Hey All, These are all previous videos that I did , going back as far as over a year ago. The Dominion War Series ensured that the channel is what it is today. A lot of these, I'm not actually all that proud of.. I am really looking forward to putting together an extensive, comprehensive long form video that details the entirety of the writing that is the dominion War. Hope you guys enjoy the super cut .. and whether you do or not.. I guarantee the revamped version will be ten times what this is.
Nice monolog at the begging. You've been practicing and holy cow...I just noticed the length of the video. You have been busy. P.S. Star Fleet maybe adamat about they're not being a military but I don't know of any other org. that performs court martials for anything other than breaking military law.
I don't know if you actually care enough or not , but you can actually get a decent and accurate measure of the size of the federation fleet from in canon references. If you're interested I can explain it. If you just want a number... somewhere between 400 and 600 ships.
@@siphra It depends on how you approach me. However, when I do these break downs I do it from what is considered canon by the IP Holders.. Which creates issues. We can't go by the way they look..they scale the ships based on what looks 'cool'.. The defiant gets larger and smaller based on what you see. Generally it has to be dialogue or on a screen.. Even licensed works don't count (they licensed alot).. That said, even if it wasn't with in 'canon'.. I'd be curious how long and how you got tehre?
@@LoreReloaded The only 'leap of logic' I make in the entire calculation is the assumption that there exists some type of detente between the 3 major powers, Klingons, Romulans, and Federation. (granted that may be a leap of logic...) Everything else comes from onscreen sources. Particularly a line from, what is apparently your favorite series, DS9. In "Way of the Warrior" We're told that the Klingons have put in "Well over 100 ships" and committed " almost a third " of it's military. Being generous, and assuming that you need to supply a fleet that is not typically larger than the ground forces you are committing to battle, which holds true of real world navies, that gives us an upper limit of 600 ships for the entire Klingon Military. It is also often accepted that Wolf 359 was a major battle, and that the loss of 40 ships was significant. Note even though we are told that the "back up in less than a year" it should be pointed out that this holds true for real world navies as well. After Pearl Harbor, the US managed to recover, in 3 months time mind you, 3 Battleships, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Tennessee, and most of the smaller ships. What likely happened here is the 39 destroyed ships were recovered, and repaired. If 40 ships was as significant as we are led to believe by dialogue from The Best of Both Worlds Part II, then we have an absolute upper limit on the number of ships. 2% of your fleet is simply not a significant amount. So there must be, logically, fewer than 2000 ships. This is where we get to logic and detente, If the Klingons were absolutely outnumbered 3:1 in ships, in particular given the range of quality of ships they had, they never would have gone to war with the Federation, nor would they have had the successes they did. We can surmise also, that even though we know the Klingons put a vast amount of resources into their military, they would have had a hard time keeping up with a large federation fleet. But we also know the mentality of the Federation. They would avoid anything that could potentially be seen as a build up, because a build up would lead to war. It is likely then that the federation had a fleet not significantly larger than the Klingons, but of course, not significantly smaller. If the Battle of Wolf 359 consisted of 7-10% of the fleet, that would be a significant blow, but not crippling. In addition having a fleet the same size as the Klingons, or Romulans would allow them to have security without being overly militarized, from the perspective of the Romulans and Klingons. Really the only assumptions here are : A) The Federation sees itself as a peaceful organization built for exploration; and B) The people in charge have some knowledge of the geopolitical situation (geopolitical clearly not the right word here, galactopolitical?) and are dedicated to peace. This puts a maximum number of Federation ships cap at exactly 1:1 with the Klingons, and likely was less. So it stands, the Klingon fleet is fewer than 600 ships, the Federation fleet must also be. The Federation fleet however can not be significantly smaller than the Klingons or else the Klingons wouldn't wait to invade. In addition it can't be too much smaller than 400 ships, as the loss of ships would be far worse if it were. So a safe range, based on canon is 400-600 ships.
@@DaMonkie The Dominion War was basically the result of when humanity forgets the almost perfect balance between geopolitical/galaxy-wide politics and military science. The Federation in Picard's Generation was vastly ignorant and incompetent to a certain extent believing that diplomacy would always win 100% of the time which is why Ron Moore wanted the Borg to be the catalyst to making some elements of Starfleet to realize that any war would see their civilization destroyed. Many ST fans ignored the lessons from Q amid their favoritism to Picard, Janeway, early Sisko, and the rest of each character in each of the 3 shows of Star Trek during/in the 24th century. For Captains like Jellico, Maxwell, Pressman & later Sisko were ultimately right in the end regarding how the Federation was making extremely dumb decisions when it came to NOT utilizing the full strength of good diplomacy alongside with military strength to sway their opponents and preventing war - hence the motto 'Peace Through Strength". That was once the Federation during Kirk's era. The tragedy of both the Cardassian & Dominion Wars was that humanity despite their utopian & liberal deontological intentions created & promoted the very environment that they were hoping to fight against. They allowed slavery, they brokered a very bad treaty with the Cardaissans that led to the Maquis uprising, and their desire to explore & violate the sovereignty of another galaxy wide superpower (even it was the Dominion) help jump start the path to a massive conflict across many star systems.
Captain Worf? The actor of Worf, Mr. Dorn, has been pushing the studio for the last decade to make this a reality. It'll be a true tragedy if we never see Michael Dorn and Worf as a bonefide captain in Canon.
@@jamessinclair8840 I would love to see Captain Worf! It might even be interesting to see him first exploring more off the Klingons and the rebuilding they have. Perhaps him even serving on a Klingon ship or soemthing
The novels and canon material are all there. The thing is that the TV studio's don't want to lose creative control and pay the writers of the novels. It is the same reason why we got 'D' Star Wars and Legend's Star Wars....
Paramount lost the rights to Star Trek with cbs Viacom split in 2006 and despite cbs and Viacom remerging in 2019 cbs retained the rights to Star Trek so paramount couldn’t create a Star Trek show even if they wanted to without permission from cbs I’m not sure if that still have the Star Trek movie rights after the 2019 reunion of cbs and Viacom
I just wish that the Dominion War had made it's way onto the big screen, especially if they created a large hand-to-hand combat scene between thousands of Klingons and Jem'Hadar soldiers. That would have been 'awesome'.
At least another show. At the time, I couldn't believe there wasn't another show that dealt with the aftermath after DS9. Just a few lines of dialogue in the Voyager series and TNG movies.
They had an opportunity to do that with Star Trek: Insurrection (they even name drop the Dominion War during the movie since it's ongoing at the time) but they did nothing with it. Like, why the fuck wasn't the Enterprise-E, Starfleet's flagship, fighting on the front lines?
Regarding Quark taking up a rifle without a second thought, there's a lot of dramatic irony in him and Sisko looking down on each other, each considering their civilizations morally superior to the other's - and despite trying to keep up appearances and save face with Ferengi society by claiming that profit is more important to him than all else, when push comes to shove, ultimately the thing that's most important to Quark is family.
I like how you mentioned the Dominion missing section 31. Everybody in the alpha quadrant knew about the tal shiar and obsidian order. Very few people had knowledge of section 31 existing. I am sure this was by design.
This is a great overview of the war. AR558 is one of my favorite episodes. Having been in combat before I think they did a fairly good job of describing the realities as best they could. The battle itself is probably more similar to what some troops experienced during the Vietnam war in trying to hold a small base camp. I think the writers did a great job of showing a place that while highlighted an important battle for those involved, show the craziness of how such a hard fought place does not play in the bigger scheme of the war effort. For example, hold this hill only later to give it up with no understandable reason for why we held the hill in the first place. Again great job of laying out the blow by blow of the war.
@@randomlyentertaining8287 I am not 100% sure but I assume it is from "in the pale moonlight" judging by the character's quoted + what this episode is about. It is an episode where Garek helps Sisko get the romulans to join the dominion war and the way he does it truly angers Sisko even though it works.
Let them die, was the starting point. The I was wrong, was the culmination of his journey, that would give the future a chance to exist without that hatred. That’s not delicious, that’s a good narrative payoff.
@@garlandremingtoniii4679 Except in the 24th century. Racism is dead thanks to the Van Gelder Device and Section 31 keeps you blissfully ignorant of all the nasty they do to keep you alive. This is the only way, the ONLY WAY, a society as seemingly good as Earth seems to be could ever exist. Something that actually selfless ultimately dies to preserve people who have nothing to do with them... because they're that selfless. That or someone declares war and they either don't shoot back at all or don't hit below the belt.
26:00 - A major element of TOS series is how Starfleet and the UFP is not a military or militarized group. The years between the close of Enterprise up to the Borg and later the Dominion war, while interrupted by occasional problems like conflict at Organia or destruction of Starbases by the Romulans and Gorn, were halcyon days of growth, exploration and general peace in the quadrant. Really enjoying this.
My only problem with that assertion from Rodenberry is that it flies in the face of everything starfleet for a non military organization it is very much a miltiary in all the way that matters its even referred to as such by Carol and David Marcus in the Wrath of Khan and rightfully so. Realistically if walks like a duck quacks like a duck it's interpreted such in a political sense especially given who starfleet is up against would defintely agree.
Section 31 was the most efficient Covert Organisation in the milky way. This was because the law that made them, basically said that in times of war, all of starfleet was section 31. So it would've been impossible to determine their threat level. That and the fact that star fleet vehemently denied their existence meant that section 31 had many decoys and hid itself very well. They also had by definition, operatives everywhere, who had no idea who they actually answered to. One would therefore not view them as a threat, and if you started a war against them...prepare for total annihilation.
You're right, Adam, Star Fleet really should have built up their navy. I'm definitely going to make a point of that someday when I'm the invincible overlord.
DS9 was the best series. It had actors who could do big screen or stage and make it work. From season 2 and onwards it had a consistent and realistic plot with great villains that haven’t been emulated since.
@@stevenhunt3113 having trek doesn’t make a good ST series. Having great actors, a good consistent storyline with in depth character development makes a great Trek.
@@reginaldshort8486 to me, Trek insinuates movement, that was the only real issue I ever had with the Star Trek franchise. The storyline were usually pretty good and the actors were top notch.
Thank you for doing this collection. I am a TOS fan. I grew to like STTNG. But, I love DS9. I watched DS9 every year from beginning to end because of the writing, the direction and the acting by a great ensemble cast. To me it is a show which has a message that are the episodes that strikes the most at home with me. That is why it is the only TV show that I can watch over and over again and still enjoy it. There is no other show that is still talks to me with its messages for the most number of episodes. There are a lot of shows that I try to watch over again, but DS9 is the only show that does not become boring as I watch it over and over again. Your analysis and narrative just adds more new enjoyment with viewing those episodes.
Underneath that kind sweet exterior she can be a realist too. And it is not because of the Dax symbiote but because of the fact that she came from a family that had its dirty secrets. She did not really grow up in a Federation world.
I have a great admiration for DS9 and Star Trek because of the Dominion War, and also the way it presented key scenes with so much power and movement in their acting it really made me humble how good Star Trek is NOT JUST FOCUSING ON THE LIFE OF ONE STARSHIP, but the whole quadrant as well as existing species evolving and newer ones presented for the audience Thank you for this it really is amazing how there is interest in years old series focusing on the Lore aspect and stories! Well done!
Great show!! I think the Humans and Vulcans wanted to evolve out of their violent primitive past. Both species were unable to face their true selves and influenced each other towards a Federation always unready for war. It was a weakness of species rather than a weakness of the organization. The irony is how the more warlike species did not do much better in the end.
That speech about paradise from Sisko is on of the many reasons he is my favorite Captain. He had a more realistic viewpoint of Humanity, the Federation and Starfleet, especially when compared to early TNG Picard. I love TNG and Picard, but those early seasons were preachy to annoying levels.
Yeah, but let's not forget Siskos Daddy was a steaming Idiot, alrighty? Maybe in THIS CASE, no Gain was gained, but that doesnt mean the Blood Tests were not reasonable at all. Maybe if it was meant to be unreasonable, they should have made it unreasonable? For example, it was always said the Blood Test may fail, but we never actually see it... what great writing...
preachy to annoying?? so your a DS9 fanboy then. No actual treky would call picard preachy and annoying lol. If you think that and like Cpt Benjy you will probably love the new series with all the action and pew pews
@@makkaschatsanddits7899 I will admit that DS9 is my favorite series. But it is closely followed by TNG. I've re-watched TNG more often, and everytime I find the first two seasons to be of a lesser quality when compared to the later seasons. Those are the ones that I find Picard to be annoyingly preachy. Compared to later seasons, it comes of as heavy handed. As for liking the new shows, you're wrong. I didn't like them. I watched of couple of Discovery episodes, and decided not to watch anymore. I didn't watch Picard, because I heard it was a character assassination of my second favorite Captain. I only watched the Lower Decks pilot, which I enjoyed as it was a return to more lighthearted Trek. I am a huge Trekkie. I have been for around 12 years now. Just because I have a differing opinion from yours doesn't make me any less of a fan. We can all like or dislike different things about Star Trek. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. What matters is that we share a love of Star Trek. Live Long and Prosper.🖖
Reverend Picard was preachy and annoying. And just a bit of "holier than thou, even thou l don't believe in holiness. Just that my way is better than yours." Sisko puts a hard stop to Q's fisticuffs and "mano et mano" something Picard never quiet manages to do. Even so, I think the new Picard attempt at a series is a shame and could use some creativity and plain old good writing. Strange how TOS, made 50+ years ago on a shoestring budget but with good writing, puts the most expensive tv show out there to shame. ☹
I always thought the Paradise speech was a reflection of what the writers thought about modern Western nations. More or less, compared to the third world, North America/Europe is like Earth in DS9's time
@@LoreReloaded I think the uk will be in a much better shape further down the road may be a bit dodgy To begin with but we will be able to bulid better trade deals with the USA and rest of the world
With the tremendous popularity to this day of the Dominion War arc on Deep Space Nine I still can't fathom why the "powers that be" who own the Star Trek franchise still have not given us a whole entire series devoted just to the Romulan War!
Quark ironically was the most honest person in the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrant. He always cut through the. Bullshit and told people how they really were.
That's an important point when it comes to assessing Quark. For all of his scheming in illegal dealings, which, of course, includes a lot of lying, he was brutally honest about people and organisations. For example, there is his conversation with Garak about the Federation, comparing it to root beer. That was brilliant! I personally love root beer - it's my favourite fizzy drink - but that only served to make the analogy so much more powerful for me. I don't drink root beer often these days, but when I do, the taste is - as Quark said, "cloying." I got the idea that there was more to Quark than what showed on the surface in the pilot of DS9, "The Emissary." Quark tells Sisko, when Sisko recruits him to stay on DS9, that the Bajoran provisional government was too provisional for hm. He saw a distinct likelihood of being lined up against a wall and shot. Quark may be a crook (at least by Federation standards - the Rules of Acquisition make him a virtual hero), a clown at times, and generally a coward, but he really does pay attention on a deep level. He sees past rhetoric and façades.
11:55 - I'm actually surprised the Klingons suffered so FEW deaths. If they're a multi-planetary civilization and a major power, then their population must be in the billions or tens of billions. If they did not lose even 1 million people in the Dominion War, that's actually a low price to pay, and especially so when you consider the Klingons LIKE dying in battle.
Kirk was no fool. He was many things: captain, explorer, space whore but James Tiberius Kirk was no fool when it came to war. I wish more Captains in the TNG era were like him.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form provided indeed, Very greatly well put together and well presented and produced indeed!,👌.
Sicko was correct. You do not surrender to tyranny, you fight to the last man. The core of the Star Spangled Banner wasn't a song about a battle that we had won and were pushing the British back, but just the opposite. We lost that battle, but we refused to surrender, "Americans would rather die on our feet, than live on our knees." Francis Scott Keys. You do not surrender and as a Marine, I carried that into battle.
That goes back to Thermopylae and Masada, and came forward to Mariupol, Bakhmut and Avdiivka. If you can't win, then take as many of the bastards with you as you can.
@@scottwilliams3595looks like we both found the communist in the chat... I will never understand how people could hate a country which has done so much good in the world, especially if you live in it
Yeah, but let's not forget Siskos Daddy was a steaming Idiot, alrighty? Maybe in THIS CASE, no Gain was gained, but that doesnt mean the Blood Tests were not reasonable at all. Maybe if it was meant to be unreasonable, they should have made it unreasonable? For example, it was always said the Blood Test may fail, but we never actually see it... what great writing...
Awesome man just competly awesome. But you forgot to include how much the gelato machines impacted the war. Still a very good video its awesome. And I do agree thank you for the 2 plus hours of entertainment took me from being a bit depressed and pissed off to being in a good mode for work.
Remember that it would've taken weeks to months for most of the fleet to reach Wolf 359 so having just 40 ships able to respond with many being older ships is quite reasonable.
You really did an excellent job with all of your research into this. Gave some of us in the Trek community a lot to process. It may also provide some insights into why Captain Picard will be so completely different in his new series coming out. Anyway, great video. Live long and prosper 🖖
I personally think the Vorta and Jem'Hadar were altered from pre-existing species. Two reasons why I think this: 1-Weyoun's story of a primitive Vorta hiding a changling fleeing from a group of solids; 2-Weyoun's line (I'm ASSUMING it's an earlier clone of Weyoun since the character was played by the actor who played Weyoun...and Commander Shran in Enterprise) to Sisko that "the ability of the Founders to control the Jem'Hadar has been slightly...'overstated'. That's why we had to addict them to the White". If the Jem'Hadar had been a species SOLELY created by the Founders then there would have been NO need to addict the Jem'Hadar to the White (assuming that Weyoun actually WAS telling the truth). Again, this is just my own personal opinion.
You had me until 44:00. The nebula class has an interchangeable upper pod which can, like the Sutherland contain a weapons' pod. And, disregarding thoe low numbers of production of the Galaxy, they built 6 and had an additional 6 spaceframes ready to rock in urgent situations. Also, the GCS is considered (pre-war) to be a match 1v1 vs a D'deridex. Granted, your assertion of the UFP having become a paper tiger is correct, but the Galaxy spaceframe was built for a hull-life of 100 years, and while certain deficiencies occurred early on, the war-refit became an absolute monolith in battle.
Now the Picard series is after Dominion War, after the Romulus destruction. It will be interesting to see the changes of Starfleet and Federation post war on screen.
ONLY if they use the original state of what Star Trek was, if they go STD/Jar Jar Trek, the Picard series will suck as bad as STD was on its premier night.
Oddo "Come on Quark lets go to shelter' Quark "I'm not going ti any shelter this is bar and I'm going to defend it with this!" Oddo: "Your going to hit them with a box?" Quark: "This is my disrupter pistol when I serbed on ship." Oddo: "I thought you were a cook?" Quark:"I was and everyone there thouht they were a food crituc" He open the box and there is a note! Oddo takes it and reads it. Oddo: "I used parts of your disruptor pistol to fix the replicator hope your not mad Ron!" Quark: "I will kill him!" Oddo: "With what?"
This was very nice and convenient. It had some rough edges and the styles switched from time to time but all in all a very good entertaining and also inspiring video. Made some things realy clear. And as i said before... Don't f*** with Sisko. He is the f*****g Samuel Jackson on this f*****g Space Station and he dont like f*****g Snakes... Damn... wrong script... Never mind... So thanks for the work and the upload. Greetings from Germany.
I was impressed with the amount of time put into this. I would like to point out that the fact DS9 had the story arc over the show was in response to how Babylon 5 has a story arc over the years of the show.
The Dominion War was exactly what the Federation needed. Not even the Borg threat was enough to stop the slow decay and rot that was oozing from the lumbering, necrotic beast that was the UFP. The Dominion came in, cut the rot from the bone and caused an accelerated growth of new, strong and vital parts.
In the television show Enterprise Archer was shown that in the future Klingons Kardashians and many of the old Powers would become part of the Federation so that's how it's going to end up being
We have failed as a people if the Kardashians become a power in the quadrant. We must eliminate this growing threat now to secure the future from reality TV and trailer park trash with money.
1:31:48 - What we saw unfold in DS9 when the Dominion War really kicked into high gear, and your point about Roddenberry's "vision" for the future of humanity reminds me of something Quark says to Nog in the episode, "The Siege of AR-558": "“Let me tell you something about humans, nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people-as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time, and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon.”" It's not about telling a story where humanity's ideals are never tested (those can be boring). Rather, what's interesting, and perhaps far more compelling is telling a story about how humanity is able to face adversity, and somehow get through it with some semblance of humanity's ideals intact. What DS9 managed to show in its run, and particularly via the overarching Dominion War storyline is precisely that. That, despite the hellish nature of war, humanity (and its allies) managed to triumph, albeit somewhat changed by the experience. But isn't there always a price to be paid for such things? War is never glorious, or beautiful, and many times it forces humanity to make some very tough decisions. And it is our ability to make the best decision, however difficult, that can define, or redefine us as a species. We now stand once more at the crossroads of destiny as it were, where humanity is developing technology that may soon allow us to explore the great unknown, "final frontier". What sort of decisions will lead us into that brave new world? What sort of future will we forge as we make contact with new and alien civilizations? How will it change us? And how will we change the galaxy at large? How will future generations redefine what it means to be "human" as we boldly go where no one has gone before?
FYII Federation Ground Troops are drawn from individual member worlds like the Andorean Imperial Guard and Terran MACO. Also, the Federation has massive reserves of old and older Ships, Constitution, Chandleys, Northamptons, Saladins, Mirandas, Andor, Ambassadors, Excelsiors, and dozens more. The new construction ships are technological nastiness produced by a species containing such personalities as Leonardo DaVinci, Michaelavelli, Nimitz, Eisenhauer, and Audie Murphy.
Cool vid I’d love if the federation and starfleet became a hybrid of science exploitation but be ready to fight and have the ability to take the fight and win When I watched tng I noticed humans and member worlds had become soft to comfortable Paradise had made them soft And with the threats out there the federation had gotten stale
Sorry if I missed a better place for this. If you're looking for a new idea for another on trial video, here's a thought; Kevin Uxbridge from the TNG episode "The Survivors. On the surface, he wiped out an entire race in grief, which many would say is unforgivable. But upon further thought, he might have done the Federation, and potentially the galaxy, a favor. He destroyed, in his words, "a species of hideous intelligence who knew only aggression and destruction." Now we don't know for sure, but if his recreation of the ship is accurate to the vessel that attacked the colony, then it was able to brush off a full barrage of weapons from a Galaxy class star ship, while stripping the ship's shields with a single volley. If a full on war had broken out, Starfleet likely would have been routed, and quite possibly, the entire galaxy would have been conquered. At least the Borg seek to make people better (even if we don't agree with their vision). These guys, sounds like they just wanted to destroy everything in sight. So perhaps Kevin Uxbridge did the galaxy a favor by removing them from the galaxy before they realized there was more to destroy than just one little colony. Just an idea.
Slightly off topic but Garak had to know that beat down was coming. A man like him had Captain Sisko pegged from pretty early on when the dominion war started getting hotter than the Federation anticipated. So he knew a bit of a thrashing was coming but he likely also knew how to handle it even without his counter-torture implant. He also knew when to bring up the key points to get the man to back off so he could get back to his work and without Sisko, and the obvious descent, the Alpha Quadrant was gonna have a much rougher time.
"When asked for his orders, he only had one: 'hold.'" Yaknow, this reminds me of a few situations during ww2. One of them being the battle of the bulge: "Nuts!" Lol And here's one from ww1: "They shall not pass!" This one is a quote from a french general, whose orders were just that. "They shall not pass!" If i remember correctly, it was a fort near an important french city, which the entire time was used as a distraction for german forces to regroup and attack elsewhere. As this target was not considered important enough by the german army leaders, but they needed a distraction to hit more important targets. And it almost worked too. In any case the fort was bombarded and sieged so much that the very ground turned to mud and mush. Not a single blade of grass reminded. Crazy stuff. You should get into history videos my dude. I think you'd explain the events fairly well.
How has no one picked up a post Dominion war Star Trek? So much potential and with a more militarized Federation there's a lot of room for action sequences that Hollywood loves.
KURTZMAN DREK SURE AS HELL DIDN'T DO THAT it's all SWEARING MARIJUANA GROSS VIOLENCE FORCED SJW WOKENESS FORCED GAY 7 OF 9 NONSENSE SCRIPTS except for PICARD season 3
As a Vet. I watched this episode several years after it was made. It was a few years after I got back from Iraq. I found it so cringy. I really hate when the "effects of war" try to be acted out on the screen. Either the actor overacts and makes all combat vet seem like deranged killers who enjoy it or they make them seem like they are incapable of integrating back into society. Yes, it was hard to watch because it was RIDICULOUS.
It was likely more cost effective for Starfleet to refit already existing ships rather than focus on building new ones. That being said, numerous new combat oriented starships were built, but time was also a significant factor.
@@joer9323 while that is likely the writer's chosen reason, that's not how the real world works. after a ship has worked itself down to the point where it struggles to achieve a respectable state, and you need to gut the ship to replace systems, it's almost always cheaper to just build a new ship. this is why a warship generally only has 20 years of active service (more or less depending on how active their active service is). this has been the truth for warships since the sail was replaced by steam and hulls became iron, and as material and tech advances, the cost of gutting a ship only goes up. I'd assume duranium and tritanium take a lot longer to cut through safely and in a none-explosive manner than steel does.
@@joer9323 Except it's stated in TNG that Tritanium cannot be melted by current phaser tech. unlike Steelplast you need solid cutting tools to cut processed Tritanium, that or apply enough energy to essentially shatter Tritanium as what happens in ship to ship combat. Phasers can cut through and melt duranium but it takes a lot of doing and time, unless you wish to just vaporize sections of duranium hull altogether. Even then, the planning and workarounds you have to do in upgrading an existing ship's hull or interior, then implementing said plans and workarounds can take time, time better spent just using a ship plan you already have and building that. If you need to implement tech or a new design change, that can be done before building the next ship and implementing it there. Retrofits of existing ships tends to only occur in times of peace or if you have to dry-dock a ship for repairs during time of war, since the ship is already in dry-dock there's no reason to not add tech or weapons to the ship for it's next battle. it is far easier and more efficient to use your ship yards to build a new ship and copious amounts of them. look at world war 2, sure the USN could have retrofit ships, but it was more efficient to keep completed ships commissioned while building several dozens of new ones like the Fletcher-class destroyer, and just flood the oceans with them.
@@ZeroSonaku You make valid points. I was primarily thinking in terms of cost. I'm sure even Starfleet can't just build ships for free. Costs almost always skyrocket in wartime.
22:50 I think this "new" weapon is really an old weapon only used in defense until now. The Klingons sent a large fleet to conquer the Breen. Nobody came home.
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Hey All, These are all previous videos that I did , going back as far as over a year ago. The Dominion War Series ensured that the channel is what it is today. A lot of these, I'm not actually all that proud of.. I am really looking forward to putting together an extensive, comprehensive long form video that details the entirety of the writing that is the dominion War. Hope you guys enjoy the super cut .. and whether you do or not.. I guarantee the revamped version will be ten times what this is.
Nice monolog at the begging. You've been practicing and holy cow...I just noticed the length of the video. You have been busy. P.S. Star Fleet maybe adamat about they're not being a military but I don't know of any other org. that performs court martials for anything other than breaking military law.
@@readhistory2023 this is just my old videos before i start the new series
I don't know if you actually care enough or not , but you can actually get a decent and accurate measure of the size of the federation fleet from in canon references. If you're interested I can explain it. If you just want a number... somewhere between 400 and 600 ships.
@@siphra It depends on how you approach me. However, when I do these break downs I do it from what is considered canon by the IP Holders.. Which creates issues. We can't go by the way they look..they scale the ships based on what looks 'cool'.. The defiant gets larger and smaller based on what you see. Generally it has to be dialogue or on a screen.. Even licensed works don't count (they licensed alot).. That said, even if it wasn't with in 'canon'.. I'd be curious how long and how you got tehre?
@@LoreReloaded The only 'leap of logic' I make in the entire calculation is the assumption that there exists some type of detente between the 3 major powers, Klingons, Romulans, and Federation. (granted that may be a leap of logic...) Everything else comes from onscreen sources. Particularly a line from, what is apparently your favorite series, DS9.
In "Way of the Warrior" We're told that the Klingons have put in "Well over 100 ships" and committed " almost a third " of it's military. Being generous, and assuming that you need to supply a fleet that is not typically larger than the ground forces you are committing to battle, which holds true of real world navies, that gives us an upper limit of 600 ships for the entire Klingon Military.
It is also often accepted that Wolf 359 was a major battle, and that the loss of 40 ships was significant. Note even though we are told that the "back up in less than a year" it should be pointed out that this holds true for real world navies as well. After Pearl Harbor, the US managed to recover, in 3 months time mind you, 3 Battleships, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Tennessee, and most of the smaller ships. What likely happened here is the 39 destroyed ships were recovered, and repaired. If 40 ships was as significant as we are led to believe by dialogue from The Best of Both Worlds Part II, then we have an absolute upper limit on the number of ships. 2% of your fleet is simply not a significant amount. So there must be, logically, fewer than 2000 ships.
This is where we get to logic and detente, If the Klingons were absolutely outnumbered 3:1 in ships, in particular given the range of quality of ships they had, they never would have gone to war with the Federation, nor would they have had the successes they did. We can surmise also, that even though we know the Klingons put a vast amount of resources into their military, they would have had a hard time keeping up with a large federation fleet. But we also know the mentality of the Federation. They would avoid anything that could potentially be seen as a build up, because a build up would lead to war. It is likely then that the federation had a fleet not significantly larger than the Klingons, but of course, not significantly smaller.
If the Battle of Wolf 359 consisted of 7-10% of the fleet, that would be a significant blow, but not crippling. In addition having a fleet the same size as the Klingons, or Romulans would allow them to have security without being overly militarized, from the perspective of the Romulans and Klingons.
Really the only assumptions here are : A) The Federation sees itself as a peaceful organization built for exploration; and B) The people in charge have some knowledge of the geopolitical situation (geopolitical clearly not the right word here, galactopolitical?) and are dedicated to peace. This puts a maximum number of Federation ships cap at exactly 1:1 with the Klingons, and likely was less.
So it stands, the Klingon fleet is fewer than 600 ships, the Federation fleet must also be. The Federation fleet however can not be significantly smaller than the Klingons or else the Klingons wouldn't wait to invade. In addition it can't be too much smaller than 400 ships, as the loss of ships would be far worse if it were. So a safe range, based on canon is 400-600 ships.
The metaplot of TNG-era Trek is that 24th Century humanity slowly learns exactly how clueless it was about the realities of interstellar civilization.
Well put
Y'know I'm currently re watching it on netflix and you are so right! You have literally changed the way I look at TNG in one comment. Well done.
Don’t push the pink skins to the thin ice
Humans weren’t necessarily clueless. They were simply aware of what they were capable of doing when diplomacy was no longer an option.
@@DaMonkie The Dominion War was basically the result of when humanity forgets the almost perfect balance between geopolitical/galaxy-wide politics and military science. The Federation in Picard's Generation was vastly ignorant and incompetent to a certain extent believing that diplomacy would always win 100% of the time which is why Ron Moore wanted the Borg to be the catalyst to making some elements of Starfleet to realize that any war would see their civilization destroyed. Many ST fans ignored the lessons from Q amid their favoritism to Picard, Janeway, early Sisko, and the rest of each character in each of the 3 shows of Star Trek during/in the 24th century.
For Captains like Jellico, Maxwell, Pressman & later Sisko were ultimately right in the end regarding how the Federation was making extremely dumb decisions when it came to NOT utilizing the full strength of good diplomacy alongside with military strength to sway their opponents and preventing war - hence the motto 'Peace Through Strength". That was once the Federation during Kirk's era.
The tragedy of both the Cardassian & Dominion Wars was that humanity despite their utopian & liberal deontological intentions created & promoted the very environment that they were hoping to fight against. They allowed slavery, they brokered a very bad treaty with the Cardaissans that led to the Maquis uprising, and their desire to explore & violate the sovereignty of another galaxy wide superpower (even it was the Dominion) help jump start the path to a massive conflict across many star systems.
That fact that Paramount didnt create a show that takes place AFTER the Dominion War pissed me off...
Captain Worf?
The actor of Worf, Mr. Dorn, has been pushing the studio for the last decade to make this a reality. It'll be a true tragedy if we never see Michael Dorn and Worf as a bonefide captain in Canon.
@@jamessinclair8840 I would love to see Captain Worf! It might even be interesting to see him first exploring more off the Klingons and the rebuilding they have. Perhaps him even serving on a Klingon ship or soemthing
The novels and canon material are all there. The thing is that the TV studio's don't want to lose creative control and pay the writers of the novels. It is the same reason why we got 'D' Star Wars and Legend's Star Wars....
Paramount lost the rights to Star Trek with cbs Viacom split in 2006 and despite cbs and Viacom remerging in 2019 cbs retained the rights to Star Trek so paramount couldn’t create a Star Trek show even if they wanted to without permission from cbs I’m not sure if that still have the Star Trek movie rights after the 2019 reunion of cbs and Viacom
Star Trek Online's story does a pretty nice idea of whats happening afterwards...
I just wish that the Dominion War had made it's way onto the big screen, especially if they created a large hand-to-hand combat scene between thousands of Klingons and Jem'Hadar soldiers. That would have been 'awesome'.
At least another show. At the time, I couldn't believe there wasn't another show that dealt with the aftermath after DS9. Just a few lines of dialogue in the Voyager series and TNG movies.
I'd watch that. Either do it up like Star Trek: Continues or an indy fan short film with new characters but set during the Dominion or Klingon Wars.
They had an opportunity to do that with Star Trek: Insurrection (they even name drop the Dominion War during the movie since it's ongoing at the time) but they did nothing with it. Like, why the fuck wasn't the Enterprise-E, Starfleet's flagship, fighting on the front lines?
That would have been the ultimate star trek movie
😂😂😂
Regarding Quark taking up a rifle without a second thought, there's a lot of dramatic irony in him and Sisko looking down on each other, each considering their civilizations morally superior to the other's - and despite trying to keep up appearances and save face with Ferengi society by claiming that profit is more important to him than all else, when push comes to shove, ultimately the thing that's most important to Quark is family.
If you can't exploit family, who can you exploit?
@@Merennulli😅😅😅
Dude....DUDE.... This is fantastic. I opened a 6 pack and put the feet up. Loved it.
"The Romulan Star Empire would be a powerful player both militarily and diplomatically." *Romulan star goes super nova* So much for that.
Kling-DOWN.
...Worf, the Last Klingon... versus the Fire Nation.
Hahahahahahaha
Thanks section 31
When did the Romulans and Romulan Empire become the Romulan Star Empire ?
When did they get all that swag ?
Why does he say the romulan star empire? Nobody called it that. He sounds rediculous
I like how you mentioned the Dominion missing section 31. Everybody in the alpha quadrant knew about the tal shiar and obsidian order. Very few people had knowledge of section 31 existing. I am sure this was by design.
This is a great overview of the war. AR558 is one of my favorite episodes. Having been in combat before I think they did a fairly good job of describing the realities as best they could. The battle itself is probably more similar to what some troops experienced during the Vietnam war in trying to hold a small base camp. I think the writers did a great job of showing a place that while highlighted an important battle for those involved, show the craziness of how such a hard fought place does not play in the bigger scheme of the war effort. For example, hold this hill only later to give it up with no understandable reason for why we held the hill in the first place. Again great job of laying out the blow by blow of the war.
Doesn't it bug you that they fight in shirtsleeves and nothing else.
@dan p It's more than that we have weapons today that can kill you easily enough but you still need a pack and kit and proper military gear
The hill was held to draw enemy forces in to atrit the other army. The hope was, to use high casualties to encourage a peace treaty.
Sisko: "This is not how the Federation fights a war!" "That is why they fail."-Garek
[Section 31 peeks around the corner and waves]
Greatest line by that dude, ever.. he was always thinking....
Where is the line said? I haven't watched every episode and only this comment shows up on a google search.
@@randomlyentertaining8287 I am not 100% sure but I assume it is from "in the pale moonlight" judging by the character's quoted + what this episode is about. It is an episode where Garek helps Sisko get the romulans to join the dominion war and the way he does it truly angers Sisko even though it works.
@@marktuthill7986 I don't think this is a real quote. I think this is something you can picture them saying.
This is so well done. It shows how layered ST:DS9 is. This is especially true in a "Pre-September 11" context.
That was such a powerful moment with Kirk. "Let them die" his raw, undiluted hate for them. It's delicious.
No. His later of rebuttal of his racism. Saying he was wrong- That- was "delicious"
@@MrMrfeenstra No that's the heartburn after the meal
Let them die, was the starting point. The I was wrong, was the culmination of his journey, that would give the future a chance to exist without that hatred. That’s not delicious, that’s a good narrative payoff.
@@MrMrfeenstra Racism, is what keeps your race, alive.
@@garlandremingtoniii4679 Except in the 24th century. Racism is dead thanks to the Van Gelder Device and Section 31 keeps you blissfully ignorant of all the nasty they do to keep you alive. This is the only way, the ONLY WAY, a society as seemingly good as Earth seems to be could ever exist. Something that actually selfless ultimately dies to preserve people who have nothing to do with them... because they're that selfless. That or someone declares war and they either don't shoot back at all or don't hit below the belt.
Thanks!
26:00 - A major element of TOS series is how Starfleet and the UFP is not a military or militarized group. The years between the close of Enterprise up to the Borg and later the Dominion war, while interrupted by occasional problems like conflict at Organia or destruction of Starbases by the Romulans and Gorn, were halcyon days of growth, exploration and general peace in the quadrant. Really enjoying this.
My only problem with that assertion from Rodenberry is that it flies in the face of everything starfleet for a non military organization it is very much a miltiary in all the way that matters its even referred to as such by Carol and David Marcus in the Wrath of Khan and rightfully so. Realistically if walks like a duck quacks like a duck it's interpreted such in a political sense especially given who starfleet is up against would defintely agree.
Section 31 was the most efficient Covert Organisation in the milky way. This was because the law that made them, basically said that in times of war, all of starfleet was section 31. So it would've been impossible to determine their threat level. That and the fact that star fleet vehemently denied their existence meant that section 31 had many decoys and hid itself very well. They also had by definition, operatives everywhere, who had no idea who they actually answered to. One would therefore not view them as a threat, and if you started a war against them...prepare for total annihilation.
You're right, Adam, Star Fleet really should have built up their navy. I'm definitely going to make a point of that someday when I'm the invincible overlord.
As in boats?
I only meant to have a quick look, but got sucked in straight away and couldn't help but watch it all! Great video
DS9 was the best series. It had actors who could do big screen or stage and make it work. From season 2 and onwards it had a consistent and realistic plot with great villains that haven’t been emulated since.
The only thing missing in DS9 being a good Star Trek show, was the Trek??
@@stevenhunt3113 having trek doesn’t make a good ST series. Having great actors, a good consistent storyline with in depth character development makes a great Trek.
@@reginaldshort8486 to me, Trek insinuates movement, that was the only real issue I ever had with the Star Trek franchise. The storyline were usually pretty good and the actors were top notch.
@@stevenhunt3113 you not having the flexibility to perceive "trek" as anything else other than physical movement is kinda sad, but hardly ds9's fault
Siskos actor is probably one of the worst screen actors ive ever seen on TV. Sad? scream. Mad? scream. Happy? scream.
Thank you for doing this collection. I am a TOS fan. I grew to like STTNG. But, I love DS9. I watched DS9 every year from beginning to end because of the writing, the direction and the acting by a great ensemble cast. To me it is a show which has a message that are the episodes that strikes the most at home with me. That is why it is the only TV show that I can watch over and over again and still enjoy it. There is no other show that is still talks to me with its messages for the most number of episodes. There are a lot of shows that I try to watch over again, but DS9 is the only show that does not become boring as I watch it over and over again. Your analysis and narrative just adds more new enjoyment with viewing those episodes.
You know esri Dax gets the short end of the stick a lot. But I love that exchange between her and Worf in particular
Underneath that kind sweet exterior she can be a realist too. And it is not because of the Dax symbiote but because of the fact that she came from a family that had its dirty secrets. She did not really grow up in a Federation world.
Rly she was always one of my favourite characters
@Steve Adams So, how did they do it "Enterprise" within the Sol System....I am confused!! RLY I am confused.
Delekham it’s mostly for safety reasons. If the hit a planet at warp velocities they could end up causing a lot of damage to the planet
Agreed
This is SO dense. Thank you!!! Your break down reminds me that ST's universe, as military space opera, is both extensive and believable.
I have a great admiration for DS9 and Star Trek because of the Dominion War, and also the way it presented key scenes with so much power and movement in their acting it really made me humble how good Star Trek is NOT JUST FOCUSING ON THE LIFE OF ONE STARSHIP, but the whole quadrant as well as existing species evolving and newer ones presented for the audience
Thank you for this it really is amazing how there is interest in years old series focusing on the Lore aspect and stories!
Well done!
Great show!! I think the Humans and Vulcans wanted to evolve out of their violent primitive past. Both species were unable to face their true selves and influenced each other towards a Federation always unready for war. It was a weakness of species rather than a weakness of the organization. The irony is how the more warlike species did not do much better in the end.
That speech about paradise from Sisko is on of the many reasons he is my favorite Captain. He had a more realistic viewpoint of Humanity, the Federation and Starfleet, especially when compared to early TNG Picard. I love TNG and Picard, but those early seasons were preachy to annoying levels.
Yeah, but let's not forget Siskos Daddy was a steaming Idiot, alrighty?
Maybe in THIS CASE, no Gain was gained, but that doesnt mean the Blood Tests were not reasonable at all.
Maybe if it was meant to be unreasonable, they should have made it unreasonable?
For example, it was always said the Blood Test may fail, but we never actually see it... what great writing...
preachy to annoying?? so your a DS9 fanboy then. No actual treky would call picard preachy and annoying lol. If you think that and like Cpt Benjy you will probably love the new series with all the action and pew pews
@@makkaschatsanddits7899 I will admit that DS9 is my favorite series. But it is closely followed by TNG. I've re-watched TNG more often, and everytime I find the first two seasons to be of a lesser quality when compared to the later seasons. Those are the ones that I find Picard to be annoyingly preachy. Compared to later seasons, it comes of as heavy handed. As for liking the new shows, you're wrong. I didn't like them. I watched of couple of Discovery episodes, and decided not to watch anymore. I didn't watch Picard, because I heard it was a character assassination of my second favorite Captain. I only watched the Lower Decks pilot, which I enjoyed as it was a return to more lighthearted Trek. I am a huge Trekkie. I have been for around 12 years now. Just because I have a differing opinion from yours doesn't make me any less of a fan. We can all like or dislike different things about Star Trek. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. What matters is that we share a love of Star Trek. Live Long and Prosper.🖖
Reverend Picard was preachy and annoying. And just a bit of "holier than thou, even thou l don't believe in holiness. Just that my way is better than yours."
Sisko puts a hard stop to Q's fisticuffs and "mano et mano" something Picard never quiet manages to do.
Even so, I think the new Picard attempt at a series is a shame and could use some creativity and plain old good writing.
Strange how TOS, made 50+ years ago on a shoestring budget but with good writing, puts the most expensive tv show out there to shame. ☹
I always thought the Paradise speech was a reflection of what the writers thought about modern Western nations. More or less, compared to the third world, North America/Europe is like Earth in DS9's time
I always Enjoy your work. You provide different thoughts to all of Star Trek. Thank You for your content
Keep the awesome videos coming ain't missed one yet sending positive vibes from the uk
Here's to hoping the EU doesn't shut you guys down so my stuff can't be seen!
@@LoreReloaded I think the uk will be in a much better shape further down the road may be a bit dodgy
To begin with but we will be able to bulid better trade deals with the USA and rest of the world
And no, killing an opponent in war, while defending your family is not "in cold blood," especially when you see his reaction when he did it.
With the tremendous popularity to this day of the Dominion War arc on Deep Space Nine I still can't fathom why the "powers that be" who own the Star Trek franchise still have not given us a whole entire series devoted just to the Romulan War!
Quark ironically was the most honest person in the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrant. He always cut through the. Bullshit and told people how they really were.
That's an important point when it comes to assessing Quark. For all of his scheming in illegal dealings, which, of course, includes a lot of lying, he was brutally honest about people and organisations. For example, there is his conversation with Garak about the Federation, comparing it to root beer. That was brilliant! I personally love root beer - it's my favourite fizzy drink - but that only served to make the analogy so much more powerful for me. I don't drink root beer often these days, but when I do, the taste is - as Quark said, "cloying."
I got the idea that there was more to Quark than what showed on the surface in the pilot of DS9, "The Emissary." Quark tells Sisko, when Sisko recruits him to stay on DS9, that the Bajoran provisional government was too provisional for hm. He saw a distinct likelihood of being lined up against a wall and shot. Quark may be a crook (at least by Federation standards - the Rules of Acquisition make him a virtual hero), a clown at times, and generally a coward, but he really does pay attention on a deep level. He sees past rhetoric and façades.
@@rationaltrekker2509 Yes indeed he does.
After DS9, somebody needs to make Quark a section 31 operative or at least an asset.
I think one of the main reasons Section 31 exists, is to allow the Federation to keep from needing a military component.
11:55 - I'm actually surprised the Klingons suffered so FEW deaths. If they're a multi-planetary civilization and a major power, then their population must be in the billions or tens of billions. If they did not lose even 1 million people in the Dominion War, that's actually a low price to pay, and especially so when you consider the Klingons LIKE dying in battle.
A lot of it are non kling9ns or not warior cast that was not allow to fight if they dont do that one thing in younge age
The dominion war is the the secondary-est thing that ever crossed my awareness and you are making an entire video out of it. I love it.
Best quote's from Kirk. There animals, Dont trust them, Let them die... Love it :)
alotta history between the two, and doc Emmett Brown did have his son executed for good measure
Oh my XD
It's easy to be a saint in paradise.
Kirk was no fool. He was many things: captain, explorer, space whore but James Tiberius Kirk was no fool when it came to war. I wish more Captains in the TNG era were like him.
@@joeclaridy Can you blame him TOS always had hot chicks of all species like Yvonne Craig
Thank you so much for making and sharing this.... despite all the errors in cannon... j/k
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Im a Treky, Thankyou for the historical records.
Hands down, my favourite RUclips channel.
I've not seen most of these yet ! Looking forward to it, thanx big guy 👍😆
Kling-DOWN.
...Worf, the Last Klingon... versus the Fire Nation.
Great breakdown. I always said that the Dominion was yet just another vile plot thought up by THE MAN to keep a Brother Down!
thank your for two hours of entertainment
Glad you out these together, much fun watching them again from the start 👍🏿
Painting my Dominion attack wing fleet while listening to the dominion war long form... i are teh happies
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form provided indeed, Very greatly well put together and well presented and produced indeed!,👌.
I subscribed because of your videos and analysis. Dominion War brought me in. Excellent job!
Amazing video. Thank you for doing all the work.
Sicko was correct. You do not surrender to tyranny, you fight to the last man. The core of the Star Spangled Banner wasn't a song about a battle that we had won and were pushing the British back, but just the opposite. We lost that battle, but we refused to surrender, "Americans would rather die on our feet, than live on our knees." Francis Scott Keys. You do not surrender and as a Marine, I carried that into battle.
That goes back to Thermopylae and Masada, and came forward to Mariupol, Bakhmut and Avdiivka. If you can't win, then take as many of the bastards with you as you can.
Too bad you're the tyrants more often than not.
@@noabsolutelynot3660 In what way is preserving freedom and liberty being a tyrant?
@@scottwilliams3595looks like we both found the communist in the chat... I will never understand how people could hate a country which has done so much good in the world, especially if you live in it
They hate us cuz they ain't us.
2 Hours 40 minutes of Dominion War it is, then.
I know, right? After watching, I wanted to see DS9 again, and then after heck, Babylon 5.
Yeah, but let's not forget Siskos Daddy was a steaming Idiot, alrighty?
Maybe in THIS CASE, no Gain was gained, but that doesnt mean the Blood Tests were not reasonable at all.
Maybe if it was meant to be unreasonable, they should have made it unreasonable?
For example, it was always said the Blood Test may fail, but we never actually see it... what great writing...
I LOVETHIS SUPER CUT!!!!!!!!
" SIC VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM "
" IF YOU WANT PEACE
PREPARE FOR WAR "
...Worf, the Last Klingon... versus the Fire Nation.
I think this is pretty good. One thing, if Star Fleet didn't consider themselves a military they wouldn't have marines.
Awesome man just competly awesome. But you forgot to include how much the gelato machines impacted the war. Still a very good video its awesome. And I do agree thank you for the 2 plus hours of entertainment took me from being a bit depressed and pissed off to being in a good mode for work.
these are awesome, thanks friend.
Remember that it would've taken weeks to months for most of the fleet to reach Wolf 359 so having just 40 ships able to respond with many being older ships is quite reasonable.
Good job! And thanks in our training aroaa. ❤🌄🎇🌎🌈📀📜🔒🔐
"Never turn your back on a Breen."...
"Winter is coming" ...oops, wrong channel! ;-]
I wish we'd seen more of the breen
The federation loses were high but as long as the cardassians lost even more and I am glad to hear that the cardassians lost so many
Dude, you have the perfect voice for these videos.
Pervert!
Little Cripple lol
You really did an excellent job with all of your research into this. Gave some of us in the Trek community a lot to process. It may also provide some insights into why Captain Picard will be so completely different in his new series coming out. Anyway, great video.
Live long and prosper 🖖
I personally think the Vorta and Jem'Hadar were altered from pre-existing species. Two reasons why I think this: 1-Weyoun's story of a primitive Vorta hiding a changling fleeing from a group of solids; 2-Weyoun's line (I'm ASSUMING it's an earlier clone of Weyoun since the character was played by the actor who played Weyoun...and Commander Shran in Enterprise) to Sisko that "the ability of the Founders to control the Jem'Hadar has been slightly...'overstated'. That's why we had to addict them to the White".
If the Jem'Hadar had been a species SOLELY created by the Founders then there would have been NO need to addict the Jem'Hadar to the White (assuming that Weyoun actually WAS telling the truth).
Again, this is just my own personal opinion.
love this style of lore break down thank for doing this
This is awesome!!
You had me until 44:00. The nebula class has an interchangeable upper pod which can, like the Sutherland contain a weapons' pod. And, disregarding thoe low numbers of production of the Galaxy, they built 6 and had an additional 6 spaceframes ready to rock in urgent situations. Also, the GCS is considered (pre-war) to be a match 1v1 vs a D'deridex. Granted, your assertion of the UFP having become a paper tiger is correct, but the Galaxy spaceframe was built for a hull-life of 100 years, and while certain deficiencies occurred early on, the war-refit became an absolute monolith in battle.
Well made good sir.
Thank you for these history lessons, it makes Star Trek even better to watch.
Now the Picard series is after Dominion War, after the Romulus destruction. It will be interesting to see the changes of Starfleet and Federation post war on screen.
ONLY if they use the original state of what Star Trek was, if they go STD/Jar Jar Trek, the Picard series will suck as bad as STD was on its premier night.
@@sabrewolf4129 We will see. :)
In the pale moonlight is peek trek for me. It was decades before I realized it was a reference to buttons batman.
Oddo "Come on Quark lets go to shelter'
Quark "I'm not going ti any shelter this is bar and I'm going to defend it with this!"
Oddo: "Your going to hit them with a box?"
Quark: "This is my disrupter pistol when I serbed on ship."
Oddo: "I thought you were a cook?"
Quark:"I was and everyone there thouht they were a food crituc"
He open the box and there is a note!
Oddo takes it and reads it.
Oddo: "I used parts of your disruptor pistol to fix the replicator hope your not mad Ron!"
Quark: "I will kill him!"
Oddo: "With what?"
Do you really spell that badly ?
@@carminemurphy1275 I think he does!
Lol that's great
"one of them even called me a cuck" lmao i forgot that part
Garek wasnt wrong. Civility and morality are luxuries when your existence is on the line.
This was very nice and convenient. It had some rough edges and the styles switched from time to time but all in all a very good entertaining and also inspiring video. Made some things realy clear. And as i said before... Don't f*** with Sisko. He is the f*****g Samuel Jackson on this f*****g Space Station and he dont like f*****g Snakes... Damn... wrong script... Never mind...
So thanks for the work and the upload. Greetings from Germany.
10 /10 for this video . Thanks for the work you put in to making this , I look forward to seeing what else you have on your channel
Captain Pike needs to go on trial again for breaking the Prime Directive. This one was...wow!
I was impressed with the amount of time put into this. I would like to point out that the fact DS9 had the story arc over the show was in response to how Babylon 5 has a story arc over the years of the show.
I'm sorry, but I disagree with those of the DS9/B5 stories, they are 2 entirely different shows.
The Dominion War was exactly what the Federation needed. Not even the Borg threat was enough to stop the slow decay and rot that was oozing from the lumbering, necrotic beast that was the UFP. The Dominion came in, cut the rot from the bone and caused an accelerated growth of new, strong and vital parts.
Well stated, however, "rot" is maybe a strong word...
Excellent video 👍
In the television show Enterprise Archer was shown that in the future Klingons Kardashians and many of the old Powers would become part of the Federation so that's how it's going to end up being
We have failed as a people if the Kardashians become a power in the quadrant. We must eliminate this growing threat now to secure the future from reality TV and trailer park trash with money.
Great videos my brother 👍
"Luckily he would be killed by a Starfleet Officer"
You the ONLY Klingon Starfleet officer?
In the pale moonlight....talk about Star Trek going dark. DS9 was definitely great!
Back when wars in Star Trek were well written. Discovery I am looking at you.
an now picard....
@@t4rv0r60 What dark Trek times we live in in deed...
1 year and a new season of discovery later... And your comment's still relevant.
@@Cheesusful still very relevant, it never got better
It is sad the current state, but in retrospect ds9 is by far the best trek series.
In the pale moonlight was the best Star Trek episode from any franchise, any timeline.
1:31:48 - What we saw unfold in DS9 when the Dominion War really kicked into high gear, and your point about Roddenberry's "vision" for the future of humanity reminds me of something Quark says to Nog in the episode, "The Siege of AR-558":
"“Let me tell you something about humans, nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people-as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time, and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon.”"
It's not about telling a story where humanity's ideals are never tested (those can be boring). Rather, what's interesting, and perhaps far more compelling is telling a story about how humanity is able to face adversity, and somehow get through it with some semblance of humanity's ideals intact. What DS9 managed to show in its run, and particularly via the overarching Dominion War storyline is precisely that. That, despite the hellish nature of war, humanity (and its allies) managed to triumph, albeit somewhat changed by the experience. But isn't there always a price to be paid for such things? War is never glorious, or beautiful, and many times it forces humanity to make some very tough decisions. And it is our ability to make the best decision, however difficult, that can define, or redefine us as a species.
We now stand once more at the crossroads of destiny as it were, where humanity is developing technology that may soon allow us to explore the great unknown, "final frontier". What sort of decisions will lead us into that brave new world? What sort of future will we forge as we make contact with new and alien civilizations? How will it change us? And how will we change the galaxy at large? How will future generations redefine what it means to be "human" as we boldly go where no one has gone before?
FYII Federation Ground Troops are drawn from individual member worlds like the Andorean Imperial Guard and Terran MACO. Also, the Federation has massive reserves of old and older Ships, Constitution, Chandleys, Northamptons, Saladins, Mirandas, Andor, Ambassadors, Excelsiors, and dozens more. The new construction ships are technological nastiness produced by a species containing such personalities as Leonardo DaVinci, Michaelavelli, Nimitz, Eisenhauer, and Audie Murphy.
Cool vid
I’d love if the federation and starfleet became a hybrid of science exploitation but be ready to fight and have the ability to take the fight and win
When I watched tng I noticed humans and member worlds had become soft to comfortable
Paradise had made them soft
And with the threats out there the federation had gotten stale
Amazing the cooralation between Now in the real world and the Dominion ( coincidence ) wars
holy a 2:39:18 h video, now i know what i will watch when i go tot bed in 4h
Great Show.!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Sorry if I missed a better place for this.
If you're looking for a new idea for another on trial video, here's a thought; Kevin Uxbridge from the TNG episode "The Survivors.
On the surface, he wiped out an entire race in grief, which many would say is unforgivable. But upon further thought, he might have done the Federation, and potentially the galaxy, a favor. He destroyed, in his words, "a species of hideous intelligence who knew only aggression and destruction." Now we don't know for sure, but if his recreation of the ship is accurate to the vessel that attacked the colony, then it was able to brush off a full barrage of weapons from a Galaxy class star ship, while stripping the ship's shields with a single volley. If a full on war had broken out, Starfleet likely would have been routed, and quite possibly, the entire galaxy would have been conquered. At least the Borg seek to make people better (even if we don't agree with their vision). These guys, sounds like they just wanted to destroy everything in sight. So perhaps Kevin Uxbridge did the galaxy a favor by removing them from the galaxy before they realized there was more to destroy than just one little colony.
Just an idea.
Slightly off topic but Garak had to know that beat down was coming. A man like him had Captain Sisko pegged from pretty early on when the dominion war started getting hotter than the Federation anticipated. So he knew a bit of a thrashing was coming but he likely also knew how to handle it even without his counter-torture implant. He also knew when to bring up the key points to get the man to back off so he could get back to his work and without Sisko, and the obvious descent, the Alpha Quadrant was gonna have a much rougher time.
"When asked for his orders, he only had one: 'hold.'"
Yaknow, this reminds me of a few situations during ww2. One of them being the battle of the bulge: "Nuts!" Lol
And here's one from ww1:
"They shall not pass!"
This one is a quote from a french general, whose orders were just that. "They shall not pass!" If i remember correctly, it was a fort near an important french city, which the entire time was used as a distraction for german forces to regroup and attack elsewhere. As this target was not considered important enough by the german army leaders, but they needed a distraction to hit more important targets. And it almost worked too. In any case the fort was bombarded and sieged so much that the very ground turned to mud and mush. Not a single blade of grass reminded.
Crazy stuff.
You should get into history videos my dude. I think you'd explain the events fairly well.
I believe it is none shall pass!!! (...personne ne passera!)
That's when the Kelvin federation should have come out of the wormhole and mixed that shit up! 😂
" THE COST OF WAR
IS THE
PRICE OF PEACE "
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the cost of the way you type is that no one ever takes you seriously.
Sun Tzu: "In war, prepare for peace. In peace, prepare for war."
ruclips.net/video/ZIHuF8WvdFk/видео.html @1:20
Si vis pacem, para bellum
How has no one picked up a post Dominion war Star Trek? So much potential and with a more militarized Federation there's a lot of room for action sequences that Hollywood loves.
KURTZMAN DREK
SURE AS HELL DIDN'T
DO THAT
it's all
SWEARING
MARIJUANA
GROSS VIOLENCE
FORCED SJW WOKENESS
FORCED GAY 7 OF 9
NONSENSE SCRIPTS
except for
PICARD season 3
I have to admit, "The Siege of AR-558" was one of the more difficult episodes to watch. It made the war feel very real.
except for that moronic "I brought some songs recorded by Vic" bullshit.
As a Vet. I watched this episode several years after it was made. It was a few years after I got back from Iraq. I found it so cringy. I really hate when the "effects of war" try to be acted out on the screen. Either the actor overacts and makes all combat vet seem like deranged killers who enjoy it or they make them seem like they are incapable of integrating back into society. Yes, it was hard to watch because it was RIDICULOUS.
Excellent. This was fantastic. More. More. More. More. More.
Why Starfleet didn't create an entire squadron of Defiant class ships or an entire squadron of Intrepid class ships is beyond me.
It was likely more cost effective for Starfleet to refit already existing ships rather than focus on building new ones. That being said, numerous new combat oriented starships were built, but time was also a significant factor.
@@joer9323 while that is likely the writer's chosen reason, that's not how the real world works. after a ship has worked itself down to the point where it struggles to achieve a respectable state, and you need to gut the ship to replace systems, it's almost always cheaper to just build a new ship. this is why a warship generally only has 20 years of active service (more or less depending on how active their active service is). this has been the truth for warships since the sail was replaced by steam and hulls became iron, and as material and tech advances, the cost of gutting a ship only goes up. I'd assume duranium and tritanium take a lot longer to cut through safely and in a none-explosive manner than steel does.
@@ZeroSonaku Perhaps not with phasers.
@@joer9323 Except it's stated in TNG that Tritanium cannot be melted by current phaser tech. unlike Steelplast you need solid cutting tools to cut processed Tritanium, that or apply enough energy to essentially shatter Tritanium as what happens in ship to ship combat. Phasers can cut through and melt duranium but it takes a lot of doing and time, unless you wish to just vaporize sections of duranium hull altogether. Even then, the planning and workarounds you have to do in upgrading an existing ship's hull or interior, then implementing said plans and workarounds can take time, time better spent just using a ship plan you already have and building that. If you need to implement tech or a new design change, that can be done before building the next ship and implementing it there.
Retrofits of existing ships tends to only occur in times of peace or if you have to dry-dock a ship for repairs during time of war, since the ship is already in dry-dock there's no reason to not add tech or weapons to the ship for it's next battle. it is far easier and more efficient to use your ship yards to build a new ship and copious amounts of them. look at world war 2, sure the USN could have retrofit ships, but it was more efficient to keep completed ships commissioned while building several dozens of new ones like the Fletcher-class destroyer, and just flood the oceans with them.
@@ZeroSonaku You make valid points. I was primarily thinking in terms of cost. I'm sure even Starfleet can't just build ships for free. Costs almost always skyrocket in wartime.
Lore Reloaded = Federation scholar
Awesome video. I can’t believe I watched more than two hours of this, but it was great!
Can we please put the producers of DS9 in charge of Star Trek?
22:50 I think this "new" weapon is really an old weapon only used in defense until now. The Klingons sent a large fleet to conquer the Breen. Nobody came home.
Klingons to Star-Fleet: "Do you even War?"
I love you show online ❤