Bad Assumptions | American Airlines Flight 182/TWA Flight 37 Mid-Air Incident
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I was a passenger on AA Flight 182. I was sitting near the back on the right side on the aisle. The damage to the aircraft was to the interior and was significant. When Captain Eby essentially dove the aircraft, many of the passengers in the front half of the plane who had unbuckled their seat belts were thrown to the ceiling along with several food carts. The cabin ceiling in a DC-10 is a "drop" ceiling and the passengers and carts went through it. Many of the ceiling tiles were dislodged and were hanging down. One food cart came down in an unoccupied seat. It would have taken some time to repair the aircraft before it could be returned to service.
It must have been a horrific experience for all of you. Glad you got off that plane and reunited with your family.
@Andy Garmhausen
What did the flight crew say about the situation after the captain made the sharp dive? Did he tell you it was a near miss? Man if you were on this plane you need to do a video about it and let people ask you questions. Thanks!
All the passengers on 182 and 37 were so fortunate. Seems like miracle to me.
@@watershed44 Yes, the Captain came on the intercom several minutes after the incident and stated that what happened was "an evasive maneuver to avoid another aircraft" and that we would be landing in Detroit in about 20 minutes. We had no idea how close it was although I distinctly remember hearing a loud roar commensurate with the dive. I thought then that it was our engines. Later I began to think it was the sound from the engines of the L-1011.
@@andygarmhausen2571 well since everyone survived I would say that is a fun story...
Cool... And your underpants?
11/26/2019 - Just saw a retrospective of this near miss on TV; several former passengers and crew of that miraculous flight have kept in touch with the Captain and they all celebrated his 100th Birthday together in 2018. What a Hero! ❤️🙏🏻❤️
Great video-reconstruct of this incident. I was a passenger on this AAL flight that night (seat 2H starboard side) When the dive took place I didn't have my seat belt fastened. I flew up and hit the ceiling panels. After the plane leveled off, there was complete chaos in the cabin. Injured Flight Attendants, and passengers. Overhead luggage compartments opened up from the force of the dive, sewage from the toilets ran down the aisles and seats were bent out of place where people landed on them. For a very well researched and in depth look at the entire event, get a copy of the book titled EBY Master of the Moment, by Bert Herman also a passenger on the flight that night. Also... and call it superstition if you want to ...the Flight Number was 182 and there were exactly 182 passengers on board that night. Great video, please keep up your good work.
Thanks for sharing. What were the reactions like, AFTER the announcement was made about what caused the dive?
That definitely falls into the "Holy Crap" category.
Holy crap
No F'ING kidding!!! JUST WHAT in the hell were both of those two Flight Crews thinking? "Who's going to make the first Diversion and when"???" "Fun and games"? This is terrifying and
@@bandfromtheband9445 and....?
More like "HOLY SHIT"
@@bandfromtheband9445 flight crews had nothing to do with this mishap. I am surprised the LA bound plane didn't see the other planes lights though, since his own lights were seen by the other plane.
Again, thank you for these lesser known non fatal incidents. Fascinating. Keep up the good work my friend
Gee wiz, that L1011 is a gorgeous aircraft.
my all time favorite. a TWA L-1011 is just a pure classic.
I can see they don’t fly for commercial airline companies like TWA anymore.
Pilots loved flying it, too. Great aircraft.
L1011 be like Let’s beat up this other tri-jet
Enjoyed flying in one !!
One of my aircraft mechanic instructors told us a story from his days as a 707 flight engineer for United on cargo flights to Japan. Mid-Pacific they were talking with a sister ship on a return flight 1,000 feet higher, looking for each other, and beginning to joke about whose navigation was off when they didn't see each other. Finally a dot appeared far ahead, and suddenly a 707 flashed overhead. At a closing speed near 1,000 mph, from the time you can see an aircraft coming at you and time it arrives is next to nothing.
Hs Hs It is. 1,000’ vertical separation in RVSM airspace is now the norm, and indeed from the time you can visually acquire another aircraft moving on the opposite direction until it’s past is quite fast. It does depend on several factors (eg size of the aircraft, sun angle, presence of contrails), but in this case at night in clouds with minimal exterior lighting on the opportunity to see and avoid is minimal at best, especially for the L-1011 pilots given the AA aircraft was below them in what’s effectively a blind spot in the cockpit (and the L-1011 has excellent cockpit visibility compared to other aircraft).
@@HEDGE1011 I'm reading Ed Jablonsky's book _Flying Fortress_ now, and a favorite Luftwaffe attack angle is head-on. Even in the days of propeller aircraft, A Focke-Wulf 190 doing 400 and a B-17 doing 350 are closing at 750, not much time for either to get a shot off at the other.
@@hshs5756 Without a tailwind and a steep nose down attitude a B-17 would be hard put get anywhere near 350 mph. For most of WWII 350 mph was fighter speed, not heavy four engine bomber speed whether the bomber was cruising, or on a bomb run. But yes, you are correct about the fact that the head-on firing pass took nerves of steel and perfect timing if one was to hit the target with ones guns and not with the entire fighter plane. This tactic only became popular with the Luftwaffe because it was the only attack angle which avoided a long, slow and dangerous tail chase straight into the .50 calibers in the tail, and which placed the cockpit, wing fuel tanks, and the engines and their props and oil tanks of a B-17 or B-24 ALL in the kill zone at the same time. For a few fleeting seconds.
@@dpeasehead You're right, a B-17's top speed at 25,200 ft is only 317 mph www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/B-17/B-17.html so I should have dropped my closing speed number to 717 mph. But I doubt if anyone in that situation shooting at each other could tell the difference.
Human reaction time simply cannot react fast enough at those speeds, TCAS when used properly is a game changer it pretty much makes these situations a thing of the past thankfully.
Never heard of this one - nicely done my man!
Likewise
@Terry Hawkins why? 2nd did nothing wrong.
@Terry Hawkins
That was the 1st ATC's mistake. The 2nd ATC did nothing wrong.
I had not heard of this before. How utterly chilling and gut-wrenching! Can’t imagine what those pilots felt when they saw aircraft lights *coming at them* at eye level!
Interesting reporting on the planes’ futures after that harrowing event, too. Great job as usual, Allec!
@gomphrena -beautiful flower-
I bet both the AA pilots were in shock for weeks after this incident. I can't imagine flying and landing after such a shock.
watershed44 • Ditto. Unbelievable no one suffered a heart attack; but glad they didn’t!
@@watershed44 Might have had nightmares about it, too.
My heart skipped a beat for a second there. Well done!
after watching lots of airline crashes this one glued me to my seat. Great Job!!
Thank God for that second controller!!
Who cares?
@@K1OIK ummm.... The souls of the people on the planes possibly??
@@K1OIK are you stupid?
@@K1OIK shut
@@pedrovicnt_ what?
That was very scary. If the didn't avoid each other. Everyone on both planes would have killed. No telling how many people on the ground would have killed or injured.
Not to mention it was just a couple of days before Thanksgiving.
Hey man. I read your comment earlier about flight school. I've been watching your videos forever now and I am really happy for you. You seem very passionate about flying and I am glad that you will get to experience it! I'm sure you'll do great.
So a DC-10 vs an L-1011?
Also i can safely assume that TCAS wasn't a thing yet at the time
TheAmir259 not until after the Aeromexico crash
@TheAmir259
It was a long way off really. You have to remember too that there were a LOT less commercial planes in the air back then especially in the USA so in theory it wasn't as critical except for when it is.
No, TCAS did not happen until the 80's...
After PSA 182 mid air collision in San Diego did TCAS really be used and required
TCAS was mandated to go into operation in 1992, which it did. The technology of the time was barely adequate--early TCAS onboard computers used two 486 processors to make it happen. Also, the Mode S transponder made coordination of maneuvers between airplanes possible, but TCAS can recognize any A/C transponder and avoid those reporting altitude. If enacted today, an airborne anti-collison system would doubtless use ADS-B and GPS, but the TCAS-transponder system has proven itself effective many times. I do not think we will ever know how many incidents it has prevented.
Within 100 feet of each other but the pilots of the TWA plane never knew until they landed at LAX?
WTF?!?!?
@Hogan Savoy
Indeed, that's crazy. Perhaps the controller and supervisor believed that informing the crew would have created a lot of extra stress before completing the flight.
Yah! I mean, the L-1011 pilots could've been looking at something while the DC-10 was approaching, but then it passed within 100'... turbulence, noise, shock wave maybe? Amazing TWA's guys didn't pick up on it. Not that they were responsible for any of it...
The video didn't say anything about what caused the damage to the AA DC-10. Might have been if the AA was in a climb and caught jet blast from the L-1011? Would like to have seen it in the vid.
Both pilots of the AA flight had to buy new under drawers as the old ones were shart in!
Visibility out of the cockpit is notoriously lousy. Coupled with a closing speed of @800 mph and you have mere seconds visually acquire the conflicting traffic, evaluate the potential danger and take appropriate actuation.
The ATC tech in Cleveland should have been fired and blacklisted so they could not work in ATC ever again. ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.
More evidence of SLOPPY human error that could easily have killed over 600 people. I completely agree with you.
Debbie Kirby It says (he) multiple times, Ms. PC.
Debbie Kirby Political correctness... a cancer on our society.
Halcyon Outlander The term, “Snowflake,” was coined by those who typically abhor political correctness, so that’s an interesting choice of insult for you to use here.
Amen!! I would say that almost letting two planes collide head on just because you wanted to do other stuff or go take a #2 is more than a fireable offense! He's lucky he didn't get slapped with worse than what he got.
Nice vid, Allec! I'd never heard of this incident. Reminds me of that Japan Air one where the 747 and DC-10 almost collided. You'd think this mess-up would've gotten them to develop TCAS. Guess not. Everyone lived- that's what matters. Good job by the AA pilot to act speedily...
What did you do with the time you saved not typing eo?
They had TCAS, but the 747 TCAS commanded to climb, but ATC commanded to descend, and the pilots descended. The DC-10 TCAS commanded to descend, so the pilots descended.
@@K1OIK: Now THAT was funny! Just like the morons that type "n" for "and"..... annoys the hell out of me...
Reminds me more of the Bashkirian Airlines collision with the DHL cargo plane over Germany, where ATC let them collide, but pilots were confused between their last second ATC commands vs what TCAS was telling them to do. Had the second plane been ordered to ascend, would they have done it for sure?
@@smartysmarty1714 They try to be so cool and that their time is so much more valuable they must use abbreviations
I love that music during the post flight investigation analysis. It really evokes emotion and a sense of human fallibility.
It would be cool if somebody did a channel like yours but about ships and ship disasters.
That ATC should have been fired! Great video!👍❤️✈️
I always have my belt on unless I need a toilet break. Scary stuff.
I was on a TWA L-1011 out of STL in 1973 on the way to LA when about halfway along there was the sounds of "oohs and Ahh's" as an American DC-10 passed by us about 1 mile to our south and about 1000' higher going the other way. First time I had ever seen another airplane at cruise. Later we passed a forest fire over Arizona and the Captain pointed it out banking left so passengers got a good view and banking right to correct. He did that at least three times. Those were the good old days! I was only 10 years old and so fascinated!
As a result did the ATC have his “World’s Best Dad” coffee mug taken away or something... anything?
haha
Nope. Vacation to Florida.
Now that's funny, I tell you what.
*Seemed that this L1011 was star crossed, creepy how almost ten years later it has another incident but yet all the passengers survived in both. Miracles do happen.*
The miracle was the one done by the designers of the plane, all the lethal crashes of the TriStar I know about had been due to such a chain of errors and misbehaviours you'd say it was done on purpose, just to know how further might you've pushed it because it was too much to handle.
watershed44 the first incident was 1975 the second was 1992 so 17 years apart. Js
@Richard Speranza
Correct, I kept thinking I remember the video saying 1984...thanks.
In any case still a weird coincidence about the fact that two serious incidents happened and NO ONE was seriously injured or killed.
@TenorCantusFirmus
So you are saying that any crash of the L-1011 was the result of
flyboy or top gun antics of the pilots? wow. I suppose anything is possible though because I agree that the 1011 was probably one of the safest large commercial aviation craft ever produced until this very day!!!!!
watershed44 also extremely expensive to the point that it cost too much money for it to be a relevant airplane.
I remember when this happened. It was the Wednesday before Thanksgiving 1975.
Seeing a plane coming at me in mid air....I cannot imagine.
@Sharron Unger
Indeed, so little time to react. I'm sure the capt, F.O. saw their lives flash before them!!!!!
This was when my dad was flying DC-10s for AA but don’t recall him mentioning this - he was slightly older than this captain and flying the coveted Caribbean routes instead of coast to coast.
When I flew to the Philippines, as I was looking out the window, I saw a jet coming at us, and it was FAST. But it was definitely 1000 feet or so, below us. It's just that if it was at, or near, the same altitude as us, reaction time to evade was EXTREMELY limited. Very good video, Allec.
I’ve seen that several times while in flight. Now that there’s TCAS, it’s not as risky.
JimmyB In RVSM airspace 1,000 feet vertically is all that’s required for IFR separation. Rarely do I fly a leg that there isn’t someone crossing out with me 1000’ above or below.
"I'd check on that."
Let me grab a ruler to take the distance in inches
The other plane was at his assigned level sir. YOU were the one at the incorrect altitude. SMH
Anyone who can manage that level of understatement after such an experience has my respect!
@@allgrainbrewer10 no he wasn't lmao
The pilot's underwear did not survive.
Code Brown
@@hmshood9212: "BED PAN BED PAN BED PAN !!!"
@@smartysmarty1714 "ID LIKE TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY"
The real event of DC-10 vs L-1011
imagine liking a DC-10 over an L-1011.
Love the pfp
Another fantastic video Allec. There's another mid-air collision that's kind of gone un-noticed really. A BEA Trident collided with an Inex-Adria Aviopromet DC-9 over Yugoslavia in 1976. Be good to see that if you need any ideas for further video's
the most relieving video in this guy's channel
Can't say I was aware of this one, great video!
Exactly why the only time my seatbelt is coming off is if I’m walking to the bathroom.
What! That initial Air Traffic Controller ASSUMED that he could prevent a possible collision! The second controller's quick action was a touch of divine intervention.
I flew on the L-1011 many times as a kid and teenager. It is my favorite commercial aircraft of all time.
Beautiful and spacious too. Lots of leg room. Now we do Philly to Orlando in a boring A-319 while being slowly crushed to death and smelling the Pantene on the person in front of you.
I've been in the back of two A320's and I can confirm.
Nicely done as always. It must have been a terrifying experience!
I'm glad to see both planes avoided the mid-air crash!
Two of the most beautiful aircraft you’ll ever see.
You can't see them anymore
Goodfella.....NO....
Neither of you have any taste. Just 737/A320s and McDonalds... 🙄
@@goodfella2400 Thank you for your assumption there, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I assume (see what I did there?) You have not looked at Concorde and the V.C.10 .
@@kirilmihaylov1934 So whats that mean??? When a Rainbow disappears it isn't pretty anymore?
Another good reason to keep that seat belt on.....
It's important to note, for non-pilots? Back in that day it was before what we call "Mode-C' altitude reporting by the transponders to the ATC RADAR. Also, WAY before GPS accuracy, which includes both lateral AND vertical info. ALSO before TCAS...One more thing? Above FL 230 (or 23,000 feet) in the U.S. we operated with a minimum of 2,000 feet vertical separation, and this was accomplished by using certain altitudes, whether mostly Eastbound or Westbound. Nowadays? We comply with (because of better more accurate pitot-static systems, more modern) with 1,000 foot separation standards, EVEN when above 23,000 (FL230). Courses that are mostly Westbound use EVEN altitude numbers, Eastbound Odd numbers. This has been a tradition for decades. Private/Student pilots learn this...except when they fly VFR at lower altitudes, this is why they cruise at 500-foot intervals.
Rip Captain Eby, who died at the age of 102 in July 2021.
Very interesting & informative video! Thank you, Allec.
Unbelievable! ..Life is so very precious..So glad all survived..
Well done video ..Thank you!
Allec.. youre still uploading... man, ive watched you since i was 7 ... never thought you still uploaded, great job and, have a nice day:)
The words "Flight 182" and "mid-air incident" makes me think immediately of San Diego. RIP the victims.
On a lighter note, this video reminded me of a editorial cartoon from the early 1980s, when collision avoidance was finally getting a serious look by the aviation industry after near-misses like this one, and tragic actual collisions: passengers in the cabin are looking out their windows in terror, while one of them says "how come that flight gets steak and we only get chicken?!"
The L-1011 was evidently cursed. Considering the odds of a commercial aircraft crashing are extremely low. And this one was nearly destroyed once and finally destroyed later.
another well thought out and interesting video...I hope ypour making some money for all this hard work
Thank God the pilots and crew were so experienced
Two of the most beautiful aircraft designs ever built. Great job providing the history of each ship, post near miss.
thanks Allec for another great video. that was a pretty close call. two planes coming within 100 feet of each other.
Great work !
Very good job. What flight simulator do you use? For example, I’ll start doing crash animations in a while with X-Plane, but do you use FSX or what? Also, how did you get the L1011 to be on your route and/or viceversa. Was it multiplayer or something? Anyway, whilst I don’t really like the simulator’s cockpit design, I have to say you edit very well 👏 good job 👍!
Awesome Allec!👍👍
Thanks, Josh.
You know what they say about ASS-U-ME ... and that would have been a collision over downriver Detroit, a heavily populated area. Damn, I shudder to think ... 😱
Like 2X that Bronx crash.
I think both planes would be vaporized. The only thing people on the ground would see is little pieces fluttering to the ground.
@@Steve197201 JET FUEL CANT MELT STEEL ENGINES
facepalm
good one, Allec.
Another great video, Allec!
8:15 Air Force One! (the old one, anyway)
Wow, that was frightening. Never assume.
Talk about a close call. 😳
Imagine if both of the planes pitched downwards to avoid it
Great Channel 🖒
I often wonder how many times near misses occur and how many go unreported. About six years ago I was on an Aer Lingus flight from Dublin to Berlin and while idly looking out the window somewhere over Europe I saw a speck approach and in a flash another aircraft had passed beneath us . I’m fairly good with distance and I’m guessing we were separated by about 200 feet , I was able to see the pilot for a nano second as he passed beneath. I gave an involuntary gasp as the two aircraft passed and the guys in the seats in front of me and behind me asked if I had seen what they had as they too believed we’d had a near miss . I didn’t say anything to any cabin crew as they were busy and most likely would have been unaware of anything untoward and so I just left it . For months afterwards I searched the CAA website for reports of near misses involving my flight but found nothing , however, I was slightly perturbed by the number of actual reported near misses involving other flights.
Ibay is the master!!
This was great! No one hurt and a complete ending. Excellent!
31 injuries including all 10 flight attendants.
It's good that only the pilot of one plane reacted, had both pilots reacted in the same manner i.e pushing the yokes in same direction, i think a mid air collision would have occured.
It would have been pretty much like the Überlingen collision in 2002 if you ask me.
at 4:25 I think my heart stopped for a moment
I am so glad that everybody survived
Me too!
THANK GOD BOTH SISTERS AVOIDED MID AIR COLLISION AND THX 4 POSTING !
had to go to comment section to find out about the damage and injury details from what i assume was the swift descent. no mention in the video captions. thanks andy g.
4:27 they look great together
I remember when I was a kid back in the 90's I was sleeping on the floor and some other aeroplane flew over us, we heard it ..
I wonder what stories the aircraft we fly on have to tell...
I feel like the music is very effective in these videos . So weird how the L1011 was destroyed in an accident years later.
Great vlog as always! Have you done the BEA Trident and Adria DC-9 over Yugoslavia in 1974? There was a movie made. I have seen it here on YT.
Can you insert the actual
ATC recordings in these? When we hear the voices it makes it much better imo. You do make great videos, adding the actual
Conversation would make them superb!
I do not think it is digitally recorded, or even recorded at all anywhere today (recording was much harder back then)
You have to remember that for some crashes and incidents the cvr are not released to the public domain.
fai_f I understand that. I’m only asking for when they’re available to insert them.
Hi Allec. Another white knuckled, edge of the seat, didn't see that one coming, both literally and figuratively! Excellent vid. Well done!
Greetings from South Africa 👋🇿🇦
What did you do with the time you saved not typing eo?
Another 4 year old comment.. with a person nitpicking about there being no “eo” in “vid”. Seriously, why the fuck.
8:06 what the heck did Raytheon do to this bird?
I know what the hell was that
@@roblaa3198 www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/wasp.htm "Widebody Airborne Sensor Platform (WASP) is an airborne system housed in a modified DC-10. It has ultra high frequency satellite communication and performs target acquisition and tracking." Pretty sure this is what they were doing
Morgan Brown Yowsa!!
Considering it was a DC-10, I'm surprised the plane didn't somehow ignore the captian's inputs and then crash right into the TWA plane.
Thank god that everyone on board American flight 182 and TWA flight 37 survived. If the American DC-10 pilot's didn't respond when they saw a L-1011 in front of their own eyes. It would be a huge mid-air disaster and everyone on board and including TWA flight 37 perished. It was one of the earliest mid-air incidents way before 2002 Uberlingen Mid-Air Collision that everyone on board perished.
Neil Herrera it was actually the ATC who first saw the two planes approaching each other and ordered AA182 to lower the aircraft to 330.
Richard Speranza while the TWA also decided to descend.
My 5th grade teacher always said “When you assume, you make an ‘ass’ of ‘u’ and ‘me’”. I have always tried to life my life by that truth. True in 1974, true today
Another way of putting it is 'Assumption is the mother of all f**kups!'
Brilliant, I like it, Politicians are full of Assumptions, Remember that at your next election program
Phew! So thankful these two planes didn't collide! That was scary just watching it all these years later.
What is really interesting about these two aircraft is the were the first of the wide bodied type and were in direct competition for the same market.
Captain Guy Eby passed away on July 30, 2021 at an amazing age of 102
close one all survived - i like these - better than total hull and human loss
A medal of Freedom for the 2nd controller!
Pardon my ignorance but what is that brown section on the fuselage at 8:06?
Legend has it that controller, after this incident, went on to keep screwing up orders in the McDonald's drive thru.
I like the way this guy shows the biography of the actual aircraft. When she was born, how she lived and how she retired or in this case died. The crawl went too fast to read what happened to the ATC . I think I would have fired him and or made him relearn it properly. I'm gathering he was a bit beyond it though, he assumed too much and too 9ften. It's always in the ' great assumption ' when things go badly wrong. I'm amazed at how many people do it! In every seminar or course on how to do business you're cautioned strongly against assuming. It's just so stupid.
82ND AIRBORNE
Thank you Joshua!!
This is a 2 jumbo trijet near collision in mid-air 2 plane was just 3 year-old
Exactly why I don't fly anymore. You just never know 😔
I know exactly what you mean, I flew on several military aircraft, while in the army , however I'm scared to death to fly on a civilian airliner, so I don't fly either.
The aircraft "boneyard" mentioned in this video is Davis-Monthan AFB.
Yes, that's what it said in the video. Well done.
@@Catcrumbs : The video referred to the AFB as "David-Motham", not Davis-Monthan. "Well done."
I miss the old American Airlines livery
Passengers in both planes survived, the DC-10 lives until it scrapped and the L-1011 was destroyed :(
And a Norwegian Airlines advertisement. Wonderful.
Both pilots in the two aircraft desired to be honored for the spectacular job they did, especially considering the lack of information from ATC. My eye caught the name of the base the aircraft registered as N910SF was stored at, David-Montham. Because of living in Tucson, Arizona, since 1972, I am guessing the correct name is Davis-Monthan AFB.
A DC-10 incident that WASN'T the Aircraft's fault!!! 😲
Seriously, outstanding Airmanship by that Crew! That's the kind of seat-of-the-pants Flying that's too rare in the Fly by the book ONLY that many Pilots rely on.
Looks like it was parked at Davis-Monthan next to what appears to be a presidential VC-137C/SAM2700. I wonder who flew on it. This incident was a miracle.
Human error, the two most frightening words in commercial aviation. The controller who almost sent over 300 people to a horrible death probably wasn't fired because of a strong labor union that President Reagan would later destroy. I used to love the livery of TWA at that time, especially on that plane. Classic. Great video as usual!