Negative Rigging: Let It Run...
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Rigging a big top and some chunks of wood down on a nasty hollow Silver Maple... - Patrick
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That was a beautiful run. Man on the ropes knows what he's doing!
Groundman let that second limb hit the tree. He was suppose to let it sail then slow it up 10 feet from the ground
For letting it run It would be great to see some perspective from the groundie and learn how to determine the number of wraps to take based on the size of the piece and how that relates to the diameter of rope and port-a-wrap etc. Or other systems that allow for soft catches of large sections. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Started climbing 2 weeks ago I have to say its not as bad as I thought it would be. Climbers I work with said I'm a natural....i've been doing bucket work for 4 years. I must say all your videos I have watched have helped get me to where I am today ! Thank you for the educational videos !!!
good luck to you! - Patrick
Stay shape and stay safe when in doubt definitely rope it out!!!
And trust your equipment but never get big headed and don't climb and cut when your to aggravated or not focused I almost lost my arm and life cause I was trying to rush to finish a job so I would be able to pay my phone bill and was in the tree 50 or 60 foot with a big 272xp with a 24 inch bar it hit a knot a kicked at my face I blocked it with my arm shattered the bone severed the artery i climbed down about half way but lost so much blood I unharnessed and jumped down And had the homeowner call 911 I put my belt around my arm but couldn't stop the bleeding it wasn't as painful as you'd think but the turnakit in the ambulance was the most painful thing I've ever felt and I've been shot and stabbed
@@Psy6o 🙏🏾
@@Andyp310 happened 3/15 /21 I have. Been back climbing for probably 3 months won't ever be the same but I am alive And still got use of my arm thank God I was close to dying the Dr said I was very lucky it only takes one second of not respecting the saw or tree and it all can change
Love that daisy chain rigging knot 👊😎
Me too... I'm gonna use that tomorrow.
Love your videos dude im 19 and i want to learn to climb and do these cools knots you do, watching your videos has helped me alot slowly but surely im learning with time and practice,👌🏻
You couldn't pick a better time to enter the industry! Guys in Boise are SCRAMBLING for good help! Get your boots on and listen for chainsaws...
When you rig the lead pieces around 6:30 what is the knot you tie? I usually do a half hitch with a running bouline
It’s the daisy chain hitch, he’s got a video on it I just watched. I gotta go climb a tree now and try it out. I do the same with the half hitch into a runningbowline, how small do you go to just use a running bowline without the hitch with a limb? Currently fighting my foreman on this.
Thanks for the new video Patrick. I appreciate rigging videos. Can't get enough of it...
I missed your videos. Thanks Patrick!
I'll sit there on the ground and run ropes all day. You'll never catch me up in the tree though! Lol great work.
6ft, that's my limit.
Really fine ground crew to not hit that fence. I was wondering what you'd do when you got closer, did you rig off the remaining higher stem to keep it away from the fence?
yes, I switched to overhead rigging off the remaining spar after that last chunk... - Patrick
Your videos are the best. Super helpful! Thank you for putting the time into making these so educational.
You sure make it look easy. This is why you leave tree work to the pros folks.
Nice to watch someone else work for a change. Good job Patrick
Thanks Blair, appreciate it - Patrick
Ive been climbing over 12 years now , 10 of them working for myself. Country clubs , condo associations , retired judges and law enforcement on my client list. It affords me the opportunity to really discount those jobs for people who cant afford tree care even though they have a huge hanger or widow maker over there homes. But seeing this video makes me wish I could climb with such an awesome crew backing me up once in awhile. Be safe out there brothers !
Are you a mason Raymond?
That intro run was smooth as butter
burn/stiffens the rope
Wow I love the video, far superior to some of this type of content. I was wondering what chainsaw you use I noticed it was electric.
Noob question: I see that you’re daisy chaining your rope as a final tie off to the chunk your felling.
What’s the difference daisy chaining and tying a running bowline?
How do you aim for the wood, placement of the face cut right. I know keeping your wrap at the base to the side of where you drop is good so you don’t smack your rigging rope, but do you just try to aim a face cut to the spar (depending on lean)
I would urge extra caution on a job like this if the diameter of the tree is larger. When you 'butt rig' a hollow tree, the rigged piece can bang on the trunk and break it, sending you on your last ride on this earth, unless you count the hearse ride.
Would a climber be able to substitute a snatch block &have similar results?
Pulled that saw out just in time boy! 😆 nothing nicer than working with a high tie in 👍👍
it really grabbed her!
Brilliant video! enjoyed it :D
How come the camera creates an illusion of higher altitudes?
Hell, I've been skydiving since 1993 and nothing is high anymore.
One has to have 200 jumps to be recognized as skilled enough to wear a GoPro.....
this tree was over 700 ft tall!!
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM lmbo
Hey there, really enjoy your videos. What type of rope is the orange rope, and diameter?
That's a 12-strand line, Yale Buzzz half inch. Samson stable braid is a better choice for normal canopy rigging. - Patrick
Brasil.. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
What is the name of that knot to tie the trunks?
Question from a guy that's new to rigging rings: isn't the bend radius too severe on a single ring for negative rigging?
Your bend radius should be twice the diameter of your rope
I know that technically it's not the right radius, but in my mind it's fine... - Patrick
@@sandycharlton8669 actually it should be a 4to1 ratio, that is what the rope manufactures say. and if you go bigger the rope will be stronger to a certain point and the tighter you go the weaker the rope gets. just like tying a knot in rope it can decrease the strenght as much as 50%.
What type of rope is that orange one?
After the top on your negative rigging are you Tying half hitch to reduce the pressure and the second knotand also the second knot was that also another half hitch followed by a chain sinnet?
Was there a lean on that stem towards direction of gob/face cut? Noticed shallow, short cuts and the wood moved away with no encouragement. Just curious. Cheers pat
Hi Patrick, did you switch rigging ropes on this tree, and why? Also what is the size of your most commonly used rigging rope. Thanks for the great content.
That little electric saw is RIPPING I'd much rather use that than my 009 stihl lol
Are you clipping a carabiner to the saw handle?
Yes
What is the ring called that you got the rope running through was using a snatch block but my rope got hung in it today definitely need one of those
Im not very good at judging the weight so i always use my 5/8 bull rope and a pulley , always wondered when that 5/8 rope should be the smaller righing line i got , sometimes im ridiculously to small , but i learned smaller is safer ( but slower)
Hello I am from India sir can you tell me the size of the rope you are using and its company
What sort of height is this tree? Camera is deceiving
60-70 ft
good fckn work brotha! one thing ive learnd is no need for extra half hitch when rigging evn on logs. jus do a running bowline and u all good. take it or leave it for what its worth but u should def experiment with. only time i use the extra half hitch is when doin short logs....idk if really helps bit makes me feel a lil bettr if i can fit it in. job well dun friend😃
anther wonderful video! im sorry if this has already been asked i tried looking and didnt see it. can you please tell me what size who makes it and whats its name of the rope were you using to rig? the orange and the white rope .
Curious why not use those red and black pullies for rigging ?
What kind of flip line lanyard is that? I see a bunch climbers with that exact one but can’t find it anywhere
Patrick I am sending a client your from the state they have property there, I told them to call you
Excellent work, sir and great groundsman too.💯
Daisy chain hitch ✊🏻✊🏻… good set up bub be safe out there
Whoever made that sticker spelled ghey wrong
I was a tree surje
What was that orange and yellow friction saver?
Do you have a video where you show how to use the rings?
OTTIMO lavoro 👍👍👍
The man know how to tie his knots.
Fascinating!
That will make an old man out of ya in short order
Hey Patrick, that small blur ultra sling with thimble eye your using..can you tell me where you found that one? I tried Treestuff and they don’t have one that small
Got mine from Universal Field Supplies (thearboriststore.com)... think it's a 28x20
Nice crew
Patrick, been watching your videos for a long time. Great work as always. What is that new climbing line?
It's KM III static line..... I really like it.... - Patrick
Whyyyy the electric topper saw😂
I hope this guy gets paid really well
Excellent travail ''.. 👌🇨🇵
First comment that was smooth
Q fello
Nice work, good job.
Hats off brother! 👏
Very nice job👏👏👏🌳
Nice video Patrick
So, does that lower redirect that the orange rope 1st goes through just add friction? Or does the rig rope coming off the portawrap have to shoot straight up 1st b4 going where it needs to go? TIA
That redirect helps to share the load between the two stems, and adds some friction
Actually, it's not adding much friction at all, it's a pulley. It was just helping to share the load...
@TreeMuggs_PatrickM OK 👍 TY! So, two anchor points is generally sufficient when letting it run on a negative rigging? BTW, what's letting it run look like for the ground guy? Is it running through his 👋 hands? Is it also running through the portawrap? TIA
1 anchor is usually sufficient, sometimes that's all there is to work with. But I like to split the load when I can. Yes it's running through the ground guy's hands, very fast. See this video: ruclips.net/video/6KoGlt0sfXQ/видео.htmlsi=9IKYLmATHjkTNXcy
That's crazy !!
Fast hands on the cuts. Kinda freaked me out at 22seconds when you went to grab the stub while at the same time whipping the saw out of the cut. Maybe it’s just the view through the lens?
And thanks for the videos 👍
haha, yeah it wasn't as close as it looked... that leader was on an angle, and I knew as soon as the top came off that it was going to spring up quite a ways so I needed to have my hand out to push against it and brace myself... - Patrick
Great job
Like a pro
What orange rigging rope is that?
My favourite rigging line, Yale Buzzz line
Nice work 👍
Your good!
How many wraps for that last drop?
3. And a half maybe
Alright mate, been having a debate over Instagram with some other arbs. In the uk we're taught to have our mainline and flip/secondary below our rigging assembles, in a negative rigging scenario. Now i know what youre doing in this video is different, but what are you thoughts?
Hi. I was taught to have your climbing lines above the rigging so when it flipped over it wouldn't lock/pinch your climbing lines if there was an issue. What would be an alternative scenario? Just asking...I like to learn...
@@turnoffski when i started climbing i always used to keep everything above my rigging set up. Once id been and done the actual rigging quals, i started to think differently. The rigging system will actually save your climbing systems from flipping off the pole youre rigging! Personally i run a false anchor with my main line, a few feet below me, just above my feet for absolute Emergencys. And i have my flip line/secondary where ever is comfortable, preferably below rigging system.
@@Bingham15 that makes sense.... Just remembered I'm on SRT now so not a problem anymore... The was someone at college who had the line flip off the top, he luckily fell onto a 'soft' forest floor and didn't end up in a wheelchair! College just seemed to be a long list of stories of how not to things... Which kind of makes sense.
@@turnoffski exactly that reason!! My exemption to the rule is if I'm on big timber, ill have my flipline higher just for comfort. Ive never had a rope melt any of my ropes whilst rigging, i understand why the logic may make it seem that way, but it just doesn't.
Do love SRT on poles!
For the last top on a spar, I keep my lanyard/flip above the rigging sling, and my climbing line tied off srt below the sling... - Patrick
Can you tell me what brand/dia your orange rigging rope is?
that's Yale Buzzz line, half inch - Patrick
@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Checked it out. Now isn’t that a dynamic climbing line? Educate me pls.
@@justinjones9255 it's marketed as a climbing line, but it's my favourite rigging line... I love 12-strand lines for natural crotch rigging... - Patrick
I like to keep that slip knot in the ring while I’m doing my half hitch and running bow….. that way your not fighting the weight/gravity of your rig line while tieing.
….and if you fumble you don’t lose the line.
I do the same thing. But looks like Patrick has his set up dialed
How do you like that saw?
I climb w a 355T
I climb with a 150t... With a 10mm hole in the exhaust 😸😸😸
Recently helped with some of this stuff as a ground guy. No climber, just a couple guys and a bucket (very low risk removal, no structures, just had to protect ground from damage).
Watching the way your ground guys move is amazing. I WISH I had that as a ground guy. Awesome climbing and very informational. Thank you!
🤘
Fancy seeing you here.
Rope man is on point!
The way he places the thumb finger on chainsaw is dangerous in case of a kickback..
Wow man. That looks like fun.
Just curious, do you guys calculate the breaking strength of that limb that you are trusting to lower the falling limb and to keep you alive as well?
From an uneducated perspective like mine, it seems that stressing that limb like that was way too risky.
Will you please share an educated climber’s perspective on this?
Thank you.
you climbers today just have no idea of rigging and shock loads , sure run heads , but if you rigging a 30-40 ft limb and turning it 90 or more degrees you need to hold up the load until all the forces are over , rigging down logs like you just did here is totally wrong , you should be using Spectra rope at 14 -16 mil that has no stretch , the log should fall just off the cut , ( it fall one ft ) and only doubles in weight at one ft , but you have your log rigs dropping over 4 ft increasing a massive load on the rope which in time will break , the climber should never ever rely on the rope man to get the load away from him , he should have already created his own exit if things go badly , this endless videos today showing rigs being dropped at the fastest rate to the ground is just Stupid to watch . ( 38 year climbing Vet )
A hydraulic lift bucket is the safest way to go and if you can't reach the tall places customize a electric pole saw to reach them.you can always get a 150 foot extension cord for power. After that then you move up to what the big guys have...a crane that parks in the street and can reach anything