The Paradox of Jesus Christ
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I found Peterson's Bible lectures in early 2018 and it was the first step on my way to Christ. Seeing the incredible intellectual weight of Christianity humbled me to see that Christians weren't just stupid and backwards. That was a big stumbling block for me, and of course I didn't know the first thing about Christianity, and assumed that all of my "brilliant" objections had no answers. Peterson helped me gain a lot of respect for religion and Christianity especially. Later that year I started watching debates with William Lane Craig, and actually listening with an open mind. I would think to myself, for the first time in my entire life, what if atheism is actually wrong; I called myself a free thinker who was governed by reason but I NEVER EVER put atheism under the microscope I put everything else. I'm still astounded how I could have been so blind. Once I started to see that atheism was sorely lacking, I then started to study the Bible and I would feel the tug on my heart. My heart was screaming "YESSS!!", and I gave my heart to Christ and even though I am in my mid 30s and life seems to get more difficult as you age, with more responsibilities, I have finally discovered the hidden reality that Christians always talked about, but pridefully I never thought possible. God has been a constant presence in my life, and I have felt more joy and hope that I had ever known before. i say to all atheists, the Christians were right, there is a reality that we were missing out on. It's all real!! It really is!
Welcome Home.
Matthew 13:44
“The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field."
A field is not worth much unless one had searched in that field and found treasure. Those who found God are like those who found treasure. Many don't see what you found because they are not searching.
let's thank God that you found the greatest treasure. Your creator !
This might be the best RUclips comment I've ever read.
@@joshuas1834 I felt the
Same thing. “And i started studying the bible and began to feel the tug on my heart and I gave myself to Christ” that part really hit me like no comment has on here before.
Heaven rejoices when one is saved.
Jesus is not coming soon anymore. His return is imminent.
Great testimony, a few words of encouragement; Paul defines the gospel in Romans 1:16,17 as “the power of God unto salvation”, he delineates all of the main features of that salvation in Romans 8:29,30 as predestination, calling, justification and glorification. Your story highlights how God called you to himself which is a wonderful presentation in itself of Christian Theism, God reaches through space and time to deliver, save and direct his creation. God bless ya thanks for sharing your story.
Amen
It’s incredible how God made salvation simple enough for the least intellectual among us, and
complex enough for the most intellectual among us. Praise him!
Thank you Willette for such a profound statement. I had wondered often just how such intellectual discussion can reach the simpler intellects, imagining the early Christians who didn't have the Bible at their fingertips or wise men to explain them!
@@tellyhow6281 Complex for the complex minds, simple for the simple minds. It boils down to the mind and the word of God it's willing to accept. Yet none are barred from God's grace for the path to God is always clear; intellect can do nothing but bow its head
If you believe the Bible and don't assume Jesus is clearly based in Horus, the Egyptian messiah, and the 12 disciples aren't based on the 12 zodiacs or "ages" the sun goes through that "follow the sun/son". If you base your logic and intellectual energy on the NT is true and all there is to do is investigate the Word, yes. If you base your logic and intellect on all religions and trying to determine the "one true religion", you realize Judeo Christianity is modern day Sun God worship except Jesus (MAN) has replaced the Sun; and the Holy Bible is an allegory on stars and human conditions.
You are conflating Judaism with Christianity. Jews believe in One God. Christians believe in three.
@@truthseekers864 Actually , we believe in One God Who is Three Persons.
These type of conversations are what the church needs to bring people, especially young men, back to the church
@cjjohnson7095 because they think that ancient religion like Christianity is outdated and full of dogma
The Catholic Church has deep seated internal problems, which is causing people to leave church attendance. The Pope giving blessings to homosexuals is heresy and postmodern. I would never enter the RCIA process to become confirmed in the Catholic Church until this rampant insanity is driven out of the faith and the Pope repents.
Prayers for you Mr. Peterson. If you spend too much time in the world it will bring pain. I hope your pain flees. Nature helps & Jesus Christ heals.
I have had plenty of things that makes me wonder why but I do not question God's creation. Planets are moved to fulfill His words.
It seems this video has been recorded quite a while ago
@@cariciasparavivir It was recorded last year. The link for the full discussion is in the description. Highly recommended.
Jesus saved my life for real. Depression, alcohol addictions and he gave me a new heart. In just 2 seconds.
Jesus didn’t save your life.
@@rickrozen2341 He saved mine as well. Ask and you will receive! That is the Lord’s promise.
nice to hear. God bless✝️🙌🏻🙏🏻
Awesome! In an instant he fully changed my life too.
God is good
God bless everyone reading this
And listening
Which one?
@@akirabartram6094 yes
May God bless you, if you are drawing attention to Him and not yourself.
Ra bless you.
The last few sentences Bishop Baron said are the most beautiful. We can philosophy about God as much as we want, but he only becomes real once we experience how lost we are and how much God loves us, enough to demonstrate his love by dying for and forgiving us. We don't need to be eloquent academics or theologians to get there. It's mind-blowing.
Indorm: True and Peterson pschologizes about Christ and the Biblical stories but has never ever professed to believing anything or anyone and yet so many proclaim that listening to Peterson brought them to Christ!!!!
@@rrickarrYou think it's a bad thing for anyone to learn and discover, even as a leader? How do you know what's in Peterson's heart? Sounds like he has a great love and appreciation for Christ to me, and the more he learns the more he appreciates and loves. The fundamentalist view Christ is just bizarre to me. No one can commit to God as a new believer, it takes time and a lot of learning which most churches spend little if any time doing, clearly teaching as these two Christians are doing. And by the way, Christ cancelled "hell" for everyone. That's the true gospel, an extreme christology. A hell that burns souls forever is the creation of a psychopath, Lucifer, who also will be restored by Christ. All creation.
My mom is in lots of pain typically, her back has been broken since 2009 and she has trouble moving at times. She is such a great person despite this injury and no matter what happens in my life I hope to be as strong for my family as she’s been for my brother and I.
I believe in god and for me it’s always been from a place of hope and strength. Sometimes there isn’t anything to rely on but a higher power.
Look into redemptive suffering
I identify with this greatly. I am a Christian and went through a period of time where I was contemplating suicide for a variety of factors that aren't pertinent to my point. I found at the worst moment of that period of my life that in the deepest darkest place within me I have a desperate hope that the Bible is true and that Jesus was everything ascribed to him. It felt like finding something core to my being. From that realization, hope my life would improve came forth and then strength to try.
@@Bill_Dozer_777 very similar to the experience I had
Beliefs do not exist my friend. Asking questions and making mistakes,
is how we learn. Actions are always required
The term "Accepting Christ" means accepting HIS payment for OUR Sin. We are trusting in HIS finished work, not establishing a basis for OUR work. He said in Matthew 5:48, "Be ye therefore Perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect". He said that for one reason; so that WE would Realize our utter incapability to do what HE did. As long as we are trying to live up to that impossible standard, we have not Received HIS perfection as OURS. A Relationship with Him is what TRUE Christianity is about, not trying to "imitate" Him. He makes that very clear in Matthew 7:22,23. "MANY will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, WE prophesied in Your Name, WE cast out devils in Your Name, and I will profess to them, I NEVER KNEW YOU, depart from Me..." They are saying, WE did this and WE did that and used His Name to sanction it, and His reply is, You did NOT have a relationship with Me. You were running around doing your own religious stuff while using My Name. THAT is "Religion".
He Rose from the dead, meaning, HE IS ALIVE... NOW! We either KNOW Him... Personally, or we have "religion". Religion is NOT Reality! Knowing HIM... IS!
I love when he talks about Jesus, you can tell he’s on the very edge of his knowledge and he is doing his best to express it in a way without getting into mysticism
@Greg Gauthier never said it should but maybe look up the definition anyway just in case.
Do you mean imagination? The entire gospel story is mystical in nature... that's why Paul calls it a mystery lol
The esoteric/mystical understanding is the key to unraveling and comprehending it all.
Ruldolf Steiner is and anthroposophy Theosophy is how I was able to understand the history of our spiritual evolution including the meaning how christ God that lived in the sun was the only God to die so that instead of say when Egyptian times sun worship was how the attain christ consciousness. When the body of christ god died he got in the earth and so we evolved to have christ consciousness inside our bodies. The public is not at the place where he can share suchness. Mr. Peterson meets people where they are.
He's doing his best to explain it without getting into the Bible is more like it. He hasn't got a clue about Christianity.
JP helped me come back to my faith through Christ.
For this I will be eternally grateful.
I always enjoy his intellect and charismatic personality.
I have suffered chronic pain for years and understand the battle within oneself, it’s clearly etched on JP face.
For me physical therapy, counselling and pain management via cannabis oil have all contributed in me being able to cope with the pain of life.
But the most important part of getting through the day for me has been my faith.
God Bless you and your family Jordan 🙏✝️
He led me to Christ by his words “the cross is a mirror”. (That shows who we really are as humanity)
I suddenly saw the truth of who I am and my desperate need of Christ in that very sentence. Praise God for JP and how He has worked through him.
There's times I envy Professor Peterson only discovering Jesus. There is always constant amazement in any major 'discovery'. What I don't envy is his depth of understanding required in order to truly believe. Alas, some of us are born with Christ, others have to work at it, but when Jesus advocated "seek, and you will find", He did also intimate that to reach Him, you must revert to the trust of a child. There should be no tip-toeing as Christ is not a danger. Blessed are we who have not seen, but yet believe.
Blessed r those who hve seen the truth
I re-discover the goodness of Christ again and again and again and am humbled and amazed each time I gain an added understanding of who He is and what He’s done.
paul: Peterson has discovered nothing. Are you not aware that many people understand the Bible as Literature, or the Bible as History (there are actual universities who teach these courses). This has nothing to do with believing anything. Can you not see that Peterson interprets the Bible as psychological stories. This has nothing to do with belief in anything. This is pseudo-religion at its highest.
I love how Jordan manages to think about, and discuss typical Christian topics with a degree of novelty, which is damn near impossible in a religious culture saturated with cliches and platitudes. This may turn out to be Peterson's greatest value to the world.
Christian/Islamic/Biuddhist/Judaist/Hiundu's a sadistic trick by a group of bullies, don't by in.
I hope so
I will never understand what it is about this weird little man who speaks in word salad and cries at the drop of a hat that dazzles the rubes so profoundly.
@@sledzeppelin Do you have problems at school? You seem half tarded.
@@sledzeppelin There was literally no reason for you to comment this
Bishop Barron really out here evangelizing millions of young men and women through the medium of one of the deepest thinkers of our age. Deo Gratias. ☦️✝️📿
This didn’t age well!
Yes. Bishop Barron does this, but Peterson is just pseudopsyhcology psycho-babble. People are mistaking Peterson for a believer. He has never ever professed belief in anything or anyone!
May God heal, protect and defend Jordan Peterson. In Jesus name, Amen. Dear Lord we need this man!
@みゆ こいけ I have heard of your religion. Is this a sect of Buddhism?
Same dude, brain tumors and 60hr hard work weeks is tough and painful. But God's strength is made perfect in our weakness. Its me that needs to work myself down to weakness and suffering before I ask for help and walk right in the word.
He keeps us honest that way.
Amen, brother!!
What is meant by "made perfect in our weakness"?
@@OompaLoompaFu its an ego statement.You really dont know what your capable of, till you've been tested till weakness. When you reach the end of your strength/ability, you realize how much you need Gods strength. When you pray in a humble contrite heart God will make his strength known.
With respect, I accepted Christ 18 years ago and have been following Jeshua since in some capacity more or less and my understanding has grown a lot from listening to your thoughts and intelligent explanations of difficult questions. Thank you for all of your hard work, we need it, I need it
Oh Jordan how wonderful you believe in our amazing God. I have chronic pain and through this I found Jesus. May he bless you and your family
I’ll be praying for you Mr. Peterson about the chronic pain and for the Lord to help you through. He’s helped me through years of debilitating nerve pain from an attack, many times when I was sure I couldn’t bear another second. He’s given me the strength to forgive them and leave their justice to him. I have deep joy and peace and know I’m a citizen of Heaven and will live with Him for all eternity. 🤗
Walk in the power of His might. Ephesians 6:10
"The Ideal is wounded in proportion to the degree that everything has deteriorated away from the ideal" -- so powerful
Yeah that stopped me. What a wonderful way of expressing this concept
Glad I listened to this all the way through. It was my sin that put Jesus on that cross, and he still comes after me with abounding love!
We still place up Jesus on that cross by turning away from God. Yet even in our deepest pits of ignorance there is still redemption, a message of peace from God.
I think Jordan is right on with some very right instincts about the meaning of Christ's sacrifice. It is certainly an example for us to emulate, that baring our cross, shouldering our burden and stumbling toward the good redeems the world. That's a brilliant insight and very true. But it is more than that, as the Bishop says, the depths of which we will never fully comprehend. It is metaphysically the God of creation, the source of all that is, entering into our humanity, in all His fullness, and bringing us back to himself when we were powerless to do so, restoring us to what we were always meant to be. And that's an ongoing process if we will cooperate with it.
Can you really not see the contradictions inherent here?
I like how you said that we will never comprehend it fully, because the entire bible shows how god is trying to teach us in a certain way and often he will use earthly things to teach people things out of this world. I strongly believe that our physical brains are simply not cable of understanding what god really is and these teachings might be basically "for dummies" begginer instructions lol.
@@thickac7579 Why did god not just make you capable of comprehending it?
Why does God need to resort to such bizarre, indirect, and often horribly painful ways to teach us simple lessons? Why couldn't we be pre-loaded with them, or at least be TOLD them, rather than have to experience something awful to learn them?
These are the mental gymnastics you have to resort to when you presuppose the existence of a self-contradictory god, and insist on believing in it despite all evidence to the contrary.
@@sledzeppelin The term "Accepting Christ" means accepting HIS payment for OUR Sin. We are trusting in HIS finished work, not establishing a basis for OUR work. He said in Matthew 5:48, "Be ye therefore Perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect". He said that for one reason; so that WE would Realize our utter incapability to do what HE did. As long as we are trying to live up to that impossible standard, we have not Received HIS perfection as OURS. A Relationship with Him is what TRUE Christianity is about, not trying to "imitate" Him. He makes that very clear in Matthew 7:22,23. "MANY will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, WE prophesied in Your Name, WE cast out devils in Your Name, and I will profess to them, I NEVER KNEW YOU, depart from Me..." They are saying, WE did this and WE did that and used His Name to sanction it, and His reply is, You did NOT have a relationship with Me. You were running around doing your own religious stuff while using My Name. THAT is "Religion".
He Rose from the dead, meaning, HE IS ALIVE... NOW! We either KNOW Him... Personally, or we have "religion". Religion is NOT Reality! Knowing HIM... IS!
@@thomasmartinscott How do you know he rose from the dead?
"WE would Realize our utter incapability to do what HE did"
Are you saying nobody else has ever been crucified?
Wow. What a wonderful conversation. Thank you so much
Enjoyed the quality of interaction and the listening to one another for deep conversation insight. Sometimes the smarter or intelligent a human becomes, the more self governed they become, and lean towards a belief system based on the findings of the self governed ruling of gathered and experienced information. Our own self can get in the way of allowing faith to lead our lives and some are "afraid" to allow faith to determine an outcome in their life, so they put up walls of defense. Pray for Jordan because we've all had someone praying for us, prior to our receiving the gospel of Christ Jesus.
The reason Jesus is a proper sacrifice is that He is perfect and sinless. A person with sin cannot die for our sins this person must be sinless. Jesus in the gospels would challenge the religious leaders asking "Which of you can convict me of sin?" and nobody could come up with even one sin. He is perfect. He is sinless. At 3:06 Jordan hits on the key to it all.
I have been struggling with Catholics vs Protestant things in my head lately. Protestant used to be the only Christian for me. This guy proved me wrong in a conversation with a father figure of mine since 2016. I will continue to attempt to be earnest. I will confront suicidal ideation and not be enraged about what I perceive in the moment to be the glibness of others
Catholic still has a false gospel nontheless
I will tell you i had the same problem, and this was early in my walk so it would have taken me away from yeshua, and I asked God about the denominations of the church more specifically the catholics. I had a dream right after this question when i went to bed that night, it goes like this, I was in some kind of pit and I looked around and it seemed to be illuminated by fire, then i start looking around again and i notice i’m in a church and i look up to see a woman preaching and “mages” pops into my head well then i look to an old man sitting on a long chair you would see in a church and i see a blood marking on his head and “romans” pops into my head. got my answer thought i would share.
BRAVO,BRAVO TO BOTH DR.PETERSON AND BISHOP BARRON and MANY THANKS FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS TO SHINE THE LIGHT OF THE WORD MADE FLESH ON THE WORLD!
This is exactly what the world needs to hear to heal its wounds, to rise and shine once more.
The guilt and shame of a sinful life when hearing this is hard to take.
Then know you are loved and forgiven, and take heart doing the right thing. Praying for you. You must first forgive yourself and love yourself, not your lusts and desires.
Yeah my past is my ball and chain
I feel the same way, friend. God bless you.
Yes but please realize that to be convicted of your sins is a tremendous blessing bc God has made you aware and you are no longer blinded. I believe it’s no accident you are watching this video. Repent and believe Jesus is the Son of God and you will certainly be forgiven (1st John 1:9).
The guilt comes from Satan,
The shame comes from God.
Guilt is Satan getting you to condemn your self.
The moment you stop condemning your self you will be free.
The presence of Jesus is better than all knowledge. That is why He “is Himself our peace” and gives “peace that surpasses all understanding”
The peace He gives is multi-faceted, as it means so much in many different ways. There are many reasons to be grateful.
Stop fooling yourself
@@olebilly Peace to you.
@@olebilly how do you know?
@みゆ こいけ No thank you, God be with you.
Faith does not require understanding but obedience. “Lean not on your own understanding” Amen
You have just defined indoctrination.
@@Jonas-gl9ke and you responded in a foolish way
@@godswill2260 Indoctrination is defined as, “the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically”. If your reason for belief is “obedience” and not “understanding”, I have accurately defined your position.
@@godswill2260 I agree with not your own understanding, you have to study it through the lens of the Holy Spirit to learn Spiritual truths, you can't have blind faith. The scriptures talk about knowing God through his word, don't be a blind man that can be easily led astray by false teachers.
You’ve just defined Islam. Christianity is more than mere submission. Throwing out a random quote from Paul’s letters with no context is goofy at best.
Yes God's love is so precious and I feel ever closer in spirit, daily praising all creation and saying thank you Christ Jesus 🙏.
JP bringing to RUclips what churches generally don’t talk about. Thanks.
Exactly, that's why I stopped going near churches or organized religion. Open your bible do lots of research and as he says live your life as if God does exist!!! 💯👌
Western churches rarely say anything significant now days.
Bishop Barron does all the time. Many priests do but not all and not all are so well spoken.
Church is for Mass. RUclips is for videos..
Mass has a different intention but lectures like this should be done more often. I know my diocese has a weekly or monthly paper with announcements for events like lectures. It’s up to the community to put it together. You might want to see what your diocese has to offer.
The intensity with which Jordan seeks the truth is astounding
Jordan Peterson proves that an intellectually honest search for the Truth leads to God.
I suffer chronic pain myself , I had got in a car wreck and I tried everything. 12 surgeries and eventually i finally went on pain medication. Had I not I was wanting to die. So. They gave me many more years to live. I still have awful days but I try pushing through it.
Have this man on your show as often as you can.
Thank you all, especially Bishop Barron for your courage to share the Gospel 🙏✝️🇺🇲
That last part was so beautifully said, amazing.
I’m thinking about how in Game of Thrones all those guardians of The Wall killed John Snow because of his virtue and attempts at the greater good. Then when he came back to life, he had them hanged. Everyone watched nodded their heads and said “Yeah they deserve death.” It just stands in such contrast to Christ and demonstrates how radical an act Christ’s mercy actually is.
God Bless both gentlemen for boldly tackling the depth of this discussion. More shall be revealed.
Your story is a testament to the amazing power of redemption through Christ. It's heartwarming to hear how Jesus has turned your life around, providing you with a home, a loving family, and a renewed sense of identity as His child. May your journey continue to inspire others who may be going through difficult times, showing them that there is always hope in the arms of the Lord. Hallelujah for your beautiful transformation! 🌟🙌
Peterson was a huge turning point in my faith, i was raised Catholic but hadn’t internalized what the faith truly meant until after Peterson showed how transcendently applicable it is. I got confirmed in my faith maybe a year after listening to his lectures, now this is an unshakable foundation of my reality.
Dear Mr. Jordan Peterson,
I didn't know You are in chronic pain - a lot of it.
Now... Your desire, Your need, Your Passion to understand things, talk about things, meditate and communicate about things....
Makes a lot more sense to Me.
For that is what I did in the midst of the worst of it
Talked. And talked. And talked. And asked questions. And talked....
In My distress, I get snappish
And I was unfair with You.
I do not want for You to be in continuous chronic pain. It hurts My feelings. Badly
It is My wish, it is My desire, that You are relieved and made to feel at ease in Your body.
I Pray for You ~ PEACE.
GOD BLESS💜
I’m surrounding myself with peace, love and positivity today. Thanks for sharing this!
8:27 I am floored by this! How do we know God loves us? Because “we killed God” and he comes back with forgiveness! WHOA!!!
Perhaps the two most intelligent, most insightful men of our generation having a philosophical conversation. What a great time to be alive!
Bishop Barron? Yes. Peterson? goofball
Such a professionally spoken conversation. Coo
I’m meditating on this. Christ on the Cross is the proper praise of God. The willingness to surrender to the will of God and to offer suffering for sin and redemption is the proper praise of God. This turns Any evil and tragedy, even the tragedy of sin when it is repented of, into praise of God. It turns evil on its head. Am I right in this summarization?
Yes your summarisation is absolutely right. Anything and everything in our lives can be sanctified and turned into a praise of God when offered to God… in humility and repentance.
In my opinion the "fallen" state that human beings find themselves in is there by design so that we learn opposition. Without pain and suffering we won't know joy and pleasure. It's like if you want to build up a muscle of forgiveness let's say, there needs to be something for us to forgive. What is better than to suffer in the hands of our enemies and then forgive them. In doing so we learn to be like Christ, a symbol of perfection.
By maintaining his integrity and faith during the archetypal conditions under which he died he completed human consciousness and made it possible for anyone to connect to the Father through his Spirit. In other words he completed the human moral conscience by incarnating it in the face of the greatest resistance.
Evolutionary possibilities at that time, yes
Where did you come across this idea of “completing human consciousness?” I would like to research that further.
@@MarkCuda Jung and Nietzsche. It's my idea I guess.
Well said. For Christs sake - we all say it whether we are Christian’s or not. His name is archetypically etched into our psyche - as the energy from which we justify Goodness. Bc if one man has done it - than it is possible. Which is why I choose to think of Jesus as a man who landed Christ conscious on earth. He plugged an eternal force into the planetary field. This is more of a Eastern take on Christ however.
The term "Accepting Christ" means accepting HIS payment for OUR Sin. We are trusting in HIS finished work, not establishing a basis for OUR work. He said in Matthew 5:48, "Be ye therefore Perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect". He said that for one reason; so that WE would Realize our utter incapability to do what HE did. As long as we are trying to live up to that impossible standard, we have not Received HIS perfection as OURS. A Relationship with Him is what TRUE Christianity is about, not trying to "imitate" Him. He makes that very clear in Matthew 7:22,23. "MANY will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, WE prophesied in Your Name, WE cast out devils in Your Name, and I will profess to them, I NEVER KNEW YOU, depart from Me..." They are saying, WE did this and WE did that and used His Name to sanction it, and His reply is, You did NOT have a relationship with Me. You were running around doing your own religious stuff while using My Name. THAT is "Religion".
He Rose from the dead, meaning, HE IS ALIVE... NOW! We either KNOW Him... Personally, or we have "religion". Religion is NOT Reality! Knowing HIM... IS!
I was born again at age 15. About 3-4 days prior to being saved, I played with an Quija board. I had demonic attacks. I had other spiritual experiences that do not allow me to discard Jesus being the only way. (I also had a witness for two of those experiences.)
Christ lives
How would you demonstrate that?
"We killed God.
And he returned with forgiveness"
....🤯 WOW
bwahahahahahaha…..”we killed God”.
The defining characteristic of being a god is being immortal ie: cannot be killed
Just additional proof that the Son is not God.
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@@ATinyPillow you're exactly right! Which is why he came back, to demonstrate he's bigger than death, and that he is immortal (if he didn't die he of course wouldn't be able to demonstrate that)👍
@@joneslive586 : The son is not God, Revelations 5:5-7 proves that fact because both the son and God are present in the future scene described.
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Beautifully put, it brings a real sense of meaning.
We killed God in flesh and he came back to forgive us…I am
Humbled
What a great discussion. I love it.
Isaiah 35:4: Say to those who have an anxious heart, 'Be strong; fear not! Behold, your God will come with vengeance, with the recompense of God. He will come and save you.
Thank you Jordan for everything 🙏🏽
I have personally been practicing radical forgiveness for the past year, as well as non-judgement. I have forgiven everyone that ever wronged me, but the hardest of all was forgiving myself. In practicing these things, I have learned that the way that you think of other people, is the way in which you will think of yourself. So if the world is hopeless and dark and depressing, so will you be. As you think, you are. In light of this, a decision must be made: Do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy? Choose happiness - not casually, I mean REALLY live it, every second of the day - and you will be led, by life itself, to much deeper truths/insights than are available to most people currently. It first requires a leap of faith, however.
There is only forgiveness and it’s not radical.
Also, it’s not possible to forgive your self because you are not guilty.
Have you forgiven your mother and father?
@@freshliving4199 by “radical”, I meant total. I meant that I have an unbending commitment to it which I follow every second of every day. It is ONLY possible to forgive yourself. There is nobody else to forgive. Your unforgiving thoughts are all you. Not Mum. Not Dad. You. I have never experienced anything or anybody outside of my self, therefore only I can forgive myself. I’m the one who suffers when I don’t forgive. I’m the one who makes the choice to suffer, thinking that the vengeful, unforgiving thoughts are somehow worth keeping.
Forgiveness is always for yourself. Without exception.
@@swinnyuk6584 And what if in the next real between two lives where there is no creation. Loneliness is a thing = lost spirts. As above so below. Yet we will have only our memories. And if you have left things unsaid in a negative or care-less space then you perhaps might not have access to those memories? Just something I read in the study of anthroposophy and Theosophy via Ruldolf Steiner and Blavatsky. I've been asking those that should be asking me for forgiveness. And received it. Creating a new bridge of love to many so I'm lighter on earth and perhaps light enough to get through the next levels needed to ascend higher spiritually. Just a thought. ❤️ Love & Light
@Jeremy Tesch vengence is for the weak and fearful. “True strength is a heart full of love”. Whenever you judge somebody, you judge yourself first. If you attack somebody, you attack yourself first. Your subconscious seems to know no difference between yourself and others.This is why it’s important to look upon others in charity; as if they had gone far beyond their actual accomplishments. This feels dishonest at first, but if you can keep it up long enough that you find out that truth is love, man, what could be more worthy of your efforts than that? It sure beats living in a universe that you think is dead, stupid and hostile… which isn’t true, anyway. I’m not perfect at this stuff, don’t get me wrong, but my everyday experience demonstrates that only love is the truth. We have a built in “truth detector” that society does everything it can to switch it off, but as I alluded to in my originsl comment, truly choosing happiness will leas to this being switched back on.
@Jeremy Tesch *original comment *will lead to this being switched back on
5:07 Job went through a calamity for sure because he thought himself already righteous, without the need for God. In this case, yes, it will land a person in very hot water. Job was whining about all the troubles he was having and falling just short of blaming God for it, he was upset that he shouldn't have to suffer so, because he had been a good/righteous man.
But God rebuked Him multiple times, instilling in Job the understanding that he really didn’t understand anything and he was not above God or worthy of His mercy (isn't that why it's called mercy? bc we don't deserve it?):
“Who is this who obscures My counsel by words without knowledge? Now brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall inform Me. Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding.…”
Sometimes we decide to stand up to God, try to prove our worth and show how much we know…..and God just might reach out and touch your hip socket…
And all those friends with which he had pontificated about God were all dead wrong: After the Lord had spoken these words to Job, the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite: “My anger burns against you and against your two friends, for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. Ob 42.7-
But the fourth friend spoke of the situation correctly and was not rebuked, and that was Elihu. He explained to Job that he was not righteous in and of himself and that God was worthy of praise regardless of his current situation.
We cannot walk this walk and follow the path of Christ without understanding we are broken, in every way, including intellectually. You can’t hold a torch to Him - your greatness is because of Him. (That’s worth repeating here, your greatness is because of Him, not you. This is where many fall short of attaining the deeper walk with God.)
“But who am I, and who are my people, that we should be able to give as generously as this? Everything comes from you, and we have given you only what comes from your hand.” 1 Chronicles 29:14
And if it isn’t, then you suddenly are great because the world deems you great….
…and who cares about that?
Men who walk in the glory of God are men who wrestle, gain the understanding and crucify their own glories to take up the cross and follow Christ. You may not be able to do it. So very few can. But He will not share His glory with you. You may walk in it, (indeed you have at times) but He must receive the praise. And if you're wishy-washing around on even saying you believe in Christ, well then, out of His presence and His anointing you go. Jesus always pointed to the Father, the Father pointed to the Son, the Holy Spirit glorifies both and never Himself.
This is what makes a king in the Kingdom of God. Try to steal His glory without given Him the honor and praise, and you’ll be finished.
“I am the Lord; that is my name; I will not give my glory to anyone else, nor share my praise with carved idols.”
Thank you for writing this. I learned quite a bit from it.
Read the first verse of Job. He WAS righteous. “...and that man was blameless and upright and one who feared God and shunned evil.” Whining? All his children were murdered, his wealth taken from him and his friends were trying to tell him he must have brought it on himself and his wife was nagging him to get on with it and curse God and even still Job refused to. God may have told Job that His ways are beyond him but the reader knows exactly why Jobs children were murdered, his wealth and health taken from him: God made a bet with Satan.
@@jonnyw82 This is the more common interpretation of the book of Job and it certainly has its place. But there is the deeper understanding of the Word which takes dedication and prayer to search out His wisdom. The Church must understand there is the milk of the word and then there’s the meat of the word. The meat takes more effort and cannot be attained without the Holy Spirit.
We can learn from the milk of this interpretation, but it hasn’t served to mature the Body of Christ because the subject matter is often applied too narrowly to one’s own situation (from Job’s perspective) instead of also studying/understanding it from God’s perspective and Job’s progression out of suffering (as his mind was renewed to God and he stopped whining to everyone BUT the One who could truly help him).
So then, let's not overlook the faithfulness of God to His servants who refuse to give up trusting in Him: Job 42.10, “The Lord restored the fortunes of Job when he prayed for his friends, and the Lord gave Job TWICE as much as he had before.”.
God never abandons those who put their hope in Him (Isaiah 49.23), who keep wiping the sweat and dirt from their eyes as they fight through the valleys, and who humble themselves to learn from Him. God will lift that one higher than where they first began. We must make sure to acknowledge Him always. It is God who deserves all the praise, all the honor, all the glory. If one can do this, then He will let you shine. (Isaiah 60.1)
Job didn't fall short of blaming God. He outright accused God of punishing him for no justifiable reason(Job 27:2, 30:21, 34:5, 35:2). God clapped back at him the way He did in chapters 38:1-40:2 because Job was presumptuous enough to accuse God of being guilty of injustice by his own standards.
@@jonnyw82 God used Satan to correct Job. Yes, the opening part of the account says Job was righteous, but Job's self-righteousness clearly starts to manifest itself the longer he was made to suffer. Out of everybody there, Elihu was the one to discern that this was the cause of Job's suffering.
Peterson must go deeper. He has a mind that craves the deeper truth and the deeper meaning and a deeper understanding. "When I was a child I thought as a child. When I became a man I put away childish things."
Religion can be a tricky thing to talk about depending on one's experience with how its followers portray themselves and whether or not they bring out the best or worst in you. I developed distrust issues many years ago that I cut out everyone and barely keep in touch with family. I guess a simple way to put it is I feel some people want to pass judgement and only attach themselves for their own amusement, not wanting anyone to become self-reliant. There is a dependency on others to an extent, because in an isolated life there isn't a lot one could know how to do but try their best to avoid the possibility of being taken advantage of. It can become more of a power play than a healthy relationship, which is a truth of human nature.
Well my friend I hear you, regarding how people in a certain religion portray themselves. Is it on alignment with the faith they profess to follow? Do they say one thing yet act another thing totally opposite to the beliefs they espouse. Are they using religion as a form or an institution to control and deceivingly dominate others to serve their agendas? There are many things we can ask, many hypocritical situations most of us can point to, using that as an excuse to justify our unbelief. However this is not a wise avenue to walk down. Just because a person or people misuse, distort and deceive others with that which is true and pure, doesn't make the thing which is true and pure a lie. Not at all. This is a logical conclusion actually. Let's use an example: If I invite you to my house for a braai ( I'm South African, braai is a barbeque) claiming that I buy the best steak from a certain butchery. Top AAA grade beef steak. Best cuts. Clean, juicy, tender and delicious. If I convince you to stop what you are currently doing, enticing you with this incredible steak, and to come to my house for this steak braai. Then when you arrive at my braai of wonderful promise, hyping up expectations within you to the point you begin craving this steak. Your mouth watering as you watch me cook it for, the steak smelling so so so good. Once the steak is cooked and served on a plate we both sit down and begin to eat. However unfortunately it was a terrible let down. The steak was terrible. Utterly disgusting. You created an expectation based upon the testimony of another person. You even witnessed that person cook the steak, it smelled so delicious and tasty. But it tasted nasty 🤢 .........Who was false in this situation, the butcher, the cook or both?
This is what you need to ascertain regarding Jesus Christ, the Bible and Church. Because sometimes cooks misrepresent the quality of a butchers steak because they simply do not know how to actually cook steak. Even though they claimed to be the best.
Christians will always misrepresent God, the bible interestingly enough warns about such hypocrites who use His Name for the purposes of ungodly sentiments. You it isn't God misleading you, it's people and people are fallible. But God never lies to us, never misleads us, never makes mistakes. He is Eternally trustworthy, even when His own people misrepresent Him. God will Judge all of us according to everything we have spoken and done while alive on earth. ALL OF US WILL GIVE AN ACCOUNT TO GOD FOR THE LIFE WE LIVED, AN ACCOUNT FOR WHAT WE USED THIS LIFE FOR THAT HE CREATED AND GAVE US.
We cannot blame the mistakes that Religion has made as a justification for not believing that which is true. Jesus Christ is the only Way to the Father in Heaven. Christ and Christ alone my dear friend. When you die, whenever that may be, you will see that this is the truth. I hope that you don't come to believe only once you're dead, it will be too too late. Eternity is forever remember. Consider the ramifications of being wrong regarding whatever it is that you believe. It's serious my friend. Seek Jesus, really search for Him with a genuine heart. You will see that He is the only truth but He will judge sinners. Anybody who rejects Christ rejects Life. So if you reject Life then God will give you what you want. An eternity in a place without God.
We as humans. Spending more time trying to prove. Why each other is wrong and the others right . The one who lays down the facts and discipline and judgement in the end is always right. You can spend your whole life staying confused one day you will get your act straight trust in GOD
Jesus suffered this for our sake, because of our sin, yet we still sin. You cannot go any lower than that! The crucifixion of Jesus Christ puts into perspective the seriousness of our sin.
Another thought. Jesus did not only suffer physically, but suffered in the way of shame of nakedness, betrayal, everyone mocking etc all in his innocence.
Adam and Eve didn't exist, original sin obviously doesn't exist, but you believe that the creator of the universe took human form so that our sins could be forgiven, through him, and you could go to heaven? That doesn't sound retarded to you?
God has send a perfect image of Himself to his Children. And his children hung up his likening on a Cross and gave him a crown of thorns. And God forgave them for they did not know what they were doing.
I am so Glad that Jordan Peterson is following Jesus. He is a powerful being and thankfully he has been able to help us better understand things about the Bible and the power Behind God. Truly it is a blessing in and of its self!
I was the 1,000th like. I feel blessed to have seen 999. Then I pause and it’s at 5:55.
I came to Christ on 7/7.
God is within all 🙏🏻
MC
Wow, this must be evidence of Yahweh.
The way he gets so intense with his questions about Christ makes me think he's going to accept him as his savior soon.
Jordan nailed it (no pun intended) when he said the sacrifice of Christ was saying Do This
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Yes, Christ allegedly had a terrible weekend but given Jesus is allegedly still living and at the right hand of God the Father, what “sacrifice” was actually made?
@DonnyBlips Does Jesus have the ability to come back to earth?
@DonnyBlips In reference to your first point, I agree that Jesus allegedly suffered greatly for a weekend. Many human beings today, however, suffer terrible deaths and so Christ’s alleged experience is not unique.
With respect to your second point, Christ did not “fully give himself to God” given he is still allegedly divine and is able to return to earth. If you believe the Eucharist embodies the literal body and blood of Christ again, I ask what exactly was sacrificed? To sacrifice something is to give up something important or of value for the sake of other considerations.
It was necessary for him to die so the world would see that when you keep the commandments death is incapable of holding you. It was also necessary that he died so God could fulfill the promise given to our ancestors about the promised coming resurrection of the dead. By raising the Messiah from death, God proved that the promise of the resurrection of the dead was in fact legitimate.
If you recall, man didn’t die until eating the forbidden fruit if animal flesh.
Yeshua Again Gives The Holy Humane Law
After six days, when the Feast of Tabernacles was nigh at hand, Yeshua did take the Holy Twelve and did bring them up into a high mountain away from the people, and as he was praying, the fashion of his countenance was changed, and he was transfigured before them, and his face did shine as the sun, and his robe was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him and speaking of the Holy Law, and of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. And Moses spake, saying, "This is HE of whom I foretold, saying, A prophet from the midst of thy brethren, like unto me shall the Eternal Spirit send unto you, and that which the Eternal Spirit speaketh unto him, shall he speak unto you, and unto him shall ye hearken, and whoso will not obey shall bring upon themselves their own self-willed destruction." Then Peter said unto Yeshua, "Dear Lord, it is good for us to be here; if thou wilt let us make there three tabernacles - one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. But while he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and twelve rays as of the sun issued from the cloud, and a voice came out of the cloud, which said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him and keep his law." And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly astonished. And Yeshua came and touched them and said, "Arise and be not afraid." And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Yeshua only. And the six glories of the eternal spirit, the first of the holy Archangels, were seen upon him. And Yeshua said unto them, "Behold, anew I give unto you, The Law, which is not new but from old. Even as Moses gave the law to Israel after the flesh, so also I give unto you the law for the Kingdom of Israel after the Spirit. "For who are the Israel of God? Even they of every nation and tribe who work righteousness, love, mercy and keep my commandments, these are the true Israel of God." And standing upon his feet, Yeshua spake, saying: "Hear O Israel, the Eternal All, Thy God is One; Many are My overseers, and My prophets. In Me all live and move, and have subsistence. "Ye shall love thy God with all your understanding of the Holy Law. "Ye shall love thy neighbor as yourself, even as the law instructs. "Ye shall not take away the life of any creature for your pleasure, nor for your profit, nor yet torment it. "Ye shall not steal the goods of any, nor gather lands and riches to yourselves, beyond your need or use. ''Ye shall not eat the flesh, nor drink the blood of any slaughtered creature, nor yet anything which bringeth disorder to your health or senses. "Ye shall not make impure marriages, where love and health are not, nor yet corrupt yourselves, or any creature made pure by the Holy One. "Ye shall not bear false witness against any, nor willfully deceive any by a lie to hurt them. "Ye shall not do unto others, as ye would not that others should do unto you. "Ye shall worship One Eternal, the Father-Mother in Heaven, of Whom are all things, and reverence the Holy Name, keeping sacred Their daily holy communions. "Ye shall revere your fathers and your mothers on earth, whose care is for you, and all the teachers of righteousness. "Ye shall cherish and protect the weak, and those who are oppressed, and all creatures that suffer wrong. "Ye shall work with your hands the things that are good and seemly; so shalt ye eat the fruits of the earth, and live long in the land. "Ye shall purify yourselves daily and rest every Seventh Day from labour, keeping Holy the Sabbaths and the Festivals of your God and Creator. "Ye shall do unto others, as ye would that others should unto you." And when his disciples heard these holy words, they smote upon their breasts, saying: "Wherein we have offended, O God please forgive us; and may thy wisdom, love and truth within us, so incline our hearts to love, keep and cherish this Holy Law." And Yeshua said unto them, "My yoke is equal and my burden light, if ye will to bear it; to you it will be easy. Lay no other burden on those that enter into the kingdom, but only these necessary things. "This is the Law renewed unto the Israel of God, and the complete Law is within, for it is the law of love, and it is not new but old. Take heed that ye add nothing to this law, neither take anything from it. For verily I say unto you, they who believe and obey this law shall be saved, and they who know and obey it not, shall be lost. "But as in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive. And the disobedient shall be given many tests, for they who persist in wickedness shall descend and shall perish eternally; but they who obey my Law will inherit everlasting life." And as they came down from the mountain, Yeshua charged them, saying, "Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the sleep of death." His disciples then asked him, saying, "Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?" And Yeshua answered and said unto them, "Elias truly shall first come and make ready all things. "But I say unto you, that Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they lusted. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them." Then the disciples under stood that Yeshua spake unto them of John the Baptist.
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A comment under this video got me thinking. For some reason I want to expand the statement that person made. Maybe my thoughts are of use to someone.
We have faith, by the Word of the Lord, and that is why we obey.
If obedience is all that is required then Humans did not need the ability to disobey, not the ability to comprehend. It is unwise to bury ones intellect simply because comprehension is beyond grasp so far. Seek Him & you shall find Him, not because he is hidden from you but because engaging in the search reveals His nature. In discovering how God is we come to know He is absolutely good, and a parent raising children.
Therefore we can have faith & obey.
Just imagine going from an entity that cannot die into an entity that is going to die. Presumptively Jesus understood
But he rose from the dead. His divinity never died just his body. His soul went into Hades to destroy death so that us humans in the flesh, can ascend to heaven. Along with Him. The very unlimited being PROVED his infinite and divine nature by literally becoming limited. God became man so that man can become God.
Now imagine going from an entity that can die,
To one that lives forever.
That’s what Jesus came down to show us.
We can go from mortal to immortal.
Very important message you can get from this conversation. Awesome video
Waiting for a new JP video titled: “Why i’m now a Christian”
Better to just focus on walking your own spiritual journey each day instead of looking at his, for pride goeth before the fall.
*Catholic Christian
@@becreativeshorts4513 Roman Catholic? Or Catholic I’m general. Because that would be a Christian
I think this discussion lacks one very important point, that God is revealed to mankind through generations, it is also coming through the "failure" of the first covenant, to bring us to the second covenant which moves beyond right and wrong as punishment for sin to love. We see how we fail with the first covenant and actually judge the Just judge! The point of Jesus returning to those who left him is more about getting the second covenant off the ground!
Let me just take a shot in the dark here~
“Is it the willingness to bear the pain?"
It isn't. And I am sorry you are dealing with this - it makes me mad honestly because the devil is stealing your health and your joy. But I know God can turn this around for you.
God does not punish us with pain. We wouldn’t break our child’s arm to punish them, and it doesn’t make us feel good to see them suffer. Why do we attribute these characteristics to God? I did for many years until I finally understood otherwise.
There are two issues here:
1. healing of sickness
2. bearing one’s cross/partaking in Christ’s sufferings.
These are TWO separate issues with wholly different approaches to both understanding and overcoming them. I will focus on ‘bearing one’s cross/partaking in Christ’s sufferings.’
The cross is what you don’t want to do, at any cost, however, you know you’re being called to do it. It’s like Paul’s thorn in the flesh. Like Christ’s cup in the garden of Gethsemane.
If we don’t want to do something, then we don’t do it; that’s simple enough.
But in this case, the Cross represents something we know we should do, we just don’t want to do it. Maybe it’s pride, fear, annoyance, etc. that keeps us from moving ahead. This is often recurring, not a one time thing.
Furthermore, the cross is what you DO want to do that you know is wrong (this is usually an evil intention or sinful nature we haven’t gained control over) that we must put under/refuse and instead pick up our cross and deny ourselves the indulgence. This can be very difficult. Now all have sinned. But in this case, the cross is an example of a recurring, perhaps addictive sinful pleasure that one cannot (does not want to) break free of. This can be chronic laziness, gluttony, or sexual sin, to name a few. The pain of the denial will be the same across the board for each individual’s cross.
Suffering under the oppression of sickness and disease is not what the word is teaching when it says,
1 Peter 14.12-14 "Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial that has come upon you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice that you share in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed at the revelation of His glory. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.."
The suffering? Persecution, in this case insulted for speaking of Christ, acting like Him, acknowledging Him or just in general people hating you because you love doing good and fighting evil. The world hates us, we’ve got to get over it. This is partaking in Christ’s suffering. Jesus said, If they hated me, they’ll hate you. If they loved Me, they’ll love you. A student is not above his teacher…
Next, Sacrifice:
Matthew 10.37-39 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it."
The suffering/sacrifice? Leaving something/someone we love (the life we love, the pleasure, indulgences, comfort etc) to follow the call of God. Not all are called to do this. (Responsibility/talents…) God sees each of us as individuals, and He treats us, like we as parents, treat our very different, individual children. What He has called you to do is not (perhaps) what He has called me to do.
The flesh, as Paul calls it, is our own sinful nature. Perhaps it’s the secret sin only we know about, but we must sacrifice this behavior if we want to walk in the Spirit and become who God calls us to be. This is suffering- the truly deep heartache, that one thing we long for more than anything that is not good for us but it’s hard to say no to…. it’s what Paul was struggling with in Romans 7, sooo many get stuck here and never advance beyond Christianity 101.
We wrestle with our sins and stay stuck in this fallen, earthly tent. The Holy Spirit cannot use a vessel trying to pour new wine into itself without taking off the old wine skin and putting on the new wine skin (Christ).
The answer to Pauls perplexity, is in Romans 8 - walking in the Holy Spirit. Putting off our will (old wine skin) and submitting to the will of the Father (Christ). Christianity 500+……(This, ‘Walking in the Spirit’, is a different class:)
[Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Galatians 5.24]
Offering the body as a living sacrifice to God is difficult, mainly because it keeps wanting to crawl down off the cross and run away….the suffering of Christ was submitting His will to God’s will. For Him it was the Cross, for me it’s something different, as for you. But it’s always putting off our own will and submitting to God. Not all can do this, they will make it to heaven, but they will miss their calling.
God has provided healing (by His stripes we are healed & my brethren, I wish above all things that you prosper and be in health, EVEN AS your soul (mind will emotions) prospers. So let’s get that off the table; your cross, partaking in Christ’s sufferings, has nothing to do with suffering in pain, sickness or disease.
So there’s the other issue of physical suffering and how to overcome it and get healed of it. Honestly, this is the hardest thing for most believers to conquer. Many a sermon has been preached about healing and the power of the Holy Spirit to heal us. Look how many people Jesus healed. Some had faith, some didn’t and He still healed them all. But they had to come to Him. This is what God wants for all of us, to heal us of our sickness and disease. Whole books have been written about it. There are many who preach and demonstrate the power of God today, perhaps one of the greatest in understanding the healing power of the Holy Spirit was the late Kathryn Kuhlman. She’s also the farthest thing from academia that one can get. There are many modern books about healing, Kathryn is just a personal favorite of mine because she was so unashamedly devoted to God in all her quirkiness…and He loved her for it.
God does not remain in the tidy boxes we fashion for Him…
This is very insightful. You have mentioned Kathryn Kuhlman as one of your inspiratios-do you have anyone else you can recommend? I admire your philosophical view of f the Cross. Hence, kindly share the books that have aided you in formulating this conclusion regarding the Cross.
@@daniellestaana1107 Here are a few that echo my understanding of the scriptures:
-Bill Johnson/Bethel Church/“Breaking the Bread of my Soul”/YT Video - dealing with loss, heartache, disappointment. A timely example. A solid minister with thoughtful, intellectual insight into the word of God.
-“Daughter of Destiny”/Jamie Buckingham biography on Kathryn Kuhlman
-“The Life Story of Lester Sumrall: The Man, the Ministry, the Vision” by Lester Sumrall, old-school but powerful story of transformation here.
-Insert nearly any missionary and/or martyr here. An example: "Shadow of the Almighty"
A few add’l resources:
-“Prayer” by Andrew Murray
-“Destined for the Throne” by Paul Billheimer
-“God’s Pursuit of Man” by A.W. Tozer
-"Good Morning Holy Spirit" by Benny Hinn
-scriptures: the story of Elisha - burned all his former life as an offering and followed the call of God extended by the prophet Elijah
-scriptures: Paul the Apostle who was a powerful political figure, a scholar and esteemed Roman citizen who was also Jewish, carrying great authority among the people. He shed it all for Christ; to whom much is given, much is required.
-scriptures: Esther, she risked her life to save the whole of Israel, her people. "who knows but that you have come to your royal position for such a time as this?”
-scriptures: Jesus emptied Himself of the very Divinity of God in order to do the will of the Father. (Philippians 2.6-8) We are asked to empty ourselves of so much less as mere mortals! Yet it can be so difficult for us to let go...
I hope this list helps you in your walk with Him.
God commanded his people to kill children in the OT so the belief that God couldn't break a childs arm or cause us pain is based on a false presumption the God loves people unconditionally. Don't look at God for who you want him to be, look at Him for who the bible claims He is
@@ashleygatewood I thank you as well, will seek out all you've shared. God bless 🙌 🙏 ❤️
@@Jcg12957 Ah, Paul and his grace enthusiasts. I love his second letter to the Corinthians about this man, but alas, this is a different topic altogether.
We are dealing with two formidable opponents here on Earth: our own sinful nature and Satan. These also intertwine at times, but not always. Our own decisions can absolutely ruin our life. One can be persecuted for Christ’s sake which is honorable, and one can be persecuted for doing something stupid. Let’s not blame everything on God.
Take note, verses 4 and 5 tell us everything we need to know; the man has sinned. The consequence of Satan getting ‘at his flesh’ is not a willful punishment by God, it is a consequence of sin. (I will add briefly here that truly, the man had to be kicked out of God’s presence in order to receive the punishment. That doesn’t sound like a ready-to-punish-willfully God to me.)
Now, if we sin, we receive the wages of death (and death can come in many forms: physically, financially, relationally, etc). However, our redemption through Christ is not based on our willingness to bear the pain of our own sins. How convenient that would be! “The more sickness I bear the more holy I am, look how I am barely breathing! Oh how holy I must be”….ha, not on your life.
Our redemption was the price HE paid. You don’t earn your standing in the kingdom of God by how much pain you can bear for your own sins. That was Christ’s cross for the sins of the world. Your part is to walk in Christ and put off sinning. He came to redeem us of this fallen state. We do not worship a temperamental Father in heaven. And personally, I have a hard time with Christians who attribute evil to God so that they can clear their own guilty conscience. It’s neurotic on our part. I’m thankful I understand differently now. Christ died for us. Let’s walk like we care about that.
This needs to be front and center: God does not punish us with pain, sickness or disease. But Satan certainly will, and he gains access through sin.
Don’t forget the man by the Pool of Bethesda: “Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.”
If that man were to begin sinning again, after Christ instructed him not to, I’d say that isn’t God punishing him, but rather his own stupidity he is suffering from…
If we sin, do something wrong, entertain evil, sin itself brings the wages of death: “For the wages of sin is death; BUT the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6.23.
So again, “The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I [God] am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” John 10.10
Luke 11.12-13 “What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
God has provided all manner of knowledge that we might live a victorious life here on Earth. “My people perish for lack of knowledge.” I think we often just get big egos about holding to a certain old-fashioned idea about God because we are being lazy and unwilling to do the real work to pull out the deeper revelation in scripture.
Now, lastly I would say this to you personally John G: it is you who should take your verses 4 and 5 and determine how YOUR view lines up with the scriptures I have given. Should I do your work for you? You lazily cut and paste and ask me to explain myself, yet again, after all the scripture I have already given you. This is why the Body of Christ has suffered. Lack of effort; and instead burden others to do the intellectual and spiritual work for us.
There is no paradox about Christ, just truth. John 14:6. Amen. That's all it matters.
3:00 it's not a mistery. I can't believe that a man like this that has red 1000s on books, never picked up a Bible to read. The most sold book on earth. Wow.
I ll give him an answer here, and for others that have same question, of "why is that". It's because, there would be no free will, with out the option of evil. End of story.
Do what you know is right.
Even if it kills you.
God bless you both! Pain and suffering are inevitable here on Earth and are a kind of purification of the soul from the inevitable 'evil' accumulated in this life or in others. These suffering/love cycles that follow each other in life are necessary, otherwise we would probably be permanently condemned to darkness and spiritual prison. Of course there is still Divine Grace given to those who cry out from their hearts for help. In any case, the pain to summarize is regarded by many ascetics as a blessing because they know from practice that in combination with faith it is the sure way to Eternal Paradise .. and this is not a metaphor!!
Many Orthodox hold that Christ would have incarnated even if Adam hadn't fallen as there are other reasons for the incarnation.
You actually believe the creator of the universe turned himself into a human being? You people can't live serious lives lol.
@@MrTheclevercat Not saying I'm on the same page as Ggdlsdfh;skldhsl;kdh, but I can definitely say you are oversimplifying his position.
Yes! It's also important to have the Divine relationship of the Trinity, because parents can relate to the excruciating pain of a parent offering up the only Son and having to stand by as Jesus dies, knowing that this is the way to reconciliation for the entire creation. There are many different ways to understand what was accomplished through Jesus' voluntary offering up of himself out of love for the Father and love for people. I appreciate this discussion. Thank you.
If a perfect man can bear the ultimate pain with zero guilt, you can bear whatever you are going through.
I recently learned something about the Lord Jesus saying "father why has thou forsaken me"
Jordan used to quote niezche and say "the suffering of life is such that even God would question his own existence"
Well what I learned is that Jesus was quoting Psalm 22. And he that so that the Pharisees may know who he was.
"Word becomes Flesh" may also be put as putting Words into Action.
If Jesus stated He'll be resurrected and so He did.
My brother likes Jordan Peterson and I truly hope and pray and ask God and Jesus to help my brother see this
This is a waaay out there, superficial comparison from a non-religious person who has no business making these connections, but here it goes. Extending this to a worldly view, the work that Jesus did to die on the cross for our sins and then return to help us anyway is an exemple of what we need to see in our world. To fix many of the problems that we have today, we need people who are willing to work really hard (die on the cross) to become successful resource givers (give back to people in a resourceful way) instead of resource takers (as if Jesus took revenge on humans for nailing him to the cross). It's easy to find success and then convince yourself that you are owed the resources that open up to you through your success. But Jesus was never owed his revenge and probably never considered such a thing in his human form. Our world isn't sustainable unless we give back all that we can to help people. Of course, this is ignoring the politics and views of what it means to "help people". Maybe I'm off in left field after only a single viewing.
You are not off, you are very much on point. That is one of the quintessential messages of Jesus Christ. How much better our world would be if we could all "bear our cross" Luke 9:23 and "love others just as I have loved you" John 13:34. As you pointed out this is what our world sorely lacks and desperately needs.
I think "suffering for the father as pleasing to God" is an apt metaphor for seeing and accepting reality without then manipulating it to one's benefit.
Jordan as well as many others are still trying to approach the bible with their own (worldly) knowledge.
Jesus said, "Unless you come as a little child, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."
You cannot use your own mind to understand an infinite God. You must be FULLY submitted to Him, asking Him and waiting on Him to give you the revelation and understanding.
For Peterson, the revelations come through discussions like this. Dont forget in Matthew Jesus says "where two or more are together discussing me, i am there with them"
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@@romeomk510 dont be like the pharisees bro. One thing about children, they love to learn
I think you speak the truth. But it's ok to start with worldly discussions, especially as open minded as this one is. It starts many on their journey, as witnessed by the many, many people who came to Christ through watching Peterson's theological conversations. But yes, to finally and truly submit to God, you can only use your heart. True surrender cannot be achieved with the mind, it is just a tool. In fact what you say is so true, that nobody will really understand it by reading it or thinking about it. You have to experience your own profound release by letting go utterly to the infinite power of God.
“I stand amazed in the presence
Of Jesus the Nazarene,
And wonder how He could love me,
A sinner condemned, unclean.
How marvelous! How wonderful!
And my song shall ever be:
How marvelous! How wonderful!
Is my Savior’s love for me!
For me it was in the garden,
He prayed: “Not my will, but Thine.”
He had no tears for His own griefs,
But sweat-drops of blood for mine”.
Charles Gabriel 1856-1932
For me JP is a litmus test to see if a liberal-educated academic who I highly respect can gradually be turned into a believer and Christian apologist. I feel that if it can happen to him it can happen to me.
It's difficult to walk the razor's edge of belief when all the doubt seems pointless in the face of such a coherent a compelling philosophy.
Bishop Richard Williamson.
Through Christ man was lifted up to God and God was brought down to man.
Astonishing how Dr. Peterson's post concerning being banned from Twitter gets a zillion views in 7 hours and this has a measly 3,000 views in 7 hours. Quite a comment on what modern day folk value.
On the contrary. It shows that as Americans we have a diverse set of beliefs but what unites us is our belief in freedom of speech. This is a good thing.
Just a sheer pleasure listen to smart people
Jordan Peterson If u ever read this I love ur work u encourage me to think deeper and develop habits to better myself. But I say this with love please stop keeping God at arms length. Idk if u are trying to find the truth of God and come to believe in him or you are fascinated with the person of Christ or maybe both. But "Understanding is the reward of faith. Therefore seek not to understand that thou may believe, but believe that thou may understand."
Augustine
And regarding the sacrifice of Christ it is not this romanticized version u have been hearing. It wasn't the Father looking at the nails in Christ hands it wasn't the thorn of crowns it wasn't the betrayel of his friends or even suffering for being innocent and the embarrassment or physical abuse and pain emotional or physical. It was the wrath of God that u and me deserve for all of our wickedness it was Christ on that Cross suffering at the hands of an angry and just God showing his hatred for sin on Jesus that U and I deserve and that is why we can be saved from death and judgement.
Isaiah 53:10 Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him he has put him to grief when his soul makes an offering for guilt he shall see his offspring he shall prolong his days the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied.
John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
Romans 2:5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's judgement will be revealed.
Please I plead with u repent and believe. God is not some mere physcholgical figure to be studied and figured out. Rather he is a loving and just God who has sent a savior for those who will trust him. The simple gospel message is one of good news u and I have broken God's law he has payed the fine.
Hebrews 10: 28-29
Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without Mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses how much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified and has outraged the spirit of Grace.
Romans 5:7-9 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person -- though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die --but God showed his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
I don't think he has to answer to you or anyone what he feels in relation to God, faith for many is a private matter. It's unseemly to demand their private, sacred information from someone.
@@barbarasherman4870 I know he doesn't have to answer to me however he will have to answer to God. So I will do my duty to let him know the truth out of love for him. I hope u consider what the Bible says.
Two intellectual giants 😮
Its hard for me to express how meaningful it was to find that religion, of all things, bears the understanding of human nature from our own perspective. Thanks for the clip, great guest.
When it seems like the world is a contradiction, it is then when that ancient frigin book starts making a whole lot of sense. The experiences of our ancestors encapsulate its pages and speak of a history our greatest elders have no memory of. Only a fool would throw it out.
I truly don’t understand why religious people keep missing the real message of Yeshuah, they complicate things in a way that only the intellect and the ego can rationalized, the way of God is so much easier and simpler than that for sure, I was a none believer for 53 years of my life before my NDE and there I meet Jesus. This idea of God and heaven and Jesus was nothing more than a joke to me, but about three years ago I stopped breathing and died and to my surprise I meet Jesus when I asked if he truly existed
I also meet one of Jordan Peterson’s guides in one of my silent prayers when he was very sick and his daughter give as all the news, I was told that he was going to be fine, now I’m still not a religious person nor I will ever become one, I have no believe systems but only a knowing system, I don’t believe in God or Jesus because I know God and Jesus are real and they love as all in ways that no human brain or intellect could ever comprehend, he loves as all unconditionally and without judgment no matter what!, There’s no religion in God or Jesus or Heaven, religion was created by man and this I was told after asking
I wish you all well on your path and let the love and peace and joy of our creator cascade over you all, be love my friend and be blessed, love is all that truly matters, be well!
What Jesus Christ did for us on the cross is far beyond our conscious! Because this a deed is high spiritual act. He did more than forgive us and the Sins of the world but also beyond the cross he created the way to the father's house for souls to be forgiven from their Sins. Because Jesus paid the price for our punishment. Also he defeated Satan and death. The cross is a symbol of strength and hope and eternal life ❤️ hallelujah praise Jesus Christ our Lord and savior
Personally i think Jesus represents a courage and ability to face the deepest and darkest evil that we all have the capability of within us, and do it with a bravery and calmness of knowing no matter what happens, no matter how bad it gets, he will never surrender to it.
I think that is the power that God himself represents and offers to us all.
The need to be reborn
I agree, and would add there is an obligation on our part to live according to his example if we are to set the world straight. Christ 'took the sins of the world upon himself' (Christ voluntarily took responsibility for the world's chaos and disorder) and the way forward--to birth order out of chaos--is for the individual to set themselves straight and live with the highest degree of integrity conceivable (as Christ did).
@@jeremyashcraft2053 Im a realist, i understand ppl are gonna sin. I have no issue with that, all part of the learning process.
When you start worshipping false idols we've entered a much more serious conversation tho.
How do you access that power?
@@freshliving4199 Follow God.
Sir the answer is LOVE
God is LOVE
He LOVE all his creations, the creations were made because of his Son Jesus Christ.
Even if we put it literally. A parent who loves his / her children had keep all those things pertaining to those children and will do anything for the sake of their children.
A man who loves a woman keeps her things if not things - memories.
Father knows how Jesus loves his creation because those were made because of him. It's priceless since its life - a human with soul... We have some parts from them. Because we're created as to their image.
"He died for our sins" it still doesn't sit right.
Have you heard, `Marvel not, you must be born again. Or you will not see nor inherit the kingdom of God.'?
Love, it's all about love.
@@deadmetal8692 We know we love God when we obey his commandments.
Especially because they are happy for that. I can't understand this as a Muslim. I would choose at any moment to die for Christ and not the other way around
@@tokasab8684 Do you understand the premise of sacrifice and redemption?