Unusual Nazi Aircraft And Other Bold Aviation Concepts. The Dornier Do. 335, Blohm & Voss Bv P.163
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2023
- Some of the most unusual German aircraft of World War 2, such as the Dornier Do 335 Pfeil (Arrow), or the Blohm & Voss Bv P.163, and the American Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster.
The Do 335 was a heavy fighter built by Dornier for Germany during World War II. The two-seater trainer version was called Ameisenbär ("anteater"). The Pfeil's performance was predicted to be better than other twin-engine designs due to its unique push-pull configuration and the lower aerodynamic drag of the in-line alignment of the two engines. It was Nazi Germany's fastest piston-engined aircraft of World War II. The Luftwaffe was desperate to get the design into operational use, but delays in engine deliveries meant that only a handful were delivered before the war ended.
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 13.85 m (45 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 13.8 m (45 ft 3 in)
Height: 5 m (16 ft 5 in)
Wing area: 38.5 m2 (414 sq ft)
Airfoil: root: NACA 23018-630; tip: NACA 23012-635
Empty weight: 7,260 kg (16,006 lb)
Gross weight: 9,600 kg (21,164 lb)
A-6 10,085 kg (22,234 lb)
Fuel capacity: 1,230 L (320 US gal; 270 imp gal) main fuel tank (single-seat) with various extra tankage in the weapons bay and wings, depending on the variant
Powerplant: 2 × Daimler-Benz DB 603E-1 V-12 inverted liquid-cooled piston engines, 1,342 kW (1,800 hp) each for take-off
1,417 kW (1,900 hp) at 1,800 m (5,900 ft)
Propellers: 3-bladed VDM, 3.5 m (11 ft 6 in) diameter constant-speed tractor and pusher propellers
Performance
Maximum speed: 763 km/h (474 mph, 412 kn) at 6,500 m (21,300 ft)
A-6 690 km/h (430 mph; 370 kn) at 5,300 m (17,400 ft)
Cruise speed: 685 km/h (426 mph, 370 kn) at 7,200 m (23,600 ft)
Economical cruise speed: 452 km/h (281 mph; 244 kn) at 6,000 m (20,000 ft)
Range: 1,395 km (867 mi, 753 nmi) on full internal fuel at max. continuous power
2,060 km (1,280 mi; 1,110 nmi) at economical cruise power
Service ceiling: 11,400 m (37,400 ft)
Time to altitude: 1,000 m (3,300 ft) in 55 seconds; 8,000 m (26,000 ft) in 14 minutes 30 seconds
Armament
Guns: 1 × engine mounted 30 mm (1.18 in) MK 103 cannon with 70 rounds plus 2 × 20 mm (0.79 in) MG 151/20 cowl-mount, synchronized autocannon with 200 rpg
Bombs: Up to 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) bombload in internal weapons bay and two underwing pylons
The Blohm & Voss P 163 was a design project for an unconventional bomber during World War II. Constructed mainly from steel, its crew were accommodated in large wingtip nacelles, giving it a triple-fuselage appearance. Its propeller drive system was also unusual, with the central fuselage containing twin engines coupled to a front-mounted contra-prop.
The P 163 was one of several highly unusual bomber configurations studied by the Blohm & Voss aircraft division under Chief Designer Richard Vogt. It was developed in response to a 1942 Luftwaffe requirement for a Heinkel He 111 replacement.
The Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster was an experimental bomber aircraft, designed for a high top speed. The unconventional approach was to mount the two engines within the fuselage driving a pair of contra-rotating propellers mounted at the tail in a pusher configuration, leaving the wing and fuselage clean and free of drag-inducing protrusions.
Two prototype aircraft were built, but the end of World War II changed priorities and the advent of the jet engine gave an alternative way toward achieving high speed.
Various offensive bomb loads were considered, between 2,000 kilograms (4,400 lb) and 2,500 kilograms (5,500 lb). Large bombs would be recessed into the fuselage, while multiple smaller bombs would be carried under the wing, inboard the undercarriage.
General characteristics
Crew: 4
Length: 15.15 m (49 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 20.73 m (68 ft 0 in)
Height: 3.6 m (11 ft 10 in)
Wing area: 55.30 m2 (595.2 sq ft)
Empty weight: 9,400 kg (20,723 lb)
Gross weight: 15,200 kg (33,510 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Daimler-Benz DB 613C 24-cyl. liquid-cooled twin inline piston engine, 2,833 kW (3,799 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 510 km/h (320 mph, 280 kn) at 7,000 meters (23,000 ft)
Range: 2,500 km (1,600 mi, 1,300 nmi)
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
Wing loading: 275 kg/m2 (56 lb/sq ft)
Armament
Guns: multiple MG 151 installations
Bombs: 2,000 kg
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If BV could get any weirder, they never hid it.
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The Bismarck Battle ship was the pinnacle of Blohm & Voss craft! And then way off into the wild blue yonder on the aircraft side!
May have offered inspiration for some Star Wars ships, Millennium Falcon e.g., George Lucas borrowed the dogfight footage of that era.
Looks like a b wing
The right machines, in the wrong hands...(my humble point of view)...
That old pilot is a contender for the real-life 'Most Interesting Man in the World'. Imagine having just 10% of his experiences.
Well said. Here is a playlist with his videos: ruclips.net/video/PSRAdZzRycc/видео.html By the way, his name is Eric "Winkle" Brown and he is the pilot that flew most planes in history 🙂
Brown hailed from Leith, the harbour district of Edinburgh, Scotland. There's a statue of him at Edinburgh airport. Personally, I thought that the statue should be in Leith, and a bit bigger than it is.
@@ianmcsherry5254 well said!
@@Dronescapes Mr Brown seems to hold the record for most types of aircraft flown. few types of the time he did not fly.
13:10 Captain Eric "Winkle" Brown, Royal Navy. Badass and crazy man. Voluntarily flew a Me 163.
👍👍 did you watch his bio documentary on the channel? ruclips.net/video/PSRAdZzRycc/видео.html
Just to find out...
Regardless of who made the aircraft, If it flew during WWII, Captain Brown probably tested one.
@@Dronescapes I think I saw something that the BBC produced, but I'll watch yours too. Thanks!
Wouldn't you? If you had the chance to fly something completely off the chart compared to the piston engine weapons you were used, you would definitely say yes...I sure as hell would.
Mr Brown's stories are just fantastic. Flying around Germany doing almost what he wanted to do What a job.
More to come soon 👍❤️
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@@Paiadakine did you already watch his documentary we have on the channel? The Pilot Who Flew 487 Different Aircraft & Landed 2,271 Times On A Carrier! Eric "Winkle" Brown
ruclips.net/video/PSRAdZzRycc/видео.html
I would not miss: Jet Man | Frank Whittle The Turbojet Pioneer And Genius Of The Jet Revolution | Full Documentary
ruclips.net/video/G0T4-XG612Q/видео.html
It is not about his, but he is also in it and the story is pretty amazing
@@Dronescapes yes I did. Great documentary.
He’s very good value to listen to.
Those interviews must have been done at least 20 years ago. Wow! It is, was and will be SO important to record the actual people that were there while we still had them! God bess them all.
Blohm und Voss makes very cool Aircraft designs
I swear “Secret Weapons Over Normandy” and “Blazing Angels 2” is right up their alley.
Another good video , I enjoyed Eric's story about his search for the Bv 141 and learning about the strange looking Bv 163.
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@@Dronescapes you're welcome DroneScapes
The reason the BV-141 was not accepted was not because it was unconventional, but because it used the much sought after BMW 801 engine also used by the FW-190.
The FW-189 used the Argus AS-410 and had two of them, that also counted in its favour when operating deep into enemy territory.
And beeing the AS 410 12 pistons inverted V aircooled engine.
It's all about "Research & Design", not all designs are going to work, but the Original Design may allow better design in the future.
Personally, I think it would be interesting to see some of these designs computer simulated, to see if some of these weird ideas could have actually worked.
looks like a spaceship from Star Wars ) so many original designs in that era, mind blowing
It's the other way around - George Lucas found inspiration in German ww2 designs ;)
20:20 Those color movies of the Ar- 234 jet bomber are fantastic, the close up of the engine!
Excellent movie that covers much more than what the you tube title implies!
The interviews with the men that flew these planes are assume
Thank You!
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Just when I think I know German WW2 aircraft, a new one appears I have never seen.
Don't worry. You are not alone. Even the Luftwaffe were kept in the dark about new developments. The total crew on the Horten project was under 250, and leaking even to the local community was a capital offense.
Me two
You have to admire some of the ingenuity , of some of the German Aircraft , that could've made it during the Second World War . Fascinating
The *_Dornier Do 335_* was nothing more than a copy of the Dutch *_Fokker D.XXIII_* and/or the Hungarian *_Marton X/V._*
If they'd concentrated on mass producing fewer designs, they might have done better.
Natural narration; easy to listen to.
Flying an aircraft from a wingtip cockpit would’ve been like the World’s wildest rollercoaster ride!
Reminds me of a certain Star Wars ship design. 😉
Great little documentary. Anything with Eric Brown is always fascinating.
I wonder, any more Eric Brown is appreciated when he talks about all the types he flew, but are there any resources on a USA, Japanese or German equivalents to Eric Brown?
I know the Germans had a touring "circus" of captured allied aircraft and there was even a Spitfire with an BF109 engine in it...
Only an engineer could think a cockpit on the wingtip is a good idea and is someone who never had to circle to land in low cloud. In fact, you pretty much can only circle in one direction and see anything.
Just imagine being a ww2 test pilot, especially getting into your enemies' aeroplanes..
Eric Brown could read German cockpit instructions at the start of WWII. By the end, things were much different but his Germam had hardly changed. Imagine getting into an airplane with only the vaguest idea what the duals and meters meant... Then flying a textbook routine with a perfect landing. German pilots watching him tearing the arse off a Me 163 were aghast that he had survived something that had killed so many of their comrades.
B42 that's one on this old airman. My Base Comander had a Martin B-50 on his desk. Thanks for the upgrade.
19:01 - four-engine Ar-234 in hanger at right...
Keep finding the BEST odd acft!!! Epic content.
Very nice program you made here, thank you.
Glad you like it!
Super good and original loved the content!
Thanks a ton!
Whoever did the surface texture on the Do. 335 CGI model... these weren't ships with thick, pitted and corroded iron plates, they were airplanes with a much smoother skin. Steampunk doesn't work on aircraft.
Yes, visually the only difference between steel and aluminum aircraft skin would be that steel might be shinier, if left unpainted.
What an incredibly advanced and innovative people the Germans are
Granted, but they never overlook a chance to majorly over-engineer
something.
Were.
The Germans invaded their neighbours, murdered millions and were out-produced from the beginning until the end by the British whose designs were actually more advanced, more innovative and (unlike the German projects) actually worked.
Apart from that, the Germans were great.
Yeah they tried to save the world,the bad guys wrote your history books
@@bobhope5471 A school instruction prescribed by the Allies actually makes the youth dumb down
Another inspiration for crimson Skies style aircraft
Extremely interesting history. Thank you for the video.
Our pleasure!
I've seen a lot of Luftwaffe prototypes, this one takes the cake for being the strangest concept ever..
Wow! What a lucky guy. He does a great job of presentation. I'll watch this again.
We have quite a few videos with him: ruclips.net/video/PSRAdZzRycc/видео.html
That B&V is a pretty cool craft
@Dronescapes What’s the name of the background music at 9:50? Shazam is giving me results that don’t match.
Otherwise, enjoyed the content
If I ever opened a florist shop I would call it Bloom And Vase.😊💐
British?
For those that might might be interested; the panes of viewing materials in the German aircraft, is likely the mineral, mica. The Allies used plastics, acrylics? Something like that. I had taken an intro course or two on polymers, back in the day. And there you go? In a manner of speaking. Military often lead the development of new materials, given a historical viewpoint.
Ahh Germans invented bakelite
Do 335 is my fav plane :P
Its a faster copy of the Fokker D23 that the germans capture in 1940 invasion of the Netherlands
I have a plastic kit of it - Do 335 Pfeil - that I bought missed some parts but I'll attempt to mount them
Got one at Smithsonian #2 in VA. BIG plane.
Nothing like a ship yard designing aircraft. Love it.
Hilarious.
Para innovación el B-29 con ordenador, piloto automático un sistema para bombardear que ha perdurado hasta Vietnam, radar avanzado a bordo no dejaron ni un avión alemán ni japonés, también el P-38 o el P-51 absoluto dominio aéreo en la 2GM.
The F-89 Scorpion's tip "pods" were actually tip tanks carrying fuel in the rear half, and the rockets (later Falcon missiles) in the front half.
Early American jets like the Scorpion were designed more for reaching high altitude quickly to shoot down enemy bombers than they were for dog fighting. Shooting bombers down is what those unguided rockets were for. I read somewhere from a co-pilot that the Scorpion had a structural beam for the wings going across the rear cockpits floor to add structural strength that the rear pilot had to rest his feet on lol.
LUFTWAFFE: "We need fighters and bombers immediately or we'll lose the war".
DESIGNERS: "We'll create aircraft which will take five years to design, two years to test-fly, another two years to put into production and which require unique spare parts which don't match anything else in service. And the designs will be so insane, they won't fly properly anyway. Expect these aircraft to be ready for service sometime in 1956. That'll be OK, right?"
Not entirely true. LUFTWAFFE did from about mid
1944 concentrate on standard mass-produced types:
ME109G, JU88/188, FW190/TA152H, and some exceptional designs way ahead of their days, such as ME262, DO335, Arado 234 and others.
@@beachmountain8834, not really. The *_Dornier Do 335_* was nothing more than a copy of the Dutch *_Fokker D.XXIII_* and/or the Hungarian *_Marton X/V._* The other nations had several jets under test. The *_Metropolitan-Vickers F.2_* for example was the British early turbojet engine that was significantly better than the German _Jumos_ engines. The *_Gloster E.28/39's_* first flight took place more than a year before the first German jets started serial production.
The only difference between the Germans and the Allies was that the Allies weren't as desperate and therefore didn't have to throw immature prototypes into battle (and the German propaganda machine was much better).
@@doofkos The difference is the germans have always been better engineers.
@@miskatonic6210 They certainly managed to engineer two thorough defeats in three decades.
The more I learn about BV, the more convinced I am that they were the corporeal manifestation of the phrase “weird flex, but ok.”
nice mandela effect
Basically a Star Wars Cloud Car!!
One important detail is missing. The Do-335 would eventually have had a turbojet in place of the rear DB-602. So, in essence, it was essentially a much smaller fighter version of the B-36 Peacemaker. Unfortunately, Germany lost the war before the Arado jet variant could be fully developed and tested, and either the existing airframes were captured or scuttled.
"- Unfortunately, Germany lost the war before the Arado jet variant could be fully developed and tested..."
Unfortunately?
Germany's war of aggression, which violated international law, brought death and suffering to Europe, about 60 million people died. Even today, we should be grateful to the Allies that they succeeded in defeating Germany in 1945. It was fortunate that the German technicians did not have enough time to develop further highly effective weapons systems.
Wëhräböös fantasise about getting to run a big extermination camp.
Hafensanger It isn't funny but your "unfortunately" had me smiling for a while
Vogel does sound Deutsche
@@hafensanger0821 unfortunately for birds enthusiasts like us 😇
Love BV.
The Douglas aircraft was called the MIX MASTER, NOT MIXED MASTER.
If it weren't for radar, the enigma machine, and relentless strategic bombing, thing would be way different today! Luck played a huge part in our victory!
And a lunatic in charge of the Armed Forces invading the Soviet Union. Relying on slave labour. Keeping women out of war production. A multitude of over engineered weapons etc....Yeah, a close run thing. 😂
The Germans simply didn't have the resources (metals, synthetics, oil, fuel, pilots, etc.) to carry on years of war. Had the insane little paper hanger listened to his generals and waited til 1946 to start the war, they'd have lasted longer, but still would have lost.
Hitler had no surface navy he couldn't have won.
Very well done.
I built an a Airfix model of the Blohm and Voss, sriking design.
Looks like a Star Wars fighter!
Indeed
The luftwaffe could have been the best airfleet a contry could have if it had good leaders leading it , Germany had the morphinist Hermann Goering and he had not good leadership abbilityes rather the opposite . Luftwaffe started the ww2 with almost the same planes they started and ended with, Me-109 Junkers-88 Me-110 and the New jet planes was new ofcourse , it never build 4 engine bombers in any large scale and as the Heinkel - 177 the 4 engines was working as a 4-2 output , at some point they were called the flying coffin because its tendensy to go up in flames , but with the bad managing of new planes and the individual compition the companys against all the rest and Opera - general Hermann and his system of bribe which made the procedings diffucult , at the Junkers -86 there were also problems with the engines getting hot and the Swedish Airforce had to consult Saab to cure this problem on the planes they bought of germany - the swedes also flew Junkers Ju-90 with same problem , the german aircraft industri during ww 2 was restrained in many ways and yet smart enough to go the jet-engine way although they lacked high grade steel components making the Juno and BMW jet engines with ekstrem short working lenght - around 25 hours and the unit had to be replaced , not good at all when you take your Messerschmidt Me-262 into the flight not knowing if the engine would blow up - the german pilots had good nerves or what
That's interesting about those planes of the Luftwaffe all prop driven aircraft. The Luftwaffe was so desperate for all those planes aircraft. Look at the swastikas on the tails.
Here is where Hitler lost all contact with reality. His concept of a superweapon deciding the outcome of a war has lasted to our days. WW2 and the Soviet Union proved a war can be fought in many ways. And Germany's submitted to an attrition war was elemental to its defeat.
Interessantissimo
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It would seem that air sickness would be amplified (the pilot/gunners not on roll axis).
_To counteract this, our Lord especially created dimenhydrinate _*_. . ._* *;-)*
what about inertia of those gondolas, maneuverability would by abismal.
Good video, where is that museum please ?
Does Mr brown have a biography? I love to listen to this man tell me about his life.
Very, VERY good vid. Thank you.
The F-82 Twin Mustang proved the off center cockpit was completely feasible.
In the research for the P82 Twin Mustang. North American pulled the turbo from one side of a P38. They then put a seat with a canopy in its place. The NA Engineers found out the offset cockpit didn't bother anyone.
Curious if an inline puller/pusher design like the arrow, would give it more umphh
There's been a lot of research on the push-pull design. Around 70% of the extra shove is wasted. It's actually less efficient than having wing-mounted engines. That's why, in nearly 80 years since the Dornier design, scarcely any other push-pull aircraft have ever been flown.
Also pusher engines tended to have cooling issues.
Some Hungarian Fw-189 pilots made fool of Russian fighter pilots using the Owls low handling characteristics very skillfully.
Name/source please?
@@aiugiamos3057 I read it decades ago. It was either in Tibor Tobak's autobiography or in the local (and than only) aircraft/military magazine called "Top Gun".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibor_Tobak
Could you do BV P170, as I have a model of this, and it is very strange
Thats the three-engined heavy fighter, right?
I understand now where G.Lucas found inspiration for all bizarre spaceships in Star Wars.
VERY COOL VIDEO!!!!
Thanks!!
If you get a chance, check out the Do335 at the Air & Space Museum #2 in Virginia....big son of a gun, about the size of a B-25.
How did you access aerocinema stuff???
Didn't their website went bust?
We licensed their content, as one of our partners knows the owner very well.
@@Dronescapes that's great!
The weight on the wingtips would mess up handling. Fighters dumped wingtip tanks before a dogfight for that very reason.
Great documentary! Where is the museum that we see starting at 13:17 - and what is the name of the British pilot narrating? Cheers
His name is Eric “Winkle” Brown. We have a playlist with him on the channel and a few videos, including his biography
@@Dronescapes Thanks, I thought I had heard of him before, incredible pilot. Do you know where that museum is located?
8:35 how is that possible🤯? Im refuse to accept that))
most of the German scientists were looking forward after the end of hostilities so they wanted to prove their ingenuity in order to secure their professional involvement in future projects which it was proven right
is this not a B-wing turned on its side?
At least we know where the b-wing came from.
Vogt's descendent was the designer, of course! 😄
As a german engineer I would have invented anything, not to serve as Kanonfutter at the "Volkssturm" but to go to the drawing board
The only reason maybe
Had any one built a small model of this yet
Hoooly crap I want to make a flying model of the p.163!!!
Please do and share the result!
8:10 anyone know this gentleman's name?
These planes wouldn’t look out of place in a fantasy universe with orcs and elves honestly I can see the p163 being something an elven race would make
That’s only because the renderings made the steel look heavy and thick and hand forged. In reality it would look the same as aluminum.
Millennium Falcon has a side cockpit also.
A 5:10 or so you said the "war was not going well". Not well for who?
The arrow reminds me of the U.S. Acender fighter.
The Dornier I understand, but I would love to know what the rationale for the BV was?
Did you listen?
I had a model of the 141 as a kid,but no longer,even though I still have others that I built then.It likely was destroyed by accident or thrown away in a move.
Invited?
Oh, you mean kidnapped in paperclip
having wing tip crew positions is an awful idea. you might be slightly better off in some turbulence conditions but you could be made sick during normal operations just by banking and changing dircection. having positions that increase the g felt lol
They were experimenting back then…
@@Dronescapes certainly were but where as the BV 141 was a good idea with some trade offs the P.163 is an awful idea with really bad trade offs. extra drag from the pods alone probably would have stopped it from being considered for construction.
then you got how much wing strengthening would be needed. is the horizontal stabilizer large enough to cope with losing a pod in combat.
He stated being on the wingtip was actually a smoother ride than in the fuselage
Like Flying the Millenium Falcon
This would lead to the yt-1300 freighter.
and the B-wing...
FW 189 a plane like we have never seen before, amazing, two engines two booms central cockpit on the wing. Yeah that's amazing. Course the Americans could not come up with anything like that a year before right?
This applies to many aircraft. The *_Dornier Do 335_* was nothing more than a copy of the Dutch *_Fokker D.XXIII_* and/or the Hungarian *_Marton X/V._* There were many Allies jets in testing like the *_Gloster E.28/39,_* the *_De Havilland DH.100/113/115 Vampire_* or the more famouse *_Gloster Meteor._* The _real_ difference between the Germans and the Allies was that the Allies weren't as desperate and therefore didn't have to throw immature prototypes into battle
@@doofkosIf an aircraft follows the same basic design features, doesn't necessarily mean it was a copy. I mean all planes got wings, most have 1 tail boom, does it make all of them copies of Lilienthal's glyder?
The P-38, I guess that's what you're referring to, had a completely different purpose than the FW189. The latter was an exceptional reconnaissance plane of its time. It never was a fighter aircraft.
@@doofkosthe allies tranformed laundry machines industries in aircraft ones, germans simply used the various aircraft industries and their engineering and design crews a sort of projects them developed in real prototypes ' till the has gone...
Was the BV 163 named the owl
So was the Heinkel He-219 night-fighter.
Invited (paperclip)
Equal to a Ju88, a pre-war design, isn't exactly a glowing recommendation.
Aloominum? Surely it's pronounced as it's spelt, Aluminium? Still this is an interesting video. Thank you.
Image the vomit capabilities of wingtip pilot position.
Battery operating robot pilots (with AI) does not vomit.
_To counteract this, our Lord created dimenhydrinate _*_. . ._* *;-)*
Было построено 65 самолетов. В воздухе был потерян один самолет. 65 ем в час, две нушки 30 мм и 2 20мм. И 4 пушки по 30 мм
Damn, didn't know the B-Wing was inspired by a German concept. Guess I gotta cancel that now too.
German not Nazi. German !
New thing now is deutchen 👈🏻no German
20:11 Total scrap life of 25 Hours???? Did I hear that right?
Yes
Amazing.....
Thanks a lot 😊
it served its purpose ... he said a hundered times
That Northrop Scorpion at 7:17 was for all practical purposes a piece of junk! All it had for armament were 2.75 rockets on each wing pod and that was it! One day in the 1950s they had a remotely piloted military drone that went rogue flying over Southern California including many of the major cities. The California air guard dispatched several F-89s to shoot it down. Several scorpions fired salvo after salvo of rockets missing the darn thing every time! Fortunately, that drone eventually ran out of fuel and crashed in an uninhabited area.