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  • Опубликовано: 24 июн 2021
  • Every artist is excited to use color in their work, but it can be tricky to implement unless you understand some core concepts about it. Tiffanie Mang is a digital illustrator, gouache plein air artist, and landscape painter and she’s here to help you debunk some of the common myths artists hold when it comes to using color. If you enjoyed this lesson be sure to subscribe to the channel because Tiffanie will be back in the future to teach on Proko as an instructor.
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Комментарии • 323

  • @ProkoTV
    @ProkoTV  3 года назад +110

    Tiffanie Mang will be back soon to do a livestream demo and q&a. Make sure to follow her on Proko - www.proko.com/profile/tiffaniemangart/

    • @sunilnep2388
      @sunilnep2388 3 года назад +1

      Love you from nepal 🇳🇵💓❤

    • @sunilnep2388
      @sunilnep2388 3 года назад +1

      I learn many think from video

    • @aylla673
      @aylla673 3 года назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/odMlxkkqF00/видео.html 💜💛

    • @jessewhittle9350
      @jessewhittle9350 3 года назад +1

      Would love a transcript of this for teaching purposes. Please!

    • @chibimentor
      @chibimentor 3 года назад

      whose ghostface killer maybe blackheart 2k21 -mwah

  • @un-named7896
    @un-named7896 3 года назад +860

    I saw someone once say "Value does all the work, colour gets all the credit" and it's something that has really stuck with me and helped me.

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +16

      i love that saying :)

    • @irislilly7515
      @irislilly7515 3 года назад +9

      Probably Paint Coach? He's a great teacher too.

    • @nendu4316
      @nendu4316 3 года назад +14

      Sounds like marco bucci

    • @jeremiahgallo1055
      @jeremiahgallo1055 2 года назад +3

      Wow. That's the best way to remember the topic. Love that quote.

    • @jarrod4115
      @jarrod4115 2 года назад +3

      @@irislilly7515 yeah definitely paint coach, he says that a lot

  • @ontune1715
    @ontune1715 3 года назад +358

    Proko thank you for gathering all these amazing artists to share some of their knowledge to us. You are all amazing

    • @aylla673
      @aylla673 3 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/odMlxkkqF00/видео.html 💜💛

  • @thedabblingwarlock
    @thedabblingwarlock 3 года назад +244

    Regarding color temperatures, I once did a design that had a very cool tone over all. One of the colors I used was a desaturated red that had a very cool feel to it. So yeah, even colors that considered always warm or cool can be the other under the right circumstances.

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +7

      definitely! it is all relative

    • @lechatbotte.
      @lechatbotte. 3 года назад +3

      That’s hue. There are hues of all colors hat can be made to change the color from warm to cool and the reverse.

  • @justinhooper8306
    @justinhooper8306 3 года назад +126

    Tiffanie is an amazing artist. She is dedicated to her craft and puts in a lot of work everyday and it shows in art.

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +13

      Thank you so much!! It's probably because she has an amazing man to support her as well i reckon ;)

    • @justinhooper8306
      @justinhooper8306 3 года назад +12

      @@TiffanieMangArt must be a lucky guy

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +12

      @@justinhooper8306 and she's the luckiest girl

    • @MFDOOOOM
      @MFDOOOOM 2 месяца назад

      This is too cute for RUclips comments, what world is this.

  • @TheSleyar
    @TheSleyar 3 года назад +89

    after experimenting with colors, something I learned that is super helpful is that when using opposing colors, i use one for shadow and one for light: yellow light-violet shadow, green light, red shadow, etc

    • @hayapatel_
      @hayapatel_ 3 года назад +9

      @@greyATK idk if it ever had a term but in color theory you often learn that the shade in the shadows will be complementary to the color of the light (also that warmer light -> cooler shadows, cooler light -> warmer shadows). So orange light, blue shadows (something you can often see with streetlamps), red light, greenish shadows, etc.
      Also, there's a phenomenon called "simultaneous contrast" (you actually see it throughout the video, especially during the cube demo) which is a result of how our eyes perceive color. I don't have the best way to explain it unfortunately but if it interests you, you should look it up! I feel like it's in a similar vein of what you originally asked.

    • @rociofp8630
      @rociofp8630 3 года назад +12

      @@greyATK the tone of the shadow is defined by the things that are facing the shadow. If there is a red wall facing the shadow, the shadow will have a warmer tone. Also, it’s not that the light makes the shadow the opposite color, is that it *seems* like it because of the contrast. Sorry if I didn’t explain myself well.

    • @rociofp8630
      @rociofp8630 3 года назад +2

      @@greyATK I would say it is. As I said in the second part of my comment, the contrast makes it *seem* like it. Like @Haya Patel said, is a result of how our eyes perceive color.

    • @tsukinomiweasel551
      @tsukinomiweasel551 3 года назад +1

      I think its due to how theres almost never no ither light source for example the sun gives off warm light and the sky is blue and gives off cool light

  • @Caderfixloxa
    @Caderfixloxa 3 года назад +177

    Great lesson and great speaker. It was not only well structured and presented, but also entertaining

    • @ciccobullet6725
      @ciccobullet6725 3 года назад

      Welcome to Proko

    • @Caderfixloxa
      @Caderfixloxa 3 года назад +2

      @@ciccobullet6725 not really the rule as far as the "entertaining" part goes for a big chunk of the guests. But as for the quality of the lessons and structure, yes

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +6

      I'm so glad you enjoyed it!

  • @beanl
    @beanl 3 года назад +61

    I love Tiffanie's style so much! I actually did her mentorship and it was the bestttt

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +9

      i love you girl!!

    • @beanl
      @beanl 3 года назад +2

      @@TiffanieMangArt 😍

  • @ronnieketchum1241
    @ronnieketchum1241 3 года назад +62

    Honestly the digital explaination was easier to understand. When she was doing on paper. I was more amazed at her accuracy than actually paying attention to the explaination

  • @LoveBystroem
    @LoveBystroem 3 года назад +40

    I love how even pros just refer to james gurneys stuff haha

  • @BlazyBob1
    @BlazyBob1 3 года назад +28

    I love that there have been so many amazing educational videos on color lately, and this is definitely one of the best I’ve seen!

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +3

      Wow, thank you so much!! that means alot!

  • @ronnieketchum1241
    @ronnieketchum1241 3 года назад +361

    Also Moral of the story. The best way to check your colours is : GRAYSCALE MODE

    • @Nepathian
      @Nepathian 3 года назад +9

      True! I want a real life version

    • @lndndr18
      @lndndr18 3 года назад +2

      I'll just leave this here for further reading:
      ruclips.net/video/gJ2HOj22gDo/видео.html

    • @axserwz5022
      @axserwz5022 3 года назад +23

      IF YOU WANT TO CHECK YOUR COLOURS IN GRAYSCALE WITHOUT THE FEATURE YOU CAN PUT A COLOUR LAYER AT THE TOP OF YOUR LAYERS AND FILL IT WITH WHITE
      you can turn it on or off to check the grayscale version, either a colour or an overlay layer, not sure which one is the right one to use.

    • @biomutarist6832
      @biomutarist6832 3 года назад +7

      @@axserwz5022 WOW thanks so much dude!!

    • @mitza420
      @mitza420 3 года назад +3

      @@Nepathian take a picture with your phone and add a bnw filter

  • @Nightmoore
    @Nightmoore 3 года назад +16

    This is truly a masterclass-level intro to color for any artist. Great stuff.

  • @cloggedaorta
    @cloggedaorta 3 года назад +92

    Can you imagine Tiffanie Mang and Marco Bucci sitting down for coffee? Dear Lord xD
    *Amazing video of course!!

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +44

      We are planning that one day!! =D

    • @WaynesWorldStudioVancouver
      @WaynesWorldStudioVancouver 3 года назад +9

      @@TiffanieMangArt and make sure to tell the whole world before you sit down so I can grab my water (no coffee) for me! Lol

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +21

      @@WaynesWorldStudioVancouver Marco Bucci and I have done some IG talks talking about color for a few hours!! Loads of fun. If you look on his instagram, you'll see it in his IGTV. Those are our virtual coffee talks, but once we can actually meet up, that would be a great idea to do, and I will definitely let you all know!!

    • @cloggedaorta
      @cloggedaorta 3 года назад

      @@WaynesWorldStudioVancouver I second that request

    • @WaynesWorldStudioVancouver
      @WaynesWorldStudioVancouver 3 года назад +3

      @@TiffanieMangArt I watched that was the first time I saw your work! Now you two are my listed instructors!

  • @burhlmao540
    @burhlmao540 3 года назад +4

    It feels great to have someone experienced something important and shares it with everyone, I'm grateful for that.

  • @mkAYY825
    @mkAYY825 3 года назад +23

    wow Tiffanie is a joy to listen to and learn from, lovely way of speaking.

  • @erunooo
    @erunooo 3 года назад +5

    Man ... a lesson by Tiffanie Mang and our man Marco Bucci must be the best color lesson I would die for.. Hoping for that

  • @lapislazuli3738
    @lapislazuli3738 3 года назад +4

    Omygosh ive been looking EVERYWHERE for information like this. It helped a lot in understanding my colors

  • @kaywanshirinsha6334
    @kaywanshirinsha6334 3 года назад

    Thank you Stan for this video, Tiffanie is beautifully explaining all of the elements and their relationships. Going back and forth from traditional to digital made me finally understand the basic principles.
    She is the colour therapist.

  • @niyaak28
    @niyaak28 3 года назад +3

    Best video I've seen tackling color. Learned a lot in a short amount of time. Great work!

  • @Cre-Art
    @Cre-Art 3 года назад +3

    Love this! You straightened out my confusion on value, and gave great explanations of the color picker and sliders. Very, very helpful. Thank you. :)

  • @Nepathian
    @Nepathian 3 года назад +2

    This couldn't have come at a better time for me! Just got myself a gouache set hoping it will help my digital art game

  • @nopushbutton
    @nopushbutton 3 года назад +1

    Lotta great points! I like the clarification of the differences in value between various high chroma colors, as this is something I hadn't heard when learning art, and only really found out about it while doing graphic design with an emphasis on visual accessibility

  • @chris_hisss
    @chris_hisss 3 года назад +1

    So inspiring! She is a very talented speaker and teacher and absolutely gorgeous. Thanks for featuring her. Loving your channel thusfar Proko! Yudit 1999 sent me over, studying 3-d modeling.

  • @kantigua5544
    @kantigua5544 3 года назад +3

    the timing on this is 😩👌 thank you for the assist

  • @charvi999
    @charvi999 3 года назад +2

    Wow! This was amazing. Understanding color and value like a second nature is very important. Just a bit of hue shift in muted colors can bring out such strong emotions in a painting. Definetly worth learning how to use grays. Tiffanie is just awesome!

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад

      Definitely! I'm glad you appreciate the grays! :)

  • @huitzilinf_art
    @huitzilinf_art 3 года назад +2

    At first I was really confused but then it all came together and made sense at the end! Thank you so much for this video! I really love messing with color but I struggle with using it properly! Time to experiment!

  • @richardsong8
    @richardsong8 2 месяца назад

    Kudos Tiffanie Mang! The best exposition of colour relationship I have seen in 65 years, period.

  • @smithanandari
    @smithanandari 3 года назад +3

    So insightful, you're instantly becoming my new idol! I also switch between gouache and digital and used to have the exact same problem of color. Now I can see value better, and your breakdown reeeeally helps!

  • @mariaanmo
    @mariaanmo 3 года назад +1

    This is so incredibly helpful! Thank you so much, and I hope to see more of Tiffanie's color lessons in the future!

  • @leopoldojavier5125
    @leopoldojavier5125 3 года назад +2

    Como me hubiese gustado tener una profe la décima parte de lo preparada que es Tifannie, excelencia en su enseñanza. Proko se rodea solo de los mejores

  • @kon_la4397
    @kon_la4397 2 года назад

    Awesome video, the teacher explain something deep like color theory in such a simple and concise way!

  • @ellahopkinson
    @ellahopkinson 3 года назад +4

    Loving Vincent was phenomenal! Great work, I wish there would be more movies in a traditional art style

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +3

      They are coming out with another oil painted movie, and looking for artist to work on it!

    • @ellahopkinson
      @ellahopkinson 3 года назад

      @@TiffanieMangArt ooh exciting!

  • @yadhiracorichi7751
    @yadhiracorichi7751 3 года назад +2

    Proko and Tiffany, thank you so much. It is such an AMAZING class.

  • @michaeldunleavy3868
    @michaeldunleavy3868 3 года назад +6

    This video was immensely helpful. Thank you so much. I can’t wait to play around with these new ideas (then inevitably watch this video again when I mess it up lol)

  • @prettymaladies
    @prettymaladies 3 года назад +1

    probably one of the best videos on this topic ever

  • @michaelin3d
    @michaelin3d 3 года назад +1

    Most demystifying take I've ever seen on color. What a great video, thank you for sharing your knowledge Tiffanie!! 👏

  • @eraba661
    @eraba661 2 года назад

    This video is probably the best explaination I have seen so far which helped me understand alot

  • @t3tsuyaguy1
    @t3tsuyaguy1 3 года назад

    I like how your channel has evolved into a showcase of current day artistic discussion

  • @oniplingz
    @oniplingz 3 года назад +1

    Amazing. Never thought of creating grays using this method!!1 Thanks!!

  • @TediI47
    @TediI47 3 года назад +1

    The description of the physical and different digital interfaces for colour were very helpful.

  • @mvc139
    @mvc139 4 месяца назад

    Great video, I draw for fun, and I’ve been working on improving my lineart and proportions in the past few months… Now I’m trying to learn about color and light because I find it really difficult and interesting. This content was very helpful, thanks Tiffanie!

  • @indhraraha315
    @indhraraha315 3 года назад +1

    Thank you so much. It helped me to understand grays better 🤗🤗🤗

  • @colleywhisson6522
    @colleywhisson6522 2 года назад

    I like to think of the light to dark value first, this gives me a greater understanding of what the actual colour is. The big question every artist should concern themselves with, I believe. Colour variation and saturation. It’s easy to mix a colour, but difficult to to know what other colours should go with it.

  • @cj6291
    @cj6291 3 года назад +3

    Wow, this was very enlightening. It did make me realize how much I still need to learn tho…

  • @kathleen7849
    @kathleen7849 3 года назад +1

    Wonderful explanation and her work is just stunning.

  • @mateolopez9032
    @mateolopez9032 3 года назад +2

    I saw you in one of Marco Bucci's live on instagram and i loved your way of thinking and understand color, great video!

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +1

      Marco is the best. And thank you, glad you enjoyed!

  • @TheCompleteGuitarist
    @TheCompleteGuitarist 3 года назад +4

    incredibly insightful. I thought I already knew a lot but it doesn't come close to this. Thanks for sharing.

  • @annap214
    @annap214 2 года назад

    Wow…One of the best video! Have to book mark this!

  • @Chezt
    @Chezt 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for the tutorial this help me a lot understanding colors

  • @Reach3DPrinters
    @Reach3DPrinters 3 года назад +1

    I LOVED Loving Vincent, beautiful work you all did.

  • @05Urszula
    @05Urszula 3 года назад +1

    Thank you Proko for this great lesson. I just wonder how to apply the knowledge about mixing colors in soft pastels.

  • @Viewer802
    @Viewer802 3 месяца назад

    Great to meet u..l will apply everything in my painting as u say.. value is very important like saturation ❤

  • @Van-Leo
    @Van-Leo 3 года назад

    thank you for explaining the color sliders with that around the page diagram example. i wouldnt have found that out on my own. i just wish i knew more on how to apply that to how different colors have different values on that same hue picker even with the same percentage of sat and hue.

  • @hat_maker
    @hat_maker 3 года назад +1

    this was SO helpful and exactly what i was looking for

  • @marieadeiparine4233
    @marieadeiparine4233 3 года назад +1

    Agh- I really needed this right now- thank you😭

  • @fenston
    @fenston 3 года назад +1

    Woh ! Fantastic explanation, thank you Tiffanie !

  • @pedromattos1129
    @pedromattos1129 3 года назад +1

    this is awesome!

  • @sadananddbankapur2444
    @sadananddbankapur2444 2 года назад

    Excellent explanation of a very complex subject!!!🌹

  • @ninaonoda3199
    @ninaonoda3199 Год назад

    AMAZING.. how it open up my eyes.

  • @user-jh4wo6ok4s
    @user-jh4wo6ok4s Год назад

    Awesome! Thank you!

  • @BallJuiceOfZeus
    @BallJuiceOfZeus 3 года назад +1

    Question mark titles are so rad

  • @guilhermecahu
    @guilhermecahu 3 года назад +1

    This is the best video I've ever seen on the matter

  • @chisoma
    @chisoma 3 года назад +3

    Glad I watched this

  • @vicc19
    @vicc19 3 года назад

    Amazing artist and teaching method. thank you

  • @aaronpickens6831
    @aaronpickens6831 2 года назад

    Happy to see the Glenn Dean study on here :)

  • @Beni11188
    @Beni11188 Год назад

    Amazing! Thanks for sharing, Tiffanie Mang

  • @goodnoodle5224
    @goodnoodle5224 3 года назад +1

    So much information to study 🤯🤯🤯

  • @Kio_Kurashi
    @Kio_Kurashi 3 года назад +2

    5:25
    The color codes I got from the squares are as follows:
    Left Arrow: 786864
    Right Arrow: 766965
    Are we certain they're the _same_ color, and not just a really close one?

    • @silberh5672
      @silberh5672 3 года назад

      If that's true that's so close the human eye probably can't differentiate. It's rgb so your first color is 2 two steps more red, 1 less green and one less blue compared to the second colour. And per colour there are 255 different steps on how much e.g. blue is in the colour.
      Maybe you knew that already 🤷‍♀️ But I'd count those two as the same colour, even though they're technically not

  • @sharathkumar2176
    @sharathkumar2176 3 года назад +1

    She is dancing and enjoying man! Nice explaination

  • @sanguinecross1
    @sanguinecross1 3 года назад +1

    I LOVED the Secret of Kells! :)

  • @Zelig_Shaine
    @Zelig_Shaine 3 года назад +2

    grays are now my favorite colors

  • @sarasawyer2816
    @sarasawyer2816 3 года назад

    Tiffanie is such a good teacher 🤩

  • @christophedevos3760
    @christophedevos3760 8 месяцев назад

    Very interesting, thank you for uploading.

  • @erunooo
    @erunooo 3 года назад +1

    This is a Gem that I needed for so long!

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +2

      Thank you!!

    • @erunooo
      @erunooo 3 года назад

      no I THANK YOU for enlightening my baby brain :>

    • @zilldraws
      @zilldraws 3 года назад

      Same I was struggling with color in my studies, I was trying to paint a lava cake and just couldn't do it

  • @user-wc8uu4gx4s
    @user-wc8uu4gx4s Год назад

    this was incredibly helpful

  • @bugrilyus
    @bugrilyus 3 года назад +9

    On light spectrum red light has the least energy at 380nm wavelenght. The object that is seen is red is reflecting red light and absorbing the rest, thus turning all the energy into heat thus it is warmer. Vice versa for the purple which sits on the other edge of observable light spectrum. IR and UV infrared and ultraviolet.

  • @xerxes-ei9gl
    @xerxes-ei9gl 3 года назад +1

    I loved the lesson..it was really informative

  • @freffo3407
    @freffo3407 3 года назад +4

    Woah, that firetruck is way too close to where i live! Falköping

  • @allgravygames
    @allgravygames 3 года назад +1

    Great video!

  • @FreedomEscapismASMR
    @FreedomEscapismASMR 3 месяца назад

    Love the video, as per usual, great content ❤🖌🎨
    Please could you make a video about colours that go well together. There is info around but I prefer Proko videos. Thank you ❤

  • @sinda7080
    @sinda7080 3 года назад +1

    Very cool break down

  • @valty3727
    @valty3727 2 года назад

    this was an amazing video!

  • @davidekstrom9595
    @davidekstrom9595 3 года назад +1

    Proko your amazing!

  • @antonioblanco3086
    @antonioblanco3086 3 года назад +1

    Great Class! Thank you!

  • @RadiantCandyEye
    @RadiantCandyEye 3 года назад

    Thank you so much for sharing

  • @rodrigososa6098
    @rodrigososa6098 3 года назад +2

    Damn, digital software really help you out with color harmony

  • @ammbr
    @ammbr 2 года назад

    amazing!

  • @TaliaOutwrong
    @TaliaOutwrong 3 года назад +1

    Love Tiffany as a presenter!

  • @danielc5647
    @danielc5647 3 года назад +1

    IMPRESSIVE THANK YOU VERY MUCH

  • @psi2181
    @psi2181 3 года назад +1

    Thx. very helpful

  • @Maxcriber
    @Maxcriber 3 года назад +1

    Beautiful Tiffanie Mang

  • @OoziHobo
    @OoziHobo 3 года назад +4

    Me, after having taken Marco Bucci's Color course on Proko: ...wait, I already know this stuff. Cool!

    • @TiffanieMangArt
      @TiffanieMangArt 3 года назад +2

      thats a great feeling! Marco is the man.

    • @OoziHobo
      @OoziHobo 3 года назад

      @@TiffanieMangArt I still learned a thing or two from you, too. :P

  • @yogeshp2k3
    @yogeshp2k3 3 года назад +1

    Cool video, learn many things about color

  • @Tat2TankT
    @Tat2TankT 3 года назад +1

    Umm oh hell yeah bro good shit thanks for sharing

  • @WaynesWorldStudioVancouver
    @WaynesWorldStudioVancouver 3 года назад +1

    Loving it, sign me up!

  • @Lima_Lima_Lima
    @Lima_Lima_Lima 3 года назад

    Thanks 😃

  • @aziaziaziaziaziaziazia9422
    @aziaziaziaziaziaziazia9422 3 года назад +2

    Thanks stan, can you do drapery and clothes tutorial

  • @brotherfullmer
    @brotherfullmer 3 года назад +1

    Wow - Wow - Wow. She is amazing.

  • @fakerrain
    @fakerrain 3 года назад +6

    Some say art isn't like math. Those people have never messed with color.

    • @Storse
      @Storse 3 года назад +2

      or perspective.

    • @LyubomirIko
      @LyubomirIko 3 года назад +2

      @@Storse or composition

    • @PuripuriDrawings
      @PuripuriDrawings 3 года назад

      And we are talking about drawing, but what about music? That's pure maths 👀