Owners cry too expensive and today's driver cry fear and safety. I never thought I would hear a race car driver talk of fear of speed!!!! It's soy I swear! Would love to see it as well.
@@chrissnyder3430 did you not see what happened to Robert Wickens it's a miracle he's still alive. Should I remind you of Pocono or even Las Vegas. They just need to raise the walls and get rid of the catch fence poles.
say it with me...no one shows up to oval races. no one shows up to oval races. no one shows up to oval races. Even Tony george pivoted when he realized oval racing had lost popularity. 3 or 4 oval races is all the schedule can support while being economically viable.
@Rdwomack Modern IndyCar has almost become what CART was between the late 80s/early 90s and circa 2000. It's gone from what tony george wanted to what he wanted to get away from. And I love it. 2012 is looking to be the rebirth of a proper american open wheel series.
It's now an insufferably boring series dominated by street and road courses dominated by elite teams.....just like that overrated era of CART you speak of. And they're not racing at Michigan anymore. BORING!
no one shows up to oval races outside of indy......milwaukee, fontana, phoenix, iowa...the only ovals clinging to the schedule are the few that draw a decent amount of fans. Even Tony George himself pivoted away from ovals when he figured out it wasn’t sustainable. Oval racing isn’t popular anymore. 2019 had 7 different race winners and 6 in 2020....which is consistent with IRL pre-merger
The track is largely a 2.0 mile track suited for the turbo-charged champcars more so than the IRL N/A powered cars. The problem was the aerodynamics you could run minimal aero but the horsepower maxes out on speed on a moderately banked true speedway. Infinity had Chevrolet beat on horsepower at Michigan with Cheever's Red Bull squad that year. It simply turned the race into a Michitona 400 style race but with under powered Indycars. These cars at Michigan didn't really make the racing great when they replaced CART besides the 2003 close finish. Don't forget also Michigan has more banking than its younger sister track at Fontana. Fontana on the other hand isn't widely known for going three-wide around the turns at all and you can actually pull away.
That could have had a small part to do with it, but it was probably more the fact that up to 2003, the engines were 3.5L methanol burning V8s. From 2004-2006, they reduced the displacement to 3.0L, and switched back to 3.5L in 2007 to compensate for the reduced HP that was caused by the switch to 100% ethanol fuel. 2002-2003, the cars made around 675HP, 2004-2011, they only made about 620HP.
CART didn't want to become America's version of F1. CART found out that it was more lucrative to have road and street course races because they made more money, attracted a larger crowd, and was cheaper for the team. CART also found out that have the "1/3" model was very successful meaning the race schedule would be 1/3 ovals, 1/3 road courses, and 1/3 street circuits. This is the very same model used in today's Indycar and so far it's working like a charm and challenges the drivers too.
Its not 1/3 its 2/3.... it takes the same dicipline and skill to drive a road as it does a street, a totally different dicipline for oval... its 2/3 street/road skill, and 1/3 oval skill. That's not ballanced. and its not working like a charm.
@DrDenisSaralho I prefer diversity. Ovals, road courses, street races. IRL is perfect for me. Open wheel racing that tests a diverse set of skills. Plus, a good side my side race is really exciting. That's just my opinion.
Haha I don't know how old you are but I lived through the 1990's and followed CART and the even the IRL even after the split. Whether CART was taking on F1 can be debated but I think it was pushed on CART rather then CART doing it purposely. Ever since Mansell came over and guys like JV and Montoya went to F1 this "fight" has been raging for ages. As for taking on NASCAR - they were fighting each other. There's a reason why NASCAR couldn't come up north until Tony George open Indy and the north.
swine what are the names of the team mechanics of Tomas scheckter # 52 Red Bull Oustide front oustide rear left front left rear fueler and air jack /vent plase say thenames
Tomas crashed 6 times in 10 races, blowing multiple wins and podiums as an obviously fast and ballsy rookie. His boss Eddie Cheever was trying to teach him, whilst also being financially hit by his crashes and being jealous of his talent. Cheever was made to look like the washed up driver he was AND scheckter wasn't getting the results. The race before Scheckter was leading and Cheever didn't give him room while getting lapped. Tomas crashed yet again. This went from being cheever and the team frustrated with Tomas to Tomas being angry with cheever too
@MWcrazyhorse No we enjoy racing - but we enjoy racing where anyone can win and not just the top guys. Billions of dollars to win - that's insane and why would anyone want to enter that? NASCAR, Indycar, sportcar racing, and endurance racing - which Americans loves - you can come in and be competitive with a great team. You can say that for F1. You need tons and tons of money and even with that that doesn't guarantee you nothing (ask Toyota). As I said two different cultures.
@MWcrazyhorse F1 is shown in the United States. A few races are shown on public channels like Fox. Most races are shown on SPEED. The reason why F1 isn't big in the USA because the cultures are too different. As anyone who switches to European style racing to US racing - they'll tell your its totally different. The same goes the other way around. European style racing is way to serious to us. I think many Europeans feel American style racing is more show then go.
@fordfocusonme aha, thx for that answer. Yes racing is business, not just in europe but especially. The top manufacteurers Mercedes, Ferari, Renault easily spend a billion dollars each on developing new cars and motors. It is prestige and commercial, evidently one needs the best drivers and best mechanics too if one can get them. Now you got yourself a race!! Even if americans don't care enough for racing, a good performance by a u.s manufacteurer would still benefit his company, no?
Do some research I can't post links but there was writers in the early 1990s saying CART was making mistakes Taking on F1 rather than Nascar. Working like Charm? Guess I must have missed the memo of Increased Sponsorship Money and Media Attention.
@fordfocusonme elite head... because it is the biggest and best racing on earth and viewed all across the globe from Europe to Asia to South America to North America (excluding the U.S). You can be whatever fan you please, ofcourse. May I ask a sincere question however, why is it that the U.S has no F1 grand prix and has no driver and has no team or manufacturer. Is it even broadcasted in the U.S?
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Indycar needs to bring back the three 500 mile Triple Crown. it's long overdue and it would give us fans something else fun to pay attention to
Yep Indy, Texas, and Michigan.
Owners cry too expensive and today's driver cry fear and safety. I never thought I would hear a race car driver talk of fear of speed!!!! It's soy I swear! Would love to see it as well.
@@chrissnyder3430 did you not see what happened to Robert Wickens it's a miracle he's still alive. Should I remind you of Pocono or even Las Vegas. They just need to raise the walls and get rid of the catch fence poles.
Amen
say it with me...no one shows up to oval races. no one shows up to oval races. no one shows up to oval races. Even Tony george pivoted when he realized oval racing had lost popularity. 3 or 4 oval races is all the schedule can support while being economically viable.
This was a time, when motorsport was something great
@Rdwomack Modern IndyCar has almost become what CART was between the late 80s/early 90s and circa 2000. It's gone from what tony george wanted to what he wanted to get away from.
And I love it. 2012 is looking to be the rebirth of a proper american open wheel series.
It's now an insufferably boring series dominated by street and road courses dominated by elite teams.....just like that overrated era of CART you speak of. And they're not racing at Michigan anymore. BORING!
no one shows up to oval races outside of indy......milwaukee, fontana, phoenix, iowa...the only ovals clinging to the schedule are the few that draw a decent amount of fans. Even Tony George himself pivoted away from ovals when he figured out it wasn’t sustainable. Oval racing isn’t popular anymore. 2019 had 7 different race winners and 6 in 2020....which is consistent with IRL pre-merger
Indycar really needs to get back to MIS!!!
love these old races , thanks:) !
WE WANT MICHIGAN BACK!
Disclaimer: This is the 2002 Michigan Indy 400...
Great upload Thanks Indycar.
That was my 2nd race that I've seen on IRL, that gave me good rememberings.
Sarah Fisher should have won this race. She was so competitive near the finish.
And Felipe giaffone should have won
@@paulonatanaeldossantossana3909 He did win the next race at Kentucky
5 years later IN 2008 Danica patrick finally stop the brazilians drivers humilated Girls drivers in japan
She burned her tires up too early, you could see late she couldn't hold the bottom line.
The track is largely a 2.0 mile track suited for the turbo-charged champcars more so than the IRL N/A powered cars. The problem was the aerodynamics you could run minimal aero but the horsepower maxes out on
speed on a moderately banked true speedway.
Infinity had Chevrolet beat on horsepower at Michigan with Cheever's Red Bull squad that year.
It simply turned the race into a Michitona 400 style race but with under powered Indycars. These cars at Michigan didn't really make the racing great when they replaced CART besides the 2003 close finish.
Don't forget also Michigan has more banking than its younger sister track at Fontana. Fontana on the other hand isn't widely known for going three-wide around the turns at all and you can actually pull away.
paul page rocks!
That could have had a small part to do with it, but it was probably more the fact that up to 2003, the engines were 3.5L methanol burning V8s. From 2004-2006, they reduced the displacement to 3.0L, and switched back to 3.5L in 2007 to compensate for the reduced HP that was caused by the switch to 100% ethanol fuel. 2002-2003, the cars made around 675HP, 2004-2011, they only made about 620HP.
CART didn't want to become America's version of F1. CART found out that it was more lucrative to have road and street course races because they made more money, attracted a larger crowd, and was cheaper for the team. CART also found out that have the "1/3" model was very successful meaning the race schedule would be 1/3 ovals, 1/3 road courses, and 1/3 street circuits. This is the very same model used in today's Indycar and so far it's working like a charm and challenges the drivers too.
that indyfan guy thinks cart should have taken on nascar? um...that's what the irl tried to do. and look at the races today. mostly road
Its not 1/3 its 2/3.... it takes the same dicipline and skill to drive a road as it does a street, a totally different dicipline for oval... its 2/3 street/road skill, and 1/3 oval skill. That's not ballanced. and its not working like a charm.
ILSRWY4 i love the road course ppl that want to separate road and street lol I suggested we change some ovals to circles so we can get more races
CLEARLY Sarah Fisher was a much better racer than Danica Patrick
Felipe giaffone is better that sarah Fisher
But Danica would win one race that's the big difference. But Fisher had an extraordinary talent.
You’d think he has Sarah’s name tattood on his arm
nice race.. Scheckter is a good driver.
When he had the lead, he will pull away!!
@MWcrazyhorse yes fox has part of the season
@DrDenisSaralho I prefer diversity. Ovals, road courses, street races. IRL is perfect for me. Open wheel racing that tests a diverse set of skills. Plus, a good side my side race is really exciting. That's just my opinion.
look at all the empty stands
Haha I don't know how old you are but I lived through the 1990's and followed CART and the even the IRL even after the split. Whether CART was taking on F1 can be debated but I think it was pushed on CART rather then CART doing it purposely. Ever since Mansell came over and guys like JV and Montoya went to F1 this "fight" has been raging for ages. As for taking on NASCAR - they were fighting each other. There's a reason why NASCAR couldn't come up north until Tony George open Indy and the north.
so, what was the drama with Tomas Scheckter and his team? i wasn't really a fan of the irl at this point
swine what are the names of the team mechanics of Tomas scheckter # 52 Red Bull Oustide front oustide rear left front left rear fueler and air jack /vent plase say thenames
Tomas crashed 6 times in 10 races, blowing multiple wins and podiums as an obviously fast and ballsy rookie. His boss Eddie Cheever was trying to teach him, whilst also being financially hit by his crashes and being jealous of his talent. Cheever was made to look like the washed up driver he was AND scheckter wasn't getting the results. The race before Scheckter was leading and Cheever didn't give him room while getting lapped. Tomas crashed yet again. This went from being cheever and the team frustrated with Tomas to Tomas being angry with cheever too
They were. A bit, but I think they lapped at around 216-218 mph average.
Still hurts to see those stands empty
@ah996 They were a bit quicker back then. They were making almost 700 hp instead of the 625 of today
Damn . I love these cameras
@MWcrazyhorse No we enjoy racing - but we enjoy racing where anyone can win and not just the top guys. Billions of dollars to win - that's insane and why would anyone want to enter that? NASCAR, Indycar, sportcar racing, and endurance racing - which Americans loves - you can come in and be competitive with a great team. You can say that for F1. You need tons and tons of money and even with that that doesn't guarantee you nothing (ask Toyota). As I said two different cultures.
Wish they would come back.
@MWcrazyhorse F1 is shown in the United States. A few races are shown on public channels like Fox. Most races are shown on SPEED.
The reason why F1 isn't big in the USA because the cultures are too different. As anyone who switches to European style racing to US racing - they'll tell your its totally different. The same goes the other way around. European style racing is way to serious to us. I think many Europeans feel American style racing is more show then go.
As I am watching the races of this season I can see Eddie Cheever's hair get greyer and greyer....
@fordfocusonme aha, thx for that answer. Yes racing is business, not just in europe but especially. The top manufacteurers Mercedes, Ferari, Renault easily spend a billion dollars each on developing new cars and motors. It is prestige and commercial, evidently one needs the best drivers and best mechanics too if one can get them. Now you got yourself a race!! Even if americans don't care enough for racing, a good performance by a u.s manufacteurer would still benefit his company, no?
Do some research I can't post links but there was writers in the early 1990s saying CART was making mistakes Taking on F1 rather than Nascar. Working like Charm? Guess I must have missed the memo of Increased Sponsorship Money and Media Attention.
>360p
Good thing the picture quality is so clear, otherwise I'd be commenting on how the IRL had invested in potatoes that year....
Oh please bring Michigan back!
@MWcrazyhorse haha not since the 70's anyway!
Felipe giaffone
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Plus: maybe these cars didn't have the same amount of downforce the later Dallaras developed.
bring back Jackie Stewart too.
I will never understand, why Infiniti didn't stay in the series, until they had the title...
@fordfocusonme elite head... because it is the biggest and best racing on earth and viewed all across the globe from Europe to Asia to South America to North America (excluding the U.S).
You can be whatever fan you please, ofcourse. May I ask a sincere question however, why is it that the U.S has no F1 grand prix and has no driver and has no team or manufacturer. Is it even broadcasted in the U.S?
@DrDenisSaralho Your either a F1 elite head, anti-NASCAR, or a die hard Champ Car fan. Notice I didn't say CART because CART raced on ovals.
then why did you come here to watch?
@franneck1989 - I agree, however NHRA is not for him. He needs to find a way back to open wheel.
@mrawsome17 probably because there are no U.S drivers in it.
CART seemed obessed with becoming a F1 American Version so they had less and less ovals after mid 1980s to its end.
because those street/road drivers who couldn't make it in F1, saw cart an alterenative.
those cars look a lot like formula 1 cars. i dont get why f1 hasnt caught on in america
Not enough left handers
yes, the real indycar series
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Look how slow those cars look around that track. And those cars definitely don’t look nor sound like a Indy car.
Need a 50 to 67% Oval Makeup.
yup!!