I've never heard Mark get this flustered. His voice really got up there and that's how you know he means business. He's not sounding angry, just intense. Like a big old pink lobster boiling in a pot!
Well, how do you justify Rip advocating a belly then? I like SS and I've for sure learnt a lot and benefited greatly from their content, but let's not be dogmatic. Waist circumference and visceral fat might be the two best indicators for disease.
@Charles haha are you kidding me?! Powerlifting is UNBELIEVABLY FUN to me!!! You ever stepped inside of a gym where you are the strongest guy in? Whether in a commercial gym or in a powerlifting gym, whatever, it feels good. And boy, does it kill anxiety!!! When you get strong, if ever, at powerlifting, you'll know what it feels like...
Some people need the motivation of competing in order to stick with it. Just as muscle mass comes as a side benefit to loading movement patterns, health and quality of life can be side benefits of working to compete in powerlifting.
To add to this: if yall aren't familiar with Matt Weinings recent comment of the young person who just resently passed away while squatting, Mat Weining just said: he should have been using "the matt weining" belt squat to prevent his death.
I was finally able to get the bar into the low bar squat position after a about a year(68 year old shoulders). I can use my hips more, squat more weight and have better balance. Not wasting energy trying to balance.
Respect. As a high bar squatter who is also a personal trainer, I often find myself teaching my clients low bar because it's easier for them right off the bat than high bar. It's about finding what works for an individual
I don't know why that's so hard for people to understand. If you want to become an elite powerlifter then Marty Gallagher would be a much better choice than Starting Strength.
I never understand this argument. Aside from the press, 'making people generally strong' is the same thing as powerlifting, because the squat, bench, and dead are to be progressed to build strength. Ripp just doesn't want to be compared to actually successful coaches like Sheiko, Wendler, or Nuckols. That's where the vague term of 'generally strong' comes from.
@@TheoneandonlyTB135 No, they are not the same thing. Being generally strong doesn't require a weight class. It doesn't require drug testing, it also doesn't have a timeline I which you must get your lifts to a peak. Starting strength is what is on the tin: it's good for getting people started and being strong. Is it good for competitive powerlifters? Of course not. Adding 5lbs per workout eventually doesn't work. Is it good for the general public? Yeah, most people don't have the goals to deadlift 600lbs.
@Alex I think there are important differences between training for general strength and training for powerlifting. Like if somebody wants to bench to get stronger, they are going to take a moderate width grip and have a modest arch. If someone is benching for a powerlifting total they'll do the crazy arch, that weird wrist cock, crazy wide grip, etc... Which is fine, it's all within the rules, but you wouldn't do that if your goal was strength.
I’d say instead Starting Strength is in geared towards making people who are interested in getting stronger, stronger. It’s the narrow casting idea, and Rip in particular is most interested in making the weakest and most in need of strength gains among us strong enough to get by. But I totally get why you would phase it more simply and more succinctly
I got back into doing squats because I watched this Rip guy explain how to do a squat, and finally got it. I stopped doing squats in the first place because of the 5 billion opinions and weird thoughts about how to do them
I like Matt Wenning and Mark. I feel like if they sat down and talked they would find they agreed on a lot. Matt specializes powerlifters, athletes, and special forces. And Mark specializes in strength training with just your average day Joe. Not that his principles can’t be applied to athletes because they can. But they have different clientele in mind.
Rip is the Dave Ramsey of strength training. Neither is trying to give advice to advanced people that don't need it but to the common person that can benefit from fundamental best practices.
I’ve noticed he’s rather chunky. If you look at chase and rusty, they both are well built and of a healthy body fat percentage, but nick is unnecessarily large surely. Not to hate on him, he’s stronger than ill ever be probably but it can’t be healthy surely
Yes he can. He’s squatted 800 raw or something like that lulz. He’s also benched over 600 LBs raw LuLz!!! He’s deadlifting over 800 too LOLOLOL. JUST IMAGINE!!!
“A man with experience is not at the mercy of a man with an opinion” -> why everyone who’s actually done the program follows the “dogma”. Went from pathetic numbers to 545 squat, 352 bench, 615 deadlift in a little over a year. Squat and bench were in USAPL meet and deadlift right after the meet (3rd attempt at 578 was a joke in meet).
@@Niko.. Not according to the SS people. They give lip service "oh it's a beginner program" - and they extrapolate the stupid fundamentals of it to people who have been lifting more than 2 months and even years lol.
Whatever Matt said, I don't think it sounds much different than what Rip was saying about himself. The name on the cover is STARTING Strength. Rip's specialty is rank amateurs. Conjugate stuff is overwhelming if you're coming into it not even knowing how to hold a barbell. That being said, although Rip's most common trainees and favorite trainees in real life are elderly, I'm willing to bet the largest contingency of his consumers are guys in their 20s and 30s. And they want to be as strong as possible. So it would behoove them to see how the strongest men on the planet train.
You guys...true story, when I was looking for a SSC here in Ohio after just having read the blue book and ending my LP I almost went to Matt Wenning's gym for barbell training bc I couldn't find a SSC in Columbus. Luckily someone on the forums pointed me in the right direction to my current, excellent SSC who is a short drive from here....Dodged a bullet there for sure!!!!
So according to rip they’re like 80 elite power lifters in the world. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt…but does anyone know? And do they all squat like the way he teaches?
It depends. A lot of variables come into play. If your talking multi ply then no they do not squat the way he teaches. If your talking raw I would say the vast majority don’t either. Although I have seen some raw lifters squat that way in meets. That is if you mean the starting strength squat exactly. Most powerlifters do have things in common with the starting strength squat though. For instance the majority of them do squat with there hips and they also squat low bar. Now Olympic lifters squat totally different from the way rip teaches. The head down while squatting is something a lot of people disagree with. Truth be told if you squat exactly the way rip teaches you will be fine
@@CrashMetaReligion1996 ok good stuff I’m squat rips way cuz ik my place and Ik I can’t come up w something better. It’s not concern w me being fine, it’s just his dogmatic approach that his is the best way no questions asked
@@markdeartola1154 Yea you just have to look past some of that stuff. He is very intelligent and knows his stuff but he isn’t in right about everything. Because nobody is. Even Jim Wender who was a multi ply power lifter for years and trained at west side and disagrees with Rip on a lot has said that in his opinion nobody can teach the squat better then rip. My advice is that if you are doing the squat the way he says correctly to not worry about changing it and just keep hammering at it
I think front squats should be added to the program. After 7 months doing SS, now in softball season I'm pleased not to have torn any muscles except a Quad at the top of my left leg. Last year I was tearing calfs and quads constantly.
Rip has explained this a couple of times, the front squat is not really useful for anyone who isn't a olympic lifter, since these are the guys who actually front squat in competitions. For everyone else, the front squat is just a version of the squat that doesn't involve the hamstring, so it's not really useful towards the goal of getting stronger, isn't it? You could use it as a light-day squat movement, but it would be just as useful to simply back squat with 60-80% of your 5RM.
@@RafaelCDet that's my point my hamstrings are strong my quads, front of the leg are not. Maybe deadlifts are supposed to help that but maybe I'm not pulling enough. One set of 5 once a week isn't doing it.(Systemic Integrity)
@@jamesianv well then add them, but you aren't doing SS anymore, that's already Intermediate programming and I recommend you read Practical Programming for Strength Training for a better understanding of how to adapt the program for your individual needs as an athlete
@@RafaelCDet All squats involve the hamstrings and no squat version involves hamstrings to the extent needed to get them stronger. All squats are poor hamstring developers. Yes, I know what Rippetoe has said and written about this topic and he relies mainly on broscience. Deadlifts are for hamstrings.
@@MikeXCSkier or good mornings, but I’m not sure if I 100% agree with this. You’re right, it’s not engaged to the extent of a deadlift because of the lack of knee flexion. Mechanically, there is more of a hinge in the lb hip dominant squat, which is what engages the hams. Also, the carryover from squat to deadlift is great. In the past, I’d pr on squat with no deadlifting, and then go back to deadlifting and pr on that within a few weeks. You can’t see it’s a poor ham exercise, but no main lift really is, including deadlift
SS is kind of like premium duct tape. It has the most number of uses across the most applications for the most people. Ah, but the green frog tape is the best for trimming paint. Metallic tape with the red lines is the best for HVAC. Scotch electric tape is the best for electrical installations. Et ceteta, et cetera.
I've never heard Mark get this flustered. His voice really got up there and that's how you know he means business. He's not sounding angry, just intense. Like a big old pink lobster boiling in a pot!
Rip's voice hits a new octave
I agree with Rip, health and quality of life is more useful for the average person. Powerlifting is fun but not helpful.
The powerlifting lifts are the most helpful. The actual sport of lifting heaviest singles is optional.
Well, how do you justify Rip advocating a belly then? I like SS and I've for sure learnt a lot and benefited greatly from their content, but let's not be dogmatic. Waist circumference and visceral fat might be the two best indicators for disease.
@Charles because some people enjoy it....your asking an odd question.
@Charles haha are you kidding me?! Powerlifting is UNBELIEVABLY FUN to me!!! You ever stepped inside of a gym where you are the strongest guy in? Whether in a commercial gym or in a powerlifting gym, whatever, it feels good. And boy, does it kill anxiety!!! When you get strong, if ever, at powerlifting, you'll know what it feels like...
Some people need the motivation of competing in order to stick with it. Just as muscle mass comes as a side benefit to loading movement patterns, health and quality of life can be side benefits of working to compete in powerlifting.
You know he was keyed up when he went high pitched on his reply.
He’s a squeaky pink boy
Rip is a national treasure.
International Treasure, really.
@@farhanhussain_ Agreed.
International❤
I like that " I care more about the elite lifters grandmother 👵" 🤣
To add to this: if yall aren't familiar with Matt Weinings recent comment of the young person who just resently passed away while squatting, Mat Weining just said: he should have been using "the matt weining" belt squat to prevent his death.
Ask Stan Efferding how much the SS model squat helped his knees
How much?
Tell me how much it helped if you already know
@@loganross1861 It has helped him tremendously, he mentions it in a video where he helps Jujimufu with his squat
I got away from the vertical form of squat and started to go with SSC. Knees are better and back is stronger pain free
Same here
@No i do low bar and i cant find jeans
@No yea all our bodies are different, hence why there is no standard squat form.
I was finally able to get the bar into the low bar squat position after a about a year(68 year old shoulders). I can use my hips more, squat more weight and have better balance. Not wasting energy trying to balance.
Respect. As a high bar squatter who is also a personal trainer, I often find myself teaching my clients low bar because it's easier for them right off the bat than high bar. It's about finding what works for an individual
Rip wants to make the general population stronger. That seems to be their main goal. Not to make the already strong into elite.
I don't know why that's so hard for people to understand.
If you want to become an elite powerlifter then Marty Gallagher would be a much better choice than Starting Strength.
I never understand this argument. Aside from the press, 'making people generally strong' is the same thing as powerlifting, because the squat, bench, and dead are to be progressed to build strength. Ripp just doesn't want to be compared to actually successful coaches like Sheiko, Wendler, or Nuckols.
That's where the vague term of 'generally strong' comes from.
@@TheoneandonlyTB135 No, they are not the same thing. Being generally strong doesn't require a weight class. It doesn't require drug testing, it also doesn't have a timeline I which you must get your lifts to a peak.
Starting strength is what is on the tin: it's good for getting people started and being strong. Is it good for competitive powerlifters? Of course not. Adding 5lbs per workout eventually doesn't work. Is it good for the general public? Yeah, most people don't have the goals to deadlift 600lbs.
@Alex I think there are important differences between training for general strength and training for powerlifting. Like if somebody wants to bench to get stronger, they are going to take a moderate width grip and have a modest arch. If someone is benching for a powerlifting total they'll do the crazy arch, that weird wrist cock, crazy wide grip, etc... Which is fine, it's all within the rules, but you wouldn't do that if your goal was strength.
I’d say instead Starting Strength is in geared towards making people who are interested in getting stronger, stronger. It’s the narrow casting idea, and Rip in particular is most interested in making the weakest and most in need of strength gains among us strong enough to get by.
But I totally get why you would phase it more simply and more succinctly
Massive respect to that man.
SS healed my back. My back was fucked up too. I don't think any other therapy would have worked.
I got back into doing squats because I watched this Rip guy explain how to do a squat, and finally got it.
I stopped doing squats in the first place because of the 5 billion opinions and weird thoughts about how to do them
I like Matt Wenning and Mark. I feel like if they sat down and talked they would find they agreed on a lot. Matt specializes powerlifters, athletes, and special forces. And Mark specializes in strength training with just your average day Joe. Not that his principles can’t be applied to athletes because they can. But they have different clientele in mind.
I agree
You do know Matt wenning also trains fire departments and military personnel right?
@@WuKong_OG3 yes
Rip is the Dave Ramsey of strength training. Neither is trying to give advice to advanced people that don't need it but to the common person that can benefit from fundamental best practices.
Dave Ramsey is a boomer con dope.
This has really expanded my view and definition of strength
Never heard Rip’s gravely Texan drawl hit that soprano octave before 😂
Fair and square opinion or answer! Very entertaining to listen to too.
Is rip regrowing his hair? must be watching his MPMD
@Darren Vest algo gold right there
Rips way is the best. Btw a woman in the Olympics used the low bar squat method. It was obvious to see and was refreshing.
i want to buy some ss shirt but cant find a way to get one in canada
I have a serious question, does Nick actually lift weights?
I’ve noticed he’s rather chunky. If you look at chase and rusty, they both are well built and of a healthy body fat percentage, but nick is unnecessarily large surely. Not to hate on him, he’s stronger than ill ever be probably but it can’t be healthy surely
@@joebloggs6922 Healthy != low body fat
@@revoltingpeasant9979Depends what you class as low. I would class 12-15 as low. Any lower than that is unhealthy, 15-20 is ideal.
Great content 👌
If it looks stupid but it works effectively, then it isn't stupid.
Can Matt Wenning get off the pot without using his hands is the real question?
Yes he can. He’s squatted 800 raw or something like that lulz. He’s also benched over 600 LBs raw LuLz!!! He’s deadlifting over 800 too LOLOLOL.
JUST IMAGINE!!!
@@JohnSmith-cz3us IDK man, I'm imagining if he doesn't have the hip drive, he may be hands-on-knees, hell he may have to get up to wipe.
there should be a double thumbs up button for videos like this
Lord they made RIP talk in his high voice. Lol
i downloaded the starting strength book. very interesting.
Did someone someone pump helium into the room before Rip answered this question?
I love Rippetoe
Louie Simmons said hips are what squats as well. Different philosophies coming to the same conclusions.
Wenning who trained under Louie Simmons says that too. The major difference is application. Mark emphasizes ALOT of hip drive
Great guy
Closed my eyes and I thought Danny Brown was insulting Westside
“Stay in your lane because I stay in mine” -Mark Ripitoe 2021
Sorry sir,
Rippetoe
“A man with experience is not at the mercy of a man with an opinion” -> why everyone who’s actually done the program follows the “dogma”. Went from pathetic numbers to 545 squat, 352 bench, 615 deadlift in a little over a year. Squat and bench were in USAPL meet and deadlift right after the meet (3rd attempt at 578 was a joke in meet).
Almost every person who runs SS does not have good results after. All of the before and afters are on the Internet.
@@Niko.. Not according to the SS people. They give lip service "oh it's a beginner program" - and they extrapolate the stupid fundamentals of it to people who have been lifting more than 2 months and even years lol.
Whatever Matt said, I don't think it sounds much different than what Rip was saying about himself. The name on the cover is STARTING Strength. Rip's specialty is rank amateurs. Conjugate stuff is overwhelming if you're coming into it not even knowing how to hold a barbell. That being said, although Rip's most common trainees and favorite trainees in real life are elderly, I'm willing to bet the largest contingency of his consumers are guys in their 20s and 30s. And they want to be as strong as possible. So it would behoove them to see how the strongest men on the planet train.
You guys...true story, when I was looking for a SSC here in Ohio after just having read the blue book and ending my LP I almost went to Matt Wenning's gym for barbell training bc I couldn't find a SSC in Columbus. Luckily someone on the forums pointed me in the right direction to my current, excellent SSC who is a short drive from here....Dodged a bullet there for sure!!!!
I have heard that Mark and Bill Starr were the key persons who formally founded the sport of powerlifting. Is it correct?
No
Rip at 0:2:48. HIs voice has some dynamic range. More range of motion than he has in his squat!!!! NOT a comment from a hater!
It's not clear :(
So according to rip they’re like 80 elite power lifters in the world. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt…but does anyone know? And do they all squat like the way he teaches?
It depends. A lot of variables come into play. If your talking multi ply then no they do not squat the way he teaches. If your talking raw I would say the vast majority don’t either. Although I have seen some raw lifters squat that way in meets. That is if you mean the starting strength squat exactly. Most powerlifters do have things in common with the starting strength squat though. For instance the majority of them do squat with there hips and they also squat low bar. Now Olympic lifters squat totally different from the way rip teaches. The head down while squatting is something a lot of people disagree with. Truth be told if you squat exactly the way rip teaches you will be fine
@@CrashMetaReligion1996 ok good stuff
I’m squat rips way cuz ik my place and Ik I can’t come up w something better. It’s not concern w me being fine, it’s just his dogmatic approach that his is the best way no questions asked
@@markdeartola1154 Yea you just have to look past some of that stuff. He is very intelligent and knows his stuff but he isn’t in right about everything. Because nobody is. Even Jim Wender who was a multi ply power lifter for years and trained at west side and disagrees with Rip on a lot has said that in his opinion nobody can teach the squat better then rip. My advice is that if you are doing the squat the way he says correctly to not worry about changing it and just keep hammering at it
@@CrashMetaReligion1996 ya I’ve been following him for a couple years, I don’t deny his intelligence or legitimacy. Just his dogmatic approach is all
I think front squats should be added to the program. After 7 months doing SS, now in softball season I'm pleased not to have torn any muscles except a Quad at the top of my left leg. Last year I was tearing calfs and quads constantly.
Rip has explained this a couple of times, the front squat is not really useful for anyone who isn't a olympic lifter, since these are the guys who actually front squat in competitions.
For everyone else, the front squat is just a version of the squat that doesn't involve the hamstring, so it's not really useful towards the goal of getting stronger, isn't it? You could use it as a light-day squat movement, but it would be just as useful to simply back squat with 60-80% of your 5RM.
@@RafaelCDet that's my point my hamstrings are strong my quads, front of the leg are not. Maybe deadlifts are supposed to help that but maybe I'm not pulling enough. One set of 5 once a week isn't doing it.(Systemic Integrity)
@@jamesianv well then add them, but you aren't doing SS anymore, that's already Intermediate programming and I recommend you read Practical Programming for Strength Training for a better understanding of how to adapt the program for your individual needs as an athlete
@@RafaelCDet All squats involve the hamstrings and no squat version involves hamstrings to the extent needed to get them stronger. All squats are poor hamstring developers. Yes, I know what Rippetoe has said and written about this topic and he relies mainly on broscience. Deadlifts are for hamstrings.
@@MikeXCSkier or good mornings, but I’m not sure if I 100% agree with this. You’re right, it’s not engaged to the extent of a deadlift because of the lack of knee flexion.
Mechanically, there is more of a hinge in the lb hip dominant squat, which is what engages the hams.
Also, the carryover from squat to deadlift is great.
In the past, I’d pr on squat with no deadlifting, and then go back to deadlifting and pr on that within a few weeks. You can’t see it’s a poor ham exercise, but no main lift really is, including deadlift
Powerlifters should gain some weight.
Elite Powerlifters are on all kinds of steroids anyway😀
It’s always some young kid who hasn’t destroyed his knees or spine yet, auditioning for Comments From The Haters.
Yeah Matt 'pretty good lifter' Wenning. I'm sure he's laughing his ass off if he sees this.
Dave Tate thinks SSM is just fine. He has no problem with it and he's said so on several occasions.
Dave Tate thinks SSM is just fine. He has no problem with it and he's said so on several occasions.
SS is kind of like premium duct tape. It has the most number of uses across the most applications for the most people.
Ah, but the green frog tape is the best for trimming paint.
Metallic tape with the red lines is the best for HVAC.
Scotch electric tape is the best for electrical installations.
Et ceteta, et cetera.
drahve up
"pretty good lifter"
Sup with the madam voice there
Powerlifting is crap though. If anything SS is too geared to powerlifting.
Gym Bros are very insecure so they like to copy what others are doing without questioning whether its the most effective tool for them.
I disagree. Powerlifting can be great for old people, for insurance salesmen, for the average person.
Powerlifters need to take their singlets off and do a real sport.
They might as well be talking about the best way jump off a f'ing cliff. 🤣 😂
Look up Doug Brignole. Stop the dogma.
For a moment I felt like I’m watching a Greg Doucette video.