There is no way I could afford a diesel pusher new. No way. However I can afford a used one and I do most of the maintenance and work on it myself. My Newmar Dutch Star 8.3 cummins now has over 200,000 miles on it and runs like a champ, good luck having a gasser with that many miles on it in a motorhome. Its all diesel for me, have had many gassers and the lack of power and the wind factor driving down the road and noise levels we're the deal breaker for me. Great video!
Matt, you are by far the straightest shooter on RUclips!!!! Honesty is everything! Early in life before Law Enforcement I drove trucks of all kinds and heavy equipment for a living. The God's honest truth is if TAKEN CARE OF and following manufacturers maintenance recommendations, the gas engine CAN and WILL go 250,000 miles and beyond. The Diesel; probably to 1/2 million miles and way beyond. You will never drive it that much. I have had a gas engine go kaput and also a CAT. Diesel engine break a crank. Difference is: the gas engine can be swapped out or rebuilt for around $5K.....the Diesel: you'll probably need to refinance it......you can start at $30K and much higher........ouch!!!! I would go gas every time unless I had a huge wallet or if I traveled mountains constantly.....then that "Jake Brake" is awful nice to have. Please keep doing this type of video Matt!!!! You're the BEST!!!!!!!
I never realized that the gasoline motor homes were that much less expensive than the diesel powered ones, that's some eye opening information, thanks Matt
I've been watching Matt and Andrea's videos from almost his beginning. It never ceases to amaze me how candid and honest Matt's opinions are. I like how they always point out things that they don't like as well as things they like. If I was going to invest in a motorhome, a couple of phone calls and a plane ticket to see this guy in person may just be one of the cheapest Investments you've ever made.
Same here went from a georgetown class A gasoline to an itasca meridian 40u diesel pusher. The difference is night and day. There is no Comparison between the ride and build quality of a diesel compared to a gasoline. I will never get a gasoline class A ever again. The squeaks and rattles were horrendous on the gasoline. The diesel is well well worth paying the extra cost.
We have a Tiffin Allegro red 37PA and love it. It’s a 2020 and it rides very nice, the air suspension make a huge difference, can’t even tell when a semi passes me with no modifications. I was surprised how good it is on fuel, we are total weight with the tow at 34000 pounds and we are at 9.8 miles per gallon , diesel. With the TST fuel card you will not pay more then gas fuel. Yes it cost more but when you trade it or sell it you do a lot better then a common gas RV. It’s all what you can afford and prefer, diesels with emissions can cause you grief, so extended warranty is advised. Thanks Matt for this and be honest
I'm happy you don't push one over the other. By just pointing out the facts you let the consumer decide. Too many times, some rely upon the opinion of someone else and then are dismayed when what they get wasn't what fit them. Everyone has to do their own research. You provide the research.
Matt, great review and appreciate your honest opinions. We have owned both and I agree with your assessment of the 2 types. The only other thing I can add is it is much easier to fuel a diesel since you can use truck stops with plenty of room to maneuver. When we had a gas MH I had to carefully plan gas stops as we needed plenty of room to maneuver our 37 Footer with toad.
I had 2 gas class A Motorhome now I got my first Class A diesel pusher Motorhome RV I love my Rose Air By REXHALL on a Spartan chassis I now had it 2 days and I love her so much I love the glass engraving roses on the cabinets doors my mom pass away I keep her safe in the front cabinet on the top shelf we travel all over the place as much as possible thank you for all your awesome videos please let me know what I should do next thank you
0:59 Nailed it! Objectively the Diesel is always better. Subjectively will you as the individual consumer utilize it's benefits enough to justify the increased cost? That is where the sticking point is and why no one but the buyer can answer this question.
When looking for a class A motor home, I spoke to several mechanics at Rush Trucks to get their opinion. All four said the same thing, unless you need to climb grades at 70 or more and want to spend more on fuel and service go with the gas engine. As for ride, once I purchased six new tires, going from Michelin to Toyo with bead balancing, 😊the ride improved substantially since the Toyo tires have a wider footprint.
Very well put, I'm a diesel mechanic by trade, 30 years. Yes diesel is better but we bought gas because we are part time campers maybe 12 trips a year. And this is our first Class A. More bells and whistle with gas for the $$$$. 2000 Tiffin 39 with V10
Excellent down to Earth, "tell it like it is" style, Matt. More of that.... is what the world needs. Thanks! Very informative. I learned so much in this one short video!
Now. Let's do three things we like about Matt's video and three things we didn't like! Liked: 1. Serious Matt. Very subdued & educational. 2. Only 7 points to compare. Very streamlined. 3. Using such similar coaches (Manufacturer, color, styling) Dislikes: 1. No Andrea! 2. Front, driving, rear & campsite noise comparisons for generator & engine. 3. No actual road comparison, especially with a grade (I know it's impractical, but still would be helpful)
I think it's worth adding with the diesel you will also generally get a lot more interior appointments with the diesel than you would with a gas motorhome. As you said matt it really boils down to what are you doing with it and will it fit your needs. If you only put 3-5k miles each year and you can live without certain amenities and your tow vehicle is a small car a gasser will work for you. If however you are planning on going on longer distance trips and spending a bit more time in your RV or you need that extra towing capacity for whatever reason; you have a larger vehicle or trailer and prefer to have things such as washer dryer, more house like appliances the extra storage and ability to take more guests and you can stomach the extra expense, then a diesel is for you
Another factor worth mentioning is the door placement. DPs tend to have bus-style doors which pushes the front passenger seat back and also makes an over-cab bunk less practical since you have to duck/crawl under it to get in/out (as well as possible move the ladder) if the bunk is deployed. Personally, I hate bus-style doors and prefer the cockpit design of a gasser. On the other hand, the bus-style door does get you that much more interior floorspace since you don't have to make room for steps in your living room.
We have had a Gas Class A since 2011 now with over 50K miles and love it. We have taken it over 10K mountain passes without difficulty. Service has been easy to get. We usually take it to Ford. The Diesel is quieter inside while driving but that is just because the engine is in the back, don't try to sleep in the back of a diesel while it is going down the road. We lived in our Class A full time for almost 5 years. Now we use it 4-6 months a year. We will stay with the Gas Class A not worth the extra cost to us. Love our Bounder
I researched online mainly, and ended up with a preowned diesel pusher. Possibly the favourite things I like is that I have a fuel-fill door on both sides, so both lead to the tank so if one side is full at the RV pumps, I can just use the other side and fill. We truly like how quiet it is up front, where we can have a conversation without competing with the engine noise! Third and perhaps one of the most important is the exhaust brake on the diesel, where gassers don't have one, so we have secondary braking, where on some hills you never have to touch the service brake pedal as the engine/turbo is doing the braking for you. Generally, the diesel has more power, but that wasn't a factor for us, as I'm never in a hurry anyway. I'll mention too, again...generally the diesel coach has a diesel generator, which is often much quieter than a gas generator, at least the built in models like we have. Maintenance is usually less on a gasser, but I do my own usually, along with the 'fix-it's, as it's good to feel confident that it's maintained well.
Your summary at the conclusion is right on point, When I went looking of course I heard "a diesel is better", however for someone that only RVs 4 months a year and covers 3-4 thousand miles. I could not justify the increased purchase and ownership cost. I used a little of the money I save to improve the suspension and totally enjoy my gasser even towing a car four down. If money was not a factor at all, then sure a diesel, but you can get more "smiles per dollar" from a gasser. Oh and a little FatMat sound insulation for the dog house did a lot for the sound
Interesting and useful information - would have liked to have seen the noise levels at the back of both rigs - if someone likes to sleep on highway how loud is it in the back of the diesel above the engine?
Its really simple. If you are just going to the lake or to see the grandkids once a year or so? Go Gas. If you are planning on being on the road for weeks at a time every year? Diesel is the only way to go. Gas motorhomes are good for about 75k miles before the motor will be toast. And their maintenance intervals are 4 times as often as a diesel coach. I had a 96 with the V10 and got rid of it after a year and bought a used diesel pusher for less than what I paid for the first one. Much happier.
We have owned both a 38ft gas and currently own a 38ft diesel; I never felt confident that the gas motorhome could be stopped safely in an emergency. The air brakes on the diesel motorhome bring that confidence. I agree with Plymouth Man regarding the impact of the exhaust brakes when traversing hills.
Matt (and Andrea) You’re doing a lot of good for the RV community, and for those not yet a part of it! Personally, Partial to diesel pusher... Keep it up guys!!
I agree with you and one thing Matt mentioned is the interior finishing on diesel are typically solid, not thin light weight materials and that makes a difference if you plan ownership for a longer period imo. I think a trick might be for someone is to have a look at a 5 - 10 year old gas and a diesel and see for themselves how they wear inside.
Great video. Always take in consideration the brakes. You cannot compare air brakes to hydraulic brakes. Especially when towing anything. Plus diesels have engine brakes. Brakes are more important than anything else. Also generator size. Generator placement and access. Diesels have generators in the front when you’re sleeping or taking a nap and your generators on you are usually in the back very quiet. I fix all my heavy equipment when I need a lift I bring my trucks to my diesel mechanic. He told me there was a Tiffin gas motor home it looks great until he looked underneath he told the owner be very careful going downhill do not tell anything heavy because of the lack of Breaking power. Scary. Everything‘s fine until you’re in a situation and you can’t stop. Hydraulic brakes are not for me or my family. Take it slow. Start at the top of the Hill slow even embarrassingly slow. Keep the speed down. I don’t post much but I truly love everyone even if they’re not nice so be safe all.
Thanks so much for taking the time to make this comparison! I’m in the research phase of buying a motorhome & can’t decide between a diesel or gas motor! This helps a ton!!!
Great video agree with you completely. We have a newmar canyon star and have liquid spring suspension on rear and will be putting on front here shortly. That gives us are diseal ride with much of the comforts of diseal amenities inside with a bunch of money left in the bank.
@@directorjustin Of course tires are a factor in conjunction with your braking power - hence the bigger tires on a diesel pusher - or a tractor-trailer..
EPIC. You make it so simple. Looking to either continue upgrades or move up. Always wanted a diesel. Not so sure now. 26 foot Georgie Boy Pursuit. 2 people and a dog. Never had a bad time travelling. 454 Chevy gas. 60K miles. Working on cosmetics and the roof. We have a blast. Wish I had a 45 foot Prevost. But a 36 foot anything diesel would be the bomb. We'll keep rolling. Don't go far anyway. LOL. Thanks Matt
I just bought a 30 foot gas,,I went with gas because I can wrench it myself,I can do spark plugs,oil changes,filters,brakes,etc.I don’t have to pay the outrageous service cost on a diesel pusher. The noise up front doesn’t bother me at all,once you’re up to speed you don’t hear the engine. Went with a short because I can still get it into the lakes and boondocks,only limitations being water tank size,easy to work around that. I’ve had a diesel and won’t ever go back…
Matt, we bought our first Motorhome in June, a 2000 Newmar Dutch Star 38’ Diesel Pusher. When we purchased it we had done over 2 years of research and watching RVTrader to find the perfect Coach. While I agree that Diesel costs a bit more to maintain we found one that had been maintained meticulously by the one and only owner so we were able to land a great deal on a great Coach. Sine June we have traveled from AZ to Virginia and back and logged over 17K miles. This is the primary reason we wanted a diesel Pusher. While not full time we are retired and want to see as much of the.country as possible. PS it drives like a dream. 😁
Our first motorhome was a 2003 31’ class c… we drove the crap out of it. Kids, boat, river trips was great. Now about to retire and going to go travel for 2 years so we found an amazing deal on a 2012 Liberty triple slide coach. This is a home on wheels, tons of room and storage and can tow anything. Start gas then if you need diesel then make the move.
We are on our 5th motorhome 4 Winabeggos' in a row 3 gas and finally a Vectra Diesel. Now we are in a Holiday Rambler Endeavor Diesel. Our last two were diesels, and I cant describe how much more we love our diesels. There is no comparison for us!. Glad you came right out and said it in the first minute of the video.
Thank you so much Matt for doing the side by side comparisons. There is so much contradictory information out there and it was nice to get an unbiased perspective. My wife and I are in the research part of our journey to full time RVing and we love your show.
I bought a secondhand 27-year-old Fleetwood pace arrow diesel pusher with only 80,000 miles on it they use it every year they had it since it was three years old so for 24 years they drove down to the coast of California and were people that cared for the park and took care of it they were the host of the park. It has solid oak interior it has tile countertops it is a very nice motorhome and I am learning how to maintain it because it is very expensive to maintain it has different moving parts it’s got bigger tires everything Matt said is true but it is splendid to drive and it is 27 years old. Nice job Matt thank you sir nice presentation. And Andrea you had a lot to say today LOL. Thanks you guys
Before we bought our DP, we were advised to find the floor plan we really wanted first. You live on the inside. I we spent the last 4 years living in it. The ride really matters, the comfort driving it was wonderful, it worked out well. Yes they cost money to maintain, but they all will cost money to maintain. We’ll be selling ours next year as our lifestyle is changing again for a few years. I would be very interested in the DP to Super C comparison as well. It will be hard getting a motorhome without all the power we have in this one for sure!!!
Have had both a gasser and now a diesel. If you have short trips, young kids and/or a very tight budget, there are some nice gassers. We moved up to a diesel for a better ride, less noise and more power, bigger tanks including fuel, more slides and overall better floor plans. The diesel has more items to service but we love ours.
Slim watching this from Wash D.C. u are the most honest person being straight forward about selling these Motorhomes!!! If I was looking I would fly to wherever u are and buy from U!!! Great super Great Review!!! U make a person want to buy one I am really blown away by your honesty sir!!
Sound advice. Are the upgrades that you want over what is needed worth the financial impact for the actual time you will use the RV? Full-time traveling vs Full-time at RV resort is another factor. Finding the perfect RV solution is as individual as buying the perfect Pair of Jeans.
My Diesel pusher gets 12.1 miles per gallon. Our V10 was 6/7 on a lot of down hills! Good video enjoyed! You were right on tag axle coach, 8 on rear with 2 drive tires! 10
Hi Matt, We have owned both a Class A gas and Class A Diesel Pusher. 1) Price difference:Isn't just for the engine /transmission package as the diesel pusher (DP) is going to have upgrades throughout the interior & exterior as well as other mechanical systems like water heater, suspension, heater, luxury accouterments, etc which are included at the higher overall price (which Matt points out at the end of the video). 2) length: valid debate. The shorter the coach, the more camp sites you can fit into. That's why the shortest 35-37' DPs are so desirable. Our 1st RV was a 32' gas class A and we fit everywhere. Our current RV is a 37' DP and we fit into most State Parks & National Parks. However, you can fit just about anything into private parks but they are usually more expensive since they receive no State or Federal subsidies, are outside desirable National Parks, and vary as to their upkeep. 3) Ride: no comparison. The F53 sits on leaf springs front & rear while the Diesel pusher rides on air bags and in some cases with independent front suspension. The F53 can be modded to perform better but even then, the DP will ride better. Tire size does matter as Matt points out. The larger footprint provides greater stability but also can run lower tire pressures and still meet the weight carrying requirements. If your budget points to gas, research and do the worthwhile upgrades. 4) Noise: The gas engine rides upfront between the driver & passenger seats under an insulated 'doghouse' engine cover while the DP is out back. Standing/ idling sound OK, Getting to 60 mph...DP is quicker & quieter...Climbing hills (not mentioned)...No comparison. The gas will be revving very high and trans downshifting as low as possible while the DP will crush the hill with locomotive type strength with much lower RPMs. (Depends on engine size...Ours is a Cummins L9 w/450 hp / 1,250 ft lbs of torque). Again, owned both and have crossed the Rockies. Edit ~ Not mentioned: Braking performance. What goes up must come down. The diesels offer engine braking. Ours is 2 stage (3 or all 6 cylinder exhaust valve opening) which is great. We descend hills at the posted speed while in full control. Gas you can downshift but will be pushing revs near the limit. 5)Exterior Storage: Matt explains the differences very well. However, some gas models, even though shorter than the DP, will have greater storage in measured cubic feet but will not have the pass through advantage. Still, plenty of room with either. Load your unit and go camping...then come home and take out all the stuff you didn't need😉. 6)Towing: Bravo Matt!... for pointing out that your rig should be weighed before towing. We load ours up for travel mode...full tank fuel, fresh water tank full, etc and drive to a truck stop where they usually have a CAT Scale. Safety first. 7)Ownership Cost: Don't overlook resale differences but Matt's Final Opinion & Closing Thoughts are 100% accurate. Well done Matt.
If his video showed maintenance shops, then you would really get pissed off!!! They are necessary evils, but I wouldn't give you a dime for any of them. All are SLOW, INEFFICIENT AND COSTLY!!!
@@jlarm3 not shops, like what things you should know about when you buy an rv. Like what you need to know about maintenance. On a rv , or travel trailer or 5th wheel. And what you should consider when you decide.
Good review, Matt. I love you bringing them onto the road and compare the driving. Please do more for other models, and add more feelings, etc. Also, how the headlight performance at night? I love the look of these Entegra, but how do they perform in the real world at night or in heavy rains? Our whole family's life depending on the safety of the vehicle if we purchase a class A. I'd love to see how safe these class As are.
Hi Matt, we own a 2005 Winnebago Adventurer, and our experience is, on flat ground, we're happy. But when we went to Colorado, we really needed a diesel!
From your reviews is the reason why we picked up a class a Diesel Pusher went down to Tampa Bay Florida picked it up from Lazy Days. Best buying experience ever!
I have a diesel generator and it's pretty quiet. If I have it on while driving it's kind of a low rumble or hum on the inside. Outside might be a little louder than a diesel pickup idling, but not by much.
OK, here's the funny part. The smaller diesel gens (6KW) are louder than the larger ones (10-12.5KW). I think the larger ones operate at a lower RPM. If you get into the big Prevost conversions, they install those 20KW gens in a soundproof box and really quiet them down. (because they are liquid cooled). Also the diesel gens seem quieter because they generally are mounted up front in the nose, rather than near the rear by the bedroom.
@@jlarm3 This could be true. I have a 12.5 Onan Quietgen in the nose. It's a 3 cylinder, water cooled Kabota. Never really paid much attention to the smaller generators.
This is the best, yes I said THE BEST, video that gives the facts about the difference between gas and diesel motorhomes! Well worth watching and so helpful! I've been shopping for a compatible used RV for fulltime living in my later years. I grew up driving diesel trucks and semis, so am very confident in driving them. But I always wondered if the difference was great enough to justify the cost difference between the gas rig or the diesel one. Matt does such a good job of explaining it, and even revealed a few things I was not aware of before. Highly Recommend Matt's video to anyone looking to purchase an RV.
Great video! I have been looking for someone to do this comparison! I would love to have a diesel pusher but I just don’t think the cost is worth it for the amount of trips we will be taking. Also I think as far as on the road repairs, I think it will be a lot easier to find Ford dealers around to work on these motors if something goes wrong with it.
There is one point I would like to raise with you Matt.... to be really fair you should have tested the diesel pusher with the sound meter at the rear of the vehicle as close as you did with the gas vehicle !!
Check out the Entegras that Matt was showing in this video. We just bought a gas Vision XL and are really happy with the quality. We don't feel like we sacrificed much by not spending an extra 100K on a DP. Interior is very modern with no carpet, has solid counter tops, plenty of storage bays etc
Great vid...as a truck driver I can attest to the cost of operating a Diesel engine... Especially a modern day diesel engine they are very complicated run on DEF and have very complicated emissions equipment on them... So based on what I know of today’s diesel engines I’d prefer Gas... Obviously the Diesel can pull more weight than the gas but the result will be the same either way lots of fun and good times...The Mrs. and I went with a gas engine
Thanks for the honesty - agree that diesel overall better than gasser, but not worth the price (for my first rig). In the end, its about getting out and enjoying the journey! And making memories for a lifetime.
Great video. I am just to spoiled. We just spent the last 5 days in the Texas Hill Country near Kerrville. Camping in our Mountain Aire during near freezing weather. Some of the benefits you didn't mention for the diesel like how well it climbs hills, How nice the engine breaking is when going down hills and how nice the Oasis heat system is. Yes I have gone camping in a small gas coach. I think the gas coach is the way most people who arn't retired should be looking.
if you like going up hills slower than the rest of the traffic while getting passed be semi truck please get the gas engine. for everyone else get the diesel, you will be glad you did.
Great assessment. I have been RV'ing for 25 years now and have owned three large slide-in campers, three medium to very large 5th wheels, a gas Class A and one Diesel pusher with the big 8.3 Cummins. I've never personally owned but have used a Class C as well. Which is best? It depends on your individual needs. If I was full timing and it was my home, Diesel pusher all the way. We are not full timers and never spend more than 4 or 5 weeks in the RV at one time before returning to our house. We also like to bring our Harley's or other toys, so right now we have a 45' long toy hauler 5th wheel. If you can, rent one before buying one before you spend $$$$$$$.
I think another potential consideration is resale and / or longevity. Most of those diesel engines can easily go a million miles and so the RV likely carries with it a higher resale value for longer period. I guess you could always replace or rebuild a gas motor if you are putting enough miles on it but there would be likely no return for that if it was sold. Maybe you should consider how long you intend ownership and then reevaluate the price / costs too.
I agree with all the factors stated in this vid except for fuel economy. I own a 2016 Coachmen 35BH w/v10 gas, and a 2017 Thor Aria 3901 w/360 Cummins Diesel. The gas RV gets 6.5mpg the diesel gets 10mpg. That is a massive difference if you multiply it across hundreds of gallons and/or thousands of miles traveled. The diesel eats less fuel and goes much further on a tank.
Wow, thanks Matt. I'm a 50 year old Asian grandma, and you explained this in a way that I could easily understand. Very much appreciated.
There is no way I could afford a diesel pusher new. No way. However I can afford a used one and I do most of the maintenance and work on it myself. My Newmar Dutch Star 8.3 cummins now has over 200,000 miles on it and runs like a champ, good luck having a gasser with that many miles on it in a motorhome. Its all diesel for me, have had many gassers and the lack of power and the wind factor driving down the road and noise levels we're the deal breaker for me. Great video!
Matt, you are by far the straightest shooter on RUclips!!!! Honesty is everything! Early in life before Law Enforcement I drove trucks of all kinds and heavy equipment for a living. The God's honest truth is if TAKEN CARE OF and following manufacturers maintenance recommendations, the gas engine CAN and WILL go 250,000 miles and beyond. The Diesel; probably to 1/2 million miles and way beyond. You will never drive it that much. I have had a gas engine go kaput and also a CAT. Diesel engine break a crank. Difference is: the gas engine can be swapped out or rebuilt for around $5K.....the Diesel: you'll probably need to refinance it......you can start at $30K and much higher........ouch!!!!
I would go gas every time unless I had a huge wallet or if I traveled mountains constantly.....then that "Jake Brake" is awful nice to have.
Please keep doing this type of video Matt!!!! You're the BEST!!!!!!!
Very substantive comment here. Thank you
My motto is "never run a diesel when a gasser will do"!
I never realized that the gasoline motor homes were that much less expensive than the diesel powered ones, that's some eye opening information, thanks Matt
I don’t call it miles per gallon, I call it smiles per gallon because you’re out having a good time.
Salesman of the year right there folks.
Honesty is always the best policy! Love how your straightforward with people.
I cannot express how much I appreciate and honest, unbiased and informed opinion . . . THANK YOU
Generally, Diesel Pusher for the Full Timer & Gasser is for the Short tripper & Seasonal/Snowbirds. Thx!
I've been watching Matt and Andrea's videos from almost his beginning. It never ceases to amaze me how candid and honest Matt's opinions are. I like how they always point out things that they don't like as well as things they like. If I was going to invest in a motorhome, a couple of phone calls and a plane ticket to see this guy in person may just be one of the cheapest Investments you've ever made.
I am an old trucker, the hum of a diesel just sounds and feels like home.
Thanks for the help as a salesman I find your comments honest and clear and you leave the finale decisson to the customer
As a RV Salesperson myself, I appreciate your honesty.
I had a gas it was a great Coach I now have a diesel it’s hard to describe the difference in the two. Better ride better handling better everything.
Same here went from a georgetown class A gasoline to an itasca meridian 40u diesel pusher. The difference is night and day. There is no Comparison between the ride and build quality of a diesel compared to a gasoline. I will never get a gasoline class A ever again. The squeaks and rattles were horrendous on the gasoline. The diesel is well well worth paying the extra cost.
You are so right. Is all up to what is important to each buyer.
We have a Tiffin Allegro red 37PA and love it.
It’s a 2020 and it rides very nice, the air suspension make a huge difference, can’t even tell when a semi passes me with no modifications.
I was surprised how good it is on fuel, we are total weight with the tow at 34000 pounds and we are at 9.8 miles per gallon , diesel.
With the TST fuel card you will not pay more then gas fuel.
Yes it cost more but when you trade it or sell it you do a lot better then a common gas RV.
It’s all what you can afford and prefer, diesels with emissions can cause you grief, so extended warranty is advised.
Thanks Matt for this and be honest
I'm happy you don't push one over the other. By just pointing out the facts you let the consumer decide. Too many times, some rely upon the opinion of someone else and then are dismayed when what they get wasn't what fit them. Everyone has to do their own research. You provide the research.
Matt, great review and appreciate your honest opinions. We have owned both and I agree with your assessment of the 2 types. The only other thing I can add is it is much easier to fuel a diesel since you can use truck stops with plenty of room to maneuver. When we had a gas MH I had to carefully plan gas stops as we needed plenty of room to maneuver our 37 Footer with toad.
Nice point , thanks
I had 2 gas class A Motorhome now I got my first Class A diesel pusher Motorhome RV I love my Rose Air By REXHALL on a Spartan chassis I now had it 2 days and I love her so much I love the glass engraving roses on the cabinets doors my mom pass away I keep her safe in the front cabinet on the top shelf we travel all over the place as much as possible thank you for all your awesome videos please let me know what I should do next thank you
0:59 Nailed it! Objectively the Diesel is always better. Subjectively will you as the individual consumer utilize it's benefits enough to justify the increased cost? That is where the sticking point is and why no one but the buyer can answer this question.
You are so freakin' smart about RV's. This is your true calling in life! Keep making these Q&A videos!
Thank you! Will do!
Really love these new FAQ segments. I really like how you explain things, and your honesty is very much appreciated. Can't wait to see more!
When looking for a class A motor home, I spoke to several mechanics at Rush Trucks to get their opinion. All four said the same thing, unless you need to climb grades at 70 or more and want to spend more on fuel and service go with the gas engine. As for ride, once I purchased six new tires, going from Michelin to Toyo with bead balancing, 😊the ride improved substantially since the Toyo tires have a wider footprint.
I’m gonna take the Disel
My motto is "never run a diesel when a gasser will do"!
Very well put, I'm a diesel mechanic by trade, 30 years. Yes diesel is better but we bought gas because we are part time campers maybe 12 trips a year. And this is our first Class A. More bells and whistle with gas for the $$$$. 2000 Tiffin 39 with V10
Excellent down to Earth, "tell it like it is" style, Matt. More of that.... is what the world needs. Thanks! Very informative. I learned so much in this one short video!
Now. Let's do three things we like about Matt's video and three things we didn't like!
Liked:
1. Serious Matt. Very subdued & educational.
2. Only 7 points to compare. Very streamlined.
3. Using such similar coaches (Manufacturer, color, styling)
Dislikes:
1. No Andrea!
2. Front, driving, rear & campsite noise comparisons for generator & engine.
3. No actual road comparison, especially with a grade (I know it's impractical, but still would be helpful)
The only other thing I would have added on the cost of ownership would be the additonal cost of DEF to the diesel pusher as well. Great video Matt!!
I think it's worth adding with the diesel you will also generally get a lot more interior appointments with the diesel than you would with a gas motorhome. As you said matt it really boils down to what are you doing with it and will it fit your needs. If you only put 3-5k miles each year and you can live without certain amenities and your tow vehicle is a small car a gasser will work for you. If however you are planning on going on longer distance trips and spending a bit more time in your RV or you need that extra towing capacity for whatever reason; you have a larger vehicle or trailer and prefer to have things such as washer dryer, more house like appliances the extra storage and ability to take more guests and you can stomach the extra expense, then a diesel is for you
Love this Q&A! You answered a lot questions on the difference. It’s refreshing to see someone more interested in customer satisfaction. ❤️❤️❤️
Good show round price of unit.
Excellent topic and analysis. Thanks!
Another factor worth mentioning is the door placement. DPs tend to have bus-style doors which pushes the front passenger seat back and also makes an over-cab bunk less practical since you have to duck/crawl under it to get in/out (as well as possible move the ladder) if the bunk is deployed. Personally, I hate bus-style doors and prefer the cockpit design of a gasser. On the other hand, the bus-style door does get you that much more interior floorspace since you don't have to make room for steps in your living room.
We have had a Gas Class A since 2011 now with over 50K miles and love it. We have taken it over 10K mountain passes without difficulty. Service has been easy to get. We usually take it to Ford. The Diesel is quieter inside while driving but that is just because the engine is in the back, don't try to sleep in the back of a diesel while it is going down the road. We lived in our Class A full time for almost 5 years. Now we use it 4-6 months a year. We will stay with the Gas Class A not worth the extra cost to us. Love our Bounder
I researched online mainly, and ended up with a preowned diesel pusher. Possibly the favourite things I like is that I have a fuel-fill door on both sides, so both lead to the tank so if one side is full at the RV pumps, I can just use the other side and fill. We truly like how quiet it is up front, where we can have a conversation without competing with the engine noise! Third and perhaps one of the most important is the exhaust brake on the diesel, where gassers don't have one, so we have secondary braking, where on some hills you never have to touch the service brake pedal as the engine/turbo is doing the braking for you. Generally, the diesel has more power, but that wasn't a factor for us, as I'm never in a hurry anyway. I'll mention too, again...generally the diesel coach has a diesel generator, which is often much quieter than a gas generator, at least the built in models like we have. Maintenance is usually less on a gasser, but I do my own usually, along with the 'fix-it's, as it's good to feel confident that it's maintained well.
Your summary at the conclusion is right on point, When I went looking of course I heard "a diesel is better", however for someone that only RVs 4 months a year and covers 3-4 thousand miles. I could not justify the increased purchase and ownership cost. I used a little of the money I save to improve the suspension and totally enjoy my gasser even towing a car four down. If money was not a factor at all, then sure a diesel, but you can get more "smiles per dollar" from a gasser. Oh and a little FatMat sound insulation for the dog house did a lot for the sound
Good info Matt...looking forward to the V-10 vs V8 compare video
Interesting and useful information - would have liked to have seen the noise levels at the back of both rigs - if someone likes to sleep on highway how loud is it in the back of the diesel above the engine?
The v8 has closed the gap a bit no doubt
Another nice safety feature about the diesel motorhome is they have an ENGINE BRAKE. I use mine all the time.
Hi Matt, my husband is listening closely, we ARE asking the question ourselves. Hi Andrea!
Its really simple. If you are just going to the lake or to see the grandkids once a year or so? Go Gas. If you are planning on being on the road for weeks at a time every year? Diesel is the only way to go. Gas motorhomes are good for about 75k miles before the motor will be toast. And their maintenance intervals are 4 times as often as a diesel coach. I had a 96 with the V10 and got rid of it after a year and bought a used diesel pusher for less than what I paid for the first one. Much happier.
We have owned both a 38ft gas and currently own a 38ft diesel; I never felt confident that the gas motorhome could be stopped safely in an emergency. The air brakes on the diesel motorhome bring that confidence. I agree with Plymouth Man regarding the impact of the exhaust brakes when traversing hills.
Matt (and Andrea)
You’re doing a lot of good for the RV community, and for those not yet a part of it!
Personally, Partial to diesel pusher...
Keep it up guys!!
I agree with you and one thing Matt mentioned is the interior finishing on diesel are typically solid, not thin light weight materials and that makes a difference if you plan ownership for a longer period imo. I think a trick might be for someone is to have a look at a 5 - 10 year old gas and a diesel and see for themselves how they wear inside.
Great video. Always take in consideration the brakes. You cannot compare air brakes to hydraulic brakes. Especially when towing anything. Plus diesels have engine brakes. Brakes are more important than anything else. Also generator size. Generator placement and access. Diesels have generators in the front when you’re sleeping or taking a nap and your generators on you are usually in the back very quiet. I fix all my heavy equipment when I need a lift I bring my trucks to my diesel mechanic. He told me there was a Tiffin gas motor home it looks great until he looked underneath he told the owner be very careful going downhill do not tell anything heavy because of the lack of Breaking power. Scary.
Everything‘s fine until you’re in a situation and you can’t stop.
Hydraulic brakes are not for me or my family. Take it slow. Start at the top of the Hill slow even embarrassingly slow. Keep the speed down. I don’t post much but I truly love everyone even if they’re not nice so be safe all.
Thanks so much for taking the time to make this comparison! I’m in the research phase of buying a motorhome & can’t decide between a diesel or gas motor! This helps a ton!!!
Please let us know what your decision was. Thanks
Great video agree with you completely. We have a newmar canyon star and have liquid spring suspension on rear and will be putting on front here shortly. That gives us are diseal ride with much of the comforts of diseal amenities inside with a bunch of money left in the bank.
I wish you had brought safety items like air brakes and exhaust brake on the diesel. This let's you go down step hills with more confidence .
Exhaust breaks? Engine breaking?
@@capwkidd Yes diesels have them - hence the moe $$$ you pay for a diesel - hence more $$ for maintenance -
Do air brakes really give you a shorter stopping distance, though? Typically the tire grip is the limiting factor of an emergency stop.
@@directorjustin Of course tires are a factor in conjunction with your braking power - hence the bigger tires on a diesel pusher - or a tractor-trailer..
@@stephenf98 and also the weight of the Diesel RV plays a role in traction.
EPIC. You make it so simple. Looking to either continue upgrades or move up. Always wanted a diesel. Not so sure now. 26 foot Georgie Boy Pursuit. 2 people and a dog. Never had a bad time travelling. 454 Chevy gas. 60K miles. Working on cosmetics and the roof. We have a blast. Wish I had a 45 foot Prevost. But a 36 foot anything diesel would be the bomb. We'll keep rolling. Don't go far anyway. LOL. Thanks Matt
This will be one of your most watched vids. Good job brother
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Smile's per gallon! Epic
I just bought a 30 foot gas,,I went with gas because I can wrench it myself,I can do spark plugs,oil changes,filters,brakes,etc.I don’t have to pay the outrageous service cost on a diesel pusher. The noise up front doesn’t bother me at all,once you’re up to speed you don’t hear the engine. Went with a short because I can still get it into the lakes and boondocks,only limitations being water tank size,easy to work around that. I’ve had a diesel and won’t ever go back…
I would like to see a comparison of a Class A and a Super C.
Thanks for this comparison Matt. You and Andrea provide a great service,
Me too
Same
I second that!
Super C is louder because motor is up front.
Matt, we bought our first Motorhome in June, a 2000 Newmar Dutch Star 38’ Diesel Pusher. When we purchased it we had done over 2 years of research and watching RVTrader to find the perfect Coach. While I agree that Diesel costs a bit more to maintain we found one that had been maintained meticulously by the one and only owner so we were able to land a great deal on a great Coach. Sine June we have traveled from AZ to Virginia and back and logged over 17K miles. This is the primary reason we wanted a diesel Pusher. While not full time we are retired and want to see as much of the.country as possible. PS it drives like a dream. 😁
Appreciate all the information regarding gas and diesal motorhomes. Also, do appreciate your unbiased opinions.
Our first motorhome was a 2003 31’ class c… we drove the crap out of it. Kids, boat, river trips was great. Now about to retire and going to go travel for 2 years so we found an amazing deal on a 2012 Liberty triple slide coach. This is a home on wheels, tons of room and storage and can tow anything.
Start gas then if you need diesel then make the move.
Waiting for the Super C comparison!
We are on our 5th motorhome 4 Winabeggos' in a row 3 gas and finally a Vectra Diesel. Now we are in a Holiday Rambler Endeavor Diesel. Our last two were diesels, and I cant describe how much more we love our diesels. There is no comparison for us!. Glad you came right out and said it in the first minute of the video.
Thank you so much Matt for doing the side by side comparisons. There is so much contradictory information out there and it was nice to get an unbiased perspective. My wife and I are in the research part of our journey to full time RVing and we love your show.
Hey Matt, a deal breaker for my wife is most diesel pushers have a step for the rear bath, walk-in closet, and/or one side of the bed over the engine.
Please do that video Class A to Super C. This was great! I sent a question thru the website and have not heard back :(. Great channel and reviews
I bought a secondhand 27-year-old Fleetwood pace arrow diesel pusher with only 80,000 miles on it they use it every year they had it since it was three years old so for 24 years they drove down to the coast of California and were people that cared for the park and took care of it they were the host of the park. It has solid oak interior it has tile countertops it is a very nice motorhome and I am learning how to maintain it because it is very expensive to maintain it has different moving parts it’s got bigger tires everything Matt said is true but it is splendid to drive and it is 27 years old. Nice job Matt thank you sir nice presentation. And Andrea you had a lot to say today LOL. Thanks you guys
As a Gas class A owner, I agree with everything Matt said. No matter what RV you buy your still going to get to your destination.
I love my Kountry Aire Diesel 38ft.
I had a gas class A, smaller coachman
It seemed it was made cheap
Wow!! We've enjoyed all your videos, Matt and we give this one the highest score! Excellent job!!
I don't think there is a perfect or better RV, it's which is the right one for you. We all have different needs and likes and budgets. Thanks Matt.
I loved the video. I really didn't know what the differences were. I love the way you explain things. Thanks, Matt!❤️
Before we bought our DP, we were advised to find the floor plan we really wanted first. You live on the inside. I we spent the last 4 years living in it. The ride really matters, the comfort driving it was wonderful, it worked out well. Yes they cost money to maintain, but they all will cost money to maintain. We’ll be selling ours next year as our lifestyle is changing again for a few years. I would be very interested in the DP to Super C comparison as well. It will be hard getting a motorhome without all the power we have in this one for sure!!!
I want to see the super C comparison too!
Have had both a gasser and now a diesel. If you have short trips, young kids and/or a very tight budget, there are some nice gassers. We moved up to a diesel for a better ride, less noise and more power, bigger tanks including fuel, more slides and overall better floor plans. The diesel has more items to service but we love ours.
Do the comparison of a super c vs class A!
Slim watching this from Wash D.C. u are the most honest person being straight forward about selling these Motorhomes!!! If I was looking I would fly to wherever u are and buy from U!!! Great super Great Review!!! U make a person want to buy one I am really blown away by your honesty sir!!
Sound advice. Are the upgrades that you want over what is needed worth the financial impact for the actual time you will use the RV? Full-time traveling vs Full-time at RV resort is another factor.
Finding the perfect RV solution is as individual as buying the perfect Pair of Jeans.
This is going to be so educational.
Excellent comparison review from a realistic point of view with no side bars or silly stuff in between. Our time is precious to us as well. Thank U
Smiles per gallon! Love it.
My Diesel pusher gets 12.1 miles per gallon. Our V10 was 6/7 on a lot of down hills! Good video enjoyed! You were right on tag axle coach, 8 on rear with 2 drive tires! 10
Getting a diesel worked on will cost you a lot more for sure.
1000. For me it's the Formex. The Monta has an amazing unboxing. Formex lug to lug does it for me. The dial on the Formex chronometer etc
Hi Matt,
We have owned both a Class A gas and Class A Diesel Pusher.
1) Price difference:Isn't just for the engine /transmission package as the diesel pusher (DP) is going to have upgrades throughout the interior & exterior as well as other mechanical systems like water heater, suspension, heater, luxury accouterments, etc which are included at the higher overall price (which Matt points out at the end of the video).
2) length: valid debate. The shorter the coach, the more camp sites you can fit into. That's why the shortest 35-37' DPs are so desirable. Our 1st RV was a 32' gas class A and we fit everywhere. Our current RV is a 37' DP and we fit into most State Parks & National Parks. However, you can fit just about anything into private parks but they are usually more expensive since they receive no State or Federal subsidies, are outside desirable National Parks, and vary as to their upkeep.
3) Ride: no comparison. The F53 sits on leaf springs front & rear while the Diesel pusher rides on air bags and in some cases with independent front suspension. The F53 can be modded to perform better but even then, the DP will ride better. Tire size does matter as Matt points out. The larger footprint provides greater stability but also can run lower tire pressures and still meet the weight carrying requirements. If your budget points to gas, research and do the worthwhile upgrades.
4) Noise: The gas engine rides upfront between the driver & passenger seats under an insulated 'doghouse' engine cover while the DP is out back. Standing/ idling sound OK, Getting to 60 mph...DP is quicker & quieter...Climbing hills (not mentioned)...No comparison. The gas will be revving very high and trans downshifting as low as possible while the DP will crush the hill with locomotive type strength with much lower RPMs. (Depends on engine size...Ours is a Cummins L9 w/450 hp / 1,250 ft lbs of torque). Again, owned both and have crossed the Rockies. Edit ~ Not mentioned: Braking performance. What goes up must come down. The diesels offer engine braking. Ours is 2 stage (3 or all 6 cylinder exhaust valve opening) which is great. We descend hills at the posted speed while in full control. Gas you can downshift but will be pushing revs near the limit.
5)Exterior Storage: Matt explains the differences very well. However, some gas models, even though shorter than the DP, will have greater storage in measured cubic feet but will not have the pass through advantage. Still, plenty of room with either. Load your unit and go camping...then come home and take out all the stuff you didn't need😉.
6)Towing: Bravo Matt!... for pointing out that your rig should be weighed before towing. We load ours up for travel mode...full tank fuel, fresh water tank full, etc and drive to a truck stop where they usually have a CAT Scale. Safety first.
7)Ownership Cost: Don't overlook resale differences but Matt's Final Opinion & Closing Thoughts are 100% accurate. Well done Matt.
great video. Being nearly 65 and wanting to buy my first RV, I really appreciate the subject matter.
Dynamite information in a short period of time. Entertaining as always, thank you Matt!
Learned a lot even though I had a large Class A gas model (2014 Thor Outlaw) for many years. If we full time, its diesel for sure!
Love the review of differences. Wpuld be nice to see a review about maintenance for rv's.
If his video showed maintenance shops, then you would really get pissed off!!! They are necessary evils, but I wouldn't give you a dime for any of them. All are SLOW, INEFFICIENT AND COSTLY!!!
@@jlarm3 not shops, like what things you should know about when you buy an rv. Like what you need to know about maintenance. On a rv , or travel trailer or 5th wheel. And what you should consider when you decide.
How You camp that's Awesome Advice. I like the Fact that You keep it real and Honest with People. You are really One of the Best.
Good review, Matt. I love you bringing them onto the road and compare the driving. Please do more for other models, and add more feelings, etc. Also, how the headlight performance at night? I love the look of these Entegra, but how do they perform in the real world at night or in heavy rains? Our whole family's life depending on the safety of the vehicle if we purchase a class A. I'd love to see how safe these class As are.
Me too. Please do a video to compare a class A diesel and a Super C diesel somewhat at the same price point
Has the Godzilla engine made any difference in getting a gas class A ?
Hi Matt, we own a 2005 Winnebago Adventurer, and our experience is, on flat ground, we're happy. But when we went to Colorado, we really needed a diesel!
They both get you from point A to point B
So I think gas 🌬 is a great choice. Plus they are both equipped for comfort. Great video Matt. 👍🏻👍🏻
thanks i'm an old trucker and i can service a diesel motor cheaper than a service center plus i like diesel motors better
More Super C Video's PLEASE...pretty please :)
From your reviews is the reason why we picked up a class a Diesel Pusher went down to Tampa Bay Florida picked it up from Lazy Days. Best buying experience ever!
I wish they made 22 23 foot class A
Seems Diesel generators are loud
I have a diesel generator and it's pretty quiet. If I have it on while driving it's kind of a low rumble or hum on the inside. Outside might be a little louder than a diesel pickup idling, but not by much.
OK, here's the funny part. The smaller diesel gens (6KW) are louder than the larger ones (10-12.5KW). I think the larger ones operate at a lower RPM. If you get into the big Prevost conversions, they install those 20KW gens in a soundproof box and really quiet them down. (because they are liquid cooled). Also the diesel gens seem quieter because they generally are mounted up front in the nose, rather than near the rear by the bedroom.
@@jlarm3 This could be true. I have a 12.5 Onan Quietgen in the nose. It's a 3 cylinder, water cooled Kabota. Never really paid much attention to the smaller generators.
This is the best, yes I said THE BEST, video that gives the facts about the difference between gas and diesel motorhomes! Well worth watching and so helpful! I've been shopping for a compatible used RV for fulltime living in my later years. I grew up driving diesel trucks and semis, so am very confident in driving them. But I always wondered if the difference was great enough to justify the cost difference between the gas rig or the diesel one. Matt does such a good job of explaining it, and even revealed a few things I was not aware of before. Highly Recommend Matt's video to anyone looking to purchase an RV.
Great video! I have been looking for someone to do this comparison! I would love to have a diesel pusher but I just don’t think the cost is worth it for the amount of trips we will be taking. Also I think as far as on the road repairs, I think it will be a lot easier to find Ford dealers around to work on these motors if something goes wrong with it.
There is one point I would like to raise with you Matt.... to be really fair you should have tested the diesel pusher with the sound meter at the rear of the vehicle as close as you did with the gas vehicle !!
I’m looking for a gas motor home that I can full time in .
My parents full time in a 2005 Fleetwood Southwind with the 8.1L Chevy & Allison 5 speed. Been a good coach for them.
Check out the Entegras that Matt was showing in this video. We just bought a gas Vision XL and are really happy with the quality. We don't feel like we sacrificed much by not spending an extra 100K on a DP. Interior is very modern with no carpet, has solid counter tops, plenty of storage bays etc
We Full timed in our 2011 Fleetwood Bounder (Gas) for almost 5 years. Now we use it 4-6 months a year and it has worked well for us.
MyRebel44 buy a Tiffin with a floor plan you like hands down the best company only company still family owned
Great vid...as a truck driver I can attest to the cost of operating a Diesel engine... Especially a modern day diesel engine they are very complicated run on DEF and have very complicated emissions equipment on them... So based on what I know of today’s diesel engines I’d prefer Gas... Obviously the Diesel can pull more weight than the gas but the result will be the same either way lots of fun and good times...The Mrs. and I went with a gas engine
I really appreciated this unbiased information....
Many times people feel they must go overboard to get what they really... Don't Need.....
Thanks for the honesty - agree that diesel overall better than gasser, but not worth the price (for my first rig). In the end, its about getting out and enjoying the journey! And making memories for a lifetime.
Great video. I am just to spoiled. We just spent the last 5 days in the Texas Hill Country near Kerrville. Camping in our Mountain Aire during near freezing weather. Some of the benefits you didn't mention for the diesel like how well it climbs hills, How nice the engine breaking is when going down hills and how nice the Oasis heat system is.
Yes I have gone camping in a small gas coach. I think the gas coach is the way most people who arn't retired should be looking.
if you like going up hills slower than the rest of the traffic while getting passed be semi truck please get the gas engine. for everyone else get the diesel, you will be glad you did.
Great assessment. I have been RV'ing for 25 years now and have owned three large slide-in campers, three medium to very large 5th wheels, a gas Class A and one Diesel pusher with the big 8.3 Cummins. I've never personally owned but have used a Class C as well. Which is best? It depends on your individual needs. If I was full timing and it was my home, Diesel pusher all the way. We are not full timers and never spend more than 4 or 5 weeks in the RV at one time before returning to our house. We also like to bring our Harley's or other toys, so right now we have a 45' long toy hauler 5th wheel. If you can, rent one before buying one before you spend $$$$$$$.
I think another potential consideration is resale and / or longevity. Most of those diesel engines can easily go a million miles and so the RV likely carries with it a higher resale value for longer period. I guess you could always replace or rebuild a gas motor if you are putting enough miles on it but there would be likely no return for that if it was sold. Maybe you should consider how long you intend ownership and then reevaluate the price / costs too.
I agree with all the factors stated in this vid except for fuel economy. I own a 2016 Coachmen 35BH w/v10 gas, and a 2017 Thor Aria 3901 w/360 Cummins Diesel. The gas RV gets 6.5mpg the diesel gets 10mpg. That is a massive difference if you multiply it across hundreds of gallons and/or thousands of miles traveled. The diesel eats less fuel and goes much further on a tank.
We have a Tiffin front end diesel. It's extremely maneuverable, which is great. The engine noise is loud in the cab, which is not as great.