Lennox and humility...That is always rich coming from somebody who thinks he “knows” God, THE God, humility by those who think that the universe was created with him in mind, that they knows the one creator of the universe, and know what this divine being wants. Jeah, that has all the hallmarks of humility right there.
@@derhafi Indeed coming from someone who believes their own morals can be used to capitally punish a human being even though moral statements are exactly the same in intrinsic value. Atheism is definitely the epitome of humility guys.
@@TheSpacePlaceYT Aside from the fact that Atheism makes no claims about anything regarding moral, that you in fact use your own choosen morals "to punish a human being" (it just happens that you jumped on some theologien bandwagon with this one.. i have to assume) and set aside that I never said anything about "capital punishment" at all, all those things aside....you really see no flaw in Lennox "arguments"?
I love how Lennox, clearly a very brilliant man, comes across as intellectually humble and honest. His ever present clarity of thought and ability to communicate deep philosophical arguments in a cogent manner make him perhaps the finest modern proponent of rational Christianity. Doubtless, recalcitrant atheists will instantaneously and dogmatically close themselves to his solid arguments, but some open-minded agnostics who really take the time and effort to mentally digest his writings may well find themselves pulled a bit closer to the possibility of a deity. In any case, he is an absolute joy to read, watch, and listen to.
you'll realize it one day but reaching athiests will never be done via modern religion, cant attach a title like christian they wont believe the horse shit. The new meta is "spirituality"
Lennox pushes the faith argument. As religions are mutually exclusive at best one or perhaps zero faiths can be correct. Ergo faith is not a reliable pathway to truth Lennox might be a brilliant mathematican, but his logic is puny
@jamesperkins4068 Christians are quite special ~Eph 1 “And He(God) put all things under His(Jesus) feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.”
Though I have heard this man a dozen times.. I cannot get enough of his wisdom. Brilliant.. deep.. wonderful. Those who question his wisdom don't have an answer - only the question.
That was astonishing. I love the last question he answers in closing. Wonderful interview Eric, humor, science and God. Dr. Lennox is outstanding! Thank you.
What an incredible conversation! His recent book "Can Science Explain Everything?" is a masterpiece. While science can answer the ‘what’ questions, it does not deal with the ‘why’ questions and doesn’t even explain the things that we think it does. John is such a humble man of faith and a great friend! Thank you for sharing this talk! 🙏📖 #JohnLennox #CanScienceExplainEverything #InspiringConversation
Thanks Eric and team, I so love Lennox. He has a knack for cutting through the guff and getting to the meat. The current intolerance of the mainstream belief-system that is taught in our schools, media, and entertainment systems is absurd and dangerous, and so harmful for eternity. We need more voices like John to finally topple this tower of falsehoods!
@setsebbati How can you be in shock if you are dead? Or are you admitting now that there is life after death? Extreme atheists are so hateful it completely contorts their logic.
@James Perkins so you should equally doubt your own understanding according to your own belief. If you can doubt what Christians believe because fallible humans are untrustworthy, you probably shouldn't trust yourself either.
*_“The more I study science, the more I believe in God.”_* --- Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955), founder of modern physics (Theory of Relativity inter alia) and 1921 Nobel prize winner
Thanks for sharing. Always knew he wasn't an atheist (more like an agnostic). I suppose constantly being right about almost everything he imagined in his mind finally got him thinking there's got to be something behind all this.
John lennox doesn't get enough play. Love his humility. To see him talk with others, and he so gentile. I love it. And want to imitate it. Love you brotha John. Mr. Lennox.
Prof John Lennox - you have inspired me to learn the Bible and be fully equipped to defend the Truth. God be praised for your love and life and humility. You are a living example of our Master and Saviour Jesus Christ.
@@wassilykandinsky4616 i don't think he's considering him a treasure, i think OP thinks that the god he beliefs in has the power to "bless", why do you bring all the science stuff?
@@robinwarren6924. Scyaa Glad's: "This man is a treasure! " And you: "i don't think he's considering him a treasure". "why do you bring all the science stuff?" Lennox claims that science proves his particular Christian god.
@@wassilykandinsky4616 Same can be said about an atheist. Also it's not science vs theism. It's a false dichotomy. It's theism vs materialism/naturalism. Science is neutral.
@@TheEMC99 Their opinions surely..... The rules of science are simple. I forwarded them. I never really told anyone to drop their faith and become atheist. I just do not endorse any special pleading or interference of religious people into science. He is right, science does not say that gods do not exist. That is no proof for gods though, not for unicorns, jesus or other zombies. Creationists had years to prove their case, and they dropped the ball each time they are asked to bring evidence. I forwarded the evidence for evolution, I explained how science rules work, and who is obligated to prove what. And I pointed out that certain fallacies do not apply.....and that repeated strawmanning indicates a lack of integrity. That stating evolution is supposedly wrong while never having put in any effort to study the subject is tantamount to being a liar, so far one of the more serious sins in Christianity.
@James Perkins An interesting perspective...however I must simply disagree with the notion that the speakers especially lennox are in any way anti-humble how you got that thought leads me to believe you simply did not watch the whole presentation, as for The host he is quite obviously telling jokes to make the presentation more interesting. As for the idea that these concepts are simply unknowable I again disagree under the premise that the whole of christianity is built under the research of Gods revealing to us which is done via history which has always been an important method of learning fact. Your accusation that these men are attempting to line their pockets I simply find to be Ad hominem and also unlikely to be true yet I acknowledge that you are free to your opinion. Anyway I hope you keep up the search for truth without the idea that the truth is unknowable (As we all would be wasting our time and would have realized sooner). All that to say Jesus loves you too!
@jamesperkins4068 Proof? What do you consider proof? Direct or indirect evidence.... Testable science only or scientific theories? Historical and archeological verification Or. the supernatural validation of Prophecy?
@jamesperkins4068 When it comes down to it, we all have to do our own research, and make a choice. One that makes the most sense to us. We do the best we can, or, not always, sometimes we do not really dig into the deep questions, we prefer the surface. I have been an agnostic, and an atheist, and God has revealed himself in my life and has given me confirmation of his truth. If i were to try and persuade you to my view, I would not really know how too, other than sharing the story that my life has been, and the journey of my experiences, thoughts, beliefs and how they have changed over the years. Then you might understand why I think the way I do, and if you shared with me, maybe I would understand why you think the way you do. Anyhow, I will pray for you, even though that might not mean a lot to you. All the best.
Thank you to all who were responsible for making this presentation and introducing me to Professor Lennox. What a blessing! I know science can’t answer the big questions, only God can; and He has. Praise the name of Jesus!
I see why Eric Metaxes loves talking to Dr. Lennox. His way of thinking truly makes you think. The questions asked and the statements said make me pause rewind and try to take it in. What a ride!🤔💃
What a privileged I had to hear this intellectual. Speaker for the truth of God ‘s creation. May God continue to use him for many more years to enlighten the world. The
John lennox will say what you want to hear how much money does he get for all these debates and lectures that's what religion is all about money money money money and more money
@@mick1gallagher For 28.04.2020 - We have next information about John Lennox earnings, net worth: $58,020,274 tho the information can be unreliable. The other source says: 2018 - $900 000. But he sells a ton of books. So he can't be poor.
That was ... WONDERFUL!!!!! I searched for words but all I could use to describe having heard this brilliant conversation is wonderful. I’m sitting here well after midnight. Tomorrow I plan on getting this out to every single person I can. I can not imagine anyone walking away from this conversation an unbeliever. But I’m a simple thinker. However, I’d definitely love to challenge every unbeliever I know to hear this! I’m Not sure I can sleep after that. Too excited to share this!!!!
I feel completely humbled and blessed by this presentation. It is so good. I am humbled because I am in the envious position of being able to accommodate in the mind God has given me, the enormity of John Lennox's conversations and the matters he raised. The blessings flow as a consequence of this and they encourages my faith noend. How can we hope to convey these words of wisdom to the many souls whose world views send them in other foolhardy directions even within our own modern socio-political environments?.
What an amazing human Dr. Lennox is. Full of compassion. Thank you Sir for your wonderful lectures and speeches that have inspired millions of people. May the Lord keep you safe and happy.
That last five minutes was moving. The part about watching the Andromeda Galaxy: "I know it's there, but it doesn't know I'm here. It shows God's magnificence, but it's not made in the image of God - you are!" What a profound and emotionally touching statement.
This is my first time listening to Dr.Lennox speak and when he first opened his mouth I'm thinking what a wonderful jolly man this is! Then I'm like omgosh he's brilliant
Finally, I’ve found someone that thinks like I do. Thank you for uploading this soul saving video. I do not understand people who try to separate and believe they should be separate, God and science.
10:29 So I've concluded a long time ago that atheism is necessary for both Communism or a sort of Corporate Serfdom. The Oligarchs must have figure out this (fascinating) point from Dr. Lennox a long time ago, and instead of outright shutting down the philosophy courses, they have just coerced them into teaching the tenets of Communism or Corporatism necessary to generate obedient, willing slaves. I was also raised an atheist and was an atheist for 28 years, but am fortunately a Christian now.
A very useful interview for every human being who want to come closer to truth and for Christians who want to help people in the darkness to se the light. I will watch this again so it will stick in my mind better.
What a blessing to hear this man speak! My God! Iv never heard these arguments so clearly stated. I've always felt in my bones that atheism is laughable, and Iv tried to make my own analogies when going into discussion with others but I could never lay it out so clearly. I'm going to buy his books asap.
This is The Best Interviewer I saw in my whole life :D The man is so humorous (maybe sometimes too much ^^') and logical, asking good questions and bringing super spirit.
Johns last remarks about what it will be like when he gets to heaven, my sentiments exactly ❤️ I find that the most kindred of spirits for me are old wise men
i love the comments on here, coz i dont remember believing in a fictional God or fairies, or a sky daddy, or a bearded man in the sky. i believe in the God of christianity, so mind if i tag along with these unfunny jokes?
‘why does a kettle boil?’, the answer from a scientific perspective would link to the chemical properties of water and its response to heat. Though this does not fully answer the question, as the reason the kettle is boiling is because the kettle was turned on because someone wants a cup of tea. - John Lennox
could have beeen by a nonreligious scientist....they have the habit of cracking heavy jokes on themsleves. It helps research work can be frustrating and hardly progressive. Humor helps to live with frustration.
Jesus preached the Kingdom of God in parables. But here on earth God’s work must truly be our own. God has to manifest himself through the same cosmic laws that everything--and everyone--on earth has to follow. For us to ally ourselves with Jesus in helping bring the Kingdom of God on earth, we must remember this: Without God, we cannot. Without us, God will not.
all Christian apologists including John Lennox needs to watch following clip : And, let's see what is their response? Better to watch till end : ruclips.net/video/wBio3y0Rrbc/видео.html ruclips.net/video/hhjOnYbKJJw/видео.html
@@assertive925 Hi, I'm no apologist, but was interested in your comment so I watched your Osho video. This guy makes statesments without any proof. He is locked in his own logic and (in that vid anyway) talks superficially of something he doesn't understand.
John, just after mentioning that all schools are faith schools asks if he should tell the audience a little story about that, and I found myself at home, putting my hand up, saying, yes please! I believe that the reason why Jesus will wipe away every tear, is not because some of our family or friends won't be there with Him, but the tears will be because we never realised what we could and should have invested in heaven, we will come to a realisation of what has been missed for all eternity, yes, missed for all eternity. Like John, after I rise to my feet when I have finished worshipping Jesus, I will say, "Thank you." Words which sound so hollow, but which cannot convey anything greater. Carl, just journeying through.
Oh I just love John Lennox!! I could listen to him speak for days on end. He’s my favorite debater of all time!! He’s so civilized and knowledgeable. He makes everything he talks about sound intelligent. If this great man believes in God I think that’s sufficient evidence that He might be real.
"Anybody who has been seriously engaged is scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith. ' It is a quality which the scientist cannot dispense with." ~ Max Planck
Planck also said.... 'the faith in miracles must yield, step by step, before the steady and firm advance of the facts of science, and its total defeat is undoubtedly a matter of time.'
Dawkins is okay but Hitchens was really good. Now I do believe in Jesus but when Hitchens would bring up others ways of thinking helped to really make me think. Really sharpen my sword and I am thankful that he strengthened my debting skills on why I believe. Romans 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
They always were/are. It's such a shame that a generation of kids have been fooled by 'arguments' that you are supposed to learn about when you're a child. Although, you can't really blame them because they were indoctrinated from their school days onward's 33:00 & 59:00. If you watch George Galloway debating Hitchens, Galloway is much more persuasive, so Hitchens gets annoyed with the audience! How dare they not bow down to one of the new priest's...!
Mike Allison Coaching absolutely exposes the absurdity of the weak atheism arguments held on to by the most idealized “brains” in the world of higher learning!
Your John Lennox and Dr. Meyer programs were excellent.and deeply reveling in subjects not generally available to Joe Sixpack. Keep the high profile information coming to millions of us beer drinkers on RUclips. Contrary to opinions of the upper crust we have an enormous thirst for the kind of information these distinguished gentlemen share and we love to continue the conversation among ourselves. Good on you!
As Christians, we believed the ultimate Gospel which is the Resurrection of Christ, an important aspect of how death is overcome by Life. And actually many who dont believe in Creator God i find that they still amazed me when they believe in a “non life become life” which in essence is the “resurrection” of a dead thing into a living thing... and i find it harder to believe that, requires more faith that to believe in Jesus i would say. Thank you Prof John Lennox. Jus love ur sharing so much. Praise God
Empires, nations, armies, and Kings have throughout history tried to destroy The Lord God and His Word..They have all been destroyed, YET The Living God and His Holy Word are still Alive and Well today and forever....
Profound! I rate this interview at top of scale #1!!! I ❤️ Prof. Dr. (Sir :-!) Lennox, hah!! & Im a fan of ‘The Eric Metaxas Show’. This is what I call Real Education of which I’ve invested time, $, effort in an AA & BS. My RUclips EDU is worth far more to me than investing in 💎, gold, precious stone. Thank God for men like this. Keep it up Eric. All ears: Words, beautiful Words! Beautiful Word of God & men of Faith in Him!!! 🙏
Of course the irony is that while atheists accuse theists of using a "god of the gaps", it is actually them that use a "science of the gaps". "We can't explain it but the answer is in science."
@Brad Watson The “Jesus Family Tomb” is not necessarily (or even really likely to be) the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth. www.livescience.com/50434-jesus-family-tomb-geology.html This is not established as having been the same person. Note that this would not explain any of the apostles’ claims, how Jesus survived the crucifixion, why Paul converted, why the Jews claimed the disciples stole the body (instead of producing it), etc. It is at this point not at all sufficient proof that Jesus did not rise from the dead.
I don't know this old gentleman but I can say that he seems to be a sweet soul. The host mentioned Dr. Hugh Ross. I can say that Dr. Ross is probably the expert in integrating Theology and science in the most comprehensive way.
In all of his "lectures" Lennox wallows in a delusion, fully convinced of his God. In his mind there is no doubt, despite no demonstrable correlation between God and reality aka the complete lack of solid evidence that would add credibility to his position. His argumentation is laughable at best. He barely distinguishes between claims and evidence and lists “personal experiences” as his final “proof” for the existence of the God he happens to believe in. The same excuse for a reason, that other believers in other Gods mumble too when asked. Maybe he is a good mathematician, I neither know nor care, his kindergarten epistemology is not better than what one would expect of a medieval peasant.
@@derhafi I appreciate your commenting Rob. But to be fair, your argument is one of the two biggest obstacles that atheists have in getting any traction with me. You said, "...despite no demonstrable correlation between God and reality aka the complete lack of solid evidence that would add credibility to his position." Sir, that is just simply so contrary to reality it is the equivalent of a naked man standing in the street howling at the moon. It simply is not reasonable. I can respect someone who puts up an argument that the evidence is not compelling. But when you say there is (and Lennox has) no evidence, that just goes against reality and common sense. It always comes down to the fact that no one can PROVE God does ... or does not ... exist. A theist has staked out the affirmative and the atheist the opposite. There are factions on both sides that have their beliefs for illogical or unreasonable reasons - truth be told, I was that way in my younger years. I believed based on upbringing and emotions (and some reasons like conscience). As I have gotten older and done considerably more research, the EVIDENCE is what has overwhelmingly convinced me. I have not yet listed the "evidence" because you say there is none. If you are steadfast in believing that, no conversation seems productive. If you would like to discuss the evidence and share your issues with my views - and share your views. I would be open to that.
@@MiklRngr “..that is just simply so contrary to reality” Is it? Then please point me to this demonstrable correaltion. In my experience, all believers ever manage when attempting this, are fallacious assumptions wishful thinking in the form of personal revelations and appeals to emotions….That is non-compelling evidence….… I am talking about an actual demonstrable correaltion. Literally everything I believe to be real has to meet this threshold. No God proposition ever has achieved this. I am sure you use the same standard most of the time…Other than you I am consequential with this and don’t make exceptions for things I want to be true. “It always comes down to the fact that no one can PROVE God does ... or does not” That puts God in the same category as magical unicorns and goblins…They have no demonstrable correaltion with reality either. “I believed based on upbringing and emotions (and some reasons like conscience).” I suspect you still do. Well, I do not. I believe what is demonstrably part of this reality. “As I have gotten older and done considerably more research, the EVIDENCE is what has overwhelmingly convinced me. “ Then please present this compelling evidence that convinced you that there is some ill-defined metaphysical /substance /creator/ God / entity/ force/intelligence/power/ supernatural whatever, not subject to the known laws of physics, that interacts with the fabric of our reality in ways that have thus far eluded every controlled experiment ever performed in the history of science. Can’t wait to get my hands on it. “I have not yet listed the "evidence" because you say there is none.” Well….I am waiting with an genuinely open mind…so please, go ahead.
@@derhafi Rob, I appreciate your long form response and will reply in kind. However, to keep things bite-sized, I will offer my insights very tightly constrained. First, let us agree with the definitions of evidence and proof and God: Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. To keep things simple, I think using the types of evidence used in a US Court of Law would suffice: Real Evidence (physical materials), Documentary, Demonstrative, Testimonial, Digital. Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement. God: The Creator of all things we see and do not see. He created space/time and thus is not bound by space/time. He is personal and has purpose to His choices. Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient. Assuming we can agree on those definitions, let’s start at the beginning. In this case, the beginning of life (we can also do the very beginning of everything later). Since I am not going to use theology, we will not be looking at Jesus’s claim to be God nor “testimonial” evidence based on metaphysical claims. While this is valid, it is outside the scope of our discussion. Ok, let us start with abiogenesis - how life began. the Bible in Genesis is clear: God created everything and there was nothing (other than Jesus and the Holy Spirt) before He created. He created everything (heavens and earth) and then created all life on earth. We can agree for our purposes that all physical matter and energy existed prior to life because science needs it to be there and the Bible says it was there. Hence, we have no conflict. Now, you must make the first cell. I do not care how you make it, but you have to MAKE some “stuff” (being lipids, proteins, amino acids, etc.) and then have this stuff come into orderly combination and they have to then create many machines to make a cell. The living cell is the lowest form of life that can self replicate according to science. Not only does a cell have a dozen or more structures, but it has multitudes of the components in each structure. Having said that, every single structure must be organized in a very specific order to function. Mathematically, this is rarer than 1 in 10 to the 600th (plus) order of probability. If we added up every second in the last 15 billion years only 10 to the 18th seconds have passed. Anything beyond 10 to the 50th power is considered a mathematical absurdity. I would like to point out that given sufficient absurd amounts of time and absurd opportunities, this could maybe sorta happen. However, once it does happen, everything needs to work PERFECTLY and IMMEDIATELY. Even a few seconds and the parts start to degrade and fail. A bit of oxygen or a bit of ammonia - the parts are destroyed. In other words, the chances of this happening one time are not a fair assessment. What is the chances of this happening millions of times until everything works just right. This should also be going on right now! Of course, it appears not to be, which is very curious. This is a form of the argument of irreducible complexity. You cannot simply deconstruct a living material into its component parts because the parts no longer function. Neither can they all happen at the same time because they each are complex enough they are not simple offshoots of the other components. How are these molecules made? We only have one known answer … by a mind. Dr. James Tour is the preeminent chemical engineer who has actually CREATED molecules (not life, just a molecule). And Dr. Tour has EVERYTHING he needs and a great laboratory just to make these. He mocks the concept as abiogenesis as pure folly or insanity. This is STRONG evidence to the most plausible solution which is that a mind created life. Whatever this “mind” is seems easy to start to line up with our definition of God. This is not proof … but it is extremely strong chemistry, mathematical, biological, and logic based application of reason. Here is an example of a machine which points to an Engineer: ruclips.net/video/WFCvkkDSfIU/видео.html
@@derhafi As a closer to my last long post, I offer this. Your comment: "In my experience, all believers ever manage when attempting this, are fallacious assumptions wishful thinking in the form of personal revelations and appeals to emotions….That is non-compelling evidence ..." I agree, those are not sufficiently compelling for logic and reason based individuals. I hope my first foray (above) was sufficiently based ONLY on science and a reasonable application of logic based on the best possible evidence we have available.
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"We need to be a lot more humble about what we know and what we do not know." Key statement by Dr Lennox. 👌
One thing that makes John beautiful is his humility
Lennox and humility...That is always rich coming from somebody who thinks he “knows” God, THE God, humility by those who think that the universe was created with him in mind, that they knows the one creator of the universe, and know what this divine being wants. Jeah, that has all the hallmarks of humility right there.
@@derhafi Indeed coming from someone who believes their own morals can be used to capitally punish a human being even though moral statements are exactly the same in intrinsic value. Atheism is definitely the epitome of humility guys.
@@TheSpacePlaceYT Aside from the fact that Atheism makes no claims about anything regarding moral, that you in fact use your own choosen morals "to punish a human being" (it just happens that you jumped on some theologien bandwagon with this one.. i have to assume) and set aside that I never said anything about "capital punishment" at all, all those things aside....you really see no flaw in Lennox "arguments"?
These lectures on God and science have been more beneficial than I can describe thank you so much for sharing 🙏
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This lecture was totally devine!!! Thank God for him and others like him!
I love how Lennox, clearly a very brilliant man, comes across as intellectually humble and honest. His ever present clarity of thought and ability to communicate deep philosophical arguments in a cogent manner make him perhaps the finest modern proponent of rational Christianity. Doubtless, recalcitrant atheists will instantaneously and dogmatically close themselves to his solid arguments, but some open-minded agnostics who really take the time and effort to mentally digest his writings may well find themselves pulled a bit closer to the possibility of a deity. In any case, he is an absolute joy to read, watch, and listen to.
you'll realize it one day but reaching athiests will never be done via modern religion, cant attach a title like christian they wont believe the horse shit. The new meta is "spirituality"
AWESOME Lennox is so humble.
Agree 100%. Wish I had heard this years ago...so good. Thanks you for sharing.
*VERY well stated. ✓*
Lennox pushes the faith argument. As religions are mutually exclusive at best one or perhaps zero faiths can be correct. Ergo faith is not a reliable pathway to truth
Lennox might be a brilliant mathematican, but his logic is puny
The host is so charismatic and effortlessly hilarious, absolutely a joy to listen to
@jamesperkins4068 Christians are quite special ~Eph 1 “And He(God) put all things under His(Jesus) feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.”
Im now John Lennox's biggest fan.
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Though I have heard this man a dozen times.. I cannot get enough of his wisdom.
Brilliant.. deep.. wonderful.
Those who question his wisdom don't have an answer - only the question.
Neil Brown looks like you didn’t get the argument you wanted😂
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That was astonishing. I love the last question he answers in closing. Wonderful interview Eric, humor, science and God. Dr. Lennox is outstanding! Thank you.
One of the best challenging against atheism culture by John Lennox ,God bless him and his family, Amin.
Absolutely AGREE ., AMEN
What an incredible conversation! His recent book "Can Science Explain Everything?" is a masterpiece. While science can answer the ‘what’ questions, it does not deal with the ‘why’ questions and doesn’t even explain the things that we think it does. John is such a humble man of faith and a great friend! Thank you for sharing this talk! 🙏📖 #JohnLennox #CanScienceExplainEverything #InspiringConversation
I love the conversations on Socratesinthecity keep them coming. God bless both John and Eric.
Dr. Lennox, a man of faith that truly loves the Lord his God with all his mind and strength, whom the world is not worthy. God bless
Is he dead?
@@mcmanustony no, thankfully he is still with us. Just recognizing a long life well lived, that's all.
He's still alive :)
@@airikd6535 Dude.. Can you edit your comment for the present tense, please? I was saddened to read your comment thinking Dr.Lennox passed away.
JayMatt done.
Praise the Lord GOD, the creator of everything. For revealing HIMSELF to us through HIS works...
He also reveals Himself directly. I’ve heard the Holy Spirit you can too just pray and have faith.
Thanks Eric and team, I so love Lennox. He has a knack for cutting through the guff and getting to the meat. The current intolerance of the mainstream belief-system that is taught in our schools, media, and entertainment systems is absurd and dangerous, and so harmful for eternity. We need more voices like John to finally topple this tower of falsehoods!
Never get tired of listening to the wisdom of the great John Lennox. 💟💗💖 Thank you SITC!
We need more Christian thinkers like John Lennox. He is a gem!
setsebbati haha coming from a typical anti-theist
@@ck_banana_noob7145 If Lennox were Isaac Newton's friend, he would have snitched Newton for heresy.
@setsebbati How can you be in shock if you are dead? Or are you admitting now that there is life after death? Extreme atheists are so hateful it completely contorts their logic.
He certainly is...
You need to take in as much of him as we can
1. Lennox pushes the faith argument
2. Nothing fails like faith
3. Lennox debunked
Oh dear and glorious Prof Lennox thank you for sharing your wisdom with us! And thank you Eric for making it possible.
As a former "angry atheist" who's converted to Christianity, I greatly appreciate his insights.
love you ❤
So glad to hear! Welcome bro! ❤ May the peace and joy of Christ bless you greatly.
@James Perkins so you should equally doubt your own understanding according to your own belief. If you can doubt what Christians believe because fallible humans are untrustworthy, you probably shouldn't trust yourself either.
Jasonwarren9279: ‘Angry atheist’ is redundant, is it not?
*_“The more I study science, the more I believe in God.”_* --- Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955), founder of modern physics (Theory of Relativity inter alia) and 1921 Nobel prize winner
That is just not true. Einstein was a superficial person and prettymuch a atheist also.
@@fortynine3225 Do research before you begin to speak the stupid.
Thanks for sharing. Always knew he wasn't an atheist (more like an agnostic).
I suppose constantly being right about almost everything he imagined in his mind finally got him thinking there's got to be something behind all this.
John lennox doesn't get enough play. Love his humility. To see him talk with others, and he so gentile. I love it. And want to imitate it. Love you brotha John. Mr. Lennox.
Prof John Lennox - you have inspired me to learn the Bible and be fully equipped to defend the Truth. God be praised for your love and life and humility. You are a living example of our Master and Saviour Jesus Christ.
What is your best argument for God?
@@ACMFORALL Fine Tuning
@@benerickson1432 ACM hunter clearly didn’t take his time to listen
This video loaded after watching my Bible study... I am so happy it did. What a gift to listen to him. Wonderful interview!!
This man is a treasure! God bless him!
In your view everybody who confirms your bias is a treasure. Belief is based on bias, science is skeptic of any biases.
@@wassilykandinsky4616 i don't think he's considering him a treasure, i think OP thinks that the god he beliefs in has the power to "bless", why do you bring all the science stuff?
@@robinwarren6924. Scyaa Glad's: "This man is a treasure! " And you: "i don't think he's considering him a treasure".
"why do you bring all the science stuff?" Lennox claims that science proves his particular Christian god.
Simply Excellent
@@wassilykandinsky4616 Same can be said about an atheist. Also it's not science vs theism. It's a false dichotomy. It's theism vs materialism/naturalism. Science is neutral.
Thanks for posting this! Dr. Lennox is a national treasure for the Western world in our lifetime.
International treasure. 😊 He's amazing.
I do not think Lennox is contributing to science much.
Lennox is meaningless.
@@sebastianschulz6531 A lot of things could be (unintellectually) called meaningless. People, will never be one of them.
@@TheEMC99
Their opinions surely.....
The rules of science are simple.
I forwarded them.
I never really told anyone to drop their faith and become atheist.
I just do not endorse any special pleading or interference of religious people into science.
He is right, science does not say that gods do not exist.
That is no proof for gods though, not for unicorns, jesus or other zombies.
Creationists had years to prove their case, and they dropped the ball each time they are asked to bring evidence.
I forwarded the evidence for evolution, I explained how science rules work, and who is obligated to prove what.
And I pointed out that certain fallacies do not apply.....and that repeated strawmanning indicates a lack of integrity.
That stating evolution is supposedly wrong while never having put in any effort to study the subject is tantamount to being a liar, so far one of the more serious sins in Christianity.
THAT was an amazing discussion, thank you SO much John Lennox and Eric Metaxas!
Although I'm Muslim, i loved his interview. He simply buried atheism faith with his brilliant arguments. Will love to hear him again
Very true
@James Perkins An interesting perspective...however I must simply disagree with the notion that the speakers especially lennox are in any way anti-humble how you got that thought leads me to believe you simply did not watch the whole presentation, as for The host he is quite obviously telling jokes to make the presentation more interesting. As for the idea that these concepts are simply unknowable I again disagree under the premise that the whole of christianity is built under the research of Gods revealing to us which is done via history which has always been an important method of learning fact. Your accusation that these men are attempting to line their pockets I simply find to be Ad hominem and also unlikely to be true yet I acknowledge that you are free to your opinion. Anyway I hope you keep up the search for truth without the idea that the truth is unknowable (As we all would be wasting our time and would have realized sooner).
All that to say Jesus loves you too!
@jamesperkins4068
Proof? What do you consider proof?
Direct or indirect evidence....
Testable science only or scientific theories?
Historical and archeological verification
Or. the supernatural validation of Prophecy?
@jamesperkins4068
If one's faith or belief is not true then their feelings will be of little consolation when they meet their creator
@jamesperkins4068 When it comes down to it, we all have to do our own research, and make a choice. One that makes the most sense to us. We do the best we can, or, not always, sometimes we do not really dig into the deep questions, we prefer the surface. I have been an agnostic, and an atheist, and God has revealed himself in my life and has given me confirmation of his truth. If i were to try and persuade you to my view, I would not really know how too, other than sharing the story that my life has been, and the journey of my experiences, thoughts, beliefs and how they have changed over the years. Then you might understand why I think the way I do, and if you shared with me, maybe I would understand why you think the way you do. Anyhow, I will pray for you, even though that might not mean a lot to you. All the best.
Thank you to all who were responsible for making this presentation and introducing me to Professor Lennox. What a blessing! I know science can’t answer the big questions, only God can; and He has. Praise the name of Jesus!
The concept of a god answers NO questions whatsoever, you may as well replace the word god with MAGIC it has exactly the same explanatory powers.
Psalm 14:1 “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”
This discussion was so amazing. I think I could listen to it dozens of times and absorb something new each time. Thank you, Eric & Dr. Lennox.
Yes it is amazing
The wisdom of John Lennox is riveting. Such a tremendous loss to anyone who has not heard him speak. And his final words.... yes, yes, yes...
The man is a simpleton
@@dopeydonaldtrump3744 and you just proved your own inability to make any rational judgement, lol. yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
@Drew Berube Hmm..yes...reminds me the remark by Jesus, "Let the dead bury the dead "
@@dopeydonaldtrump3744 Says a RUclips commentor who knows nothing about science.
@@TheSpacePlaceYT Says a youtube commentator who knows nothing about me. Oh dear. Must try harder.
What a wonderful and powerful interview. His last comments showed the personal side of his faith and I thought they were very beautiful.
true, it was all about faith, not about science
@@sebastianschulz6531 clearly you didn’t see the video
I see why Eric Metaxes loves talking to Dr. Lennox. His way of thinking truly makes you think. The questions asked and the statements said make me pause rewind and try to take it in. What a ride!🤔💃
It's funny how different people have different reactions. His way of thinking made me laugh out loud because it so ludicrous.
Dopey, like what? I enjoy hearing a different view....you got one?
@@dopeydonaldtrump3744 so, present your case. Show you know more than him
@@gigglesscreen Emm yea, I got a different view: reality
@@ozeasrossin Hahaha. What case do you want me to present ? Just look around you. It's called reality not fantasy.
What a privileged I had to hear this intellectual. Speaker for the truth of God ‘s creation. May God continue to use him for many more years to enlighten the world. The
World class thinking, thank you again Dr. Lennox.
John lennox will say what you want
to hear how much money does he get for all these debates and lectures that's what religion is all about money money money money and more money
@@mick1gallagher For 28.04.2020 - We have next information about John Lennox earnings, net worth: $58,020,274
tho the information can be unreliable. The other source says: 2018 - $900 000.
But he sells a ton of books. So he can't be poor.
@@mick1gallagher
Thanks for proving Christianity has always held the intellectual high ground compared to atheism since Hildegard of Bingen.
@@mick1gallagher and you, apparently, will do the same for free.
@@smashexentertainment676 This is what it is all about and always has been, taking money from the gullible.
That was ... WONDERFUL!!!!! I searched for words but all I could use to describe having heard this brilliant conversation is wonderful. I’m sitting here well after midnight. Tomorrow I plan on getting this out to every single person I can. I can not imagine anyone walking away from this conversation an unbeliever. But I’m a simple thinker. However, I’d definitely love to challenge every unbeliever I know to hear this! I’m Not sure I can sleep after that. Too excited to share this!!!!
In these very confused times we need more conversations like this. Thank you gentlemen a truly insightful conversation.
Both the argumentation line and way of thinking are incredibly reasonable and make perfect sense. Worth spreading indeed! Thanks for sharing!
I feel completely humbled and blessed by this presentation. It is so good. I am humbled because I am in the envious position of being able to accommodate in the mind God has given me, the enormity of John Lennox's conversations and the matters he raised. The blessings flow as a consequence of this and they encourages my faith noend. How can we hope to convey these words of wisdom to the many souls whose world views send them in other foolhardy directions even within our own modern socio-political environments?.
What an amazing human Dr. Lennox is. Full of compassion.
Thank you Sir for your wonderful lectures and speeches that have inspired millions of people.
May the Lord keep you safe and happy.
I LOVE listening to Dr Lennox speak everytime he does I learn so much.
1:17:54 - Simply extraordinary! What a synthesis!
I love the bantering between Eric and Dr Lennox. Hilarious. 😄
You are a handsome son of Good sir!
Son of God sir.Handsome son of God.Thank you!
That last five minutes was moving. The part about watching the Andromeda Galaxy: "I know it's there, but it doesn't know I'm here. It shows God's magnificence, but it's not made in the image of God - you are!" What a profound and emotionally touching statement.
Amazing talk John Lennox is so profound and precise. 10/10⭐s
This is my first time listening to Dr.Lennox speak and when he first opened his mouth I'm thinking what a wonderful jolly man this is!
Then I'm like omgosh he's brilliant
Finally, I’ve found someone that thinks like I do. Thank you for uploading this soul saving video. I do not understand people who try to separate and believe they should be separate, God and science.
To listen to this man speak each time is a special event
This guy is an intellectual treasure
Absolutely
10:29 So I've concluded a long time ago that atheism is necessary for both Communism or a sort of Corporate Serfdom. The Oligarchs must have figure out this (fascinating) point from Dr. Lennox a long time ago, and instead of outright shutting down the philosophy courses, they have just coerced them into teaching the tenets of Communism or Corporatism necessary to generate obedient, willing slaves. I was also raised an atheist and was an atheist for 28 years, but am fortunately a Christian now.
A very useful interview for every human being who want to come closer to truth and for Christians who want to help people in the darkness to se the light. I will watch this again so it will stick in my mind better.
That ending, the last question, had me in tears.
Simply amazing! As a Russian I hear him speak Russian and even though it’s with the heavy accent-it’s simply amazing and beautiful....
Do Russians believe in God?
What a blessing to hear this man speak! My God! Iv never heard these arguments so clearly stated. I've always felt in my bones that atheism is laughable, and Iv tried to make my own analogies when going into discussion with others but I could never lay it out so clearly. I'm going to buy his books asap.
This is
The Best Interviewer
I saw in my whole life :D
The man is so humorous (maybe sometimes too much ^^') and logical, asking good questions and bringing super spirit.
I agree! I had to write down the "my current wife" joke it is beyond hilarious! 😂
Sorry, I must be watching the wrong video. I watched the one where the objectionable Eric Metaxas carried out the interview.
@James Perkins u sound humble, gentle, kind and meek budd.
I LOVE THIS GREAT AND HUMBLE MAN!
Im touched to the core by his final statement....i will fall down flat and say THANK YOU!!!
That's what I'll say as well. What else is there to say in the face of Him who did everything? Alléluia!
@@karinecarde1254 All praise to The Almighty
@@obiyanko2019 amen!
Johns last remarks about what it will be like when he gets to heaven, my sentiments exactly ❤️ I find that the most kindred of spirits for me are old wise men
I don't know your age but you have wisdom that goes beyond years.
Carl, just journeying through.
The meek shall inherit the earth ,I hope to stay here ,YAHUA did not make it for nothing!
@@markdemell3717 Heaven or new earth, doesn’t matter to me, it will be better than we can imagine
I haven't even listen to the talk yet, but that intro was so great I've already given this video a thumbs up.
Thank you, our Awesome Creator, for the gift of brilliant believers like John Lennox who can repel the attacks of atheism.
God is fictional.
@@alexnorth3393 It is not ! The fairies told me about it, it must be real !
i love the comments on here, coz i dont remember believing in a fictional God or fairies, or a sky daddy, or a bearded man in the sky. i believe in the God of christianity, so mind if i tag along with these unfunny jokes?
@Drew Berube These 2 scientists have proof?
@@flapjackpanda They're lost.
Hey I'm black and I've been watch Dr. John Lennox for years.
Me likewise. Just recently started watching and I humbled!!!
Just because your a black man or women does not mean your not intelligent, your watching Dr.Lennox so I know your well read!Thanks.
I absolutely love listening to Mr Lennox. Thank you for educating me. 👍❤️🇨🇦
‘why does a kettle boil?’, the answer from a scientific perspective would link to the chemical properties of water and its response to heat. Though this does not fully answer the question, as the reason the kettle is boiling is because the kettle was turned on because someone wants a cup of tea. - John Lennox
read Romans 1: 20 everyone can understand God of the Bible . I agree with Dr.Lennox
Why are there 30,000 protestant denominations who hold the same view?
"The Belief in God is the motor that drove the race in Science"
does it still?
no it wasn't.
Today the belief in gods is the break that tries to hamper science. Lennox is trying to cover that up.
@@mcmanustony ĺlllp
@@benjamindaniel5229 huh?
The old joke a scientist says Hey God I'm going to make a tree. Let me go get some dirt and seed. God replied go get your own dirt.
could have beeen by a nonreligious scientist....they have the habit of cracking heavy jokes on themsleves. It helps research work can be frustrating and hardly progressive. Humor helps to live with frustration.
Jesus preached the Kingdom of God in parables.
But here on earth God’s work must truly be our own.
God has to manifest himself through the same cosmic laws that everything--and everyone--on earth has to follow.
For us to ally ourselves with Jesus in helping bring the Kingdom of God on earth, we must remember this:
Without God, we cannot.
Without us, God will not.
all Christian apologists including John Lennox needs to watch following clip :
And, let's see what is their response?
Better to watch till end :
ruclips.net/video/wBio3y0Rrbc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/hhjOnYbKJJw/видео.html
@@assertive925 Hi, I'm no apologist, but was interested in your comment so I watched your Osho video. This guy makes statesments without any proof. He is locked in his own logic and (in that vid anyway) talks superficially of something he doesn't understand.
@@ThefrenchFranz you are entitled to have your opinion.
Providing evidences to your viewpoint would have been better.
Very Good conversation. Thanks for posting.
In this world of chaos, I enjoy listening to John Lennox, because he points us to the God of creation.in a way that is refreshing and convincing.
This humble man is utterly awe inspiring. Thank you Dr. Lennox.
Brilliant. There is hope in the world to restore belief in God the Creator. I am grateful for finding this channel.
Very grateful for Professor Lennox's teachings, Dr. Ravi Zachariah's body of works, Billy Graham's sermons to hear today. Thanks be to God ✝️
1:15:48 THAT'S IT! THAT IS WHERE IT ALL STARTED! 1:16:55
All of the context(whole conversation) together is great.
Best discussion on apologetics I've listened to in a long while.
Love both of these gentlemen. God bless them🙏✨
Love the HOST!! Eric Metaxas!!
13:08 he looked annoyed lol, that look like, kid, dont interrupt adults when they are speaking...rofls!
John, just after mentioning that all schools are faith schools asks if he should tell the audience a little story about that, and I found myself at home, putting my hand up, saying, yes please!
I believe that the reason why Jesus will wipe away every tear, is not because some of our family or friends won't be there with Him, but the tears will be because we never realised what we could and should have invested in heaven, we will come to a realisation of what has been missed for all eternity, yes, missed for all eternity.
Like John, after I rise to my feet when I have finished worshipping Jesus, I will say, "Thank you." Words which sound so hollow, but which cannot convey anything greater.
Carl, just journeying through.
I love to hear John Lennox talk about creation Christianity he is great indeed he is a gem 💎
Finally another SITC and this time with the truly great Dr. John Lennox.
Oh I just love John Lennox!! I could listen to him speak for days on end. He’s my favorite debater of all time!! He’s so civilized and knowledgeable. He makes everything he talks about sound intelligent. If this great man believes in God I think that’s sufficient evidence that He might be real.
I agree with you
"Anybody who has been seriously engaged is scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith. ' It is a quality which the scientist cannot dispense with." ~ Max Planck
Planck also said.... 'the faith in miracles must yield, step by step, before the steady and firm advance of the facts of science, and its total defeat is undoubtedly a matter of time.'
@@boglerun8444 Science will never be a finished book. Any development over time reveals more and deeper difficulties
ALBERT
Eric Metaxas has a Tony Starkish captivating humor.
Haha
May God keep longer life to you sir John....
What, and deny heaven?
For him to depart is far better.
Carl, just journeying through.
Thank you for simple explanations!
Dawkins and Hitchens efforts at debating John Lennox were childlike.
@robert proctor Thanks.
John 3:19-20 the real reason people don't believe in God. They will have to face their sin. Much love brothers and sisters Jesus Christ is King
Dawkins is okay but Hitchens was really good. Now I do believe in Jesus but when Hitchens would bring up others ways of thinking helped to really make me think. Really sharpen my sword and I am thankful that he strengthened my debting skills on why I believe. Romans 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
They always were/are. It's such a shame that a generation of kids have been fooled by 'arguments' that you are supposed to learn about when you're a child. Although, you can't really blame them because they were indoctrinated from their school days onward's 33:00 & 59:00. If you watch George Galloway debating Hitchens, Galloway is much more persuasive, so Hitchens gets annoyed with the audience! How dare they not bow down to one of the new priest's...!
Mike Allison Coaching absolutely exposes the absurdity of the weak atheism arguments held on to by the most idealized “brains” in the world of higher learning!
The answer is "NO". In my case, the more I know about science (biology, chemistry, astronomy, physics, and math), the more God's sovereign I can see.
Your John Lennox and Dr. Meyer programs were excellent.and deeply reveling in subjects not generally available to Joe Sixpack.
Keep the high profile information coming to millions of us beer drinkers on RUclips. Contrary to opinions of the upper crust we have an enormous thirst for the kind of information these distinguished gentlemen share and we love to continue the conversation among ourselves. Good on you!
As Christians, we believed the ultimate Gospel which is the Resurrection of Christ, an important aspect of how death is overcome by Life.
And actually many who dont believe in Creator God i find that they still amazed me when they believe in a “non life become life” which in essence is the “resurrection” of a dead thing into a living thing...
and i find it harder to believe that, requires more faith that to believe in Jesus i would say.
Thank you Prof John Lennox. Jus love ur sharing so much. Praise God
Your puzzled by abiogenesis. A chimp is puzzled by quantum mechanics.
So, logic would suggest that when a scientist replicates abiogenesis in the lab you will throw away your religious beliefs...is that correct?
Empires, nations, armies, and Kings have throughout history tried to destroy The Lord God and His Word..They have all been destroyed, YET The Living God and His Holy Word are still Alive and Well today and forever....
Brilliant; knowledgeable; wise...but most of all, humble and believing.
Lennox's computer question is one I will be using with all my smart atheist friends.
what a total delight this was.
Love John Lennox. God bless him.
John -- well done. Thank you!
We sure do need Christian thinkers like Lennox
Absolutely Brilliant as always! 🙏🙏
Profound! I rate this interview at top of scale #1!!! I ❤️ Prof. Dr. (Sir :-!) Lennox, hah!! & Im a fan of ‘The Eric Metaxas Show’. This is what I call Real Education of which I’ve invested time, $, effort in an AA & BS. My RUclips EDU is worth far more to me than investing in 💎, gold, precious stone. Thank God for men like this. Keep it up Eric. All ears: Words, beautiful Words! Beautiful Word of God & men of Faith in Him!!! 🙏
NOT JUST IN AMERICA - we love John Lennox in Britain too !!!
Praise God for John Lennox!!!!
Of course the irony is that while atheists accuse theists of using a "god of the gaps", it is actually them that use a "science of the gaps". "We can't explain it but the answer is in science."
Because the real answer is in science, duh! :D
Kant proves beyond a shadow.of a doubt we will never solve the mysteries of universe, creation, existence. With pure reason and logic.
Or the science fiction of the gaps for atheists
@Brad Watson The “Jesus Family Tomb” is not necessarily (or even really likely to be) the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth. www.livescience.com/50434-jesus-family-tomb-geology.html This is not established as having been the same person. Note that this would not explain any of the apostles’ claims, how Jesus survived the crucifixion, why Paul converted, why the Jews claimed the disciples stole the body (instead of producing it), etc. It is at this point not at all sufficient proof that Jesus did not rise from the dead.
Zactley
Thanks. That's powerful.
I don't know this old gentleman but I can say that he seems to be a sweet soul. The host mentioned Dr. Hugh Ross. I can say that Dr. Ross is probably the expert in integrating Theology and science in the most comprehensive way.
Simply amazing. Thanks Eric & SITC for bringing this and Mr. Lennox for the insights.
In all of his "lectures" Lennox wallows in a delusion, fully convinced of his God. In his mind there is no doubt, despite no demonstrable correlation between God and reality aka the complete lack of solid evidence that would add credibility to his position. His argumentation is laughable at best. He barely distinguishes between claims and evidence and lists “personal experiences” as his final “proof” for the existence of the God he happens to believe in. The same excuse for a reason, that other believers in other Gods mumble too when asked. Maybe he is a good mathematician, I neither know nor care, his kindergarten epistemology is not better than what one would expect of a medieval peasant.
@@derhafi I appreciate your commenting Rob. But to be fair, your argument is one of the two biggest obstacles that atheists have in getting any traction with me. You said, "...despite no demonstrable correlation between God and reality aka the complete lack of solid evidence that would add credibility to his position."
Sir, that is just simply so contrary to reality it is the equivalent of a naked man standing in the street howling at the moon. It simply is not reasonable.
I can respect someone who puts up an argument that the evidence is not compelling. But when you say there is (and Lennox has) no evidence, that just goes against reality and common sense.
It always comes down to the fact that no one can PROVE God does ... or does not ... exist. A theist has staked out the affirmative and the atheist the opposite. There are factions on both sides that have their beliefs for illogical or unreasonable reasons - truth be told, I was that way in my younger years. I believed based on upbringing and emotions (and some reasons like conscience).
As I have gotten older and done considerably more research, the EVIDENCE is what has overwhelmingly convinced me.
I have not yet listed the "evidence" because you say there is none. If you are steadfast in believing that, no conversation seems productive. If you would like to discuss the evidence and share your issues with my views - and share your views. I would be open to that.
@@MiklRngr “..that is just simply so contrary to reality” Is it? Then please point me to this demonstrable correaltion.
In my experience, all believers ever manage when attempting this, are fallacious assumptions wishful thinking in the form of personal revelations and appeals to emotions….That is non-compelling evidence….…
I am talking about an actual demonstrable correaltion. Literally everything I believe to be real has to meet this threshold. No God proposition ever has achieved this. I am sure you use the same standard most of the time…Other than you I am consequential with this and don’t make exceptions for things I want to be true.
“It always comes down to the fact that no one can PROVE God does ... or does not” That puts God in the same category as magical unicorns and goblins…They have no demonstrable correaltion with reality either.
“I believed based on upbringing and emotions (and some reasons like conscience).” I suspect you still do. Well, I do not. I believe what is demonstrably part of this reality.
“As I have gotten older and done considerably more research, the EVIDENCE is what has overwhelmingly convinced me. “ Then please present this compelling evidence that convinced you that there is some ill-defined metaphysical /substance /creator/ God / entity/ force/intelligence/power/ supernatural whatever, not subject to the known laws of physics, that interacts with the fabric of our reality in ways that have thus far eluded every controlled experiment ever performed in the history of science.
Can’t wait to get my hands on it.
“I have not yet listed the "evidence" because you say there is none.” Well….I am waiting with an genuinely open mind…so please, go ahead.
@@derhafi Rob, I appreciate your long form response and will reply in kind. However, to keep things bite-sized, I will offer my insights very tightly constrained.
First, let us agree with the definitions of evidence and proof and God:
Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. To keep things simple, I think using the types of evidence used in a US Court of Law would suffice: Real Evidence (physical materials), Documentary, Demonstrative, Testimonial, Digital.
Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
God: The Creator of all things we see and do not see. He created space/time and thus is not bound by space/time. He is personal and has purpose to His choices. Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient.
Assuming we can agree on those definitions, let’s start at the beginning. In this case, the beginning of life (we can also do the very beginning of everything later). Since I am not going to use theology, we will not be looking at Jesus’s claim to be God nor “testimonial” evidence based on metaphysical claims. While this is valid, it is outside the scope of our discussion.
Ok, let us start with abiogenesis - how life began. the Bible in Genesis is clear: God created everything and there was nothing (other than Jesus and the Holy Spirt) before He created. He created everything (heavens and earth) and then created all life on earth. We can agree for our purposes that all physical matter and energy existed prior to life because science needs it to be there and the Bible says it was there. Hence, we have no conflict.
Now, you must make the first cell. I do not care how you make it, but you have to MAKE some “stuff” (being lipids, proteins, amino acids, etc.) and then have this stuff come into orderly combination and they have to then create many machines to make a cell. The living cell is the lowest form of life that can self replicate according to science. Not only does a cell have a dozen or more structures, but it has multitudes of the components in each structure. Having said that, every single structure must be organized in a very specific order to function. Mathematically, this is rarer than 1 in 10 to the 600th (plus) order of probability. If we added up every second in the last 15 billion years only 10 to the 18th seconds have passed. Anything beyond 10 to the 50th power is considered a mathematical absurdity.
I would like to point out that given sufficient absurd amounts of time and absurd opportunities, this could maybe sorta happen. However, once it does happen, everything needs to work PERFECTLY and IMMEDIATELY. Even a few seconds and the parts start to degrade and fail. A bit of oxygen or a bit of ammonia - the parts are destroyed. In other words, the chances of this happening one time are not a fair assessment. What is the chances of this happening millions of times until everything works just right. This should also be going on right now! Of course, it appears not to be, which is very curious. This is a form of the argument of irreducible complexity. You cannot simply deconstruct a living material into its component parts because the parts no longer function. Neither can they all happen at the same time because they each are complex enough they are not simple offshoots of the other components. How are these molecules made? We only have one known answer … by a mind. Dr. James Tour is the preeminent chemical engineer who has actually CREATED molecules (not life, just a molecule). And Dr. Tour has EVERYTHING he needs and a great laboratory just to make these. He mocks the concept as abiogenesis as pure folly or insanity.
This is STRONG evidence to the most plausible solution which is that a mind created life. Whatever this “mind” is seems easy to start to line up with our definition of God. This is not proof … but it is extremely strong chemistry, mathematical, biological, and logic based application of reason.
Here is an example of a machine which points to an Engineer: ruclips.net/video/WFCvkkDSfIU/видео.html
@@derhafi As a closer to my last long post, I offer this. Your comment: "In my experience, all believers ever manage when attempting this, are fallacious assumptions wishful thinking in the form of personal revelations and appeals to emotions….That is non-compelling evidence ..."
I agree, those are not sufficiently compelling for logic and reason based individuals. I hope my first foray (above) was sufficiently based ONLY on science and a reasonable application of logic based on the best possible evidence we have available.