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You definitely have something I don’t have. Proper articulation. When you work alone as long as I have you forget how to communicate. Well done. Another great video.
Hi, George here, I had a limb from a big pin oak that had cracked and come to rest on the ridge of my friends house. This limb was about fifty feet long and started out about 18" in diameter. It was almost horizontal and about 25 feet off the ground. The break was not quite complete and could fail at any time. Working alone, I rigged this in suspension from two other huge trees nearby and from the next huge limb on this old plantation age tree. The base of the trunk was an oval seven feet wide, co-dominant trunks. I managed to eventually lift the weight from the house and cut this monster free from the broken end. Man what an exhausting day. Hot weather too. I came down after multiple ascents and lowered the limb, cutting it to size as it came near the ground. While I was working on the other dead oaks that threatened to hit her house, a copperhead snake struck my right leg above my logging boot. I wear Pfanner Gladiator chainsaw pants and the snake could not get through to my flesh. I stomped it to grease with my logging boot. dont bring your little fangs to a boot fight. Once I had bucked all the firewood over the next few days I returned to the cabin I stay at up in the mountains of North Carolina and enjoyed a really bad case of poison ivy/oak. Oh, and I got stung my hornets on that job. Main thing is, my friends house is safe again... : )
Haha, wow! You sound like a top of the line friend! That sounds like a crazy job to tackle alone. I'm you the sounds of it, I think I certainly would have declined the job without another helper or something! Good work George! Glad to survived all the tribulations that came with the job. Keep uo the good work!
@@zaccheus Thank you. This friend of mine has had a rough go of it. I always try to help when she needs it. Her house was flooded twice, this last time she had seven feet of hurricane floodwater in her house for two weeks before it went down. That is what killed the oaks around the house. I am a benevolent man. I do not usually have help in her area. I do not know who I would ask. she has very little money. So thank you for your kind words too. Right on, George.
@@zaccheus what sucks is that as I was belaying back to the ground, my climbing line rubbed against the edge of her tin roof metal and got cut and I had to make two rigging lines out of my beautiful teufleberger line. I kind of flinch each time I use them. Oh well, they are great for rigging now.
Just a couple tips when using this method. Don’t use a face cut, just use a back cut, and cut towards the pulley. This will give you more control and the piece won’t prematurely pop off before you or the ground guys are ready. Also try and leave you’re last bit of holding wood, or fibers on the side you want the piece to pop off and drop (opposite of you). This way it won’t get hung up like it did for you. Lastly you can also use a tag on the butt so the ground guys can guide it down, and also act as a brake so it doesn’t pop off towards you (I think you mentioned this in the video after it got hung up). All in all great job. I don’t see a lot of guys using the stand up method but I love it, especially for right drop zones, or large sections overhanging structures.
Thanks for sharing. I'll peel them out occasionally, but I often prefer the face cut because it offers a little more directional control. You can also get the piece to break off with less force if you get your face cut angles right. It's also a little less likely to fail when the branch gets closer to vertical and all of the limb weight is sitting on the butt of the limb.
@@zaccheus as long as you have enough pulling power (which you do with the GRCS) the wood or branch should have no problem going towards the pulley regardless of a face cut. But fair enough every climber has preferences that work better for them. I’m not sure if it was on this video or another but I noticed you were having issues getting your saw pinched on some bigger pieces of wood when it was directly below the pulley. If you put a good bit of pre tension prior to the cut the saw shouldn’t get pinched. Or try a slightly slanted cut/or mini climbing wedge. Great work, Cheers!
@jodypaul1950 Thank you for sharing your thoughts! It really does help my think about my methods and whether they are the best practice or not. I have maxed the GRCS out before. Thankfuly nothing that couldn't be finished with a hard-working man on the crank though 😅 I definitely have pinched the saw under some big wood, too. I've also over pretensioned pieces and had them leap off of the stub, which doesn't sound terrible, but it does negate the interest in keeping loads from being too dynamic. I have a video where we took some 1,700lb chunks, and there wasn't a lot of room for extra force on things.
Those little holes in the bark are from what are called sap suckers. It’s a bird that finds its food and pokes its beak into the bark finding it forming a damn near close to perfect line of holes. From what I was told.
Thanks Matt, all the credit is due to my friend, Bo, who was running the ropes. It was his job and he hired me to help for a couple days. He runs a tight ship and does quality work for sure. I always enjoy working with him.
Thanks Matt, all the credit is due to my friend, Bo, who was running the ropes. It was his job and he hired me to help for a couple days. He runs a tight ship and does quality work for sure. I always enjoy working with him.
It's nice to see you have your life line separate from the rigging line pulling you up in the beginning. One guy I worked for used to have a ground guy in a pickup truck pull him into the tree with no life line. Then he'd tie in once he got up there. When they talk about how dangerous this job is, half of it are people with thoughts like that.
Wow, sounds like there are a number of things that could go wrong with that 😳 based in videos I've seen and my own experiences, I've determined that I never want to be in a tree without a climbing specific system with a captive/cinched anchor point somewhere. There just doesn't seem to be any amount of time saving that makes skipping that worth it to me.
@@ryanarborist yea grew up with guys like that .kinda Mads get out of production. I work for myself now and can't stand rushing or ignorance..especially in tree work .but applies to all fields with risk.what scares me most in 2023 is GOD AND these people driving. I drive all over I have Commercial landscaping mowing? +tree service. Long story but trying phase back into full time tree service as I was before and do all winter it's buisy est time of year fir me.summer it's just so hot down here .but I see the most dangerous people on earth daily driving the roads. They shouldn't be allowed any where near a vehicle..the guys riding motorcycle s all over mountains here as well. Last year seen at least 3 of them a day accidents. That's scary..trees are more of calculated risk .no way would ride a motorcycle like I used to on these streets.
Watching that limb come down and snag in the lower branches made me think that one needs a well rounded skill set to get out of trouble. Not everything happens exactly according to plan, and an ability to extract yourself from difficulty is key. It would have been interesting to see how you would have to manage if it got truly stuck half way down.
That's certainly true. I imagine it's a trial by fire kind of thing in general. Whenever we use the GRCS, we always have the option of wrapping the rope back up on the winch drum and lifting a piece if we let it down too far in a bad way. When we don't have it on the winch, cutting stuff off is about the only option I know of.
I wish buddy you would have recorded this job from start to finish out of love to watch it still excites me man and I've been doing it for so long it's crazy just learning s*** from other people still after all these years
Haha, that's awesome! It takes a level of humility to continue to learn in an industry where you have been working for a long time. I'm sorry I didn't film the whole thing. Most of it was just the chipper roaring away and it would have made poor footage 😔
Thats sweet! I'm suprised you don't already have one. If you're looking to get a drill too, I've had good success with the Makita 36v angle drill. As I recall it's geared a little lower than the milwaukee hole hawg. Also if you're aiming to rig big, the visor plate becomes a necessary to preserve the rubber pads on the back of the unit.
those horizontal holes are from a small bird called a yellow bellied sapsucker..i get asked alot about them being in the pest control business by customers all the time..
We call that folding umbrella limbing. Then you chunk off the bottom as it is lowered. Great tight space method. Also usually use a tag line on the bottom to keep it from swinging and pull it into the trunk.
Ha! Thats a great name for it. I definitely should have put a tag like on it before we cut it. I'm sure you know, but I'll add for anyone watching that you just gotta be careful when cutting chunks off of the bottom. There will be a point where the limb will try to flip.
My guy!! First off loved the video. Second off you just liked my instagram post and i've never fangirled so hard😅. Needless to say you're one of my favorites on youtube keeo up the great work and stay safe brother!
My man, that was some excellent work, and great articulation and explanation. But, I gotta ask, what did you think was gonna happen when you did the tip tie with the rope essentially horizontal up top. I guess you figured it out, lol. Keep up the good work. Nice to see someone thinking this stuff through. You'll make a lot of customers happy I'm sure. JS, Certified Arborist
Thanks! Maybe I don't quite understand you question there. It did exactly what we wanted it to do. It was a little tight and so we struggled to get the butt out, but it worked better once we got the hang of things and move on to the next limbs.
@houndsong That's awesome! I have a customer like that up in Minnesota. I did the same thing kind of. I started a business with no formal training 😅 in hindsight it was a poor idea, but I was too excited to climb trees to see it in the moment.
Pretty sure those horizontal holes at around 3 minutes in are sapsucker damage. I've had an experience where a branch with such damage that i was rigging off of broke after being loaded a few times. Something to be aware of when a rigging point is above those holes, even if it's a pretty stout branch...
Thanks Eric! I've certainly learned some hard lessons with risk taking. Something I often do to minimize risk of failure is to work up to bugger thing with smaller ones. It gives everyone a little practice and also give me an opportunity to see how things go. Once something is hanging on the GRCS, a good groundie can kind of get and ides of how much capacity it has.
All in all good work..That was a big tree... Hey so I was thinking may be good to just treat this scenario as a crane pic and see the cut through. While you communicate with gcrs. I feel that would take alot of unnecessary force out of the equation.. Do you kind of see what I mean?
@Eric Lopez I might understand what you're saying. The hinge is super important to keep the butt on the cut while the GRCS stands the piece up. That's the only reason I don't cut it all the way off at the beginning. If thay butt falls off of the cut early, the whole thing gets dropped onto the rigging system and that's more dynamic loading that I'd prefer to see 😬😅
Thanks, Don! I'm sure you're plenty familiar with the principles of what went on here. I'm quote interest to see the same thing applied with a crane some day.
Absolutely, they're nice on big jobs, but there are ways to do the same thing on smaller jobs. Stay safe out there, I think we got a taste of your weather here recently and it's pretty intense!
@@zaccheus Yes there is many ways to skin a cat... Haha! Tree work especially climbing is a bit different in winter time indeed! Feet and fingers are the worst to keep warm in climbing...coldest i been climbing was -27degrees celsius, now its only -10 at this time. december is been snowing maybe 60cm in total but there was couple days of little +degrees and snow compressed down a bit...
@Servicestar Wow that is mighty cold! I've never been up in a tree in much colder than -15°C and I really don't think I want to. It very rarely stays below -20°C around here and tree work mostly stops for the few weeks a year that it's that cold. It's just too hard to be productive when everything is that frozen 😅
Pretty much just like when you're tip time something you want the butt to come down and if it stays straight up and down man that grcs is awesome I seen the tension it put on that limb right away unbelievable
I'm just a novice and self taught, so I appreciate any feedback on this: when I was watching that 50 ft branch, after the GRCS stood it up, it looked like about 6ft of rope at I'm guessing a 70-degree angle. Therefore, I'd EXPECT a 6 ft+ dynamic loading situation... "+" because or rope stretch on a heavy branch. instead, the branch dropped ONLY 2-3 ft toward you. I can't figure out why. same question from a different direction is why you said you expected it to be fairly static loading. thanks a million
Excellent question, Rory! This rig was less than perfect for a variety of reasons, but I think what you're describing had a few factors that primarily contributed to it working out the way it did. The biggest one is the brush engagement at the top. The brush on the rigged limb was pushing on the tree top and preventing us from getting it to stand up straight and also preventing gravity from letting it hang plumb once it was cut. If we could have gotten it to stand up straight it would have had even less drop. I described the rig as static in a manner of relativity to traditional dynamic rigging where we drop or swing pieces into the rope. It certainly wasn't perfectly static because it still moved around a bunch when I finished the cut. We want to try and make big GRCS rigs like that as static as possible becaise there is no way to let a branch run and soften the shock (or dynamic) loading when the GRCS is in its lifting configuration. Does that makes sense and answer your question?
i appreciate the response. perhaps the best answer is that I haven't ever used a GRCS, which apparently can put an literal ton of tension into the rope. I've tip tied into nearly vertical stems like that using a standard port a wrap and a strong groundie, and on branches half that size had them drop 10 feet due to rope stretch. on an upright maple I was working I was spending half my time getting myself positioned behind the trunk and cutting with my silky because those branches were coming down like missiles. again, appreciate the feedback. I'll need to spend the $3k on the GRCS
@Rory McVay Haha, no problem! It is an amazing device amd I pretty much get it out anytime I have an opportunity to tip tie anything. I can do so much more just because I can pretension the rope and nearly eliminate shock loading. I believe the GRCS is the best lifting unit it out there, but there are other, more cost effective devices out there that do similar things. The hobbs is probably the most popular.
I have an idea on the markings you asked about in the bark or the tree.....from my own experience, wondering if the marks have anything to do with the tree having some kind of item tied around it for a long period of time as it was growing, even when it was very young? Maybe something was tied up around the tree to support something else for a long time? Wonder about barbed wire around or next to tree at some point in it's younger days?
That's a good thought! However tree only add to their hight by growing vertically at the branch tips. So if someone else made a scar by tying something around near the bottom of the tree, the scar would always be at the bottom of the tree. Thabks for sharing your thoughts!
I was thinking about the marks (in the center main portion of the tree) that I have higher up in a smaller tree than the one you are working on (and also marks from past trees) that I planted in 2018 that has grown up and much wider but a tree that I was constantly tying cables around different areas and branches of the tree to support it in strong winds and also to direct and redirect it's growth in or away from certain directions...(and sadly some of the ties I forgot about and discovered later when I got a ladder out and started trimming higher branches but for some reason the areas where I first made the ties that I forgot about, grew up higher than when I first tied them at a lower level, which per your information does not make sense, that the tie area ended up going up with the tree as it grew up? I don't know, it just does not make sense, what you say, in a way....I mean at some point a tree starts out shorter and grows taller....so just saying maybe at some point in far long ago history, that area with the marks was not so high up in the sky and maybe it was used to hold or support something with some weird kind of something??? wire or metal or ??? I was not completely clear on everything, sorry....but I meant to say I also had used barbed wire in the past on trees (because that was all I had available that was strong enough and I didn't have money for proper cables)....but sometimes if the wire was on for a length of time and then taken off (if the tree did not grow around the wire if left on too long) there would eventually be marks with time where the wire was originally placed. My other though was some kind of wide metal band with a pattern or holes was placed around the tree that left marks? Maybe just stupid ideas....but ideas anyway. One idea might lead to another and maybe a better one???
@slc6900 Anything is possible, I suppose. I have not been around long enough to have observed the entire life cycle of larger trees. Literature on the matter suggests that trees grow longer and taller only at the branch tips. Then those branches can only get bigger around with the addition of annular rings every year. So if a tree has a branch that is 5 feet off of the ground, that branch will always be 5 feet of of the ground. However, if the tree is 3 feet in diameter at chest height one year, it might be 3ft 1 inch in diameter at chest height the next year.
It's an abnormal growth a lot of oaks have it I've seen over the years called gallls. But it really doesn't hurt the tree. Great work though buddy as always nice Rigging I would love to have a grcs maybe one day
I got it on black Friday from my local dealer here. It's a nice unit for sure, but it has a few things about it that leave me liking my Akimbo a little more. It's definitely cheaper to rebuild though. That's why I got it.
@@zaccheus what you like about the akimbo more? And I wonder if it’s some of the things that they switched in the pro. I do like how small the akimbo is tho. I used one before and idk it had its things that were cool but this one kinda sketched me out lol
@Opie Taylor Seems like a lot of people have had a hard time getting the akimbo adjusted for their rope and weight and such. I really like its compactness, lack of sit back and the simple fact that there will almost never be anything easier to put on the middle of the rope. With mine adjusted the way I like and feel safe on, it does have a little drag when sliding up rope and that's not my favorite, but it's a small price to pay in my mind. The RRP does seem like an improvement over the RR in a few ways, but I don't like the spring failure issue much and I'm no longer interested in giving money to Notch.
Would it have been more efficient to fold it out in 2 pieces rather than crank/drill in 1? I love the drill on my GRCS but not sure that’s the best use case.
Yeah, there is a chance it would have been faster if we had flipped the tip out and then reeled in the lower piece. We just didn't have room to do that with the primary lines there. Once we got things opened up a little more, it went much smoother.
How do you decide the thickness of the rope, i was thinking 2 kits with required friction device for each 16mm for branches and smaller trees and 20mm for trunk rigging big trees
In short, I do my best to match SWL with the loads I need to rig. I have a smaller half inch (13mm) setup that I used for most stuff, and then when I get into bigger stuff like this I use a 5/8" (16mm) rope. I've never really needed anything bigger and I've never broken a rope. My current 5/8" rope has a tensile strength of 19,500lb and a SWL of 1,950lb
Thank you so much for replying, love your channel. Ah i see really interesting and h3lpful to know what you use. so I have a 16mm kit I've bought but if it's heavy rope I'm sure I can put a 12 or 14mm rope through the system if it's easier at least i can go up if needed. In my area we have a lot of pine, oak and redwood etc so I wanted to get a 20mm system block and friction device for negative rigging/blocking down for big diameter trees to be on the safe side.
@@zaccheusI have a technical guide for rigg8ng so I understand the load limit and SWL on kit and rigging, what the weight of the species will be x10 for negative rigging my 20mm system should withstand 30,000kg. Is is fine if I'm going to block down/negative rig 10,000kg-16,000kg?
@boomtaylor8297 Sure thing! There are 101 ways to take a tree down, the most important thing is that you do your best to stay within SWL and manufacturer intended use. I'm not a real big fell so I prefer to use smaller equipment whenever I can and just double block the rare occasions I have really big wood to get down. If you're not familiar with that technique, I have a video here: ruclips.net/video/_5b9JjbX0G4/видео.html
@boomtaylor8297 I'm not sure I really understand what exactly you're asking with those numbers, but if I am rigging wood in a scenario where big numbers matter, I try to calculated the approximate weight of the wood based on species. I aim to not exceed more than 10% of the rope's tensile strength. A lot depends on how good your ground guy is at catching pieces gently.
Just a 3/4 block and sling up top, I think we used another one to redirect the rope on its way down to the GRCS. It's 5/8 stable braid, which has a tensile strength of 16,300, and limb weight was well under 2k maybe close to 1,500 lb, but not really sure of an exact figure. Brush is hard to guess and very inconsistent throughout the seasons.
Probably late to the show here but those holes are due to sapsucker damage. If they're in concentric rings it's sapsuckers, if not, probably a borer of some sort.
Okay cool, thanks! Thays mighty interesting. I've never heard of that before. I run my hero 7 black on 1440 and 24fps and I think those are the only settings I changed when it came out of the box
Yeah, but instead of the butt dropping off of the cut, we use the GRCS to stand the limb up and take the weight off of the cut so there is little to no dynamic loading
It's a harken capstan winch that's it sold with some specific bracketry for mounting it to trees and using it as a friction brake for tree work. It's also what we used to lift the limbs up in the tree. Goes by the name "GRCS" if you want to research and learn more about it.
You think Buddy if you would have cut the knob off you would have had to easier time pushing it out it looked like that knob was blocking it where you made your notch just curious awesome work though man beautiful f****** rigging love it
You know, that thought went through my mind. I think that definitely would have made it easier, but I just didn't feel great about cutting in there knowing that my cut would release something that would swing around in a way I couldn't predict. I certainly remember wishing that know wasn't there though 😅 Thanks! Definitely could not have done it without a good team below.
Hahaa, I don't really have a good method. It's pretty much just start small and keep going bigger until you don't think you can go any bigger 😅 it really helps to have a good ground guy who has a feel for how much of the GRCS capacity is being used. For logs we measure and then use a green log weight chart.
@@zaccheus I understand. Thanks for your response and just want to compliment your style of working and videos. For me it is very helpful to watch how other people are working.
Hey bud, I have always carried a green log weight chart in my truck. The species of tree plus its diameter, it’ll give you an idea of what a 12” piece of wood weighs. You just figure it out from there. Really nice on crane jobs too
Zacheas 1st half minute of watching this... preacher on my TV is Talking about a Sycamore tree climber ... Onw of my lifelong favorites... Zacheus is a great example of believer... showing true repentance!😅
Hahaa, thays awesome! It is an amazing example of so many things. One of the most huming things I take away from that story everytime I hear it is how much God loves every single person, no matter what their background is.
You're spot on! I like it a lot. It's nice and light and doesn't have a ton of massive padding to hold heat in. I do think I might get some suspenders, but I love it all around.
Cool man. I really rate mine too so far. Occasionally I find the lower ‘Ds’ a bit small but that’s my only criticism. Keep the great content coming. Merry Christmas 🎄
Before the big branch was cut loose 10:33 I would have fixed it with a rope to the main trunk to prevent it from swinging around. You sure had a Oh! moment there.
Fair thought! I don't love the idea of spending a bunch of time around the butt while it's secured by an unknown amount of compromised wood fibers, but it would have eliminated that moment of suprise
@jack croucher It's fairly big for our area. We might have been able to get it on the ground in one long day in the summer. I'm sure it would have been an easy one day tree with a big crane and a bug chipper. A lot of the time it took depended on how fast the stuff could be dealt with on the ground. And being from AUS, you might find it mire handy to know that the felling cut was 122cm
Yes, absolutely. We were pulling these leads away from some primary lines and so taking smaller pieces would have meant 4 or 5 pieces rather than two unfortunately. On the bright side though, many of the following rigs went much smoother as we opened uo more canopy space and had less tip entanglement. Thanks!
@@jeffprice8595 lol, good eye! Yeah, I learned a lot from it. I love doing experiments and stuff like that. If you ever have any ideas, throw them in the comments. I'm always looking for new things to try.
At 12:45 the guy in blue is near the branch that gets lowered, and has to look upwards. I would go further away, for safety and for a more convenient viewing angle.
Good thought! I often struggle to convince groundies to stand far enough away. It was really wet out that day and I suspect he was on the sidewalk for sure footing. However, it looks like the driveway might have worked too.
Hahah that still happens every now and then! Thankfully I haven't done it bad this season I don't think. But now that I mentioned that I'll probably spike it at work tomorrow 😂
@williammccarty867 haha I don't actually believe the world works like that, so I'm sure it'll be fine 😅 Thats awesome man! Hope you have fun and stay safe!
Ah, that can be true sometimes. This one didn't go super smooth, but most of them were real nice and we were able to stick big pieces in the chipper without a bunch of labor on the ground.
Great job but It seems to me, you spend more time in gettin the big one Out and down instead of takin it down in three pieces ... Take Care ...Go big or Go Home 💯
Possibly. This particular one wasn't super smooth. We had a lot of other rigs thay day that were a lot better. We got the whole tree done in 2 days. I don't think we would have done that if we had pieced it out in smaller pieces.
@@zaccheus that’a awesome, also I used to work in canton and I shop at Endor’s every now and again. Scott is a great guy. I watched your video before I saw that’s where you’re from! Stay safe I’ll have to pick your brain about contract climbing. I’ve been in business for a little over a year now. I’m located in lake Milton Ohio!
@Gauur Absolutely, Scott and Maria are great folks. I'm always happy to spend money there 😅 Feel free to ask any questions to have. My email address is on my channel page if you wanna send me an email.
@Dr.H They are super nice folks. I hang out down there occasionally on bad weather days 😅 I've most certainly heard of BTS. I've dumped chips at the yard a couple of times. I used to run a small single crew service out of Copley and we would see their trucks almost every morning on our way out. Do you work there?
@@zaccheus I worked there for 5 years started on the ground then learned to climb. I don’t do tree work full time but stay busy just about every weekend with side work. I just came across your video researching some gear and heard the Endors shoutout. Small world!
Tag line should have been put above the cut originally to keep it from swinging back at you ( I know watching the video makes it easier to make these judgements as I’m not in the tree )
Or We could have cut above that notch 5 inches with a downward 45° or greater slash and she would have slipped off the front.😜 Possibly knocking the chain off the bar...so use a little beaver cut 😂
Two days for that tree...well done. What was the DBH? I have to say it. Shame on the homeowner for taking that tree down if it had no serious issues. Can't really tell but those two leaders could have just been cabled if that was a bad bark inclusion union. I make it a point to do al I can to talk myself out of a job for the sake of a perfectly fine tree, especially oaks. They are so important to the ecosystem. I'll abide the peoples wishes but not before I give my opinion and facts. Seeing this come down hurt my heart. Ask Santa to bring you a HUSQVARNA T540i XP. You'll love it.
Haha, it was 48" exactly at the felling cut. I think the homeowner was concerned about foundation damage. I did not sell the job, I was just there on contract, but I'm totally with you on the matter of saving nice trees. This one was the right distance from the powerlines that it didn't have to be hacked to maintain clearance and it really had nice structure over all. These pin oak trees are fast grower around here. This one was on 60ish years old and I've cut down others in the 42" DBH range that were 35 years old. So in that regard, atleast we were losing and old growth white oak or anything. Haha, the fella I was working for actually has one. He's let me use it before. They are nice, but I just can't give up on my perfectly functional 201 for a $1,350 replacement. I think that's what they cost not with a charger and two batteries. They'll have my attention a little more when they can make them lighter.
Haha, I have some scars too 😅 I actually have been trying to be more careful with that this year. I nailed a finger tip early in the trim season and that's kept me mindful.
@@zaccheus too much weight moving Lol. I’ll tip tie in my tie in in 70 degrees or gonna b AWAY. Tight corners I’ll go smaller lol but I see why u did it.
@@zaccheus There are bugs in green trees too. They also eat sap and bugs that get trapped in the sap. They use more dead trees, especially the ones where the heartwood is rotten, for nesting. I really like your work by the way.
Haha no, but that is where the name came from. I climbed trees for fun as a kid amd then I learned that ylu cpukd make money doing it. When came time to start a proper business, my wife suggested the name and I thought it was great so we went with it.
Oh my god ...so dangerous not great idea ..was better from the top ...too much time and forces involved ...not a great job in my opinion ..you are lucky ...
Haha, we didn't exceed any SWL ratings and we certain weren't any where close to risking a rigging point failure. Lowering definitely could have been smoother and it went much smoother with other parts of the tree. How would you have done it?
You definitely have something I don’t have. Proper articulation. When you work alone as long as I have you forget how to communicate. Well done. Another great video.
Thanks Geoffrey! I prefer working alone occasionally too. I'd say a mix of both is probably good for me
Thinking out loud is a crazy good skill.
@@peacemaker54 I do that a lot but I’m the only one that hears and understands.😂
Hi, George here, I had a limb from a big pin oak that had cracked and come to rest on the ridge of my friends house. This limb was about fifty feet long and started out about 18" in diameter. It was almost horizontal and about 25 feet off the ground. The break was not quite complete and could fail at any time. Working alone, I rigged this in suspension from two other huge trees nearby and from the next huge limb on this old plantation age tree. The base of the trunk was an oval seven feet wide, co-dominant trunks. I managed to eventually lift the weight from the house and cut this monster free from the broken end. Man what an exhausting day. Hot weather too. I came down after multiple ascents and lowered the limb, cutting it to size as it came near the ground. While I was working on the other dead oaks that threatened to hit her house, a copperhead snake struck my right leg above my logging boot. I wear Pfanner Gladiator chainsaw pants and the snake could not get through to my flesh. I stomped it to grease with my logging boot. dont bring your little fangs to a boot fight. Once I had bucked all the firewood over the next few days I returned to the cabin I stay at up in the mountains of North Carolina and enjoyed a really bad case of poison ivy/oak. Oh, and I got stung my hornets on that job. Main thing is, my friends house is safe again... : )
Haha, wow! You sound like a top of the line friend! That sounds like a crazy job to tackle alone. I'm you the sounds of it, I think I certainly would have declined the job without another helper or something! Good work George! Glad to survived all the tribulations that came with the job. Keep uo the good work!
@@zaccheus Thank you. This friend of mine has had a rough go of it. I always try to help when she needs it. Her house was flooded twice, this last time she had seven feet of hurricane floodwater in her house for two weeks before it went down. That is what killed the oaks around the house. I am a benevolent man. I do not usually have help in her area. I do not know who I would ask. she has very little money. So thank you for your kind words too. Right on, George.
@@zaccheus what sucks is that as I was belaying back to the ground, my climbing line rubbed against the edge of her tin roof metal and got cut and I had to make two rigging lines out of my beautiful teufleberger line. I kind of flinch each time I use them. Oh well, they are great for rigging now.
@Trimbaker haha, that the kid of stuff that happens to the best of us. Atleast they still have a use!
@@zaccheus yep, they have to be less than four feet to start looking like sling materials....
Just a couple tips when using this method. Don’t use a face cut, just use a back cut, and cut towards the pulley. This will give you more control and the piece won’t prematurely pop off before you or the ground guys are ready. Also try and leave you’re last bit of holding wood, or fibers on the side you want the piece to pop off and drop (opposite of you). This way it won’t get hung up like it did for you. Lastly you can also use a tag on the butt so the ground guys can guide it down, and also act as a brake so it doesn’t pop off towards you (I think you mentioned this in the video after it got hung up). All in all great job. I don’t see a lot of guys using the stand up method but I love it, especially for right drop zones, or large sections overhanging structures.
Thanks for sharing. I'll peel them out occasionally, but I often prefer the face cut because it offers a little more directional control. You can also get the piece to break off with less force if you get your face cut angles right. It's also a little less likely to fail when the branch gets closer to vertical and all of the limb weight is sitting on the butt of the limb.
@@zaccheus as long as you have enough pulling power (which you do with the GRCS) the wood or branch should have no problem going towards the pulley regardless of a face cut. But fair enough every climber has preferences that work better for them. I’m not sure if it was on this video or another but I noticed you were having issues getting your saw pinched on some bigger pieces of wood when it was directly below the pulley. If you put a good bit of pre tension prior to the cut the saw shouldn’t get pinched. Or try a slightly slanted cut/or mini climbing wedge. Great work, Cheers!
@jodypaul1950 Thank you for sharing your thoughts! It really does help my think about my methods and whether they are the best practice or not. I have maxed the GRCS out before. Thankfuly nothing that couldn't be finished with a hard-working man on the crank though 😅 I definitely have pinched the saw under some big wood, too. I've also over pretensioned pieces and had them leap off of the stub, which doesn't sound terrible, but it does negate the interest in keeping loads from being too dynamic. I have a video where we took some 1,700lb chunks, and there wasn't a lot of room for extra force on things.
Great job buddy. 36 yrs. in the business and that was the prettiest release of a giant I've ever seen. 👏👏👏 ✌😎❤🙏🌲🌴🌳
Thanks, man! That's mighty encouraging to hear from some who's been around!
Those little holes in the bark are from what are called sap suckers. It’s a bird that finds its food and pokes its beak into the bark finding it forming a damn near close to perfect line of holes. From what I was told.
I gotcha, thanks for sharing!
I think those holes you referenced are made by the zaccheus bird. It walks up and down tree limbs with sharp pointed spurs on it's feet.
Good teamwork and a tidy job site go a long way with word of mouth business. Glad you got this one uploaded.
Thanks Matt, all the credit is due to my friend, Bo, who was running the ropes. It was his job and he hired me to help for a couple days. He runs a tight ship and does quality work for sure. I always enjoy working with him.
Thanks Matt, all the credit is due to my friend, Bo, who was running the ropes. It was his job and he hired me to help for a couple days. He runs a tight ship and does quality work for sure. I always enjoy working with him.
It's nice to see you have your life line separate from the rigging line pulling you up in the beginning. One guy I worked for used to have a ground guy in a pickup truck pull him into the tree with no life line. Then he'd tie in once he got up there. When they talk about how dangerous this job is, half of it are people with thoughts like that.
Wow, sounds like there are a number of things that could go wrong with that 😳 based in videos I've seen and my own experiences, I've determined that I never want to be in a tree without a climbing specific system with a captive/cinched anchor point somewhere. There just doesn't seem to be any amount of time saving that makes skipping that worth it to me.
@@zaccheus my favorite response when I told him no was "I do it all the time!" No amount of explanation can stop that thought process.
@Ryan J.S. Ah yes, that is a logical fallacy of some kind, I'm sure. It's works until it doesn't 😬
@@ryanarborist yea grew up with guys like that .kinda Mads get out of production. I work for myself now and can't stand rushing or ignorance..especially in tree work .but applies to all fields with risk.what scares me most in 2023 is GOD AND these people driving. I drive all over I have Commercial landscaping mowing? +tree service. Long story but trying phase back into full time tree service as I was before and do all winter it's buisy est time of year fir me.summer it's just so hot down here .but I see the most dangerous people on earth daily driving the roads. They shouldn't be allowed any where near a vehicle..the guys riding motorcycle s all over mountains here as well. Last year seen at least 3 of them a day accidents. That's scary..trees are more of calculated risk .no way would ride a motorcycle like I used to on these streets.
Nice work, slick device. Thank you!
Thanks!
Watching that limb come down and snag in the lower branches made me think that one needs a well rounded skill set to get out of trouble. Not everything happens exactly according to plan, and an ability to extract yourself from difficulty is key. It would have been interesting to see how you would have to manage if it got truly stuck half way down.
That's certainly true. I imagine it's a trial by fire kind of thing in general. Whenever we use the GRCS, we always have the option of wrapping the rope back up on the winch drum and lifting a piece if we let it down too far in a bad way. When we don't have it on the winch, cutting stuff off is about the only option I know of.
Great video! Love ones like this.
Thanks! Glad to hear it!
I wish buddy you would have recorded this job from start to finish out of love to watch it still excites me man and I've been doing it for so long it's crazy just learning s*** from other people still after all these years
Haha, that's awesome! It takes a level of humility to continue to learn in an industry where you have been working for a long time. I'm sorry I didn't film the whole thing. Most of it was just the chipper roaring away and it would have made poor footage 😔
@@zaccheus yeah it's okay buddy I would love to sing the whole removal especially with that grcs God bless stay safe buddy see you on the next one
@@br-dj2ti ill keep that in mind for the next big tree!
@@zaccheus thanks buddy
Nice job. I'm in the market for a GRCS at the moment, been watching lots of videos........, ✌️. - Patrick
Thats sweet! I'm suprised you don't already have one. If you're looking to get a drill too, I've had good success with the Makita 36v angle drill. As I recall it's geared a little lower than the milwaukee hole hawg. Also if you're aiming to rig big, the visor plate becomes a necessary to preserve the rubber pads on the back of the unit.
Nice, that's a perfect tree for the GRCS!
Absolutely! It was the star of the show for sure
those horizontal holes are from a small bird called a yellow bellied sapsucker..i get asked alot about them being in the pest control business by customers all the time..
Super cool, thanks for sharing!
I've been seeing them for years always assumed it was woodpeckers
We call that folding umbrella limbing. Then you chunk off the bottom as it is lowered. Great tight space method. Also usually use a tag line on the bottom to keep it from swinging and pull it into the trunk.
Ha! Thats a great name for it. I definitely should have put a tag like on it before we cut it. I'm sure you know, but I'll add for anyone watching that you just gotta be careful when cutting chunks off of the bottom. There will be a point where the limb will try to flip.
Awesome job brother
Thanks Todd!
Greatjob!❤
Thanks Charles!
My guy!! First off loved the video.
Second off you just liked my instagram post and i've never fangirled so hard😅.
Needless to say you're one of my favorites on youtube keeo up the great work and stay safe brother!
Hahaha! That's awesome 😂 thanks man, I'll do my best! Keep yourself safe out there too!
My man, that was some excellent work, and great articulation and explanation. But, I gotta ask, what did you think was gonna happen when you did the tip tie with the rope essentially horizontal up top. I guess you figured it out, lol. Keep up the good work. Nice to see someone thinking this stuff through. You'll make a lot of customers happy I'm sure.
JS, Certified Arborist
Thanks! Maybe I don't quite understand you question there. It did exactly what we wanted it to do. It was a little tight and so we struggled to get the butt out, but it worked better once we got the hang of things and move on to the next limbs.
really inspiring use of the GRCS.
Thanks! It's an expensive tool, but a real sweet one once you have it.
I like how you're wearing the silky holster on the shin. Smart idea.
Thanks man! It works good for me, but not everyone loves it 🤷♂️
@zaccheus I learned to climb to do my own suburban tree work during the lockdowns. Leaned on RUclips arborists and books for mentors
@houndsong That's awesome! I have a customer like that up in Minnesota. I did the same thing kind of. I started a business with no formal training 😅 in hindsight it was a poor idea, but I was too excited to climb trees to see it in the moment.
Pretty sure those horizontal holes at around 3 minutes in are sapsucker damage. I've had an experience where a branch with such damage that i was rigging off of broke after being loaded a few times. Something to be aware of when a rigging point is above those holes, even if it's a pretty stout branch...
Oh wow, that is super interesting. Thank you for sharing
Definitely sap suckers
Never really had the mentality of risk it for the biscuit. Lol. Good work. Wouldn't of been doable without GCRS and comms. Good use of tools. 🤙
Thanks Eric! I've certainly learned some hard lessons with risk taking. Something I often do to minimize risk of failure is to work up to bugger thing with smaller ones. It gives everyone a little practice and also give me an opportunity to see how things go. Once something is hanging on the GRCS, a good groundie can kind of get and ides of how much capacity it has.
All in all good work..That was a big tree... Hey so I was thinking may be good to just treat this scenario as a crane pic and see the cut through. While you communicate with gcrs. I feel that would take alot of unnecessary force out of the equation.. Do you kind of see what I mean?
@Eric Lopez I might understand what you're saying. The hinge is super important to keep the butt on the cut while the GRCS stands the piece up. That's the only reason I don't cut it all the way off at the beginning. If thay butt falls off of the cut early, the whole thing gets dropped onto the rigging system and that's more dynamic loading that I'd prefer to see 😬😅
Great video.
Thanks, Don! I'm sure you're plenty familiar with the principles of what went on here. I'm quote interest to see the same thing applied with a crane some day.
Nice work
Thank you, Bill!
Nice work! Would be nice to have GRCS sometimes...Greetings from a climber in cold and snowy Finland!
Absolutely, they're nice on big jobs, but there are ways to do the same thing on smaller jobs. Stay safe out there, I think we got a taste of your weather here recently and it's pretty intense!
@@zaccheus Yes there is many ways to skin a cat... Haha! Tree work especially climbing is a bit different in winter time indeed! Feet and fingers are the worst to keep warm in climbing...coldest i been climbing was -27degrees celsius, now its only -10 at this time. december is been snowing maybe 60cm in total but there was couple days of little +degrees and snow compressed down a bit...
a good thing in winter is that there is no bugs,ants or bees stinging you!! 😂
@Servicestar Wow that is mighty cold! I've never been up in a tree in much colder than -15°C and I really don't think I want to. It very rarely stays below -20°C around here and tree work mostly stops for the few weeks a year that it's that cold. It's just too hard to be productive when everything is that frozen 😅
Pretty much just like when you're tip time something you want the butt to come down and if it stays straight up and down man that grcs is awesome I seen the tension it put on that limb right away unbelievable
Yeah! That's pretty much the principle of it! Some folks do crane work that way too. I've never tried it but I've heard it's pretty fast!
I'm just a novice and self taught, so I appreciate any feedback on this:
when I was watching that 50 ft branch, after the GRCS stood it up, it looked like about 6ft of rope at I'm guessing a 70-degree angle. Therefore, I'd EXPECT a 6 ft+ dynamic loading situation... "+" because or rope stretch on a heavy branch.
instead, the branch dropped ONLY 2-3 ft toward you. I can't figure out why. same question from a different direction is why you said you expected it to be fairly static loading.
thanks a million
Excellent question, Rory! This rig was less than perfect for a variety of reasons, but I think what you're describing had a few factors that primarily contributed to it working out the way it did. The biggest one is the brush engagement at the top. The brush on the rigged limb was pushing on the tree top and preventing us from getting it to stand up straight and also preventing gravity from letting it hang plumb once it was cut. If we could have gotten it to stand up straight it would have had even less drop. I described the rig as static in a manner of relativity to traditional dynamic rigging where we drop or swing pieces into the rope. It certainly wasn't perfectly static because it still moved around a bunch when I finished the cut. We want to try and make big GRCS rigs like that as static as possible becaise there is no way to let a branch run and soften the shock (or dynamic) loading when the GRCS is in its lifting configuration. Does that makes sense and answer your question?
i appreciate the response.
perhaps the best answer is that I haven't ever used a GRCS, which apparently can put an literal ton of tension into the rope.
I've tip tied into nearly vertical stems like that using a standard port a wrap and a strong groundie, and on branches half that size had them drop 10 feet due to rope stretch. on an upright maple I was working I was spending half my time getting myself positioned behind the trunk and cutting with my silky because those branches were coming down like missiles.
again, appreciate the feedback. I'll need to spend the $3k on the GRCS
@Rory McVay Haha, no problem! It is an amazing device amd I pretty much get it out anytime I have an opportunity to tip tie anything. I can do so much more just because I can pretension the rope and nearly eliminate shock loading. I believe the GRCS is the best lifting unit it out there, but there are other, more cost effective devices out there that do similar things. The hobbs is probably the most popular.
I have an idea on the markings you asked about in the bark or the tree.....from my own experience, wondering if the marks have anything to do with the tree having some kind of item tied around it for a long period of time as it was growing, even when it was very young? Maybe something was tied up around the tree to support something else for a long time? Wonder about barbed wire around or next to tree at some point in it's younger days?
That's a good thought! However tree only add to their hight by growing vertically at the branch tips. So if someone else made a scar by tying something around near the bottom of the tree, the scar would always be at the bottom of the tree. Thabks for sharing your thoughts!
I was thinking about the marks (in the center main portion of the tree) that I have higher up in a smaller tree than the one you are working on (and also marks from past trees) that I planted in 2018 that has grown up and much wider but a tree that I was constantly tying cables around different areas and branches of the tree to support it in strong winds and also to direct and redirect it's growth in or away from certain directions...(and sadly some of the ties I forgot about and discovered later when I got a ladder out and started trimming higher branches but for some reason the areas where I first made the ties that I forgot about, grew up higher than when I first tied them at a lower level, which per your information does not make sense, that the tie area ended up going up with the tree as it grew up? I don't know, it just does not make sense, what you say, in a way....I mean at some point a tree starts out shorter and grows taller....so just saying maybe at some point in far long ago history, that area with the marks was not so high up in the sky and maybe it was used to hold or support something with some weird kind of something??? wire or metal or ??? I was not completely clear on everything, sorry....but I meant to say I also had used barbed wire in the past on trees (because that was all I had available that was strong enough and I didn't have money for proper cables)....but sometimes if the wire was on for a length of time and then taken off (if the tree did not grow around the wire if left on too long) there would eventually be marks with time where the wire was originally placed. My other though was some kind of wide metal band with a pattern or holes was placed around the tree that left marks? Maybe just stupid ideas....but ideas anyway. One idea might lead to another and maybe a better one???
@slc6900 Anything is possible, I suppose. I have not been around long enough to have observed the entire life cycle of larger trees. Literature on the matter suggests that trees grow longer and taller only at the branch tips. Then those branches can only get bigger around with the addition of annular rings every year. So if a tree has a branch that is 5 feet off of the ground, that branch will always be 5 feet of of the ground. However, if the tree is 3 feet in diameter at chest height one year, it might be 3ft 1 inch in diameter at chest height the next year.
It's an abnormal growth a lot of oaks have it I've seen over the years called gallls. But it really doesn't hurt the tree. Great work though buddy as always nice Rigging I would love to have a grcs maybe one day
Thanks Bill! They're expensive, but for big stuff like this, they make the money back pretty quick.
@@zaccheus oh I'm sure buddy man that thing's amazing one day I'll have one great work though buddy definitely you came so far man stay safe buddy
@b r Thanks Bill, that's might kind of you to say 😊
When you get the rope runner? You like it? I got the pro. I love it. Had it for over a year and it’s awesome.
I got it on black Friday from my local dealer here. It's a nice unit for sure, but it has a few things about it that leave me liking my Akimbo a little more. It's definitely cheaper to rebuild though. That's why I got it.
@@zaccheus what you like about the akimbo more? And I wonder if it’s some of the things that they switched in the pro. I do like how small the akimbo is tho. I used one before and idk it had its things that were cool but this one kinda sketched me out lol
@Opie Taylor Seems like a lot of people have had a hard time getting the akimbo adjusted for their rope and weight and such. I really like its compactness, lack of sit back and the simple fact that there will almost never be anything easier to put on the middle of the rope. With mine adjusted the way I like and feel safe on, it does have a little drag when sliding up rope and that's not my favorite, but it's a small price to pay in my mind. The RRP does seem like an improvement over the RR in a few ways, but I don't like the spring failure issue much and I'm no longer interested in giving money to Notch.
Would it have been more efficient to fold it out in 2 pieces rather than crank/drill in 1? I love the drill on my GRCS but not sure that’s the best use case.
Yeah, there is a chance it would have been faster if we had flipped the tip out and then reeled in the lower piece. We just didn't have room to do that with the primary lines there. Once we got things opened up a little more, it went much smoother.
It's hard to tell on camera but it either from small bugs burrowing in or they are water sores.
How do you decide the thickness of the rope, i was thinking 2 kits with required friction device for each 16mm for branches and smaller trees and 20mm for trunk rigging big trees
In short, I do my best to match SWL with the loads I need to rig. I have a smaller half inch (13mm) setup that I used for most stuff, and then when I get into bigger stuff like this I use a 5/8" (16mm) rope. I've never really needed anything bigger and I've never broken a rope. My current 5/8" rope has a tensile strength of 19,500lb and a SWL of 1,950lb
Thank you so much for replying, love your channel.
Ah i see really interesting and h3lpful to know what you use. so I have a 16mm kit I've bought but if it's heavy rope I'm sure I can put a 12 or 14mm rope through the system if it's easier at least i can go up if needed. In my area we have a lot of pine, oak and redwood etc so I wanted to get a 20mm system block and friction device for negative rigging/blocking down for big diameter trees to be on the safe side.
@@zaccheusI have a technical guide for rigg8ng so I understand the load limit and SWL on kit and rigging, what the weight of the species will be x10 for negative rigging my 20mm system should withstand 30,000kg. Is is fine if I'm going to block down/negative rig 10,000kg-16,000kg?
@boomtaylor8297 Sure thing!
There are 101 ways to take a tree down, the most important thing is that you do your best to stay within SWL and manufacturer intended use. I'm not a real big fell so I prefer to use smaller equipment whenever I can and just double block the rare occasions I have really big wood to get down. If you're not familiar with that technique, I have a video here: ruclips.net/video/_5b9JjbX0G4/видео.html
@boomtaylor8297 I'm not sure I really understand what exactly you're asking with those numbers, but if I am rigging wood in a scenario where big numbers matter, I try to calculated the approximate weight of the wood based on species. I aim to not exceed more than 10% of the rope's tensile strength. A lot depends on how good your ground guy is at catching pieces gently.
Sap sucker holes.
Woodpecker that drills holes into cambium layer. Waits for insects to come to the holes, then comes back & eats the bugs.
Ohhh, very interesting. That makes more sense now. I was quite perplexed at why a wood pecker would poke holes in green wood. Thanks for sharing!
What gear did you use to rig that what's your rope strength. How much do you think that big limb weighed
Just a 3/4 block and sling up top, I think we used another one to redirect the rope on its way down to the GRCS. It's 5/8 stable braid, which has a tensile strength of 16,300, and limb weight was well under 2k maybe close to 1,500 lb, but not really sure of an exact figure. Brush is hard to guess and very inconsistent throughout the seasons.
Probably late to the show here but those holes are due to sapsucker damage. If they're in concentric rings it's sapsuckers, if not, probably a borer of some sort.
Better late than never! That's for the input. Folks have thrown out a number of ideas, but the popular answer seems to be sap suckers!
Nice job
Thabks Rick!
Those holes are from sap sucker birds. Also what setting do you have your go pro video ING on. I have problems with mine not focusing where I look to
Okay cool, thanks!
Thays mighty interesting. I've never heard of that before. I run my hero 7 black on 1440 and 24fps and I think those are the only settings I changed when it came out of the box
@@zaccheus do you use super wide, wide, or linear
@Zaccheus the bradford pears here get heavily attacked by the birds and way up on pines I see where they hit the softer bark
@@evanweeks8492 I use wide most of the time. I don't think mine have a super wide option 🤔 I mostly set it and forget it 😅
@Evan Weeks mmm I think I've seen that too maybe, just never put a name to it
So Zach when you tie them limbs on with the grcs your initial is you want the butt to drop down correct when it comes back if that makes sense
Yeah, but instead of the butt dropping off of the cut, we use the GRCS to stand the limb up and take the weight off of the cut so there is little to no dynamic loading
@@zaccheus yeah I see that buddy that's pretty nice I really like that grcs
What rigging are you using to get up the tree so fast? What is it exactly called?
It's a harken capstan winch that's it sold with some specific bracketry for mounting it to trees and using it as a friction brake for tree work. It's also what we used to lift the limbs up in the tree. Goes by the name "GRCS" if you want to research and learn more about it.
@zaccheus Thank you.
Was that sap sucker damage on the bark?
Thats what many folks have suggested.
You think Buddy if you would have cut the knob off you would have had to easier time pushing it out it looked like that knob was blocking it where you made your notch just curious awesome work though man beautiful f****** rigging love it
You know, that thought went through my mind. I think that definitely would have made it easier, but I just didn't feel great about cutting in there knowing that my cut would release something that would swing around in a way I couldn't predict. I certainly remember wishing that know wasn't there though 😅
Thanks! Definitely could not have done it without a good team below.
What is your groundie using to tension the rigging rope?
We have a GRCS mounted to the bottom of the tree and he is using a makita 36v angle drill to power it
@@zaccheus thanks
couldn't quite see what you were pointing at, but were they holes from a sapsucker bird?
Yes, I now believe thats what those were, good eye!
Hey man, how do you go about estimating weights of branches like this ?
Hahaa, I don't really have a good method. It's pretty much just start small and keep going bigger until you don't think you can go any bigger 😅 it really helps to have a good ground guy who has a feel for how much of the GRCS capacity is being used. For logs we measure and then use a green log weight chart.
@@zaccheus I understand. Thanks for your response and just want to compliment your style of working and videos. For me it is very helpful to watch how other people are working.
@SH dj Thanks man, that's mighty kind of you. I'm glad it's useful content for you!
Hey bud, I have always carried a green log weight chart in my truck. The species of tree plus its diameter, it’ll give you an idea of what a 12” piece of wood weighs. You just figure it out from there. Really nice on crane jobs too
2:55 I believe that is from a sapsucker. They are a small species of woodpeckers.
Thanks!
High IQ stuff. Much respect!
Thanks man!
Zacheas 1st half minute of watching this... preacher on my TV is Talking about a Sycamore tree climber ... Onw of my lifelong favorites... Zacheus is a great example of believer... showing true repentance!😅
Hahaa, thays awesome! It is an amazing example of so many things. One of the most huming things I take away from that story everytime I hear it is how much God loves every single person, no matter what their background is.
I was told the little holes were insects. There mainly in poplar treed in our area
Well thays what I thought too, but many folks here are voting for it being sapsuckers which are a variety of wood pecker 🤷♂️
How ya finding the Tree Rex harness dude? I think that’s what you use I may be wrong
You're spot on! I like it a lot. It's nice and light and doesn't have a ton of massive padding to hold heat in. I do think I might get some suspenders, but I love it all around.
Cool man. I really rate mine too so far. Occasionally I find the lower ‘Ds’ a bit small but that’s my only criticism. Keep the great content coming. Merry Christmas 🎄
Love it
Thanks!
Good job .The little holes are from sapsuckers.
Thanks Steve!
3:00, first guess is Wood Pecker injuries, but the view in a video is not quite enough to tell.
Before the big branch was cut loose 10:33 I would have fixed it with a rope to the main trunk to prevent it from swinging around. You sure had a Oh! moment there.
Fair thought! I don't love the idea of spending a bunch of time around the butt while it's secured by an unknown amount of compromised wood fibers, but it would have eliminated that moment of suprise
Watching from Satsuma Florida nice job !
Thanks for watching!
How much ut cost job like that ?
1.2 mil
Curious to how long it took you to do that whole tree?
Two days on that bad boy. The felling cut was 48" across and every pieced of wood and brush came down on a rope
@@zaccheus yeah nice dude. Curious as I am from AUS, is that a big job or something that you can just cruise through over 2 days ?
@jack croucher It's fairly big for our area. We might have been able to get it on the ground in one long day in the summer. I'm sure it would have been an easy one day tree with a big crane and a bug chipper. A lot of the time it took depended on how fast the stuff could be dealt with on the ground. And being from AUS, you might find it mire handy to know that the felling cut was 122cm
I heard those dots were from woodpeckers what did you and beau hear ?
Bo said wood peckers and I thought someone told me they were some kind of beetle. But the wood pecker make more sense to me when I think about it.
They are lenticels for gaseous exchange
Possibly Sap Sucker? What region are you working in?
Akron Ohio. Lots of folks have mentioned the sap suckered so I'm imagining that's what it is.
13:00 should have been pulling the tag line the opposite direction maybe.
Wish I could’ve warned you about the but end coming back at you, also sometimes it’s more efficient to take it in two. Good job though
Yes, absolutely. We were pulling these leads away from some primary lines and so taking smaller pieces would have meant 4 or 5 pieces rather than two unfortunately. On the bright side though, many of the following rigs went much smoother as we opened uo more canopy space and had less tip entanglement. Thanks!
Is this the same tree you did your little experiment with rigging ring temps?
That's right! I was just more excited about the rigging ring video and got that one out first
Thought it looked familiar lol. That was definitely an interesting test
@@jeffprice8595 lol, good eye! Yeah, I learned a lot from it. I love doing experiments and stuff like that. If you ever have any ideas, throw them in the comments. I'm always looking for new things to try.
I’ve always been told they are where birds peck the tree for the sap to attract insects so they can eat them. My pap calls it sap suckers
I think you're right, a lot of folks have commented similar things.
Nice 😊 👌👌🤙🤠
Thanks Leonard!
@@zaccheus 🤠👌👌🤙👍
At 12:45 the guy in blue is near the branch that gets lowered, and has to look upwards. I would go further away, for safety and for a more convenient viewing angle.
Good thought! I often struggle to convince groundies to stand far enough away. It was really wet out that day and I suspect he was on the sidewalk for sure footing. However, it looks like the driveway might have worked too.
That was a proper sketchy manoeuvre at 10:35 minutes, you were lucky
Luck isn't real
woodpecker?
I believe thays correct. A lot of folks have commented suggesting a sap suckered which is a small wood pecker
It was just the weird angle but I totally thought you spiked your climb line for a second. Haha
Hahah that still happens every now and then! Thankfully I haven't done it bad this season I don't think. But now that I mentioned that I'll probably spike it at work tomorrow 😂
@@zaccheus haha I hope I didn't jynx you. Stay safe out there! I have some fun climbs for a side job next weekend that I'm stoked for.
@williammccarty867 haha I don't actually believe the world works like that, so I'm sure it'll be fine 😅
Thats awesome man! Hope you have fun and stay safe!
Is it nice to be working in a strong oak tree instead of the dead stuff I get you involved in? As always nice job Zach.
Hahah, I'm always happy to climb for you. I know you won't ask me to do anything crazy 😊 Thanks Jon, have a Merry Christmas!
It's from a bird pecking the tree, looking for bugs.
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Ini enak banget yah gak kelelahan naik nya😅
Those are woodpecker holes.
Thanks!
Wait, was there a stick coming down at one point?
Lol, are you making fun of me announcing every twig I threw down?
Bigger isn't always better, spent more time pissing around with that than anything else, climb higher cut smaller. Smoother operation.
Ah, that can be true sometimes. This one didn't go super smooth, but most of them were real nice and we were able to stick big pieces in the chipper without a bunch of labor on the ground.
Great job but It seems to me, you spend more time in gettin the big one Out and down instead of takin it down in three pieces ... Take Care ...Go big or Go Home 💯
Possibly. This particular one wasn't super smooth. We had a lot of other rigs thay day that were a lot better. We got the whole tree done in 2 days. I don't think we would have done that if we had pieced it out in smaller pieces.
Looks like woodpecker activity?
That been the popular opnion. Someone mentioned a sap suck wood oecker that makes holes and then come back to eat bugs attracted to the sap
Those holes you see is from a sapsucker bird. they poke holes to drink the sap
Cool thanks!
They are from Ohio I get all my stuff from there. The xrings are amazing
That's super cool! I definitely get everything I can from them too
This the life of arborist things don't go as planned.
You get it. The only reason they ever do go as planned is because you've had the experience to know what to expect.
What was your estimate on this beast?
I didn't estimate it, I'm only a contract climber.
@@zaccheus that’a awesome, also I used to work in canton and I shop at Endor’s every now and again. Scott is a great guy. I watched your video before I saw that’s where you’re from! Stay safe I’ll have to pick your brain about contract climbing. I’ve been in business for a little over a year now. I’m located in lake Milton Ohio!
@Gauur Absolutely, Scott and Maria are great folks. I'm always happy to spend money there 😅 Feel free to ask any questions to have. My email address is on my channel page if you wanna send me an email.
Endor’s!! You from OH bro?
Yessir! I'm about 25 minutes from them here in the Canton area
@@zaccheus nice bro! Scott and Maria are awesome. My family owns barberton tree if you’ve heard of them
@Dr.H They are super nice folks. I hang out down there occasionally on bad weather days 😅
I've most certainly heard of BTS. I've dumped chips at the yard a couple of times. I used to run a small single crew service out of Copley and we would see their trucks almost every morning on our way out. Do you work there?
@@zaccheus I worked there for 5 years started on the ground then learned to climb. I don’t do tree work full time but stay busy just about every weekend with side work. I just came across your video researching some gear and heard the Endors shoutout. Small world!
@Dr.H Haha, thats super cool man, thanks for dropping a comment. It was nice to hear from someone local!
Tag line should have been put above the cut originally to keep it from swinging back at you ( I know watching the video makes it easier to make these judgements as I’m not in the tree )
You're absolutely right. I thought the same thing when I was editing 😅
Or We could have cut above that notch 5 inches with a downward 45° or greater slash and she would have slipped off the front.😜
Possibly knocking the chain off the bar...so use a little beaver cut 😂
Two days for that tree...well done. What was the DBH? I have to say it. Shame on the homeowner for taking that tree down if it had no serious issues. Can't really tell but those two leaders could have just been cabled if that was a bad bark inclusion union. I make it a point to do al I can to talk myself out of a job for the sake of a perfectly fine tree, especially oaks. They are so important to the ecosystem. I'll abide the peoples wishes but not before I give my opinion and facts. Seeing this come down hurt my heart. Ask Santa to bring you a HUSQVARNA T540i XP. You'll love it.
Haha, it was 48" exactly at the felling cut. I think the homeowner was concerned about foundation damage. I did not sell the job, I was just there on contract, but I'm totally with you on the matter of saving nice trees. This one was the right distance from the powerlines that it didn't have to be hacked to maintain clearance and it really had nice structure over all. These pin oak trees are fast grower around here. This one was on 60ish years old and I've cut down others in the 42" DBH range that were 35 years old. So in that regard, atleast we were losing and old growth white oak or anything. Haha, the fella I was working for actually has one. He's let me use it before. They are nice, but I just can't give up on my perfectly functional 201 for a $1,350 replacement. I think that's what they cost not with a charger and two batteries. They'll have my attention a little more when they can make them lighter.
You know how many times I cut myself with the silky crossing my hands like that. Lol brave man
Haha, I have some scars too 😅 I actually have been trying to be more careful with that this year. I nailed a finger tip early in the trim season and that's kept me mindful.
Those trees are giant compared to camera pic's
I’m so against tip ties lol
Why is that? I don't like it either without the GRCS 😅
@@zaccheus too much weight moving Lol. I’ll tip tie in my tie in in 70 degrees or gonna b AWAY. Tight corners I’ll go smaller lol but I see why u did it.
Quit talkin to me like a groundie. Im a climber damnit lmao
Well, everyone knows what those are! Those are boo-boo's.
😂
Woodpecker holes
woodpecker holes...
Yup, that's what they are.
@Vince Stubits That's one of the things I've heard before, but I don't think they go looking for bugs like that in green wood do they?
@@zaccheus There are bugs in green trees too. They also eat sap and bugs that get trapped in the sap. They use more dead trees, especially the ones where the heartwood is rotten, for nesting. I really like your work by the way.
@@stuby2014 Cool, thanks for sharing that information! I'll have to tell Bo he was right 😅
Wood pecker/sapsucker row of feeding spots.
Sweet, thanks for sharing!
I don't understand why guys try to rig whole limbs at a time. Dude was already up there tying a knot,why not cut it up there then cut it at the spar?
Probably could have. I don't think it would have saved any time though.
Did you decide to climb trees because of Zaccheus in the Bible?
Haha no, but that is where the name came from. I climbed trees for fun as a kid amd then I learned that ylu cpukd make money doing it. When came time to start a proper business, my wife suggested the name and I thought it was great so we went with it.
Slow efficiency.
Yes yes you're right. We learned a few things on this rig that made the ones to follow faster. Ended up being worth it in the end.
Oh my god ...so dangerous not great idea ..was better from the top ...too much time and forces involved ...not a great job in my opinion ..you are lucky ...
Haha, we didn't exceed any SWL ratings and we certain weren't any where close to risking a rigging point failure. Lowering definitely could have been smoother and it went much smoother with other parts of the tree. How would you have done it?
En 3 morceaux c’était fait en 2 fois moins de temps perte de temps
Don't know if you don't try
Your thumbnail for the vid is click bait BS
Wow, you're mean. The limb was 50ft long. I made no effort to decieve anyone.
Rookie has lots to learn.
Have you ever done this?