiority experiments in the 1930s. Fans overlook that Khan’s parents must have been involved in this program, not in the 1990s, but in the 1950s or 1960s. I read that an earlier outline for this episode had the Eugenics Wars sometime in the early 21st century. Also, I don’t think Kirk was reprimanding McGivers so much as warning her not to give into temptation.
What most reviews of Khan don't go into is how spot on h is behavior is for a narcissistic abuser and how taking McGivers is a sped up version of how people fall into DV situations. I was on one such relationship with a man who related to Khan and thought he was my favorite villain because I like "strong" men. I didn't correct him that i found him so realistic and compelling, like he could really exist irl... which was stupid af at the time because my ex was a mirror to him in many ways and I fucking saw it and still was locked in that trauma bond. Kirk failed McGivers and sentenced her to a life of escalating abuse on that planet.
What I like most about Space Seed is how forward thinking it was to have this _superior man_ be someone who isn't a pure-ass white man. I mean think about it. TOS had virtually every other villian-of-the-week other than some of the Klingons be a white guy. Over and over. Occationally itr would be a white _lady_ but that was as far as you got for diversity.
My favrotie Khan version is Civvie 11's with William Shatner on the screen, but Civvie's voice screaming "Capestone" in Civiie11 Tekwar video in the first 40 seconds of the video. ruclips.net/video/5Tnqs2OIM44/видео.htmlfeature=shared A little back story, Capestone was not very good at making computer games, compared to some others, so much so, they were referred to "Crapstone". It's a running gag with Civie 11
Another discussion asked how could Khan, who was supposedly five times stronger then a regular human, lose to Kirk. The answer was, he was either over boasting his strength, he was over confident and toying with Kirk in a cat and mouse game or hard solid stick trumps over powering strength. I have a feeling it was the latter two, only because we do see Khan supposedly opening a locked door and especially when he crushes the phaser in his hand like it was a paper hat. Had Khan just beat him in hand to hand combat on the spot, he'd have one. Just as I recall,*****SPOILERS***** he made a similar mistake in the second movie. I forget the exact moment, but he underestimates or wants Kirk and his crew/family to suffer and strands them as the Enterprise had once done to them from Space Seed, instead of actually finishing him off. Also one can read all the manuals. Surely he has a great memory, as does his fellow augmented humans. But knowing how to do something in theory, is different in practice. A hundred different things can arise in an instant and even if you have your finger on the button, does not guarantee victory. The phasers may not fire due to some kind of outside or inside interference. Plus, most likely, the manual is only for the most basic of operations. A crew would have their own tactics, beyond the books. US military publishes it's tactics and people outside the military can buy most of them, including warfare ones. But each battalion, company and even platoon, may add or subtract and change how things are done. And without actual practicing, knowing something doesn't do you as much good.
To be fair, Khan is shown to be incredibly strong because of his enhanced genetics. He could very well have five times Kirk's strength. Heck, in Wrath of Khan, he lift Chekov off the ground with one hand and tosses debris on the Reliant like it's no big deal.
@@JanelleWaz I was trying to remember when Khan tosses debris on(to) the Reliant (from outer space or when grounded!?). It's been a while, but I just did not remember that part, nor knew why. Researched a clip and realized you meant when he lifted it off a fellow augmented. 😅
Ricardo Montalban is the GOAT. He was the epitome of professionalism and discipline. That chest in Wrath of Khan was not prosthetic but "rich Montalban-leather."
"Rich Montalban-leather" wins the comment section!
Star Trek 2 is my favorite Star Trek movie. It's a great script, but Ricardo Montalban elevates the movie to perfection, and completely sells his incredible hatred for Kirk. I saw space seed a long time ago, but haven't had the desire to rewatch it because I kind of felt it wouldn't hold up to Star Trek 2, which I've seen many times. Thanks for the fun review, and showing how Ricardo Montalban was amazing even back in the original series.
I just rewatched Wrath of Khan, and I would say totally give Space Seed another viewing. Even if it doesn't have movie production values, Ricardo Montalban is worth it.
The Great Star Trek Chest Off. This deserves a poll! lol
The Battle of the Boy Bands took many lives. But...they wanted it that way.
Tell me why
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🎶I bid on Shatner's old toupee... They had it on eBay!🎶
Whoops! That was Weird Al!
19:22 ahhh yes... When Colm Meaney was just a guest star 😅
A great video again. I found your channel about a week with your video on Alixus. You make great points but are also relentless with your humour and snappy pacing. Even though I've been trying to cut down on the channels I follow... no regrets on subscribing to yours. I also cracked up with your forgetful and forgettable fluff. I've had many mishaps in my written comments so I'm no saint. I hope you take genuine enjoyment from it and don't kick yourself.
Kirk calling MacGuyvers out for super quick romantic feelings is extremely ironic coming from him.
He's the captain. That and he may have had his own eye on her. 😍 Although forgetting her name, maybe not. Then again you have a ship full of people you hardly, if ever, interact with, you'd forget names too. Although you'd think he would know who was going on the away mission, unless they sprang her on him last minute. 😅
@@tilasole3252 Well, remember, there was that one episode where Kirk fell in love with a robot chick in a day while he was supposed to be finding a cure for a disease.
@@NerdilyDone I actually do not. Original ORG and ENT are the least I know about, with ORG being even less.
Despite the plot flaws, this is one of my favorite favorite episodes. And ST 2 is a movie I love so much, I have it stored in a box in case where I live gets a hurricane so I can make sure it isn't destroyed if all my trees fall on my house.
All I really learned from the episode is that hot redheads like bad boys, and this was the first episode I believe where Kirk doesn't get the girl. But in all seriousness, I bet if we saw George Washington today it's a good chance we wouldn't recognize him, and that's because he did survive Smallpox and allegedly had a pox marked face that all the paintings of him at the time didn't have, and his death mask was said to be smoothed out so that they didn't show. Heck, I doubt Abe Lincoln wouldn't be recognized by anyone today if he wasn't wearing his signature hat. So in that sense, Khan not being recognized at first makes some sense. But Kirk really f*cked up letting him study technical manuals. As always, a great video! 🖖
I actually considered the point you made about George Washington when writing my script, since paintings have a good chance of not being a very good likeness to their subject. We'll never really know what some leaders looked like before a certain year. But I kept my point in my video because they had photographs of Khan. People could see what he looked like without an artist's interpretation. However, another comment pointed out that photos were hard to come by for that era, which might explain why Scotty didn't know Khan on sight. It's one of those points that could go either way.
For the tech manuals, that always seems to be an issue in Star Trek. "Hey! Welcome on board, stranger! Want to study our manuals?" Also, I just remembered HISHE's Batman saying "Hey, I'm Batman. Wanna know my secret identity?" 😂
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Excellent point about Scotty, given that he was on the landing party! However, I suspect the writers were hoping to use the "we've lost many records from that time" line from Spock to paper over cracks like this.
Scotty may have read about Kahn's exploits for example, but photos were somewhat harder to come by (perhaps also explaining why they took so long to dig it out). It's an excuse I know, but at least the writers gave it a little thought! 😁
I just thought of another similar plot hole in Conscience of the King: no one caught on that the infamous Kodos became a Shakespearean actor... and somehow there were only three people in that episode who could recognize him on sight.
or, how about that most ships - even the flagship - didn't have every bit of Earth's history stored in its databanks, &, perhaps connecting to SF's database (or Memory Alpha) wasn't a possibility, or took a while?
Ah yes MacGyvers, the Harley Quinn of Starfleet. Gave up a promising career because she thought a Psycho clown was cute 😂 great video as always!
By the way, I know the Federation doesn't use money, but I let the adds play. So you can have a bit of cash in case you get pulled through a temporal anomaly of some sort and need to by a Mountain Dew at a gas station or something.
The little I know of Harley Quinn, yeah: that's a really good comparison. Lady on the path of a career only to fall for the bad boy.
And thanks for the video/ad watches! May the Force be with you!
5:36 that is the weakest pane of glass I've ever seen 😅
"Remember it's MacGyvers with 2 Ls"
There's a MacGyvers with 1 L, but she doesn't have a sense of humor.
When I bring on a frozen genetically enhanced warlord from the late 20th century on my starship, I always put them in the care of crew members with obvious authoritarian affinities.
The phaser locker passwor is set to 0000, and the destruct sequence is.. 000, BUT with the word Destruct, AND another 0 added to the end so it's totally fine.
Khan's chest is Ricardo Montalbest.. Let's be real, even in the sixties Shatner was holding on to his youthful fit form with very white knuckles.
Star Trek 6 is my favorite.
I only watched it once, but I remember it was a solid movie.
Half Priced Books is having a 20% off sale this Labor Day weekend from the 31st of Aug to the 2nd of Feb.
I didn't know anything about this episode when I saw the movie. Didn't even knew it existed at the time. Then I saw it and was like "ooooooh!"
3:25 wow uhhh i never realized how short Uhura's dress was! 😅
My favorite is the one with the whales! ❤
This is one of my favorite TOS episodes,Khan was a more than worthy foe for Kirk and crew. And there're more than 30 good episodes of TOS-just my 2 cents. There're not too many sci-fi shows from the 60s/70s that hold up story-wise ( yes,I know the special effects are dated ) and characters you LOVE and want to see on a weekly basis,Star Trek gives you this. Live Long and Prosper
Even though the production values of TOS feel very 60s (the sets, the props, etc.), it has indeed held up remarkably well for a Sci-Fi show from the 60.
@@JanelleWaz At the time Star Trek was on net-work tv it was one of the most expensive shows on tv back then.That's why the budget for the 3th season was cut in half,it was the last season of Trek any way. After the sets of Star Trek were destroyed the show-runners found out ST was getting very-GOOD-numbers ratings wises,but,it was-TOO-continue the show tho. Live Long and Prosper
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When Nick Meyer got the job to direct ST2 he watched every episode of TOS and ONLY wanted to bring back Khan. Recognized space seed as the best episode, Khan the best adversary and Ricardo as the BEST actor that had ever been in it.
But I loved it when school and Trek run into each other. We talked about Khan and eugenics in Sophomore biology as it was one of those ideas that people still wanted to do in the sixties. But had mostly faded from public memory by the 90s. Space Seed and Khan show us its possible outcome if carried out. Seriously in America at one time testing intelligence and purity almost got us a situation where people would be sterilized if they had a low IQ or mixed race or homosexual and a few others like mental or physical disabilities or psychopathy or schizophrenia.
That almost happened!
Even more aspects of strength, beauty, fat percentage, eyesight, hearing capabilities, tactical and mathematical abilities get us to making someone like Khan if taken to extreme. Hell, an America like that would have cured polio by killing everyone with it. So. Thank goodness we don't live there! I'm legally blind and colorblind and wouldn't be here.
People were sterilized in the USA in the name of eugenics. For men it was for criminal behavior and for women it was generally for promiscuity. The mentally ill and minorities were also targetted. I think one of the last laws regarding forced sterilization in america was finally repealed in 1979. This happened in many places in the west, Alan Turing was famously chemically castrated for being a homosexual.
Kellog oddly enough was an early proponent.
The heck you mean almost happened? It did happen, in many states. There have been lawsuits over forced sterilization.
@@mgelliott1i mean nationwide. You are absolutely right. Sorry, but i find the idea of a world without me one I wouldn't want to live in. LoL 🤣
15:42 Why did they give Khan a uniform? Are there literally no other clothes on the ship? Well there is, because his 70s jacket came from somewhere, so maybe don’t dress him up such that he’d blend in with the crew? Is it because he’s read all the tech manuals so now qualifies as an engineer?
What good is a historian on a starship anyway? Anything they find out there will be new, so always outside her field of expertise… well except the occasional sleeper ship from Earth, obviously.
And I appreciate how you say Khan only appeared twice, rightfully ignoring the Benadryl Cabbagepatch version from Into Darkness.
I just thought of Daniel Jackson in Stargate who would qualify as a historian and was always going on missions, but he was also a linguist, so that came in handy when they'd have to read something.
And for Into Darkness, that's because there's only one Khan, and he's Ricardo Montalban.
Perhaps after this incident, Starfleet should've made a regulation that people in stasis pods (or similar) were not to be awakened, like, no matter what, unless under extremely controlled conditions, & to assume the worst about all of them. Would've prevented the Vaadwaur incident, in Dragon's Teeth (assuming Seven knew about - or would follow - the regulation), and deprived us of the wonderful Michael McKean as The Clown/Fear, in The Thaw....so...the regulation makes sense, but it would've meant (unless it had since been rescinded) losing two quite good Voyager episodes.
There was also The Neutral Zone where Data woke up a couple of 20th century frozen people and Picard got annoyed at him for doing it.
1:15 Sign me up for the Star Trek Class, I wanna just watch them allll, from NX to Nemisis, and then maybe Season 3 Picard, I'll skip class during the Discovery, and Season 1-2 of Picard.
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20:54 would love to see one long video or a few normal videos of all the Khans. You already basically addressed this one, so just the second movie, the Enterprise version and the newer Star Trek Into Darkness version. You might even roll with Brent Spiner doing the Arik Soong and then transitioning into Noonien Soong (or the other way around depending how you look at it.) Would give us something to discuss 😊
I'm not a fan of Into Darkness, so my video would probably already have a bias. Benedict Cumberbatch is a good actor, but he's no Khan.
@@JanelleWaz how is he for Holmes and Dr Strange?
@@tilasole3252 Never saw either of those. He was good in Amazing Grace, though.
@@JanelleWaz it was called Sherlock. Was, still might be on PBS. Surely on BritBox. Never seen Dr Strange, minus RUclips clips. I can definitely recommend Sherlock though. Has Martin Freeman as well, as Watson.
@@JanelleWaz remember when J.J. swore up & down, that he *wasn't* Khan
Hi, Jenelle. Glad you could finally do a treknalysis of an episode of Star Trek: The Original Series. 🟡🔵🔴
While I don't agree with Futurama's take that TOS has only 30 good episodes, (there are PLENTY that are underrated) "Space Seed" is DEFINITELY one of the more ionic. Giving us arguably Trek's greatest villain in KHAN!!!!
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Futurama exaggerated a little bit. TOS has it's share of duds, but there are some great ones in there.
Save the 90's heartthrob? He doesn't LOOK like Jonathan Taylor Thomas...sweet Kahless, I'm old.
Who has the best chest? Why do we have to decide?! And, as an 80s kid, I'd throw David Hasselhoff & Tom Selleck into the mix, if one prefers a more hirsute look.
You know, between her obvious infatuation, from the moment she saw Khan, to her idiotic (and near immediate) devotion to him (very well documented in this video), to taking his physical abuse (not to mention joining in is takeover of the ship, her saving Kirk, notwithstanding)....one has to wonder if, in Kirk's day, the Academy had those scare-you-to-the-core-of-your-being psychological tests for cadets, as shown in TNG? Surely, even though she was an historian, she was still an officer, & expected to pass the same general tests & exams, as someone in Engineering, or Security, or, say, medical staff? I don't mean duty-specific tests, just general things like, 'would you ever fall for someone who's a physical threat to you, your commanding officer, your ship, and, possibly *the entire Federation*?!?! It seems as if McGivers never should've been allowed to graduate from the Academy - or, frankly, even been admitted - with, or, at least, until, her psychological issues were addressed.
People who do not even Trek like Star Trek 4.
Star Trek IV is a fun little movie. I can see it being a good entry movie to get people into Trek. Sure, you might have to explain why Spock is walking around in the robe, but it's a pretty accessible movie.
Something that irked me about this episode. Eugenics refers to genetic breeding. This would mean the parents of these supermen would have been specifically selected based on their superior genes. Khan certainly would have been born around thirty years or so prior. Let’s say this breeding program was in the 1960s. Those scientists would have been very aware of recent memory of previous genetic superiority experiments in the 1930s.
Fans overlook that Khan’s parents must have been involved in this program, not in the 1990s, but in the 1950s or 1960s. I read that an earlier outline for this episode had the Eugenics Wars sometime in the early 21st century.
Also, I don’t think Kirk was reprimanding McGivers so much as warning her not to give into temptation.
What most reviews of Khan don't go into is how spot on h is behavior is for a narcissistic abuser and how taking McGivers is a sped up version of how people fall into DV situations. I was on one such relationship with a man who related to Khan and thought he was my favorite villain because I like "strong" men. I didn't correct him that i found him so realistic and compelling, like he could really exist irl... which was stupid af at the time because my ex was a mirror to him in many ways and I fucking saw it and still was locked in that trauma bond. Kirk failed McGivers and sentenced her to a life of escalating abuse on that planet.
Earlier today, I watched a video about movies that changed the world. STIV somehow didn't make the list.
ST4 tends to get overshadowed by Wrath of Khan. It's a bit of a comfort movie for me. It's a fun movie with a plot that was so crazy it *had* to work.
What I like most about Space Seed is how forward thinking it was to have this _superior man_ be someone who isn't a pure-ass white man. I mean think about it. TOS had virtually every other villian-of-the-week other than some of the Klingons be a white guy. Over and over. Occationally itr would be a white _lady_ but that was as far as you got for diversity.
Klingons were basically Russian, thus white, even if they were painted like Mongolians 👀 and I know there are different looking Russians, but yea....
In my head cannon the blond dude in the Wrath of Kahn is their son.
It is confirmed by the movie script
@@anuvisraa5786 I do not mean David.
@@nicoleackerman205 ho then who?
Remember... Except for Scotty... All red shirts (and skirts) are expendable.****"SPOILER*****
It just took the 2nd movie to relize her fate... 👀
My favrotie Khan version is Civvie 11's with William Shatner on the screen, but Civvie's voice screaming "Capestone" in Civiie11 Tekwar video in the first 40 seconds of the video.
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A little back story, Capestone was not very good at making computer games, compared to some others, so much so, they were referred to "Crapstone". It's a running gag with Civie 11
Another discussion asked how could Khan, who was supposedly five times stronger then a regular human, lose to Kirk. The answer was, he was either over boasting his strength, he was over confident and toying with Kirk in a cat and mouse game or hard solid stick trumps over powering strength. I have a feeling it was the latter two, only because we do see Khan supposedly opening a locked door and especially when he crushes the phaser in his hand like it was a paper hat.
Had Khan just beat him in hand to hand combat on the spot, he'd have one. Just as I recall,*****SPOILERS*****
he made a similar mistake in the second movie. I forget the exact moment, but he underestimates or wants Kirk and his crew/family to suffer and strands them as the Enterprise had once done to them from Space Seed, instead of actually finishing him off.
Also one can read all the manuals. Surely he has a great memory, as does his fellow augmented humans. But knowing how to do something in theory, is different in practice. A hundred different things can arise in an instant and even if you have your finger on the button, does not guarantee victory. The phasers may not fire due to some kind of outside or inside interference.
Plus, most likely, the manual is only for the most basic of operations. A crew would have their own tactics, beyond the books. US military publishes it's tactics and people outside the military can buy most of them, including warfare ones. But each battalion, company and even platoon, may add or subtract and change how things are done. And without actual practicing, knowing something doesn't do you as much good.
To be fair, Khan is shown to be incredibly strong because of his enhanced genetics. He could very well have five times Kirk's strength. Heck, in Wrath of Khan, he lift Chekov off the ground with one hand and tosses debris on the Reliant like it's no big deal.
@@JanelleWaz I was trying to remember when Khan tosses debris on(to) the Reliant (from outer space or when grounded!?). It's been a while, but I just did not remember that part, nor knew why. Researched a clip and realized you meant when he lifted it off a fellow augmented. 😅
And this is why men shouldn't be in charge. 😏
he treated the woman EXACTLY they must be treated... you can´t give too much voice to a woman, they're in this planet to serve men
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