A Complete Analysis of the Starfleet-Xindi War
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I really wish ENT had been given its full 7 year run, we would have seen such great lore that I think we really missed out on :-(
Too right it would of
Like Trek before it, it starts off a bit rough but like the others star really picking around S3. And is a true Trek gem by S4.
@@shadowphoenix1696Couldnt agree more. The xindi war was overall fairly strong and season 4 was amazing (apart from the mid season oneoff about Emory Ericksons son). PS: John Fleck is not a bad actor ;)
"It's full 7 year run"... yeah, right. Like any production of anything deserves a "complete set" of anything.
Whatever happened to ST:TOS's "full 60 year run?" It got 3. ST:TAS? 2.
What? You don't know that soap operas from the 60s last "forever?"
General Hospital and Days of Our Lives, unlike sands through the hour glass, are both over 57 years old, and Coronation Street (for our inbred cousins across the pond) is over 60 years old. Which reminds me, you should really speak in "SEASONS" instead of years with any production. Why? Lazy socialist TV. Doctor Who is 58 years old, but there are only 26 seasons, of which 13 happened in the last 16 years, and they all are a lot shorter than a US season.
I bet you are going to say "Star Trek isn't a soap opera" next...
Better than complain about your lack, you should just be grateful for, and accept, ST:ENT's time that it was able to have, and you were able to enjoy, through being justified to the network by the studio and producers.
@@Phantom0fTheRouter you must be a lot of fun at parties…
@@josephbarker527 - That would depend on the party, and whether or not you show up...
To be fair Archer was the first captain to go out into space to explore. The rules hadn't been written yet and it was indeed later made a rule that a captain does not go on away missions except under unusual circumstances. I don't even think they had that rule during Kirk's years.
Nah during Kirks years the rule was the captain must mate with every hotty he meets....
I don't even think it was a rule later, just an obvious risk prevention protacol to install. Give juniour officers experience and keep the key decision maker away from risk.
Plus it was the only reason for Decker/Riker character to be created for Star Trek Phase 2/TNG.
@@EZ-D-FIANTThat was Kirk's rule. Pike, even in ToS, was not that way.
The Andorian Mining Consortium scene is fantastic. Great work Jeffrey Coombs
Shran was the best character in the whole series, and the Shran/Archer bromance was the best side story in not just ENT, but arguably all of Trek.
Better than Data and that blonde TNG security officer? Tasha Yar?
I mean, c'mon, it was a human android DO IT relationship.
I repeat, an android & human did it. This of course ties back to the first black female white man kiss scene on TOS.
Coincidentally, they both acted without control.
All of which leads us to the greatest Trek series ever - Yep, Orville and of course we get a robot black chic full on relationship...willingly.
Blows a blue skin pink skin bromance away.
I've always thought the temporal agents could be 31st century Section 31 agents.
They clearly have an agenda and there are many inconsistencies with what Daniels tells Archer over the course of the series.
31st century? Section 31? Coincidence??? I think not!
Daniels true dress attire is an all black uniform. Section 31 agents wear all black. Part of Section 31's purpose is to protect the Federation and it's future at all costs. That seems to be what Daniels was trying to do. He may not be with Section 31, but he certainly has the characteristics of a Section 31 agent.
@@jonathonearl482... but no starfleet insignia... some might argue he looks borg before the implants.
@@paulwong8046 That should not surprise us. Section 31 often hides in the shadows. Which is why they would not need Starfleet Insignia. Daniels did impersonate a Starfleet officer at first. That would be his Starfleet Insignia in some way.
No the are part of section 31 by danials century but they are actually the temporal investigators.
Starfleet should have turned the MACOS into Star Fleet Marines and keep them cannon.
Considering how many times Starfleet ships get boarded or have to launch planetary combat missions with their ship personnel you'd think they would have Marines on every ship to help prevent the loss of essential personnel needed to keep their ship functional. Even Starfleet security personnel appear to pull double duty on board their ship so the vessel suffers whenever they are pulled from their assigned stations to perform whatever security task is needed.
Not canon but FASA era trek in the TOS era had Maco like troops.
Yeah the Marines became a ground only force as seen by the Dominion War that's the Starfleet Marines the fact that they had no presence on board starships is a big head scratcher.
Apparently Roddenberry claimed that he assumed that Starfleet ships had a detachment on marines on them but he never expanded on it or showed it.
@@danielmcelhatton1724 The same Roddenberry you fervently claimed the organization that fights the Federation's wars isnt a military. Sacrilegious as it is Roddenberry sometimes had really dumb ideas.
Vulcans are cowards. Their home is very close to ours compared to Andoria and yet Commander Shran, arguably my favorite Star Trek character is no wuss
With Andorian Ale
probably a paper tiger anyway
Perhaps
Courage is an emotion.
@Chris George What would an Andorian call a black guy?
I wonder how many MACO's got recruited into Section 31?
I was thinking the same thing
my opinion is that Lt. Reed took command of the MACO's, and the pre-cursor to Section 31 that we see, merged them, and created Section 31
@@afterglowproductions8547 THIS right here! I'm completely with you on Reed. By the end of the Xindi War, he absolutely knows the MACO abilities, and I do believe he would do just this exactly.
Probably not many, since they are honorable warriors, not spies.
Section 31 is foremost an espionage organization.
I quite enjoyed Enterprise. The beginning had its flaws but I liked the sense of pioneering and the change in perspective. I remember watching Voyager right after TOS, TNG and DS9, and it was very odd to see a lawless disconnected space. It was somewhat similar in the beginning of Enterprise, but there the Enterprise was not the technologically advanced powerhouse, it was the opposite.
The Xindi war was a nice build up to a very interesting battle and the fourth season was also very good.
I have my differences with the series, but I wish we would get to see a conflict with the Romulans, it looked to me like they were planning for one on future seasons.
Yeah!!
I can't say it's my favourite show, but my equal favourite Treks are DS9, TNG, TOS, ENT and VOY.
In second place is the new show Picard.
Discovery doesn't even make the list, because it's not really a Star Trek show. It has NOTHING to do with the vision of Gene Roddenberry and is instead, all about pandering to woke-ness. It genuinely feels like the writers don't care about making a Star Trek show, as much as they care about writing a PC and Woke script that borrows heavily from Star Trek, but leaves out that everything that made the show unforgettable!
@@Raz.C .... I agree Enterprise is the last real Trek series.
Addendum, I've stopped watching Discovery for the very reasons listed above, along with a few others.
It' as though the writers decided "FUCK THIS!!! I'm not going to read ALL this source material to make sure we're abiding by established canon!!! Let's flush it all down the toilet and just make a NEW Star Trek for today's audience. That way we car re-write history AND the future any way we want it!!! Sure, it's will have NOTHING to do with the Star Trek envisaged and created by Roddenberry, but so fucking what??? That's OLD and this is NEW, so obviously this is better, since our CGi shits on their real models and miniatures!!
@@Raz.C
Star Trek has always been woke.
@@feralguyver
No. Star Trek has always been ethical and thoughtful, but it never before sacrificed narrative coherence for _Wokeness._ This is a new thing, where the story is sacrificed on the altar of _Wokeness._ No other Star Trek show (as opposed to 'movie') in history has EVER changed the 'Star Trek' story as much, has flushed so many of its original elements down the drain, just so that the writers could replace it with new elements that don't represent Star Trek at all. It's like the writers decided: "We want to write a 'Woke-Trek' show rather than a 'Star Trek' show. We're more interested in appearing Woke than we are at respecting Trek-Canon." And with that, they erased so much of the actual history of Star-Trek and made Discovery into something completely different that only slightly resembled Star Trek. The show doesn't really deserve to be able to wear the Star Trek masthead!!
I wonder if you caught the signfigance of where they are? That last colony. The last of humanity on Ceti- Alpha 5. The world where they exiled Khan. The one turned into a blasted heath by the explodion of Ceti-Alpha 6. Even if the xindi did not track them down, humanity was doomed.
Good catch.
Which is an interesting tie in with the Kelvin Timeline BTW. Without a number of things involving Khan happening the way they did in the Prime Timeline, there is no Earth after 2384 anyway. It might not stop the Federation from defeating the Sphere Builders, but it would definitely put a hamper on their efforts in the 26th Century.
Oops
One thing that I didn't really appreciate about ST:ET until watching it again: how in tune with Soldier Culture it was. Not Jingoism, not Officer Culture, - Soldier Culture. The whole Mako/SF Sec arch is very much a competitors story. It is natural for them to compete. Thats what they do, and to stop that would actually be detrimental. The kind of person who is okay with getting on a space ship with a rifle, and flying around is zero G is gonna have a personality. No two ways about.
By far my favorite sequence is Star Trek was the Xindi arc. It really epitomized Starfleet, and humanity by extension, as the underdogs. It was clear that the writers were attempting this in the first two seasons, but Season 3 nailed it and really had me at the edge of my seat each week it was airing.
It's likely the reason why Star Fleet in TOS were a tad more militarisitc.
The Xindi were a big wake up call.
@@WaveForcefulI like the cycle they created there, realistic
Shran coming in to save the day like an absolute chad.
The most underrated character of all time.
The MACOs made me want a Federation Marine Corp. UFMC! Oorah!
I forgot what ep it was but there’s a DS9 ep where Jake is trapped in a fox hole with a dying soldier and- I’m due the idea of MACO’s wasnt around at the time but I’d be surprised if one of the writers said “nope he definitely wasn’t a MACO”
He seemed like a stereotypical guts and glory marine more than a security officer...
I think the MACO’s must’ve still existed in some form, at least as like a small special forces unit or something
@@katsarelas1947 it’s referenced in one of the movies that maco force was dissolved and their members were integrated into starfleet security and starfleet marines
So he could be a ds9 maco/marine
MACO tanks, drop ships, transports, and utility vehicles when?
So... their favorite flavor of crayon would be red instead of green? I'm kidding. Will see myself out.
@@katsarelas1947 Maybe a soldier from the local planetary defense force?
God I love Shran
Sphere builders lied and people died
Florida was an inside job.
Just like Trump.....
I thought Florida was a cover up for project freelancer?
This series was fantastic right up to the last episode where the writers took a big dump on the whole series, the fans, you , me, everyone and everything.
You've got the most underrated comment here. Even the cast didn't like that episode.
I don't know what you mean. Terra Prime is a fine episode and nothing else came after that.
Once there was a poll question on one of these channels I forget which one and it had a list of bad episodes one each from the 5 Star Trek series (there are only 5 Star Trek series you know...) And the question was which of these five episodes is the worst?
Immediately I went for "These Are The Voyages." From Enterprise. I even commented that out of those five the only one that really damages the whole rest of the series was that one. And I still stand by that statement. They really needed to stop after Terra Prime and then somehow convince CBS to start season 5 production using the Earth-Romulan war as a selling point. In the terrible outcome you can't budge on it they could have made the episode an historical drama detailing how the Earth-Romulan war started, how it progressed and ended, and what happened to the Enterprise during said conflict and finished with what happened to the crew afterwards during the early years of the Federation. All these stories would be happy endings with no one dying stupidly like they did with Trip...
What’s funny is that was the complete opposite result to what their goal was.
Archer does, after the Earth is saved....make a remark about leaving that ship stranded without warp and other such choices. while it doesn't say one way or the other...judging by the way Archer speaks...they were simply left to their fate.
Exactly!!!! Archer played a warp engine pirate
Yeah, he even tells himself that they made it back home, to try and comfort and justify his decision when the reality is given the location they were in, the likely didnt make it at all.
The Needs of the Many outweighed the Needs of the Few--Survival of Earth.
It always felt like the sphere builders wanted to keep the xindi and humans fractured so they could divide and conquer. Ultimately it’s the combined alliance in the future that defeat the builders. Maybe the ones we see are after that battle trying to change the past.
Is it just me or do the reptilians remind any of you of the bad guy in Galaxy Quest?
I saw that too
Sphere builder:
Wait that went to March 2153?
Where’d I sent that primer to The human Genophage then? Hmm, March 2020... well that’ll make things interesting for team C for a bit.
Shran is one of the best characters in all of trek
I miss him.
How TF is it a war if the enemy only has one ship? How TF do you lose a WAR if the enemy only has the ONE ship?!?!?! If Kahless had singlehandedly, drunkenly stumbled across the Xindi home world, it would have been a genocide( x 5)!
I miss this version of star trek. The latest version Discovery is garbage
I totally agree!
Could not agree more. The ensign to second in command is what got me.
I cannot wait to watch this whole thing in one sitting. Thanks Lore Reloaded!!! 🖖
52:38 "Is actually super easy, barely and inconvenience."
Did you just make a reference to Ryan George also from Screen Rant?
Contextually..The Xindi war reflected current events of the times...post 9-11 xenophobia and the paranoid claims that Iraq had a WMD program
Annd that didn't fit into Star trek at all.
Like all Trek before it, it took the issues of the day and told stories with it.
Finally, a convincing explanation for the plot hole at the end of season 3/start of season 4!
How is the show not canon when two of Archers descendants serve in Starfleet as Captain and Admiral and the show ended with Riker and Troi watching a historical holo of it?
Who said it is not canon?
Technically, it is and isn't, simultaneously. Early in the series, the Federation uncovers several Borg drones on Earth... from the events 'in the past' in First Contact. That means this timeline is a continuation of the Borg incursion from the future of the Prime timeline, and why certain things are different from what they should be in the Prime timeline at this point in time.
This means that Enterprise is a continuation of events of the canon timeline, but due to the nature of the events in question, cannot proceed down the path of the Prime timeline, and thus cannot be canon TO the Prime timeline, but also are canon of their own timeline due to their roots based in the Prime timeline, and thus canon. Weird, right? That's paradoxes for you.
@@atanvardo5730 the video presenter.
@@warmasterdorn So 1st contact changes that time line but the temporal cold war shenanigans puts it back on track with assumed small changes. The problem I see is that Star Trek doesn't define their time travel or the mechanics of it. It is entirely possible that what happened had always happened so therefore no new timeline.
Now that it is owned by one entity again I imagine they will just stick with their new Trek though so previous continuity won't be worried about.
That "historical holo" was inaccurate and based on another malfunctioning holoprogram on the Enterprise D.
This is where enterprise found its footing. It becomes a fantastic iteration of star trek. Loved it. Was such a shame how it finished
It's clear that Season 4 was comprised of multipul story arcs there were meant to be told over a longer season. They had to cramp it all into a single season.
The Romulan drone epsidoes were pretty much the starting point of the Erath-Romulan war for example.
Truth be told I can rewatch enterprise over n over n over but not the travesty of discovery
hey dude i like discovery but at the same time i completely understand you. i like to ask others though what bothers you the most from STD.
@@Chris08TT main character not a captain or at least the highest rank on their show most of the time also I don’t like what they did with Spock and how everything revolves around Micheal like ds9 had the same thing but at least it made us like sisko first
@@Chris08TT ... lazy writing. ST is not just about a story... there's science +science theories, military hierarchy that aligns with its story. In the past, though not perfect but tries to write smart to put it all together.
And I feel they dip too much into the past. It feels forced... like a ship called Yelchin or Nog, images of Nimoy and now the guardian. Days past TNG would just drop little antidotes like McCoy dropping in ... that was cute and memorable.
lol oddly enough i have the exact opposite opinion I really like discovery and i hated enterprise
@@Chris08TT Issues with discovery mainly boils down (some of the issues also apply to Picard and Lower Decks too)
-to a cast of characters that are somehow to me both really unlikable and somehow really really bland and forgettable at the same time (some exceptions here or there like Pike or Lorca mostly due to some top notch acting)
-Story lines that rely too heavily on save the federation/universe plot lines, three seasons of either saving the federation or the universe in some way kinda hurts any tension for me. And while Im not against season long stories like the Xindi or the Dominon War I personal dont think EVERY season needs a plot arc; just let the ship explore and build up some status quo before you introduce psychotic AIs or temper tantrums blowing up nearly all ships in the galaxy.
- More a personal opinion thing but 90% of the visual style of CBS era trek is just so unappealing to me, ship/set designs feel like an afterthought and dont really feel like they fit in trek as a whole. (and no I'm not bothered by canon or the ships not looking like the 60s, it didn't bother me in ENT and that part doesn't bother me here; I just want some nicer looking art direction.) To be fair some of the Disc era ships look kinda cool, but they always are background ships we dont see enough of; I still dont understand why anyone looked at the Planet of the Titans enterprise concept and thought "Yep that's what the hero ship needs to look like", ship design was never used for a reason; its fugly.
Now we have floating necels, and ships with such simplistic shapes I feel like I'm watching a TV adaptation of the super Nintendo star fox game. I get visual art styles are subjective but still.
Last major issue is the tone, trek in the past and why it appealed to me was the optimism, and how even if humans had problems we could ultimately work past them and better ourselves and the shows outside some parts like the xindi and dominion wars always had this positive feel during episodes even when stuff got tough for the heroes, but CBS era trek feels so jaded and depressing, everyone cries all the time and everyone is so cynical and unpleasant/needlessly violent, lower decks gets a slight pass for this because its a parody at heart but Picard and Discovery do not.
Again all my personal opinions, if you like these three shows more power to you, I'm not trying to change your mind just show the other side of the argument. Bit of a mess of a post, had more to say than I thought on the matter. XD
39:50
reminds me of starship troopers, the book anyway
it doesnt matter if its to save 10 men, or 10,000, you fight. the number is irrelevant. if any citizen of the state is threatened, than it is the duty of the state to protect that citizen, come what may.
Temporal Agent Daniels failed. As a result we have Star Trek Discovery and Picard. The assassination of Gene Rodenberry's legacy is complete, the fallout for future timelines are incalculable.
Danials did not fail, the timeline was reset. The only thing not removed was the xindi event.
Rodenberry's legacy died when the writers started questioning his so called Utopia in DS9
MACO's were the shit🤩!!! wish they were showed more!!!
And they became Red Shirts in TOS.
In regards to how stupid the acquatics were being, maybe just maybe they were being really calculative. They were just manipulating archer to destroy the spheres as soon as possible.
I think the Xindi arc was probably the most interesting and effort to inject a new storyline in what at this point seemed to be very meandering show. DS9 and Voyager had definitely taken early TNG subplot continuity and ran with it. The Temporal Cold War would just pop in and out until the Xindi arc. The Suliban were not great villains, the Xindi being a proto Dominion/Federation was very interesting.
The Suliban design was ugly and felt lazy. Like not a good ugly like the Borg, just regular ugly that i hate looking at lol
8:55 yeah the redshirt security in TOS were walmart value mall cops
That isn't fair. I have seen some sweet takedowns by mall cops.
I like how this temporal war connects to the Krenum Imperium. Star Trek online did Year of Hell justice.
I was always wondering since the Sphere Builders look like the Changlings from DS9 if they were the same race but from the future
46:37 the Xindi played in that scene/episode was played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan AKA Negan from TWD, also this part almost made him quit his own acting career due to the stress of the cosmetics used.
also enterprise made it through the entirety of the xindi war without breaking out in tears at even the slightest of hardships or minor inconveniences. the discovery crew should have learned from the example set by there betters.
The aquatics always felt sorta like koch's species (forgot the name) from babylon 5 to me. Somthing about the mystery and raw power they exude. Also a bit breen like.
The Expanse arch was the best of Enterprise. The rest of the series is fairly unwatchable to me. At it's worst, it was a copy of Voyager's sort of "lost, stranded, far from home" idea. Just a repeat of that. But at it's best, it was a fascinating exploration of time travel, desperation, addiction, and bending ethics to achieve a goal. The metaphor was quite tasteful to me, of a great destructive expanse appearing in the galaxy, that the only way to solve is to go into the middle of and destroy from within. A great allegorical way of explaining addiction, or depression, or trauma in someone's life that must be faced head on, not avoided.
I just got done watching Enterprise again and while doing some digging about many things from the show and found out that apparently "Future Guy" was, possibly, supposed to be a future version of Archer.
I HATED the scenes with Hayes and Reed! Reed was just being a butt hurt, whiny little bitch. He only stopped after Hayes got killed while they were trying to save Hoshi(I think that was the mission)
100% agree Reed was unbearable with his ego with the Macos
Enterprise is likely my favourite show mostly since it shows the early days of Starfleet, That being said some of the episodes have large plot holes and continuity errors
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1:47:20 I imagine in this case that there's 5 reactors or something, one for each species with it's own activation code. You need at least 3 of them running to supply enough power to fire the weapon, but with all 5, to charge at a desired rate.
Possibly my favourite of the Series. I Loved how this series took on the formation of starfleet. I thought it had some awesome characters. Imo This was very underrated. I am ofc not a fullblood trekkie, who is a walking Star Trek Encyclopedia. But i liked how this prequel paves the way for the future of the Star Trek Universe. I really liked the Andorians and especially Shran. A shame they never really showed up later in this timeline with TNG, Voyager or DS9.
Spoilers! Like all great TV shows the war ended with Nazis. Spoilers!
Xindi season is easily the best Enterprise season and in my opinion is in the top 5 seasons of any Trek show, with the other 4 being 1 from the Seven of Nine seasons in Voyager (5 or 6 probably), 1 of the seasons in TNG after season 2 (3 maybe, or 4, IDK, each seasons has it's episodes and I would have to go through them), and the last 2 are 2 of the seasons from DS9, probably 6 and 7 since the Dominion War was just so damn great. I haven't watched enough TOS to be able to say, I just don't like it as much, it's way too campy and 60's for my taste, all the weird colors and tilted camera shots are just not my cup of tea but I haven't gotten to any Klingons yet so maybe it'll turn around and I'll at least be able to tolerate it. Too bad we didn't get a full 7 season run of Enterprise, I can only imagine the final 3 seasons being the first 3 years of growing pains of the start of the Federation and exploring a little deeper into the galaxy, not quite as far as in other Trek shows but farther than they got in Enterprise. Man, what a missed opportunity.
It's funny, Trek was always episodic but some of the best seasons were serials and although Discovery is serial it just doesn't get it right, it's too serial. Enterprise season 3 and the Dominion War arc in the last few DS9 seasons were overarching stories but the seasons managed to keep most of the episodes within the seasons episodic but building towards the whole arc. Discovery on the other hand treats every episode like a teaser for the next with only a few episodic ones sprinkled in (and those are some of the best episodes) and it doesn't focus on the characters as much but instead makes them all act like they are in a drama either at each other's throats or deeply in love in like 2 weeks, like there aren't any episodes focused on the chick with the eye implant or the android looking one (notice I don't know their names 3 seasons in) and there are only 10 episodes a season. I know tv is going towards 10 episodes per season in general, but I miss shows that had 26 episodes per season with lots of filler episodes that fleshed out the characters and put them in unique situations (that goes for all tv, not just Trek).
Just imagine DS9 or TNG with only 70 episodes instead of whatever it is, like 180 or something. It would suck, it would just be Discovery with every episode just pointing towards the next leading to the finale; we would never get Sisco baseball episodes or Sherlock Data or random holodeck ones or whatever, the ones that build charm and character. I would trade all the fancy special effects to make them just cheaper to have them spread over 26 episodes instead of just 10. There could be so many more Discovery episodes like the one with that guy who comes on the ship and keeps going back in time and trying again instead of just 1 of those types of episodes in like 3 seasons. Hell, Discovery in 3 seasons has only 4 episodes more than DS9 or TNG or VOY or ENT after their first seasons and those all took 2 seasons to find their footing so at this rate maybe season 7 or 8 of Discovery will start to be really great just in time to get cancelled.
3:03 Having the Xindi directly state that the 1st weapon was a failure would’ve been much better.
Enterprise had its problems but overall I really liked it. Loved it the first time I seen it (except the ending) but on my rewatch I can say the caracter development issues we see with new trek started in this series.
1:37:25 - I think the Aquatics aren't idiots, but just comfortable... IIRC they live for an extremely LONG time, so I think they have gotten comfortable with being able to think things through (even if they tend to take years upon years upon years to make a decision)... they are comfortable with it. They live in ships/containers filled with water. And to them nothing is ever seen as fully permanent.. so if they have to let the current planet where the council meets be destroyed, just to make a decision... then fine, they can always find a new planet to settle on.
Let me put it this way... if humanity had a life expectancy of about 10,000 years, then would you really be surprised or think humanity is full of idiots if most (or at least the humans with positions of power) took years if not decades or centuries to make a decision? I wouldn't... I would see it as humans being comfortable with being able to fully think things through, and never really having to have learn the lesson that sometimes you don't have time to think. You just have to act.. just like the aquatics. But that is just my thought on the aquatics.
To give a visual way to see what I am saying... go watch the Bount arc from the BLEACH anime. One of the Bounts (vampires) ends up talking about how their race of people have stopped caring about the concept of time, because they are immortal and have lived for thousands upon thousands of years. I never thought any of them were idiots, just because their concept of time is either slower than ours or they stopped caring about trying to make a quick decision... I just think they lost the desire to look at the present and say, "Oh shit this is a moment that matters, and we have to MAKE a decision NOW or else we could be fucked"
All excellent so much work....BUT "HIT IT!!! 1234 I NEED A HERO!" Completely takes me out of this and It gave me a fright both times it was so out of place. Please dont ever use that its not cute but like a jug of ice water thrown over you as your nodding off. Great video though
Game Of Thrones in Space... Has anyone seen Treasure Island in Space? (Really)
A Klingon series could be an awesome Game of Thrones in Space.
Executive Meeting: Hey, Enterprise numbers aren't doing so hot, what do we do? Scott Bakula: HEY HOW ABOUT TIME TRAVEL?
I was always really disappointed when Archer travelled through time because he never said "oh boy"!
Late to the party here, but 2 thoughts about the Carpenter St time travel to explain it. 1: Archer points out that the Xindi came from their time as if it's why they have to go. This could make sense if it was all off the books, it would still look like just one temporal incursion from the same century that ended up having no major effect on time. 2: Some logic Dr Who uses is that once you start to interact with a time period, you are linked to the events playing out and can't jump around within them, or at least not easily. Perhaps Daniels is in a rush because his personal timeline, despite being in the future, is linked to Archer's by their interaction. Even thousands of years apart, a minute for Daniels and a minute for Archer play out as if at the same time. If Daniels has a 20 minute breakfast, that is 20 minutes of Archer's life he can never access. Then again this is a little bit broken by the one episode where he takes him back to the night before Enterprise starts, but I like my theory.
Loved ST: Enterprise, loved the opening credits imagery, despised the mawkish, sappy song. I think it seriously compromised the integrity of the series.
But after all that it is still never explained why the xindi attacked in the first place. They were told that humans were going to destroy the xindi home world.
But the xindi home world was already gone. Nobody thought it was odd that the people who actually destroyed the xindi world were the ones who were pushing to kill the humans anyway?
I have a theory about the lack of information on cloaking technology. It's possible that Starfleet was doubtful about the reports of Captain Archer and buried them.
You know the tiny little nitpick that bugs me the most about the Xindi?
How they call two of their own races "reptilian", and "insectoid". Those words specifically refer to something that "resembles an earth reptile, or an earth insect."
I can understand why the Starfleet people can (and should!) call them that, but the Xindi themselves have no reason to make those comparisons or even care that comparable organisms exist. In fact, with their entire goal being to destroy the planet those comparable organisms come from, they have every reason to specifically *not* do that.
So surely it would make more sense when the Xindi themselves are speaking for those two species to translate as "reptiles" and "insects".
Wouldn't it?
Am I crazy?
It's even stranger when the names of the other four species make complete sense.
I'm thinking that it's actually the universal translator that is calling them by their subspecies. I highly doubt that 3 of the races, along with every other race in the galaxy, just happen to be speaking English. I wouldn't doubt that it had been programed to identify the seperate species into earth classifications. I don't count the scenes of us peaking in on them as breaking this rule because they would each be speaking their own language and we are hearing through the "translator".
The universal translator in general has always puzzled me. You have a device that translates everything into your language and what you say into theirs. But, you can throw in your native Language at any point and they will hear that too instead of it getting translated. A key example being any time Klingons are present. You'll hear them speaking English then all of a sudden you hear something in Klingon then it's right back to English with no pause. I wonder what the in universe explanation for this is.
@@heroesofthescape Yeah, I thought of that idea when I was watching, but I still had two big problems with it.
One, the translator shouldn't be translating it that way, because it's not the most direct possible translation of what they're saying. If the translator's capable take liberties with what people are saying for the sake of convenience, then it could also be set to do that for other reasons without your knowledge, and... well, that means you can't fully trust it.
The whole point of any kind of translator, be they person or machine, is to be as trustworthy and transparent and transparently trustworthy as possible. If you can't be sure of that then you're better off without one.
Two, at least as far as I remember, the Xindi characters still use those words when no humans are present. If the universal translator isn't even present in the scene, the writers shouldn't be using it as an excuse.
Giving any kinds of a head up that we (as Xindi) are going to delete your world, coming from a species that Earth has never heard of(The Xindi), seems a bit careless, but that's my just my opinion. However, I do enjoy your Vids Lore :)
lore: This why i am making this short video
the short video: 1:49:32
Show was ok, tried to like Archer but just couldn't. In the other hand Andorians came as my favorite species, followed close by Vulcans.
The MACO would have gone against Gene Roddenberrys initial idea of Star Fleet. All of earth united and integrated for a somewhat peaceful only defense not attacking unless provoked, Trek thru the Stars.
You still need soldier (or in this case, Marines) for defense.
It’s a shame enterprise didn’t get more seasons, I liked the concept for the NX refit enterprise
*its the reason i do this short video....
You lied
Haha these are videos tied together to be fair
@@LoreReloaded i realized, and i really enjoy watching you videos!
For me without doubt Enterprise stands head and shoulders above any other Star Trek series.
Pffffft lmao
same
I think the MACOS where turned into a elite unit starfleet security and only seen on critical starfleet installations
Lore Reloaded is an Andorian confirmed?
Actually, the temporal cold war isn't the only way to explain that Enterprise isn't Prime Timeline. Imo, Enterprise (along with Discovery) is set in a third timeline seperate from the Prime timeline and the Kelvin Divergence, in what Anti-Trekker called the First Contact Divergence. Essentially his argument is that the events of First Contact led humans down a different path in which, since mankind (and the romulans and klingons as a result) is now aware of the Borg much earlier than they were in the Prime Timeline, Starfleet is now much more militaristic from the get go, while also using what little Borg tech they can salvage from the remaints of the sphere that tried to assimilate pre-warp earth to have the level of technology they have in Discovery. This is also why the romulans at one point have a drone that is at least decades ahead of everyone else (since they put a ton of resources into being prepared for a possible return of the Borg) and why the klingons have cloaking technology.
I’d buy that, but I also hope that enterprise still happened differently in the main timeline
Well that was my morning done
MACO does still exist in the later serials, it's just been rebranded as *starfleet security*
I'll be honest I'm hoping for more star trek focusing on MACO's or Federation Marines really. That would be epic. Oh and "Big Damn Heroes?" What are you some kinda Brown coat? As for Hayes vs. Reid...honestly sometimes when you got two guys like that with that sort of professional and personal background sometimes it's best to let them fight it out a bit. So them suddenly getting along like that is more normal than you'd think.
Its not that reed is an idiot its that he is judging men like Hayes from what he has dealt with in his experience.
not to forget the last of humanity ended up in the Ceti Alpha star system and eventually ended up on
Ceti Alpha V
Lmao
Season 3 of enterprise was the best of the show, obviously, and one of the top seasons in trek as a whole. It was the first season start to finish arc instead of being episodic (DS9 dominion war was more of a series arc) and it worked. I can only imagine how well voyager could've done the year of hell like this seeing that voyager was a better show overall than enterprise.
I only kinda like enterprise until season 3 and because of how good the season is it makes me actually watch the first 2 seasons to get up to the Xindi arc which i don't think i would do as often without it.
Will in practice NX enterprise happen to be Earth when Earth destroy Twilight. Question how it get to Earth shortly after weapon is launched beyond me. May one parasite died or part Archer brain died. Change timeline little bit leads interest question much parasites.
Another side question is how come Archer did not notified Starfleet changes were happen Xindi weapon much harder time apparch Earth if fleet Vulcan and earth starship in the way.
Please, learn proper english.
Please do learn proper english i couldn't read it
The question still remains. Is Daniels a Section 31 agent?
I didn’t like Enterprise that much at first until the season with the Xindi war. And then, of course, they cancelled it a few seasons later (depressed sigh).
I don't mean to spread rumors but I know Ive seen this video from time to time and up voted it in the past yet it always appears as unliked or unseen on the app. Maybe its just my device.
The xindi should have sent a dozen ships to bombard earth from orbit instead of a super weapon. Or super nova our sun.
Seriously. Not like the humans had much in the way of a defensive fleet at this stage.
@Chris George long range scanners would have revealed zero ships. Also the sphere builders being from the future would probably know earth to have a single warp 5 ship.
@Chris George A single scout ship would have given them the intel, far cheaper than a planet destroying super weapon.
@Chris George Do you watch the channel Spacedock at all? He's got some great content on super weapons in SciFi, mostly in Star Wars because they're more common there.
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I haven't seen your videos for a while and I am happy this popped up in my feed. The one thing I will say is at 1:36:55 even though the aquatics are pausing at what might be blood on their hands, it makes sense. Throughout this video we see the enterprise doing morally questionable things so that they can save humanity and now we look at the aquatics here. What will the aquatics do to save their species? What will they do to save not just their species but all the Xindi species? They are pausing as the council that has lasted for who knows how long is falling apart at what might be at the edge of their goal, saving their people. It is at this moment the aquatics have to question years of what they thought was reality. Taking a second to breath isn't out of the question here. The aquatics seem to be the one species who know the least about everything. The arboreal and primate species have been interacting with enterprise. They have gotten to know them. The Lizards and insectoids clearly had a special relationship with their Guardians. It is the aquatics in the middle who seem to be left out. Again, everything they thought was real is now being questioned. Like how you talked about with saving Trip, at what point does the sacrifice to save a species no longer justify saving them. The aquatics now have to think about potentially saving their species and the other Xindi species and let humanity die or save humanity and potentially risking the lives of all the Xindi species.
Could the MACOs have been sucked up by Section 31? 🤔
Maybe after the romulan war the treaty band cloaking technology and Maco in star fleet
Did you see Star Trek Beyond? It explains what happened to the MACOs, granted in the Kelvin timeline, but it makes sense for the Prime timeline, also.
I never understood why it's called a war ?? The xindi incident would be more accurate
its snobbish that hoshi used her interest and occupation to talk with a stranger woah so rude
...wut
@@LoreReloaded you hoshi came off snobbish for saying where the marine guy accent was but its like thats her interest isnt that a person would start a conversation with strangers but it doesnt matter im not gonna be here anymore
She used her interest in marine men to start a conversation? That’s a bit odd .. but her tone and inflection is more what I was speaking to.. which you might have missed
Do you think Earth would of had an easier or harder time, if they somehow managed to end more than one ship?
Thank you very much for this detailed analysis. I really liked Enterprise-and even the 3rd season. This season kind of reminds me of Starblazers (one of the first Anime cartoons to reach North America in the late 70s). I still remember how each episode would end saying how many days left Earth has
69th to dislike because they would have targeted a similar plant to test the weapon
Sphere Builders were Dominion before Dominion began domioneering.
I just watch star trek. I dont think about logic and just accept nothing makes sense in star trek
That does help the enjoyment of the episodes
Wouldn't it make more sense for Starfleet to keep its forces around earth not the edges of the system because they would always be able to respond to with full force no matter where the weapon appears. If the weapon appears at the edge of the system in any direction they can go out to meet it so they would have to fight closer to earth and lose the facilities between entry point and engagement point but they would be able to use all forces and the loss of a few stations compared to a whole planet is not exactly a complicated choice especially if they were evacced first when a hostile species is identified. If the weapon appears practically above earth which it does they would also be there. By keeping the fleet at earth you have less time to destroy the weapon but all the fleet. if they are spread out at the edge of the system some ships probably wont even get to fight at all as by the time they get from one side to the other it is already over.
I been trying to watch your channel for a while because I'm a trekkie for years but I wasn't able to know why I didn't like your show couldn't put my finger on it till now I believe you feel you know then anyone and your opinion couldn't be wrong ever in other words its your hubris I don't like
Sounds like the channel isn’t for you, thanks for giving it a try.
Interesting defense strategy & tactics by Starfleet in defending Earth against the Xindi weapon. Let’s park everything out between the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud (speculating on what “edge of the Solar System” means). Didn’t it occur to anyone that a layered defense, not unlike the variety used near the end of the Earth-Romulus War just a few short years later, provided better coverage and the opportunity for some ships to engage and impede the Xindi while the remainder of the forces warped into where the engagement was occurring.
Also, what about the Verteron Array on Mars and the other Array on Venus. While not purpose-built as weapons, either Array had considerable destructive power that could be trained on inner system objects.
"The needs of the many outweigh the nerds of the few or the one"!
I know they've got a naming convention going on, but this Enterprise should have really been named The Emden based on this season alone.
Seemed rather recently youd gotten away from good analysis shows. Glad its back.
Nah, I think I’ve been doing analysis on pretty good shows
Did The Expanse die with this franchise? I do not remember hearing about it in the other Treks in the Alpha Quad.
yes
Enterprise was just getting interesting when it got cancelled it needed one or two more seasons. It was a shame it stopped when it did because covering the Earth Romulan war would have been great.
Enterprise suffered greatly from it's bfirst two seasons. I think it's the show the suffered the worst of it.
Yeah every Trek show, TNG, DS9, Disc, Voy, they all have bad starting seasons. But Enterprise got hit the hardest of all by it.
@@Mobysimo Season 1 and 2 could have been combined into a signle season. The issue is that the other seaons had done things similar if not done it betetr in their esrlier seasons.
Tbh the xindi should have just sent like 50 of those little spheres..that would have done the job xD
Lets be real. If they had the tech to build that kind of weapon, they could have calculated the power needed to destroy Earth without sending their only prototype.