That last point is the most important point that so many people forget, and not just tree folks. If you're on a team, even if you're the boss, learn to keep your mouth shut and let the people doing the work.... do the work. You've done your part. Talking with the people who are taking over when they're in the middle of doing their work.... that's just creating problems. Learn to be quiet. That way, when you do speak, it stands out in their minds and they immediately register that it's something imporant.
I was on the ground on the port-a-wrap doing wraps and dropped 4 Ponderosa Pine tops against the trunks, my buddy, the climber, was sending. I'd like to not shake him all over the place via slamming the tops against the tree. In summation, a groundie's tutorial on lowering would be grand. Thanks! Love your work.
Top notch Pat, 👍 Just to reiterate that keeping one's climbing line tied in at knee height and the lanyard at waist height is key when working on spars, 🌲 🇨🇦 🇮🇪
I have watched many of your videos multiple times. I especially enjoy those where you voice over or type over the action. You method and style of communication is as important as your knowledge of rigging and cutting. I have directed my son whom I am teaching to climb to many of your videos as education and training. Keep up the quality videos.
Nice little video Patrick. These are very simple repetitive tasks for s daily climber. But for novice or inexperienced guy this might save a life. Awesome work sir.
Educational as well. I use the daisy chain so much now that I have to practice the other knots so I don't forget how to do them. Good thing I have my copy of the Fundamentals. Thanks for that too.
I really enjoyed the format. Your videos are always informative but the step-by-step approach really compliments the video. Good work by your ground crew. That top ran out really well. No ride on the top!
This is pure solid gold material. Vids on YT have the potential to accomplish something that even apprenticeships can't: first-person viewpoint demonstrations by the climber, and not just to one apprentice, but to thousands of people. But key to making this work is explaining what you were thinking and looking at and why, at every moment. AND YOU DID THIS PERFECTLY. Thank you for being brave enough to do the hard work and put this out for all of us. Many people in the industry seem to be unwilling to share the real meat of the work, because they are afraid people will self-teach, take on too much, and die. I understand the worry, but the alternative is probably more real and deadly: many of us are self-teaching and nobody can stop us, so the better the information we have, the less likely we are to die. Having the people with the knowledge withhold it from us is not going to stop us, it is a false attempt at prevention that ultimately fails worse than it helps. Your wonderful and generous channel here is a beautiful antidote to all the ignorance, and I thank you, maybe with my life some day. Never doubt whether it's worth doing.
Very informative straight forward and enjoyable to watch for any reason. You really do save lives with this material. From anyone who understands or wants to Thank you
Don’t be barking at them!!! So important. I refuse to bark at my groundies, when I do it’s necessary and they respect it. Gotta know when to ask em to pick it up, and know when to just sit there staring at em smiling. Love watching em work, and doing so willingly.
Hello Patrick from Ohio! Loved this video. I'm still new to the game and this helped alot. Great video. Keep up the great teachings! Love your knot tutorials as well. Stay safe and have a great day man!
I use a big open face notch when cutting big timber at the butt. It allows the hinge to travel further before it closes and breaks. Stops pulls and slabing.
what I've learned, is that with a back lean top, you should always do a 3:1 ma rope winch as a ground crew. Too many times I've made the test pull an be like: "oh yeah, moves nicely.." only to then having difficulties to pull the top over when the climber makes the cuts... I think the test pull is easier because you have the full length of the tree as a lever, rather than the actual 3-5meters when the cuts are made. and if you then need a fast pull at the end of the procedure, just grab all 3 ropes... nice vid. thanks!
The patience part. That is the virtue my climber seems to lack the most. I am his groundsman/arborist trainee and a lot of the time its just us two. I work the lines, remove brush, operate chipper, move out work truck if necessary, talk with customer if language barrier (I’m bilingual in Spanish and English), and work chainsaw on the ground if limbs are too big for myself to move. God forbid I take a couple minutes longer than he wants to catch my breath or drink water or you know (run the rigging line safely and efficiently) cut up with chainsaw, haul out, then get back on the line for for the next limb. Damn that felt good to get off my chest wow! 😮💨
It takes as long as it takes buddy. Anyone working the ground by themselves when there is rigging involved has a very tough job indeed. Hang in there ✌️. - Patrick
appreciate your comment about not barking at the ground crew. I've always felt you can tell a hack crew by how much screaming is going on during the job. A solid crew should have to rely on very little, if any at all, shouting during the job.
The text commentary was pretty damn cool explaining this or that or this or that because there are different ways to do everything and you only explain the best of the best of those ways to do each specific demonstration in particular of Whatever video I love it brother
Question: What would happen if your cut fell in the opposite direction of how you wanted it (180°)? Would that disrupt your friction ring at all, or would it still work at usual? 3:36 is my reference point for this.
Interesting...why do you say you should’ve engaged the chain brake before stowing the saw? I find leaving it off allows the chain to run when the teeth catch my pants, ropes, or boots, rather than digging in and causing more damage. I’m going to engage the brake as part of my startup procedure anyway; is there another reason I’m not seeing for engaging it when the engine is off? Very good demo! I appreciate these, even when I don’t learn anything new, it’s a good reminder and chance to assess my habits through someone else’s eyes.
I don't engage the brake making a topping cut either, I just shut the saw off immediately..... but I know the safety advocates will say that you should... All the best... - Patrick
Hi Patrick, great video. If you do an edit in future could you leave the text on for a bit longer please. Doesn’t affect the video per se, just means that us lazy types don’t have to keep scrolling back and pausing. Keep up the good work.
You can slow the play back speed in youtube with the 3 dots in the corner...makes it easier to read...also useful for other videos. Sometimes speeding up is nice too...
Didn't realize you're in Ohio. I thought all the trees looked pretty familiar. Being an arborist greatly interests me. Thanks for making such informative videos for me to learn from!
I would be pleased if you could do a video what the ground crew has to do. Especially the process when the tree top is falling down. Is the line fixed on the bollard or what’s the best way?
"Don't push your luck. Chance has no memory." So much wisdom. Write this on your harness and/or chainsaw. Read it every day. The mantra my father taught us -- taught to him in the Airforce -- was, "This machine has no conscience and plays no favorites" One of my professors' sayings was, "The machine isn't *actually* evil and it doesn't *actually* want you to fail, but that's a good working approximation."
Hi what’s the song at the end of video? Thanks and great content, letting the crew works things out on their own as they’ve done it before is professional. You my friend are in it for the long haul.
I generally place lanyard and climb line above the sling. I just don’t care to have either trapped beneath the sling in the event anything goes wrong and the load gets bound up.
What advantage is the Daisy over a running bowline? I e used a running bowline for over 38 years, and can tie it quickly, in awkward positions, and could do it with my eyes closed if necessary. Honestly curious as to why you prefer the daisy?
They are using a bollard attached to the base of the tree, rope wraps around it, allows lowering of pieces heavier than bodyweight or what you can hold by hand.... - y
Great video step by step:) Thanks, just wondering, do you recommend always having the swivel snap (on your right upper D) facing in or is it a matter of preference? I see both ways done.
Setting it up this way keeps you from getting thrown over the top of the spar and possibly falling if you were rigging big, and allows you to easily unclip your lanyard and descend to the ground if you had to... if that makes sense... - Patrick
Hey I have a question. Why exactly does your main climbing line go below the rigging sling? To me, it looks like when the sling is loaded it could possibly pinch your climbing line against the trunk? Could you explain this detail for me and why it shouldn't go above the sling like your lanyard? Thanks
When you start rigging bigger stuff, you can get terrible stem shake when the piece slams into the spar....people have been killed from this because they didn't have a cinching system below the rigging sling....they have been thrown right up and over the top and fallen to the ground...so setting it up like this means that even if your lanyard popped over the top, your climbing system is locked in place underneath the rigging sling, and you won't be able to go flying over the top... As shown here, the climbing line is being pinched, so to speak, by the rigging sling, but not by the ring/block itself or the rigging line... it is safe under there... Hope that makes sense... thanks for watching... - Pattick
Awesome thanks so much. It's crazy how many small details like this there are that can be the difference between life and death. Thank you for sharing and all that you do for the arbor community
Simply using a half hitch belpw your bowline or daisy chain is proper technique for this. Exactly what he did. I understand what you're saying, and it seems like a logical method. I'm unsure of exactly why cutting a small groove isn't recommended, but I've always used hh with my knot if slippage seemed possible and haven't had any issues. Knock on wood.
I don't care for a that distance between block and the cut... i prefer to tie the sling on (in this case I would have tied the sling above the crotch, then cut the notch within a few inches of sling, then laced up the lowering line.
The reason why you find the wider open notch cut pulls the stem less is because the hinge breaks at a later time. Rather than the piece of wood breaking half way in mid air then dropping a further distance, creating higher pull force when the rope catches it, the wider cut would release the bit of wood a few seconds later, which will cushion the fall more.
That last point is the most important point that so many people forget, and not just tree folks. If you're on a team, even if you're the boss, learn to keep your mouth shut and let the people doing the work.... do the work. You've done your part. Talking with the people who are taking over when they're in the middle of doing their work.... that's just creating problems. Learn to be quiet. That way, when you do speak, it stands out in their minds and they immediately register that it's something imporant.
Nice job Patrick. Saving lives man, this content is priceless.
Appreciate it... - Patrick
I totally agree...thanks for the clear explanation
I most definitely learned how to climb watching his vids helped my dad's company out even more
I was on the ground on the port-a-wrap doing wraps and dropped 4 Ponderosa Pine tops against the trunks, my buddy, the climber, was sending. I'd like to not shake him all over the place via slamming the tops against the tree. In summation, a groundie's tutorial on lowering would be grand. Thanks! Love your work.
Let it run. Let it run. LET IT RUN.
Super patient and professional as always. Textbook rigging and made it look easy.
Thanks man - Patrick
Top notch Pat, 👍 Just to reiterate that keeping one's climbing line tied in at knee height and the lanyard at waist height is key when working on spars, 🌲 🇨🇦 🇮🇪
I have watched many of your videos multiple times. I especially enjoy those where you voice over or type over the action. You method and style of communication is as important as your knowledge of rigging and cutting. I have directed my son whom I am teaching to climb to many of your videos as education and training. Keep up the quality videos.
Great point! 4:04
Hell of a video Patrick! Thank you so much for sharing your hard-earned knowledge.
Thank you! - Patrick
Patient tree climber like me, staying humble and calm with the guys.
Nice little video Patrick. These are very simple repetitive tasks for s daily climber. But for novice or inexperienced guy this might save a life. Awesome work sir.
Educational as well. I use the daisy chain so much now that I have to practice the other knots so I don't forget how to do them. Good thing I have my copy of the Fundamentals. Thanks for that too.
All the best - Patrick
I really enjoyed the format. Your videos are always informative but the step-by-step approach really compliments the video. Good work by your ground crew. That top ran out really well. No ride on the top!
This is pure solid gold material. Vids on YT have the potential to accomplish something that even apprenticeships can't: first-person viewpoint demonstrations by the climber, and not just to one apprentice, but to thousands of people. But key to making this work is explaining what you were thinking and looking at and why, at every moment. AND YOU DID THIS PERFECTLY. Thank you for being brave enough to do the hard work and put this out for all of us. Many people in the industry seem to be unwilling to share the real meat of the work, because they are afraid people will self-teach, take on too much, and die. I understand the worry, but the alternative is probably more real and deadly: many of us are self-teaching and nobody can stop us, so the better the information we have, the less likely we are to die. Having the people with the knowledge withhold it from us is not going to stop us, it is a false attempt at prevention that ultimately fails worse than it helps. Your wonderful and generous channel here is a beautiful antidote to all the ignorance, and I thank you, maybe with my life some day. Never doubt whether it's worth doing.
What do you mean by "self-teaching"? Like never doing any tree work until one day you get a chainsaw and just start wingin it?..
Brilliant as always! Thanks very much for the in depth explanation.
Glad you enjoyed it! - Patrick
Very informative straight forward and enjoyable to watch for any reason. You really do save lives with this material. From anyone who understands or wants to Thank you
Great video as always
Thank you for taking us along
Glad you enjoyed it - Patrick
Don’t be barking at them!!! So important. I refuse to bark at my groundies, when I do it’s necessary and they respect it. Gotta know when to ask em to pick it up, and know when to just sit there staring at em smiling. Love watching em work, and doing so willingly.
Love the system and the technique
Very nice to see such professionalism.... Thank you...
Great vid always good to stay sharp on even the fundamentals.
Great video, Patrick. You have a gift of teaching. I really love your attention to detail and emphasis on saftey.
Hello Patrick from Ohio! Loved this video. I'm still new to the game and this helped alot. Great video. Keep up the great teachings! Love your knot tutorials as well. Stay safe and have a great day man!
All of your videos are amazing. I'm also partaking in the podcasts!
Thank you for all your videos
I use a big open face notch when cutting big timber at the butt. It allows the hinge to travel further before it closes and breaks. Stops pulls and slabing.
Very well done, thank you!
Glad you liked it! - Patrick
Beautiful work brother
Great Job! Thank you to sharing with us.
what I've learned, is that with a back lean top, you should always do a 3:1 ma rope winch as a ground crew. Too many times I've made the test pull an be like: "oh yeah, moves nicely.." only to then having difficulties to pull the top over when the climber makes the cuts... I think the test pull is easier because you have the full length of the tree as a lever, rather than the actual 3-5meters when the cuts are made.
and if you then need a fast pull at the end of the procedure, just grab all 3 ropes...
nice vid. thanks!
Thanks Patrick always appreciate the instructionals from you
Awesome tutorials and great videos.
Can you please explain to me why and the importance of putting the rigging sling below your lanyard?
amazing work
You have a very nice teaching style. Thanks a lot for sharing. Liked/subbed and looking at more now!
Love this style of video 💪
Great Video!!! All Steps make totally sense. Thanks for that! - Reto
Thanks! - Patrick
Nice job Patrick 👍👍
The patience part. That is the virtue my climber seems to lack the most. I am his groundsman/arborist trainee and a lot of the time its just us two. I work the lines, remove brush, operate chipper, move out work truck if necessary, talk with customer if language barrier (I’m bilingual in Spanish and English), and work chainsaw on the ground if limbs are too big for myself to move. God forbid I take a couple minutes longer than he wants to catch my breath or drink water or you know (run the rigging line safely and efficiently) cut up with chainsaw, haul out, then get back on the line for for the next limb. Damn that felt good to get off my chest wow! 😮💨
It takes as long as it takes buddy. Anyone working the ground by themselves when there is rigging involved has a very tough job indeed. Hang in there ✌️. - Patrick
Good job
appreciate your comment about not barking at the ground crew. I've always felt you can tell a hack crew by how much screaming is going on during the job. A solid crew should have to rely on very little, if any at all, shouting during the job.
The text commentary was pretty damn cool explaining this or that or this or that because there are different ways to do everything and you only explain the best of the best of those ways to do each specific demonstration in particular of Whatever video I love it brother
Thanks Joey, I appreciate it... - Patrick
Great video!!
Question: What would happen if your cut fell in the opposite direction of how you wanted it (180°)? Would that disrupt your friction ring at all, or would it still work at usual? 3:36 is my reference point for this.
Great short video Patrick 🙂
thank you! very clear and concise
Thank you 🙏
Interesting...why do you say you should’ve engaged the chain brake before stowing the saw? I find leaving it off allows the chain to run when the teeth catch my pants, ropes, or boots, rather than digging in and causing more damage. I’m going to engage the brake as part of my startup procedure anyway; is there another reason I’m not seeing for engaging it when the engine is off?
Very good demo! I appreciate these, even when I don’t learn anything new, it’s a good reminder and chance to assess my habits through someone else’s eyes.
I don't engage the brake making a topping cut either, I just shut the saw off immediately..... but I know the safety advocates will say that you should... All the best... - Patrick
Thanks dude!
Hi Patrick, great video. If you do an edit in future could you leave the text on for a bit longer please. Doesn’t affect the video per se, just means that us lazy types don’t have to keep scrolling back and pausing. Keep up the good work.
You can slow the play back speed in youtube with the 3 dots in the corner...makes it easier to read...also useful for other videos. Sometimes speeding up is nice too...
Great video
Right on
Superb
Didn't realize you're in Ohio. I thought all the trees looked pretty familiar. Being an arborist greatly interests me. Thanks for making such informative videos for me to learn from!
Great video. What size rope are you using to lower the tree down?
Hey mate awesome video, can you or anyone else explain to me why you have you flip line above the rigging sling and climbing line below ?
Cheers
I would be pleased if you could do a video what the ground crew has to do. Especially the process when the tree top is falling down. Is the line fixed on the bollard or what’s the best way?
EXCELLENT!
"Don't push your luck.
Chance has no memory."
So much wisdom. Write this on your harness and/or chainsaw. Read it every day.
The mantra my father taught us -- taught to him in the Airforce -- was, "This machine has no conscience and plays no favorites"
One of my professors' sayings was, "The machine isn't *actually* evil and it doesn't *actually* want you to fail,
but that's a good working approximation."
Thank you! I had a question on the lanyard position, why not have both climb systems below the rigging?
Hi what’s the song at the end of video? Thanks and great content, letting the crew works things out on their own as they’ve done it before is professional. You my friend are in it for the long haul.
Eric Purcell
I was wondering the same thing so I asked my Deezer app and it came back with ‘Highland Morning’ by ‘Rune Dale’
I generally place lanyard and climb line above the sling. I just don’t care to have either trapped beneath the sling in the event anything goes wrong and the load gets bound up.
What advantage is the Daisy over a running bowline? I e used a running bowline for over 38 years, and can tie it quickly, in awkward positions, and could do it with my eyes closed if necessary. Honestly curious as to why you prefer the daisy?
So I’ve been trying to figure out how to rig using a portowrap, I get the base setup at the botto, but how do you rig the top and what do you need?
Question? Is ground crew holding weight of the limb while the tree is falling or is there some type of mechanism you are using?
They are using a bollard attached to the base of the tree, rope wraps around it, allows lowering of pieces heavier than bodyweight or what you can hold by hand.... - y
Ok Kevin Glad you good now.
Beautiful music - who is it?
Great video step by step:) Thanks, just wondering, do you recommend always having the swivel snap (on your right upper D) facing in or is it a matter of preference? I see both ways done.
Nice jobb
How do you determine rope size, sling size?
Y'all that do this stuff are nuts.
Patrick, what does it afford you to anchor your flip line on bridge rings?
More comfortable in many situations... - Patrick
Man I am nervous about starting to actually climb and blow tops out
Start small, you got this... - Patrick
What Country/State/Province are you in? We're looking for A Few Nervous Men....
👏👏👏‼️👍 thank you.
:) - Patrick
Why do you have your lanyard on top of the rigging sling, and your second tie in/descent line below the rigging sling?
Setting it up this way keeps you from getting thrown over the top of the spar and possibly falling if you were rigging big, and allows you to easily unclip your lanyard and descend to the ground if you had to... if that makes sense... - Patrick
EducatedClimber gotcha that’s a great tip. Is that how you always tie in doing negative spar rigging?
Hey I have a question. Why exactly does your main climbing line go below the rigging sling? To me, it looks like when the sling is loaded it could possibly pinch your climbing line against the trunk? Could you explain this detail for me and why it shouldn't go above the sling like your lanyard? Thanks
When you start rigging bigger stuff, you can get terrible stem shake when the piece slams into the spar....people have been killed from this because they didn't have a cinching system below the rigging sling....they have been thrown right up and over the top and fallen to the ground...so setting it up like this means that even if your lanyard popped over the top, your climbing system is locked in place underneath the rigging sling, and you won't be able to go flying over the top... As shown here, the climbing line is being pinched, so to speak, by the rigging sling, but not by the ring/block itself or the rigging line... it is safe under there... Hope that makes sense... thanks for watching... - Pattick
Awesome thanks so much. It's crazy how many small details like this there are that can be the difference between life and death. Thank you for sharing and all that you do for the arbor community
Why do you put the x ring so low alex
Can someone explain the main benefit of the side cuts? Just a cleaner cut I’m assuming?
He mentions it in his other videos. Just prevents sides from possibly catching and spinning/pulling top to one direction on the way down
chrisberry84 thanks man
Why lace it up before cutting the notch
Addsand extra step
Cutting a small groove for the butt line to sit in is the way to go to prevent the line from slipping off the butt
Simply using a half hitch belpw your bowline or daisy chain is proper technique for this. Exactly what he did. I understand what you're saying, and it seems like a logical method. I'm unsure of exactly why cutting a small groove isn't recommended, but I've always used hh with my knot if slippage seemed possible and haven't had any issues. Knock on wood.
I don't care for a that distance between block and the cut... i prefer to tie the sling on (in this case I would have tied the sling above the crotch, then cut the notch within a few inches of sling, then laced up the lowering line.
Textbook👍
👌
"And never take chances in the wind."
The reason why you find the wider open notch cut pulls the stem less is because the hinge breaks at a later time. Rather than the piece of wood breaking half way in mid air then dropping a further distance, creating higher pull force when the rope catches it, the wider cut would release the bit of wood a few seconds later, which will cushion the fall more.
So the climbing line goes below the rigging line because…
Why didn't you just let it fall instead of tying it?
Sometimes you have to BARK BARK BARK at your ground crew
Step 1: Pull your rope out
Step 1.1: Make sure you did Step 1
Step 1.2: Check one more time
On my own lnykjo
All Good! 👍🫵
good one, but did later you abseil in SRT in zigzag WITHOUT chicane?
can you do that?
POST A VIDEO SHOWING YOUR FULL CLIMBING SETUP PLEASE! SADDLE, ROPES, GEAR, ECT. SOME OF US ARE GEAR LOVERS AND WE WANNA SEE IT.
THANKS DUDE!!!