E-Drum Noise Isolation Platform - Tutorial
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- Опубликовано: 15 янв 2017
- Video Tutorial about building a professional E-drums Noise Isolation platform with a special isolation material called Sylomer. Avoid complaining neighbours by building such a platform.
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This is an instructional video on how to build a professional noise isolation platform for e-drums. The number one problem experienced by most e-drummers is the noise caused by the kick pad, which is transferred through the pedal and the kick pad legs, directly into the floor. This low-frequency impact noise disturbs flatmates, family members and most of all neighbours. There is an isolation material called Sylomer. Sylomer is a special foam made to insulate heavy machinery, buildings or even train tracks from the ground to reduce vibration transfer.
Costs:
Carpet - 10€
Sylomer + Calculation - 165€
Boards - 65€
Tiles - 12€
Screws - 3€
Staples - 5€
Spray Adhesive - 12€
Total: 272€
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I built a platform like this one a few days ago for my expanded TD-30 kit. The biggest differences are that I'm using one solid piece of MDF, and that my throne is not on the platform to save room space. I ended up using exactly five sylomer pads from R-drums. on an MDF board measuring 182 x 90 cm The platform sits on a thin piece of carpet. I live on the 5th floor of a modern apartment block. I informed my neighbours that I would test my setup tonight at 8 PM, and asked them to listen for any noise coming through the walls/floors while I played a 4 minute metal song with double kick parts in it.
The neighbours adjacent to me heard NO low frequency noise. They heard a bit of high frequency noise bleeding through the wall, which is inevitable noise from my sticks hitting the pads/cymbals.
The neighbours below us reported a very small amount of low frequency noise, but were very positive on the results and even encouraged me to play whenever I like.
In the end, me and the neighbours agreed that I will not play after 9 PM. Other than that, I can now play whenever I like.
Thanks Vdrum Tips for the great tutorial!
Can you not use some stick silencers and sound dampening pads on the walls to stop the stick noise?
That's so sick mane, I live on the third floor and probably will have this same discussion soon...haha.
A very German way of building an isolation platform. Great job!
Hahaha, yes I know, it will probably last longer than humanity, except the carpet I guess.
@@Vdrumtips1 The Sylomer will last with full performance for at least 100 years as long as it is not overloaded or exposed to sunlight and ozone. I with as an acoustic engineer working with Getzer and Sylomer and has directed several people to watch this video as it is a great example of how you can reduce the impact of structure borne noise from drumsets. Great work!
@@Vdrumtips1 man, please, could you share the calculation sheet that you used?
Hey Vdrum! Just came here to thank you for this video, I built my own isolation platform following your tutorial rigorously and it worked out great. I used only one 104cm x 140cm x 2cm MDF board (it's enough for me and my tiny drumkit, besides my apartment isn't that big) for the platform and eleven Sylomer pads (I'm a skinny boy with a small drumset) underneath, plus another Sylomer pad that serves as a kickpad stopper between the kickpad and the wall (a good tip for those with a sliding kickpad issue I suppose, it stops the kickpad and isolates the vibrations as well).
My downstairs neighbour (a woman in her 70s) had already complained twice before I built the platform: once when I had nothing but a folded carpet as an isolation method and then again when I tried using two layers of EVA jigsaw mats underneath the carpet. None of that worked. After I watched your video and was lucky enough to find a company that sells Sylomer pads here in Brazil for a price that's almost the same as in Germany, I immediately decided to try building the platform. It's been two months now since I did so, lots of daily heavy drumming since then and not a single complaint, I met with her this week while leaving the building and asked her about the noise, she said she thought I had given up playing, that's how well it worked. I also moved the kit to another room far from where the bedrooms are in my building, I presume that probably helped as well.
Anyways, a big danke schön to you from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I don't know what I would have done without your very helpful video.
I built this same platform a week or two ago, no complaints from the downstairs neighbour. Now I can basically play whenever I want! Big thanks for the detailed building description!
Great tutorial! The level of depth and explanation you did building this is awesome!
Keep up the good work!
What a fantastic work! This should be spread around the world. Thanks for doing this.
Thanks for watching, Sylomer has to replace the tennis balls once and for all:D
I already have tennis ball platform, but the neighbout complains from time to time. will sylomer work better?
Google sheet link does not work anymore
Amazing!! Wow... very impressed with not only the design, but the quality and exhaustiveness of this video. Well done!! I hope I don't have to go this route anytime soon, but if I ever do I will definitely consult this video to build my own platform
Thank you, it was a lot of work, but it was worth it. A good route to avoid the effort are actually the Noise Eaters.
INCREDIBLE content and LOVE the voice over
Finally built my stage! I am in the middle of making a video response. That Sylomer stuff is quite amazing!
Even my neighbour is intrigued to hear it from his place!
Thanks again for all the help, advice and encouragement! (:
Jeffrey G I am looking forward to the response:) Thanks for your comment.
ruclips.net/video/mB8-B5KVPAc/видео.html
Finally got around to making the video... Thanks Again! (:
An engineer/drummer. Thanks for the vid! It's brilliant!
I find your voice very nice to listen to!
Excellent work, sir.
Thanks for a fantastic and meticulous video!
If I was to build a platform which only was supporting the E-drum kit and not the throne, would it still be effective at noise isolation?
If so, how I determine weight accounting for impact on the kick and high hat pedals?
I have a very limited area to work with.
You are a great speaker please keep it up with your own voice. Love you videos!!!
Thanks Charlie!
Thanks for sharing, buddy! I made my own platform using this fantastic video. I did it simpler: just a single piece 15mm plywood, carpet and Sylomer SR11. Works very good!
nottobey Good to hear! Do you think
that if I made a platform to the drum set, but not the throne, do you think it could work? Would the the platform wobble too much?I live in a tiny
apartment and need the extra space. Thanks in advance!
@@MysteryJeanGenie just found this one in the comments below: ruclips.net/video/mB8-B5KVPAc/видео.html
Very good job with all the information and a video which made a lot of work for sure. Nice to see something new.
Thank you, yes it was, but it was worth making it. I guess a lot of people can participate from it:)
Been waiting for this for a while! Great video! Thanks!
Sorry for the delay, the plan was to post this in December 2016, but it took me soo long mt make this one:)
Hey, thanks for the great video! I love the level of detail! Do you think this platform would work if the main noise complaint comes from the neighbors upstairs? Would you recommend putting acoustic foam on the ceiling, or would you say the main problem is vibration noise that travels through walls?
Finally! The video comes out! Can't wait to try this! Thanks a lot!
Thanks for being patient with me:)
Wow. Very thorough!
Well, yours is not bad either. I checked your video when I made my research and it is great. I like that it is so compact.
Great solution! Not sure if this was already commented on, but there is an error in the indicated 'range of working' of this product. On inquiry the 0.11N/mm2 is the maximum (not minimum) static load and 0.16N/mm2 is the maximum dynamic load. This means you can put much more to make the platform stable, without compromising the damping function. This is also demonstrated by the fluid video: the size of the pad is much larger than the weight of bowl and fluid would require to be within 0.11-0.16N/mm2. Happy drumming.
This!
The amount of Sylomer I ordered was not enough the first time because of this misleading information in the video...
Now I got some more, and I'm trying to make it work... For some reason, I haven't succeeded just yet.
I think you're right. I've just built a platform and there is a document in a spanish retailer's website whith a table with maximum loads in kg for each Sylomer model (SR11, SR16, etc). For 10 x 10 x 2,5 cm SR11 pads it's 10 kg, 16 kg for SR16 and so on. In fact, you select your pads by load when making the purchase. I'm going with 10 SR28 (25 kg max) for a 200kg total (platform + gear + myself) which gives me 50 kg of margin in case I get a heavier kit in the future.
Thanks, I was about to make a mistake! So, is there a minimum weight for each pad? If so, do you know what the minimum weight is for SR11?
@@isaacnoroncaasi AFAIK there's no minimum weight, only maximum
thank you so much for all the effort and explanations. great work and video!
sydney7887 Thank you very much.
Incredibly helpful video full of perfect craftsmanship! Do you think the adhesive spray would work as well to fix the sylomer pads on the platform, since they are so much cheaper without the adhesive layer.
Gut gemacht! Finde es echt hilfsbereit! Besten Dank! :)
Yet again coming out with a fantastic video :) That must have taken a long time to plan/film/edit. One question, where do you get the music for theses videos? Do you pay a monthly fee to a music website to get royalty free music? or do you make it yourself?
It is from the RUclips Audio Libary, just click on Video Manager, Creator Tools and Audio Libary. Every RUclipsr can use them for free and monetize the videos.
I wonder what’s the first song name
Thanks a lot for the video! I was looking for solution for my kit and this one looks very solid!
Elijah Thanks:)
Thanks for the awesome tutorial! I used it as a template to build a new platform for my E-drum :) The idea of detachable parts is really nice. However I re-used the half tennis balls from my previous platform, but instead I nailed them to the platform (so they would not move around).
sloefheld87 Nailing them is actually a great idea.
Great! I live on the 4th floor apartment and just ordered an electronic drum set (Alesis command mesh kit). My question is: Could just a platform under the kick pedal be enough? I've just practiced at a friend on a Alesis Turbo and realised that they don't make much sound the way I play them. Of course the Turbo has only a pedal, and the command has also a bass kicker thus my question about isolating just that? And because of small weight I was thinking of some disks from a fitness foam mat, or other form of foam sandwiched between two boards. Would that work?
Great work!! I have build my noise eleminator- drumriser with these Isolatortubes underneath instead of this special foam you used. They do the Job also very well. I have an extra layer noiseeleminatorplates for washing machines on top the mdf. And with some LED Stripes underneath it looks gorgeous ☺
I guess it is working too, but as I said in the video, all other materials do not come with any specs for calculations. This makes Sylomer the best in my opinion.
Fantastic video, man!
Thank you very much!
I am wondering: if money was no issue, one could make a two-levelled platform, in which the first upper one is made with sylomer-11 and the lower ones with sylomers that are made for higher pressures, so that you have a double decoupling of the vibrations made by playing your e-drums. Right?
OMG how did I not find this video sooner!!!! project room conversion under way
Thank you for the video. Just a small remark:
When figuring out, which sylomer pads you put under the podest, keep in mind that the weight is not distributed equally. The spot, where the drummer sits, carries the most weight and thus needs more or different sylomer pads.
This was accounted for in this video by calculations for pad placement he mentioned he had the solymer vendor perform for him via a software tool.
Thanks for the video. Do the pads need to be glued on the board or can the wooden board simply rest on top of the pads without any adhesive ? Will the pads work that way ? Also would two pads on top of each other work for extra reduction ?
Tried your suggestion and used Sylomer for my drum platform and it works! Great job and thanks for sharing this idea!
Where did you find the Sylomer? I can't really find a dealer in Belgium. Thx!
I’m living in Tokyo, found some Japanese company selling Sylomer products.
@@jayrose1230 hey man, do you live in an wooden apartment or mansion? Did it work? I also live in Tokyo and I'm wondering if this will help to keep my neighbor from complaining about the noise/vibration. Luckily I live on the ground floor but because of the 玄関 style, it becomes higher and more integrated with the rest of the building, therefore more susceptible to vibrations spreading throughout.
オイラー hey there, i live in a concrete-built mansion but the floor is hardwood so vibration easily travels and we sometimes hear our neighbor’s footstep upstair. Before using silomer, vibration from the bass pedals can be heard in other rooms of our house, but no noticeable vibration after using silomer.
It seems like the drummers body weight would keep this system compressed and cancel out any absorbing the foam would provide as opposed to making the platform shorter from wall so you could keep your throne/self off the platform?
This is pure awesomeness!!!
Hi and first of all grat job on this! It is awesome! I want to build one on my own exactly as yours and I was wondering: why do you need to make the hole for the nuts at a specific depth if 1) also the other side has to be pierced in order to pass the screw, 2) the nut is already held in place by the metal theet on its head ? Excuse me if I ask but in order to do the best job I can I need to have planty of informations expecially because I don't have any tool so I'll have to ask someone else to do the dirt for me :) Thank you very much in advance! Great video!
So, how well did it work? Did it stop all sound from going through the floor? Or was it only partially effective?
awesome stuff !! I need this whole isolation for my sim racing rig :) but 0.11/0.16 is not 1.45 it's 0.6875 ?
Thank you for this great video. Are the Solymer pads 12,5mm or 25mm thick?
You got my sub bro. What a great video
Hello V-Drum man, I congratulate for your precision and very nice result. I have one question, would you recommend to use this approach creating just small feet for the legs of the rack and a little platform just for the kick/pedal? I made calculation like yours and for a 18Kg rack with four legs you need to put on each a 3,4 radius circle of Sylomer and a small platform for the kick/pedal. Can I ask your comments? thank you in advance and best compliments again.
Thank you, this will come in handy for my music room project :)
Nice!
Ich bin sehr dankbar man. Du bist ein held. Echt ein gewinner.
Großartig! Habe ich - mit tollem E-Mail-Support durch Herrn Ess von der Firma Getzner - genauso gemacht und es funktioniert wunderbar!
After a lot of complaints from the downstairs neighbor on account of the key thumping/pedal kicking of my digital piano, I built a platform myself using your video and mathematical guiding. Like "hantesselaar" (see comments) I found out about Regufoam after some googling and it works amazingly well - incredible really. I spent €36 on Regufoam D300 (= 0,055N/mm²) shipping costs included. Thank you very much for your inventiveness and great video!
Where did you purchase it from and what calculations are you using?
@@jonesteves4286 Hi Jon! I really don't remember at all! I can tell you that I found out Regufoam is quite a common material in boating - used for engine noise/vibration reduction. If you google around for local boat stuff stores, you'll probably find that they'll be able to sell it to you. Watch the video again for help with the calculations, you couldn't ask for clearer instructions!
wonderful, patentable content :D, thanks for sharing !
Separate from the kick floor vibrations, I have an idea for addressing the room noise in apartment that's created by the sticks hitting the pads...
Buy four heavy duty tarps, preferably with hook eyelets built in. Cut to length to the floor if need be.
Glue sound-proof foam to the tarps. Maybe even glue more foam on the other side.
Install hooks in ceiling (or use some kind of stands if don't want hooks in ceiling), then hang the foam tarps around the kit to make four temporary walls...if foam on one side, then face the foam side towards the kit.
If you have enough space, it wouldn't necessarily need to be close in, just to catch the sounds into foam to four walls.
Even if you had a real wall behind/in from of the kit, you could still use a foam tarp so you don't have to permanently glue foam to your walls. Maybe even put kit in corner with only two fake walls in front of kid and two temporary (or permanent) foam on the corner walls.
You could probably even try a low-budget version with plastic sheeting, like from a roll of plastic drop cloth and egg cartons glued to them (or whatever) as the sound proofing. Perhaps hanging heavy blankets might kill some of the sound as well.
This is just an idea at this point, if anyone wants to add their own ideas to this.
Great job. Can you tell me which carpet model you used exactly?
Thanks! Cool and informative guide!
Thank you!
much prefer your voice. you're a very good speaker.
Thanks Jim:)
hey! Thanks for the video! Really helpful! Did you use SR11 12,5 mm or thicker?
Good job. Engineering is your first language? I could do that in a million years. Really excellent!
Yes:D Thanks
thanks for posting... really helpful...
thank you so much for this, i just might have to build one of these
Thanks for this awesome video, where did you get the sylomer foam ?
A great alternative to the tennis balls. Will Rockwool safe and sound work in a similar way?
Good job! Thanks for that!
Hey, great video! Very detailed and useful! So the neighbors doesn't complain anymore! Congratulations! Only a suggestion: Everybody will want to "feel" the results, so if you show a video before-after, it would be perfect! You will have to ask for permission to your neighbors to enter in their apartment, but its a small price to pay! And with earphones, after you record the audio, we will "feel" the results! I know this is not a technical thing, but it will be a very good practical test! Thank you!
The problem with the result is, that is cannot be shown in a video. Impact noise is almost not audible, it is really low frequency noise. I cannot even record it. The video where Roland shows the Noise Eaters shows kick noises, but they are not actually the impact noise recordings themselves.
Hey man, thanks for the tutorial! going to try to build this soon, I noticed link to the excel sheet is outdated, do you happen to still have it? :D
Would this work on wooden floors? I noticed that you have carpet below the platform.
I'm late to the party here- but do you think it's necessary that the drum throne fits on the platform? Would that have an impact on noise? Otherwise I'd just raise the height of the throne to accommodate the added height of the set on the platform. Thanks!
Nice one, thanks a lot!
Very good tutorial!! One question: when seeing your Sylomer pads (9:35) they look thicker than 2.5 cm thick. Are they 2.5 cm thick?
Cheers mate!
How good is this when you add the Roland noise eaters as well? So you’re using both the platform and the noise eaters.
excellent. thank you!
Don't worry about your voice! It sounds fine and the instructions were great. Thanks!
Thank you Rob! That means a lot. Hope it can help some people. I spend ages on making this video.
we come here for the knowledge, and you deliver every time. The voice and the accent were fine, keep making content, we all appreciate it
would you still need noise eaters if you build the sylomer platform? or would those 50mm gym rubber floors works as well?
Do the sylomer pads deteriorate after some time? I'm going to make a platform with sylomer, but i'm hesitant about putting the sylomer directly on the floor. Does it get dirty?
what a great video, thanks!
what a great comment:) thanks!
Just curious, you stated that a weight distribution under a certain amount would result in the kit would not work, so what is the amount of deviation in weight a player could have? Building one of these so both myself and my partner can use the kit, but I am wondering the weight difference that is allowed between the players themselves
Fantastic video! I have built a tennis ball platform that seems to have worked well for years, however new neighbors/floor seem to be a problem. Do you think adding sylomer pads as a base for the tennis ball riser would work well?
Just the question I ask myself.... Did you find some pertinent data about that??
you're unbelievable!!
Thanks:)
Is that OK to use platform just for drum kit and pedals placing stool on the floor? Will it still work? For sure it may be not so easy to calculate mass spread of drummer precisely - if body with stool is on the floor and just legs on pedals gives additional body weight on the platform... And the load will depence on how do you usualy play - hill-down will add more weight to platform than hill-up when legs are mostly floating...
Hast du eine dB Messung gemacht, vorher und nachher? In deinem Übungsraum und ein Stockwerk drunter und drüber?
Wenn ja, welche Werte hast du ermittelt?
I made one of these platforms for my drum kit. I got some sylomer and used the spreadsheet to calculate. Not sure how well it is working until I can get someone to listen in downstairs, but I have high hopes. Thanks man. Great video.
Now that some time has passed did it work?
Yeah, could you refer how it worked out?
I am gonna try this for my simracing rig :) awesome idea. Unfortunately I just ordered a fitnessmat. But Sylomer will be much more efficient I guess.
Yes, the fitness mat is not made for this purpose. I don't think it works.
Nice scientific approach
Great video! Very informative. One question though..
The German store you suggested in the links offers two different types of Sylomer (4x SR55 & 10x SR28) to combine together under the platform. Do you think that would work as well or should I use SR11 only like you did with yours?
someones7 Yes, you can of-course combine them or use the other foam. Only the Formular becomes more complex. I prefer the easy way and stick with one type.
Really good video 👍🏼
Can i ask you for the blue beaters ?
( Und weil mein Englisch absolut schlecht is auf Deutsch , was sind das für blaue Schlägel die du benutzt ? 😅 )
I like your voice, video is helpful too :)
Can you update the calculation link for the Sylomer foam weight? its broken.
great video!, Sylomer seems kind of expensive. are there any other good materials to use that are cheaper? I want to try and build this exact platform only replace the sylomer to decrease price
It depends where you buy it. I do not think it is that expensive for what you get. It is a professional material. The Noise Eaters would be much more expensive.
thanks for sharing this! :)
Thank you very much for this tutorial. Could you provide the source of information on the effective load range( 0.11-0.16). I found an article were it says the following
"For loads and deformations exceeding the degressive range, the deflection curve is progressive. The material becomes stiffer. As a result, reduced vibration isolation eficiency can be expected in this load range."
If I understand correctly, this means that the load should be less than the limit (
The degressive range is from 0.11 to 0.16. In that range is where the isolation is optimal. After that range (after 0.16) in where isolation degrades.
Thanks for making this video and sharing it! I am going to get my hands dirty as well and recreate the design of this platform. One thing I've been missing. What are the dimensions you've used for the central and peripheral connectors? The only data point I was able to catch was that they have a thickness of 19mm. Thanks again, this really looks great!
Don´t know, if you started building the platform yet, but my advise would be to pay attention, that the connectors are not higher than the sylomer pads. And don´t forget, that the pads are still going to be compressed. At the maximum load of 0.016N/mm^2, the pads will be compressed 25% so at 25mm original height, they can be compressed down to 18.75mm. So a 19mm connector plate would be to high. Unless you also use the small plates to stick the sylomer pads to. Than you should be fine with 19mm
Your info has been a major inspiration for a long time, and now we get to hear the "real deal". You have a fine speaking voice, tho your girlfriend sounds much cuter! LOL!
If I find folks that play e-drums, your channel is the one I recommend, no matter what brand they play, Thank You for all the hard work!
Thank you! Means a lot to us:D
Hi! I've made something similar, it feels like it vibrates more than when its directly on the floor and makes more noise. is this just because the wood is soaking up the vibrations which causes this or have I done something wrong? lol hope to hear from you.
The wood can amplify the noise if it is too thin or the wrong material. The best wood would be 19mm plywood. What have you taken?
You‘re a genious
Does it work to isolate the screams of your neighbor?
Danke schön!
Thanks for making this video! I am planning to recreate this platform for my own e-drum use. On the website you posted for buying sylomer there were options for both adhesive and non-adhesive pads. I'd like to save money and order the non-adhesive pads, but I am concerned of not being able to properly secure them. Do you know if adhesive spray or epoxy glue would work to secure the sylomer to mdf tiles, or would this interfere with their dampening properties?
That would both work, but double sided sticky tape is just as good.
Hi again! I am purchasing the materials to make my platform tomorrow. I was wondering what length machine screws you used for the 24mm platform / 19mm connectors boards. I will be using a 1" platform and 0.75" connectors and want to make sure I have the right length machine screw for it to be properly secured. I was also wondering if there is another name for the waft nuts you used to secure the machine screws... I cannot seem to find that yet in the US. I really appreciate your help!
Great job.
Robert L Thanks Robert!
I need to build one of these myself, I was looking at tennis ball riders but I have an acoustic kit, it’s fairly big and I use big cymbals and heavy DW hardware. Need to weigh and do the excel thing.
I’m struggling to find where to purchase sylomer pads such as yours in the UK though.
Edit - I think r-drums ship to the UK. Do you think this would be enough for an acoustic kit, or should I place more MDF underneath the sylomer platform with something like Auralex platfoam to reduce vibration even more?
Actually 0.011 N/mm2 is the maximum static load. For best result mass shouldn't exceed it, but it should be near it to work fine. Also it is better to use 2 layers (2x25mm) for best vibration decoupling. One layer may be not enough depending on vibration frequencies in real application.
Has anyone from the United States has a hard time ordering the sylomer? I can not read German and not sure how to complete order
Thank you for your video. What is the "podest" in the excel sheet?
Just means platform
Can you recomend an alternative to the sylomer? I'm having a difficult time finding it for north american markets.
Morgan Davidson Hi Morgan, not really, as this material is made for this purpose. I would suggest you contact the company that I linked in the video description. I am sure they will ship Sylomer to the US.