We just purchased a 1999 Class A Diesel Pusher two weeks ago. It is in beautiful condition, super clean, well maintained and we couldn’t be happier! Just over 100,000 miles so it has many, many more miles left to go. The Freightliner chassis is beefy and solid. We think if you can find an older Motorhome in great shape, go for it! We love ours! Oh, and we are living in it full-time as well.
I'm looking to get something similar to what you have gotten but I am worried about roof and other areas of the body leaking etc. Is it true these need to be contstantly maintained?
I've discovered that gently used anything is the way to go. This from someone who used to have more than enough money...until after divorce. In hindsight I see clearly how much money was wasted. Should the good Lord bless me with wealth again, I'd still absolutely go with gently used, hands down.
We bought our first RV five years ago. It is a 2006 42' Monaco Dynasty Class A diesel pusher. We thought about going new, but since it was our first RV we decided to go used for a couple of reasons. 1. If we didn't like it it wouldn't cost us as much to get out of it. 2. Our salesman was very honest. He told us that new RV's spend most of the first year in the shop. He said that with a used one the previous owner has worked all the bugs out of it. We have found this to be true. As for the 10 year rule we haven't had an issue. Most parks tell us our motorhome looks new. They ask if we are pulling their leg when we tell them the year. I definitely recommend going used for your first RV.
Great video, and its true. I bought a 2002 Holiday Rambler Imperial back in 2007. Its now 21 years old and was built on the Monaco S chassis (Semi Monocoque). We have driven all over the US several times over. My total repairs add up to about $2000 over the 20 years. It now has very close to 200,000 miles and continues to run and drive like a dream. I have had 6 motorhomes before this one, non came close. We have also upgraded the technology, even adding a WiFi connected monitor and control so I can see tank levels on my phone, operate lights and slides. Still looks good and have never been turned away from a campground after inspection.
Agree with you 100% - We have a 2004 40' Newmar Mountain Aire and love how simple it is. If I could have bought one with roll up windows I would have. I got to upgrade all the components with what i wanted. We have been full time in it for 1 1/2 years. Why I choose older: Pre-DEF, issues worked out, upgraded everything with what works for us, Cost (10% invested on what the same model would be new). The 10 year rule has never been an issue for us. We only use campgrounds and typically stay a week to a month. They key is finding one with good bones. Appreciate your videos!
As with anything else (RV and otherwise) KNOWING yourself and what you want, your intentions and limitations are your first steps. There's at least 5 major systems in every RV: 1) Water/Plumbing, 2) Electrical, 3) HVAC, 4) Electronics 5) Mechanical. If you are unwilling or uncomfortable to build first-hand independent knowledge of ALL these systems (but still want an RV) and think you can buy your way clear of them - BE PREPARED FOR EXASPERATION regardless of how much you paid. Over the past 5 years manufacturers have scaled up production to meet unprecedented demand but all that means is they have to get stuff out faster. About the only place left for manufacturers to lean out production costs is quality control steps - thereby passing the discovery to the dealer. As most dealers have minimal testing facilities this means it's now up to the buyer of a new RV to discover failed components. This vid makes a great point "Where will you be when something goes wrong and you have only a limited availability and locations to resolve these troubles "under warranty." Now, thanks to high-volume (not high-quality) production objectives, warranty servicing is overloaded and you're more likely to be facing long delays, parts shortages and other frustrating limitations. It's a classic case of passing the buck, except in this case it's thousands of bucks ...and buying new means it's all out of YOUR pocket. A used but updated and maintained RV means the previous owner has already found and corrected most of these issues. By buying direct (privately) from the previous owner you can also assess the nature of the individual you're buying from, and most importantly why they're selling. New or Old you're buying problems too, the only question now is how many are now solved with the specific rig you've bought, and how many options are available for you to correct them?
We bought a 2003 Tiffin Phaeton Class A never had a problem with the 10 year rule. It is insured with Good Sams. Solid sturdy construction. We put a fresh coat of paint inside and some other decorative upgrades. Absolutely love it. and no where near the expense of a newer RV
I LOVE my 1998 C class! I'm not a full timer and primarily use it when I race on the weekends. At my leisure I completely renovated the interior and friends with newer RV's prefer set up. The only thing left to do is to paint the exterior so it looks as good outside as it is inside!
I am SDOOO glad to hear this! I just bought a 2005 Jayco Greyhawk! And, per your recommendation, I am taking the NRVTA training. I am a 60-year-old Nana with a handicapped husband, and we decided to go for it!
I’m so thrilled to hear you aren’t letting whatever is going on with your husband stop you from doing what you want to do. People ask us “what if” & we just say, you work with it & ensure the needs are met. It’s just as easy to take diabetic medication in a RV as it is in a house. Rare that accommodations can’t be made.
Great video. Do you know if trailers vs RVs have the same rule about “age appropriate” in campgrounds? I found a 1972 vintage but after watching your video it made me question if this would be a wise decision for being able to park in RV parks throughout the US. Thank you.
Good for y’all! You’ll have a blast! I just took the NRTVA class for owners, and it was great: you can’t find better people ANYWHERE! I’m 64 and my husband is 76 and disabled, and we will hit the road on Dec 1! God bless y’all!
We bought a 2005 Newmar and have had endless problems. It was a great deal, we thought. I can say we've had no problem due to the age of it when staying at campgrounds. They ask for pictures and it's been no problem.
Whether you buy new or used, get the RV inspected BEFORE you buy. I’ve had both new and used, and it just depends on the rig. Two of the same rig (same age, same maker) can be in completely different shape based on how they are used, how careful the previous owner/manufacturer was in maintaining/building the rig. Regardless, they require attention, just like anything else (human body, car, home, relationships). Life and all her bits will always require regular attention.
We have really enjoyed your videos and honesty. I love that you’re Dave Ramsey followers with NO debt. That is how we live also and another great reason why we follow you. We watched this video last night and I keep thinking about it and I just opened it up to put a response on here and LOVED hearing everyone sharing their thoughts and experiences also. We have a 2004 Simba Safari Monaco gas 34 ft. It has been GREAT. My husband is about to retire and we are planning on going full time and was really considering to move up to a 2014 or 2017 and after watching and reading these comments it has really made me reconsider. I thank you for sharing this information on your opinion and everyone else’s comments too. We have a 2011 Ford Explorer and we are able to pull it but haven’t done it yet. Has anyone on here have an older RV and pulls something as big as an Explorer. Of course we do cash with everything and we have such low miles on our car we would never get back a good price if we sell it. Anyway, this is a long response from me, but I truly appreciate this video. I hope you do another one like this. I’d love for you to do a meet up with RV owners with older models and we can compare and chit chat about something we all have in common. ❤😊 I’ll see you on the next video or see you on the road 😜
Thanks so much for the comment and for watching! We are planning on selling our Jeep and getting a suburban or Yukon XL for a tow vehicle as our family has outgrown our Jeep. So we will eventually be towing something larger. Maybe we will see you out there sometime! We are working on next summer’s caravan so stay tuned….
It would be nice to have full hook up campgrounds that have a lot of trees and remote feel like most national forest and parks campgrounds, and less like a glorified walmart parking lot. They are so rare. One of our lottery dreams lol
14 years ago, I bought a 2000 Tioga c class 24 footer, from the old couple that bought it new. 18,000 miles at the time. Now has about 42,000 on it. I don't travel too far, to use it. I'm into dirt bikes, so I take it on less than good roads, but take it easy. I tow a 16 foot box trailer with bikes and tools, etc. It has no slides, or fancy electronics...not even a TV. I maintain it myself, and it is pretty straightforward, for a gear head. Never had a breakdown, or problems with it. I have many friends who have opted to buy newer, fancier units, and they are constant money pits. Older, simpler units, that have been maintained, and stored properly, are gold. I have been offered twice what I paid for mine, multiple times, by people who fell for the new gadget traps, and regret it. Can't stay in the 10 year rule campgrounds, and I'm not interested in staying there anyway. Lots of snobs, and phonies flexing about how much they spent for their gadgets. To me, RVs are about getting away from people, not hanging out in a country club. Find a nice old RV, and enjoy a campfire, instead of satellite internet, and rich douchbags. 😀
We too bought a 2002 Safari diesel pusher. Solid wood cabinets, built like a beast. We have the CAT engine that can go forever. Sad part is we have to sell due to health. But loved the trips we went on.
Man the safari’s are beautiful and having the cat engine is huge in my opinion. We looked at a few safari’s before ultimately decided with all the modifications we were going to need to make, our current coach was the right decision.
We bought our first rv last year (2022)and it was 20 years old. My husband is a fantastic mechanic. He has put about 10 thousand dollars in parts and repairs. We plan on retiring next year and traveling more.
Well done!! We bought our first RV (class C) in 1993.. it was 20 years okd and had been a former boss’s (he passed. we bought it from his widow who never went into it ) it was his HUNTING/ FISHING ‘cabin’😜 We had 3 young ones. It was a challenge! It had the true orange SHAG carpeting etc😂 It has been some of the most funny memories our kids have🤷♀️ When baby #4 came along we went to a 36’ TT (no slides) that one I had the most fun in. Blessings on your new adventures!!
Some were built better. Look for something that was high end in it's day. There are certain brands and levels of quality that I would stick to. Then have an inspection done by a third party who checks EVERYTHING. Never take a dealer's word for something and never sign on the dotted line until all repairs have been made. Don't think that just because it's a new RV everything is perfect. Quality in the RV industry has gotten very bad. Do your research.
I love shiny new objects however, we always buy used. Why? The original owner will eat the first few years of depreciation on an RV or boat or car/truck. Saves a ton of money that way. And plus, many times, they will also have hopefully fixed any of the first year, or two, issues that inevitably come up. So, for us, win/win.
Great video! Yup, agree with the pros and cons of new vs. used, pretty accurate assessment guys! In December 2020, literally on the last day of the year, we purchased a model year leftover (2020) Newmar Dutch Star, which we absolutely love. However, the dreaded DEF head failure reared its ugly head shortly afterwards, fortunately while still under warranty, otherwise that would have been a hefty bill. But even going forward, given the highly publicized and well-known high failure rate of DEF heads, the issue is always in the back of my mind. What a ridiculous emissions solution - derate the engine of a 50,000 pound coach down so that it will only go 5 mph in the middle of an interstate highway while surrounded by heavy traffic! The system response to a DEF head failure is worse than the failure itself, people can be killed because of this, absolutely asinine! I have written to local and state representatives about this issue until I'm sure they are tired of hearing from me - GRRRR! But I digress, there are many advantages to buying used, but no matter which way you go, my advice is to ALWAYS hire an RV inspector, even if buying new, heck, especially if buying new!
Happy to hear about your experiences with an older RV. We bought a 20+ year old motorhome because it was cheap enough for us to pay cash and we've put a lot into repairs and upgrades, it was a high end model and in good shape. It's still nowhere near what a new one would cost either. This will last us a good while.
What you said is all true. Wife and I bought a 2002 Newmar Kountry Star diesel pusher, cummins engine, two slides, four years ago. Everything is manual, except the slide and the electric solenoid on the fuel pump. I do 90% of all the work but when I don't, I go to a frieghtliner shop. In and out normally in one or two days, never to an RV shop. I am the fourth owner, 82,000 miles and $30,000 later it was mine. I allowed $15,000 for new tires, a bumper to bumper check at frieghtliner with all new fluid. In four years I have spent another $15,000, almost new now. We spend three to five months traveling. Is it worth it? Yes. Is it cost effective? I say, what is the value of memories. As seniors with the national park lifetime pass, we stay 50% off. We also dry camp more often now, memories. If you like nature, don't wait. I recommend used class A diesel before 2010, for many reasons. Happy trails.
My husband and I have been thinking about buying an RV but he doesn’t want a class A! I do but it has to be small enough for most state and national parks! But for now we are thinking of renting something smaller to see if I can even get into one and stand to ride in it! I have mobility problems and chronic back pain that I am being treated for! I’m also a dialysis patient and would love to travel with a portable dialysis machine called NxStage which was designed to fit an RV or boat! Hubby said at first he wanted a gas RV but then I pointed out that my nephew is a diesel mechanic!
Plus A Diesel engine U can push to A 1 Million Miles. Maybe more as long U do All U-R Maintenance on the Engine it will take care of U. Just Like Truck Drivers. Stay Safe Good Luck Remember to use good GPs Or Truck Routes.
We just bought a 2007 Tiffin Allegro Bus. Used is the way to go. It’s our 2nd RV we’ve owned. You’d be surprised how nice the older ones are when taken care of. On both, never had an issue of the 10 year rule.
We have been traveling in our 2004 Monaco 40' high end class A for the last 2 1/2 years. We were denied access to only one RV park traveling. This RV park was in Las Vegas. but there were other parks that took us in. If they have a year limit, usually a couple pictures will do the trick, as our motorhome is in good shape. All there really trying to do is keep the junk out of there park, and I understand that, but just to be denied access just because of age is counter productive for a park. This summer we have mostly been staying at dispersed camping or BLM land out west..
I think a determining fact is that the cost of new to newer, those under 5 years old, being as much as a sticks & bricks home. There are a lot of older RVs that have been well taken care of, probably not updated, but that's lipstick & rouge. I've also seen where people are painting & rewrapping the exterior so that it looks newer which makes getting in to age restricted campgrounds easier.
We bought a 2006 Country Coach Inspire, absolutely LOVE it. Purchased from Premier Rv of Oregon, best place for service and purchase. Unit has a Cat C9, tows a F150 with no problem.
How experienced were you and your husband with fixing mechanical (you already maintained and modified cars for example.) or household electrical or plumbing?
This video resonates with me. We purchased a 20 year old Fleetwood Discovery diesel pusher with 79K on the odometer. We are mainly weekend campers and maintain a sticks and brick home too. We paid cash and perform most of the repairs and maintenance ourselves. And as you mentioned, the build quality is outstanding. All of our furniture is covered in real leather, and our cabinets and doors are made of real wood.
In 2016 we wanted to try RVing for dog shows. Bought a quality 20 year old class A gas. Enjoyed it until we constantly ran into the problem with obsolete parts. After four years we sold it and moved up to a 2013 class A gas. We picked 2013 because it was before schwintek slides and computerized lighting controls; love simpler things like regular old switches. No warranty or service plans for either rig. The 1996 is a much better build than 2013. I would never buy new because I want to spend more time camping and not be in for repairs. No one is building a quality class A that is simple. We like our propane fridge and old fashioned wall switches. We will keep ours another ten years minimum - until parts are obsolete. 😊
We bought a 2005 Fleetwood Terra 32' Class A in 2018 due to its affordability. Other than a blow-out (took two 2yo tires with 10k on them) we've experienced what I would consider normal maintenance items. I will say however that it helps to have mechanical/electrical experience as with any older vehicle, PM's are a must. Just sealed all the windows & roof penetrations & am I'm now working on the KwiKee power step having a mind of its own. With the tire blowout ($1500 for roadside repair with 2 new tires!) we're at $400/year for maintenance costs. Not considering the blowout we're at $150/year including new master cylinder, brakes & rear calipers this year. I vote for used as ours will go another 10 years easily with our big gas 8.1L & 44k on the ODO.
My class C is almost 25 yrs old and still doing great. Ive never had an issue getting in a park. Its been well maintained and kept clean. I almost sold it right before covid started to get a newer one . After seeing the problems with covid era rv's I'm sure glad I didnt do it.
We are not full timers. Our first tv was a older trailer. I was not sure I was into camping but my wife grew up camping. We keep it for over 5 years and doubled our profit and upgraded to a larger. We bought it and it was about 7 years old. It got damaged from a hailstorm and insurance totaled it. Our 3rd rv we also bought used and kept it for about 20 years and just upgraded this last spring. It was still in great shape and we sold it ourselves. We people came to look they could not believe it was 25 years old. It was in very good shape. The wife wanted a bigger trailer since I have retired and are camping a lot more now. I think used is the way to go if you can wait and find what you want it took us about 2 years to find this one. We really enjoy this one.
You basically just backed up my lottery fantasy, having basically enough money set aside to buy new, then buy used (probably a Thor Majestic 30 footer) and use the left over money to modernize/fix up. It would need cameras, mattress(es), crash mitigation system, tires, run flat for the steers, fire suppression, and I could go on, starting, of course, with an inspection.
I would go with the used because of the depreciation factor like a car. My opinion. I have read and heard that new RV's quality in construction is not that great. What your are stating in your video concerning the upkeep of the brand new RV's is a nightmare!
we own a 99' Tradewinds from National and we love the quality of construction. Solid CAT diesel engine with and Alison transmission - sure is fun passing folks on those mountain passes! I agree that being basic even I can work on most things inside with some (RUclips support of course - Hillbilly RV and AZExpert have been very helpful). As far as the 10yr rule, we too have had very few experiences with that and when we did they only asked for a picture in advance of accepting our reservation - no problem... Have we had break downs? you bet $3k for a broken air compressor line which included a tow but because its diesel a truck repair shop in Quanah Texas (thank you 287 Diesel Service!) quickly had us up and running (3 days whilst we stayed in the rig in the truck yard with power and water) would see that at any Ford dealership.
We went FT 5 years ago in a 99 National Tropical. Buying it was the best decision we ever made. We haven't had any drivetrain problems to date. Sure, we've had many minor issues, but it has never seen the inside of a repair shop as we have been able to fix them all ourselves. Luckily our roadside assistance plan has remained unused so far. It is indeed well made. We have a gasser, so won't be passing many folks in the mountains, but we haven't found a grade we couldn't climb yet - and believe me, we've tried. We like to boondock most of the time and really appreciate the lighter weight of a gasser when taking it down muddy, rutted fire roads, through pastures or across sand washes.
We have a 2007 Exel 5th Wheel and LOVE IT. I am a HUGE advocate of older RVs for the very reason you describe. They were built BETTER. Yes, we are heavier and have less storage in the belly than new 5th wheels, but I have yet to see a floor plan I like better and I am AMAZED by our trailer's beauty and quality every single time we take her out! I LOVE your videos and your RV!
We also have a 20+ year old gasser rv. Our rv sat up several years in overhead storage before we bought it. We had lots of work to do before we could start making trips like complete roof coverage, shower drain leak’s repair, replacing hot water tanks, awning replacement, step motor replacement, leveling fluid leaks and all 6 tire replacements. Yes, the work took over 4 months to complete but she is completely dependable. I just believe that the older models are just put together differently but the newer models have a lot more bells and whistles. Thank you for all your great videos of information and how to do it yourself.
After having bought a new gas Class A in 2017 and spent a substantial amount in upgrading the chassis I would now rather buy a used Class A Diesel or if available a gas RV with liquid springs. That said, we will keep our Newmar Canyon Star as Long as it lasts as it has given us little headache and now drives great.
We chose an older class A for many of the same reasons you mentioned - Living debt free is important to us, as it is to you, so an older rig allowed us to pay cash for a 2000 Foretravel U320 and leave us enough for repairs and upgrades including 4,7000 watts of solar and large battery bank. Grateful we don't need to plug in, when moochdocking or boondocking... and we can avoid RV parks, 10 year rule or not (though it's never been an issue for us) Thank you for sharing the many benefits of older RV's!
I think the older rvs are built better, sturdier then the newer ones that are priced outrageous and cheaper made. As I type this your saying this same thing, lol
I was always kind of confused by a blanket age limitation. But then we did some stays at places that did not have that limitation. It was immediately clear. Some of the RVs we saw were so trashy and it often matched the people that owned them. A trashy RV was matched by a trashy site with garbage everywhere, dogs left outside all day, party all night. If I am paying $100/night, the last thing I want is to have a site next to Cousin Eddie and his 6 feral children.
We bought a 2006 Fleetwood Providence 39L last winter after losing our home in Ft. Myers due to IAN. We have never RV'd ...but why not...so over the past 7 months, we have been rehabbing, learning etc. And we paid cash!!! So we are off to Ft. Myers in November to start the adventure!! Hopefully to the Keys next season!!! Great Channel!
I personally prefer used, and can remodel.went with friends to travel in brand new fifth wheel their mini mansion 😊 once we setup at campground, opened up slides ready to relax turn on the fireplace just for ambiance ,from the travel it shifted and came out of wall.eek.then a window in slide-out was not sealed. Just was not built so great. I had a 24ft old Shasta (my childhood camper purchased from parents).loved, loved it..
As with many things in life, there are benefits and trade-offs. When it comes to owning an older RV I think you make some compelling reasons for why you should. You do a great job sharing those reasons. The only part I would take caution is when you share about your lack of having to deal with diesel emissions due to your rig being an older diesel pusher. I owned a post-2010 Fleetwood diesel pusher myself with the emission system and went to Freightliner University and learned all about the science of it. Is it perfect? For sure no - the complexity and the DEF sensors are a pain for many diesel owners. But when you look at the record heat and climate change impact emissions are making right now worldwide, no matter what you feel about climate change, it may be a little tone deaf to say there is a benefit of older RVs as you spew higher amounts of carbon into the air as you recreate in your older RV. Every time I see a pre-2010 diesel engine spew the black smoke I cringe. I suggest tweaking that part of your story when us RV'ers are unfairly blamed for contributing to climate change by people outside the RV community.
Yes we bought A 2001 Fleetwood bounder 36u for cash one owner well maintained with only 12k miles on it.. but it is gas not diesel only down side .. great video THANK you
Man made climate change? BwaaHaaHaa! I'm guessing you got the shots and voted for Obama? Just a guess. In a couple of years they'll tell you DEF is a carcinogen and you need a replacement engine that needs some other chemical additive provided by a company that contributes to a certain political party.
My husband and I both believe that new is not the way to go. Especially after covid. The quality of vehicles, both small vehicles and RVs just isn't what it used to be. We bought a 2017 Tiffin Bus last year. Yes, the price was more than we wanted to pay, but it was exactly what we wanted for his retirement. We will be going full time in 7 months. We couldn't be happier. Hope to see you out there some time!
Used all day long. Having a NRVIA Inspection is a must before purchasing though. Bought a 2005 Itasca Class-A Gasser June of 2022, and like you said, have not run into any weight issues even with full tanks and towing a car. Storage is different then the pass throughs, however, we are not even close to maximizing our open space. Finally, you can update the Chassis, Electrical, Entertainment and Living area's however you want and not have to worry about re-sale values. We have a quote for full body paint ($18k). Even with that expense, we will be under $60k in total dollars invested. That's the same amount of money that 30 monthly payments of a 15-year loan (180 months) will run you for a similarly equipped brand new Class-A coach. ;-)
Used - look for a well maintained low mileage. We bought a 2003 Bounder in 2015 0nly 36,000 verified miles, looked great, no leaks never a mechanical problem and used it for 5 years. We paid a rousing 35,000 dollars, we updated and added items. Storage was great. We sold it in even better condition for 29,000 dollars. We sold it within 2 days of listing it. We did add an Extended Warranty (service contract actually from USAA) never needed it. We did all the upgrades ourselves. We did have a mobile service do our regular oil changes, etc (even though I could have done them, (mechanic for many years) We also found mobile detailing services where we went, so it always looked like new. Met many people who wished they had bought used first, found what they liked before buying new and were disappointed.
I want to comment that the "old RVs are better" rule applies to Class B RVs, too. I bought a 16-year-old Class B, and after seeing so many videos about bad quality in new Class B's, I can attest that, in general, quality was substantially better before 2008. Many of the later problems have to do with the recession, technology, the electronics, and complexity and, in diesels, DEF and other emissions systems. Older RVs are simpler with many fewer potential points of failure. I have had to do some of the expected normal wear and tear repairs but nothing compared to the total failures and disasters of some newer Class B vans. All major components worked perfectly upon my purchase and still do. Even those components, like fridge, A/C, furnace, water heater, etc. were built better back then. The "upgrades" that new RVs have are because those components are cheaper for manufacturers to buy, but the RV manufacturers and dealers make you think the newer components are better. For example, a 12-volt compressor fridge is a fraction of the cost of an absorption fridge, and my absorption fridge works very well and has no moving internal parts. Since RV manufacturers are pushing induction stove tops, they also have to push electric power and, therefore, lithium batteries and solar charging. Propane is a magnificent, clean, safe, efficient, and inexpensive fuel. Propane generators are expensive, so RV manufacturers try to brag about "no generator." With my "old" RV having a propane generator, a permanent propane tank, propane stove, 3-way fridge, propane furnace, propane water heater, convection microwave, and 120V A/C, I'm certain it costed more to build than a new hi-tech RV with lithium batteries, solar panels, compressor fridge, and an "underhood generator." That's what RV manufacturers are going for, the higher profit margin. How else could they start slashing prices by $100,000 at the end of the year? That proves how much people have overpaid. People with money to buy the glamour and glitz can have it as I tool around in my reliable and super-functional "old" RV. I'll give them a lift or jump start any time. People are supporting the corrupt RV industry by being suckers. I got questioned about the age of my RV only once, which became a non-issue after sending photos. I'd like to see how well today's new RVs endure for the next 15 years, or even 10. I bet you won't see many of them on the road.
If I was loaded with money I still wouldn’t buy a new RV. We were going to wait a few years to purchase a diesel pusher but i pulled the trigger last week and made a low offer, negotiated a good deal, now it’s getting inspected tomorrow. If all goes well we’ll be flying to Az to pick it up next week. I agree the older units a built better !
I just sold my 2011 21QB, with not being able to boondock anymore at Walmarts, campgrounds seem to want units less than 10 years old, & since 2020 I have not been able to get back on the road... I think my next purchase is going to be a new home.. then if I can sell my present home before the real estate market collapses maybe I will buy a brand-new RV and be able to travel again
We have owned a 1979 Airstream trailer for the past 19 years. Previous owners took good care of it and we continue that tradition. Have been almost coast to coast with it, though are not full timers. There have only been a few times when we have stayed at parks with age limits, and when I told them over the phone that we had a vintage Airstream they said no problem. When we showed up the only inspection given was a quick glance out the office window. State and National parks don't have such rules, and we stay at those a lot. Sometimes they only have electric hookup, but we can deal with that, considering sites are usually generously spaced and there are a lot of trees. Regarding older RVs, over the years I have seen so many, of all types, that looked trashy when all it would take is a few weekends of TLC to get them looking good. Spray paint the rusty hitch, bumper, and wheels. Replace the broken or missing lenses on a few marker lights, give it a thorough wash, and people would be complimenting the owners on their 'restored' classic.
I bought an 05 coachmen sportscoach when coachmen still built them I'm very happy I do my own upgrades I do shake my head some times trying to figure out why they did it that way all is good
You nailed it… with a used one, either the problems will have already been fixed or they will be painfully obvious. With new, they WILL have problems, you just don’t know where and when and how bad they will be. AND who knows if the problems will even rear their heads before the warranty is up?
I agree with you, I think the quality was better years ago. We've owned 2 class A's a class C and we bought a travel trailer in 2020. The best was the used class C that we bought, no problems! The dealerships don't do warranty work very promptly or very successfully.
You have to be a bit crazy or just love to spend money to buy new. The quality is not there in many cases and the depreciation is horrendous on expensive units. Pre DEF is the way to go.
I have been a subscriber for a long time, watch every video multiple times for tips. I am a 75 year old with a 1995 Monaco which I bought for a ridiculous price a few years ago. Class A diesel pusher with a Cummins engine, not too much different than my Dodge Ram 4500 truck except for being much more accesible. Solid maple wood interior in perfect shape. Changed the mattress and moved in. Thousands of mile later and many adventures I am absolutely sold on the quality and the fun! Thank you for the video
Great advice and insights! Used is the way to go - warranties a pain to use and buying used helps to have the previous owners deal with the initial issues that occur with most RVs. I bought a 2008 fifth wheel and although it looks dated, it's pretty solid and built a lot heavier than a lot of the newer, lighter fifth wheels.
We own a travel trailer. The only place we hauled it was to the coast for a month each year. Now we bought a motorhome and TBH, we are a little afraid. It is 10 years old and in great shape, but we are so nervous about just getting out there and DOING it. Any words of wisdom from anyone? Part of our problem is that neither of us is mechanically inclined.
Purchase a coach net service package for towing and consider a wholesale warranties package for repairs. There is usually a mobile Rv mechanic where you are. I’m 67 my husband is 70 and we just don’t do repairs either. These two things have helped my concerns about problems on the road.
This is an odd question but where is the Campground in the Red Dessert that you often show? Is that Monument Valley? I must go there. I love your Channel. I travel in a Mini Van but I watch your content as you always cover great subjects.
I have had and am on my fourth Bounder, and mine is 20 years old but it has low miles, and is in great condition and the reason I keep going back to Fleetwood and Bounder is because of just how amazingly well built they are for an RV. Of course nothing is perfect, these are all made by humans but when you walk in my Bounder compared to my 2019 Jayco you can immediately tell the difference in build quality. Besides maybe Newell’s, and other high end rigs I feel like RV’s built in the early 2000’s up until 2008 when the recession hit are the best built rigs out there!
USED all the way wow a smart women u are when it comes to this kinda stuff rare find!! but u are absolutely correct been rving in a class A my whole life worked my tail off rent free for 32yrs saved my first million when i hit 52 and called it quits on my 9to5 job ha. and yep i started my journey when i was 19 yrs old. so first rule of thumb is never buy new second u want the yrs to be between 1996 to 2008 nothing newer!! period u are correct again... D.E.F u want nothing to do with that first time u forget to topp it off sends the engine into limp mode then just the hook up and tow alone is almost 2k noooo thanks. 3rd when this rving thing began back in the early70s the people who owned these rv companies cared about the craftmanship the reliability the frame it was built on the best wood they could find well... sadly most of the RV pioneers have either retired or died then the kids take over the family business then the quality has been crap ever since !! i wouldnt buy a 2023 anything stay away from ford with that v10 triton omg no!! so yep the diesel pusher is what ya want trust me TIFFIN NEWMAR BEAVER PREVOST AMERICAN TRATIOTION MONACO ALFA SEE YA WINIBAGO HLIDAY RAMBLER Damon Damon Fleetwood those are the ones ya get and look for i own a 2005 tiffin phaeton shes a war machine a beast!! not one problem only thing i ever did was change the tires wiper blades and oil change to this day i can do 90mph on a flat lol. just way less problems with the older one the qaulity is just there. oh by the way boondock more we have 5k watts solar set up power for days arizona desert nice rv community here way more fun than these parks tellin ya what ya can and cant do. and its FREEE!
We live full time in a 26 year old class A and started 2 years ago. Paid 10K cash and still going strong. Our coach gets by the 10 and 20 year rules because it is in great shape and maintained. Sometimes they request pictures and that works.
I wouold g with old anything beofre 2008 it seems those are all the ones having the trouble but the used older ones are not and if you have maintenance it easier to get fixed and lot cheaper
Bought our 2013 used tiffin allegro open road red and love it. We actually have lots of cabinets throughout with 4 slide outs. I sell Tupperware and have plenty of under bay storage too. Making a few cosmetic changes but love it. Enjoying our travels.
We bought “Lola” a couple of years ago when I was still in competitive horseback riding. I no longer compete but we kept Lola because we love camping. She’s 20 and we just finished interior renovation (had a pack rat 🤬) and took her out for our 1st trip since and she is fantastic!! She’s a coachman 38’ diesel pusher with Solar and all the amenities. We totally agree about the older coaches. Anyone that has worked on her has said the same thing you were talking about in regards to craftsmanship and being well built. They just don’t build them like this anymore. Thank you for addressing the “10 yr rule” we where worried about that. “Lola” looks great and is well taken care of. Thanks for the great videos. We are new to RV life and while we may not be full time we are starting to really enjoy it when we can. Thanks again for all the great tips for us “ newbie’s”
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We just purchased a 1999 Class A Diesel Pusher two weeks ago. It is in beautiful condition, super clean, well maintained and we couldn’t be happier! Just over 100,000 miles so it has many, many more miles left to go. The Freightliner chassis is beefy and solid.
We think if you can find an older Motorhome in great shape, go for it! We love ours! Oh, and we are living in it full-time as well.
Awesome!
I'm looking to get something similar to what you have gotten but I am worried about roof and other areas of the body leaking etc. Is it true these need to be contstantly maintained?
I've discovered that gently used anything is the way to go. This from someone who used to have more than enough money...until after divorce. In hindsight I see clearly how much money was wasted. Should the good Lord bless me with wealth again, I'd still absolutely go with gently used, hands down.
We bought our first RV five years ago. It is a 2006 42' Monaco Dynasty Class A diesel pusher. We thought about going new, but since it was our first RV we decided to go used for a couple of reasons. 1. If we didn't like it it wouldn't cost us as much to get out of it. 2. Our salesman was very honest. He told us that new RV's spend most of the first year in the shop. He said that with a used one the previous owner has worked all the bugs out of it. We have found this to be true. As for the 10 year rule we haven't had an issue. Most parks tell us our motorhome looks new. They ask if we are pulling their leg when we tell them the year. I definitely recommend going used for your first RV.
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Great video, and its true. I bought a 2002 Holiday Rambler Imperial back in 2007. Its now 21 years old and was built on the Monaco S chassis (Semi Monocoque). We have driven all over the US several times over. My total repairs add up to about $2000 over the 20 years. It now has very close to 200,000 miles and continues to run and drive like a dream. I have had 6 motorhomes before this one, non came close. We have also upgraded the technology, even adding a WiFi connected monitor and control so I can see tank levels on my phone, operate lights and slides. Still looks good and have never been turned away from a campground after inspection.
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Wow, 2grand , onlyfor all those years cousin, that's hard to beat!
Agree with you 100% - We have a 2004 40' Newmar Mountain Aire and love how simple it is. If I could have bought one with roll up windows I would have. I got to upgrade all the components with what i wanted. We have been full time in it for 1 1/2 years. Why I choose older: Pre-DEF, issues worked out, upgraded everything with what works for us, Cost (10% invested on what the same model would be new). The 10 year rule has never been an issue for us. We only use campgrounds and typically stay a week to a month. They key is finding one with good bones. Appreciate your videos!
For sure - thanks for watching
As with anything else (RV and otherwise) KNOWING yourself and what you want, your intentions and limitations are your first steps. There's at least 5 major systems in every RV: 1) Water/Plumbing, 2) Electrical, 3) HVAC, 4) Electronics 5) Mechanical. If you are unwilling or uncomfortable to build first-hand independent knowledge of ALL these systems (but still want an RV) and think you can buy your way clear of them - BE PREPARED FOR EXASPERATION regardless of how much you paid. Over the past 5 years manufacturers have scaled up production to meet unprecedented demand but all that means is they have to get stuff out faster.
About the only place left for manufacturers to lean out production costs is quality control steps - thereby passing the discovery to the dealer. As most dealers have minimal testing facilities this means it's now up to the buyer of a new RV to discover failed components. This vid makes a great point "Where will you be when something goes wrong and you have only a limited availability and locations to resolve these troubles "under warranty." Now, thanks to high-volume (not high-quality) production objectives, warranty servicing is overloaded and you're more likely to be facing long delays, parts shortages and other frustrating limitations. It's a classic case of passing the buck, except in this case it's thousands of bucks ...and buying new means it's all out of YOUR pocket.
A used but updated and maintained RV means the previous owner has already found and corrected most of these issues. By buying direct (privately) from the previous owner you can also assess the nature of the individual you're buying from, and most importantly why they're selling. New or Old you're buying problems too, the only question now is how many are now solved with the specific rig you've bought, and how many options are available for you to correct them?
We bought a 2003 Tiffin Phaeton Class A never had a problem with the 10 year rule. It is insured with Good Sams. Solid sturdy construction. We put a fresh coat of paint inside and some other decorative upgrades. Absolutely love it. and no where near the expense of a newer RV
We bought a 2005 RV Diesel Pusher. My husband is a diesel mechanic. He wanted pre-def. We paid cash, too.
I LOVE my 1998 C class! I'm not a full timer and primarily use it when I race on the weekends. At my leisure I completely renovated the interior and friends with newer RV's prefer set up. The only thing left to do is to paint the exterior so it looks as good outside as it is inside!
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I just bought my parents 30-year-old pop up and I'm super excited!
I am SDOOO glad to hear this! I just bought a 2005 Jayco Greyhawk! And, per your recommendation, I am taking the NRVTA training. I am a 60-year-old Nana with a handicapped husband, and we decided to go for it!
Awesome, welcome to RV life.
I’m so thrilled to hear you aren’t letting whatever is going on with your husband stop you from doing what you want to do. People ask us “what if” & we just say, you work with it & ensure the needs are met. It’s just as easy to take diabetic medication in a RV as it is in a house. Rare that accommodations can’t be made.
Great video. Do you know if trailers vs RVs have the same rule about “age appropriate” in campgrounds? I found a 1972 vintage but after watching your video it made me question if this would be a wise decision for being able to park in RV parks throughout the US. Thank you.
Warranty is a joke
Good for y’all! You’ll have a blast! I just took the NRTVA class for owners, and it was great: you can’t find better people ANYWHERE! I’m 64 and my husband is 76 and disabled, and we will hit the road on Dec 1! God bless y’all!
We bought a 2005 Newmar and have had endless problems. It was a great deal, we thought. I can say we've had no problem due to the age of it when staying at campgrounds. They ask for pictures and it's been no problem.
Whether you buy new or used, get the RV inspected BEFORE you buy. I’ve had both new and used, and it just depends on the rig. Two of the same rig (same age, same maker) can be in completely different shape based on how they are used, how careful the previous owner/manufacturer was in maintaining/building the rig. Regardless, they require attention, just like anything else (human body, car, home, relationships). Life and all her bits will always require regular attention.
So true, thanks for watching
Big Bo down there at Ringold Georgia's tell ya folks you gonna have maintenence no matter what ya buy😆
@@ronmoore3987 Im in Dalton Georgia, is Big Bo someone i should get to know.
We have really enjoyed your videos and honesty. I love that you’re Dave Ramsey followers with NO debt. That is how we live also and another great reason why we follow you. We watched this video last night and I keep thinking about it and I just opened it up to put a response on here and LOVED hearing everyone sharing their thoughts and experiences also. We have a 2004 Simba Safari Monaco gas 34 ft. It has been GREAT. My husband is about to retire and we are planning on going full time and was really considering to move up to a 2014 or 2017 and after watching and reading these comments it has really made me reconsider. I thank you for sharing this information on your opinion and everyone else’s comments too. We have a 2011 Ford Explorer and we are able to pull it but haven’t done it yet. Has anyone on here have an older RV and pulls something as big as an Explorer. Of course we do cash with everything and we have such low miles on our car we would never get back a good price if we sell it. Anyway, this is a long response from me, but I truly appreciate this video. I hope you do another one like this. I’d love for you to do a meet up with RV owners with older models and we can compare and chit chat about something we all have in common. ❤😊 I’ll see you on the next video or see you on the road 😜
Thanks so much for the comment and for watching! We are planning on selling our Jeep and getting a suburban or Yukon XL for a tow vehicle as our family has outgrown our Jeep. So we will eventually be towing something larger. Maybe we will see you out there sometime! We are working on next summer’s caravan so stay tuned….
It would be nice to have full hook up campgrounds that have a lot of trees and remote feel like most national forest and parks campgrounds, and less like a glorified walmart parking lot. They are so rare. One of our lottery dreams lol
14 years ago, I bought a 2000 Tioga c class 24 footer, from the old couple that bought it new.
18,000 miles at the time.
Now has about 42,000 on it.
I don't travel too far, to use it.
I'm into dirt bikes, so I take it on less than good roads, but take it easy.
I tow a 16 foot box trailer with bikes and tools, etc.
It has no slides, or fancy electronics...not even a TV.
I maintain it myself, and it is pretty straightforward, for a gear head.
Never had a breakdown, or problems with it.
I have many friends who have opted to buy newer, fancier units, and they are constant money pits.
Older, simpler units, that have been maintained, and stored properly, are gold.
I have been offered twice what I paid for mine, multiple times, by people who fell for the new gadget traps, and regret it.
Can't stay in the 10 year rule campgrounds, and I'm not interested in staying there anyway.
Lots of snobs, and phonies flexing about how much they spent for their gadgets.
To me, RVs are about getting away from people, not hanging out in a country club.
Find a nice old RV, and enjoy a campfire, instead of satellite internet, and rich douchbags. 😀
We bought a 2012 GeorgeTown 351 ds New.
It has been a solid rig for us.
We plan on running it, until it or us
packs it in.
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We too bought a 2002 Safari diesel pusher. Solid wood cabinets, built like a beast. We have the CAT engine that can go forever. Sad part is we have to sell due to health. But loved the trips we went on.
That's what we had safari chetta 05
Know we have 04 gas georgie boy love it 30ft
Man the safari’s are beautiful and having the cat engine is huge in my opinion. We looked at a few safari’s before ultimately decided with all the modifications we were going to need to make, our current coach was the right decision.
What does a 2002 Safari diesel pusher go for and what are the miles?
We bought our first rv last year (2022)and it was 20 years old. My husband is a fantastic mechanic. He has put about 10 thousand dollars in parts and repairs. We plan on retiring next year and traveling more.
Safe travels and thanks for watching
Well done!!
We bought our first RV (class C) in 1993.. it was 20 years okd and had been a former boss’s (he passed. we bought it from his widow who never went into it ) it was his HUNTING/ FISHING ‘cabin’😜
We had 3 young ones. It was a challenge! It had the true orange SHAG carpeting etc😂
It has been some of the most funny memories our kids have🤷♀️
When baby #4 came along we went to a 36’ TT (no slides) that one I had the most fun in.
Blessings on your new adventures!!
You have the BEST WARRANTY= HANDY HUSBAND:)
Made better back then. So many horror stories about new Rv and 5th wheel, trailers being a disaster waiting to happen
I never felt very secure in older rvs until you said they're just built better. And that changed how I feel. Thank you❤ 😊
You are so welcome! Thanks for watching
Some were built better. Look for something that was high end in it's day. There are certain brands and levels of quality that I would stick to. Then have an inspection done by a third party who checks EVERYTHING. Never take a dealer's word for something and never sign on the dotted line until all repairs have been made. Don't think that just because it's a new RV everything is perfect. Quality in the RV industry has gotten very bad. Do your research.
Of course they're better. ALL the old stuff is BETTER.
I love shiny new objects however, we always buy used. Why? The original owner will eat the first few years of depreciation on an RV or boat or car/truck. Saves a ton of money that way. And plus, many times, they will also have hopefully fixed any of the first year, or two, issues that inevitably come up. So, for us, win/win.
Totally! Thanks for watching
Older RV's are better made without all the hi-tech electronics & emissions garbage.
Great video! Yup, agree with the pros and cons of new vs. used, pretty accurate assessment guys! In December 2020, literally on the last day of the year, we purchased a model year leftover (2020) Newmar Dutch Star, which we absolutely love. However, the dreaded DEF head failure reared its ugly head shortly afterwards, fortunately while still under warranty, otherwise that would have been a hefty bill. But even going forward, given the highly publicized and well-known high failure rate of DEF heads, the issue is always in the back of my mind. What a ridiculous emissions solution - derate the engine of a 50,000 pound coach down so that it will only go 5 mph in the middle of an interstate highway while surrounded by heavy traffic! The system response to a DEF head failure is worse than the failure itself, people can be killed because of this, absolutely asinine! I have written to local and state representatives about this issue until I'm sure they are tired of hearing from me - GRRRR! But I digress, there are many advantages to buying used, but no matter which way you go, my advice is to ALWAYS hire an RV inspector, even if buying new, heck, especially if buying new!
Happy to hear about your experiences with an older RV. We bought a 20+ year old motorhome because it was cheap enough for us to pay cash and we've put a lot into repairs and upgrades, it was a high end model and in good shape. It's still nowhere near what a new one would cost either. This will last us a good while.
That is awesome!
What you said is all true. Wife and I bought a 2002 Newmar Kountry Star diesel pusher, cummins engine, two slides, four years ago. Everything is manual, except the slide and the electric solenoid on the fuel pump. I do 90% of all the work but when I don't, I go to a frieghtliner shop. In and out normally in one or two days, never to an RV shop. I am the fourth owner, 82,000 miles and $30,000 later it was mine. I allowed $15,000 for new tires, a bumper to bumper check at frieghtliner with all new fluid. In four years I have spent another $15,000, almost new now. We spend three to five months traveling. Is it worth it? Yes. Is it cost effective? I say, what is the value of memories. As seniors with the national park lifetime pass, we stay 50% off. We also dry camp more often now, memories. If you like nature, don't wait. I recommend used class A diesel before 2010, for many reasons. Happy trails.
Thank you I’m looking for one now
My husband and I have been thinking about buying an RV but he doesn’t want a class A! I do but it has to be small enough for most state and national parks! But for now we are thinking of renting something smaller to see if I can even get into one and stand to ride in it! I have mobility problems and chronic back pain that I am being treated for! I’m also a dialysis patient and would love to travel with a portable dialysis machine called NxStage which was designed to fit an RV or boat! Hubby said at first he wanted a gas RV but then I pointed out that my nephew is a diesel mechanic!
I would buy used always
Yes, gently used anything is always the way to go. There's nothing better than a great bargain!
Our first was a 2020 Pace Arrow 36S, the issue was a gas engine. If it was a diesel, we would still have it. Now we have a 5er 2021 + a DRD.
Our first was a a 2000 pace arrow gas engine too. We went for diesel.
Plus A Diesel engine U can push to A 1 Million Miles. Maybe more as long U do All U-R Maintenance on the Engine it will take care of U. Just Like Truck Drivers. Stay Safe Good Luck Remember to use good GPs Or Truck Routes.
We just bought a 2007 Tiffin Allegro Bus. Used is the way to go. It’s our 2nd RV we’ve owned. You’d be surprised how nice the older ones are when taken care of. On both, never had an issue of the 10 year rule.
We have been traveling in our 2004 Monaco 40' high end class A for the last 2 1/2 years. We were denied access to only one RV park traveling. This RV park was in Las Vegas. but there were other parks that took us in. If they have a year limit, usually a couple pictures will do the trick, as our motorhome is in good shape. All there really trying to do is keep the junk out of there park, and I understand that, but just to be denied access just because of age is counter productive for a park. This summer we have mostly been staying at dispersed camping or BLM land out west..
I think a determining fact is that the cost of new to newer, those under 5 years old, being as much as a sticks & bricks home. There are a lot of older RVs that have been well taken care of, probably not updated, but that's lipstick & rouge. I've also seen where people are painting & rewrapping the exterior so that it looks newer which makes getting in to age restricted campgrounds easier.
We bought a 2006 Country Coach Inspire, absolutely LOVE it. Purchased from Premier Rv of Oregon, best place for service and purchase. Unit has a Cat C9, tows a F150 with no problem.
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How experienced were you and your husband with fixing mechanical (you already maintained and modified cars for example.) or household electrical or plumbing?
This video resonates with me. We purchased a 20 year old Fleetwood Discovery diesel pusher with 79K on the odometer. We are mainly weekend campers and maintain a sticks and brick home too. We paid cash and perform most of the repairs and maintenance ourselves. And as you mentioned, the build quality is outstanding. All of our furniture is covered in real leather, and our cabinets and doors are made of real wood.
In 2016 we wanted to try RVing for dog shows. Bought a quality 20 year old class A gas. Enjoyed it until we constantly ran into the problem with obsolete parts. After four years we sold it and moved up to a 2013 class A gas. We picked 2013 because it was before schwintek slides and computerized lighting controls; love simpler things like regular old switches. No warranty or service plans for either rig. The 1996 is a much better build than 2013. I would never buy new because I want to spend more time camping and not be in for repairs. No one is building a quality class A that is simple. We like our propane fridge and old fashioned wall switches. We will keep ours another ten years minimum - until parts are obsolete. 😊
We bought a 2005 Fleetwood Terra 32' Class A in 2018 due to its affordability. Other than a blow-out (took two 2yo tires with 10k on them) we've experienced what I would consider normal maintenance items. I will say however that it helps to have mechanical/electrical experience as with any older vehicle, PM's are a must. Just sealed all the windows & roof penetrations & am I'm now working on the KwiKee power step having a mind of its own. With the tire blowout ($1500 for roadside repair with 2 new tires!) we're at $400/year for maintenance costs. Not considering the blowout we're at $150/year including new master cylinder, brakes & rear calipers this year. I vote for used as ours will go another 10 years easily with our big gas 8.1L & 44k on the ODO.
GOOD JOB! From a 22 YO Beaver Patriot THUNDER owner! I Can't agree more about that warrantee Thing! Buying an older RV is definitely the way to go!
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My class C is almost 25 yrs old and still doing great. Ive never had an issue getting in a park. Its been well maintained and kept clean. I almost sold it right before covid started to get a newer one . After seeing the problems with covid era rv's I'm sure glad I didnt do it.
We are not full timers. Our first tv was a older trailer. I was not sure I was into camping but my wife grew up camping. We keep it for over 5 years and doubled our profit and upgraded to a larger. We bought it and it was about 7 years old. It got damaged from a hailstorm and insurance totaled it. Our 3rd rv we also bought used and kept it for about 20 years and just upgraded this last spring. It was still in great shape and we sold it ourselves. We people came to look they could not believe it was 25 years old. It was in very good shape. The wife wanted a bigger trailer since I have retired and are camping a lot more now. I think used is the way to go if you can wait and find what you want it took us about 2 years to find this one. We really enjoy this one.
RVs built before 2008 are better built. Mine is a 2001.
Just bought a 20+ Newmar Dusty Star…just discovered a major water issue though…so I’ll let you know.
Yep I bought a 2000 Monaco Dynasty in 2017. I still live full time in it from 2019 and still love it.
You basically just backed up my lottery fantasy, having basically enough money set aside to buy new, then buy used (probably a Thor Majestic 30 footer) and use the left over money to modernize/fix up. It would need cameras, mattress(es), crash mitigation system, tires, run flat for the steers, fire suppression, and I could go on, starting, of course, with an inspection.
Interesting channel, just don’t understand the “camp ground”, it looks like row housing with no privacy.
I would go with the used because of the depreciation factor like a car. My opinion. I have read and heard that new RV's quality in construction is not that great. What your are stating in your video concerning the upkeep of the brand new RV's is a nightmare!
we own a 99' Tradewinds from National and we love the quality of construction. Solid CAT diesel engine with and Alison transmission - sure is fun passing folks on those mountain passes! I agree that being basic even I can work on most things inside with some (RUclips support of course - Hillbilly RV and AZExpert have been very helpful). As far as the 10yr rule, we too have had very few experiences with that and when we did they only asked for a picture in advance of accepting our reservation - no problem... Have we had break downs? you bet $3k for a broken air compressor line which included a tow but because its diesel a truck repair shop in Quanah Texas (thank you 287 Diesel Service!) quickly had us up and running (3 days whilst we stayed in the rig in the truck yard with power and water) would see that at any Ford dealership.
We went FT 5 years ago in a 99 National Tropical. Buying it was the best decision we ever made. We haven't had any drivetrain problems to date. Sure, we've had many minor issues, but it has never seen the inside of a repair shop as we have been able to fix them all ourselves. Luckily our roadside assistance plan has remained unused so far. It is indeed well made. We have a gasser, so won't be passing many folks in the mountains, but we haven't found a grade we couldn't climb yet - and believe me, we've tried. We like to boondock most of the time and really appreciate the lighter weight of a gasser when taking it down muddy, rutted fire roads, through pastures or across sand washes.
We have a 23yr old motorhome. The current new prices would not allow to buy.
We have a 2007 Exel 5th Wheel and LOVE IT. I am a HUGE advocate of older RVs for the very reason you describe. They were built BETTER. Yes, we are heavier and have less storage in the belly than new 5th wheels, but I have yet to see a floor plan I like better and I am AMAZED by our trailer's beauty and quality every single time we take her out! I LOVE your videos and your RV!
Thank you!
We also have a 20+ year old gasser rv. Our rv sat up several years in overhead storage before we bought it. We had lots of work to do before we could start making trips like complete roof coverage, shower drain leak’s repair, replacing hot water tanks, awning replacement, step motor replacement, leveling fluid leaks and all 6 tire replacements. Yes, the work took over 4 months to complete but she is completely dependable. I just believe that the older models are just put together differently but the newer models have a lot more bells and whistles. Thank you for all your great videos of information and how to do it yourself.
Thanks for watching and sharing!!
After having bought a new gas Class A in 2017 and spent a substantial amount in upgrading the chassis I would now rather buy a used Class A Diesel or if available a gas RV with liquid springs. That said, we will keep our Newmar Canyon Star as Long as it lasts as it has given us little headache and now drives great.
We chose an older class A for many of the same reasons you mentioned - Living debt free is important to us, as it is to you, so an older rig allowed us to pay cash for a 2000 Foretravel U320 and leave us enough for repairs and upgrades including 4,7000 watts of solar and large battery bank. Grateful we don't need to plug in, when moochdocking or boondocking... and we can avoid RV parks, 10 year rule or not (though it's never been an issue for us)
Thank you for sharing the many benefits of older RV's!
Thanks for watching and sharing about your rig!
I think the older rvs are built better, sturdier then the newer ones that are priced outrageous and cheaper made. As I type this your saying this same thing, lol
I was always kind of confused by a blanket age limitation. But then we did some stays at places that did not have that limitation. It was immediately clear. Some of the RVs we saw were so trashy and it often matched the people that owned them. A trashy RV was matched by a trashy site with garbage everywhere, dogs left outside all day, party all night. If I am paying $100/night, the last thing I want is to have a site next to Cousin Eddie and his 6 feral children.
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Can you get into all parks. To stay that is.
Used makes scene brand new has problems because of electronics and poor workmanship
We bought a 2006 Fleetwood Providence 39L last winter after losing our home in Ft. Myers due to IAN. We have never RV'd ...but why not...so over the past 7 months, we have been rehabbing, learning etc. And we paid cash!!! So we are off to Ft. Myers in November to start the adventure!! Hopefully to the Keys next season!!! Great Channel!
I personally prefer used, and can remodel.went with friends to travel in brand new fifth wheel their mini mansion 😊 once we setup at campground, opened up slides ready to relax turn on the fireplace just for ambiance ,from the travel it shifted and came out of wall.eek.then a window in slide-out was not sealed. Just was not built so great. I had a 24ft old Shasta (my childhood camper purchased from parents).loved, loved it..
We hear these stories all the time about new RV owners with quality issues, the older ones do seem to have the kinks worked out. Thanks for watching
I'm guessing they didn't have a certified inspector checking it out first?
As with many things in life, there are benefits and trade-offs. When it comes to owning an older RV I think you make some compelling reasons for why you should. You do a great job sharing those reasons. The only part I would take caution is when you share about your lack of having to deal with diesel emissions due to your rig being an older diesel pusher. I owned a post-2010 Fleetwood diesel pusher myself with the emission system and went to Freightliner University and learned all about the science of it. Is it perfect? For sure no - the complexity and the DEF sensors are a pain for many diesel owners. But when you look at the record heat and climate change impact emissions are making right now worldwide, no matter what you feel about climate change, it may be a little tone deaf to say there is a benefit of older RVs as you spew higher amounts of carbon into the air as you recreate in your older RV. Every time I see a pre-2010 diesel engine spew the black smoke I cringe. I suggest tweaking that part of your story when us RV'ers are unfairly blamed for contributing to climate change by people outside the RV community.
Yes, thanks for sharing this viewpoint
Yes we bought A 2001 Fleetwood bounder 36u for cash one owner well maintained with only 12k miles on it.. but it is gas not diesel only down side .. great video THANK you
I own an '89 Prevost...two stroke diesel...no smoke if you maintain them correctly, thank you very much. Built like a tank and pulls like a train.
Man made climate change? BwaaHaaHaa! I'm guessing you got the shots and voted for Obama? Just a guess.
In a couple of years they'll tell you DEF is a carcinogen and you need a replacement engine that needs some other chemical additive provided by a company that contributes to a certain political party.
these are not RV's they are tour buses.
These things generally sit around and are not driven.
My husband and I both believe that new is not the way to go. Especially after covid. The quality of vehicles, both small vehicles and RVs just isn't what it used to be. We bought a 2017 Tiffin Bus last year. Yes, the price was more than we wanted to pay, but it was exactly what we wanted for his retirement. We will be going full time in 7 months. We couldn't be happier. Hope to see you out there some time!
Had three new ones now I’m looking for used
Used all day long. Having a NRVIA Inspection is a must before purchasing though. Bought a 2005 Itasca Class-A Gasser June of 2022, and like you said, have not run into any weight issues even with full tanks and towing a car. Storage is different then the pass throughs, however, we are not even close to maximizing our open space. Finally, you can update the Chassis, Electrical, Entertainment and Living area's however you want and not have to worry about re-sale values. We have a quote for full body paint ($18k). Even with that expense, we will be under $60k in total dollars invested. That's the same amount of money that 30 monthly payments of a 15-year loan (180 months) will run you for a similarly equipped brand new Class-A coach. ;-)
Used - look for a well maintained low mileage. We bought a 2003 Bounder in 2015 0nly 36,000 verified miles, looked great, no leaks never a mechanical problem and used it for 5 years. We paid a rousing 35,000 dollars, we updated and added items. Storage was great. We sold it in even better condition for 29,000 dollars. We sold it within 2 days of listing it. We did add an Extended Warranty (service contract actually from USAA) never needed it. We did all the upgrades ourselves. We did have a mobile service do our regular oil changes, etc (even though I could have done them, (mechanic for many years) We also found mobile detailing services where we went, so it always looked like new. Met many people who wished they had bought used first, found what they liked before buying new and were disappointed.
I want to comment that the "old RVs are better" rule applies to Class B RVs, too. I bought a 16-year-old Class B, and after seeing so many videos about bad quality in new Class B's, I can attest that, in general, quality was substantially better before 2008. Many of the later problems have to do with the recession, technology, the electronics, and complexity and, in diesels, DEF and other emissions systems. Older RVs are simpler with many fewer potential points of failure. I have had to do some of the expected normal wear and tear repairs but nothing compared to the total failures and disasters of some newer Class B vans. All major components worked perfectly upon my purchase and still do. Even those components, like fridge, A/C, furnace, water heater, etc. were built better back then. The "upgrades" that new RVs have are because those components are cheaper for manufacturers to buy, but the RV manufacturers and dealers make you think the newer components are better. For example, a 12-volt compressor fridge is a fraction of the cost of an absorption fridge, and my absorption fridge works very well and has no moving internal parts. Since RV manufacturers are pushing induction stove tops, they also have to push electric power and, therefore, lithium batteries and solar charging. Propane is a magnificent, clean, safe, efficient, and inexpensive fuel. Propane generators are expensive, so RV manufacturers try to brag about "no generator." With my "old" RV having a propane generator, a permanent propane tank, propane stove, 3-way fridge, propane furnace, propane water heater, convection microwave, and 120V A/C, I'm certain it costed more to build than a new hi-tech RV with lithium batteries, solar panels, compressor fridge, and an "underhood generator." That's what RV manufacturers are going for, the higher profit margin. How else could they start slashing prices by $100,000 at the end of the year? That proves how much people have overpaid. People with money to buy the glamour and glitz can have it as I tool around in my reliable and super-functional "old" RV. I'll give them a lift or jump start any time. People are supporting the corrupt RV industry by being suckers. I got questioned about the age of my RV only once, which became a non-issue after sending photos. I'd like to see how well today's new RVs endure for the next 15 years, or even 10. I bet you won't see many of them on the road.
If I was loaded with money I still wouldn’t buy a new RV. We were going to wait a few years to purchase a diesel pusher but i pulled the trigger last week and made a low offer, negotiated a good deal, now it’s getting inspected tomorrow. If all goes well we’ll be flying to Az to pick it up next week. I agree the older units a built better !
That’s excited! Safe (future) travels!
I just sold my 2011 21QB, with not being able to boondock anymore at Walmarts, campgrounds seem to want units less than 10 years old, & since 2020 I have not been able to get back on the road... I think my next purchase is going to be a new home.. then if I can sell my present home before the real estate market collapses maybe I will buy a brand-new RV and be able to travel again
The build quality on the new ones is terrible. That and the depreciation is shockingly bad.
Buy used, a nice used one.
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We have owned a 1979 Airstream trailer for the past 19 years. Previous owners took good care of it and we continue that tradition. Have been almost coast to coast with it, though are not full timers. There have only been a few times when we have stayed at parks with age limits, and when I told them over the phone that we had a vintage Airstream they said no problem. When we showed up the only inspection given was a quick glance out the office window. State and National parks don't have such rules, and we stay at those a lot. Sometimes they only have electric hookup, but we can deal with that, considering sites are usually generously spaced and there are a lot of trees. Regarding older RVs, over the years I have seen so many, of all types, that looked trashy when all it would take is a few weekends of TLC to get them looking good. Spray paint the rusty hitch, bumper, and wheels. Replace the broken or missing lenses on a few marker lights, give it a thorough wash, and people would be complimenting the owners on their 'restored' classic.
I say buy used, less bugs and gremlins to work out. But still better have everything checked out before buying it.
A pre purchase inspection is definitely the way to go.
@@GratefulGlamper regrettably, we didn't do that. We bought it as is and we have been learning some big lessons out of this RV.
I bought an 05 coachmen sportscoach when coachmen still built them I'm very happy I do my own upgrades I do shake my head some times trying to figure out why they did it that way all is good
You nailed it… with a used one, either the problems will have already been fixed or they will be painfully obvious. With new, they WILL have problems, you just don’t know where and when and how bad they will be.
AND who knows if the problems will even rear their heads before the warranty is up?
I agree with you, I think the quality was better years ago. We've owned 2 class A's a class C and we bought a travel trailer in 2020. The best was the used class C that we bought, no problems! The dealerships don't do warranty work very promptly or very successfully.
Used! Prudence (my RV) is a 2015 Newmar Bay Star Sport
You have to be a bit crazy or just love to spend money to buy new. The quality is not there in many cases and the depreciation is horrendous on expensive units. Pre DEF is the way to go.
I have been a subscriber for a long time, watch every video multiple times for tips. I am a 75 year old with a 1995 Monaco which I bought for a ridiculous price a few years ago. Class A diesel pusher with a Cummins engine, not too much different than my Dodge Ram 4500 truck except for being much more accesible. Solid maple wood interior in perfect shape. Changed the mattress and moved in. Thousands of mile later and many adventures I am absolutely sold on the quality and the fun! Thank you for the video
Thanks for being a long time viewer! 💙
Great advice and insights! Used is the way to go - warranties a pain to use and buying used helps to have the previous owners deal with the initial issues that occur with most RVs. I bought a 2008 fifth wheel and although it looks dated, it's pretty solid and built a lot heavier than a lot of the newer, lighter fifth wheels.
Used! Most of the bug are out. We have a 2008 Big Sky 5th wheel. Love it!
I got a 2008 diesel pick up to haul my RV because it doesn't need DEF
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I would have never guessed your DIscovery was 20 years old.
Hi there and thanks for watching
Our Motorhome is a 1999 we have never been turned away as long as it looks good well maintained there wont be any problems
Warranty just means you bought something that is likely to break and you won't be able to use it.
We own a travel trailer. The only place we hauled it was to the coast for a month each year. Now we bought a motorhome and TBH, we are a little afraid. It is 10 years old and in great shape, but we are so nervous about just getting out there and DOING it. Any words of wisdom from anyone? Part of our problem is that neither of us is mechanically inclined.
Purchase a coach net service package for towing and consider a wholesale warranties package for repairs. There is usually a mobile Rv mechanic where you are. I’m 67 my husband is 70 and we just don’t do repairs either. These two things have helped my concerns about problems on the road.
We highly recommend the owners course from the NRVTA to learn how to work on your own rig. gratefulglamper.com/nrvta
We run into the 10 yr rule everywhere! Some just say no, some have the picture thing.
This is an odd question but where is the Campground in the Red Dessert that you often show? Is that Monument Valley? I must go there. I love your Channel. I travel in a Mini Van but I watch your content as you always cover great subjects.
I have had and am on my fourth Bounder, and mine is 20 years old but it has low miles, and is in great condition and the reason I keep going back to Fleetwood and Bounder is because of just how amazingly well built they are for an RV. Of course nothing is perfect, these are all made by humans but when you walk in my Bounder compared to my 2019 Jayco you can immediately tell the difference in build quality. Besides maybe Newell’s, and other high end rigs I feel like RV’s built in the early 2000’s up until 2008 when the recession hit are the best built rigs out there!
For sure, thanks for watching
Used. Thank you for posting this.
Who can afford a $180K new RV I always by used.
USED all the way
wow a smart women u are when it comes to this kinda stuff
rare find!!
but u are absolutely correct
been rving in a class A my whole life
worked my tail off rent free for 32yrs
saved my first million when i hit 52 and called it quits on my 9to5 job ha.
and yep i started my journey when i was 19 yrs old.
so first rule of thumb is
never buy new
second
u want the yrs to be between 1996 to 2008 nothing newer!! period
u are correct again... D.E.F u want nothing to do with that
first time u forget to topp it off
sends the engine into limp mode
then just the hook up and tow alone is almost 2k noooo thanks.
3rd when this rving thing began back in the early70s the people who owned these rv companies cared about the
craftmanship
the reliability
the frame it was built on
the best wood they could find
well...
sadly most of the RV pioneers have either retired or died
then the kids take over the family business
then the quality has been crap ever since !!
i wouldnt buy a 2023 anything
stay away from ford with that v10 triton omg no!!
so yep the diesel pusher is what ya want trust me
TIFFIN
NEWMAR
BEAVER
PREVOST
AMERICAN TRATIOTION
MONACO
ALFA SEE YA
WINIBAGO
HLIDAY RAMBLER
Damon Damon
Fleetwood
those are the ones ya get and look for
i own a 2005 tiffin phaeton shes a war machine
a beast!! not one problem
only thing i ever did was change the tires
wiper blades
and oil change
to this day i can do 90mph on a flat lol.
just way less problems with the older one
the qaulity is just there.
oh by the way
boondock more
we have 5k watts solar set up power for days
arizona desert nice rv community here
way more fun than these parks tellin ya
what ya can and cant do.
and its FREEE!
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Pre-owned would be my choice - too much depreciation hit otherwise
We live full time in a 26 year old class A and started 2 years ago. Paid 10K cash and still going strong. Our coach gets by the 10 and 20 year rules because it is in great shape and maintained. Sometimes they request pictures and that works.
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I wouold g with old anything beofre 2008 it seems those are all the ones having the trouble but the used older ones are not and if you have maintenance it easier to get fixed and lot cheaper
Used is best for us too!
Used, let someone else eat the depreciation and find all the issues.
Thanks so much for the info. Where is the RV park that was at 1:28 … Looks like someone in Arizona?
It’s Gouldings campground outside of Monument Valley Utah. :)
@@GratefulGlamper thanks so much!
Bought our 2013 used tiffin allegro open road red and love it. We actually have lots of cabinets throughout with 4 slide outs. I sell Tupperware and have plenty of under bay storage too. Making a few cosmetic changes but love it. Enjoying our travels.
Safe journeys and thanks for watching
We bought “Lola” a couple of years ago when I was still in competitive horseback riding. I no longer compete but we kept Lola because we love camping. She’s 20 and we just finished interior renovation (had a pack rat 🤬) and took her out for our 1st trip since and she is fantastic!! She’s a coachman 38’ diesel pusher with Solar and all the amenities. We totally agree about the older coaches. Anyone that has worked on her has said the same thing you were talking about in regards to craftsmanship and being well built. They just don’t build them like this anymore. Thank you for addressing the “10 yr rule” we where worried about that. “Lola” looks great and is well taken care of. Thanks for the great videos. We are new to RV life and while we may not be full time we are starting to really enjoy it when we can. Thanks again for all the great tips for us “ newbie’s”
Thanks for watching