The Entire History of Logic Pro
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CORRECTION: The original dongle for the log3 was not USB as it had not been invented yet. C-lab was also purchased by emagic later on, my mistake! If you guys see any errors in my videos, please let me know! I always try my best to research but we are human and bound to get things wrong or missing some context. Thanks for watching!
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Resources to read about Logic Pro's History:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Pro
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emagic
macprovideo.com/article/audio-software/a-brief-history-of-logic-from-emagic-to-apple
happymag.tv/logic-pro/
www.apple.com/logic-pro/
FYI, Alchemy, Phat FX and Step FX are just rebranded versions of Camel Audio’s Alchemy, Camel Phat and Camel Space.
Apple bought the company around 10 or so years ago
This makes me sad because the last non Logic versions of those plugins do not work well on Mac anymore 😭
Thanks from the Logic team for your nice video about the history of Notator Logic. We really enjoyed it.
😳:)
Markus!! Haven't from you since the old Logic User and beta forums on the old dialup modems! 🙂 All the very best!
Wait, is the logic team still in Germany?
@@witchilich - yes. Still in Rellingen, Hamburg.
@markusfritze - wow, this has been a long time. 👍
Possibly worth mentioning that in the Logic Pro X/Logic Pro era all updates have been free to existing owners. So there has no need for any Logic user to pay for any updates (of which there have been many) since 2013. This is one of its biggest features IMO
It’s history goes back even further than Emagic. Gerhard Lengling created a program called “super track”, and was available on the Commodore 64. He called the company “C-Lab”, and was based in Hamburg, Germany. That was my first sequencing program - I bought it in 1988. Not too long after, it migrated to Notator/Creator under a new company called “Emagic” (on the Atari). If you wanted only sequencing, you purchased “creator”. If you wanted notation as well, you would purchase notator.
Apple didn't "introduce" Alchemy. They bought Camel Audio, who created Alchemy and both SpaceFX and PhatFX (previously CamelPhat and CamelSpace). They were available long before 10.2
Thank you for your post. Being close to 70 myself, I using Logic from its inception. Some things that are important to point out that it actually started from a program from C-Lab called Creator. It was first available for the Atari ST which was attractive because it had built in MIDI ports. Later other platforms were supported. The large dongle attached directly to the computer because USB was not available at the time. I never heard of the Log 3 however C-Lab offered the Unitor with three separate MIDI outs and two MIDI ins. At the time an extra MIDI in was a very valuable and a scarce option. This piece of plastic ,which replaced the dongle, was about $750 additional to the cost of Notator. Much later, when USB was available, the interface switched. C-Lab's early distributors of this magnificent program was only available through Ensoniq and then later Digidesign, which is now known as Avid. Back in the early 80s, if you were to buy Logic and Unitor you were looking at about $1200. You can purchase logic pro for $199 today which is less than the price of each update from C-Lab and Emagic. Talk about "bang for the buck".
I got started with Logic at the bridge between C-Lab and EMAGIC. I’m 55. My Atari 400 couldn’t run that stuff before getting a Mac years later. It’s funny that some young uns think Logic is GarageBand Pro. I still have my XS Key. Lol. What is provided at $199 is amazing. In may teen years, that was the cost of an excellent cassette player.
I'm never gonna forget how Apple bought out Camel Audio and made Alchemy a Mac exclusive right before I was able to buy the original plug-in
Yeah, that was a loss for everyone who doesn't use Logic. :/
The loss of Camelcrusher (unless you want to snoop around for the vst/au file) is heavily felt by electronic music producers, use it quite a bit for saturating drums and phatfx doesn't really achieve the raw sonic quality even if it is a lot more versatile
Indeed. I made 2 content banks for Alchemy - one for the factory presets and one commercial expansion (bigtone). I was ready to do another one when Ben contacted me and said that he was sold to Apple - the whole company actually, including the employees. As i was on PC, first i "lost" Logic, then i "lost" Alchemy. 🤦♂️😂
I guess we should be mad at Ben Gillett (Camel Audio) for selling his company, but to be fair, Apple didn't just buy out his products for scrap like so many acquisition companies do. They hired Ben and he's still working at Apple today as a senior software engineer. It wasn't just Alchemy that made its way into Logic, but also all of the effects from CamelPhat and CamelCrusher.
@@tronam - i am not mad at him at all. We all would probably have done it the same way.
your content is too underrated. Keep pushing
This was a great little look back! One thing that I’d like to mention (that’s probably already been said) is that the X in “Logic Pro X” is actually a roman numeral 10. It was still/already “Logic Pro 10” when it launched, just stylized a little differently.
You left out Emagic Logic Audio. That’s what it was called in 2000 (version 4.5)
Grammy winning songs were recorded in GarageBand
Regarding plugins… all the Logic plugins are great.
Yeah - I was looking for info on the great exodus to Cubase back in 2002...after Apple informed everyone who had built an XP machine and purchased Logic version 5 that they were dropping all Windows support.
@@timbushong4387 I came from Cubase to Logic 😁 But always on a Mac. Everyone I know that used Windows had nothing but headaches. Lol. And I’m a former sys op in a mixed (Mac/Win/Unix) environment… guess which computers had the most problems?
@@DavidRavenMoon - Yeah - I hear ya. Back then, it might have made more sense to spend the extra$ and buy a Mac. I had IT friends who were like 'I'll BUILD you a computer,' and I fell for it. Now I'm a sole Reaper on Win10 user, and happy as a clam. I remember all the hullabaloo when Apple bought Emagic, and the insanity on all the Logic message boards!
That’s it, can’t take it anymore, subbed! This is an assault of quality content. Having watched the history of Ableton, FL, now this. Great work!
Wow. I just purchased Logic. Been a Cubase user since the late 80s. I've always been a Mac, Apple user. Got tired of paying for Cubase upgrades.i knew of Emagic in the 90's. I had one if their soundcards. I love Logic and knew about it long ago. Was a Steinberg hardhead. Wish I switched to Logic long ago. Not many folks know about Apple purchasing Emagic, s gem of a program. Thanks for message!
Dang you’re a serious veteran. Do you have a SoundCloud
I've owned Logic since version 7 but have used it before since 5.5 Platinum (On Windows). It has so much history and so much functionality built in. One of the most common things I used to see on the interwebz was someone asking for a feature in Logic only for someone else to respond that it was already there.
The dreaded “environment page”
C-Lab Creator was the company's first brand and product.
Correct, back in 1987 I believe. I remember using Notator in 1989.
Hardly "The Entire History of Logic Pro" here, you missed out the whole Emagic Logic mac/PC development bit in the 90's. As an early user and adopter of Logic ( from Notator onwards ) this to me is the most important piece of the history as it's actually the beginning of virtual instruments and third party plugins which at the time were a massive industry game changer. Effectively the beginning of mixing in the box and the transition from sequencer to DAW.
Thank you for the video. Small details: First came Creator by C-Lab, not by "Emagic", then Notator, still by C-Lab.
Then "Notator Logic" by Emagic. At 0:50 Notator Logic didn't run with an "USB dongle", there was a dongle but not an USB one as there was no USB on the Atari. Actualy there was no USB on our planet yet in this time. 😉
Yeah, I caught that too about USB. Good video though for people who don't know how Logic Pro originated.
I placed a correction in my pinned comment, thank you for the info! I was looking at the old manuals for the programs and hardware online and couldn't really find any specific info on it, so I had just assumed.
Yeah, thanks for the correction. That way I didn’t have to! My first sequencer was C-Lab Creator on Atari 1040ST in 1987. I still have the software and manual. In fact, I have every version in existence. Soundiver was the absolute best universal programmer and I really wish they would bring it back now that hardware synths are so popular again.
why doesn’t this have at least a million views what keep making content this is so fucking good
Logic Pro is like the top 1 recording software in the Gospel and church community. This is very informative content
You leapt from 1993 to 2004 - a period of HUGE development! I feel like most of Logic's significant development took place before version 5.5...
Just FYI, the Notator prefix was dropped when the Atari ST became obsolete. The creator/notator moniker prior to Notator Logic was developed exclusively for the Atari ST, because the ST, unlike the Amiga, came shipped with midi ports. Creator, Notator, Notator Logic and a few other lesser known ST clones like Dr. T’s Tiger Cub(Used by Aphex Twin) Are MIDI data exclusive sequencers. Ie. incapable of audio processing. All the applied dynamic effects you mentioned were merely midi value setting command data. They didn’t affect the original signal, because there were no signals to affect. Only MIDI note data.
Once the Atari was obsolete, they dropped the Notator, and by the late 90’s, Logic Audio was available with Audio signal processing for G3 and up Macs. And a dongle was required to launch Logic audio for every version up until the Apple buy out. My first set up was powered by a G4 Mac tower, an 8x8 Emagic Unitor rack mounted midi interface and a copied version of Logic I ripped from my mates copy cuz I couldn’t afford the software after the G4($5000) and unitor($1000). So the software was legit, but I had to run a dongle crack which was the only pirated element.
Come 2004 I’d started using Ableton, and my early naughties broke ass never upgraded my ripped 2001 copy of Logic so I never used logic again post Apple buy out….
Yeah, they kind of had to retain the Notator name on the Atari platform to help inform users that it was the upgrade path, I guess because it didn't look like Notator anymore but more like it's rival Cubase. This of course wasn't necessary on the other platforms. Fun fact, it appears as though they did start working toward an audio version of Logic for the Atari but unfortunately it was too late, Atari was done with computers. Oddly enough though, remaining stocks of the Atari Falcon were bought and sold by C-Lab and were used to run Cubase Audio.
Damn bro. I don't use Logic or even remotely interested in switching DAWs and still sat through the entire video. Great job. Just gained a sub.
Logic is beast mode!
Great video, great research, great overview! Thank you for publishing this 😘
such a high quality and informative video! you did an amazing job, and you deserve a lot more attention
keep making these history videos dude! you're about to blow
Great video! Great history lesson! I wouldn't call the 90s weird though, they were just in their technological infancy. Looking back with today's perspective, it is beyond be how they created all those albums on these early computers. I cut my teeth on naughtie's movie technology and the "rendering" process was a nightmare. There were so many coffee and cigarette breaks back then... one break because of adding an effect and another one because of "undo". Maybe that's why many bad effects were kept. Yet great stuff has been created.
Fantastic video dude hats off!! Thanks for the great info
I've being using it a lot lately and I love it. Thanks for all the info.
Thanks for your hard work. This video is awesome!
This channel is a gem thanks!!!
Excellent video! I'm 4 years new to Logic, so it's very helpful to gain an appreciation of it's earlier origins and history. Absolutely loved your informative and unbiased approach to this video.
11:19 Actually, Logic Pro 8 in box with all DVDs was $999, then it drops to $499… and then they drop it again to $199
Great video. With regard to the price drop, Apple did the same thing with Final Cut Pro. It used to be like $1000 I think? Something like that. Then there was final cut express. They got rid of express and just made the Pro version cheap.
Love the series man
You dope ass hell dude I binge watch these
I started with (a loan first...) Opcode Vision... then did a competitive crossgrade to Logic in the mid 90's... synced it up to an ADAT... HOo Boy!
Opcode Vision was a great sequencer at the time. Shame it disappeared.
Very good video, deserves more views and likes fr :)
Great video , thanks
Actually Notator(also Creator) was made by C-Lab on the Atari ST before Emagic bought them
Great video
Logic Remote is amazing. I use it for key commands. I customized the most commonly used key commands into one page.
Master Tracks Pro 1992, was the best, great memories.
Interesting video - Pro 9 was where I started after a Boss 8 track - best move I made 👍😊
Hey, thanks for this. One thing I noticed is missing from your history is mentioning when recording digital audio was first introduced into Logic. I remember when this first happened. Up until then, Logic (like every other sequencing program) was midi only. I don’t know the exact date it was first introduced, but I remember upgrading to version 3 in 1997, and this was my first version with audio recording. I have an image of v3.5 in my mind. I remember the year, because I’d just moved back from the UK to Australia. As well as that big move, I upgraded to v3 (3.5?)…..and switched from a Mac (Color Classic) to a Windows machine for the first time. Which crashed more in that first week than my Mac had crashed in the last year :( But moving from midi only to audio was a HUGE change which deserves to be in your history.
Love it. How about a throwback to Sonic Foundry’s Acid?
Great video!
thank you for the b roll!
@@afunnylookingsquash wait whaaaatt haha.
@@JulianGrayMedia I think I used some clips from your channel in one of my history videos and credited you in the description :)
Usb wasn't a thing back then, it was a serial port. I still have my chunky dongle from the emagic era
wow great stuff
creator/notator was around in the eighties. that was the original version of logic and might have only run on atari computers.
Love the vid and channel, I'll add a few thoughts. The Logic "environment" page use a to be a big deal, the concealed it in recent versions. It was also too complicated for the average user. It was a bit like programming the daw and mixer for specific aspirations. Track Stacks was a huge deal in recent versions because it made the idea of the bus channel architecture much easier to use right on the arranging page. The key point of Logic over the others is it is less "clunky" and more elegant. Cubase has always had a few more features where Logic would implement them over time where applicable. The more recent versions are much more stable. The song folder structure was changed so that everything is included in one folder instead of having a separate folder for audio and a separate folder for the project files. The EXS (now called sampler) was also critical to Logics stronghold, it could also import GIGA files which where the first format to introduce "disk streaming" which made very large instruments possible utilizing a hard disk. Now with SSD hard disks the very large sample libraries load much faster and you can have many more. Processing power use to be a huge issue (overload messages). On the more speculative side, for me the DAWS summing engine was always a little bit ahead of the others because it doesn't clip like cubase when you bounce down files. The 64bit engine for Logic was also another major milestone because of the improved memory capabilities (power). They don't use "VST" anymore but I think there are wrappers. Yes dropping windows support was a huge problem. It makes sense the notation system was part of the origin because it has always operated a bit more smoothly than others and had more graphical eye candy to produce scores. Logic uses a slick automation lane system that you can engage for all tracks or disable as needed. They also recently introduced some new views and windows as well as midi effects on tracks. I've been using logic for about 20 years. It's got more features than I could ever get to.
I always loathed the Environment view and I was so glad when they added the "MIDI FX" system so that Environment was no longer necessary.
I am a huge Logic Pro fan and admirer. I have a dedicated list of suggestions to send to Apple, I can´t wait for the upcoming updates!
I would love to see this kind of content on studio one also.. But I guess it's history is fairly new apart from presonus buying it out from the original creators of Kristel audio .
Great video! Joined the Apple ecosystem bc Logic visually makes sense to my brain.
Just found you and subbed. Thanks so much for your hard work! Will you do a complete study of Garage Band?
Thanks :) I've made a video on GarageBand already! You can see it on my channel :)
I feel you since my first primary DAW is Logic. it's a history. Thank you.
I was into Amiga trackers in the 80's/90's, and my first Logic was version 4 running in Mac OS 9. One thing distracts me here. To many viewers the 90's was just another decade in life. Perhaps make it less about your own age perspective and more about the subject. It could improve longevity :) Besides that, very cool concept.
There's so much stuff I never knew about logic, it has gone through so many changes but is still top of the DAWS in my opinion.
Delay Designer and Logic’s other advanced instruments and effects in 8 were insanely good for the time
I’d have liked to see a bit more on the earlier history; was a bit taken aback when it went straight from it being MIDI sequencing/notating to being brought by Apple… I feel like a lot more radical changes were happening in music tech generally in those years. Maybe I just wanted to scratch the nostalgia itch from the brief period I used it around 2000-2002.
Agreed. The inclusion of EXS and the ability to record audio directly into Logic were huge milestones.
@@stephenmarsh6746 essentially by the time Apple brought it, it had gone from being an early midi sequencer to what we now think of as a DAW, mostly distinguished from others by its patching environment. Hasn't every change since then been fairly incremental and in many cases mostly cosmetic?
Indeed. The most important changes happened between v.3.5 and v.platinum 5.5.1 - which was the last Windows version. I worked 4 years still with Logic after Emagic was sold to Apple. Then i was kinda forced to switch, because it became more and more incompatible and unstable with back then "recent" VST Plugins. And though i'm kinda happy with Studio One and Bitwig Studio, i really miss Logic. Simply _nothing_ was able to beat the workflow philosophy of screensets and content-linked Editors. And due to Apples "one window" philosophy they had to drop exactly _this_ idea. Plus they dropped hyperdraw (which i was using constantly) as well as hyperedit. So on Mac it actually can never be the same golden workflow.
Thanks for this! Not many people know of Emagic Logic before Apple. It was the first DAW I saw but never used. But several people had it running on Windows. I actually started in GarageBand and later upgraded to Ableton Live and only years later when I couldn’t afford Live’s upgrade price tag did I buy Logic Pro X … and no I didn’t find it intuitive. I’ve been using Mac OS full time since 2003 and Logic was the only Apple product I never understood. I switched to SeratoStudio when it came 3 years ago. Much better for producing.
This video is awesome. Thank you! I remember buying Logic 8 at guitar center for like $599 or so lol yikes 😳
And it took all day to install. It was so many cds lol
I loved Logic pro X for the time I used it but the Mac I had was just not powerful enough. (2015 MacBook Pro). Nice to know I'll have a licence with Apple if I ever get a better Mac but now I use a PC, which is much much more powerful, (Ableton 11 on my PC). I bought guitar rig pro last year and the MacBook just crapped itself so had to upgrade.
I got my hands on “Creator”, the program preceding “Notator” in the late 80’s. The company then was called “C-Lab” which later turned into Emagic. My point being: I am old AF.
Just here to say I remember Netscape….
Also great video!
I started out on some watered down version of 3
There was also Creator which was a cutdown version of Notator, just without the notation functionally. I bought it in 1992 to use with my Atari STE. Think it cost be about £300.
I started out on Notator in hopes of not having to copy charts. Hah! I could always write faster by hand. The sequencing was dorky but the flavor of the era. The Atari computer was a great music computer. That went the way of the dodo. Still with Logic.
I started with Emagic Creator on the Atari-ST with the multi-port dongle. By the time Logic was ported over to the Mac, I was making a bit more money, and could finally afford a Mac! I got a Centris 650 and Emagic Logic (v3 I think) and it's been my primary Sequencer & DAW ever since. Logic Rules!!!
This guys is good
Solid. I've been on Logic since around v4 ('99-ish). physical manual with obvious German-as-a-first-language editing problems. LOL.
Can you so history of MainStage plz, I would like for you to educate us on that plz and thank you God bless
Forgot to mention all things camel audio
Excellent video, I am still rocking 10.2. advice to anyone who wants, keep your machine off-line. Well that is if you don't import audio like splice.
all my audio is offline still lol, but ilok....................... 💀absolute pain to deal with
Totally agree - too many "updates" run in the background which can sometimes screw things up if you're always connected. And you can run trial versions of your fav plugins perpetually if you never connect to the internet. ;-)
1998, I worked as a FFF producer at the "Metra Studios Cologne". My Boss, Constantin Ende, was a good Friend of Mr. Lengeling. So we got to Beta Test every new Version, when Logic was still Emagic and running on PC too.
And now, I will tell you the last Thing Lengeling said in private to our team about "Logic" before his Company "Emagic" went 100% to apple:
"FINALLY I CAN FINISH THE SONG I INVENTED LOGIC FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE!"
no kidding!
The OG dongle wasn't USB it was ADB if my memory isn't failing me.
i read this giant manual for the original notator log 3 and i couldn't really find any specific info on it other than a few pics, so i just assumed. good to know!
@@afunnylookingsquash Yeah USB came out ~1996 but the first time I remember it being promoted was the original iMac from 1998 that dropped ADB/SCSI in favor of just USB ports. It was a while before I started seeing it on most PCs.
The OG dongle jammed into the cartridge port on the side of an Atari and was kind of cool because it was also a dongle for Notator SL, as well as a MIDI interface. But yeah, the OG dongles for the Mac and PC predated USB.
Thanks! Great work 🎉… I started with Logic 2.5 . Still going strong ( and far cheaper today )
Protools video would be great!
please do cakewalk next
One highlight you forgot to mention is Logic 4 in 1999. Logic 4 introduced a whopping 34 processing plugins, including:
Ensemble
Fat EQ
Silver EQ
DJ EQ
Parametric EQ
High Shelf Filter
Low Shelf Filter
High Cut Filter
Low Cut Filter
Low Pass Filter
High Pass Filter
Compressor
Silver Compressor
Expander
Noise Gate
Silver Gate
Distortion
Overdrive
Bitcrusher
Oscillator
AutoFilter
Spectral Gate
Tape Delay
Modulation Delay
Chorus
Flanger
Phaser
Pitch Shifter
Platinumverb
Goldverb
Silververb
Enverb
Volume
Dither
And every single one of them is still a part of Logic today in some form (although some are now "legacy" or have been combined together into multifunction plugins).
Can you do one on studio one and ProTools?
Man I love logic💯
You forgot buying camel audio, who are responsible for alchemy.
First version i purchased was Logic 8.. i believe it was the "basic" version, because the one with all the samples was extremely expensive
and here i am, still using Logic! not version 8 thankfully 😅
Edit -> the videos says it, Logic Express!
I went through all this from Notator SL to the newest version but it's great to see it in one video thank you!
BRO i had no idea there were so many versions of this program, really extensive look at Logic Pro!
Nice video ;)
All though I think the back story of how Apple got the Alchemy synth into Logic would have been nice.
Story of Alchemy:
Apple bought Camel Audio and got Alchemy. Step FX and Phat FX also comes from Camel Audio.
They are all great and they were a great edition to Logics instruments and effects.
Actually there's no big stroy beind it. Ben Gillett was running his company "Camel Audio". And once Alchemy was released, only a short time later (i think a year or two or so), Apple bought Camel Audio. With a snap. Afaik with all employers (of which i believe at that time it was 3 people next to Ben - his wife and two others). That's pretty much it.
@@broklanders4730 And it looks like Ben is still working at Apple today. I'm happy for him, even if I can understand PC folks feeling salty over the shutdown of the company.
@@tronam - oh yes, i know he's still working for Apple, just like almost everyone of the former Emagic staff.
I started on MicroLogic back in '96. Been a Logic user ever since. It really is the best DAW to this day. Why fool yourself otherwise?
the score editor is a disnossaur, they have to go back to roots and update it
I just trying to use Logic, because 4/5 gigs of ableton are to much for my intel macbook. And... you can feel the legacy. For example the UI of the ES synths.
great video! was expecting 400k views but... wow
I will the one person here who has used Netscape
I used Netscape. And before that, I used NCSA Mosaic. Over SLIP.
Hardly ... lol! Netscape ... Mosaic ... Compuserve ... ahhh... the joys of SCSI Voodo :)
4:50
I make music on Garagband iOS (on iPad) and it is super capable.
90s weren't weird dude. It is called invention, development, evolution and progression - like every single thing with staying power ever made. The year MIDI was introduced (1983) to us bands pounding away in funky house jam spaces was glorious. Meant we could expand the creative process with less people and in smaller spaces with big sound. The DAW has all but pretty much killed off big industry studios minus the last legacy & label studios hanging by a thread staying alive almost exclusively on movie scoring, commercial voice over and high paid mainstream recording artists. But it is coming to an end soon. Bedroom bangers and large scale professional 'home' studios are casted in stone for the future. As a guitarist, all of this tech last 40+ years has been awesome. I have used so much of it and the DAWS are fantastic. Been a Garageband, Logic Pro and now a REAPER fanatic due to the customization ability. Love all this stuff!! Enjoying your videos - keep them coming 🤘
Wait… you went straight from notator logic to apple’s acquisition without ever mentioning the blue dongle!
There's whole ton of stuff that was missed out before Apples acquisition in this video to be honest. Pretty much the most important parts of the software going from a sequencer to a DAW.
Can you do one on pro-tools i wanna know about it
yes sir, got a bunch planned
❤
Amazing Video ... How the hell did you get the screenshots from 1990 ... lol .... I started using in 2002 ... it was a 4 track back then and Emagic just does it to Apple ....
the way back machine!
I seem to remember the c-lab notator didn’t have an arrange view as we know it, it had a bizarre pattern based arrangement,
Yeah, and the piano roll ran top to bottom.
Yes, I feel like it something like lanes “A,B,C & D” that you could put groups of tracks together in. And it was a vertical arrangement with no scroll line.
9:50 Logic Pro is more like a combination of Ableton, FL, Cubase and Protools. There is nothing like it on the market for the price. 🙃
I assumed everyone knew that 'X' is the Roman numeral for 10. Therefore, Logic Pro 9 gave way to Logic Pro X in the same way Mac OS9 became Mac OSX.
6:00 that’s a windows calendar