Over The Top? DATA Cables In Domestic
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- Getting started on running power and data into the office. Unfortunately for me there is 29 data cables to run in this property.
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Me and my dad put cat5e though our house back in the 2000’s
At the time my mum was like, why the hell do we need 8 ports per room 🤷♂️
Fast forward 20 years and there still in use today, and their a godsend!
Put what you can in while the floors are up!
Switches are so cheap, why do you need 8 ports per room?
Can be cheaper to have just one switch and easier to manage. @UhOhUmm
@@ortivox That, and it can be used for different purposes if you patch rather than switch. Can run a land line (ha ha), HDMI-over-Ethernet, PoE devices, even non-Ethernet stuff like temperature sensors or thermostats, anything that tolerates a long twisted pair can be ran over Ethernet... as long as it can be connected to something appropriate at the patch panel.
@@UhOhUmm Latency, and ease of troubleshooting in the future.
@@UhOhUmmmaybe they are divided to different corners of the room so need for long extension cables. You dont know if the room will be used the same 10 years from now.
When we had an extension we had a complete re-wire. Got the electrician to run 2 cat 6 points to every corner of every room, 20+ to the office, 20+ to my garages/ workshops and a fibre run to every room, a wired access point in each room/outbuilding, cctv and 4 behind each tv, even a couple of waterproof ones on the deck. Over the top, yes but have come in handy. Biggest regret was agreeing that the spark ran all the cables and I would terminate them. Ended up being over 200 runs and it was mind numbing however all being terminated to a central location means I can run anything to anywhere I.e. HD base T and all my equipment is on one place.
Bet your fingers were sore after all those data terminations 😅
Fibre to rooms is a bit over the top but the rest is spot on, I have a 4 core armoured OM3 link from my garden office to house. Nice 20Gbs link at the moment but have some 50Gbs fibre transceivers on the shelf for after the sommer holidays....
Nick, if doing that many network cables and also chasing it, be better they all go to a central location and into a patch panel and to face plates rather than RJ45 ends this would prevent that main cable getting damaged from use
@@timballam3675is that 20Gbps on a single lambda? Or multiple 10Gb links? I've not seen an IEEE ratified standard for 20Gbs interfaces on fiber, I thought it was 25? That said, I'm not sure I've seen any single lane 50 either. We tend to use multiples of 10, 25, 40 and 100 on MTP/MTO.
Bore off bellend
When I see people asking about data cabling for new builds or rewires, I always say put twice as much in as you think you'll need then add a few more. Damn sight easier then than later!
@@mastweiler22 the Brunel method
Nick try to avoid using CCA cable for Networking, it's not suitable for PoE applications like security cameras and wireless access points. Stick with solid copper cables, they're about 50% more expensive on a box than CCA but it could save you a headache in the future!
What type of solid copper cables do you mean?
@@calebbrookes7896 Network cables like Cat5e and Cat6 / 6A are either sold as CCA or copper. Solid copper are the better option for infrastructure, terminate at a face plate and then use a patch cable to connect.
I don't think Nick is using CCA here, as far as I know CCS doesn't supply CCA cable. Still a valid point, to avoid CCA cable though.
Can't agree more. CCA has a higher attenuation and also will break easier if bent. This is from experience in my own house.
@@MathewSpearey 11:43 there's a box of CCA on the floor - ruclips.net/video/wDTDv7Wbt3Y/видео.html
Great video Nick - love learning some of the little tricks you have to make life easier. While I'm not in the trade, I've learnt enough to talk about what I want with my sparky and understand the convo. And wire in some Shelly Pro relays
When I renovated and extended a UK house in 2012, I put a minimum of dual Cat6 cables in every room and more where PCs, laptops, and servers would be.
As always, the nod to going the extra mile to do the best job. awesome work ethic mate. Loved the video
When we bought our house back in 2018 I tore the house apart and install Cat 6 absolutely everywhere. 30 cables in total back to patch panels in the garage.
The materials were not that expensive and I done the work myself. Best thing I ever done. WIfi is no substitute and data cables can be used for other things also. I use one for extending HDMI.
I ran 24 runs of Cat6a when we stripped our house last year, all ready for data and POE needs running on Ubiquiti gear, great feeling knowing I can get same wifi speeds from the front of the drive to the end of the back garden. 🤣
O.goodie
I have:
*1)* The modem in a big plastic vented enclosure near the front door.
*2)* Modem hidden out of the way with 13A plug inside enclosure. External switch to power off and reboot modem. Telephone line socket inside enclosure.
*3)* Each room has an RJ45 socket, some with two, with one over the kitchen worktop for the laptop and behind the wall mounted TV.
*4)* Each RJ45 cable runs back to the modem enclosure with each cable having an RJ45 socket.
*5)* RJ45 Jumper cables from modem to RJ45 socket in enclosure to each point.
Simple, neat and easy. No cables seen anywhere.
Can I ask what the enclosure is / where from. I need one but can't find what I want
I've put in 50 network points (CAT 7), whilst we've had some work done on the house. Not quite as many as some have, but in the living room, six points to were the TV / Media system is.
In the bedrooms, some have three points, others two. I've tried to put a point in each room either side of the door, or where a desk / tv will go.
I can always use a mini switch if I've not provided enough. And yes, I'm still terminating cables.
Again it's not for now, but for the next 40 years.
A regret I do have, was not putting cat 6e next to room light switches and lights in the ceiling when they were redone (so if they ever needed to be controlled via and IP system).
Impressive stuff. I remember I got my previous house rewired it was a mess the whole house was like a bomb went off, nothing like what you've done it.
I’ve got 62 cat6 data ports in my house. Don’t forget to run cat6 to ceilings for poe access points.
I have 50mm ducting to all the major parts of the house and outbuildings too - 10 years from the install and I can still add more things in
Great video Nick very tidy conduit work and I'll use that one some day. Cheers
I'm extending my house right now and every room is getting data ports and an exchange to share two physical phone lines and networks :) No more WiFi latency, no more fighting over bandwidth.
I had 48 ports installed, cat6e. Total overkill but still going fine, 10yrs on. Best to have lines in the ceiling for access points.
Good Work Nick.
Hi I’m a retired electrician. I remember vir cable, interesting that you found some that was still in good condition - the ones I found the rubber had become solid and crumbled to bits if you so much as looked at it
Data cables are a must - WiFi is hot garbage with all the interference. From an ISP support perspective, when customers are having speed issues, the first thing we do is say are you on WiFi? if yes, we say OK now try on a cable? no issue? great use a cable. My suggestion is to only use it for things where you absolutely can't use Ethernet cables. There are just too many factors at play with WiFi that can cause you all manner of issues.
Nice work Nick!
Interesting to see how electrical installations in the uk are made and how different it all is compared how we do it in the Netherlands.
I did a complete refurb of my London flat and even though I have Cat6 in every room now biggest regret is not having additional cat6 to some of the light switches and more cat6 outlets in the rooms - not because i need more, but because some are not in the right place
I think that jole drilled near that notch for paipe or old cable run is waaay too close.
Probably a bit harder with 25mm but a handy trick with 20mm oval is to squish the end a few mm into the back box. Two benefits. Don't need grommets, and easier to rewire in future.
Have used this technique in the next video on the rewire mate, I wish everyone did this 30 years ago, to make our lives easier on rewires
Thank you man. This is a great video.
lol every time a sparky runs more than 4 CAT6 they think it’s mental 😂 Welcome to the world of home automation Nick! Wait until you start pulling in 100-200 for the bigger houses 👍🏼
Top job on the labelling wish all the electricians I worked with did as nicer job as that!
The labelling was *does Nicks beautiful kiss thing*
Nice leaflet placement on the windowsill! 😉😂
Interesting, first time I have seen a plastic channel in the wall like that. Probably neat solution for for a wall mounted TV too.
For comparison, in Norway I would have used pre pulled corrugated plastic conduit and Castor DKS in the walls.
Top job nick, nice to have the time to do it so neatly. I spent 10 years installing data in offices and factory’s , some offices with over 2000 cat 6 points, the terminating at the patch panels were mind numbingly painful to do.
yeah I can imagine mate 29 was enough for me
Ignore the haters, Nick. I love all your content, and I think you do a great job. It's why I recommend you to my friend, in Warwick, to do his rewire. You did it a few months ago. (Chris Wright). Keep up the good work 👍
Honestly since Adam gone your 💪 are getting bigger ... lol ... good job like all the new kit your using
That was a really neat job.
When I bought my house, I flooded it with data cabling, totalling 56 points, back to the cabinet, plus six more going to the garage through a 600mm deep trench, all cat 6.
Guess what? It wasnt enough.
Ive since had to go back and add more in almost every room, especially the loft and the kitchen.
Just like sockets, you cant have too many data outlets.
very impressed with the installation but confused why you didn't suggest dado trunking in the office.
I like the heat shrink labels. Would it work to label consumer unit tails, earth, neutral and line tails seperate. That could be a game changer on eicr maintenance, as the more times they are delved into the less neat they would get.
Have a look at using a media plate for all them data’s and sockets, it’s one plate with 2x double sockets and 8 Euro mods
We brought a Milwaukee stapler, but the iron bark hard wood frames in a lot of the older houses makes it useless.
Good work be careful with running date side by side to power, you can get signal degradation, look at double shielding as a minimum if parallel and min 100 mm gap!
Oah dear... I guess he didn't even thing of that before you commented... Time to read the regs buddy.
With Cat6 cable it's much less of an issue. EV Cables even have some Cat5 built in now.
First time here kidda, just earned yourself a sub.. ;) Was doing installs for many years. Never seen that stapler thingy. TBH I don't like the idea. Struggle to get ya cables out if anything goes wrong years after install. I do all my networking aswell. Looking forward to see what switches and other gear is installed. Well done..Working on ya own. Quite a big job for ya lonesome that is. I watched a guy a few months ago installing CAT5e on a new install. I critiqued, maybe i shouldn't of but Cat5? I asked why he replied its perfectly fine.........
thanks mate
I do chuckle at VIR stopping in the 1950s and then having 15 years or there about of decent T&E before the horror show that is green goo T&E from 1965-1972.
Really like the all around band holding in the conduit with a nailer. Did you stop using flexicon because of plastering issues? Also triple blading the chaser sounds like a winner for skutching out the debris. Top video with some absolute gold. The main negative is the £400 odd quid I'm going to have to spend on the nailer and stapler.
nice job but always a but why not just use an adjustable square for the measuring down the joist , better than a stick thing😄
Good work mate 👍🏽
Doing a top job! 🙌🙌🙌
Nice work. We can't run into such a shallow box though - there's no room for the mech and cable, whilst maintaining minimum bend radii to the manufacturers minimum. I'd be getting a fail on the compliance checker.
We don't use cable ties either - velcro is king... That or we are using staples designed for C6. The last two story here in Australia, we installed a meter enclosure outside, with four non-RCD breakers going to subs on each floor, the basement and the shed. Out of there, we had local radials and applicances. 3 Phase subs with everything using AFDDs - mental trying to keep everything correct and in the same switching domain. 30 final sub-circuits and about 60 data outlets in an inner-Melbourne three-story on a 290M2 block. Such a PITA job....
Came here to say this - I'd be careful of the metal clips and defo use velcro for Cat6. Also, deeper backboxes (35mm at least) would be better. Terminating with RJ45 and using a 'passthrough' patch panel for home use isn't the end of the world. Personally I'd rather go straight to a patch panel and punch down. Though I have no good stories of sparkies terminating Cat5 / 6 :D
Ain’t going to get a failure on short runs may be on say 90 meter runs, usually caused by bad terminations or jacket burn damaging polyethylene coating covering copper core or split pairs…….
Can almost never have too much Cat6 in walls. Minimum of 2 drops per room, 4-8 in an office/behind media centre in lounge. Several in the ceiling for PoE access points ... jobs a good un.
Did a 6 bed mansion. Ran cat 6nto every tv in the house and a few extra dor some rooms.
Great video as always 👌🏻
Dear Nick please check CAT 5 and CAT6 standards. Fixed wiring is single core and must terminate on a patch or socket outlet. The IDC connection are not designed for solid and can fail. Patch cable is stranded and matches the IDC. Solid core IDC is a v shape. I learnt the hard way at a large install at the Natural History Museum in London where my install of 100s of connections was rejected by inspection.
You can get faceplates and keystone jacks that are compatible with stranded cable. You can also get RJ45 plugs that are compatible with solid core. The reason that solid core is used in the fix bit is *purely* down to cost. It's like electrical wiring you can use stranded to run your ring main but it would be a lot more expensive so nobody does.
Having ethernet socket(s) at each destination is a good idea for neatness, but from a practical standpoint, adding a patch panel near where the network switch goes is a bit overkill for residential. That adds cost and complexity, takes up space, and that location is still going to be a rat's nest of cables. Many of the RJ45 connectors I see on Amazon say they are rated for both stranded and solid wire. And for my house I've periodically added new cables and have found it easier to just buy cables with premade ends of the desired length - especially for outdoor POE cameras where a weather rated cable is nice. For POE devices I'd rather have fewer connections.
Hello Nick please what size chisels did you use so the 25mm trunking could fit in nicely
For me personally it would be too much. I work in IT so I pull a lot of data cable. For my home I prefer a really fast wifi solution for most devices. I have data POE ran for cameras, doorbell, wifi points and even to my shed so there is wifi and cctv down there. I think I have 13-14 runs. 29 seems excessive but then again given the amount of sockets this customer wants... not surprised.
BEAUTIFUL WORK
Thank you! Cheers bud
Could you do a video what keep on your person, like what you keep in your pockets at all time?
Had so many issues with 3rd party heat shrink labels. Brother do seem to make it hard to use them. I can get them to print but get the same warning message.
The Brother original are so expensive and only having 1.5m with the waste a Brother printer can have whilst printing can rack up the cost.
Excellent quality of work Nick ..I am looking to run a Cat 6 cable externally on an outside wall of my house, is there any type of small oval capping that you know off.
I’d use 20-25mm round conduit mate 👍
Nick. With the pipe work being run over the joists, I've seen metal plates being added to protect against screws, nails. Also those place where cables have been notched in the joists. Would you consider this if not a total rewire?
I'd say 29 is underkill... When we moved here we ran just shy of 1000m of cat 6a, 63 points termating to a room at the back of the garage. Most of them are in use now.
Every room should have bare minimum of two network outlets (ideally at least four, for each wall), and each outlet should have at least two network jacks, so 4 to 8 network cables per room. And that's not even considering network runs for cameras and wiif access points. You're not installing network cabling for what you plan to do in the rooms today, but to accommodate what you or any future owners might want to do in the future. And it should all be at least Cat 6, if not Cat 6A, for future speed improvements. In that context, 29 doesn't seem like much.
Nick, thank you so much foe your efforts to tecord and doxument everything, and pass on your experience - it is much appreciated. I am not an electrician by trade but tackling a home data project, and this video was spot on.
Im in the process of dragging my grandparents' 1905 house into the 21st-century and by god is it putting up a fight! as the walls have what appears to be flint in them making it difficult to drill or chase cables in Im now having to use conduit to put runs into the few rooms that need it as the walls are so thick wifi does not get to where its needed! Really the place needs to be stripped right back to brick and start from fresh but they are too old at this point for such upheaval, thats the next owners problem!
I prefer to use 20mm oval and squish the ends slightly, they fit into the metal knock out boxes perfect and dont need a grommet, its a old school way I was taught during training and done it that way ever since for last 20 years
Never have enough cat cables. Great video mind you. Very I teresting
Finally, Nick, some decent content. Something to learn from….
I installed cat6 to every room, all running back to my office.......ended up ripping it out and replacing with fibre optic to each room with switches in each room, so much easier to manage fibre optic cable than multiple runs of cat6, gives expandability in each room as well
Having to have a specific switch in each room of the home with the relevant SFP connectors, or even fibre convertors is just insanely unimaginable for 99.9% of homeowners. It'd also be probably even less of a number that'll ever even remotely hit the throughput cap on cat6 let alone fibre. God forbit you drilled through one and had to re-run it rather than just rejoining the cable with a connector.
@@friskyfrogs4747 with a use case of 4 runs per room and a capacity of 8, it quickly adds up, I had a 48 port switch in my office nearly max'd out, that was a huge PIA to cable manage. Now I have 8 pairs of fibre optic cables taking up a faction of the space and I have expandability in every room beyond the 8. Appreciate it's not for every home, but home automation and distributed AV soon puts a demand on individual runs going back to a central location.
If the new holes you drilled were between 0.25 and 0.40 of the span from the support around min 9 it must be a very small room ?
350mm that’s some thick joists 😂😂
What heat gun do you use Nick!? I have a DeWalt but it’s a little overkill and I’m looking to get a smaller one for fitting shrink wrap to cable.
Would the office possibly have been better off in 100x50 compartment trunking, quicker, cheaper, flexibility for future movements and able to be removed if converted back to a bedroom.
That’s a lot of cable 😁
Finally, someone else who is a member of the church of heatshrink label printing
great video, tidy work, got a question about the oval conduit, have never used it always use round 20mm white pvc, goes inside the box and can usually pull an extra cable in if missed, live in Northern Ireland and round 20mm pvc would be the norm, is there any other reason you use oval?
So. UK electricians just DADO a slot in the wall for the electrical wires? What is the protection for that?
Really need to use a dedicated space out of sight for Data and CCTV cabling such as the loft. if that office ever needs to have a change of purpose then it will look awful with cat 6 out of the wall and way too many power sockets, I would usually advise clients to purchase a Power Distribution Bar (PDU) which can give up 8+ sockets and be mounted on wall of fixed underneath desk
Ceiling mounted Unfi AP Pro in every floor would be very reliable also and may need more than one on ground floor for garden wifi also
@@chandreshvarsani2190 Yep, I got a single U6 mounted top of the stairs which is pretty central. Just added one into the garage as drive way / garden was low signal. But please, feed the cable through the celing, not putting a network plate ON the ceiling! Putting a cab in the loft is preferable, unless you have a central cupboard - just watch for heat it if it gets hot in summer. Mine has been okay, even during the 40 degree summer. Just.
I guess I'm crazy and sticking with 90 plus % wireless everything in residential.
Iv came across cable with a fabric covering as well as rubber...very odd, I'm guessing
Please dont terminate the CAT6 to RJ45's. They should go to modules.
I was so happy this week to have a spare data outlet in the living room. Wanted to install a remote digital temperature sensor and was not looking forward to drilling a hole in the concrete floor. Chopped a patch cable in two and soldered one end to the sensor and the other end to the special plug on the monitor - much simpler!
Why does the VIR cable look like the Romex cable we have over here?!
I'm going to be running fibre cables alongside CAT 7 on my refurb.. then I'll know I'm 100% future proof but I'll be running inset conduit should I need to change cables should the intranet develop any issues.
11:53 Adams mum know the feeling
Make your life easier, instead of worrying about the hole weakening the joists, get one of those reinforcement metals then you can make a big a hole as you want for days.
350mm thick joists? Are you sure?😁Also, that's a lot of data. Good job man. Noice
My biggest Pet hate; Sparkies running data cables 😏
@@TornTech1 my biggest pet hate is that last bit of wee that dribbles out after your finished 😬
Oh yeah! That’s horrendous! Can’t shake it off either right… otherwise it goes over the front of your shorts/jeans and is super obvious!
Out of interest, what is the make and model of that lable printer and the heatshrink you are using?
set up your square save time when repeat measuring
good shout
@@NBundyElectrical of course there is a 99% chance that once you have finished put the boards back andcthey carpet is down you will realise you left it in the void
@@firsteerr that is a very high possibility, mate. I wouldn’t be the first time.
@@NBundyElectrical I have left the minimum for five complete fans tool kits under floors in ceiling voids over the years at least
Your label printer, do you update its software btw? Because unless there's a software problem or a general issue running the printer, you should never update the firmware because what this does is update the software that recognises after market cartages or universal ones to refuse to work with them not because of hardware, but intentional software blocks. And when they release a new update, it's due to new cartages having it's chip software updated to bypass the manufacturers software blocks.
Just like with inkjet printers, unless there's a problem, never update the firmware or you'll find it no longer works with any of your cartages.
Think the earth might have been tinned copper... not sure did,nt seem to tarnish ...even very old terminations were ok. when unscrewed....
Tidy job. If it's a smaller house, these days, I'd run Cat6e to make it future proof at 10Gb. We ran Cat5 when this house was built, every room, every socket, every light switch, I'm slowly swapping it out as needed. I put it in an old newbuild many years ago, the person that bought it off me wanted to cut it out because he wasn't "computer literate", I suggest he just ignored it. The person who bought it off them emailed me out of the blue and thanked me for putting it in which cheered me up. Always put it in if you can.
Cat5e will do 10gb no need for cat6
Nick, the capping with the all round band is a game changer. I have to confess I got this idea of you a while back and it’s helped me out so much so thank you 🙏🏻 👊🏻👏🏻. Great work and attention to detail as always.
Over the top? Naw, I installed a backbone of OM4 in my house that runs up through three stories that will do me for 100gbit with current tech with a change of optics and probably more in future (though I'm using it to connect three switches at 10gbit). That's probably over the top - but I know I won't need to touch it for 20 years so swings and roundabouts. People who rely on wifi are mad as a bag of cats, particularly if they consume media or WFH.
Hey - that's the way to do it. I have OS2 to the shed, 400M away, installed 19 years ago. I've got fibre right around the property now... Simpler to use.
@@tcpnetworks Ha, I considered fibre to a new garage connection. And between floors. Ultimately I decided a short 10gb run on the Cat6 will do me. (replaced the rubbish Cat5 the sparky ran to the garage though!). Please tell me you have a media server and aren't just browsing the web :D
over the top? I've got 28 in my gaff and i thought i was quite conservative!
all new build houses should come with data cabling to every room
Like it mate
Omg love it
This is the bare minimum of data runs if you’re going to bother to install networking
U’ilise or utilise? The only thing you continue to say that gets on my nerves! 🤣
Love the vids nick!
like garlic bread , its the future i have two in each room ready for all sorts hard wired is better then why fy
That is one small office with too much infrastructure.
I remember the smell just looking at VIR….
12:44 And add "Brother" to the blacklist right next to HP with their "genuine cartridge" tyranny.
I use non genuine cartrages in my brother heatshrink/label machine, and the postage label machine. Just wish i could work out how to stop the wasteage on the heatshrink. Do i really need a huge off cut piece, what a waste.
i have 25 devices scattered over 3 floors/2200sqft + outbuilding at the bottom of the garden, all served over wifi-6 by a single ax1100.
*no data cables needed🔌*
the router happily pumps out full bandwith across the house.
mind boggling that people are still dropping cables in 2024😆
20 years of experience of wifi equipment in the real world is plenty enough reason not to rely on it. Of course, we have wildly differing definitions of 'full bandwidth'..
Good for you. Performance must be only barely adequate. Those calculations don't work for performance, reliability. End devices connecting at AX wouldn't be very happy on the fringes.
How does the Power over ethernet for things like phones (as we move to VOIP), cameras etc work? Backbone of cable, suppliment with Wi-Fi
@@Monkeh616
full bandwith:
400mb at the hub
400mb at the bottom of the garden.
in the real world even McDonalds or the local village library can happily serve 100 users with free wifi simoutaneously.
@@tcpnetworks
pretending something doesnt exist, doesnt stop it from existing.
as a progressive, i will try something (in real life) instead of making up a false narriative.
if i know for sure i have tested a solution then i can present my findings with confidence and ensure i am not spreading mis-truths.
no one is going to stop you spending thousands on obselete data cable, i will stick with routers which will only get faster with the passage of time.
your cable once installed, you are stuck with it till you rip it all out again.
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